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Pumas record historic win over blunderful Wallabies

Pumas record historic win over blunderful Wallabies

The rugby public was veritably frothing following the epic occasion that was the Springboks defeat of the All Blacks in Wellington. Would the Argies and Wallabies be able to reproduce a match of similar quality? Would there be anyone actually be at the stadium to watch it?

We could only wait to find out.

FIRST HALF:

Argentina got on the board early when they opted to take a shot for goal from 52m out.  Fullback Emiliano Boffelli went BOFF and booted it over with distance to spare to put the Wallabies on the back step early. 0-3 Argentina.

The Wallabies looked to strike back but the passes were generally slow and inaccurate. Finally they ran the right lines and the passes made it to where they needed to go.  Some brilliant combinations resulted in Reece Hodge powering the side line before linking up with Will Genia on the inside for the Wallaby #9 to cross for the first try of the match. Toomua’s conversion took the score to 7-3 Australia’s advantage.

While the Aussies played a looser style of rugby, struggling to maintain momentum and build pressure, the Pumas did just that.  The visitors controlled possession and build the pressure on the Wallaby defence until flyhalf Nicolas Sanchez backed up an inside pass to dive over to score. In converting his own try he regained the lead 7-10.

Israel Folau was getting plenty of ball, mostly from Argentina kicks that must have been misdirected. He finally received the pill from a set piece play and did his own thing in seemingly beating the entire opposition defence to score a brilliant individual try in the corner. An equally brilliant conversion by Toomua flipped the score back the Aussie’s way, 14-10.

While Folau was proving tough to contain, the Pumas had their own weapon in winger Ramiro Moyano. He was simply impossible to stop first up and the Wallabies were left scrambling time and time again to curtain his slipperiness.  He looked to have set up a brilliant return try only to have been ruled to put a foot in touch. Unfortunately it would be his final act of the game as he was injured in the tackle and replaced soon after.

It didn’t stop the Pumas though as they were to score the try of the match soon after.  Backrower Pablo Matera powered through the tackles of David Pocock and Taniela Tupou (on momentarily for Allan Alaalatoa) and streaked down the field. The ball finally reached the wing of Bautista Delguy who somehow managed to power and step his way some more weak Wallaby defence and was in under the posts. Again the kick was good and the Argies were again in the lead 14-17.

A little Argy-bargey closed out the half which was enough to keep the crowd on the edge of their seats and the teams went to oranges  to settle down a tad.

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Peter Samu clears from the Wallaby scrum

SECOND HALF:

As often happens in these games (not including the All Blacks) it took a while for the game to get into gear in the second half. Most action was off the bench as the Wallabies brought on Folau Fainga’a, Ned Hanigan and Adam Coleman in quick succession for Tatafu Polota-Nau, Pete Samu and Rory Arnold.

While those replacements were probably justifiable, the one made when Matt Toomua was replaced by Bernard Foley was downright baffling. Kurtley Beale was having a shocker at 10 while Toomua was arguably the best Wallaby on the field. Instead, Toomua was benched and Beale moved to 12 for Foley to play flyhalf.

While that was all happening Izack Rodda was penalised at a lineout and Sanchez kicked a penalty to extend their lead to 14-20.

About five minutes later Folau was caught high in a tackle and Foley put the ball close to the line from the resultant penalty.  Following a driving maul the Wallaby backs were able to spread it wide where Dane Haylett-Petty had plenty of space to ease his way over for the try to bring the Wallabies back into the game. Foley missed the kick and the Argentine lead was just one. 19-20.

Missed penalties, firstly by Sanchez for Argentina and then by Hodge for the Wallabies meant we entered the final 10 minutes on a knife’s edge.

It was the Wallabies though who were crumbling under pressure. Ball handling was diabolical and any opportunities we received were soon turned over far too easily.

Discipline was frustrating too and when the opposition have a kicker with a kick the size of Boffelli’s, anywhere in the half (and a little beyond) is the danger zone. Fainga’a found that out when he was pinged for entering from the side and the Puma fullback kicked it from his own half. 19-23 with less than three minutes to go.

The Argies gave the Wallabies plenty of chances in those last three minutes and the Wallabies looked capable of taking it. Jack Maddocks went close himself and then when the ball was spun to the opposite wing, Folau had space and support outside.  He stepped inside when he should have probably passed out and was hit in a massive tackle by lock Tomas Lavinini and pill was spilled.

Fulltime was called and the Argentineans were celebrating their first win in Australia since 1983.

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Beale – it wasn’t his best outing

WALLABY WASH UP:

This was a poor Wallaby performance. Genia gave it to them in a post match interview and deservedly so.  They looked a mess in attack and it’s time to declare the Beale at 10 experiment a failure (and I was a proponent for it).  The loss wasn’t all to do with him though, and nor with Folau who was very effective on the wing. Once again it was an across the board sub-standard performance. Too many missed tackles and too much dropped ball.

 


The Game Changer

I thought as soon as Moyano went down things would turn the Wallaby way. As it was it went the other way. The Argentinians scored a length of the field try through some weak Wallaby defense and never looked back.

The G&GR MOTM

Matt Toomua was shaping for the award in my eyes, until replaced. I thought Lukhan Tui was probably the best Aussie on the field. But none really deserve it. I’ll plump for the Puma backrower Pablo Matera who produced that game breaking moment above, and tackled his heart out.


The Details

Score & Scorers

WALLABIES 19
Tries: Will Genia (10′), Israel Folau (18′), Dane Haylett-Petty (54′)
Conversions: Matt Toomua (11′, 19′))
ARGENTINA 23
Tries: Nicolas Sanchez (14′), Bautista Delguy (35′)
Conversions: Nicolas Sanchez (15′, 36′)
Penalties: Nicolas Sanchez (47′), Emiliano Boffelli (4′, 76′)

Cards

Nil

Crowd

16,019

Photos from Stephen Tremain

  • Dud Roodt

    Fuck. That was absolutely grotesque.
    We had no business even being close to winning that god awful game.

