Now is the Winter of Our Discontent

Roscoe Tims August 21, 2012 111

No Gravatar‘Off with his head!’ cries the Duke of Gloucester in William Shakespeare’s Richard III, accusing Lord Hastings of ‘devilish plots’ and ‘damned witchcraft’.

The feeling amongst the Australian rugby public appears to be hardening against Robbie Deans. ‘Off with his head!’, indeed. I think it’s only a matter of time, actually. I doubt he’ll last the year out….

The continual under-achievement against the All Blacks, poor selection policy, lack of anything like a competent game plan, too many players missing in action, minimal intensity and passion… the list goes on.

This disorganised shambles is taking its toll even amongst loyal supporters of the status quo.

You only had to look at last week’s first Bledisloe Cup Test to discover that. The Wallabies were abysmal. How many weeks did they have together to prepare for that Test?

What do they do at training? Catch and pass maybe? It doesn’t look like it to me. They were dropping the ball even in circumstances when they weren’t put under any pressure.

Didn’t Deans know the team he selected hadn’t a hope in hell of ever beating the All Blacks last Saturday? Well, loads of us armchair rugby aficionados did, and we were right. It was as plain as day. Maybe he just can’t see the wood for the trees?

Why wasn’t Quade Cooper selected? The excuse about him not being match fit is just bullshit. Cooper said it himself (not in those words, of course). Beale ain’t match fit, neither is Mitchell, and both were in the team. And as for some of those Waratah forwards….

Deans picked a team to mitigate the damage, not defeat the All Blacks. The word is that Cooper feels constrained with Deans’s conservative game plan and isn’t all that impressed with the set-up anymore. I’d imagine he’ll feel a lot more comfortable when Ewen McKenzie takes over….

I’m sick of all the excuses. The buck stops with you, Mr Deans. Maybe it’s time for a change. Could Richard Loe be right — we’ll struggle to win any of the games in TRC, let alone the Bledisloe?

Now we hear that David Pocock and Sekope Kepu are both out of this week’s Bledisloe II. That’ll mean Hooper and Alexander to start.

We need to make significant changes to the starting XV to have even the slightest hope of being competitive at Eden Park. Out — Faingaa, Horne, TPN and Robinson. Do you think that’s going to happen?

What about today’s announcement that the NRL has got its billion-dollar pot of gold for the TV rights to its competition? How much pressure is that going to put on rugby union, in terms of competing for players and fans? We need an attractive, winning product to market and sell.

Most of us were supportive of Deans when he was appointed Wallabies coach and could see the positives as he began replacing the old brigade with young talent.

He was cut plenty of slack over that time. There seemed to be a plan and lots of positives on the horizon. However, the whole thing seems to have stagnated with Wallaby inconsistency and a disheartening soft centre.

We’ve still got scrummaging issues and we play an unattractive brand of kicking rugby (generally poorly).

Some would argue that we won the Tri Nations last year and are rated No. 2 in the world. That may well be — a watered down version, but I think we’re all sick of silver, aren’t we?

My view is that (realistically) we haven’t much hope of regaining the Bledisloe, nor of winning TRC. In fact, we probably lost it all during that first match. The disappointment will linger for another year or so.

If we fail this time the coach needs to go, and go he will. It’s Eddie Jones all over again.

‘Out, damn’d spot! out, I say! One; two: why, then ’tis time to do’t.’

 

Discussion »

  • Josh

    I couldn’t agree more. I am now starting to wonder if there are more people higher up that need to go too. From the ARU management perhaps? An end of season review that recommended we put the broom through the Wallaby coaching staff. Except for the coach. As you said, decision after decision that leaves even my wife, a ‘casual’ supporter of rugby, asking why did he do that, again and again. The worst performance of our U20 team in history. Player salary caps. The list goes on.

    I also wonder what, if anything, John O’Neil has brought back to rugby after his years away, or if it’s time for a management refresh similar to the Reds and ‘Tahs.

    • The Other Dave

      And isn’t the FFA a stable, successful organisation due to his influence?

    • Cringing

      It’s a full soc med campaign post Eden park coming everyone’s way…. Will be. @sackdeansnow on twitter and FB ….. Will be unrelenting and effective. Stay tuned

  • Skip

    I’m so sick of it all. We’ve got the same problems we had in 07. A weak scrum, a lack of forward steel, poor selection, bad tactics, the list goes on.

    We’ve thrown away countless tests against the kiwis (and scotland, samoa & ireland) through being out played, out enthused & out coached. It’s not good enough. We used to be a smart team. We’re dumber than a second coat of paint right now.

    Dingo’s a decent man but the basics (selection, basic game skills and game plan) are not there and the players are clearly not responding to him. If, as seems likely, we loose in Auckland (nevermind get a thumping) he needs to resign

    I’m flat out sick of it.

    • Skip

      And if dingo goes, J’ON can go with him.

      • Garry

        Yes Jon, the renewing his contract was a dog’s breakfast of a management decision.

        Clear your desk, Swimming Australia needs you.

    • johnny-boy

      Being a decent guy would I think be the worst possible credential for a wallaby coach right now. That is, apart from being a kiwi …..

    • jimmy

      The buttons available to me don’t adequately cover how much I agree with your statements.

  • The Rant

    This is the 3rd year in a row we’ve been writing about Deans’ lack of competence, bizarre selections, inability to create a gameplan, inability to instil passion and an ability to have zero accountability for failure.

