One More Year: Bledisloe One 2012

Jack Norton August 19, 2012 115

No GravatarThe Wallabies have lost 27-19 to the All Blacks in a miserable and mistake-ridden performance in Sydney.

It was only two tries to one but the scoreline didn’t reflect the match. The All Blacks left three or four tries on the park and were much more dangerous in attack and rock solid in defence.

Australia weren’t in the game during the first half, it looked more like an opposed training run for New Zealand, who had almost all the ball and controlled the pace of the game completely.

While the ABs looked dangerous, they let the Wallabies off the hook with some poor execution at crucial times.

The Wallabies couldn’t capitalise. They were impatient and got white line fever a couple of times once they were down 10 points after 20-odd minutes.

The ABs crossed the line first with an Israel Dagg special. Dagg was everywhere and deservedly won the official man-of-the-match award.

Cory Jane scored the All Blacks’ second try after a scrum from a disastrous Kurtley Beale knock-on. SBW was a decoy runner and the backs just ran around the Wallaby flank.

From there the Wallabies were playing catch-up and never really looked like taking the lead, let alone the game.

With just a minute to go in the first half, a try to Nathan Sharpe gave the scoreline some respectability and provided some hope of a second half resurgence.

Sharpie crashed over after sustained pressure and half-breaks from Berrick Barnes and Digby Ioane. It was simple, direct and fast and it worked.

Barnes  and Carter started the second half trading penalty goals and the Wallabies produced more controlled rugby in  both defence and attack.

While there was more composure and patience from the Wallabies, execution and a couple of unlucky calls stopped them whenever they started to look threatening.

The ABs made breaks often enough but the Wallaby defence held, and poor passes and knock-ons kept the Wallabies in the game.

There were some positives for us and while they were well and truly outweighed by the negatives they’re worth mentioning.

Nathan Sharpe was impressive at the lineout and was constantly trucking it up in centre field. In an average bunch, Sharpie gets the G&GR Man of the Match award.

He partnered well with Timani who made some good runs and tackled well when he wasn’t in the blood bin.

Genia had a good game, as did Ioane, but the bright spots were few and far between.

The centre pairing of Horne and Faingaa shut down Sonny Bill but that left space for Dagg, Jane and Gear to roam.

Kurtley Beale had a shocker and simply hasn’t had enough game time. It’s obvious he was there for the X-factor and slotted in at first receiver a lot but he was simply underdone.

After the game he tweeted ‘Worst performance in my career ever!!! #FACT #plainandsimple.’

The Wallabies back rowers outplayed by their Kiwi opposites and David Pocock was heavily and effectively targetted.

The second half showed both teams to be more than a little rusty and short on game time.

Full time came with a penalty to Dan Carter after the Wallabies scrum was penalised five metres out.

It’s a sad old story but even though both teams were below par, the All Blacks were still better than the Wallabies at home.

With next week’s game at Eden Park, where Australia haven’t beaten the ABs since 1986, it looks like the Bled might be staying over the ditch for another year.

New Zealand 27 (Dagg, Jane tries, Carter conv., Carter 5 pens) def. Australia 19 (Sharpe try, Barnes conv., Barnes 4 pens)

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Discussion

  • Red Kev

    One more year?
    Try two more years – next year the All Blacks host two matches, the Wallabies won’t win in New Zealand – at least not if Deans is still at the helm.

    • Jack Norton

      I meant one more year til we have the chance of going for it again, not thinking we’ll win it!

      • Red Kev

        Fair enough.
        Watching the Pumas at the moment. They would kill the Wallabies if they were playing, great breakdown work so far (15 mins in).

    • Gary Owen

      Beally good or Beally bad?
      Kurtley deserved man of the match for his outstanding performance in the latest All Black win over the Kiwi coached Wallabies. Two wonderful try-making tackles ensured victory for the ABs.
      His breath-taking performance was rounded out by a comprehensive display of mistake-ridden rugby.
      I am at a loss to understand why Kurtley is not captain of the team.

  • Dovester

    God that was painful. In the backs, the trio of Barnes, Finger and Horne simply have no x-factor and offered nothing in attack. Quade will come back in next week and hopefully that will mean Barnes at 12. I’d keep Horne at 13 just for continuity’s sake. Beale had a shocked but we know what he’s capable of, he’ll be back.

    Was quite pleased with Timani, he was good in the scrum and put in a few good hits, although his ball carrying was too one-dimensional. Dennis didn’t step up and to be honest I don’t know if he’s anything more that a S15 player. I’d bring in Hooper. He had a stellar season, is a good ball-carrier and will give the ABs something else to think up other than just completely focussing on Pocock, which they did very well. First time in years I don’t think I’ve seen him pull off a pilfer in 80 mins of rugby. And I don’t see too much problem with having two scavengers.

    Overall was a pretty bleak performance. These guys need to front up and start smashing some black jerseys or next week could get a little bit messy.

  • Knackers

    Wallabies have been in decline for several years now. Where have all our hard blokes gone? We were getting bullied around the park at our own ground.

    All this farking tweeting, semi naked castol ads, arse patting, tattoos, hairstyling and makeup is what half the problem is. Our boys talk it up, those dickheads at FOX talk them up even more and every year the Kiwis dish up their usual, clinical dose of reality – they don’t talk it up, they just get out there and hammer the living shit out of us. We could not make the game line, just about every player of theirs would get to and beyond the game line. They played like their lives depended on it. We give those pricks across the ditch too much respect – fuck the haka, fuck Graham Henry and fuck New Zealand. Get Steve Waugh in for a pre-match blasting of national pride and focus and send them out onto the ground in Auckland in a blood thirsty rage hell bent on hurting the kiwis and restoring some national pride.

    I’m sick of losing. The Wallabies lose a shit load these days. Where has the mongrel gone? Shit I’m angry, I need to calm down.

    • sph45

      gain line, not game line!

    • Skyblue

      Yeah ok big tough guy…you try doing that at eden park.our players are too small fullstop.i dont blame them for not having pride in the gold jersey its dead.

    • Skyblue

      I hope the fox and the rest of the media learnt from this..stop hyping this team up.lets be critical,put pressure on them to perform. All that crap about our scrum being ready to take on the blacks and then get smashed off for a tighthead which shouldnt be happening at this level.the paul roos secret weapon? I didnt see anything different.how about digby telling us theyve got a masterful game plan to close down nonu and sbw.they obviously forgot about the other 13 players.our players spend too much time talking in front of the camera.ffs practice your passing and catching you knobs.ohwel we’l get takin for another ride this week.

      • Another Dave

        The sentiment is correct. Your punctuation, spelling and grammar leave a lot to be desired. Almost unreadable.

        “ohwel we’l get takin for another ride this week.” – FFS.

  • sph45

    I don’t normally do this, but I am going to now.

    We have zero midfield penetration, either play making or running. We are ok in defense in the midfield; better when McCabe is there, but that is not an option right now.

    I think Cooper needs to be at 5/8. When he and Genia work together, they really work together, the understand each other, and they create a genuine, double-barrel, 9-10 threat. Cooper has to stay in that channel in defense. He doesn’t tackle well but he simply must learn and in the meantime he does at least slow runners down and is not a revolving door most of the time. When on attack, his playmaking can confound the opposition, and is not all hail mary – he does have good kicking game and an improving, calmer, strategic game.

    Then put Barnes at inside centre. This has always been his natural position. He can run, kick, pass and defend solidly.

    Then I think Diggers at outside centre. He can’t pass, but he can defend and he can run straight or step through traffic. I mean I don’t know how many times he is said to be “looking for work” in the midfield – just stick him there and then he doesn’t have to look for work – he can just, well, work!

    Beale at fullback.

    I don’t know about the wings. I want Mitchell to be back to his best. None of our wingers excite me terribly at the moment – they are not scary attacking threats.