    Our defence was fucking terrible.

    Our attack was just as bad.

    KB ain’t a 10. After you’ve spent 30mins running sideways with no one running off you, might be time to change the plan.

    Toomua should have been 10 and given a fair crack.

    We really could have used Hooper in this game. There was no one playing with the urgency he brings.

    Tui has hands like fucking arse cheeks.

    For whatever it’s worth Thor needs to start next week. As does Coleman.
    Gordon needs to be on the bench, not the horror show Phipps.
    If Foley isn’t your starting 10 he should be nowhere near the team as he isn’t an impact player .

    Fucking hell. I usually try to find the positives but fuck. That was fucked

    Edit: how fucking hard is it to throw a fucking lineout in?? For fucks sake

    • Greg

      or to catch a pass.

      • Dud Roodt

        Add it to the edit list. I could be here all night

    • Brumby Runner

      Some good points DR, but did you see the NRC games yesterday. Gordon had a shocker and on that form he shouldn’t yet be anywhere near the Wallabies.

      • Dud Roodt

        I didn’t to be honest.

        I, like everyone, knows that Phipps isn’t the answer. And I don’t think Powell is either.

        But we can’t go to the World Cup without a viable back up to Genia. If he gets injured we are more fucked than we currently are. Which is proper fucked

        • Brumby Runner

          How would anyone know how good Powell is. Cheika simply won’t play him for many minutes, if at all, off the bench.

          Ruru completely outclassed Gordon on Saturday. The NSW Country forward pack was pretty weak but that should not be an excuse for the poor showing by Gordon.

    • first time long time

      That was quite turgid for a Dud Roodt ; )

  • MalachyBernard

    Well done Argentina. You deserved it and we deserved to be thrashed for that rubbish across the board.

    Getting rid of MC is not the full answer but is surely part of it. Since we can’t buy out his contract can Castle implement some structures around Chek to limit his damage? Also tell me why Matt Toomua was pulled and not Beale??

  • Alan Grouse

    Worst Wallaby performance in recent memory. Inconsistent lineout, appalling defence, zero maul, clueless attack, shocking handling errors, poor discipline. Where to from here? Cant help but feel a change in coaching is needed but i fear that the quality throughout the side is really lacking. Very disappointing. Professional players should be able to do the basics better than we witnessed tonight.

    • laurence king

      I honestly don’t think that I’ve seen a collection of poor Wallaby performances since the early 1970s. This is not a cattle problem so much as a coaching problem, and it’s not only Cheika. I’ve never seen more dismal backline play than I have from this team over the last four games

      • Human

        Precisely. I think that Cheika is only part of the problem, Grey and Larkham are bigger issues. Our backline play is dreadful….lateral, slow, predictable. Beale is so far out of form I am surprised that he can even find the pitch. Maddocks is not a winger but nor is Koro. Folau remains the most selfish footballer in the country….his try was outstanding but made better by poor Argie defence and he was never going to look for support.

        • laurence king

          This is a team totally lacking in confidence. The inconsistency and the woodenness of execution that has become the norm in this team illustrates this lack of confidence. I think we need regime change and fast because this side is haemorrhaging and badly

  • Gottsy

    We looked like a bunch of retards trying to fuck a doorknob.

    So many talented players in the team, it has to be a coaching issue. We looked lost out there, and it’s becoming too normal.

    • laurence king

      Absolutely, we should storm the Rugby Australia building and demand change.

      • onlinesideline

        yeah with everyone dressed in Wallaby onesies

  • MCOD

    I’d like to write more but my eyes are bleeding

  • Simon

    Pumas could have won that by 20.

    Once again two standout features of Cheika-coached teams lead to a Wallabies loss – poor handling skills and an inability to respond to game conditions with a change of game plan.

    Headed for dead last in the Rugby Championship, a new all-time low in the world rankings at #7 and looking like we’ll be lucky to get out of our pool in the World Cup. This is Cheika’s legacy.

  • Greg

    Congrats to the Pumas. Their broken field play was outstanding.They were equal to or better than us in most areas.

    I was puzzled as to why Toomua was pulled. He was doing more than Beale. Beale did more than Foley.

    Missed tackles.
    Dropped ball.

    Can we blame the coach for that? Really?

    • Huw Tindall

      Yup Beale looks out of sorts. Strange after a cracker of a year at the Tahs.

      Foley still best 10 for mine as he runs straight and takes on the line. Would like to see Toomua outside him and see how it goes.

      • first time long time

        Toomua is better 10 and 12 than Foley.
        Why go back to the player who hasn’t been good enough despite almost 60 tests in a row.

        • Huw Tindall

          Foley the least of the Wallaby problems.

          Lineout and tight running by our tall timber i’d target first. Then we need rugby brains on the pitch which means we lose Korobiete to start with.

        • first time long time

          Can’t argue with your second paragraph Huw.
          But I think Foley is far from the least of our problems and 2 games on the bench hasn’t changed my opinion.

        • Parker

          Really? The pivot of every attack is negligible in what alternate universe?

        • I’d target the line out first, no problem with that. Getting the right 10 is the next issue for me. I’m thinking Toomua might be the right choice. He kicks tactically better than Foley, he kicks nicely from the tee – we don’t have a long baseline for stats, but his kicking % is pretty good over two matches. He runs better than Foley or Beale. He passes just fine.

          Once you’ve got a 10 who doesn’t need a 12 to cover his deficiencies you can pick the rest of back line on merit for their roles, not to cover the problems you make by the previous selection.

          Of course that assumes Cheika pulls his head out of his arse and makes some smart selection calls.

          Toomua might not work out. But he looks a damn sight better than Beale or Foley right now.