    Fact is JON tied his fate to Deans. But given how vocal the critics are getting – even smh has started pulling at the threads -if we only manage 2 wins in TRC, it might be that the only thing that will save JON legacy will be firing Deans.

    Deans aint gonna resign – who’d have him now.

    • Nick_Brisbane

      I heard that someone on the Ruck radio show on Sunday said that JOC was ready to go but Deans would’nt pick him? Anybody hear that?

    • johnny-boy

      Deans says Steve Hansen is a very good fisherman. What a coincidence because I reckon Deans does a pretty good impression of a stunned mullet …..

  • Canuckruck

    Even the best coaches have a “shelf life” and clearly Robbie Deans has reached his.

    There was a time when the Robbie Deans reign looked like it might finally unlock the undoubted potential of attacking Wallaby rugby with the current crop… France in November 2010 was how this team should be playing.

    I don’t know that Robbie Deans is a bad coach, but I think we can confirm he is not the right coach for the Wallabies at this point in time.

    • pants

      You’re right. That France game was the best game our lot have ever played under Deans. Funny that it was a one off game at the end of a tour and didn’t actually mean anything of any real value, and then the inconsistency came back, and then France made the final of the WC and we got beaten by Samoa and Ireland and Scotland and .

      • Pedro

        Don’t forget our scrum got demolished, yellow carded and a penalty try I think. Then our backs tore them to pieces, but isn’t that traditional wallaby rugby?

        • Red Kev

          Yes and that is exactly what we should be going back to – just good enough forwards and sublime backs. Deans has the absurd habit of playing to the opposition’s strengths instead of to the Wallabies’ strengths.

        • Canuckruck

          Yes, and the Wallabies with Genia, QC, Diggers, Barnes, AAC, KB, JOC, Drew Mitchell et al have all the ability to rip wide open any rugby team on the planet and run in multiple tries. However, they all need to threaten, be seen to threaten, and they all need to see the ball. That is not happening right now.

  • Even less poorly thought through

    I’m an All Black fan and I felt disappointed for Australian supporters on Saturday night. The Wallabies looked so nervy before the game and then played like they were under pressure, except the ABs weren’t exactly firing on all cylinders.

    It’s easy to blame just Deans, but the set pieces aren’t electric, they’re suspect under the high-ball and the technique at the breakdown isn’t good – all things that could be refined across seasons together.

    The amazing thing watching them from the perspective of an AB supporter is that you know there are destructive ball carriers like Digby and AAC who just don’t get the ball. Even the loosies lie Dennis and Higginbotham are good ball runners but didn’t get to carry it in phase play because they kept resetting the attack and slowing it down.

    You know the Wallaby coach has jumped-the-shark when AB fans are also demanding a change.

  • PB

    the hardest thing to understand is… what has changed so rapidly? in 2010/2011 tri nations we played some magnificent footy.. think about those games against SA at home or in Durban, or the wins against the ABS where we played an up tempo, free running, high skill game which completely suited the australian temperament… we chose to abondon this style (which had been so successful in terms of yielding results and winning fans) in favour of a conservative, defence based approach for the RWC.. and we have never recovered…. the bulk of those players are still available, so why are we playing so badly.. we have gone backwards in the last 12 months after looking so promising.. its hard to comprehend

  • Jimbojones

    I have paid over $700 for four tickets to the dead rubber in Brisbane. After last Saturday’s performance – another in a long list – I am seriously thinking of returning them for a refund out of protest over the sham that is wallaby rugby. I am hoping for some sort of revolution by us fans that overthrows both coach and ARU management by years end so that pride can be returned to the jersey for prep for the lions tour. And while i have your attention can we please get these dickheads off twitter and focused on rugby and winning!.

  • Whynot?

    Hasn’t Dean been the coach that took you from 5th to 2nd in the World rankings. This article is a cheap shot.

    • boutbloodytime

      Holy crap Batman!!! John O’Neill visits this site using the tag Whynot!!!

      If you’re happy with a side consistently losing to substandard teams (ie Scotland & Ireland), constantly making perplexing selections that are rarely form based, continually out muscled up front (Samoa, ABs, et al), playing boring rugby with no discernable gameplan & lacking any consistency or progress in skills, smarts or strategy, with repeated unforced errors game after game after game…and if you’re happy with no. 2, then yes, it’s a cheap shot.

      But if you’re sick of lacklustre performances, ill discipline & slovenly play, incoherent press conferences & a side that appears to have lost all clue or faith in the style of play/the coach, or both…and you want to see a group of guys become a team of passionate players, hungry to win & willing to leave nothing in the tank at the end of the game, that have pride in the jersey are proud to represent Australia & the Wallaby legacy that has gone before them, a team that wants to create history, to look, act & play like professionals and don’t laugh & joke with the opposition when they lose…then it’s in no way a cheap shot.

      I bloody hate losing, but it becomes a bit easier to stomach when you see a well drilled, smart, fit, fast & hungry team playing with pride, making the opposition work their guts out for every metre and every point & they get rolled by a better side on the day…and you can see how much it hurts every single one of them…I’m right behind that team, win, lose or draw…but we are not currently seeing that & that absolutely needs to change.

