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Monday’s Rugby News

Monday’s Rugby News wraps up yesterday’s Bledisloe, club results from around the country and the withdrawal of the Springboks from The Rugby Championship.


Pain

Michael Hooper

Michael Hooper

The Wallabies were smacked back to reality by the All Blacks, who bounced back from last week’s draw with a convincing 27-7 victory.

The ghosts of Eden Park continue to haunt the Wallabies as the Kiwis put the game to rest with three second-half tries.

They scored three times in 11 minutes as Jordie Barrett, Ardie Savea and captain Sam Cane dived over for tries.

Wallabies captain Micahel Hooper was left lambasting a sloppy showing from his side, who would record a 40/20 of their own: 40 missed tackles, 20 turnovers.

“I thought the All Blacks were very good in turnover,” Hooper said after the match.

“They capitalised on our mistakes.

“We pressured really well in the first half. We were down their end and had a lot of possession and probably a lot of territory.

“As New Zealand do they make us pay on turnovers and we weren’t able to scramble and get out of that.”

They looked out of place when centre Matt Toomua was forced from the field after 34 minutes, succumbing to a nagging groin injury.

With the Wallabies needing to sweep the All Blacks for the Australian leg of the Bledisloe Cup/Tri-Nations, Hooper believes that they are still building during the infancy of Dave Rennie’s tenure as coach.

“We threatened a lot in the first half. Those two scores in the second would have been nice,” lamented Hooper.

“We’ll go back home now, get a few days off and regroup. We’re building. A bit of a hit to the confidence there today but we’ll go again.”

Club results

QLD Premier Rugby - Connor Pritchard - Bond Uni v Norths

QLD Premier Rugby – Connor Pritchard – Bond Uni v Norths

It has reached boiling point at club level, with the remaining competitions in the grips of finals fever.

The headline game was in Canberra for the John I Dent Cup where Royals were hoping to go back-to-back against Gungahlin.

They would get out to the perfect start, racing to a 29-7 lead thanks to an inspiring performance by flyhalf Bailey Kuenzie.

Whilst the Matt Giteau-led Eagles would hit back, the Royals would hang on to win 32-22.

Meanwhile, in Tasmania, it was a major upset as Tarooma blanked the previously undefeated Devonport 36-0.

Heading to Adelaide for the semi-finals, Old Collegians booked their place in the final with a demolition 42-17 victory over Burnside to face Brighton.

In the minor semi-final, Woodville dominated Port Adeliade 55-12 to earn themselves a clash against Southern Suburbs.

Across to Sydney for the Shute Shield, Gordon would survive a major scare against Randwick, kicking a late penalty to secure the 15-14 win.

Meanwhile, Eastwood upset Easts 29-20, with Waratahs winger Mark Nawaqanitawase running riot in the wet conditions.

This win would seal the fate of reigning premiers Sydney Uni after they were defeated by Norths 24-22, eliminating the students despite them leading for 74 mins of the match.

Finally in Brisbane, Uni of Queensland would send a major message to the rest of the competition, defeating minor premiers Easts 37-19.

However, they will likely miss Reds forward Angus Blyth for the final after he went down with a medial ligament strain.

In the other semi-final, Bond Uni would continue their incredible run of form as they held off a valiant GPS outfit 32-27.

Four into three

Faf de Klerk collared by Allan Alaalatoa 

Faf de Klerk collared by Allan Alaalatoa 

The Springboks have officially withdrawn from the 2020 Rugby Championship, reverting the competition to a tri-series between Australia, New Zealand and Argentina.

The world champions have played little rugby since the lockdown period, with South Africa still dealing with the effects of the COVID outbreak.

With them out, the six-match Tri-Nations will see each team play each other twice, with matches to be played in Sydney, Brisbane and Newcastle.

“COVID is just a gift that keeps on giving,” SANZAAR CEO Andy Marinos joked in the official statement.

“Naturally, it is extremely disappointing that the Springboks, due to the continued complexities of operating in and around this COVID environment, cannot fully compete in the previously planned six-round Rugby Championship.

“That said this now presents us with a unique opportunity, in this our 25th year, to close off 2020 with a SANZAR Tri Nations Competition.

“SANZAR recognises the challenges and adversity that the national unions have had to face this year due to the pandemic. It is a tribute to the Unions in how they have been able to adapt and, dependent on COVID restrictions, run domestic competitions with the exception of Argentina who has been impacted the hardest through their lockdown.

“These short domestic tournaments, and in Argentina’s case no domestic competition, are not the normal lead into an international window, and while it has been a far from ideal preparation we look forward to an exciting and vibrant Tri-Nations tournament.”

South African Rugby CEO, Jurie Roux, conceded that they were unable to produce an environment that would ensure that their players could adequately deal with the intensity of international rugby.

“SANZAAR and Rugby Australia have bent over backwards to make the tournament happen and it would have been unfair on them and their partners and state government to delay a decision any longer,” he said.

“This is a hugely disappointing outcome for supporters and commercial partners but the on-going impacts of the pandemic in multiple dispensations mean we are unable to deliver a Springbok team without seriously compromising player welfare, apart from other logistical challenges.”

Sloppy tackling

Wallabies Coach Dave Rennie will be making his home in Queensland

Wallabies Coach Dave Rennie will be making his home in Queensland

This was the message reinforced by Wallabies coach Dave Rennie after their disappointing loss to the All Blacks.

The Australians missed a staggering 40 tackles in the contest, double that of last week’s tally.

With the side looking to create history at the spiritual home of NZ rugby, Rennie believes that they gave themselves no chance of winning after their lacklustre effort.

“You just can’t gift the All Blacks that much ball, they’ve got too many athletes that can hurt you,” Rennie said post-game.

“Last week we tackled really well and made minimal mistakes, we always knew that as important against the All Blacks, but today we turned the ball over a lot and then missed too many tackles.

“Our individual tackling was poor and we got put under the heat from it.”

Rennie hinted that there may be more changes ahead of the third Bledisloe test match, despite admitting that he was pleased with their effort across the 80 minutes.

“Selection can sometimes fix that,” Rennie said.

“We found at half time we’d fallen off a lot of tackles and gifted a bit of ball but we were down 10-7, so we were right in it and the time we scored was when we had reasonable continuity so we put them under pressure but I thought they scrambled really well.

“We’ve got to be better. There was a lot of errors today but they were certainly sharper than us.”

Rennie also confirmed why Reds number eight Harry Wilson was mysteriously absent from their final training session, revealing that he spent 36 hours in hospital this week with an “infection.”

This was later cleared up by Ned Hanigan, who suggests that it was a “foot infection” that prevented the youngster from getting a full week on the training paddock.

  • Steve

    Well, that was fun while it lasted. The Wallabies weren’t completely hopeless but it felt a little bit of a return to the bad old days.

    Some random thoughts from a moron:
    – If Rennie was prepared to drop Pete Samu after last week, who the fk is going to be left this week. Koroibete and Paisami had shockers in contact and defence.
    – 75% tackling isn’t going to win you a suburban trophy, never mind a game against the ABs.
    – We completely lost our attacking threat when Toomua exited stage left, but missed just as many tackles in the first half as the second.
    – What was the point of putting Hodge on the bench with Petaia if Petaia is coming on when the 12 goes down? Was Hodge just the second-tier substitute for the same positions?

    I would be dropping Irae Simone straight into 12 if Toomua is out next game, and keep Noah well out of it.

    • IIPA

      Not too moronic Steve.

      I think Hodge is there first wing and FB. Petaia wasted anywhere wider than 13. Having JOC and Toomua start means you don’t need to cover fly half.

      Yep. Not completely hopeless just too many missed tackles going for big hits rather than grassing the player. And outplayed well and truly between 40-60min mark.

      They had a very good B1 but for me Daugunu and MK are too similar and lack nuance. Need Wright or Ramm to get a go and will create more attack options such as using Wright at first receiver or in off the blind or using Ramm as an aerial threat.

      • Steve

        Maybe I oversimplify into ‘inner backs’ and ‘outer backs’ subs IIPA – I know JP was a winger for the Reds so had him as a 13/14/11 sub in my head. As it happened it forced Petaia and Paisami into the centres and neither of them are familiar with 12 as far as I’m aware (though I have been wrong once before)

        • Brumby Runner

          I’d be really surprised if you are wrong in this instance Steve. Certainly not at Super or international level. Was a poor selection by Rennie not to have the 12 spot covered on the bench.