    AAC isn’t a winger – he is a genuine utility player and although not particularly an impact player I think he should nevertheless be on the bench.

    As for the forwards, I have no idea. I want to believe in our capacity there, but I don’t really…

  • The Rant

    So obviously I’m disappointed a losing. But worse still was the fact that around the 60th minute of a bledisloe test match, one still very much alive with scores only 5 or points apart – AND I WAS BORED. I think that there were only 2 short passages of play in each half where the wallabies played good footy.
    NZ always seem to be one step ahead of deans. They scored 2 tries by correctly guessing that deans would focus on countering nonu and williams. As it played out those 2 were kept quiet all night, i barely even noticed noun was there. I’ve seen a lot of online bitching about the centers, but to be honest – they were not the issue tonight.
    You’ll never beat NZ if you can’t beat them up front – and this was one of the worst breakdown efforts I’ve seen for a while. Completely disagree with sharpies MOTM – 2 or 3 turnovers at critical times from him, not helped by ineffective and often slow support play. they were smashing us off the ball, thankfully roland penalized the kiwis for doing it from the side but still we were getting monstered by men who are NOT bigger and heavier.
    Barnes played ok apart from one bad pass. He’s got to stay in the 15. You can bet Bob Dwyer is going to mention Genia slow motion passing. He always took a big step and wound up to pass and that extra second meant we weren’t getting the ball on the front foot.
    Glad to hear KB admits it was one of his worst nights at the office, cause it really fucking was. He made the mistakes that gave the darkness both the scoring opportunities and then missed the final tacklesin both.Nothing worked for him. What shits me the most is deans has no guts to make a call when its clear we have a guy who’s not cutting it to hook him,Could have put drew on a drop aac back. We had 3 clean shirts on the bench at the 80th minute…same old story.
    Hopefully next week they can do what pocock said they need to do – make the gain line and hold on to their ball.

    • Who?

      Can’t blame Sharpie if his support left him isolated at the breakdown. He got turned the wrong way once, but even then his support should’ve blown over the top of him. The second time, all the Aussie support players were tackled BEHIND the ruck,and Richie dove over the ruck before Mealamu went to grab the ball. It looked questionable (how can you tackle the bloke behind the ball carrier before he gets to the ball carrier without coming in fromthe side?), and it wasn’t good enough (from our pack).

      It’s odd that Cooper – who’s played uninjured since he returned – wasn’t fit enough to be considered, yet Beale, who’s not played a full game between June and tonight, was considered fit…

      And whilst I’d love to see a halfback who passed from the ground, you can’t blame Genia for all that slow ball. Who was he going to pass it to? There was rarely an option. Our attack didn’t ask a single hard question.

  • James

    strange thing is as utterly shit as we were, if we didn’t have beale at 15 we may just have won!

    he had a howler and should be dropped, i don’t give a shit about ‘potential’, we need results and if robbie has enough brains to bring QC at 10, then we dont need to gamble on Beale at 15 for any more ‘X’ factor.

    not the only change that needs to be made but the rest have and will be done to death in the rest of the comments.

    oh and pocock still ain’t a captain.

  • Hooper for 12

    The Blacks just appear to be able to adjust so seamlessly and strategically during the game as a 15. We on the other hand look so one-out. No quick huddles at breaks hatching the next play, geeing each other up etc

    I blame this crap philosophy that Deans sold the ARU on when he won the gig – “Aussie players are too structured, they need to learn to play whats in front of them.”. This equals in reality a complete denial of responsibility by the coach – if the game goes wrong the fault is player skill not coaching skill.

    Robbie – Home. Its over.

    • johnny-boy

      You nailed it there HF12. You might recall Haskell? from England recently saying after his stint with Highlanders? that NZ players didnt know much about opponents but just did thier thing. That’s because they grow up with rugby as an all pervasive religion. Australians on the other hand don’t and need more direction and structure by comparison. Deans just doesnt understand and as you say is using it as a sneaky excuse to avoid blame. It’s about time Deans started owning his own reality.

  • Dave

    You’re all class.

  • Hooper for 12

    Im getting a bit of a tailwind here.

    For me, the most exciting thing in rugby is watching a set piece, first phase, worked move try. Thats it – a structured play, well drilled and executed, which is too good for the defence. This is also what gets selected and replayed over and over again in the highlights package for the game. Lets not forget the game struggles for support at home. In a very competitive sports market.

    Summary – Deans needs to go and JON, who I generally think is a great sports administrator, must lose substantial marks for concurring with this approach.

  • Hooper for 12

    I mean, even Shane Warne used to get off the plane and state that he had developed a new “mystery ball”. The guy had his opponents worried about what “play” he had developed before he even bowled. The game was balf won before a ball was bowled. Why cant we do the same thing with structured, set piece moves????

  • Hooper for 12

    One last rant.

    Robbie said after today’s game that “set piece first phase tries should never be scored at this level.”. Why mot Robbie? Surely this is the attacking teams best chance – for one, half the defence is tied up in a scrum, and for seconds, provided the set piece is midfield or with a decent blindside, you divide the remaining defenders.

    Bring back the First Phase Try!!!

    • Cringing

      Didn’t the ABs score out wide off a scrum when Beale knocked on ? Wtf is deans on about? Set price plays used t b our thing didn’t it. .. Remember ….Aussie backline speed…..where’s it gone?

      • Cringing

        Thats set piece not set price ( insidious capitalism encroaching on the sacred – what’s happening to me )

  • Hooper for 12

    Its all or nothing next weekend – throw your best attacking threat at it, because if you dont win, it doesnt matter if you loose by 100.

    Samo at 8, Higgers at 6, with Hooper to definitely get a run at some point. QC at 10, Barnes 12, AAC 13, Mitchell, Diggers & Beale.

    Keep the front 5, with Slipper to get more time – maybe even start over Fat Cat.

  • Dave

    Totally outclassed by an AB team that never really got out of second gear due to unforced errors. The only reason the score has some respectability to it is that the ABs were crap too. They’ll be better next week, at home, with the Bledisloe to win, all the while knowing the WBs will improve too so stepping up to counter that. It’s as good as theirs. I can’t believe we can improve to the point where a victory at Eden park is possible.

    I’m now officially on the bandwagon of getting rid of Deans. I’ve been holding out for the RC to truly commit, but now I’m there.

    An inept performance from a team that had so much time to prepare. No excuse for tonight. We telegraphed our focus on their midfield and they played it perfectly. SBW and Nonu did the equivalent of waving their arms around and yelling “Hey look, you’re shoes are untied” while Dagg, Jane and pretty much everyone else showed us up.

    The Rant has it spot on calling Deans out on his inability to make substitutions. Swallow your pride man. You’d think it was 2009 the way he sticks to his guns regardless of getting his arse handed to him because he refuses to replace tired or under performing players. I was half hoping Pocock would go off with that cork to give Hooper a run. It was the only way he was ever going to. And we needed something unpredictable and fresh. We were just, stale.

    Also Pocock who has always been guilty of giving away penalties, what No.7 isn’t, made errors in judgement tonight that were uncharacteristically idiotic. Right in front of the posts he gave away two that were always going to be penalties. Every day of the week. What’s been going on in their training camps?

    Nothing tactical or deceptive about the game plan nor the execution. Our mid field too predictable and one dimensional, our forwards not hard enough, our skill level below par and our coach out of his depth.

    No. 2 in the world? How?

    Not. Good. Enough.

  • Hooper for 12

    “You train how you want to play”.

    Is what we saw today how we have been training for the last month?