      It is the responsibility of the coaching staff to channel that hunger & drive, temper it with discipline & a strong work ethic & instill a vision & plan that creates a professional, clinical, foot on the throat mentality that engenders fear & respect from our opposition…and that is sadly lacking under this current regime.

      Our former Wallabies who outplayed, out gutsed & out thought supposedly ‘better’ sides deserve better & the rugby public who has had to watch our beloved team go down the shitter deserve better.

      Robbie Deans is probably a nice guy. He has an outstanding Super 15 record (regardless of the number of legends he had at his disposal, he was still at the helm when the Crusaders won their titles), his international coaching gigs reveal something that doesn’t quite make it at the next level, for whatever reason, his ‘magic’ isn’t quite doing the do…and shoe on the other foot…could you EVER imagine an Aussie coaching the All Blacks?

      If the kiwis were ever faced with this blasphemous situation, do you think they would accept a 60% success rate after 4 years? And if the nuns turned out a performance like the Wallabies did last Saturday, the coach wouldn’t need to resign or be sacked, he would’ve been lynched!!!

      • Mart

        “I bloody hate losing, but it becomes a bit easier to stomach when you see a well drilled, smart, fit, fast & hungry team playing with pride, making the opposition work their guts out for every metre and every point & they get rolled by a better side on the day…and you can see how much it hurts every single one of them…I’m right behind that team, win, lose or draw…but we are not currently seeing that & that absolutely needs to change.”

        Farkin here here’

      • pants

        You only have to look at the difference between the NSW rugby league team losing the state of origin to QLD and the Wallabies losing to the ABs. I’m a QLD supporter but i could see the passion and the absolute hatred of losing that all the NSW players had after every game they lost. There was no laughing and joking after a loss. They were angry…really pissed off with losing and you could see they were determined more than anything in the world to change it. They had passion, and as a QLD supporter i respected that.

        Contrast that with the Wallabies. It’s like losing to the ABs is just acceptable now. It’s no big thing, there’s no major consequences, nobody is going to be held accountable for it. They don’t get angry about it after the game. Everyone’s job is safe. We’ve accepted mediocrity now and it is ingrained in the culture of the Wallaby team.

        • jimmy

          We should put the leaguies out there. They may not know the rules, or ever have played union but I’ll put money on the fact that the ABs wont get a free ride to the tryline like the Wallabies have been giving them.

          In fact, I’d bet the ABs wouldn’t want to play them a second time. imagine 15 of the best league players in a defensive line – wouldn’t be real easy to crack.

        • johnny-boy

          Leaguies are too small in general for the forwards in rugby. Brad Thorn was a very big boy in league and SBW, a colossus in league
          couldn’t hack the forwards in rugby.

        • jimmy

          I don’t entirely agree with you. You wouldn’t see the 6’6 guys but apart from the second row, the leaguies would be fine.

          Keep in mind that due to the difference inn the games, the leaguies are trained to be lighter. If they trained like the Union players they would all be heavier and do more “explosive” work. In any case, guys like Tony Williams, Shillington and Dave Taylor etc are more than big enough already. The only area they would struggle in would be the height.

          The backs would also be a size match for any other country out there. Imagine Inglis and Hodges etc in that back line. A far more threatening prospect than we currently deploy.

        • Funk

          Jamal Idris 6’6, 115kgs and a centre, who used to play schoolboy rugby….lost to RL.

    • Skip

      Coming second while not playing to your best will never be good enough in Australia. And even while playing to our best, we’ll still want to be no.1. That’s just how it is & i hope it will always be so.

    • Red Kev

      @whynot?
      No it’s not a cheap shot.
      The reality is the Wallabies were briefly 5th in the world after exiting the RWC in 2007. They were back to 4th before Robbie Deans had even coached the Wallabies in a match.
      Furthermore the All Blacks, Springboks, and Wallabies are always numbers 1, 2 & 3 in the world partly by virtue of how often they play each other and partly because they just play the game the best. The only time this order has been upset for a long period was 2001-2003 when England were the best in the world beating all comers up to their RWC win.
      The only reason the Wallabies are no.2 right now instead of no.3 is that PvD was a more deranged coach than RD. Do not expect Meyer to be that inept, the Wallabies will be back at no.3 before the end of the Rugby Championship.

    • ooaahh

      @why not!

      Tell you what would show you how much the supporters are hurting. Having GAGR create a rank of Deans worst decisions to best. Off the top of my head I would have the following on the list that are decisions made solely under RD’s watch (Spoiler alert there ain’t much good stuff to add.)

      No back up to David Pocock at RWC
      Selecting Ben Alexander at TH
      Sitaleki Timani in the squad
      Horne at OC
      Fainga at IC
      Cooper not even on the bench for Bledisloe 1
      Dropping Rocky as captain 3 weeks out from the WC
      Picking Rocky as captain in the first place
      Destroying Mat Gituea’s confidence
      Losing to Scotland away
      Losting to Scotland at home
      Losing to Samoa at home
      Not using the bench…… EVER
      Beating South Africa in RWC (really it was Pocock and McCabe)
      Picking McCabe at IC for RWC
      Dean Mumm in the side
      Loss to Munster
      Premature benching of George Smith
      No George Smith at RWC (and I saw him at Auckland Airport the morning after the loss to Ireland)
      Loss to Ireland at the RWC in pool play
      Ben McCalman
      Richard Brown
      Salessi Maafu
      Nick Phipps
      Beating the ABs at Honkers
      Beating the ABs at Queensland
      Sydney August 18 2012 loss and even just the style of play
      No discernible game plan
      France 2010 win

      If we are such cheap shot merchants feel free to add positives to this list. I’m sure the rest of the fans here will add their 2 cents also.