      • Huw Tindall

        Agree re the wingers – too similar but Wright and Ramm probably a bit green still, long term I like their skill sets though for the second 15 style full back.

        Speaking of full backs am I the only one who is a bit disappointed in Banks? Has been fine under the high ball and good boot for touch but can’t recall him beating a man with pace, breaking a tackle, or coming into the line and creating a play. Compared to Beauden Barrett he hasn’t been adding a ton of value. Sure Barrett is world class and the benchmark but all the same we need more out of our 15. I’d be looking for DHP if fit. Maddocks, like Wright and Ramm a bit green.

        • Geoffro

          I’d play Petaia at FB , bring in Simone at 12,bring Samu back for Ned and get them to hit the tacklebags.Just my two cents worth

        • Huw Tindall

          Petaia has talent to play back positions in time but want someone who has played 15 all year.

          Simone only other 12 in the squad so assuming Toomua is out for Bled 3 then put him in. Personally I’d have Stewart as he is a hard as iron defender and plays test match style 12.

          I wouldn’t be fussed leaving Ned in. He wasn’t the reason we lost and he actually did some great work. He’s way better than previous seasons.

          Honestly I don’t know what happened with the D. Like the ABs were covered in pig fat or something. Guys just slipping off. Whatever the case that is priority one. We can score points OK but tests are built around set piece and defense.

        • Geoffro

          Petaia has played at FB before.He’d be a great counterattacking threat.Ned was as bad as he was good in parts,don’t need a 50/50.I’m just wild about Harry though.For him to play as he did after his lead in to the game..

        • MichaelA

          “just wild about harry”. :o)

        • Geoffro
        • Mica

          I haven’t been a fan in the past and I think Samu was probably hardly done by, but Ned was better than 50:50 in B2

        • Reds Revival

          How good was Harry’s hit on BB. Perfectly timed, and the slo mo replay just showed the shockwave go through his body. Like being hit by a steam train.

        • Brumby Runner

          Wilson was the only backrower to play with physicality. Having both Hooper and Hanigan together weakens our work at the breakdown. I would replace both with Samu and Wright.

        • Geoffro

          Harry Wilson is the real deal.I reckon Fraser McReight can be too.We’ve nothing to lose really

        • Mike D

          Didn’t Ned knock out Moody? I know there’s some context to it, but still, that’s pretty darn physical.

        • Greg

          I think KRL nails the defence issue…. they were just too fast, too often.

          I thought our breakdown work was pretty good so it comes down to good organisation and quick hands from Smith

        • formerflanker

          “Guys just slipping off”
          Not just from head on tackles.
          Tackles from the side, from behind – everything.
          I’m left feeling very perplexed.

        • MichaelA

          “what happened with the D”

          Because our defence was disrupted. its not just individual skils but also co-ordination with the rest of the line that gives time to make decisive tackles. That said, we need to learn to adjust, quickly.

        • Brumby Runner

          Four changes to the team would do nothing for our systems and coordination. Especially from a team that had performed above expectations. Very disruptive. Rennie needs to own it and learn from it. Early days so I expect he will.

        • Steve

          I don’t disagree Huw, although he had a similar pattern of lacking confidence at the start of the Super season also and grew into it.

          OTOH he caught all his high balls and put his kicks out which about puts him as the top performing back after that game…

        • Huw Tindall

          That’s it hey. Banks didn’t do anything wrong and performed well in key roles so relative to his team mates did OK. Can we find someone better for Bled 3? Maybe but I guess it’s not the biggest headache for Rennie et al right now.

        • onlinesideline

          Being mistake free at FB is doing exactly what he should be doing at test level. I think he was a bit tentative in isolating himself on his run backs knowing the AB counter is so good. I say persevere with the guy. His decision to have a crack cant be in isolation, it has to be in sync with how the whole team is connecting on the day and may be he sensed we werent doing that and were on the back foot.

        • Mike D

          Yep. Banks I think has some more potential gain in him yet, and some of that might come with knowing the coach backs you to have a crack.

        • mortlucky

          I thought he spilt one…

        • IIPA

          Feel a bit the same re Banks. In fact all season I think he’s struggled to beat players running the ball back and seems to mainly run diagonally when the ball is moved wide. He’s been safe under the high ball and in B1 he kicked really well for the sidelines ( less so in B2 ). But his main attacking strength is his angled line running back off inside balls from 9 or 10 and we haven’t seen that really employed so far.

          Not sure he deserves to be dropped however. I’d argue Jock Campbell was the more deserving original selection but he’s not in the squad.

        • Timbo

          The only time Banks beat players was when he was covered in Vaseline

        • Hoss

          Good point re Bastards mate – he was passive all round – even his kick for touch were Spanners-like in distance and effectiveness, none of them got us deep into the 22 to go on the offensive.

        • Brumby Runner

          Not sure that any of them are too green. Daugunu only has the two tests he’s played this Bledisloe so not much difference there and Maddocks has started previously for the Wallabies, just out of position.

        • @onlinesideline:disqus really summed it up for me – at FB I look for mistake free defence first. He essentially provided that.

          The flash attacking stuff might be more exciting, but it comes with confidence, team structure and experience. With a team that’s basically all new once you get to numbers higher than 13, that’s not going to be there, so I’m happy to give him a bit of time to establish himself and grow into it.

          While it was far from the only change, look how different the AB’s were this week with a FB who didn’t drop a ball compared to last week with a FB who couldn’t buy a catch. That ability to never trot back for a scrum because your FB has knocked on, or trot right back under the sticks because he missed a ball and their sniping winger swooped and caught a try – huge.

        • Huw Tindall

          I’m onboard with @onlinesideline:disqus and you Eloise. Question is do you think DHP offers that safety plus a bit more in attack? He does have the handy nack of beating the first man and comes in as an extra play maker more often than Banks does. Guess this isn’t Rennie’s biggest concern but some thought nonetheless. For the ABs it was BB at 15 as much as anything else that helped them turn around the result. DMac had a mare last week and it showed in the result.

        • Last year’s DHP, probably. This year, I need a hand-wobble emoji… Honestly, I felt his position for the Rebels was in a jersey number higher than 15. Coming off the bench to cover any of a variety of positions, great. Starting, not so much.

          I know he was injured, and maybe that’s all recovered and he’s back to last year’s form, but I have no way to tell. So on what I saw in SRAU, I’m preferring Banks still.

        • Huw Tindall

          Yeah not a clear first choice 15 given the injuries this year. What do you think of Jock Campbell? Was one of the ones unlucky to mis out on the 44 man squad. Campbell had some great stats on defenders beaten etc. Real slippery customer. Maddocks still learning the ropes for mine. Remember he came to rugby late in his teens so still relatively few years under the belt. Of all of them perhaps the most talent/potential but way off realising it yet.

        • In general I like Maddocks. However, in my opinion, when he has a poor start to a game, he tends to go on to have a poor game. Now, some players just have a poor day at the office, like Koroibete on Sunday. But in Maddocks’ case, it seems more like his game is built almost entirely on his confidence, and if that slips early, he suffers for the rest of the game. Give him another year or two at SR level and hopefully he’ll learn how to forget his mistakes and move on and have a good game despite that, but right now… he needs extra support on the mental side of his game for me. If he gets there, I think he could have a long career in a Wallabies jersey though.

        • Mike D

          Ouch. Sounds like QC.

        • Um, maybe?

          But Quade had a long history of playing rugby… even when he first appeared at SR level, he’d played since he was a young child. Maddocks has been playing for, relatively speaking, a handful of years. I think he can unlearn the habit, learn to forget his mistake and move on with his game.

          And I might be being harsh. He might just have had a couple of bad days at the office but, to me, it looked more like a blow to his confidence and his game started to get worse. It’s hard to tell from watching sometimes though.

      • PJ

        Korobiete was horrid, he is 100% rocks or diamonds

  • Custardtaht

    Well, what a heart burn inducing performance, Rennie still has a long way to go to cure it.

    The Wallabies are clearly into the weather, as they love to follow a high with a low. After last week’s ridge, we get a trough this week and the All Black pigs feasted.

    Piss poor execution, passing to flat footed players, passing behind the man, pushing passes, stupid flick passes, the Wallabies lacked patience and seemed to be gun shy of contact.

    They certainly wanted no part of defence, what a schmozzle. Put your body behind your shoulder and just fucking hit them.

    Summary of the match. It was like there was 15 Kurtley Beales on the field.

    • idiot savant

      I see what you did there

  • Timbo

    Well what can you say.

    nothing really. I guess when no one really wants to go to Auckland, getting wallabies jerseys in the stands isn’t that easy.