      • Parker

        I’d prefer to see Toomua instead of him. Foley’s sell by date passed a while back.

    • Ian Rodger

      We can blame the coach for pulling the wrong player off. I mean I’m no professional coach but I could clearly see toomua was playing a hell of a lot better than beale.

  • sambo6

    Look on the brightside GAGRs…there’s plenty of space in the RA tophy cabinet for the Rugby Championship wooden spoon…..

    • first time long time

      Is it one of those spoons with a dunny key on it? If so make sure they flush before locking it in a cabinet!

      • Parker

        Aaron Smith may be in that dunny cubicle

  • onlinesideline

    Got to bed late and set my alarm to get up here in Budapest and not sleep in.
    I slept right through my alarm.
    Thank You baby Geezuz
    Hows SA and Argies away matches looking.
    I dont want to think
    We are in a nightmare and we cant get out

  • Who?

    SO, given that selected team, apparently we’re all clueless. Because that was closer to the preferred team for many on here (including myself).
    But many of us had questioned Beale at 10, and the moment Toomua left the field, we lost all direction in the backline. I actually didn’t think our forwards were that bad! The scrum was penalized incorrectly by Lacey, who I thought had a terrible game all round (i.e. for both teams – he went nowhere near losing that for us tonight). I thought our scrum looked great. The only difference in our forwards that was a negative all night was losing Samu, as we looked more assured with him there than with Hanigan. Though I’m not saying Ned played badly.
    But the game was lost by dropped ball, poor passes, bad options… Failing to take chances. Even on our last try, it felt like we were trying to bomb it by running sideways rather than straightening and then shifting the ball. If Toomua had stayed on, I maintain we’d have been a much better chance at the win.

    • Parker

      It’s not that Ned plays badly. He gives it his all and you can’t fault a guy for doing his best, but his best is just not up to test standard.

      • Who?

        Exactly. I’ve never said otherwise – last year, I was insisting he should’ve been dropped from the squad and sent home to hit the gym with large joints of roasted meat in his hands. So he could bulk up a bit, because he was a bit light. His ball running has improved this year, but a fully fit Samu (and Pete clearly wasn’t at his best by the time he went off) is a better package.

    • Fatflanker

      Our maul and maul defence were fairly ordinary. Would have liked to see some clear dominance but I agree the scrum was ok, especially given we were up against a coach who knows us backwards.

    • laurence king

      There doesn’t seem to be any belief in this team. When you believe, you find that little bit extra, things seem to happen. And the question is, ‘What are they not believing in?’

      • GeorgiaSatellite

        Their own press.

      • onlinesideline

        Cheika

  • Hoss

    Hello Cheika my old friend
    I’ve come to treat with you again.
    Because your choices are bewildering
    Left me gasping while i was reading
    That the ‘plans’ that are stamped inside your brain
    Still remain
    This is the sound of crying.

    Listless 10’s you pick alone
    Skills that retards would not own
    ‘Neath the halo of a training camp
    Comes the garbage that ‘the boys are amped’
    No one cares for the fans plight
    Another hiding on a Saturday night
    That leads to the sounds of crying

    And on this sacred site i saw
    Ten thousand fans, maybe more
    People blogging without speaking
    Of a team that’s had so many beatings
    Desperate voices fill the air, now ranked 7th
    But no one dares
    To end the sounds of crying

    Fools said, ‘you do not know’
    ‘there is a plan – we told you so’
    ‘Hear my words that i might teach you’
    ‘Stay the course, we beseech you’
    But our tears like silent raindrops fell
    echo in Rugby hell

    And the people bowed and prayed
    To the false god RA had made
    And the coach flashed out his warning
    In the words he struggled forming
    And the coach said ‘my words resonate in the dressing room walls,
    ‘So fuck you all’
    This is the sound of Rugby dying.

    Apologies Mr Simon.

    • NickAJW

      This was absolutely brilliant. Thanjs for the smile :)

    • Who?

      Mr Simon’s version isn’t as good.

    • Parker

      Pure gold

      • Hoss

        ‘Slip sliding away’

    • Huw Tindall

      Stop making us feel good after a loss Hoss

    • Greg

      Not even Trevor or Juan or going to help either you or me get over this one I think. :-(

    • first time long time

      Have you got the lyrics for his other great song…..
      Cheik and Mario down by the school yard?

      • Johno Muzza

        Another song by the Beatles,
        Don’t let me down.

    • GeorgiaSatellite

      Nice one, Hoss. I’d like to add:
      Now he would but give us false hope
      on this strange and mournful day,
      Now the love of the national union
      is all but faded away.

      • onlinesideline

        Golf Clap

    • Kiwi rugby lover

      Hoss you are a friggen legend. Thanks for giving me something to smile at mate. I needed this

      • onlinesideline

        The loss cant hurt the ABs long term. They will return the favour in SA. It has to be healthy to lose every so often and while the darkness made errors, at least it was a high scoring / close game for the win.

        • Hoss

          I feel sorry for Nigel Owen. Boy he did his very best to get the Nearlies home. I actually laughed out loud at some of his crap.

        • onlinesideline

          I heard him say once and Im pretty sure it was in response to a Saffa complaint ” No, Im not being fussy” – really ??? – makes you wonder.

        • Hoss

          Yep mate. My favourite though, Read at the breakdown – ‘leave it black, lost now, leave it’ (Read continues to pick up ball after resting on elbow – comes up with it 3 seconds later) and this from Nigel – ‘play on’

          Ahhhh only from the man with the AB crush.

        • adastra32

          Don’t be concerned – Nige appears these days to do that quite a lot. He’s now a celebrity – see?