  • slayer

    your pretty much right in most of what you say jimbo but your bravado and arrogance is unwarranted. fact is the kiwi’s are grateful and love that union is the 3rd/4th rate sport in australia (you’d be fucked otherwise) hell by the looks of it even mummy would make your slender 70 kilo frame his bitch.

    shit display again by the wallabies but i think the days of henry inspired AB dominance are well off the cards now, the ABs looked very beatable to me. pity the opposition were led by the worst coach in world rugby, dingo-reward-me-4failure-deans! we wont do anything remarkable with this fuck wit leading the team

    • F Potenza

      lol @ slayer.

      You’re full of #### mate. Do you realise that Aus has more registered rugby players than NZ now? How can that be you ask…. well perhaps something to do with the fact that Sydney alone has more people than the whole of NZ! So the old ‘rugby is not a popular sport here in Aus’ excuse is a little redundant. Try again.

      Also re Deans… ummm this same coach is the most successful coach EVER in Super rugby. Hmmmm what’s the variable?? … Well believe it or not, but those Aussie players seem to be the difference between the successful part of his career and the unsuccessful part!

      • John Philipson

        Actually F Potenza, the argument is not redundant. Perhaps you should lay off the puffery (see bullshit). I refer you to the latest IRB annual report, which at p11 lists the amount of registered rugby players in Australia and New Zealand (86,952, Australia vs 137,835, NZ).

        Here is the link http://www.irb.com/mm/document/newsmedia/mediazone/02/04/21/65/2042165_pdf.pdf

        Two final things, the number of players is not the only measure of a country’s commitment to a sport (while a good one) the NZ government bankrolls the NZRU and its various franchises. The Australian government is much more balanced in its funding across: cricket, tennis, soccer and rugby.

        NZ puts all its eggs in a couple of baskets (rowing, netball and rugby) – so the argument does stand, if Australia had the same commitment to Rugby Union as New Zealand, there is no doubt they would be much more competitive.

        J.

      • Skyblue

        Dont forget basketball john philipson they won that aswel.

  • http://www.dumptackle-rugbyblog.com Phil Bailey

    I have to say, that was a pretty disappointing performance from the wallabies. They stayed in the game late on mostly because the AB’s left quite a lot of tries out on the park.

    Once they get some momentum it could be quite ominous for everyone else.

    I thought Deans was a good selection as coach when he was appointed, but am beginning to wonder if it’s just not the right fit. The tactics don’t seem to be appropriate for these players. Who would take over though??

    There’s a write up on the game on the link below btw:

    http://www.dumptackle-rugbyblog.com/2012/08/dynamite-dagg-reproduces-world-cup.html

  • boutbloodytime

    When I was a kid in my U/12 & U/14s cricket teams, if we dropped a catch or misfielded at training, or bowled a wide etc, you dropped & did 10 pushups there & then & did a lap of the oval for every mistake after training (that’s where my 10 pushups for swearing rule comes from in my family)…if we weren’t up to scratch at training, the coach would make the whole team do the ‘penance’ for any mistake, even if it wasn’t you that made the mistake.

    The result- we got fit & we did everything to make sure we were doing the basics well & weren’t doing pushups or running laps after training. It was up to the team to get the weak links up to speed on skills by focussing on more practice in a particular skill for a certain player etc. Consequently, our standards lifted & we comfortably won the premiership those years.

    The point? It forced us to do the basics well & it made us want to do the basics well so we didn’t let our mates down and they didn’t have to do ‘penance’ for someone else’s stuff-ups.

    I’m not suggesting our U12 & U14 cricket team is anything like the Wallabies in actuality, except that the principle holds true…you stuff up, you pay & in a team sport, one guy stuffs up & everybody pays on the scoreboard.

    Ultimately, the Wallabies need to do some serious ‘penance’ for the poor basic skill execution that was Bledisloe game 1. I’d love to see K Beale dropping & giving 10 in the in goal area at a stoppage in play for a lineout or scrum, instead of twittering about how crap he was afterwards.

    And then to see 22 Wallabies doing laps of ANZ stadium after the game might restore some humility to some of the glamour boys in the side & get some support from the fans to demonstrate that something visible & practical is being done to right the wrongs…and the coaching staff need to be out there doing the ‘penance’ with the players….gets rid of the ‘us’ & ‘them’ culture that seems to exist between players & staff…

    Then we can work on a gameplan, cos if you can’t catch & pass & do the basics, what use is a F@%king gameplan?

  • Jimbo

    Ironically some of you are offended by my last comments. Phew did you think of the ex Wallabies who watched that trash? Did any of you actually look at the fantastic phase by phase breakdown of the Wallies last week that GnG put up? It was a really good analysis, no I’m not crowing because I am a 6ft 2 97kg Kiwi…sorry to ruin your illusion that I was some puny weakling. But that was a poor showing, the pits to be honest. A Dingo didn’t steal a baby he stole your bloody rugby.

    • muffy

      I’m actually a super model……honest

    • pants

      Nice try Jimbo. I don’t see anyone getting upset by anyone calling the Wallabies crap. We all know it. We’re all tired of it. We’re all waiting for the people in charge to get rid of Robbie. He’s had far more chances than any Aussie coach has ever had to prove himself and has comprehensively failed. The guy who said he was a good talent scout got it wrong. Look at his selections. Rob Horne in the midfield. I mean for farks sake, what has he ever done? Kurtley Beale got picked, which i can understand based on form but then NOT picking QC using the excuse of him not having enough S15 rugby this year is just pure contradiction. I think QC probably spoke his mind about why he plays brilliantly under Link and gets made to look like shite playing under Robbie. The reason being the midfield selections are all wrong. He’s taken what used to be an Australian strength of intelligent, flowing brilliant backline rugby and destroyed it. Now we have average non ball playing, small midfield players that can’t pass the ball. That is the saddest part about where the Wallabies are today.

      • pants

        i meant ‘past form’ re Kurtley’s selection..but how crap was he! That was even more keystone cops than, oh, the last time we played the ABs. We seem to save our worst for them.

      • Jimbo

        Pant’s mate don’t get me wrong. I’m not crowing I actually like good Aussie teams. Get’s the adrenaline pumping and it means a lot when you get that win against them. Tim Horan just pip’s Jeff Wilson as my all time fave player by the way. That’s how highly I rate you guys.

        But I am utterly amazed that the ARU never looked at Deans role in the 2003 AB cock up. He was disliked by a lot of the players even then. Further that mate a whole bunch of my compatriots were saying they’d support Australia if Deans wasn’t the AB’s coach. Oh the irony…those Cantab’s must be weeping into their beer now.

        Yeah, Aussie Rugby was on a slight downer after Eddie Jones. But it has since turned terminal and has gone backward. Deans is a great talent spotter in the back line don’t get me wrong, but strategy wise forget it. I also agree how many more chances can this guy get? I mean in the past when the AB’s have thumped you guys occasionally. The next week or so you jokers came out snarling and or you’ve improved to take it too us.

        But say if last night was a 40 or 50 point belting in Sydney, which in all reality it could well have been if the ref wasn’t such a dick and the AB’s weren’t so slack. I just can’t for the life of me see Dingo’s guys come back at us the week after. Sure the Wallies might win one game. Say the least important one of the series. But it doesn’t tell you anything. I just don’t think Dingo understands the Rugby mentality in Australia. A bloke like McKenzie should go and do some coaching overseas and comeback. He would be the total go. While Australia lacks a little depth. It still has a wicked pool of talent. I think that some foreign experience with a limited talent pool would be a great learner for him.

        I’ve posted this idea before, it’s what Dingo should have done before taking on the Aussie job.

        • Dally M

          You obviously slept thru the years Link coached Stade Francais in France, overseas…

  • Joe

    If it weren’t for such a whistle happy referee and the All Blacks bombing 2 or 3 certain tries, the scoreline could’ve been much more embarrassing for the Wallabies. Rolland kept them in the game, and prevented a smooth and entertaining match up.

    Smashed up front, and bamboozled out wide by the fleet footed Jane and Dagg while SBW and Nonu decoyed on offense and tackled like machines on defence.

