Once Were Warriors

Roscoe Tims August 11, 2012 28

No GravatarThere were no real surprises in the naming of the Wallabies squad for this year’s Bledisloe Cup Tests and the inaugural Rugby Championship.

You could perhaps quibble about the odd fringe selection but I don’t think there’s too much doubt that this squad is essentially the best that’s available.

Ignoring TRC for the momen,t the question on everyone’s lips is — does this squad contain the necessary firepower and talent to overcome a very capable All Blacks team and finally recover the Bledisloe after a decade of failure?

My heart says maybe; however, my head sadly says it might be otherwise. Two wins from three matches — maybe you’re kidding? To lift me from this potential pall I thought I’d look back to the last Bledisloe Cup success in 2001 for inspiration.

In fact, I thought I’d do a quick comparison, and when you have a look at both squads there’s probably not too much of a resemblance. In 2001, there were a solid core of world-class players. You can’t say as much about 2012.

The front row was workmanlike but with quality loose forwards and John Eales and David Giffin in the second row the pack would at least match the All Blacks eight. In the backs, Gregan and Larkham, Dan Herbert and Burke formed the core of a dangerous unit.

2001 Wallabies

Brendan Cannon Ben Darwin Matt Cockbain George Gregan Nathan Grey Chris Latham
Michael Foley John Eales George Smith Chris Whitaker Daniel Herbert Matthew Burke
Rod Moore David Giffin Phil Waugh Stephen Larkham Andrew Walker
Nick Stiles Owen Finegan Toutai Kefu Elton Flatley Joe Roff

2001 All Blacks

Anton Oliver Carl Hayman Troy Flavell Ron Cribb Pita Alatini Jonah Lomu
Mark Hammett Mark Cooksley Reuben Thorne Justin Marshall Tana Umaga Leon MacDonald
Greg Somerville Norm Maxwell Marty Holah Byron Kelleher Doug Howlett
Carl Hoeft Chris Jack Taine Randell Andrew Mehrtens Jeff Wilson

The Wallabies won the first Test in Dunedin 23-15 with Matt Burke scoring a try and the majority of points. The second Test was also won by the Wallabies in Sydney 29-26 punctuated by that memorable Kefu touchdown.

The quality of All Blacks opposition wasn’t as great as in some years especially in a forwards context, but the backs were certainly up to their best with Mehrtens, Umaga and Lomu the stand-outs.

The All Blacks team of 2012 looks to have more depth than 2001. Talk about SBW and Nonu forming a massive centre combination is a furphy in my book. Wouldn’t you rather have Cruden, Carter and SBW in the mix based on form?

And a loose forwards combination of McCaw, Read and a rampaging Liam Messam is streets ahead of anything we can front up with. Pocock matches them for sure, but he plays a lone hand.

If there’s any perceived All Blacks weakness it might be at lock, but I’d much rather have a Retallick or a Romano (in particular) in my team than a work-shy Timani…

Andrew Blades talks up our scrum prospects but history isn’t necessarily on his side. I can’t recall too many scrums in the past decade where we’ve dominated the All Blacks pack. It doesn’t normally happen when The Myth and the Franks boys are around, especially when a penalty magnet like Alexander is playing for us.

I have a feeling that Robbie isn’t going to select QC in the starting XV, or indeed the 22 if he goes for a 5/2 split. I think this would be a mistake.

Sure, Berrick had a great Welsh series but we need a firing QC to give us that extra bit of class or X-factor to overcome this quality AB team. I’d play Berrick at inside centre.

On the up side for the Wallabies is that Conrad Smith isn’t going to be around for those first couple of games. He’s probably the best outside centre in the world, so that’s a plus.

In my view Digby Ioane is a crackerjack winger and on top of his game, and of course Will Genia stands head and shoulders above the rest. I’m not sure the forwards are going to be able to dominate in the collisions and at counter-rucking — sure, this may have happened in Brisbane last year, but that was a one-off.

The 2001 Wallabies side was an exceptional unit, although when you look the depth it wasn’t quite as assured as you might have thought (Graeme Bond, James Holbeck, Mark Connors etc.).

If I recall, there were recent times where we’ve had loads of difficulty with restarts, lineouts and other set-piece activities. Sharpie provides some experience but even a good hand such as Benn Robinson hasn’t been in any sort of form for years.