    Thought Gardiner and his mates had an average game.The darkness were offside constantly, Jordie Barrett doesn’t have arms in most tackles and it’s convenient for me to blame others for our terrible tackling performance so i don’t have to dwell on the memories of watching that game.

    • onlinesideline

      I actually thought the ref had a really good overall game. One or two maybe, but clear communication, calm, didnt get overwhelmed by occassion, wasnt too girly on the hits, was clear at scrum time, wasnt the center of the match like a french ref or a saffa ref. I noticed we were offside too quite a lot, on some occassions.

      • KwAussie Rugby Lover

        I agree. I was a bit worried prior to the game as I thought Gus had had a very average year so far but I thought he was excellent on Sunday

        • Greg

          I thought there was a lot of black off feet at rucks. Maybe gold as well…

          That aside, no language warnings from my wife says – good game.

        • Dally M

          The rucks have been a shit show across both sides of the ditch post-COVID. There was the early crackdown of making sure players went through the gate, stayed on their feet and supported their body weight when pilfering.

          That has all gone out the window and it’s a bit of a free for all. It went both ways and Angus wasn’t too interested in pulling any of it up. We just failed to adapt as fast a NZ did.

        • Yowie

          The difference in the duration of “advantage” was pretty stark between the two games.

          From my amateur armchair, last week advantage seemed far too long, this week seemed to be a tiny bit too short, and sometimes with no advantage actually accrued (eg back 15m and clinging to possession via skin of teeth).

          That note aside, good game by the officials on Sunday.

      • Timbo

        A bad ref can do those things too. Almost like it was a state of origin where you can practically decapitate someone in a tackle and the ref won’t blow it.
        Please don’t bring reality into this.

    • UTG

      Yeah, strategy from Gardner was obviously ‘can’t make a controversial call if you don’t make any calls at all.’ You could tell it was going to go that way 5 minutes in when we were on their goal line and Savea makes a tackle from an offside position, never enters through the gate and is subsequently awarded a penalty.

      • Timbo

        and the two Kiwi touchies didn’t see it. hardly surprising

      • Greg

        Sure but he also let us go with diving over the ball where it was so inaccurate we actually missed the ruck and the opposition players. Pointless to penalise but some refs do.

        I thought the NZ forwards were down on fitness/nourishment as they kept falling over at the breakdown. Hopefully a better diet for next week.

  • onlinesideline

    First off – Eden park, day game, suuny day, full house, some tension between the 2 sides. It was an epic scene, a ground full of history. Day games forver.

    Secondly – New Zealanders are just really good union players. Its in their blood. The fronted up, played an honest game of footy, I dont begrudge this team and when they bring it like they did on Sunday, its better for us and the code.

    Thirdly – yeah it was indeed a case of rocks and diamonds for us. The difference is the rock are definitely not of the nature that they were in previous years and the diamonds were examples of exactly the knd of footy we should be aiming at all game.

    One noticeable feature of our game that seems to have dissappeared is the standing flat of our forwards that get sent bullet hospital passes from the ruck only to be absolutely T-BONED into submission. We are standing depper, we dont seem to be bumchin up and when under pressure we at times have had to regroup but we dont get smashed and counter rucked. That drove me NUTS over the years,

    Turning points were obvious. 2Cows, Koribete not putting ball down properly (unforgiveable, c’mon man), BPA penalty ( we shoudl have rumbled over )

    The rest is all obvious. Tackles and turnovers split ball and Paisimi torpedo attempts near our own line.

    The match was over in 10 mins – 41 min to 52 min. SO OFTEN the case in these matches.

    Really, is this team any better, any worse than previous years in terms of cattle / skills ? Well NOT REALLY. We have always had good players. Its just going to get down to OzMoses and whether he can in fact acheive a level of osmoses. Clearly good coaching makes all the difference, Can we do it. YES. Inspired, YES. We need to play perfect game to beat them. Which is how it should be. We werent good enough.

    • Huw Tindall

      If we get the Koribete and BPA tries it’s suddenly a tight game and the headlines would be completely different. Wallabies can clearly get into try scoring positions but need to sort out the defense and have a better kicking game and probably more conservative attack plan when outside the opposition 22 so we don’t risk turning over ball so much.

      • onlinesideline

        Its called being totally mistake free under pressure. We are just not there. We always seem to never play the complete game. Lets see what Rennie can do. In theory the Wallabies are no different to the kiwis. Its about being taught how to play. We need really good coaching. We have the size and athleticism….although that Caleb Clark – damn ! (what a magical day for him)

        Koribete’s effort over the line was unforgiveable. (turn your shoulder man)
        BPA situation was bad team play.We should convert those situations.

        • UTG

          Nah, in that instance, Mo’unga was just extremely lucky he got absolutely steamrolled and ended up on the ground like an upturned cockroach and Koroibete just happened to land on him. If Richie wasn’t quite so weak in contact, Koroibete probably bores over.

        • onlinesideline

          but thats precisely the problem with just boreing over vanilla style. Someone just needs to mirror you underneath and you can fluff it. At least use you hips to twist your trunk / shoulders as you put the ball down, so as to weave out your own plane of touchdown.

        • UTG

          I’m not blaming our player for running over the top of another one. Mo’unga did nothing to ‘mirror him’, he’s lying on his back stunned at the hit and just happens to be in the way when Koroibete falls over the line. It was an extreme bit of good fortune for NZ that came about because of Mo’unga’s weakness in contact. Watch later in the half when he gets completely clowned by Petaia and is left lying on his back again.

        • onlinesideline

          well actually Mo’unga wasnt really in the way enough to him solely prevent a try. If it was just Koribete and Mo’unga he would have scored. But another kiwi came from the side and rolled Koribete at last moment. What Koribete did was lower his head down and try and burrow over which to me renders your ability to twist your upper body / stretch your upper body and make a reach for the corner. after the first contact. The other way is to try and bump off the defender with your legs, freeing up your upper body do stretch out. Leaugies do it all the time.

        • UTG

          ALB makes a tackle which wouldn’t have been enough if Koroibete didn’t happen to fall right on Mo’unga.

          Koroibete got his body positioning into contact right, he overpowered the defender and they just happened to end land in a position that saved a try. You don’t go into contact high 3m out from the line, you’ll just be coralled into touch.

        • onlinesideline

          yeah but he got rolled because the front on hit he choose to do slowed him down so much it gave time for someone else to come from side and turn him. He had no ability to reach and put ball down with left mit because instead of going for the fend and bump off with his thighs he tucked his head and went for the straight burrow. A monster winger would have done it differently. He is just limited in my book.

        • Patrick

          Times have definitely changed, I’m with UTG on this one. I have seen wingers bomb tries with lack of technique (still traumatised from seeing Teddy Thomas plant his _inside_ foot before diving for the line and get logically shoved into touch by a halfback) but this was just bad luck as much as anything.

    • KwAussie Rugby Lover

      I don’t think the issue has ever been the players, I think it was always more the selection and coaching and now with Rennie and his team I think there is going to be ongoing improvements, a little bit at a time but definitely forward movement.

      I thought Toomua was a huge turning point as when he left the organisation of the defence just fell over but for me it was when NZ got fast ball and kept the pressure on that’s when the defence struggled. NZ doesn’t wait until the right player is outride and they have the team lined up, the ball just gets thrown out to whoever is there running onto the pass and the momentum just keeps going. Made it very hard for the defence to get set and I think that led to a lot of the tackle issues.

      • onlinesideline

        True Coles loves playing 13 and the truth is, he’s good out there. Yep its all about speed. We were slower than last week and you guys were faster. There be the difference.

  • KwAussie Rugby Lover

    Thanks Nathan, Can’t have been much fun to write mate but a good summary. I actually thought both Hooper and Rennie spoke well after the game and were pretty open about things. I don’t think there’s much of a tweak needed and for me losing Toomua was key as he seemed to be organising the backline defence and attack. I was hoping Hodge would do the same when he finally got on but I didn’t see that happening and neither Paisami or Petaia seem to be the people to do that. I thought the biggest issue for the Wallabies was the speed that NZ played at. When the players were moving forward Smith would just rocket the ball out to whoever was there, no waiting for the right person as per some plan, just send it out and the receiver took it in and then in the tackle reset and it came out again. I thought the defence just struggled with that momentum and that’s where players started struggling to make the tackles.

    • Anonymous bloke

      Simone is a great communicator and organiser for Brumbies. Think he’s the best replacement for To’omua in that respect.