    All Blacks were completely dominant in all areas, and full credit to them for putting the Wallabies under immense pressure for the entire game, as well as winning away from home. The denial of a potential bonus point was the nail in the coffin for an abysmal and pathetic Australian performance.

  • Dougs

    When you fill the team with ‘tahs players, you play like the ‘tahs.

    I say pick the Brumbies, but sub in Genia, Cooper, Pocock, Sharpie and Hugh Pyle.

    Giddyness.

    • Ads

      I’m a little amazed we are still getting this (it’s cos there are too ma

      • Ads

        hit return dammit. I’m amazed we are still getting the “its cos there are too many tahs” stuff. They were ALL crap. Higgers, Genia, Beale, Robinson – every province excelled in failure. The stench of festuring turd was overpowering. The thing that drives me INSANE is how they cannot catch and pass and execute the basics. WTF DO THEY DO ALL DAY?!

  • pem890

    Genia played well ? standing like a dolt at the back of the scrum – waiting for the defence to organise – only near the end did we get quick ball and things started to improve. I’m fully with Bob Dwyer on this one. Dingo should have subbed him to give our backs a chance at some ball with Phipps. Barnes played well ? how about the stupid kicks ? and how can players at this levels use a chip kick as first attacking option on at least 3 occasions is beyond me.

  • John

    These comments below sum it for me completely…

    quote” New Zealand had it easy – despite the scoreline and the late blast from the Wallabies. New Zealand owned the gainline. They owned the Australians at the collisions. Hit them hard in front of the line and buried them – not letting them have one easy inch.

    Rugby these days is a game of momentum and the All Blacks denied Australia on that front all night. Strangely, they didn’t need to wind up their scrummaging and get the annihilation done there – they were so dominant everywhere else that it had the same effect: the Wallabies were forced to run laterally, to kick badly and to spend much of the game scrambling backwards.

    David Pocock might have been playing – it was hard to tell. Will Genia was, but he could only make it known in flashes and with those two shut down, the Wallabies had nowhere to go: nothing to offer.

    They actually hung in for a surprisingly long time, but that was more to do with sloppy All Black finishing. The lack of game time enjoyed by some players was obvious at times: there were plenty of points squandered – poor handling and occasional poor decision-making the causes.

    That’s the big worry for the Wallabies: the All Blacks can fix that easily enough. The mistakes will drop out next week in Auckland with a game in the system now. But what of the Wallabies? Can they fix their chronic lack of physicality? Can they somehow find the aggression, linespeed and brutality that were never on show last night? unquote”

    The AB’s are only going to get more efficient and in the groove next week…I feel sorry for the Wallabies.

    John

  • Jack

    As much as I admired Deans when he took over as coach, it is now obvious something is very wrong. The only way now to prove if that is the coach, is to get rid of him.
    But don’t be surprised if that doesn’t fix things. The players out there last night just didn’t have the basic skills to compete, slow ball, sloppy handling, pathetic defense and at times brainless decision making.
    I think at the moment you just haven’t got the depth of players available with the required talent to compete against this All Black side. Not one team in the finals of the Super Comp says it all really, and is that where your next coach is coming from?
    A bit like the Warriors really, build their fans up with the occasional win, but then let them down with displays like last nights incompetent, heartless effort.

  • muffy

    Why was Beal not pulled when it was apparent he was shite, Drew put on the wing and AAC to fullback. Seemed obvious to me, am I missing something here?

    Moore has got to start. TPN is tough and a tryer, but moore offers more.

    I need to give Timani an apology, never been a fan, but (although still needs to polish his game) he played well and gave us some mch needed crunch. Dennis went missing, a good 6 should leave his mark on the game.

    Genia is going to give me a heart attack with this look at me bullshit, staring at the ball at the base of a Ruck! How many times were we turned over immediately following a pause at the break down while everyone realigned.

  • first time long time

    Why can’t the guys who spend the whole super 15 beating the snot out of opposition players get a run instead of guys getting picked out of some sense of loyalty pride or on “potential”.

    The one out stuff is rubbish but if you are going to do it RUN ON TO THE BALL, don”t stand there and move the ruck backwards and sideways 1m.
    Why can’t the forwards run onto the ball of half or 5/8 at speed in multiple waves giving these guys options.
    If the defence is up to it and they get smashed well be it at lest they are providing a test and a game to watch.

    Get Fardy and AWH in there with Sharpie. Those 2 are all mongrel, knees and elbows and no fun for anyone to tackle.
    Set them loose inside and outside COOPER

    Horne???? what does he have to do to get dropped because he has tried everything. Was he having a massage between his good tackle in the first minute and the last 5 in of the game.

    Please please pick guys on the bench you are willing to use!

    Surely everyone saw last night coming as soon as the team was announced.
    Don’t know if Deans has too much or too little say in selection.

  • Lee Enfield

    Can we now end the Waratah experiment. Watching the Wallabies last night was just like watching the Waratahs, poor execution, poor basics, poor play.
    1. Beale was under done.
    2. AAC is not a winger, either pick him at. 13, 15 or put him on the bench.
    3. What is the fucking point of having a 5/2 split and basically not using 2 of the forward reserves.
    4. Deans once again made no meaningful use of his bench to try change the game.
    5. The bench Deans picked was not of a good composition. Slipper and Moore were good picks, Samo played well.
    6. Timani is a passenger, same as Robinson.
    7. Can we have Genia, Cooper, Ioane, Barnes, Tapuai, Shipperley, AAC as a backline, with Beale and Harris on the bench with I guess whichever scrumhalf is fit.
    8. Can we have Slipper, Moore, Kepu, Sharpe, Simmons, Schatz, Pococok, Higgers . On the bench have Holmes, Hansen, Pyle, Dennis/Samo.
    9. Can Deans be sacked at the end of this tournament.

    • Robson

      Can we change # 9 to “can he be sacked now?”

    • BloodRed

      Can I vote for you as sole wallabies selector and I’d suggest your first decision should be to start with point # nine.

    • Dougs

      I agree with everything you’ve said Lee. The most frustrating thing for me is that we were saying the same thing about Deans 4 years ago, there has been no change nor improvement.

      • Lee Enfield

        That is the most frustrating thing about the Wallabies. For the last 4 years, we have heard we are re-building, the team is young, we don’t have the cattle, it is excuse after excuse.
        We have blooded a whole host of players, yet we seem no better than we were 4 years ago.
        The endless shuffling of players around positions to cover injury. We have depth in almost all positions, it is just Deans doesn’t want to use them,
        The only constant over the last 4 years is Deans. For 4 years we have had poor tactics, poor selections and a committment to players not up to the task.
        All I know, is that I am sick of losing to the All Blacks and I am sick of Deans.

    • johnny-boy

      I have suspected for some time that Deans has actually been assisting Foley with the Tahs, behind the scenes this season. It partly explains the weird number of Tah selections in the Wallabies and their aimless nothingness. Those hoping he steps down from the Wallaby coaching job to take over the Tahs must have a death wish for the Tahs

  • ryano

    This was the same as our swimmers at the olympics, full of namby pamby politically correct gen Y soft cocks more worried about twitter and their hair, then getting some mongrel and going out there and smashing carnts with good old fashioned hate in their eyes. Back in the eighties and nineties when we lost to the AB’s we weren’t joking around with them after the match, we were too disappointed to smile, a loss used to hurt back then. But not now it seems, these gen Y soft cocks don’t seem to care, they will still get paid no matter what. Maybe we should only pay these guys when they win, im sure they would put in then. They need a good old fashioned flogging on the training paddock and a good old fashioned kick up the arse, but no, we can’t do that its too politically incorrect.

    • Dally M

      Yeah, how many of the All Blacks have twitter accounts, facebook pages or talk about their ‘brand’?