        • Keith Butler

          That was a classic example. Almost lost a mouthful of beer but caught it before it hit the ground. Fastest I’ve moved in years.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Absolutely. The Boks were awesome and deserved that win. It was really good seeing how happy them and the Argies were after the games. Not too sad as I’m sure the ABs will learn and move on. I would imagine B.B. is going to have to do some serious goal kicking practice, maybe even practice a drop goal.

        • While I’m sure you’re right, and they’ll have BB practising his place kicking and drop goals, he has days when he kicks like a dream too. Gifting the injured Saffas 14 points hurt more than the 8 points he missed. The intercept pass will happen every now and again, no finger pointing on that one, but the long throw that went to Le Roux… no, no, 1000x no. Jordie, you need to be shot, or at least severely spanked for that.

          OTOH, I’m sure you and I have agreed, on this site in the past, that BB will sometime cost the AB a close game with his poor kicking, and he’ll win them far more games than he ever costs them. That prediction came home to roost!

          The scary thing for the rest of the world – the commentary here in the UK has been “the AB are merely human, they can be beaten, it makes the RWC more exciting.” I’m sitting here thinking “Hansen won’t smile, but he’s finally got really clear lessons to take to his team. It’s not polishing minor technical faults, he’s got a loss to use as his object lesson.” The ABs are going to bounce back from this a lot stronger. In 13 or 14 months, when they lift the Webb-Ellis trophy again, I won’t be surprised if Hansen pinpoints this as a key factor in the defence of the win.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Yeah although I think he still needs to practice more as while I agree a team loses a game and if you rely on a last minute kick then you need to look at where else things went wrong. Funnily enough that also applies to Folau, yes he should have passed, however firstly he can’t and secondly a lot of other things got the, to that point.

          The ABs will learn far more from this loss than they ever would from a win. Hansen and co said at the start of the year that they were looking at new tactics to negate the rush defence and that this would be a learning curve. I think they expect losses this year and if it leads to a threepeat then I’m all for it.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Yeah mate I’m not that worried about it. TBH seeing how happy the Boks were was just great. They played well 8n both defence and attack and took their chances. ABs should have closed it out but made some mistakes and will learn from them. For me; Jordie is a great player but still has some learnings, Goodhue is a better 13 than LB and B Smith should be 15, BB needs to practice place kicking and drop goals, Read should have taken the points prior to the 75 min mark. Minor shit though and can’t take anything away from the Boks they were fantastic. Full of heart and desire

      • Hoss

        Know how you feel mate. The morning after and I still feel dazed and sullied. I was kind of resigned to losing mid-way through the first half, all the signs were there. Lack of interest, no direction, a ball player who couldn’t even catch or pass, flat-footed forwards, everything seemed to reveal itself in slow motion.

        I had to check if the game was being played on Mars – no atmosphere, 16,000 people my arse (they must have been counting legs not bodies) and I awake this morning to find that Tui wants out for the remainder of the year due to loss of his step-dad and the run-in with that tosser who assaulred his sister and gave them a spray.

        We should change the name to the ‘Manuel’s’ – a team full of waiters – they all wait for someone else to do something.

        A team bereft of skill (Mick the kick ???). A team who cannot tackle (Nathan ‘the turnstyle’ Grey ????). Who are clueless. In attack (Bernie Larkham ???) and are without confidence, belief,direction or soul (Mr Cheika)

        All in all the most depressing, ineffectual, rudderless performance of a Wallaby side I believe I have ever seen and I would argue that 7th in the world and last in the championship is richly deserved.

    • Keith Butler

      Pneumonia obviously hasn’t dulled your brain. Brilliant.

    • Brisneyland Local

      Hoss. POst of the year!
      Immediate GAGR acadey award for that one.
      I am in awe.

  • Hitcho

    I’ve had a few beers, that’s a given. It helps to dull the pain. But can some learned rugby critic please tell me why the F@&k after Beale crabbed across the field multiple times for nothing, then falcons not once but twice, Cheika replaces Toomua instead of Beale? Is this a russian interference in a US election thing?

    • Who?

      And then we have the third test this year where we have a gerryowen in our own 22 as a clearing kick (Beale was the kicker this time)…
      Cheika is clearly not a competent coach right now.

    • Simon

      Because Cheika has the worst case of bias and inability to recognise said bias I’ve ever seen in a coach in any sport at this level.

      That’s why Castle has had to put in an “independent” selection advisor, which is a damning indictment when you are basically admitting a head coach can’t be trusted to pick his own team. The team lists do seem to have improved slightly since that happened but I guess that selector can’t influence in-game substitution decisions.

      • onlinesideline

        But the selectors cant stop the coach pulling off a Toomua and keeping on a Beale.

      • Greg

        ‘That’s why Castle has had to put in an “independent” selection advisor’

        Has she? Who is that?

        • Simon

          I haven’t actually seen a name attached to it, but it was reported in the News Corp papers a few weeks ago.

        • Garry

          I heard her friend Brad Thorn’s name penciled in.

        • onlinesideline

          there goes Quades chances then

    • Fatflanker

      Yeah, in the main our finishers were fluffers but pulling Toomua was madness.

    • mikado

      Now you mention it, I did wonder why Kurtley Beale kept visiting Salisbury Cathedral whilst he was at Wasps.

    • mutley

      Even toomua was completely flummoxed by that. You can see that as someone who has been distanced from Australian rugby for a while, he’s entirely confused by the shitshow he’s walked back in to

      • onlinesideline

        I thought that was just me, but he does have this air about him, that says, silent respect but bewilderment at the same time. He doesnt look happy.

  • mikado

    Wow, I did not see that coming. Really depressing performance. I’ve been a Beale fan but it’s just not happening for him, is it. And it seems the forwards are not generating much forward momentum either.

    • disqus_NMX

      He’s an outside back, not a 10.

      • mikado

        I prefer Beale at 12, but he’s not lit it up this season in any position. Australia could try him at 15 but personally I think his defence is not good enough for 15. I think Australia had much better candidates for Wing.