      • idiot savant

        Yeah I think its time to blood him even if JOC starts at 12 with Noah at 10, he can come off the bench.

    • idiot savant

      Yeah youre right about Toomua. He will really be missed. He is an on field leader, constantly looking up and ordering players where to run. JOC called him his eyes and ears and clearly depended on him. After he left Paisami and Petaia were all over the place.

      Youre also right about the speed of ball. Its always been the kiwis strength. They just surge forward in numbers, and work so bloody hard, to run and support and then run back to position. Its so hard to stop. Add in a couple of freak line breakers like BB and Caleb and bang its goodnight nurse.

      • KwAussie Rugby Lover

        And it seems they can all catch and pass really well so the ball is moving out of the contact area. Still some work in that area and I thought Frizell was especially poor there but generally it’s a strength.

    • Adrian

      You are 100% right re Smith’s role KARL. My MOM actually

  • Nutta

    Morning Cobbers

    Firstly, can we now finally put to bed fkn loud-mouth angsters like Campo and Kearns? The “hoodoo is broken”, “they are arrogant” and the someone-please-make-me-relevant-again narcissistic self-promoters? Great footballers, but seriously guys STFU. The great Aussie Achilles Heel is to climb on top of whatever 30second pop-train is speeding past (destined to smash at the first bend) and fueled by an equally vapid mob of wannabe journos who have inches to make and don’t care how they make it, shoot off at the mouth with a loud-hailer in the most cringe-worthy Karma caches of shit. And it always come back in our faces. Christ on a stick learn, to shut your fkn mouths until there is actually something to seriously talk about and even then take a breath, halve your comment and remember you have 2 fkn ears and 1 mouth so listen twice as much as you speak (not the other way around).

    Secondly, congratulations to the AiB who on the back of a truckload of missed tackles and aimless kicking did what they should have done – and that was put at least 3 tries on us. We put/allowed them into situations to let rip with power runners like Caleb and Savea and so – bugger me – they did. Congratulations for walking through doors we held open.

    Thirdly, 4 blown tries and 40 missed tackles was the story of the game. Somebody else made the point you can’t do that in lower divisions subbies and hope to win let alone against the AiB.

    All that said, we are still playing better than I’ve seen in years. Genuine options and creativity at play. Keep going Rennie.

    And I’ll say it now – well done to Flanders. Two lineout penalties in a row and some poor body-height against a shorter opponent when fatigued, but some great collisions, some good steals and a few very sound carries. But I’m sorry mate, I still think Samu is better value.

    Sione into 12 if 2Cows is genuinely out and surely that was the last time we see Simmons as if he is there for defensive lineouts and scrummage then he isn’t there any more based on that last 15min.

    • KwAussie Rugby Lover

      Isn’t it just sad the way they try to live on past glories, not that either of them did that much against NZ consistently anyway, and then just turn out to be an embarrassment for Australia. I’m not sure that after both of them being like this for the last 10 years or so that it actually has any impact at all on the ABs but it certainly doesn’t help the wallabies.

      I’m with you. whie there are obviously areas that need to improve the Wallabies are playing better and you feel confident that these areas will improve now, whereas before you knew they never would.

      • Jerry

        As an AB fan, that RWC semi final gives Campo the right to say whatever shit about NZ he wants.

        • Yowie

          Campo’s shit-talking licence is demonstrably not restricted to the topic of New Zealand.

        • KwAussie Rugby Lover

          nah. It gives him the right to be proud of his performance – once. That’s all

      • MichaelA

        I didn’t see much sign that it affected the Wallabies either. Apart from a few, they are still a very inexperienced team and they seem to get that. As long as they don’t get overawed by their opponents, I don’t have a problem. These ABs are beatable.

        • KwAussie Rugby Lover

          Every teams beatable mate. just takes the right tactics, right players and no mistakes. The Wallabies are getting there

    • Missing Link

      NZ Police still looking for the sniper that shot Toomua in the babymaker

      • Nutta

        Suzie.

    • MichaelA

      “I still think Samu is better value.”

      On the bright side, we are showing some depth in the back row. I don’t think ABs take Samu or Flanders lightly, whichever plays.

      • Rugby Truth

        Except that Aaron Smith went straight flanders to score the 1st AB try

        • MichaelA

          The whole team had defence issues. I can’t thnk of anyone who didn’t.

        • KwAussie Rugby Lover

          Bit harsh. He was running back from the ruck and got in position but bloody hard to stop anyone diving that low from that close

        • Mike D

          Ref Smith has very low body height. I can’t see anyone stopping him from 1 metre out without taking his head off if he’s driving in like that.

        • Nutta

          You’re assuming taking his head off is a problem?

        • Mike D

          Well it IS smith so… maybe not. But in general I’d rather not set that precedent.

          Overall on Hannigan I was actually pretty impressed. Yeah ok he didn’t have the perfect game, now if someone could just point out the Aus player who did.

    • Mica

      I thought Ned put I a pretty good shift. Definitely improved securing attacking ruck ball. Lineout improved with him in the team. Ball carrying has improved. He’s on the right track and still very young. I am optimistic about him for the future and him being in the frame, improving and playing well is good for both depth and competition for spots.

      • Nutta

        I think quite highly of Flanders as an individual. And you’re right, he did put in a good shift. He is a good operator across lineout, defender and carry. And he is generally very willing. And off-field he adds a well-presented, eloquent and clean marketable image. Over time, if he stays healthy, he will likely make a good Lock as well. He may well play 3x world cups before he is finished.

        My issues with the guy over the years aren’t actually his fault. There was a clear over-investment in his selection for quite a while (can’t blame him for getting picked) PLUS he was being used in a totally inappropriate role as a human crowbar before he was physically or emotionally ready for it (again, can’t blame him for getting picked).

        All that said though, I think both Valentini and Swindon are better crowbars (if that’s what is wanted) and both Samu and Dempsey are superior general footballers. Certainly Samu with his background of winning cultures and smart rugby is a better squad pick.

        • onlinesideline

          totally agree on all points.
          Am a Dempsey fan too.
          To not have Samu, Dempsey or Naisarani in the 23 is quite remarkable really. Who would have tipped that going into Bled series ? I cannot workout what Samu did wrong last week. Maybe it was just lineout considerations.

        • Rugby Truth

          dempsey giving wedgies will certainly complement hooper giving squirrel grips

        • KwAussie Rugby Lover

          I thought he had a good game yesterday. Now that he’s away from the Cheika “Just need more Mongrel” bullshit and can concentrate on playing rugby rather than being a dick he’s got potential. Still needs to get his body positioning right in contact but he’s fast and with some decent coaching could develop quite well

        • Geoffro

          I hate putting shit on players and though he did a few good things I dont think he’s international standard.A guy like Matt Philip is miles ahead of Ned in the way he’s improved his game and I reckon Id be happier investing in Valetini than persevering with Hanigan

        • Geoffro

          the only reason Hanigan cops praise on that performance is because the bar was set so low for him by many.Reckon he gets the chop.

        • Reds Revival

          That’s a bit harsh Geoffro. I have never been a Flanders fan, but I have to give him credit that he has improved his game. How many times on this site have we berated those players who made no attempt to improve their skills? At least he has made the effort, and has been rewarded accordingly.
          I don’t think he is a world beater just yet, but if he keeps improving, he will be a very handy addition to the team.

        • Geoffro

          I give hes improved but not to the point where I think hes at international level.If we had a bit of decent tall timber I wouldn’t give him a sniff.As I said elsewhere , I’m hanging to see McReight get a run sooner than later and just get a bit annoyed when I see someone like Ned running around in the six jersey even though I do understand the purpose but geez,I reckon we could use someone like young Fraser mixing it up in the tight stuff

        • KwAussie Rugby Lover

          Harsh but there is some work for him to do yet. I have never rated him but I do agree that was more because of the way he was playing under Cheika. While I would prefer Samu I think he offers more than Simpson

        • Geoffro

          Simpson ?

        • KwAussie Rugby Lover

          Stupid autocorrect Simmons

        • Adrian

          Henceforth known as Bart. Boss take note.
          Probably won’t need to type it though, because surely this is it for Bart

      • Alister Smith

        couple of maul penalties at a critical time but, apart from that, I thought he had a decent game – I think in the right balanced backrow he has a place but I am not sure we have found the right balance yet

    • Keith Butler

      Watched some of the cringeworthy pre match advertising and that’s it we’re screwed and so it proved.