      • ryano

        Yeah good point, but they can walk the walk

    • Blinky Bill of Bellingen

      ryano – I’ll be honest. Seeing Beale having a nice post game chat & laugh with SBW really got up my nose. Sadly I don’t think that guys like him understand that ‘Perception is Reality’. Here’s a bloke fucking-up both off and on the field and yet he doesn’t get that hurting Wallaby fans will not understand the happy banter going on between him and SBW after we got done & dusted thanks to stuff-ups that he was involved in.

  • DC.

    If we have to rely on Nathan Sharpe scoring our tries, you know we are in deep shit.

  • spectator

    If the All Black’s don’t have dominance in the physical exchanges, they repeatedly have shown to make average mistakes like everyone else. This area of the game, they had a slight advantage in last night, but they had all the momentum of pressure for most of the game on their side from near the start which was a major factor that adds to this rather than other way around as often as not, & in last nights game being a case of as often.

    Yet they were still making blunders, as they did against the Irish at home when there was rough parity ( & the Irish are probably only 3rd best 5 Nations team), as against the French at home when rough parity, & in last tri-nations when same occurred etc.

    To say it was just rustiness and AB’s will automatically be better next time, is being a bit dazzled by hype & losing sight of the naunce in the game dynamics.

    These days in particular, small things in the nature of rugby sides at the top level can make significant differences in results at the end of the game.

  • J-Rugby

    I have a bad feeling that Cooper and Deans are not mates, and Cooper will never play well under Deans, they simply do not sing to the same tune.

    Deans may not be the only issue… for mine the main issue is a lack of mongrel and a lack of heart! In the professional era however I see that the chief role of the coach is to work on the players mindset – what on Earth is Deans saying to the players, presumably more of his corporate mumbo-jumbo (which means nothing!).

    Deans wants Cooper to play conservative rugby and unfortunately that is not in Cooper’s repertoire.

    If I was QC and was asked to play next week, I would seriously consider telling Deans he can go and shove it!

  • Adc

    the worst thing is that this shithouse performance was completely pridictable. Deans has to go.

    • D.

      You’re 100% right. I called it before the first Welsh game when the squad was announced. You’d have to be a dummy to not realize Deans would go with the same shithouse side.

  • naas

    Stop/start match just like Boks vs Pumas with very little to get excited about.AB’s did more than enough to win by 20+ and yet didn’t get out of 2nd gear.Wallabies had nothing on attack and will struggle to beat Argentina on that evidence.If Jamie Roberts plays in the Wales series,wales would have won.Cooper/Genia combo only chance of beating SA/AB’s

  • Sharpe?

    How can you name Nathan sharpe as man of the match? He lost the ball at every breakdown and is clearly being carried in a team that cannot afford it. He is a joke and should have been dropped a year ago. Why are we continually giving chances to players who show us nothing like kurtley Beale, Adam Ashley cooper and “man of the match?” Nathan sharpe. These guys should have worn black last night, pathetic!

  • Skyblue

    Put it this way I wouldnt take qc to eden park..if the abs dnt smash him.the hostile crowd will..

  • Sharpe?

    That team you picked still fickin six mate, Beale and sharpe? You’ve got to be ficking kidding?were you even watching last night? They were without a doubt the two worst players….

    • baldwid

      Sharpe played well, Beale was shit but given some game time is probably second behind Dagg in terms of fullbacks. Their is no way Deans will pick Mogg who had a cracking season or Morohan so I did not bother writing about them!

  • Tommy

    Forget the problems in the backs for a moment. This was lost in the forwards. They got completely fucking smashed. Haven’t seen a replay so I can’t single any one of them out so I’m going to blame all of them.

    And this brings me to the fucking coach. We had 5 reserve forward on the bench so when it is clear the starting forwards are getting smashed, Make some fucking changes! And so it with 30-35 minutes to, not 20 or less!!! Fuck. How many times has this been discussed on gagr?

    The fact that hooper didn’t get a run and Simmons was on for a minute is evidence alone that deans is unfit to coach the wallabies now and must be sacked NOW. Hooper on for higgers and Simmons for either one of the second rowers, I don’t care which one, just get some fucking fresh legs on.

  • CraigB

    The wallabies have gone backwards under Deans. They play with no gameplan, structure or even passion. The are seriously lacking in basic skills under pressure.

    When your team is not as talented as he oppn you NEED structure or they crumble into a confused rabble. The wallabies need to be told how to play. That’s why McQueen and Jones were such good coaches, they didn’t leave it to the players to work out. The funny thing is once that is done and the players execute it, they gain confidence. This in turn allows them to ‘play what’s in front of them’.

    You can argue that the wallas don’t have the cattle. It is true that they are not as talented man for man against he AB’s. The problem is that the wallas are not playing to their potential making an already difficult task, impossible. They need to lose deans and bring in tactical coaches who can dissect a team and develop a plan that can be taught and executed by he wallabies. Only then will we again see success. I would get j white and Link together to forge a new way for the wallabies. I would not ask them to leave their provinces as Australia doesn’t have coaching depth either. This is the way forward, the only way.

  • Sharpe?

    Wallaby lost causes;
    Nathan sharpe
    Kurtley Beale
    Rob Horne
    Adam Ashley cooper
    Nathan sharpe
    Nathan sharpe
    And Nathan sharpe

  • baldwid

    Platinum dickhead status?? The fact you even question Sharpe shows where that title lies mate!! Cant honestly tell me that Rob Simmons is the better option – i would like to see you justify that one!

    As for Beale who runs at 15? Foley, Harvey?? Get real mate!

    • Brax

      It sounds like you know even less. The jokes on you!

  • Sharpe?

    Bottom line is that the wallabies Fuckin suck right now, national disgrace

  • Sharpe?

    Baldwid for #15
    Anyone has to be better than Beale

  • Lapsed

    Miserable performance by the Wallabies. We were lucky we weren’t handed a double dose of reality. Quite frankly, the performance they ensembled last night was embarrassing. Robbie Deans didn’t even try to change the game when it so desperately needed to be. There was a bench available and he chose not to utilise it. Once again his strategy leaves a lot to be desired. How is it possible that this guy can continue to coach the Wallabies when such better talent is on offer. Deans needs to be given his marching orders. The Wallabies need to show themselves some self-respect as well. Frankly I find some of their conduct appaling and all to preoccupied with social media and taking all sorts of photos and pandering to their constituency. These guys need a reality check. And this reality check ain’t happening with Robbie Deans.

  • Nabley

    Three and in some cases four weeks without rugby, rather than the blessing all the commentators were spinning, takes its toll on skills and form. Besides that, while I have a lot of respect for players like Beale and Higginbotham, their fumbles came as a reaction to pressure which would indicate their heads were not in the right place. Right now, we are the pits, not as bad as when Deans first arrived, but it seems pretty close.

    • Cantab

      Seems Pocock might be out for next week. Surely doesn’t help the situation.

  • Reds mad

    Does Berrick Barnes know how to run onto a football? Why the hell have a 5/2 bench when you don’t use all the forwards or any until he 70th minute. Why not hook Beale? Deans is a true F Wit

  • F Potenza

    @baldwid HAHA!

    Pocock was the biggest cheat on the park!!! How he didn’t get a yellow I’ll never know!

    re Deans… ummm this same coach is the most successful coach EVER in Super rugby. Hmmmm what’s the variable?? … Well believe it or not, but those Aussie players seem to be the difference between the successful part of his career and the unsuccessful part!

    You just need to stop crying and accept that the kiwis are the world champions for a reason… (just like they are in league too – lol). Enjoy.

    • Timbo

      Oi Douchebag,

      We have accepted that the AB’s are the best in the world. We all saw it last night and it’s depressing. The point is that we want to be the best in the world so we passionately express our frustration at our team that has some of the most amazing talent and yet without results.