I reckon this is going to be another barren year for the Bledisloe. I’d like to be positive, but the Scotland loss and Super Rugby results have left me cold.

Date Time Teams Venue Location
25 Aug 5:30 pm All Blacks vs. Wallabies Eden Park Auckland
20 Oct 8:00 pm Wallabies vs. All Blacks Suncorp Stadium Brisbane
18 Aug 8:00 pm Wallabies vs. All Blacks ANZ Stadium Sydney

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  • Sully

    unfortunately i have to agree Lance. this could be a very barren year for australia.

    • Roscoe Tims

      I actually think we’re going to be seriously under-powered against both the ABs & Bokke. Just can’t see where we are ahead of these guys?

      • Mart

        I think you’re spot on about QC. We’ve gotta use him, cause we need some sort of X factor. As seen from his boring selections in the centres in the past, Robbie will probably go with the conservative option.

        Him and Barnes worked well together in the Welsh world cup game.

  • mw

    For mine Digby would be world class if he was scoring tries and he has been below par this year in this respect. I have no problems with the effort he puts in though.

    • Who?

      You can’t judge Digby as a winger for the Wallabies this year. Or really the Reds, either, given they had their backline shuffled inside out through the year, playing their 6th choice 10. A winger is a bloke who sits wide, counter attacks, is given space to size up his man one-on-one. Digby’s more likely to have come round the corner of the ruck as a one out runner into a wall of defense. That’s the job of loose forwards, not wingers. But it’s the only way he’s gotten the ball. Especially for the Wallabies. Take a look at Scott Allen’s analysis if you want to know why…

      And whilst I completely agree we’re very long shots this year, I think the selection IS questionable. It’s never not questionable from Robbie. Why is Samo there? Or Schatz? Why not Mowen and Auelua? Why do we have 3 halfbacks for two positions, but only four wingers/fullbacks?

      And please no Barnes at 12… He’s too fragile. McCabe hasn’t been horrible for the Brums, but that’s the difference between a quality coaching team and the rabble that is Robbie’s squad. The Brums give Pat clear direction on where and when to run, Robbie expects 15 players to figure it out for themselves. Which ends up with half of them putting themselves in the wrong position.

  • Jay-c

    Wallabies to put in a defensive effort for the ages and frustrate the blacks into errors with pressure unlike they have seen in years~

  • Nick

    What a load of tripe – Foley was no world beater nor Ben Darwin – neither were some Of those All Blacks much chop either

  • No4918

    If Cooper isn’t 10 I’ll be putting money on Black.

  • No4918

    If Cooper isn’t 10 I’ll be doubling up on Black.

  • J-Rugby

    Leaving QC out of the run on side and further still out the 22 would be a huge mistake … He may be a bit ‘hot and cold’ but as you have said his ‘X’ factor stretches defenses, keeps them guessing and above all may result in tries … At lease put Beale at 10 before Barnes!

    • Jkb

      If Robbie picks Quade, which he should but might not, he needs to let him run the attack like he does for the reds. What you don’t see on TV is Quade constantly barking orders and directing the attack from the back, which has worked extremely well for the reds. This is probs why he hasn’t had as much of an impact for the wallabies, because Robbie won’t give him the reins.

      • Reds mad

        Goss is Quade won’t be at run on at 10. Barnes and his boot have got that role. A lot comments are bang on about Deans and QC, Deans is far too structured for Quade, rumors had it at the WC Deans was doing Quade’s head in badly. No wonder Deans thinks McCabe is captain quality because he does what he’s told. We all know what happens to players who don’t follow Deans line don’t we George Smith, Matt Giteau, Nathan Sharpe until he realised and Phil Waugh.

  • mw

    It’s lovely to have faith in QC but he was very ordinary in the RWC last year and has only played a handful of games since. I would like to see more evidence.

    • The Other Dave

      Because he had Horne and McCabe outside him, with no discernable attack pattern. The reason he works so well with the Reds is that they attack with purpose. Cooper at 10, Barnes 12, somebody who can defend solidly at 13 (and Tapuai ACTUALLY BEING USED off the bench), back three from Beale, Ioane, Shipperley, Mitchell.

  • Hooper for 12

    For the first time in a decade I have the feeling we might be about to see tight five dominance over the ABs. I like the look of a Slipper / TPN / Kepu front row, and Sharpie leads it in champagne form. Also like the noise-bites coming from McGahan and Blades. Considered. Determined. Confident.

