Preview: Brumbies v. Reds – the battle for top spot

Brumby Jack May 24, 2012 71

No GravatarAt the beginning of the year if anyone said the Brumbies vs. Reds match in May could decide the Australian Conference winner, they would have been laughed at.

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But that is the reality of this match on Saturday in Canberra when the conference leading Brumbies take on the Queensland Reds. For the Reds it’s not quite a must win game but they do trail the Brumbies by 8 points and have a game in hand and this could prove vital in the final wash up.

The big talking point in the lead up to the game that everyone wants to see is still on course after Brumbies flanker Michael Hooper escaped suspension for his tackle on Hurricanes player Victor Vito in last weeks game and will line up against Liam Gill, who has been setting the world on fire in recent games. The only downside to this battle is that Gill won’t be pushing for Wallaby selection and will be leading the Australian Under 20 side to South Africa for the Junior World Championships, leaving Hooper with a free pass to be David Pocock‘s backup.

The Brumbies and Reds played back in April and it’s fair to say the Brumbies got smashed at the breakdown in a game where Hooper started on the bench and his omission was glaringly obvious. There’s less chance of the Brumbies suffering the same fate now that Hooper is starting. The set piece is also a concern for the Brumbies and Peter Kimlin has been brought back into the starting XV to add some height to the lineout.

He takes the place of Fotu Auelua who misses out after suffering a head knock in the Hurricanes match but Brumbies coach Jake White revealed today that Auelua wouldn’t have played anyway and would have been rotated after playing in 5 consecutive games. With Kimlin’s elevation, Leon Power takes his place on the bench. The only other change sees Nic White start in place of Ian Prior.

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The Reds did just enough against the Lions last week and got the 5 points they needed. Quade Cooper also made his long awaited comeback from a knee injury and put in a solid 40 minute performance that Jake White had earlier in the week questioned whether was enough to see him play a full 80 this week. That may need to happen if the Reds are to be a chance especially with Ben Lucas struggling with a groin injury and his status of playing in the game won’t be known until after the captains run on Friday.

Beau Robinson also makes his return from an ankle injury and could be a surprise selection in the starting XV and play in tandem with Gill which worked effectively in the April clash.

The Reds finally tasted success in Canberra last year on the back of Quade Cooper‘s boot so they know what it takes to beat the Brumbies in Canberra. Whatever happens on Saturday night, it could surely be the game of the season in the Aussie conference but as the derby’s have tended to be, a conservative approach could be taken.

Teams

Brumbies: 15. Jesse Mogg, 14. Henry Speight, 13. Andrew Smith, 12. Pat McCabe, 11. Joe Tomane, 10. Zack Holmes, 9. Nic White, 8. Ben Mowen (c), 7. Michael Hooper, 6. Peter Kimlin, 5. Sam Carter, 4. Scott Fardy, 3. Dan Palmer, 2. Stephen Moore, 1. Ben Alexander.
Res: 16. Anthony Hegarty, 17. Ruaidhri Murphy, 18. Leon Power, 19. Ita Vaea, 20. Ian Prior, 21. Robbie Coleman, 22. Tevita Kuridrani.

Reds: (Now with updated team list)
15. Luke Morahan, 14. Dom Shipperley, 13. Anthony Faingaa, 12. Mike Harris, 11. Digby Ioane, 10. Quade Cooper, 9. Will Genia, 8. Scott Higginbotham , 7. Liam Gill, 6. Beau Robinson, 5. James Horwill (c), 4. Rob Simmons, 3. James Slipper, 2. Saia Faingaa, 1. Greg Holmes.
Res: 16. James Hanson, 17. Ben Daley, 18. Adam Wallace-Harrison, 19. Jake Schatz , 20. Nick Ultimate Frisby, 21. Dallan Murphy, 22. Chris F’Sautia.

Details

Giving a few tips before the game…

The game is on Saturday night at Canberra Stadium with kick off at 7:40pm. If you can’t get to the game, you can watch it on Fox Sports 3.

Steve Walsh is taking the whistle for this game, which is interesting since he took charge of the game in Brisbane earlier in the year.
The weather is expected to be ordinary with rain and wind expected in the lead up and on game day.