    • We always knew the ABs are really dangerous if you give them the chance to counterattack, last week that was closed down well, this week, it was left wide open. Some of that is Clarke and B. Barrett on whom it’s just hard to make first up hits, albeit for very different reasons, some of that was I think Foster let Mo’unga play more freely, and some of that was the that the Wallabies didn’t play as well.

      But I think with a number of new combinations and young players, there’s a lot of hope for the Wallabies to improve, and there were good signs on Sunday. Yes, the creativity and/or grunt, plus the precision in the last five metres was missing, but they made the line breaks and the opportunities. They can work on converting those since they’re actually making them.

      Not sure I agree on Ned. For me he had a curate’s egg of a game. He certainly had some good parts yes. But how did he let Smith score that first try? And there were several rucks where he stood off and tugged at AB forwards, pulling them off their feet, yes, but sealing off the ball too. It wasn’t smart, it was never going to win a penalty, and it wasn’t like it slowed their forwards down in getting to the next breakdown. There were times he just seemed absent when a shoulder to a ruck to clear out a player was required as well. He needs to become a player who does the good things he does – and he does a lot of good – and cut out of the brain fades and the poor things to keep his place ahead of a number of players who deserve a G&G 6 jersey while he still has that amount of poor play IMO.

    • Huw Tindall

      People were jumping on the bandwagon before it even had the wheels attached to the axles. Shame. I bet Rennie et al were stopping his men getting ahead of themselves but I’m not sure it worked as they played as if they were the ABs, throwing loose passes and so on. What happened to the simple test match game plan from last week – kicking out of our half, putting up contestable kicks, or going for the corners. Even the D was out of whack with too many “shooters” coming out of the line.

      • Nutta

        Yep yep and yep. If you’re going to Blitz then you better drop that bomb. And the lack of kick-chase was just bloody bewildering.

  • mortlucky

    Ah, now I remember what the world without COVID was like.

  • mortlucky

    1. Support: In attack we are still lacking support and getting isolated. Anticipation not good enough.

    2. Contact: Because NZ commit less to the breakdown they will always outnumber us in the loose. If we aren’t stronger at the breakdown we are doomed. “A counter-ruck, my kingdom for a counter-ruck”!

    3. D alignment: I felt that we were slow to realign.

    and just…
    4. Bad days at the office: Koroibete

    • Mica

      Can’t argue with any of that.

    • Crescent

      I was really hoping the support runners would be one of the areas to improve in the week, but it was about the same as Game 1, and the AB’s were more efficient generating the turnover.

      Overall, we just couldn’t apply the pressure consistently, and made some errors that meant when we had a chance to get the scoreboard moving in our favour, we managed to mess it up.

      The less to be said about giving ball back to probably the best broken field running team, the better. Then again, I am an old low number, so any time I see a kick that doesn’t get territory and result in a set piece tends to give me the shits.

      Still plenty of work for Rennie in this squad, but I have never really seen a team coming off the Wallabies baseline become consistently brilliant in two games with such a disrupted pre-season as far as the international test window is concerned. I still hold that Rennie is moving in the right direction, and I hope to see this team build to be something impressive in this Bill cycle.

    • Mike D

      Dead right about the support runners. That has been a bugbear of mine for… well as long as I can remember. I always seem to be screaming at them to get there with the break man.

  • Vboom

    Can I just say as a Kiwi and AB fan I am glad to see improvement on from the Wallabies. It seems if not for 15 minutes of being asleep at the wheel there the Wallabies would have kept this extremely tight even with the shocking amount of missed tackles. After the draw in Welly and what could have easily been another nail biter in Auckland I love having Australia coming back into the game, although frankly I don’t want to see the beautiful Bledisloe handed back across the ditch I can’t help but cheer at the resurgence of a strong Wallabies side. Both sides have some incredible looking talent that’ll emerge over the next few years and I having the Gold vs Black actually give me that fear again was massive. 2 games on home soil now for you guys, this Bledisloe is far from over. Best of luck and look forward to a sharing a cold beer with our Aussie cousins soon when we eventually get that travel bubble,

    • Nutta

      Cheers.

    • Hoss

      Welcome Vboom all views welcome.

      New comers are required to bring a plate though and usually some whisky, so…..

      • Nutta

        South Islander. Scots background.

      • From NooZealand

        And because of the Covid restrictions, this has to be quarantined here in Auckland. I will send you my address.

        • Hoss

          We left the mug there for now so you could quarantine it for its scheduled Brisbane homecoming to our shores mate. So if you wouldn’t mind…..

          I believe RA are preparing the trophy cabinet as we speak.

          https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/01a4605aa7685e843ade575d172ee1b73952b97df6b5bbc4381a7064759126cb.jpg

        • Yowie

          For some reason the trophy cabinet in that photo seems to feature the “Aaron Smith Award” (awarded for opportunistic cat in an unexpected place).

        • Hoss

          I believe he is prepared to sign an after-david to that effect.

        • From NooZealand

          Very gracious of you to do that (leave the mug here). We will send it to Australia tied to a boomerang.

        • Hoss

          Always happy to be a gracious neighbour mate. Plus, all those AB germs in it from 17 years of being on loan, it needs a good clean.

    • Keith Butler

      Welcome to this rugby band of brothers. Beware of the Hossman though, you could die laughing.

    • KwAussie Rugby Lover

      I’m with you mate. Love the uncertainty and the knowledge that we don’t have to do too much wrong to get hurt. NZ and Aus need to work together and we are definitely stronger together

      • Alister Smith

        Have you been listening to Jacinda’s press conference?

        • KwAussie Rugby Lover

          I haven’t actually

  • Missing Link

    #SackRennie

    :) just kidding. I find it perplexing that with a new coach and new players we still get steamrolled in exactly the same manner, making exactly the same mistakes, being exposed in exactly the same way.

    How could we have not prepared for Caleb Clarke? I mean the guy is hard to hide, he resembles J.Savea in his prime. Also the period between 30 and 50 minutes were owned by NZ, something we’ve seen a lot of before. I think Foster played around a bit last week and it obviously didn’t work and now he’s gone back to Hansen’s way.

    Absorb pressure for the first 30 minutes, then apply pressure for 20, then see what position you’re in and decide what you need to do to win. Every time, we come out of the blocks like a bull out of a gate and we look good, with waves and waves of attack, and we end up lucky to take 3 points away, then low and behold, momentum shifts and they put anywhere between 7 to 21 points on us, and with 30 minutes to go they can play field position and focus on defense while we flog ourselves senseless trying to catch up. when will we ever learn.

    Another example is the game at the lunchbox a few years ago, i think we blew out to a 17-0 before they came back and in the last 20 when we were spent, they put the pressure on us and ended up winning right on 80.

    Rennie needs to watch the England vs. NZ world cup semi and do exactly what England did every time. We seldom beat the All Blacks like we did in Perth last year, sometimes it works but most of the time it doesn’t. play a dour defence based game, don’t kick to them in open space, take 3 when in range.

    • Mike D

      Yep, slow the tempo. Make them work for the ball, sort of a defensive offence – there’s a reason keeping NZ to 16 is prerequisite for winning, they love expansive up-tempo games. Heard one of the commentators “sometimes it’s easier to play without the ball”. Nope. Keep it, keep slowing it down. Don’t go all out offensive, just a steady grind.

    • Parker

      I was disappointed to see us not take a shot at the three on a few occasions. Points is points, Sol.

    • KwAussie Rugby Lover

      I was yelling take the points a couple of times. It’s test match rugby and an easy 3 points changes the focus of the game, gives the piggies a break and actually has the ability to disrupt the other side as they become the chasing team. I’m not sure if it’s Rennie or someone in the coaching box saying not to, or just Hooper but either way I think it’s a mistake. Only time I’d not take it is chasing more than 3 to win and very little time left on the clock

      • Yowie

        Probably residual “playing the Australian way” bullshit. I’d rather see us play smart, rack up points, apply pressure, punish cynical play anywhere near the goal posts, etc.

        • KwAussie Rugby Lover

          Yep. 3 on the board is worth more than 4 almosts

      • Alister Smith

        tactics/overall strategy seemed a little different this week. We seemed, because of the fairer weather perhaps, to run more out of our own half rather than the tactical kicking employed in the more challenging conditions the week before. And my different I actually mean more similar to the way we have played previously to the new coaching group.