        • GO THE Q REDS

          Beale actually had his best super rugby year ever thus year… . .Statistically

  • onlinesideline

    In my gut I felt last weeks victory was just going to postpone the pain and felt it better that we just lose and get this over with because I always tipped 3 out of the 4 matches at least were going to be losses. This is going to be a hard hard October – Nov.
    A loss in Mendoza and another to the Poms – too horrible to think about.
    SA loss is a given. What to do.

    • Huw Tindall

      As a Wallaby fan i’m developing masochistic tendencies so it’s all good

  • Ian Rodger

    Just my opinions from the game. Took a little walk through the dutch woods to cool off and reflect on the shit performance.

    If anybody still thinks folau is a fullback they should just watch this game. He can’t pass or make a decision. He can basicly do 3 things really well. Catch a high ball, finish and step of his right foot!
    Should stay on the wing.

    Why did cheika pull toomua off? If any back deserved to come off it was beale.

    Lastly the forwards, showed some mongrel but have to work on their catching and passing.

    Overall the Puma’s deserved to win!!

    • Huw Tindall

      All our tall timber run too upright. The much maligned Hanigan actually puts his head down!!

      • onlinesideline

        agree, he runs at ppl properly, why cant our tall forwards get this. Why is Cheika not screaming this to them at training ? Its happpened in all 7 tests this year. We have lost 5 of 7 tests this year – just thinking about it.

        • Huw Tindall

          The poor bastard probably is…no wonder he is so frustrated.

      • Kiwi rugby lover

        True but he still goes backwards rather than forwards in the contact. I’m not blaming him because he’s just doing his best, I just don’t think he’s up to this level of play.

    • onlinesideline

      Watch those wild boer mate, they are everywhere. Had a girlfriend deep in the woods years near Appeldorn years back. Used to see them in the distance, fierce looking things.

      • disqus_NMX

        You were dating a wild boar?

        • GeorgiaSatellite

          A wide bore. No wait, that was one I dated.

        • Brisneyland Local

          Pure Gold

      • mikado

        “Wild Boer” intentional or typo? Funny either way.

    • mikado

      I assumed that Cheika pulled Toomua because he wanted to go back to an established combination (Genia-Foley-Beale). Putting Toomua outside Foley risked misfiring due to unfamiliarity?

      • Ian Rodger

        An established combination that has proven not to work? Makes no sense.

        • mikado

          It cut England to shreds at the RWC so I don’t think you say say it’s proven not to work. It hasn’t fired so well this last year, but an unfamiliar combination is a risk too.

        • Who?

          But they weren’t 10 and 12 that game. They were 10 and 11 (off the bench) – Giteau was at 12.
          I get that he was looking back to a familiar combo, but the problem was that Beale was dropping far too much pill. If we’d retained half the pill he dropped, we’d have won.
          So he subbed on Foley, who did rather little, missed a conversion, and we lost (because Beale was still there, when he clearly needs a spell).

        • mikado

          Ah ok, I forgot that.

        • David Creagh

          When did anything Chiek does have to make sense? Hasn’t for three years, how else do you explain Hannigan and Korribieti.

    • first time long time

      Hi Ian, just checking did you literally take a walk through the Dutch woods? Or is that a euphemism? If so please explain ; )

      • Ian Rodger

        Haha I live in Holland, so I literally took a walk there!

  • NickAJW

    Game was awful, but does anyone else feel like Cheika torpedoes decent selection decisions? He gave QC a run, but then put BF outside him, when it didn’t work, canned QC. Now giving Toomua a run but puts KB at 10 inside him, instead of letting him either play 10, or have a go with a real 10. Perhaps it’s his way of ‘proving’ he is right in his selections?

    I thought the scrum reffing was abysmal (as an LHP myself) but that didn’t win or lose us the game. We were just shit.

    Poor discipline, poor decision making, poor everything.

    A lot of people slatig DHP for

    • GO THE Q REDS

      The reffing was pretty poor overall. DHP had a good solid game again.

      • Ed

        Yep, we can’t blame the referee.
        The Wallabies have not won the penalty count since our win in Argentina last year. Since then we have conceded more penalties in seven tests and the same in the other five.

      • Adrian

        Poor reffing yes, but it favoured us at some key times

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Absolutely

        • Brisneyland Local

          Mate agree. We definitely got the rub of the green last night. I can see why Creevey was losing his shit. I think the Mad Irishman had a set of dice in his pocket and was just rolling them to see what the decision should be.

      • Brumby Runner

        The ref was the only one on the ground who had a poorer game than the whole of the Wallabies. I put the blame for all the stop-start scrum resets right at his feet.

  • onlinesideline

    I wonder if Izzy perceived Foleys pointng as “have a go yourself “? What Foley was really saying was “straighten up, stop crabbing, draw the man and then pass it to me you clutz”
    Just goes to show FB or wing, skill problems follow you everywhere.

    • GO THE Q REDS

      He had to “crab” in that situation to pick up speed and avoid the other 4 defenders in front of him. I wouldn’t pass it to Foley either. 99 out 100 times Folou beats the players in the tackle zone and makes this few metres….AT LEAST. Hence this time a TRY would/could have been scored. He had the ball in his right hand to keep it away from the defenders so a right handed pop pass was always tricky, plus he’s not a brilliant passer anyway. The team backed him when earlier he beat the whole argie squad in a brilliant try. .. . The saying its great in hindsight pops to mind.

      • onlinesideline

        Ok crabbing you have a point but there was definitely time for Izzy to pass and space for Foley to dive over. They were still 5-6 meteres out not 2-3. Izzy should be be able to lighting pop a ball to Foley in that situation IMO. You see those situations in NRL every weekend and its 99% a try. Foley is no prima donna and even he put his hands up in disbelief and you wont see him sell out a team mate easily.

