Podcast 284 - The Honey Bachelor - Green and Gold Rugby

Podcast 284 – The Honey Bachelor

Podcast 284 – The Honey Bachelor

The Green and Gold Rugby Show is back for another week, and for the first time in a long time Matt, Hugh and Jamie were all in the same room (literally) to talk about the most pressing topics in Australian rugby.

The Five Burning Questions:

1. What was the best/worst performance of round 4?
2. Are the Rebels the real deal?
3. Which side should be more worried – the Brumbies or the Tahs?
4. Can we beat Ireland with one week to prepare?
5. What are our predictions for round 5?

  • Jason

    Mafi could have been yellow carded for ‘holding’ Matt Lucas and the time wasting, I would have been more than okay with both copping a yellow, but ignoring it was the best response.

    Cheika is actually pushing for the Rebels to sign Quade. I think if they can find the money to get him on the field they could be a real chance to win a title. At the moment Will Genia is playing 9, 10 and a little 12. You add a (at worst) decent fly half like Quade Cooper and they would be a real contender!

    I’m expecting Conference winners to have between 40 and 65 points. The top 8 on points from last year were down to the Blues on 37 points but we are playing an extra game so assuming each team gets an extra 3 or so points giving the Blues 40. The team with the highest points were the Lions with 65 points, however the reason I wouldn’t increase it over 65 is because there are less easy beats this year.
    The Sunwolves are much improved (but have *over 9000* injuries at the moment), the Rebels are now at least decent, so even if we assume the worst teams get a bump to around 20 points that the top teams are likely to lose the bulk of the points and that works out to around 3 points for the top few teams with less from the middle teams.

    Regarding the Eddie Jones — Michael Cheika debate, honestly they are remarkably similar at this point of their coaching.

  • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

    I think your choice of SR club might be blinding you a bit when you’re talking about the Waratahs having a better backline than Rebs

    9. Genia > Gordon
    10. Debreczeni – Foley (Foley is playing shockingly other than kicking, equal)
    11. Naivalu > Rona (power wingers)
    12. Hodge > Beale (Hodge in better form, can defend awesomely)
    13. English > Foketi
    14. Maddocks > whichever utility winger the Tahs choose
    15. DHP < Folau (but DHP by no means a poor player).

    They also have Rieu (second best halfback in Aus), Koroibete and Meakes coming off the bench. All are Wallaby standard or thereabouts.

    Aside from 10, 13 and 15 the Rebels should probably have every Wallaby backline position on form, with Lance and Kerevi at 10 and 13.

    I'm also thinking the Rebels will have more forwards in the Wallabies than the Reds between Uelese, Philip, Coleman, Timani and maybe even RHP.

    Given the Darwin coefficient choosing a large number of Rebels might be the only way to beat a red hot Irish side.

    • Mate – you’re dreaming with Hodge and Debreczeni.

      But you’re right that’s it’s not a bad Rebs backline, and the Tahs have a couple of holes.

      • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

        You see Foley’s intercept try for the Jags? Perfect setup for the other team. He also failed to kick it out too often. It actually reminded me a lot of Foley’s perfect setup for Scotland on the Spring Tour…

        Come to think of it, just like week Hugh was saying ‘Foley will get better’.

        At what point do we stop pretending something is an exception when we have to excuse it every other week?

        Beale vs Hodge isn’t as uneven as you think. Beale is a much better attacking runner and x-player, but his defence is horrid and he has to run elusively/sideways to find the gaps, whereas Hodge doesn’t have the distribution or x-factor skills of Beale but is a rock solid defender at 12 and can run hard and make the ad line. 9 years into his international career no one is really sure what Beale’s best position is.

        I have my money on Hodge putting Beale down more often than Beale putting Hodge down when they run at each other down the 12 channel.

        • Put the 4 of them on the international market and see what you get.

          I see you hole-picking with Foley (and ignoring his current kicking form) but I could easily do the same with Deb, and he doesn’t have the line attacking skills or even distribution of Foley.

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          Surely current form is based on current form, not market rate? Foley and Beale would probably earn more, but they’ve got bigger names. Cooper is on a higher salary than Lance for sure, and yet Cooper isn’t even playing.

          I don’t rate Jack Deb very highly when playing well Foley is better of course, but based on the start of Super Rugby + Spring Tour form he’s playing better than Foley. Or is someone’s current form based on performanxs last year?