      • Duncher

        He’s given us our worst record against the ABs since Greg Smith… FACT

      • Duncher

        two losses at a WC for the first time since ’95

      • Duncher

        10 straight losses to the AB’s

      • Queenslander

        And lets add to this some of the most appalling strategies highlighted by the acceptance and possible encouragement of the damned chip kick.

        Even the great Tim Horan was heard to say ‘the chip kick was the right option’. Newsflash Tim, the chip kick is never the right option especially when we do it because we are shite at it.

        I have banged on about Deans coaching snice day dot. He is a kook and myth

      • Mighty Moth

        You forgot the incoherent gibberish to explain his decisions and accountability!

      • ooaahh

        I also forgot to add Rod Davies

    • murph

      Much like the convenient half-truth that he ‘discovered’ Beale, Cooper, O’Connor and Pocock*, the old 5th to 2nd stat is trotted out by Deans’s PR trolls almost every time he’s criticised.

      It’s based on a statistical anomaly that creates an illusion of progress.

      While it’s true that from the point of time Deans took control of the team Australia was ranked 5th and now they are ranked 2nd, the ranking of 5th was in the immediate aftermath of the 2007 RWC. The RWC has an inordinate effect on rankings such that the finishing position of a team more or less becomes their new ranking.

      Leading into the 2007 RWC, Australia were ranked 2nd:

      http://www.irb.com/rankings/archive/date=2007-09-03/histranking.html

      At the conclusion they were ranked 5th.

      So between September 2007 and now, the IRB rankings for the Wallabies have remained constant.

      * Of course, while he’s happy to take undue credit for O’Connor, Beale, Genia, Cooper, Pocock etc, you’ll never hear him take ‘credit’ for McCalman, McCabe, Mumm, Maafu, Brown and the rest of Deans’s Unflushables

      • johnny-boy

        Good comment Murph but you forgot Baxter, Alexander, Phipps, Vuna and Horne at least. Some of these guys would never even get close to the Wallabies under McKenzie. No wonder they love Robbie.

  • ben

    A buddy of mine regularly see Robbie and asked him if he ever yells and screams and gets up the players. He said he never does this as it is unprofessional. I think the players lack of passion could be a rub off from Deans. This always speaking in platitudes doesnt work with australians. There is a distinct lack of fire in the players. Sometimes to need to go out a play like your life depends on it, not like your thinking through a math exam.

    Ewan McKenzie does it, so do all great coaches. Every now and again and impassionate blast is exactly what is required. Bob Dwyer cried in front of his team becasue he knew what they were capable of and were not showing it.

    The passion is what gives the extra 5%. Its 5% thats required this weekend all over the park.

  • Whynot?

    @Ben, didn’t the Wallabies win the tri nations last year. Aren’t you ranked no. 2 in the world? Not convinced yelling would have made you no. 1

  • ben

    Why not……We beat the AB’s twice…..it is clear that we were not that far behind, yet couldnt get it done. We clearly have the talent, when not injured and lots were talking about us as favorites for the next WC. It simply seems we are not playing hard enough,and whats the reason….i think an impassioned speech is a wonderful motivator. There are countless examples of this, from Rod McQueen reading passages from WW1 to Dwyer crying. The game is played on inches of effort and i think passion is a huge plus is sports.

    Maybe in the Semi last year we wouldnt have looked like stunned rabbits…..look at the previous game in Brisbane…the fire was clearly there.

  • Whynot?

    If you win in Eden Park, will this change your mind? We as fans are a fickle bunch, lol

    • Lee Enfield

      Mate if we win at Eden Park, I will vote for Gillard.

      • Roscoe Tims

        If we win at Eden Park Lee, I’d vote for Craig Thompson and look to borrow his credit card…

        • reds fan

          If we win at Eden Park I’ll vote for Tony Abbott… err… nah i wouldn’t.

  • murph

    I watched the game on the weekend, for my sins, but none of my mates who I talk rugby with even bothered – and I’m talking about guys who have played rep level, coached and/or are normally quite obsessed with rugby. All of us watched the S15 final. Just one, me, watched the bledisloe

    We are collectively completely sick and tired of the direction of Australian rugby under Deans.

    I’d say we are not alone by a long shot.

    • Brax

      Your mates are fairweather supporters. This shits me more than the players have a laugh & chat after the game….. and that shits me a lot!
      If you don’t support your team through good times & bad you’re just a bandwagoner with no passion for the game….. perhaps it’s this attitude is filtering through to the top?

      • Cringing

        I totalllyyyy agree…..how can u not even watch as depressing as it was….u would never see the poms, saffas, welsh, Irish take that attitude ever … I also agree that attitude gets transferred into players psyche nationally at all levels … Supporting the wallabies is not a f..king entertainment product

      • murph

        That’s the point, Brax, they aren’t fair weather supporters at all. They’ve had enough of seeing the Wallaby brand persistently trashed by Deans and half the team. You can shout all you want about sticking with the side through thick and thin, but ask yourself the question: have they stuck with Wallaby supporters? The answer is a resounding ‘no’.