        • David Creagh

          Izzy ain’t smart. He is all instinct.

      • Geoffro

        I can’t agree.He showed individual brilliance and footwork to score his first try and could have used some of that to get in a possie to offload to Foley.Rush of blood,selfishness,dumbassedness whatever he made wrong decision and bombed a try bigtime.

      • Adrian

        If we had scored that try, we would have been truly undeserved winners Reds

      • Parker

        OK with that said, can you explain why Izzy couldn’t hold the ball in impact? I still think he should have passed it to Foley….Or do you think Izzy thought “If I pass it Foley scores, we win and then Foley will be back in the team. Oh God no!” Nah, I think he just hogged it as usual.

  • Huw Tindall

    I honestly believe the Tahs side with Coleman and Rodda would have won that game. Wallabies just seem to lack cohesion.

    What to blame after the side that
    the most vocal punters reckoned was the best selection in years goes down?

    Taf is cooked. Bring in BPA, Folau, Latu. Whoever has the best throw.

    Beale ain’t a 10. 12 or bench. Foley at least takes on the line and doesn’t know how to run sideways. Always in the right place at the right time too…see the last play of this game. Until we’ve got someone better he isn’t the problem.

    Samu looked like a poor man’s Hooper this game. When fit he is 100% a starter. Plus Poey had to do too much tackling without his mate Hooper leading the defensive line at 10/12. He is the jackal not the tackler.

    Actually sold on Tui for now. Good lineout takes and runs. Still a very heavy 6 and Dempsey looked dynamic in his comeback cameo today. Also Holloway could be in the mix as he continues to shine even in a losing side.

    Korobiete is gone. Easy to find a replacement for pace on the kick chase/kick off as that’s all he offers.

    Izzy and DHP fine at 15/14. Sure he fluffed the final pass but nobody in world rugby scored his try but him.

    Give Genia a rest too. Contrcersial

    • Who?

      Don’t know how Cheika can justify Koroibeter after the games this year, especially the last two. Last game, he runs into touch in front of Maddocks. This game, he runs in support of Pocock 2m outside the touch line. Isn’t a winger’s job to know where the sideline is, and use it..?

      • Huw Tindall

        Don’t know who is next in line…Tom English after his 5 tries in the NRC this weekend? Could do worse. He has pace too.

        • first time long time

          Banks

        • Huw Tindall

          Another 15 out of position?

        • first time long time

          Tonight we played our usual fullback on the wing except when he was outside centre and the guy who’s just getting the hang of outside centre on the wing and our best 10 at 12 and an inside centre having his worst game of the season at 10 only to replace our best 10 (who is playing 12 remember) with the guy who was dropped cause he was shite and moving the inside centre (who’s playing 10/falcon badly) back to inside centre……..

          Sorry mate, what was the question again?????
          I’m not sure how the Argies knew who to tackle.

        • GO THE Q REDS

          Yep and THATS exactly why I’m over Cheika. It’s a joke.

        • first time long time

          Someone recently compared the wallabies plan/structures to a crazy women’s shit….. allover the place. I think that’s being unkind to crazy woman shit.

        • onlinesideline

          bang on

        • Geoffro

          They didn’t need to decide,just wait for somebody to stuff up.I hate being so negative but that really was a shite performance from our best?? professional rugby side.The guys played like rubbish and made fundamental errors not related to whichever position they were occupying on the field.Folau’s howler at the death just iced the cake.(or should I say filled the shit sandwich)

        • David Creagh

          Not much bread on the shit sandwich. Lightly crumbed with a parsley and carrot garnish.

        • Who?

          Naivalu, Banks, Speight. Koro hasn’t played a good game all year. I mean, in any of the 7 Tests thus far. A winger’s job is to run hard and not run into touch – yet he was 1.5m outside the sideline when he was supporting Pocock last night…

    • NickAJW

      Agree on Koroibete, As I think most do.

      Also agree on Foley as much as it surprises me, he isn’t going to give Toomoua a shot at 10, and he isn’t going to bring back QC, so he is the best option under Cheika.

      I disagree on Genia though, he has the occasional bad game, but most games he is the best option at 9 we have by a mile. Phipps for me runs around a bit like a headless chicken, tonnes of energy, no accuracy.

      • Huw Tindall

        I couldnt believe it when I was typing it but stuff happened when he is on. High risk/reward player is Phipps. Passion, a motor and a cover tackle he has though.

        • juswal

          Tonight, we had the ball with two minutes to go, down by 4, making ground inside their half—and Phipps passed it over the sideline. That’s it, all done—the end of his Test career.

        • Huw Tindall

          Right call and another player got in the way I believe. Need to check it again.

        • Adrian

          Exactly, I think Tui in the way

        • first time long time

          He doesn’t have to throw a shit pass, he can hold the ball.
          That was all on him not the player “in the way”

    • laurence king

      Huw, there seemed to be a complete lack of cohesion tonight, the backline play was positively wooden. The team seems to be playing their hearts out but without any clear direction and their thinking seems paralysed. And why does that sort of thing happen. For the most part I think we have pretty good cattle and even with the ones we’ve got they should have played better than that. This side is getting worse in my opinion. In 1997 Australia got walloped by SA and the coach Greg Smith resigned I think (I don’t think that he was a well man at the time). Maqueen took over and with much the same players we won the WC in 1999. IMO this side may have lost confidence in the coaching staff. At the very least I think that the main problem is a mental one.

      • David Creagh

        Poor bloke had a brain tumor. It was the only way I could see it justified playing the NSW halfback over Gregan.

    • Geoffro

      Fair calls but don’t agree on Coleman.Was so frustrated every time he hits up the ball he does a little soft shoe shuffle then goes down. big creampuff.