        Anyway, it must be very challenging as a player to know that ANY mistake you make, regardless of whether it is on your 5 yard line or the All Blacks 5 yard line could result in an immediate try. The All Blacks capacity to attack immediately and ruthlessly from any error is something to watch, a bit like those Attenborough nature films when the lions identify the weak buffalo…you know he’s f&cked from the moment they start, then the buffalo puts up a bit of a fight and you get your hopes up, but then he zigs when he should have zagged and something is tearing his throat out.

        We need to minimise our errors as this is what feeds the All Blacks but we also need a way to turn pressure back on them, defensive pressure is one way but we didn’t execute at all well there and I think we need something else in attack – fast ruck speed and off loads is one way, but we tried to do that without fully committing numbers to the breakdown on the weekend and turned the ball back over 3 or 4 times as a result – it was just poor execution – still a work in progress but achievable – another week of training,

        • KwAussie Rugby Lover

          I agree the attack needs something. How about the 9 just feeding the ball rather than either waiting until everything is just right which gives the defence time to get set or taking the ball and running 4 steps first which just allows the rush to occur.

        • Mike D

          Yeah, what’s the double pump Gordon was doing? Just seemed to use time?

        • I agree, the Wallabies seemed more inclined to run it from deep and I’m not 100% sure why. I will give you one thought though. Barrett, Barrett, Clarke is a really, really dangerous backfield. In good conditions they’re not going to drop the ball (I don’t remember a dropped ball all afternoon from a deep kick, one or two from contested box kicks, although I’ve slept since then so I could be wrong) and, as we saw, they will run it back and hurt you.

          I’m not convinced it’s the winning tactic still, but I’m guessing the coaching staff have been working on embedding the new basic defensive structure and so on first. Getting a good kick chase has not yet been worked in – it was certainly lacking on Sunday – so they’re trying to avoid having to rely on it. Hopefully it will be a skill that gets put in place soon, because otherwise there might be a world of pain coming from turnovers and long kicks when they’re absolutely required.

        • Alister Smith

          Yes fair point, but when we did kick back to them on the weekend we kicked straight to them and as you correctly point out, the kick chase was poor. Caleb Clarke will beat tackles easily enough but when we present him with one tackler at a time after he has time to get momentum up, rather than presenting him with a fast moving defensive line, then he may be a little easier to manage (though never easy). I think also that kicking deep for line, particularly once we have improved out defensive lineout further, is a better option against the NZ back three we face at the moment. Also, while I am sure Taniela Tupou could improve his kicking, I wish he wouldn’t try.

        • In general, if the defensive lineout work doesn’t improve, a lineout 40+ metres out is better than their back three running a broken defensive line (for pretty much any test nation’s value of “their” but especially the ABs). From that distance, fancy lineout moves, driving mauls and the like buy the opposition metres, not tries (at least not usually) and the defensive line forms up properly again.

          It doesn’t mean they can’t score, but the likelihood of a move off a lineout from there is low. With Clarke and the Barretts running the ball back against individuals, they may not make a try every time, but it sure feels more dangerous.

      • Patrick

        Agree 100%. I told the kids we should have dropped Hooper as Captain already when he took touch the first time and don’t want to repeat what I said the second time.

      • Not sure I’d do it every time. As a spectator you can feel when a team has momentum and that kick to the corner is much more likely to produce a try, equally you can feel when it’s not going to work. I never got the feel for that on the pitch, but players turned commentators that I respect (none of them working for Fox surprise, surprise) talk about being able to sense that on the pitch too.

        It’s not infallible of course, but neither is kicking the penalty.

        That said, although the stats say the Wallabies lineout was much improved, it was still a mess. Yes, technically, it won more and lost less. But there was a deflection that happened to fall into Toomua’s hands rather than an AB’s. There was ball off the top that White pulled off a hero catch to avoid the knock on as it was effectively spiked to about 30cm in front of his toes. There were three or four other really messy “wins” that were so not good ball.

        Taking the lineout and trying to set up a driving maul under those conditions… driving mauls are hard work. They take a lot of team work, with everyone getting their body positions right and doing their jobs properly, and from a dynamic start because you don’t know exactly where the jumper will land and so on, nor how the opposition will be lined up and try and disrupt your formation. It’s just not there yet for the Wallabies, something for more hours of practise for them.

  • Reds Revival

    With 2Cows out, I would have the following backline; 9 White 10 Lolesio 11 Korobiete 12 JOC 13 Petaia 14 Daugunu 15 DHP
    That would still give us two playmakers, solid defence, and plenty of attacking flair.

    • onlinesideline

      is JOC really a good enough defender for test footy at 12 ? He’s gutsy as hell but you have to have some size at this level dont you ? The All blacks are actually not that big compared to Saffas and Poms and Argies.

      • Reds Revival

        I would say he is. He defended well there for the Reds and in the first game. He’s quite a nuggety build these days.

        • onlinesideline

          I question it. I saw him get steam rolled more than once on Sunday for should have been standard defending. I wouldnt classify him as nuggety at all. He’s absolutely tiniy with very little bulk. He’s strong for his size though BUT…..

        • MichaelA

          I thought he made some important tackles at times when others should have been there but weren’t. He’s a bit of an energizer bunny, but not as much as Hooper.

        • onlinesideline

          He did. Hes gutsy and punches above his weight every game. I’m just worried that no matter how much he’s commited his lack of size at 12 will be on occassons just too much of a problem against big powerful 12s.

        • MichaelA

          I see what you mean.

          I used to feel the same about AAC. It was convenient for coaches to switch him around to get their optimum selection, but not best for his performance.

        • I agree about combinations. However, in the abbreviated TRC, I think JOC is probably ok playing at 12. Goodhue is not a big 12, not sure who the Pumas will bring, but he’s not likely to be huge either. With the Bokkes not coming, he can probably cover there.

          Long term, he might be a bit small, but over the next few weeks, I think he’s big enough. There are arguments about blooding the new midfield players, but I think Lolesio, JOC, and one of the P’s at 13 is a good set up probably. I wouldn’t mind JOC and two young midfielders either though.

        • Greg

          I think JOC2.0 gave it everything but also fell off some tackles.
          He was not Robinson Crusoe.

        • Mike D

          Everyone got steamrolled because NZ were prepared to accept injuries to win. Aus were not.

      • MichaelA

        JOC is a very good defender. As for organising the defence, he can do that to some extent, but he is the type of 10 who doesn’t hesitate to assist at the rucks if needed, so a lot falls on the 12 to organise defence too. Too-moos is very good at this, but if he goes down, whoever replaces him at 12 has to run defence too. I think that’s where we had a real problem on Sunday.

    • Pedro

      it all depends on where Rennie sees Hodge playing.

      If you want to ensure you’re not losing of defence I’d put in Simone 12.

      • Reds Revival

        Hodge is a bench player. I think Simone would be a good choice if Lolesio is at 10, but still not sure if he is international standard yet.

        • Pedro

          which?

        • Reds Revival

          Sorry Pedro. Simone is the one I question whether he is up to international standard.
          I have no doubt about Lolesio. Any concerns I had were quashed in his performance in the SRAU Final.

        • Pedro

          Simone has excellent defence, so I think he’d be sound. Plus he’s a big unit, which is always a bonus when you move up the grades.

  • MichaelA

    The frustrating thing is, that we weren’t that bad. I hope the team realizes that this All Black team is very beatable, and its very beatable on any ground, including Eden Park.

    Missed tackles is the biggest factor that killed us. Its something we can improve on. And we did recover late in H2. A second factor is AB’s counter-rucking. In B1 I thought we did better than them, but in B2 we went backward a little whereas they really lifted their performance.

    I was very encouraged by the turnaround in our set piece – scrummaging, lineout and rolling mauls. Our pigs should be encouraged, but also realise how they let us down in the ruck, at times.

    Koroibete had an awful game, which is admittedly easier to happen when young Caleb Clarke is on the field. Perhaps he needs a rest, time to get his mojo back.

    I like what I have seen of Rennie’s game planning, especially that the players as well as the coaches seem to know what the plan is. ;o) But it seems this game we deliberately eschewed tactical kicking, at least in the first half. I think that cost us. O’Connor and Toomua are both capable of decent tactical kicks. And if White is going to stay as the half-back, then let him box kick, with co-ordinated chasing. I appreciate there was no wind, but he’s good enough. This game, it was their box kicking that put us under pressure, which shouldn’t happen.