Referee: Steve Walsh (Aus)
Assistant referees: Angus Gardner (Aus), Andrew Lees (Aus)
TMO: George Ayoub (Aus)

Game Breaker

There are so many good match ups on the park it’s hard to single one out. With Gill and Hooper the obvious choice, I’ll go with the battle of the scrum halves Nic White vs. Will Genia. Genia has the Wallaby 9 spot nailed down but it’s who will back him up that is far from certain.

Genia has shown he can score tries from long range, with anything less than a 60 metre run to the line hardly worth worrying about. Nic White has come a long way in a short amount of time and should be considered by Robbie Deans for the upcoming tests. His field kicking can be top notch at times, with the Waratahs game an example, but he just needs to weed out those kicking out on the full errors that creep in every now and then. But with George Gregan helping him out, it’s only a matter of time before Deans gives him the call.

The Fearless Prediction

This match could be anything to be honest. Historically there is no real pattern to how they are played out. Scores in the past have ranged from 6-3 to 38-32 so there’s potential for an exciting game. But as the rain starts to tumble down in Canberra tonight, the chances of a high scoring game are diminishing and I can see this being decided by the forwards.

I hope that Steve Walsh allows the game to unfold naturally and not too quick on the whistle to have the score progressing in 3′s, which means the goalkickers will have to be on their game.

I would love to sit on the fence and hope for a draw but there is far too much riding on this game. Both teams are on winning streaks and full of confidence so I think whoever blinks first and deviates from their game plan will end up on the wrong side of the scoreboard.

Because it’s in Canberra, Brumbies by 1.

Discussion »

  • Aussie werewolf in London

    The battle for to spot? Unless the reds can get double plus points for a four try win its not battle for top spot is it?

    • Troy

      It’s a battle for top spot in that if the Brumbies win they will be ahead by a minimum of 10 points (more likely 11 or 12) in the conference which essentially secures the top spot at the end of the season. For the Reds they need a win to realistically keep in the playoff race for a wildcard spot but even with a win would still need some help to win the australian conference.

      Barring some sort of collapse the Brumbies will win the conference even with a loss this weekend. Their schedule to end the season is the easiest of any team, playing the 10,11,13 and 15 on the competition ladder to end the season.

      With that all said I think the reds manage to win here because they need it so much more and these players have made a habit of stepping up in important games the last few years.

      • Aussie werewolf in London

        Yeah I get it I just think its a stupid title considering the brumbies are so far ahead.

        • RJ

          Remember the brumbies have had an extra bye, so if they lose the following week, the reds will be on top of the conference. Its not that far apart. A reds win puts them on level playing field almost.

        • Brax

          What RJ said… points for byes skew the championship ladder throughout the year. Nothing stupid about the title at all…it’s just people who are too stupid to work things out for themselves.

        • Aussie werewolf in London

          Sorry queenslanders I used logic and facts when I shouldn’t have.

          This game is clearly battle for top spot……and Brisbane is the capital of the world.

        • Brax

          Your use of “facts & logic” don’t take in the big picture, the overall view. The title of the article is referring to the battle of the top spot of the Aussie conference over the whole season, not just this week ya bloody drongo. This game will go a long way in deciding that fact.

    • the realist

      You will learn not to write anything that might upset a queenslander no matter how much logic you use. the facts are queensland can not take top spot regardless if they win but logic and good sense means nothing to these people.

      • muffy

        i think you may find this is written by Brumbie jack…

        Who is….and I am going out on a limb here…. not a Queenslander….

        Shame on you Brumbie for trying to generate some excitement around a game of football, we don’t need this kind of wild crazy ass journalism on a volunteer run site…

        please make more of an effort to keep it real….

        • Brumby Jack

          Duly noted

      • murph

        “Sorry queenslanders I used logic and facts when I shouldn’t have.”

        This, from a guy who wants half the Wallabies squad to be made up of his beloved Tahs…

      • Brax

        Well if the Reds win with a bonus point this week & the Brumbies follow up with (an admittedly upset) loss next week you will be eating those words & your moniker will be redundant!

        • aussie werewolf in london

          lol

          Exactly my point. This game isn’t the battle for top spot. Now that is enough!