        • Brax

          Mate if you stick through the thick & the thin you reap the rewards when times are good, ala Reds, remember how rubbish they were till 3 seasons ago? It felt bloody good seeing them rise after 10 years of mediocrity & direness, knowing I had been behind them & looked forward to each season with optimism & hope finally come to fruition. To turn your back on your team just because things are bleak and the show isn’t being run how you envisage is being a fair weathered supporter. The wheel will turn for the Wallabies again & when it does I’ll be glad I’ve gone along for the ride no matter how bumpy the road is now.

        • murph

          Brax
          All, except one, are Reds supporters. None of them ditched the Reds, even at their nadir.

          The only thing that will affect JO’N is the bottom line and that will only be affected by viewers turning off, which they are.

          Of course they still support the Wallabies but there has to be a way to show disaffection and that’s the way they’re doing it.

      • pants

        Fairweather support is a fact of life. I think most here are finding it very difficult to watch the Wallabies at the moment. It’s kind of like that feeling you get watching a car crash. It feels wrong but you can’t stop looking.

  • Cantab

    Despite the mountain of public opinion saying his time is up, I think given the success of the welsh tour if the wallabies were to beat the springbox once and the argies twice it will mean 12 more months of deans.

    • murph

      Agreed

  • Mickeys

    In my mind we employed Deans to win the RWC and the Bledisloe & Tri Nations – everything else is the process and methodology towards achieving this aim.

    World rankings, win/ loss ratios are measures and player and game development are enablers to the above aim.

    In near on 5 years, we have won a Tri Nations.

    Is this good enough?

    I say not……

  • Garry

    I’m concerned about the outcome of the Wallabies v Pumas match.

    How long before we hear “Oh, the long flights are killing the players.” Ten to one it’s from the mouth of an ‘Aussie’ coach.

    • jimmy

      There isn’t a chance in hell we will be saying it before the Saffers mate. Where have you been the last 10 years?

  • MyRugby Mate

    Hmmm, I’m starting to wonder… what if it’s not Deans… and it’s just a simple issue that the Aussie players are not anywhere near being “the best in the world”?

    • jimmy

      Well in that case he has picked the wrong players. Because prior to Deans we managed to win 2 world cups and had only recently lost a final in overtime. Haven’t fired a shot since he took over.

      • MyRugby Mate

        Simple fact is… that’s the past, we can’t bring back players from retirement (or can we? lol).
        If Deans (and I’m not a fan by the way) is wrong in his selections, who else really (and honestly) could he have picked?

        Another way of looking at it is who wasn’t selected that could be considered the ‘international’ best in his position?
        In 2003 if you totalled the players based on being ‘arguably the best in the world in their position’ there was ‘arguably’ double digits.

        2012 I’m struggling in my mind to get a single digit happening.

        Figgin’ sad days indeed.

        • Lee Enfield

          Our players don’t need to be the international best. No team will ever an entire 22 made up of the best players in the world.

          All the Wallabies need is to pick the best players in Australia in each postion and we will start winning consistently and start beating the All Blacks.

          How can we expect to beat the All Blacks more often and beat the rest of the world consistently, when we line up a utility, Jack of all trade player or not the best inthat position against the best player the Kiwis have available in that position.

          The All Blacks 22 are not all the best in the world at their position, some are, but what their 22 is, are the best available players in their positions in NZ.

          McCabe, Horne, Faingaa (s), AAC, O’Connor, Alexander, Timani (Could be), Simmons (Could be), TPN (Can be), Barnes, Robinson (Has been), are not the best available players in their respective positions for the Wallabies. Some of them don’t even play the positions they do for the Wallabies at SRU level. Some of them have been found wanting in SRU at the same position they play for the Wallabies.

          Nearly half the team, if not more, are not the best available players in their Wallabies position. This has been going on the whole time Deans has been coach, think Brown, Mumm, McCalman, Rocky post Europe, Mafu, S.Faingaa, Giteau. No wonder we keep bloody losing, nothing has changed.

        • jimmy

          My argument is more around he has had 5 years to make the considerable talent into “potentially the worlds best at X position”.

          He has done nothing – no player has been brought along under Deans, if anything, they get worse once they are in Wallabies colours.

    • http://BigFella Big Fella

      During his coaching tenure, who has he improved as a player?

      • Cantab

        McCabe.

        • The Rant

          he didnt improve him – he just ruined his body by using him as a wall and battering ram.

          Jake White on the other hand turned up this year and straight away improved mccabe in seconds – adding passing and change of direction.

      • pants

        Any of the QLD Reds or Brumbies that have never been selected for the Wallabies.

  • CraigB

    I almost hope the wallas don’t win another game tis year. I say this because despite the complete dogs breakfast that was served up on Saturday night there seems to be 0 pressure being applied by the media or aru to right this ship. I can’t recall such a period of mediocrity going unpunished. I have never seen this level of apathy in any other sport. I recall reading about how A Jones and B Dywer were actively campaigning for the top job in their day. I think Jones lost 3 tests and he was gone. Bob only lost 1 and he was out the 1st time around. It almost seems people don’t want the job.

    So if it takes oz rugby toppling over the edge and crashing absolutely to the bottom in order to bring change and action then so be it. If it happens and they can’t come back then so be it. I would rather the wallabies never take to the field again than continue to darken the image of those who have donned the gold before and given their all for the honor.