    • OnTheBurst

      Huw, Phipps must never play in gold again. He is not Test level. Gordon needs to be blooded as he is clearly the second best 9 in Australia

      • Adrian

        Agree re Gordon, but Phipps certainly didn’t cause this anymore than 22 others

        • first time long time

          But Phipps is not part of the solution and never will be, so cut him and get someone else in

        • OnTheBurst

          Agreed – but I didn’t say that. I’m just saying the Phipps years must be over, we need a solid and dependable finishing halfback who can get the job done. Phipps ain’t it

    • Adrian

      Agree 100% Huw.
      It’s mostly coaching and cohesion, but the sacred cows aren’t just the usual suspects.
      I’m glad you mentioned half back.

      Genia gets there far too slowly, and I too would definitely try Gordon. Agree Phipps would speed it up too, but that won’t be popular here, as he will be picked on for one bad pass.

      Having said all of that, it’s 90% a coaching issue.

      Beale running crossfield wouldn’t look so silly if guys were coached to run onto passes running straight or angled in.

      Attack coaching 101

      • Human

        I agree re Genia…I love him but he is too slow too often. Seems to be playing to a script rather than to what is actually happening…he makes it looks like a training run rather than a match. I like Phipps’ energy but not his craziness. I would like to see a complete change to a new generation. Beale crabbing might be ok if he did not do it every fucking time.

      • Who?

        Beale running crossfield wouldn’t look so silly if guys were coached to run onto passes running straight or angled in.
        Exactly. And the same for Cooper, Giteau… The issue with drifting has never been the drifter, it’s been the ball runners not being correctly set out. Even Foley, when he came on, in the lead up to that last try, was running at 45º across the field (I thought he should’ve run straighter, to preserve the space, but it shows even ‘Nard can drift).

        • Adrian

          Agree 100% Who

        • Who?

          Should do – I was quoting you! :-)

    • Brumby Runner

      Gordon and Holloway had dreadful games yesterday. Neither should be anywhere near the Wallabies on those showings.

    • David Creagh

      Beale is a good 12 not a 10. Toomua 10.
      I liked the back row Pocock was quiet but he has been immense this year.
      Disagree on Izzy’s try, Ioane for the All Blacks or McKenzie do similar but bring more to the table.

      • Who?

        I half wonder if the reason Pocock was seemingly quiet was that Samu wasn’t as his peak for a good part of the time he was out there, and where Pocock was required to play? Because he was roaming much wider than he’d normally play, probably filling Hooper’s position in the alignment?

    • Who?

      Foley ran hard at 45º in the lead up to the last try. There’s nothing wrong with going sideways, it’s about the rest of the backline being correctly aligned.
      We should be starting Toomua at 10…

  • Huw Tindall

    Still think i’m on the side of happy v sad this weekend after the ABs loss. Sad bloody state if affairs when thats all a Wallaby fan can hope for

    • Who?

      I’ve seen it mentioned elsewhere that perhaps this is the first weekend we’ve both lost since 2007. And in 2007, the ABs should’ve taken the droppie in that game, too…

      • Huw Tindall

        Ha love that if it’s a fact

  • Dally M

    All the changes people have been asking for – Foley to the bench, Hooper out & Pocock to 7, Folau to the wing…..and we get one of the biggest turds of the season served up!

    • Who?

      Wasn’t all the changes. Koroibete was still there. Beale was at 10… Toomua was pulled when Beale was the one constantly dropping the pill.

      • Dally M

        Yeah i forgot QC would have saved that mess had he been at 10…lol

        • disqus_NMX

          Certainly couldn’t be worse.

        • Gipetto

          Quade doesn’t try to catch the ball with his face. Bring back Simmo!

        • Huw Tindall

          Mate just play the Tahs side. Problem solved.

        • Ad Tastic

          I thought that’s what we were doing

        • Brisneyland Local

          Good call!

        • Who?

          Gilbert does have a long history of that, doesn’t he..? Just thinking about Bloemfontein in 2010, when you pointed that out!

        • onlinesideline

          He would have been better than this mess – since we have dumped him we have lost virtually every bloody test we’ve played. And one thing has been common to them all – a completely and utterly shit attack. Our 10-12 has been shit for 4 years and its getting worse.

        • GO THE Q REDS

          Mate if Cheika ever leaves. … QUADE will be back in the mix in a heart beat. Genia, Quade, Tomoua is and always will be the most world class combo the wallabies could and should’ve gone with the last few years. ….. Hopefully the Rebels show everyone that.

        • Who?

          Where did I mention QC? In fact, where have I advocated for QC to be selected in Gold this year? He’s not played Super Rugby, and therefore isn’t really considered for selection.
          Toomua should’ve been at 10. Beale could’ve been at 12. It takes the responsibility for game management off his shoulders, and gives it to Toomua, leaving Beale to overcall when he sees an opportunity. Just as he does with Foley. It changes up the team and gives options, without disrupting the backline nearly so much as switching Beale to 10 does, and without loading up Beale when he was already a bit off his game at 12 against the ABs (I noted he was dropping passes he’d normally swallow last week, and pointed back to Eden Park and Sydney).

        • Dally M

          I wasn’t referring to you Who?.

          It was a tongue in cheek comment for those who had been advocating for him. Strange they all went to ground the week after the Drua flogged Brisbane City too.

          BTW i’d like to see Toomua get a crack too.

        • Who?

          This article got too intense for Disqus to keep up with it in my browser, so this only just came through.
          Thanks for clarifying. :-)

    • Kiwi rugby lover

      I know right. My only consolation is that I also want KB out of 10 and Koroibete out of the team. I’m cute currently hanging on that for now

    • disqus_NMX

      It doesn’t matter what changes are made to the team while the current coaches are still in place.

  • Fatflanker

    Ranked 7th in the world from Monday – ouch.

    Another game where you think we’re going to run over the top of them after 20 minutes only to watch our lads bomb opportunity after opportunity after opportunity as their self-confidence and decision-making goes to custard.