      Thanks for your input.

      • F Potenza

        Lol ok.

        You passionately express your frustration at your team… by implying that the main reason you lost was because the opposition cheated?!

        • Timbo

          As 98% of the posts above prove, we are frustrated at our own team.

          However our frustration is not helped by certain All Blacks pushing the boundaries of the laws of our game.

        • boutbloodytime

          Timbo, this isn’t really aimed at you mate, just an observation…yes we’re frustrated by our own team, but I think we need to focus on the things we CAN change first…ABs push the boundaries (read that as Saint Richie) but we do it too…any good player pushes the limits & when it works, it’s genius…when it doesn’t it’s clueless.

          There are so many areas we need to improve & focus on in our own game BEFORE we bleat about the other side being cheats….when we sort our own shit out & start winning a few of the tight games, THEN we point out to the refs the crap the other guys are doing…if we complain now, it’s just sour grapes from poor losers…when we win a few back & then point it out, well we’re just helping the ref do his job & we’re talking from a position of strength…and I actually think that’s how the ABs appear to get more of the rub of the green in this situation.

        • Timbo

          BBT, could not agree more mate. The fist thing a team in any sport needs to do when they play that badly is look at themselves. Only then will they be able to overcome ourselvse and the oposition.

          As David Pocock would know the Good Book says, remove the plank from your own eye so to be better able to see the speck in the All Blacks eye(paraphrase of course).

        • Sledgey

          “ABs pushing the laws of the game” thats a sad excuse mate, Pocock is your only standout player because he’s a mirror image of McCaw. The cheating excuse has been used too often, get over it already

        • John

          Pocock is as much an infringer as Mc Caw…as are others, two infringements 10 mtrs out from Pocock, blatent one’s at that, cost him 6 points…but hey, the Wallabies are saints, they dont infringe, nor do the Springbox…yeah right!

    • baldwid

      F Potenza – Mate its not hard to be successful when your team cheats every fucken game and the ref’s are too scared to ping them! Also not hard to be a successful coach when your team is packed with All Blacks and 2 of the greatest players of all time. Even as a Wallabies supporter I acknowledge McCaw and Carters abilities, however it must be said that many run of the mill coaches could have won titles with that lot – Nucifora “won” a title however I would suggest that Gregan, Larkham, Finnegan, Morty, Roff and co had more influence than Nucifora’s coaching ability. Deans really had my respect but his selections are dumbfounding!!

      Given your love and respect for him as a coach explain how he can get hold of Reds players who repeatedly smashed Kiwi teams last year, in fact won the title, trounced the Chiefs and were unlucky and undermanned against the Saders this year and turn them into losers – seems to me that the coach has quite a big influence and in Deans’ case a negative one!! He turns great players into hapless players, he turns skillful players in their provinces into bumbling messes – not the sign of a good coach i would argue!!

  • Blinky Bill of Bellingen

    Confession time – The team selected & all the dumb talking coming out of Camp Wallaby worried me. Then along came game day & I saw absolutely nothing to suggest we were ever going to be a chance of rolling the nuns. Biggest issue I have is that we select on Potential whereas the All Blacks select on Performance. Potential can only ever win if we have a coach who is an absolute genius. Do we?

  • PM

    Last night was horrible, next weekend could potentially be a nightmare. I’d go with this backline next weekend.

    9. Genia
    10. Cooper (roll the dice)
    11. Ioane
    12. Barnes
    13. AAC
    14. Shipperly (give him a go, Mitchell isn’t fit enough to face AB’s)
    15. Beale (he’ll bounce back)

    Moore should start with TPN being an impact player. Slipper in for Robinson.

    Selections next week will be interesting. Will Deans do an about face and pick Cooper?

    Deans needs to be completely transparent in justifying selections and non-selections. Apparently Cooper wasn’t fit, Beale was but wasn’t and same goes for Mitchell.

    Previously I’ve said I’d never pick Cooper again until he can defend at 10 and prove he can tackle, but hell I’d roll the dice and throw him in and give him a chance to redeem himself.

    Genia is high quality no doubt, but I’m sick and tired of watching him standing at the base of the ruck like a king penguin, just get the bloody ball out and pass straight off the ground. He’s starting to become like George Gregan who used the frustrate the hell out of me. Come on mate have a blinder next week. Seriously, Phipps cannot be the no.2 halfback.

    Where is our mongrel?

    I’m sick of all this one off the ruck, it’s become very predictable.

    It’s concerning seeing the Wallabies being so chummy with the AB’s on the pitch after the final whistle.

    • murph

      100% Deans will stick with almost the same team barring any injuries.

      • johnny-boy

        Yep he sure will Murph. Keep digging Robbie. The deeper the better.

  • John

    @ Baldwid,

    Mate, settle down dude, the biggest cheat lastnight was Pocock, and the main reason the wallabies lost was simple…they didnt muscle up, they didnt play with aggression and mongrel, they didnt play with fire in their bellies…lets not forget the AB’s played poorly, coughed up plenty but their fortitude, toughness and desire to win, even with a less than desirable performance won the day…not only that, they had 1 week prep, many not played for 4 weeks…wait till next week, you will see a far better display and ruthless performance bestowed onto the 15 wallabies who, without guts and grit in their armourment will most definately lose…Deans cant take all the blame here…the players need a rough up big time and step up.

    Cheats? Man I’m sick of hearing that one about the AB’S and the fact they put more $$$ into their side. Aus, over 300 mill for Olympics, 7 gold, NZ less than half that amount, 6 gold. It aint always about the $$$, it’s the mongrel win mentality that often wins the day.

    • Nabley

      Take it easy on Baldwid, he forgot to take his pills this morning!

  • Robson

    Despite everything that went wrong the Wallabies were still in with a chance to win that test with just a few minutes left on the clock. Berrick kicked the goal and the difference was then five points.

    That was followed by a frenzied attack on their goal line where poor option taking squandered any chance of a try. Excitement overtook accuracy and the pill got turned over.

    Down to the other end where, right on the hooter, after a foolish transgression from Pocock, Carter kicked us out of any contention for a bonus point.

    The problem with the options that were taken was that they were all one man plays, guys going in solo to try and smash a hole to the try line. It was never ever going to work and the longer it went on the less likely it became.

    They needed to set up a rolling maul off the back of one of those rucks to shift the pill from one player to another, then peel the ball carrier off once the tryline had been crossed.

    But that wasn’t in the game plan because it was clearly something that hadn’t been practised.

    Meanwhile some new personnel are required for next Saturday. Timani didn’t do anything wrong, but Adam Wallace-Harrison is a vastly superior lock IMHO and Moore should start at hooker. Beale needs a spell on the bench to get his head in the right quarter and AAC should go to fullback with Tapuai at 13, Barnes at 12 and yes Cooper at 10.

    The other substitution that should be made is in the coaching box!!

  • George B

    We got smashed like human farkin eggs and unless Dingo & this team gets their shit together next week will be even worse. Seriously, wtf does Deans need to do to be sacked? Lose another 5 Bledisloe cups? This is not a cattle issue with the reds& brums playing well. This is a fucking coaching/selection/strategy issue!

  • http://BigFella Big Fella

    The Wallabies;
    - Lack ‘Men’ in their team, and play like timid boys.
    - Play far too deep and slowly with Barnes @ 10.
    - Have ‘pop-gun’ centres who can’t penetrate.
    - Prefer a slow paced Test with lots of penalty goal attempts as this suits their current fitness levels
    - Select their team based on either potential or history.
    - Have a lack of blinding pace in their outside backs which limits not only their attack, but also their ability to adjust in defence.
    - Genia and Barnes don’t gel and play at very different tempo’s.
    - Do not have one ‘hitter’ or ‘enforcer’ in the pack
    - Are always reactive rather than proactive as shown by their reluctance to use their bench when it could still make a difference.
    - Lack either the mental strength or confidence to retain possession when under pressure or fatigued.
    - Seemingly accept defeat too easily.