    The aru and oz rugby in general needs a complete overhaul

  • Bon

    Absolutely spot on. Deans should be given his marching orders. But why stop there?
    All New Zealand born players should also be sent packing as well. Then you could have a truly Australian team of champions.

  • Mart

    Deans = Mediocrity = Consistantly

  • nick

    where the HELL IS THE LIKE BUTTON ?

  • nick

    Oh wait I see it now BUT i can only press it once !!!

  • Mart

    Cracking article Roscoe/ Lance

    You’ve said it for everyone.

    Another point about Deans is he loves picking a tradesman. Someone not remarkable but goes about doing their.

    Fine for Super Rugby maybe but not on the international stage.

    • Red Kev

      There’s actually nothing wrong with picking tradesmen in a side, especially when you don’t have standouts to pick. The problem is that Deans picks tradesmen backs which weakens the Wallabies’ traditional strength. The Wallabies should be unleashing a backline like this Genia-Cooper-Ioane-Tapuai-Tomane-Speight-Beale with JOC off the bench, not full of plodders like McCabe, AAC, Fainga’a and Horne (Harris and Barnes are only exempt from criticism because of their goal kicking).
      Picking tradesmen like forwards that put their head down and do their job is exactly what the Wallabies need. Forwards like Palmer, Holmes, Slipper, Moore, Hanson, Wallace-Harrison, Horwill, Sharpe, Hodgson, Dennis, Mowen, Palu, Schatz, Pocock, Hooper and Gill. Guys that just shut up and deliver. All they have to work on is holding the scrum steady, their lineout and around the park work is superb; then they can unleash the brilliant backs that Australian rugby has always been built on. Instead Robbie Deans continually looks for impressive looking forwards like Timani, Polota-Nau, Kepu and Higginbotham who just don’t deliver – one such forward on the park is a great point of difference, four is a joke.

      • Mart

        I get your point there, especially with the backs.

        I mean average tradesmen. Like Richard Brown and Mcalman….Guys who got picked a lot

    • Brax

      As a tradesman I take great offense at this comment. A better analogy may have been that he’s picking bloody cowboys. Those who pretend they can do the job but in reality can’t pull it off when when it gets hard.
      But I wouldn’t expect a desk jockey to understand…..

      • Red Kev

        I prefer to think of myself as a pencil pusher or paper shuffler :)

      • Canuckruck

        Brax…..wait a f***ing minute.

        As an Albertan I object to your pejorative use of the term “cowboy”

        Hollywood cowboy maybe. Real cowboys ride bulls in rodeos…that is as awesome as being a tighthead prop.

        • Brax

          Haha,
          Well a cowboy in these parts is a shonk, a fly by nighter. Someone who talks it up but can’t deliver the goods.

          That last line sounds familiar……

        • Brax

          Real cowboys have my respect :)

        • John Wayne

          Now wait a gosh darn minute there amigo …

  • Mart

    “doing their job”

  • Robson

    I’ve thought for a long time (without having any real proof) that Deans is a rugby academic, a rugby nerd if you like. So actually coaching rugby isn’t really what he’s suited to; much less coaching an Australian national side.

    He should be doing lecture tours on rugby because being careful to be “professional” in front of his players is not going to get them to explode on to the game plan he has ever so carefully and professionally laid down for them; even if the game plan was any good.

    Not every rugby coach yells and screams, but every decent rugby coach displays intense levels of passion from time to time. Without that no coach can ever get across the message to his players that he wants them leaving their entrails on the park after 80 minutes.

    So when Deans talks about being “professional” (yelling or no yelling) that just about sums up why his players turn up on the park and play like automatons. They have never had the acid of his tongue burnt into their brains. If they had they would have played very differently to how they played last Saturday.

    In effect the Wallabies might just as well be coaching themselves. In fact they might do quite a bit better if they were.

  • Patrick

    Fark I’m a hardcore geek who sometimes conducts disputes over 3-hour softly-spoken long-winded gently-phrased teleconferences, but when I was coaching junior rugby, or even just playing, I certainly bloody shouted!

  • Reds4theWin

    The Wallabies haven’t had a decent coach since Rod McQueen. Robbie Deans has been given more then enough time. I don’t buy this whole ‘he took us from 5th to 2nd’ line.

    It doesn’t feel like we are 2nd in the World when we lose to Samoa, Ireland, Scotland and get beaten up the NZ. The rest of the world doesn’t regard us as a serious threat.

  • spectator

    It’s not just having Quade Cooper at first five, it’s having his different game dynamics complimented at second five also, which would be Berrick Barnes.

    Or if can’t be Cooper at first, then need’s to be a Beale, with Barnes as second. Something like that is getting the foot in the door for a functioning X factor type backline.

    Fainga has combination with both Barnes & Cooper, & AAC provides utility at the spot of change for any backline injuries etc

    Cooper was five against Ireland world cup yet backline still lacked, Boks near end of game Barnes slotted in & re-aligned field position & composure leading to winning penalty, Wales play-off ( who better team than Ireland & very unlucky to lose to France) Aus backline looked formidable till Cooper injury yet after still had composure with enough flair to always have the extra edge.

    The Wallies are the second best in the world currently, & perhaps the best ‘team’ in the world, but competing in the top one to three spots, there isn’t much room for not having their whole game complete, where the intangible dynamics become alot more prominent in outcomes.