    I would play ball in hand, pick and gos down the blind side, avoiding turnovers and maximising our line out dominance. And run set piece plays aimed at isolating Nonu at 13 in defence. For this you need Cooper at 10 with probably Barnes at 12.

    • Roly hei hei

      Are you crazy? Wallabies dominate tight five? Whatever your smoking I’ll have an ounce.

  • Steve

    I believe Quade had an ordinary RWC because he had wooden players inside him, McCabe = no attacking options. When he had Barnes at 12 he/we looked much better!
    10: QC, 12: Barnes, 13: AAC

  • Graeme

    I agree with the others on this thread. No doubt it will be won or lost in the forwards (probably lost), but if the inside pairing is anything other than QC and Barnes then I’ll be going out and buying an all black jumper and Robbie will have succeeded in his ulterior motive!

  • Robson

    Hmmm, well I think the success of the Wallabies in the RC is an issue that is centred squarely on “potential”. The ABs have been playing right up to their potential for quite a while now and when the odd All Black pops up who appears to be under done at test match level he gets replaced by someone who is at the top of his game.

    But the ABs individually and collectively are not going to get any better. They have peaked and although it seems that they can, and probably will, stay at this peak well into the forseeable future, the Wallabies are performing well below their potential.

    I think there is a lot more that can be squeezed out of them yet; especially in the forwards. But the backs too need be given the structures to allow the creative juices to flow.

    So on the face of it I tend to agree that the Wallabies will struggle against the ABs and the Boks (and the Pumas in Argentina), but I also think that the Wallabies vision needs to be focused on growing into the full shadow of their potential. That should be addressed in the clear understading that what they have delivered to their country so far is quite a bit short of what they really have to give.

    IMHO Robbie Deans is incapable of that, but maybe there are a couple of people around him now who are.

    I am hoping so any way.

  • Redsfan1

    Every year the Wallabies lose to the All Blacks the codes declines just a little further.

    It seems like some of the players don’t have much passion for the Gold Jersey as they did in 2001. Timani is a perfect example of this. He doesn’t look interested when he is there. Same with Palu. McCabe and Horne are very ordinary and clearly aren’t smart enough to try new things in attack.

  • Sohail

    1. Kepu
    2. Polota-Nau
    3. Robinson
    4. Simmons
    5. Sharpe
    6. Dennis/Higginbotham (if Palu’s fit)
    7. Pocock
    8. Higgers/Palu

    9. Genia
    10. Quade
    11. Digby
    12. Barnes
    13. AAC
    14. Mitchell
    15. Beale

    16. Moore
    17. Slipper
    18. Timani
    19. Hooper
    20. Gill
    21. White
    22. Shipperley

    • Timbo

      Swap out Simmon for Douglas and you have my run on.

  • Gnostic

    The RC has the real potential IMO to be worse than barren. I see a real possibility of the Wallabies dropping their game at Argentina (away). Indeed far more accomplished and established Wallaby sides have fallen at such a hurdle. I have no faith at all that Deans can a) construct tactics to win against Arg (away) let alone against the Bok and ABs (even at home) and b) select accordingly to execute said game plan.

    I think it is not outside the realms of reasonable possibility that the Wallabies will finish 4th in the RC and I think they their best chance is a 3rd place.

    • Robson

      I guess the bonus of that (if it is a bonus) is that there is a third place to get. Under the tri nations set up 3rd was last.

  • Pete

    2002? Or are we trying to blot that one out cos Mat Rogers scored the crucial try? It’s the only Bled we’ve won vs McCaw…

  • Jimbo81

    dud selsctions will kill us.

  • chasmac

    I’m not a fan of Deans the coach.
    The Brumbies and the Reds were the 2 best aussie S15 teams. Both of these teams were well coached and had more structure than the wallabies have had under Deans.
    I personally believe that QC is able to unleash his X factor when there is more structure around him. Deans therefore cannot get the best out of him.
    Similarly, Lilo would struggle to bring his S15 form to the Wallabies because of the different styles of coaching.
    Slim pickings for the Wallabies is my forecast for the RC.

  • redbull

    Lots of fixation on the ABs. Can’t see us winning the ball against Read-Messam-McCaw. The fixation with ABs will then result in suitably embarrassing assaults/ambushes from Boks and Pumas.

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