  • murph

    reds by 7

  • Bones

    Reds to show their experience and take it by less than 7. Both sides score 4 spectacular tries, for a max haul of 7 points from the game. Brumbies to top Aussie Conf, Reds in 5th plAce. Brumbies to host the Reds in the final, Reds to take it.

  • muffy

    Heart – reds
    Head – brums

    • bill

      head and heart reds.

    • muffy

      Ten beers and a lot of shouting later.. muffy give yourself an uppercut …call yourself a queenslander

  • Pedro

    Nice article BJ.
    Will quade be feeling the pressure? He’s got to be the one with the most potential to change the game. At near his best he could do some real damage, but also has the ability to hurt his own team.

    Apart from that the teams are well matched and the reds have finally looked like a finals team. I think the brums will take this match, but only because they’re at home and making habit of scoring tries lately. Although in a tight game the reds have the most proven goal kicker in Aussie Mike Harris.

  • Lee Enfield

    Reds to win by 5 on the back of their defence. They will produce a defensive effort like they did against the Crusaders. The Reds will win the kicking contest and the Reds will put the Brumbies under pressure inside their own half. The Brumbies will infringe in the ruck, and Harris will turn that pressure into 3 points on a regular basis.

    • Andyq

      I’d love to be that confident. I’m not saying that won’t or can’t happen, but with Hooper in the game the Reds won’t have it all their own way, and Holmes certainly kicked well enough last week.

      Still, should be a cracker of a match regardless of who gets up

    • Pedro

      Oh yeah, that game they LOST to the Crusaders. The same team that lost to the rebels the following week. Mogg and White are at least as good as any general play kickers the reds, especially in Canberra.

      • Brax

        If only it were that simple Pedro.

      • Lee Enfield

        I am making the trip down, and will don the red! I will have the Ipod ready to go, with, I see Red, I see Red, I see Red on loop.

        I am confident that Gill and Robinson will own the breakdown, two on one.Whilst Hooper is battling the Dynamic Duo, Higgers will inflict some wideout pain. Ioane and Cooper will punish any kick where the defensive line is not completely set.

        Brumbies couldn’t get the job done against a depleted Reds side when they last met, nothing will change tomorrow night, Reds all the way.

        • muffy

          Gee, I hope Higgers doesn’t go too wide, it will just give Bob and the other critics fuel for their flames-of-Higgers-hatred.

          Even if he does gain territory, get forward ball or heaven forbid, actually score, methinks it still won’t be good enough for some.

          Go Reds!

        • the realist

          If he plays like a back rower and not an extra centre we’d all be happy. It won’t happen because the reds fans keep applauding his fairy floss style so why would he change?

        • TSR

          Clearly you haven’t watched any rugby this year. Or your just a troll. Or both.

        • The realist

          I just know the criteria of what makes a good backrower in 80 min of rugby. Hanging out in the backs is not part of that criteria

        • BloodRed

          Nothing you’ve ever posted suggests you know the first thing about good back row play. As for being a troll, I’d certainly defer to your expertise on that subject.

        • the realist

          on the contrary you and anyone that support higginbotham as anything other than a bench impact player knows nothing about back row play that wins test matches.

        • RJ

          Keep it real the realist. He is epic

        • Dave

          Funny because I would say that McKenzie and Deans also know the criteria for a good backrower and they seem keep picking him. Then I guess neither one of them is smart enough to write an overly long comment on an internet article. We should probably all cede to your superior knowledge!

          Seriously though cool it, your comment was longer than the guy who wrote an entire song about the game this weekend. Work on your chat mate.

          Now thats keeping it real!

        • bill

          It is if you’re good enough and do the rest as well. It’s a joke people keep on about this, the guy’s been the most improved forward over the last year for the reds, alongside Liam Gill.

        • murph

          Are you “liking” your own comments?

        • RJ

          Best 6 in the Oz conference. Just keeping it real ;-)

        • the realist

          He’s not even the best no 6 at the reds. Thats why Schatz is wearing the no 6 and Higgers pushed back to the no 8 where shall we say he has reinvented the no 8 as an extra outside back.

        • Joker

          Did big bad higgers steal your candy when you were little realist?