    So where to from here?
    - Pick some ‘Men’ in the forwards who can positively influence the ‘boys’. Forget building for whatever, get these guys in now, for even a few tests.
    - Close ranks, develop a siege mentality and stop being nice
    - Pick Cooper @ 10, play flat and fast and use Ioane in the centres.
    - Pick some real speed on the wings and AAC on the bench for utility value.
    - Forget about swapping penalty goal for penalty goal and start scoring in 5′s and 7′s. If this exhausts players then send reserves on and sustain the rage. We don’t win arm wrestles with the AB’s.
    - Pick the team on form. e.g. Slipper for Robinson
    - Shake hands win or lose and get off the ground, don’t fraternise with opposition. This is a Tournament NOT a final.

    Play like Australians, with confidence not arrogance, respect for the opposition but not be intimidated, make things happen and don’t wait for them to happen, play like it’s your last ever game.

    • John

      On the Money bigfella…

      Fully agree.

  • Thomas

    These the are problems I saw:
    1. Backline wasn’t physical enough in defence, they waited for the ABs to run at them and looked like they were reluctant to actually tackle them.

    2. The forwards are lazy, this to me was a massive problem, several times Genia had to wait for them to get around the corner and into formation, they had no urgency to do anything and I believe Deans hasn’t emphasised it enough, look at the Reds they have huge emphasis on getting around the corner quick and that’s how Genia looks so good because he always has options.

    3. Team morale, simple things like when Sharpe scored his try only one player went to congratulate him the rest were already walking back, what happened to supporting your team mates?

    4. Barnes is too flat footed and deep in attack, he wasn’t as fluent in his long passes and never ran onto the ball, this is why in my opinion Quade is needed as the ABs didn’t even need to rush up that quickly and the they were still shutting down the second receiver with ease.

    5. Selections, I won’t go into detail because if you read 90% of the previous comments you’ll get an idea of what went wrong here and also better combinations.

  • tommy

    One more rant. I’m fucking sick of people calling Quade, JOC & Beale the Golden generation. Sure they might be talented so far they haven’t gone close to living up to this & most importantly, none of them would even make the Kiwi starting 15.

  • Akann

    Timbo, the wallabies infringed a lot as well. Watch the game again and you will notice in the 75th minute, Pocock takes Read out of the defensive line which allows Samo to make five easy metres. Everyone does it, it’s just seems that a lot of Aussieshave bought into this ridiculous notion that the AB’s are serial offenders and the wallabies are saints.

  • D.

    Interesting how 6 weeks ago this team was “great” because it beat Wales 3-0 in the series and now they are “shit”. The reality is they were shit 6 weeks ago.

    This selected team sucks and the reason being is it’s made up of predominately Tahs players. Don’t go bashing me that I’m being a one eyed Reds fan. It has nothing to do with that. S15 is long gone, but the players form, fitness level and Barnes’ midgame brain farts haven’t. Beale has also been consistently shit this year too. He was shocking today and that had carried over from his poor performance against Wales. He is far from his best form we saw 2 years ago when Robbie got him off the burgers and fries and put a rocket up his arse to shape up or ship out. That didn’t last long did it.

    This bullshit selections and what seems to be a complacent attitude from some players needs a big shakeup….soon.

  • baldwid

    I would love to see how we would play at full strength and how different things would be. The All Blacks dont have one player that could make that side better – that is as full strength as it gets for them unless you mount an argument that Nonu or SBW should make way for Conrd Smith but I think that the result of such change would be negligible.

    Imagine what could have happened with this side running out on to the park:

    1. Slipper – Robinsons work rate and scrummaging is poor
    2. Polota-Nau
    3. Kepu or Palmer
    4. Howrill
    5. Sharpe
    6. Higganbotham
    7. Pocock
    8. Palu
    9. Genia
    10. Cooper
    11. Ioane
    12. Barnes
    13. Tomane
    14. Mitchell
    15. Beale

    Moore, Robinson, Samo, Hooper, White, O’Connor, Ashley-Cooper

    I know Coopers defence is suspect at times however it has improved. I heard a quote this morning that basically said if you were in a gun fight, you always take your biggest and best gun to the fight – love him or hate him Cooper is our best weapon and the only Australian bar Oconnor who can crack the All Black defence regularly. JOC is on the bench cause after the game has settled and Barnes has helped Cooper get into the match he can come on at the 55th min mark and blow opposition teams apart.

  • Serious?

    That was a horrendous game from both teams.

    However, after watching over 25 years of Bledisloe battles I cannot recall a worse performance from the Wallabies – granted I can’t remember much of the 80s. Regardless of the score, the Wallabies just never seemed to get anywhere near the game and probably the worst criticism that can be made of any team – they didn’t even look interested! As an AB supporter I generally spend most of any Bledisloe game on the edge of my seat, and smoke about 30 ciggies a game even though I don’t even smoke! But at no stage during this game did I feel even a bit concerned nor nervous. Beale dropped his lip in about the 20th minute and then sooked around for the remainder of the game. Regardless of what impact dropping Beale might have on his confidence he absolutely must be dropped. Mistakes do happen in international sport, but there is never any excuse for what appeared to be simply giving up after his multitude of fuck ups. Whether intentional or not, this attitude will poison a squad and he cannot be allowed to do that. Get rid of him now! Get rid of him now!

    I’ve often been critical of Nathan Sharpe but full credit to him, he was the only Wallaby that stood out as putting in a hard nights work and stood head and shoulders above his fellow forward pack colleagues. But perhaps this was because the background levels of the rest of the pack were so low.

    There is little doubt Deans is a significant part of the Wallabies demise, and it seems apparent that he has lost the confidence of his players. There is no coming back from this, he must be dropped as regardless of the rest of the results in the RC, once you’ve lost the dressing room, that’s it, game over. It could be argued that he lost the dressing room sometime ago.

    However, I believe the root cause of the Wallabies inability to reach the levels required to consistently be No. 1 in the world is the absence of a quality domestic competition. Without a competition such as this the Wallabies may have flashes of brilliance and success in subsequent seasons but they will never regularly compete with the All Blacks which is a real shame and a detriment to the global game as a whole.

  • richard

    To baldwid ( aka fuckwit) you show a typical lack of knowledge of the game; the team you selected is weak,particularly up front. Until oz can play a properly structured game in the forwards, u will continue to come second. The only world class forward u have is pocock and he generally plays a lone hand, as the rest of your so – called forwards go missing game after game.

    On the test, the ab’s were poor ( by their own standards) but your lot were diabolical. I counted at least 3 tries we butchered – if nz had kept the game tight they would have flogged u by at least another 15 -20 points. No chance for the wbs this weekend.

    To John Phillipson, your figures are bullshit, this crap is trotted out by you lot every time u get beaten – u will find these figures closer to the mark-
    nz- 146,893, oz – 297,389.

    Funnily enough, the numbers game is never played by ozzies when the sports are cricket, netball and league (where you have up to ten times the playing numbers of nz e.g rl – oz 400,000 approx.; nz 40,000 approx).

    btw the nzru does NOT get bankrolled by the nz government, it has to stand on its own. This is why nz is locked ino playing so many tests every year – just to stay solvent.

    • Jnor

      Mate can I ask you try and lay off the personal insults when you’re making your points.

      It takes away from your argument and brings the tone down.

      I’ve already had to delete a bunch of comments and don’t want to have to do more.