    • idiot savant

      Yeah for all but15 minutes we were in that game. I thought both sides were very nervous in the first half but we lacked the composure to score a couple of tries. JOC said afterwards we were too eager. JOC had managed to get away with the long high deep kick in SR AU but its not one for test rugby. Kick to the sidelines or box it up the sidelines. I was astounded they tried to run it out just after half time when White could have box kicked it to nearly halfway. He’s one of the best box kickers in the world and we should use it. Daugunu is a great chaser. There were lost of missed opportunities in that game and our incompetence flattered them a little.

      • Geoffro

        Best post match statement was JOC when he said it was a game of inches and not super rugby (though he was guilty of one of the shittiest non- tactical kicks of the game)

    • Mike D

      Absolutely spot on re the maul. Really impressed they were able to adapt to the opposition and the ref during the game rather than keep getting caught by it. Maybe need to get Stephen Moore to teach stopping the maul, he was brilliant at it.

      • MichaelA

        I’d forgotten about that. Yes some pointers from squeak would be v. good.

    • Geoffro

      Marika had the yips,shouldn’t be permanent

    • Brumby Runner

      Why? If you expect our box kicks to put the ABs under pressure, then we must expect theirs to put us under similar pressure. JOC might be capable of a decent tactical kick but this game showed he is also capable of shockers.

      • MichaelA

        “then we must expect theirs to put us under similar pressure.”
        That was my point. In B1, we used the box kick very effectively, then we made very little use of it in B2. We were being put under pressure by their box kicks and not putting any pressure back with ours.
        As for tactical kicking, every kicker is capable of “producing shockers”, depending on the circumstances. Its not a reason to leave tactical kicking out of the game plan, which is what we appeared to do in B2.

  • Hoss

    Good morning all, I am back in the bosom of the Hunter Valley nourished from a week of no COVID and spectacular weather in Darwin, always loved that place.

    I like to start my pieces with a positive from Sundays game…………. so now that that ‘s over lets hook in.

    What a farging throwback to horrid memories of yesteryear was that !!

    It was the bulldog eating porridge metaphor. I get the intent, but the result was chunks of shit strewn everywhere

    Dropped balls, missed tackles, hail Mary passes, missed tackles and more dropped balls. I dont know whether to laugh or cry and the ultimate salt into the gaping self-inflicted wound, the Nearlies really didn’t have to do or show much. That’s not to detract from Caleb Clarke (is Caleb Maori for ‘Jonah’ ?? – fuck me that kids got game) or that scintillating run from BB where he beat 35 of our tacklers, but really, apart from that what did the Darkness proffer that we didn’t expect? We were fractionally off at rucks but it didn’t lose us the match, our scrum was ok-ish and our attack posed real threat WHEN WE OULD HOLD THE FARGING PILL THAT IS.

    The Exocet was absolutely dreadful on both sides of the ball – he had a horrid, horrid game. if he steps inside princess Moana he scores, if he calls to Flanders he goes close, if, if, farging if. If FKA lets John Williamson have the pill (instead avea turns him over 20cm from the line) we score under the posts untouched. Roosevelt must have been inducted to the priesthood as he saw no pill, Dirty Harry was missing, The Bullshitter was quiet and its a sad fucking indictment when Flanders is nigh on our best forward on the field – there’s a sentence i never though would be punched into my keyboard – however Plastic & Jimmy Slips had good games and put in decent shifts.

    What is clear is that when 2Cows went off our structure, composure and sense of calm went with him. JOC 2.0 – here’s a tip, DO NOT kick to Clarke in open / broken field – FFS. The Abattoir – NEVER kick again and stop reading your press about being a 140kg #10, truck it up and accidentally punch Coles in the face every chance you get. Jordan of Nazareth overplayed his hand, The Squatter made some bad reads, the AB’s were always going to ‘bait’ him to rush out the line and i could go on and on and on.

    At 10-7 down at the break and with a million missed tackles i though we were right in it, but history will show we then went on and pulled off a fabulous impersonation of the Judeans Peoples Front Crack Suicide Squad

    Me thinks many changes for the first leg back here. Moses has shown he has no tolerance for underperformance in Gold. The 23 are weekly custodians of the jersey and must make every second count. that 80 minutes was nauseating.

    Its the hope that kills you most.

    • Nutta

      Bulldog eating porridge.

      I promise that I’m plagiarising that in a corporate email this week.

      • onlinesideline

        never heard that one Nutta ? – thats a Hossman’s favourite.
        (must admit – I did copy and paste when I first read it)

      • MichaelA

        Its better when you hear the whole version. But the person who tells it will get banned.

    • Missing Link

      Have to say I took great pleasure in Nella flattening Coles, only problem is he dropped the pill, Coles must be the most punchable bloke in that team, Perenara his deputy.

      • Nutta

        Hookers and Halfbacks. Punchability is in the job description. If they aren’t punchable then they aren’t doing their job. Written as a Hooker who masquerades as a prop.

      • KwAussie Rugby Lover

        Hahahahahahaha probably true but let’s face it if he was playing for the wallabies you’d love his attitude

        • Missing Link

          He’s a decent player no doubt, I’m not a fan of the big mouth in any team, amatuer or pro. There’s always one bloke in every cricket team who’s job is the same as Coles, bats down the list and doesn’t bowl, but loves a chat and doesn’t care if it blows up in his face.

    • KwAussie Rugby Lover

      I need to copy and paste your nicknames onto a word document somewhere. Losing touch of who you’re referring to half the time. I was impressed with Rennie’s talk after the game. No punches pulled in that one and I think some of the players may be feeling a bit worried about their places which is a good place to be if you want improvement

      • Hoss

        Love the frankness of Moses, blunt brutal honesty and he was right. Mate, if he dropped Samu after a fair game (IMO) i reckon there’s 4-5 starters destined for a spell in the paddocks.

    • Keith Butler

      Hossman. I think you need to post the details of nicknames for the 23. I am becoming more and more confused. Thought we were in with a shout at half time but got blown away in 15 mins. The last 20 mins was just going through the motions for the Nearlies. How good is Caleb Clarke or was our defence just shite.

      • GeorgiaSatellite

        “Going through the motions…defence was just shite”
        I think you’re repeating yourself there, KB. Reminded me of ‘Wired World of Sports’ when Popavalium Andropov’s guts exploded during a power lift and he was “lying there, motionless”.

    • KwAussie Rugby Lover

      Mate reality hurts sometimes. TBH I din’t think there was a lot on offer in attack apart from just bashing it up and for the most part the ABs found that easy to contain. basic skills are still an issue as is decision making under pressure and I hope Rennie is working on those.

      • Hoss

        I hate it when you’re right

  • Missing Link

    BREAKING NEWS: Twiggy buys RM Williams
    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-19/rm-williams-bought-australian-ownership-andrew-twiggy-forrest/12780896

    Yes you heard it correctly folks, this paves the way for the next Wallabies sponsorship deal – The RM Williams Wallabies

    I couldn’t think of a more iconic partnership

    • onlinesideline

      The Reginald Murray Williams Wallabies ?
      The Ned Kelly’s Kitchen Pots Wallabies ?

    • Greg

      I can see it now…

      The RM Willy Wobblies versus ….

      • Geoffro

        The Wellies.. (NZ’ers favorite footwear aren’t they)

    • Nutta

      I confess I thought the same particularly when I saw it was Twiggs & the wife’s personal investment company that bought it. Also, perhaps we can get away from $600 riding boots now…

      • Hoss

        Can we get away with the 20yo ‘ambassadors’ who couldn’t spell ‘RM’ and never heard of it anyway. Used to be clothes for the regular Aussie Joe – now they cater for the beautiful people – well to them i say, up yours.

        I used to shout myself some ‘Signature boots’ every few years, they went from $695 to $1,000 the month the previous mob took over FFS.

        Sanity prevails. Also – Twiggy, big Farce fan here and a plus size Aussie guy, so if you want a REAL ambassador give me a call 0435 HOSS4RM

        • Yowie

          ….the beautiful people – well to them i say, up yours.

          Go easy knocking No 10s and fullbacks there Hoss. Every international side needs a few nice haircuts. (I don’t know why, but they do).

        • Nutta

          Don’t listen to him Twig.

          He’s a Tarts man.

          Now me, not only am I an anti-establishmentarian much like your good self, I’m also your +45yrs authentic country born & bred imposter who left the country (no jobs) and now wears boots and jeans in more urban environments.

          I’m your target market.

          Plus I’m better looking.

          Hire me as your Brand Ambassador.

          I promise you will regret it.