        • murph

          McKenzie has been playing Schatz and Higginbotham interchangeably at 6 & 8. Drongo

        • the realist

          Oh dear. How dare you call me a Drongo. Mate you have gone too far!

          Seriously though Schatz is a better no 6. I’d be happy if he were selected as wallaby. He has the qualities we want as a flanker.

          Higginbotham is fools gold. To the untrained eye he looks quality but an expert will tell you he is worthless.

        • the realist

          Higginbotham was awesome yet again. He made atleast 2 or 3 tackles and made 1 run. Plus he supported his team mates by hanging off the side of rucks all night.

          (Schatz did more in 10min then he did in 80min)

        • bill

          And you’ve done more in 10 lines than Debbie does dallas din in 80 mins. Congrats.

        • bill

          ooops, din rather than did.

        • BloodRed

          Find us an expert and we’ll have a listen. Until then change the record.

        • bill

          well gee, like being an extra back is a bad thing, I’m pretty sure that’s a good estimation of Richie McCaw.

  • Bobby

    I reckon this game will be a kick-a-thon.

  • Skopje Brumbies’ fan

    heart-Brums
    head-Reds

  • Pedro

    Luckily the brums won’t need to beat a top six team, but the reds do and maybe the refs will actually sin bin your players when away from suncorp, I’m sure the chiefs feel that game was stolen from them.

    • Pedro

      This comment was actually in reply to another comment that has seemingly disappeared.

  • Tommy

    Brumbies by 1? Common Brumby Jack, stick your head out a bit.. You still got 1 bum cheek on the fence there..

  • Lee Enfield

    I have an exclusive, it just came across my desk, the new lyrics to the Split Enz classic, I See Red. It was written as part of the build up to this game and in an anticipation of a Reds victory.

    They’ll See Red

    When the Brumbies walk because they’re dead on their feet
    They’ll see red, They’ll see red, They’ll see red.
    How could a team so wicked score so free
    They’ll see red, They’ll see red, They’ll see red.
    They’ll see red, They’ll see red
    (red!), they’ll see red.

    We respect your effort
    You gave us such easy points
    Another three against you.
    Squeezed you out of the game
    Down the drain with all our pilfers
    You feel chewed and spat out.
    Poor Brumbies

    When the Brumbies walk because they’re dead on their feet
    They’ll see red, They’ll see red, They’ll see red.
    How could a team so wicked score so free
    They’ll see red, They’ll see red, They’ll see red.
    They’ll see red, They’ll see red
    (red!), they’ll see red.

    Digby is a flying
    Your title hopes dying,
    Turning into rage, Try by Try.
    First before you met us
    Feeling green when Quadie stepped you
    He was through, made fools of you
    Joke’s on you

    When the Brumbies walk because they’re dead on their feet
    They’ll see red, They’ll see red, They’ll see red.
    How could a team so wicked score so free
    They’ll see red, They’ll see red, They’ll see red.
    They’ll see red, They’ll see red
    (red!), they’ll see red.
    Go!

    I see red, I see red, I see red

    • TerribleTowel

      well I certainly respect the effort that’s gone into this little ditty…

  • Mighty Moth

    I’d really like to see Radike Samo in the mix over Dallan Murphy but is seems he has been cast adrift to club rugby? Any story there fellas?

    • Troy

      I think he’s just a bit old and they are trying to get Quirk and Schatz more game time. He still looks pretty good for GPS down at Yoku rd when he plays.

  • the realist

    okay a no 6 needs to;

    First and foremost be a player that chases the action and can get around the corners of breakdowns and arrive early to compete for the ball. Higginbotham rarely does this. (Dave Dennis is the best in Australia at the moment at doing these subtle yet extremely important deeds)

    A no6 needs to arrive in support of a break to recycle ball. Higginbotham only ever supports out wide to receive a pass when he should be using his size and strength to do whats best for the team. ie support in tight and hit the fucking breakdown and recycle the fucking ball! (Elsom is extremely good in his support lines and at supporting in this way)

    A no 6 needs to be a combative defender in the middle of the field. Higginbotham too often is too wide to contribute defensively in any real influential way over 80min. (Watch Dan Lydiate this June who will show how defensive prowess in the middle of the field influences a game)

    He needs to be able to carry the ball consistently over the advantage line. Higginbotham can do that and this is his trump card. But his failure in last years test match against SA to do even this is concerning. Besides he waits out far too wide for far too long before he carries.