  • rae1

    ABs will always dominate the aussies when it comes to rugby,just like the kangaroos will always dominate the kiwis in rugby league.Sure there may be some occasional wins by the other but it is pretty much written in stone. Was very interesting to hear Jeremy Paul (comments on nz tv)state that stephen larkham had told him that deans had told the team to run the ball from everywhere WTF! I believe deans and his coaching staff were the architects of the wallabies demise.There was confusion and lack of confidence displayed throughout the team. Very good players such as genia,barnes and beale had shockers.Running it from anywhere is fine as long as its not from behind your 22 and your team is under pressure! Then you KICK IT! to gain territory. Kids are taught that from the age of six.Robbie Deans is running out of options and you aussies are finally realising it.

  • johnny-boy

    A succinct summary Bob.
    If ever you wanted a display that Australia has the quality of players available to be No.1 in
    the world and that the All Blacks are beatable, that was it.
    The reasons are quite simple. Australia has superior athletes. The All Blacks are mainly
    rugged well drilled individuals apart from say Dagg and maybe SBW but the kiwis problem is that they are obsessed with cheating to win and panic when it’s not working.
    Australia does best when it relies on it’s superior athleticism and mental positivity. Interestingly,
    Australia also seems to attract black sheep kiwis like Quade Cooper who prefer the more
    adventurous outlook in Australia, but who would be unlikely to achieve so high in the more rigid
    negative kiwi environment.
    I thought it was a very courageous performance from the Wallabies, getting so close because not only are they burdened with players who shouldn’t be there or are playing out of position and they are being forced to play with their hands tied behind their back by a bunch of gutless ex Wallabys on the ARU board,
    with Deans as coach. It’s staggering to hear even kiwis now saying Australia should get a new coach
    and start playing rugby to their potential and stop playing like headless chooks. But what are the
    gutless wonders on the ARU board doing ?. F….. nothing !
    Mind you I was surprised to see Andrew Slack obviously getting frustrated with Deans on Channel 9 and shock horror, even John Eales seemed to express some ‘mild discomfort’. Eales is aqua plectic he’s so fearful of rocking the boat.
    I thought Barnes had a reasonably good game for him but he just reverts to kicking when tired and all else fails. Every time he goes down after a hard tackle I think, it’s only a matter of time before his wife and child sue the ARU for negligently letting him play on.
    There are two dead certs in international rugby. One is that AAC will never pass and the other is that Liam Messam will never pass. Laughingly, the one time Messam should have put his head down and gone for the line he passes and cocks it up. I will be amazed if the All Blacks will carry him any longer. He’s just a sympathy
    indulgence and a weak link.
    It’s pretty obvious, actually it’s been obvious for years that the reason the Wallabies have not been playing to their potential is that they do not believe in or respect the coach. Why did James O’Connor miss the World Cup announcement ? Why is Kurtley Beale up on assault charges after being out on the piss ?
    It’s the coach , it’s the coach, it’s the coach ! Why did Higginbotham have a crap game. He doesn’t believe in the coach and he keeps switching him between 6 and 8. Why did Anthony Fainga have a crap game at
    12 ? He hasn’t played there regularly for a year or more ? He’s been playing 13. Why ? Because there is a better 12 in Australian rugby. Ben Tapaui. Why would you play Barnes at 12 when Tapaui is twice the 12 Barnes is ?. Barnes is the ideal utility limited time backup player, if he plays at all. As argued previously,
    Pocock should not be captain.
    Why are we letting an utterly hopeless kiwi ruin the Wallabies ? Why why why why why ? FFS whose side is the ARU board on ? Why do we laud McKenzie and White for doing a great job getting the best out of their teams but at the same time leave Deans blameless for getting the worst out of the Wallabies? Are the ex
    Wallabys on the ARU just plain gutless or bone stupid ? It’s got me beat.

    • Nabley

      Johnny Boy you write shit. What you seem to seem to be saying is that we on this side of the ditch are a master race! The ABs have some fantastic athletes as well. They just seem to have more of them than we do and go about putting it into a form that wins games. Also, it was marked this year, they dont fall for the crap we do before every test believing we are what we are not and seem to believe they are not worthy opponents. For christ sake grow up and face some reality at least.

    • John

      Man, what a load of rubbish…

      Here’s some stats for you mate, seen as you think you have superior athletes (Im talking rugby here, seen as you are too)

      Superior athletes…my ass!

      AB’S versus Wallabies:

      144 tests, Ab’s won 98, Wallabies 47, 5 draws, 68.05% winning margin.

      The All Blacks have won over a record 75% OF ALL RUGBY MATCHES they have played since 1903 and they were named the International Rugby Board (IRB) Team of the Year in 2005, 2006, 2008, 2010 and a record fifth time in 2011.

      The All Blacks have won the Tri nations trophy a record ten times (in 1996, 1997, 1999, 2002, 2003, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2010) in the competition’s 16-year history. They are the current holders of the Rugby World Cup and the Bledisloe Cup competed for annually with Australia, with the All Blacks currently on the second-longest winning streak holding the Trans-Tasman trophy since 2003. They also hold the Freedom Cup; contested annually with South Africa and have completed a Grand Slam, defeating all four Home Nations during one tour, four times (in 1978, 2005, 2008 and 2010).

      As for the cheating…typical grasping at reasons for losing rather than acknowledging the Wallabies are just the same as far as pushing the limit of the law, as do ALL other top level nations…get a grip mate.

      • John

        Very sorry all…made a stats mistake above, correction below:

        144 tests, NZ 98, Aus 41, 5 draws.

  • spectator

    9. Genia
    10. Cooper
    11. Ioane
    12. Barnes
    13. Fainga’a
    14. Mitchell
    15. Beale

    AAC as the utility,

    Fainga’a has the combination with Cooper from the Reds including that of attack part of game, Barnes has the temperament to take into account & shape differing game dynamics yet the flair to run with the gate open X factor-ish of Coopers etc

    Pretty dangerous backline, will turn half-chances into 7 pointers sooner or later.

  • http://www.facebook.com/RebuildTheWaratahs hannibal

    Pococks out now – knee. I worry about putting Cooper back in when hes going to front the hostile NZ crowd again. He could do a Kurtley.

    Barnes is not a 10 – at least not a 10 for a world’s #1 aspiring side. Thats been proven now time and again for the Wallabies and the Waratahs. He cant fire an attack at the level required to beat the world’s No 1.

    Deans is not the answer for us either.

    Conclusion: we’re stuffed. forget the usual team change suggestion/rubbish. We are so far off the pace across the park and the ABs are so ahead of everyone else that the only answer to become the #1 is a rebuild.

    Funny that this realisation happens at broadly the same time as we’ve seen every Australian province basically collapse. The Reds were just earlier than everyone else.

    Australian rugby is at a critical point.

  • Jack

    If Deans had gone on to coach the all blacks, and Henry had got the job of coaching the wobblies, then the ABs would still be world champs and Aussie would still be hopeless. Same goes if any Aussie coach had the job.
    As the old saying goes ” you can’t make a silk purse out of a sows ear”.

    • Dally M

      And you don’t need a long neck to be a goose do ya Jack!

  • Harry

    1. Kepu
    2. Moore
    3. Palmer
    4. Sharpe
    5. Horwill
    6.Higgsboson
    7. Pocock
    8. Palu
    9. Genia
    10. Cooper
    11. Ioane
    12. O’Connor
    13. AAC
    14. Mitchell
    15. Beale

    Ideal team (if ligaments never tore)

  • Dave

    What a nasty bunch of comments from both sides of the Tasman.
    The main point of frustration is that rugby is a professional code and the way the wallabies played suggested they all work full time jobs and also stack shelves at Woolies at night time.
    It was unacceptable the way they played considering they are on multiples of hundred thousand dollar contracts.

    The commitment at the breakdown was not there so we got no quick ball while the AB’s smothered us.

    Our backs had no penetration or understanding of support play.

    Am getting sick of supporting our national team. If we lose fine. But to lose that way was torturous.

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