        • Hoss

          Dear Twiggy,

          In recent media on a bodgey fan site their has been commentary questioning suitable ambassador type figures for your latest business acquisition.- the return of an Australian icon for the residents of this sunburnt land

          Twiggy, you’re a smart man, You’ve made plenty pillaging lands of our Indigenous and occasionally bulldozing a sacred site or three, in the name of progress and growth, so you understand a good business deal when its presented.

          Unlike those from the sex & smut capital of Australia (is that really the look you want). I understand what it is to toil the land with nothing but the sweat of your brow, the furrow of sunlines etched into your face like a dry creek bed on a dusty plain.When all you could count on is the value of a hard days work, the love of your family and the comfort that your trusty RM’s would never let you down, work or play, they would raise you up and make you feel that there was hope, there was reward, there was a future.

          At 191 cm and approx 118kg’s i offer more. More girth, more height, larger feet – in short I am a human billboard to best display the wears of this mighty ‘5 Percy Street’ icon. With an arse like Oprah what better platform then to have your denim, with the iconic bulls-horn strewn across a taut buttocks as living embodiment of what it means to be an ‘RM Man’, with the riveted denim and double stitched seem shimmering as i sashay effortlessly to my destination. And what says ‘quality’ more than a protruding gut putting immeasurable pressure per square inch on the buttons and seems of the understated ‘Bourke Shirt’ in it’s seasonal colours and inviting, almost hypnotic sexiness.

          And the boots, what can i say, its a s close as my feet will come to having sex, perhaps except for that visit to Thailand, but i digress. It’s been said in my clan, third-generation land owners from out west, that a man has nothing in life bar his word and his RM’s

          Twiggy, dont be tempted by the devil tongued of the ACT region, the numbers add up, you know it makes sense and the time is now. Let’s both make RM Great Again.

          Yours in anticipation

          Mr Hoss.
          Lifelong RM Wearer

        • Nutta

          Twig, as a man who was well versed in the Firepower Fiasco, you know a snake-oil salesman when you smell one I’m sure.

          Don’t be swayed by the sweet-chili-sauce words of foolmongery. It’s only there to disguise the rancid cream marketed as ‘sour’.

          Trust rather in the direct words of Harry Harbord Morant and his challenge to “Shoot straight ya Bastards! Don’t make a mess out of it.”

          And you will find none that shoot straighter than I, be it at opponents or my own foot.

        • Hoss

          The devil might wear Prada, but Jehovah wears RM.

        • Mike D

          How do you know what Pocock wears?

        • Timbo

          I wouldn’t be quoting ‘Breaker’ Morant. He was a racist, thief, murderer, coward and an Englishman.

          RM could only really relate to one of those…

        • Nutta

          See what happens when I try and broaden my horizons beyond my rabid Irish Republicanism? I run straight afoul of the bloody English…

          But it is still a bloody good quote.

          And you left out bigamist (so I understand).

        • Nutta

          Couldn’t you have just said “He was an Englishman”?

        • mortlucky

          A side bar if you’ll indulge me. I’ll be brief.

          Working late one night in ye olde London town, a young, god-fearing Afrikaaner lad in my employ and I were waxing lyrical about geopolitics. When the topic changed to the Boer War he said “Some Aussies come to my family’s farm to see a monument of an Australian soldier”. Knowing that travelling Aussies only care of celebrity I responded “Not the Breaker?!”

          He wasn’t sure but Google was and typing his long multi-vowelled farm name in returned pages about Harry.

          “The Breaker” eventually moved back to the Veldt with his book and we still chat from time to time (rugby not any other religion)

        • Nutta

          Indulgence is something we are well versed at.

        • Keith Butler

          What can I say. One of you very best Hossman. Post to Morrison and you’ll be a shoe in to take over from Big Joe Hockey.

        • Alister Smith

          I’ve got you by 2 cm and 20kg Hoss – if you want those long horns to stretch even wider Twiggy then they need to be on my arse…..that did quite come out like I wanted it too….

        • Hoss

          A bit of dinner, some dancing who knows where this might end….

  • Custardtaht

    Supposedly! Is there a Gary Gavascon who coaches Rugby?

  • Greg

    Take out the 15 minutes after half time and it is a different game.
    Did the NZ take their foot off the pedal – it didn’t look like it.

    Without being too mindlessly optimistic….
    i. we can hold the ball. we did it the week before in poor conditions
    ii. we can tackle. We were flustered… potentially 2Cows going off was the key
    iii. In spite of those two minor issues… if we scored those two tries… we were right in it.

    Let’s see what Mr Rennie does. Who comes in at 12? Does Koroibete get another shift? I am pretty sure yelling at the team is not the answer.

    I need to so that I don’t condone punching 9s and 2s…. much.

    • Nutta

      Stop being sensible. This isn’t the time or the place.

    • idiot savant

      I think Korobete has done enough to earn a week off. And Simone has to come into the side with JOC at 10 and Noah off the bench.

    • KwAussie Rugby Lover

      Most 9’s and 2’s need punching in a game. I see it even at the Subbies level I reff at in Sydney

      • Greg

        @ KRL I just need to caution that a ref punching out a 9 is probably appreciated by all, but not condoned. Punching out a 2 is probably unwise.

        • KwAussie Rugby Lover

          Hahahahahaha no those days are well in my past.

        • Nutta

          I don’t think even the ever-popular Nigel Owens would get away without that.

  • Mike D

    Actually not upset with yesterday’s game. Ok, would have liked the win, but the big take away for me is; that’s the best NZ have. They had to win the game and they knew it, so they were prepared to burn players to do it. Aus made some key tactical errors, but NZ may have made a strategic error, that was close to a Pyrrhic victory for them. Congratulations NZ on the win, but congratulations Aus on staying competitive – it looked ugly at times but they say great teams can win ugly. First step is be able to compete ugly.

    • KwAussie Rugby Lover

      Not sure that’s the best NZ have. Lots of room for improvement in their game as well

      • maximus_wong

        50% cooked

      • Mike D

        True that. Perhaps more accurate to say that’s the most committed they can be. It doesn’t get much more committed than getting knocked out trying to stop a try. And it was the best they could manage at this time, they threw absolutely everything at it, and for that cost – a head knock like that is potentially season or career ending – not sure they’d be really happy with the match.

  • Reds Revival

    I’ve read a few comments today about our sloppiness with pushing passes (a good example was Wilson to Phillip). However, I believe that this is a necessary step to get good enough to beat the ABs. If it had been FKA instead of Phillip, he probably would have caught it and been through the gap. That’s because the Reds topped SRAU with those sort of offloads, and it is extremely hard to defend against. The Reds started to show success with this style of footy, which is a feature of the U20 cohort. So while a few might go to ground while players get used to it, but once they know to expect the unexpected, that is when the Wallabies will be both very entertaining, and extremely hard to beat.
    Let’s push the enveloppe more, I say.

    • Yowie

      Obviously more Reds will need to be selected for this plan to work out properly…

      • Reds Revival

        Obviously! 9 Reds is not enough…

        • KwAussie Rugby Lover

          Hahahahaha true. Bring in McDermott for a start. I think he would have made a difference

    • KwAussie Rugby Lover

      I think there need to be a lot more work on the catch and pass skills. It’s a huge area of skill NZ has and yet not one we see often in Australia at any level really.

      • Geoffro

        Good point.We get accused of pushing the pass because of that

  • Alister Smith

    Pretty simple I thought. You just can’t miss that many tackles and win. I didn’t think the option taking was as good as it had been the previous week – we failed to turn them around as much as we had done but that was probably a result of their increasing the pressure on our attack. Losing Toomua was costly and that might be a pointer for our bench – do we have both Hodge and Petaia (or Paisami) on the bench or, on a 5 – 3 bench should we ideally pick Lolesio and Hodge/Paisami (assuming Petaia is the run on). If Toomua is out then they may look to start Lolesio at 10 with JOC at 12 but might still need to cover for a half, an inside back and an outside back – using Hunter there changed the way we played and put a lot of pressure on JOC to come up with everything.

  • GeorgiaSatellite

    OK, late to the party, as usual. I’m going on a limb to say it’s all part of Moses’ great strategy. In a 4-game year, we always had to win 3, draw 1/win 2, or (here the maths gets hard for me).

    By drawing the first and getting a touch up in the second, we lull the Nuns into a false sense of security, as they head to Australia for a surprise Halloween defeat. Then the pressure is right back on them for the last match, again in an Australia still buzzing from Cup Week.

    Of course, by this time, the Second U.S. Civil War should be underway, so who knows what will happen…

    • Reds Revival

      I love it GS. Brilliant strategy!

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