    He needs to be a viable lineout option. Higginbotham has improved and become a good front of the lineout man. Unfortunately once he’s caught the ball from a lineout he doesn’t move from that spot for 5min, again staying on the wing when he should be helping to provide front foot ball like the other 7 forwards do.

    The last of the criteria is non descript. All the world’s best no 6′s play blindside slightly different from each other. They all have the above basics but have an x factor in one of them that can determine the ebb and flow of a match. Lydiate for instance has such prowess in defence that he can change the flow of a game on his own, Ferris the same but in the way he goes into contact with the ball, Dusatoir and Bonnaire in the way they keep competing for that ball in defense. Higginbotham does have some x factor. He scores tries, he chip kicks, he’s a crowd pleaser! a fairy floss player! but until he plays the game like a backrower should with the added bonus of his x factor he aint fooling me and he aint no test rugby player!

    All in all a back rower plays for his team mates around him. Higginbotham plays too much for himself gaining glory from the hard work and deeds of his team mates. Thats what a good outside back does.

    • the realist

      this was meant to be in reply to RJ and Blood red

    • Brax

      Yawn.

      • bill

        I’m pretty sure as one of his team’s fastest players Higg’s brief is to stay wide wherever possible, it’s pretty fucking ridiculous not to applaud that, it’s called common sense.

        Lydiate schmidiate, if you’re talking defence as a game changer the last aussie player at 6 who could do that is one Matt Cockbain It’s a wonderful trait to have and something to be aimed at but get over yourself asking for it, none of the 6′s in the world have that at the moment. Maybe if we got Buderus from the Nrl to play as a midget 6, but otherwise, no.

        • the realist

          Oh bill said ‘lydiate schmidiate’. Well I stand corrected. Forget that he was the player of the 6 nations.

  • The Other Dave

    Classic realist, trolling Reds fans. So this is what waratahs supporters do when their season goes belly-up!

    • bill

      Keeps him away from the school zones man, all good.

  • Pedro

    Can’t wait for kick off, brums by 12.

  • bill

    halftime thoughts.

    Nic White has the best kick of any half in aus. Brumbies and Reds ought to be looked at by the aru for their development programs, Force and Tahs, well….The tah’s have given us some great players over the years, Chris Latham, Beau Robinson…easy to criticise I guess.

    The Brumbies scrum is still giving us the shits, more than any other team.

    Steve Walsh, probably our best ref. Minor man crush. I’m sure that’ll bite me in the second half. Holmes, at 5/8, not bad at all.

  • bill

    Oh o horwills gone off. Disagree about the whole depth at lock thing for aus, I think we’re pretty well off.

  • bill

    fox sports listed saia at 187cm, ant at182, I thought they were identical twins.

  • bill

    Higginbotham is fool’s gold?… yep… say hello to Toutai Kefu dipshit he’s labelled Higginbotham a talent. I’d like to see you argue the toss with him.

    • the realist

      I never said he wasn’t a talent. he’s a wasted talent because he’s not been coached properly at the reds.

      keep em coming, i’ll keep kcocking ya out of the park

      • lee enfield

        Yep, higgers would definitely benefit from joining a winning organisation like the tah’s and being coached by genius like foley, who is clearly the best coach in australia.

  • bill

    Thought it interesting Hanson didn’t get on the field tonight. I would have said he was our best hooker this year.

  • bill

    Well if the force let Holmes go because of his size they’re bloody idiots. Reminds me, maybe I’m being emotional, of Gopperth, playing for the ‘canes? a really underrated player. I don’t think Holmes is at that level, but if he got to to that level he won’t let anyone down. Very assured for his experience.

  • bill

    If Horwill heard a pop (a who) when he did a hammy maybe he’s torn it off the bone. Not great for him or us.

  • Joker

    So you basically mean most of the people who read/comment on this site?

    Who let all these people who don’t know anything about rugby in here?! I want to see the manager!

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