          A 12 should be able to defend at 12. 12 and 13 are the most important deceive positions.

        • Foley playing as he is now is still better than JD now. Fact

          An international team will be interested in what a player can add to them now. Some of that form, some of that capability.

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          Did Jack Deb throw an intercept to the other team when under no pressure, virtually ensuring the other team won?

          Second point is irrelevant to current form—whoever is better form now is better. Is Djokovic a better over player than Kevin Anderson? Yes. Is Djokovic currently playing better than Anderson? No.

          Also, a lot of Beale’s value is from his utility. He can play anywhere from 10-15 aside from maybe 13. However, is not a world class defender in the 12 channel, whereas Hodge is. He is a more complete 12 than Beale.

        • Tell me more of your theories on form…..

      • Hugh Cavill

        Also the Rebels are playing behind a solid forward pack, so are playing with far more space and time than the Tahs.

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          One of Australia’s two form hookers (with Paega-Amosa), best player in Aus (Mafi), good 6 and 7 and Australia’s two form second rowers.

        • RugbyReg

          when did Rodda and Douglas move to the Rebels?

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          Haha, okay, equal form second rowers.

  • Ed

    The Australian conference winners from 2011 to 2015, when the similar number of matches were played in a season to this year, scored between 52 and 66 points to be top Aussie side.
    The finals teams were the top six sides in those years, so basing it on the eighth side like it will be for this year’s finals the fewest number of points to be eighth was 40. (In 2012 it was 57)

    On burning question four, the Brumbies played the Moondogs on Sunday, 3 June in Canberra so the earliest Cheika will have his full squad is the following day, which is only five days before the first test against Ireland.

    The Pro14 final is on the 26th May, so that is the last date for a possible match an Irish provincial side could play. This would still mean the Ireland squad would be in Australia before the four Australian sides play their SR matches on June 2nd and 3rd.

    I feel Ireland will win the series if they send as close to a full strength side here in June. They have a better coach, and enough quality players to cause us plenty of problems even if we are on our game.

  • Brisneyland Local

    Morning Gents, great pod again. Some really interesting debate.

    1. What was the best/worst performance of round 4? – Definitely the Tahs, the Pony’s were close, but they certainly didnt let anyone slam near 20+ points on the in no time flat.!
    2. Are the Rebels the real deal? – Looking more and more like it. If they sign Cooper, then I think they will have a very strong team. Their forward pack needs boosting but, it isnt as soft as the Tah’s forward pack.
    3. Which side should be more worried – the Brumbies or the Tahs? Tahs!
    4. Can we beat Ireland with one week to prepare? Not a chance in the world.
    5. What are our predictions for round 5?

    Chiefs vs Bulls – Chiefs by 7
    Highlanders vs Crusaders – Game of the round. Highlanders by 2.
    Brumbies vs Sharks – Make or break for the Pony’s. Brumbies by 5.
    Stormers vs Blues – This one is hard to pick, but have to give it to the Stormers at home. 5 points.
    Lions vs Sunwolves – Lions by 15.
    Jaguares vs Reds – Reds by 1. Not that confident here but a great scrummagging battle coming up!
    Waratahs vs Rebels – Rebels by 12 points. Battle of the weak front rows on this one.

    • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

      I wouldn’t be surprised if Ireland plays the B-Team. A lot of their stars have played a lot of rugby, and since they’ve won the 6N (especially if they win the Grand Slam) then no one in Ireland would mind if they sent the B-Team and just worked on building depth for the RWC.

      This alone might save us/Cheika from embarrassment again.

      But the chance to win a 3 match series in Australia, and perhaps even 3-0 it, against perhaps the consistently worse Aussie side in living memory, while Ireland are at their strongest, might be too much of an incentive to rest their top guys.

      • Brisneyland Local

        Yeah, I was thinking the same. BUt my other thought line says because it is 12 months out they will bring the A team to test it out against the Southern hemisphere teams. Get a good hit out, and trial its potential alternate mannings (i.e. positional changes).
        If they bring the A team, I think we are proper fucked. If they bring the B team it might be a tight series.

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          I actually want them to send the A-Team. I don’t want Cheika to have an easy win over a dud side picking the same cats that have failed time and again.

          I want to see how we actually stack up against the Irish.

        • Brisneyland Local

          I just want to see Cheika gone.


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