    • http://www.greenandgoldrugby.com Roscoe Tims

      The thing with QC is that, sure, he may turn up and ‘do a Kurtley.’ But on the other hand, he may not. He has the potential and capacity to spark up the attack on a good day, which is what we missed last week. It’s the Australian way – fortune favours the brave (as I’ve said before).

  • Grease gun

    Spectator, did you say tangerines?

  • Whynot?

    Wallabies backs scared the shIt out of the ABs in the RWC. So much young talent – Deans selected those players & developed them. You guys are in a slump right now. Those young guys will start firing soon & a few good bounces of the ball & you will be winning not whining. PoCock injury was a bad break; Beale having a shocker was bad timing. We are talking about a few negatives. This will change. QC is a right pain but he is exciting & can make the difference. Let’s see how you do this weekend. I predict a close game.

    • murph

      Which RWC was that? 1991?

  • Dego

    Couldn’t agree more- I think you have summed up everybody’s sentiments exactly. A lot of pissed off Wallaby fans- particularly selections. I’m still seething over the Ben McCalman selection when Beau Robinson smashed all opposition in 2011.

  • Hooper for 12

    Alarm bells rang for me when I first heard RD talk rugby before the media. He couldnt string a paragraph of logically linked sentences together. I knew then that the guy was a pretender for rugby tactics and selection. And even if he did have some insight, there would be no way he could communicate them to his players, at least not effectively at the international level.

    Compare this with Link who clearly oozes tactics. I am sure the first time that Link had a 1:1 with RD discussing rugby, he nearly fell off his chair with amazement at the lack of precision that RD exhibited. This is why he writes so prominrntly in the rugby media – to demonstrate his superiority and position himself as the next man in. Plus of course having earned the role with the Reds performances.

  • KDog

    Stuff it I give up.. I am going to watch Tiddlywinks from now on. There is more contact there than a Wobblies game….

  • BigAl

    I know this is going to get your backs up but I really don’t think QC is the answer to our problems. Until he demonstrates he can play test rugby (tackle, keep his head, play tight/smart rugby) then he will always be a liability waiting to happen.

    Lots of comments about who should and shouldn’t be in the team. Unfortunately there isn’t the depth in players in Aus to call on. Take Ben Robinson for example, he is out of form, but you have to hope/pray that he finds it because if he does he is miles ahead of the next choice.

    Link ‘oozes’ tactics, I hope so!

  • Jeremy

    Just to clarify a few things re RD’s Super Rugby Career:

    In 2000 he won the title before Richie and Carter were present. He took them to victory in 2002, likewise, without these players. It was not until 2005 that Carter started at 1st 5 – they won the next two years and then in 2008. Similarly, Richie was only an All Black in 2003.

    My point is that while all these teams had good players, to simply say ‘you couldn’t lose with those two’ is a bit facetious – he won before he had them. Also you still need to provide a team structure that selects them in the first place, and then nutures them into greatness.

    Other franchises had players that at the time were just as good as these guys, but they failed to get the job done.

    I therefore think that sometimes the rhetoric on this site is a bit overblown.

    I still think he needs to leave the Wallabies though – after the team stagnates things need to change. Even though he is obviously a great Super rugby coach, for whatever reasons, be it a different culture, playing style – whatever, it hasn’t worked.

    No matter what coach you get though – you’re still going to lose. Over the last 10years the All Blacks have rediscovered there lust for forward domination – something that went missing for awhille. Concurrently, the game has changed (rule interpretations and size) so that forward play is more important than the free flowing back play you aussies love. The only thing that will turn things around for you is if you develop better forwards at the grass roots.

    • Robson

      The culture at the Canterbury franchise has always been saturated in winning rugby and THE TEAM from the Chairman right down to the the cleaners. It is one of total integration of resources. There is no room for personalities, petty jealousies or personal agendas. And it has always been the same in Canterbury since I played there in the early sixties.

      That is the environment that Robbie Deans succeeded in and frankly he wouldn’t have suceeded anywhere else in NZ at that time or any other time. Even when he was the Crusaders coach my wife used to wonder how on earth his players understood what he was talking about because neither she nor I had a clue.

      Having said that, his record did persuade me that he was exactly what Australia needed to coach the Wallabies. But after his first season I realised that he wasn’t really up to the top job in Australian rugby and that he is nothing more nor less than a very average coach. What’s more we should have been able to see that from his lamentable experience as John Mitchell’s assistant.

      He may have all the rugby nous in the universe, but when that is all distilled down to what he actually does with his players it doesn’t amount to to a hill of beans.

      Deans has got seven Super rugby titles to his name and that can never be taken away from him, but to say that he was the chief architect of all those wins is a distortion of mythical proportions.

      His tenure at the helm of Wallabies rugby will go down as some of the darkest years of the game in Australia and as a Kiwi I am immensely saddened by that.

    • johnny-boy

      Jeremy you also conveniently forget to mention that the ‘Crusaders’ won the comp with Wayne Smith as coach just before Deans took over, so was it really all Deans ? Nup, in fact his bumbling since has shown he was just a figurehead for a very well drilled organisation

    • Pedro

      You conveniently failed to mention that Smith guided them to victory twice in a row before Deans took over for a third. You keep mentioning that he won without Carter when the saders had both Merhtens and Mauger at this time. It’s not easy to win super rugby but to make out deans did it with an average team is naive.

  • Rusty

    Agree with the article and the majority of the comments. It was the first test match I have missed on purpose. Why should I waste time and money on a team that is not “our” best team. Since when do we go out to contain the all blacks. Got what we deserved. Rather have a crack and lose than slowly wilt away.

    • Queenslander

      Same Rusty. First Wallaby game I can remember missing live since about the mid seventies. Took my son to a local basketball game, watched the replay at mid night, was completely unsurprised at the result. Lets get it out there as it is bubbling away under the surface. A KIWI has no place coaching the Australian Rugby Union side, EVER. This guy was trotted out as the greatest coach of our time on the back of Super Rugby success with a team a drover’s dog could coach and a failed world cup as an assistant. A slap in the face for all Oz rugby coaches. If we don’t move quickly to secure Link he could well coach another country for big money. My mail is Deans is very likely going to be extended to the next world cup. It makes me sick that he is given the gig against the British Lions possibly the most prestigous of challenges in my at least as great an honour as a World Cup

      • murph

        You bastards! How dare you not support a team that represents you but contains virtually nobody who deserves to be there! /sarc

  • steve

    He might be a bit older but what about mark gerrard? Whenever I see him he oozes class and hes got to be better than horne/faainga. as a kiwi, its a matter of time before you guys bounce back but always kicking the ball away doesnt help your chances against dagg and co

    • http://www.greenandgoldrugby.com Roscoe Tims

      Gerrardo has gone to Japan.

  • Tangawizi

    “We need an attractive, winning product to market & sell” – Good to see I’m not the only one hoping for Argentinians girls in blue & white bikinis on the Gold Coast next month.

    • http://www.greenandgoldrugby.com Roscoe Tims

      Sadly the political correctness of these wowsers will inevitably prevent us having a good oggle…

  • geoff buckland

    I agree that robbie deans should go but saying Link is the answer is simplistic in the extreme, all the posters saying deans only won super titles because of the cattle look at who Link had in his team last year Genia possible worlds best halfback, Cooper oustanding talent having a break through year, Wallaby captain Horwill, Higginbotham also having a breakthrough year, Diggers another world class player along with some fantastic super 15 players.

    Look at Links performance with the Tahs and then the French team don’t see to many titles there.

    The biggest problem with the Wallaby’s at the moment and has been since Eddie Jones coached them is fowards are seen as a way of getting the ball to the backs and not a weapon in its own right.

  • jimmy

    Lot’s of people are going to call me a fair weather supporter for saying this but I’ve had enough of supporting this establishment. I buy tickets to all the super 15 games played in my town. I pay for Foxtel sport only so I can see the games. I get to every international I can. I went to NZ to follow the Wallabies around for the WC. I own Wallabies merchandise etc etc. I’ve been doing this since the mid 90′s.

    I’m not giving these pricks any more money until something changes. I’m convinced that half the team is only concerned about where their next sponsorship is coming from. I’m convinced the current coach is either a Kiwi plant, incompetent, or doesn’t understand the Aussie psyche. I’m convinced the administration is more concerned with playing politics and appearing at the important events than they are with improving the game in this country.

    Fans like us ranting on blogs and screaming at the TV isn’t doing any good so I’m going to start voting with my wallet. No more money for this crap.

  • Koala

    Yes Link has had some good cattle, but to say that he hasn’t had anything to do with finals is plainly wrong.

    2005 – Final (Tahs), 2006 Semis (Tahs), 2008 Final (Tahs – and name me a superstar player on that team), 2011 Champions (Reds – two years removed from the spoon), 2012 Prelim finalists (without the best atttacking weapon for part, and best forward for large swathes of the season).

    For mine though its not the appearances in the finals that is most impressive, its how malleable he has made that reds team. Everyone gets stuck into QC, and says that he isnt a test player. I think that is bullshit.

    McKenzie asked a heap of QC in the year that they were the champions, an he executed games plans as wild and exciting as the games against the chiefs and brumbies, but then as conservative as the one against the Stormers in SA (which for mine was the most impressive win of that season – finals included). Watch the games again and see how in control QC was.

    Over and over again McKenzie would adapt the the weaknesses of the opponent, give specific instructions, and QC would execute the game plan to an absolute T. contrast that too how at see QC is. He is a brilliant executor, but he isnt paid to make the it up on the fly.

  • Nabley

    One and a bit minutes to go and the Wallabies were in possession, rampant and in with a chance. Admittedly ruined by Hore ripping the ball in a maul, but it was closer than all you Turkeys care to recognise. Sure lots of poor play, but thats not Deans. Instant improvement and levelled the AB with the same score after half time, that was Deans. Face it, its a game of rugby and our guys eg Beale were not up to it. Thats not Deans about to stand before a Beak in Queensland.

  • Kiwibob

    Damn , gotta say it ; why the f..k are you using a Kiwi coach ? Don’t get me wrong Robbies a good coach, but if the ABs did’nt want him why would you ?
    Goodluck for tonights Eden Park match cause your gonna need it if your blokes turn up like last week and don’t be surprised when DC shows up QC – they’re a class apart.

  • richard

    To Bon, if you get rid of all the kiwis, how are you going to field a team?

  • Whynot?

    Wallies will play an improved game IMO. So will the ABs. Hope to see both sets of back make some great plays. ABs by 10

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