    • Huw Tindall

      Don’t know what’s happened since Ireland game 1 where we looked amazing. How do we implode even when our Super sides are improving? Maybe it is down to the changing the coaches…but they haven’t ‘lost’ the change room so what to do?

      • mikado

        Ireland 1 probably flattered the Wobs. The Irish were tired and missing some key players.

      • Brumby Runner

        How do you know they haven’t lost the change room. All the indications from their performances would point to that being precisely the problem.

      • Brisneyland Local

        I think they may have. The way Genia was so pissed at the end of the game. He was pretty much pointing to detain players with our naming them. Which means divided camp, which means coaches have lost control of the room.

        • Who?

          And I blame Cheika for him having that attitude. Because Cheika’s attitude is always about intensity. It’s never that we weren’t smart enough, it’s always that we weren’t fit/hard/desperate enough. That’s rubbed off on Will.
          Reality was, we had more than enough possession to win that match. We had more than enough territory to win that match. We just dropped too much pill at key times, and made some incredibly dumb decisions. It wasn’t effort, it was intelligence.

        • Brisneyland Local

          AAbsolutely agree!

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Yep and in the press conference it was all about not having enthusiasm at critical times. What a load of shit. So the players are enthusiastic and then just as things start going well they lose it! How does that dribble not get challenged?

  • Huw Tindall

    Bitching aside hats off to the Argies. Great advert for fast wingers with great footwork.

    • Kiwi rugby lover

      Absolutely mate. They are a pure joy to watch. So much better than relying solely on power

  • juswal

    I’m as dissatisfied as anyone/everyone else with the result, our handling, Beale, etc. I thought the selection changes made us better. We would have had a worse loss without them.

    We scored three tries to two; they scored three penalty goals to none. Worth noting. That’s how the scoreboard has looked in dozens of Wallabies Test losses over the years.

    We were one clean pass away from sneaking a win. I think the last Test against Ireland went down the same way. Our most experienced backs fail to execute in those critical moments.

    The lineout is still borked. Ball security is still borked. Our big forwards are still getting hit while upright. The ball still gets passed over the sideline. Clearing kicks still don’t make it far. Replacements aren’t coming on at the right time.

    • disqus_NMX

      Get all this right and we will demolish teams like Argentina, and so we should. Cheika has had his turn, time to move on.

  • first time long time

    I don’t think selections (apart from the bench) were too big an issue this week, everyone has a player or 2 they would change. For mine Taf will struggle to get to RWC so get someone else in.
    Everyone, apart from Cheika and Mark Ella, knows that Beale hasn’t been a success at 10 since school.
    I like Koroibete’s willingness but Banks needs to get a run instead.

    Substitutions mmmm.
    Beale had a shocker, which happens, but why did he stay on the field and Toomua subbed. It stinks of the old shuffle Foley to 12 or bench for a couple of games then back to business as usual.

    Hanigan no, would rather Timu, Holloway or Higginbotham.
    Phipps no. Gordon

    How about that dickhead “fan” at the end of the game almost getting in a blue with Tui!
    Kudos to the guy who frog marched him out by the throat.

    • Brumby Runner

      See my earlier comment about Gordon. Holloway was another who was entirely disappointing and was replaced early. Not yet for the test side. If Tui is now out, then time to consider either Cottrell or Philip to join the squad and play No 6.

      • first time long time

        My issue is that as discussed below the backline was a cluster fuck.
        Then whe Samu comes off we have to move the lock, who is learning his trade at 6 and doing ok, to 8 where he has never played so that Hanigan can go to 6 and do nothing effective.
        I agree Cottrel or Philip would be better than Hanigan or Jones (not sure if he’s available yet). There are plenty of better options.

  • onlinesideline

    How old is Bob Dwyer ?
    Macqueen ?

    • juswal

      Let’s just say he thinks the Beatles are long-haired sissies, and television is a fad that won’t last.

      • onlinesideline

        I’ll accept that – sign im up.

        • Keith Butler

          I’ll see your Dwyer and raise a Jones, Alan that is.

        • onlinesideline

          No way – Bob knows how to coach ALTHOUGH one caveat. Im sure as Bob and Cheika are buddies, they would be on the blower with each other quite a bit. And I wonder if Bob was behind Beales move to 10. They are both diehard Waratahs blokes and still may see Beale through the Joeys No 10 schoolboy days lense which is not realistic. Link was the man to set the Wallabies free but alas…..honestly I see no-one absolutely no-one who is a contender. Maybe its time to put the gumboots and raincoat on and plan a trip into the inner sanctum of the south Island of NZ rugbyand see if there are any coaches shunned by the establishment willing to have a crack at the Wallby job. Oh hold on, we’ve done that … mate I dunno I think we’re fucked.

        • Keith Butler

          My tongue was firmly in my cheek. Question though. If QC ends up at the Rebels and they have Genia, Cooper and Tomoua for 2019 and if the Rebs have a stellar season making the finals would Wessels be in the running post RWC?

        • laurence king

          I would love to see what Quade could do with a good forward pack. There’s a man who can consistently put players into gaps and players know it.

        • GO THE Q REDS

          Cooper was a key reason why Tongan Thor signed at the Reds….to taste that Quade Cooper wizardry! Think of all the players Quade has brought into the spotlight in recent years. That’s a long list. … .just yesterday Tasi Tasi was motm on debut running great lines off QUADE all game. And he got into the NRC playing well outside Quade at South’s.

        • Keith Butler

          Everything up in the air with QC – will he won’t he. Rebs pack needs to improve a fair bit to give the backs front foot ball and get the best out of whoever wears the 10 jersey.

        • onlinesideline

          I dont know but the more pressing question for me would be whether QC gets invited back into camp, if he really does have a stellar season as in the RWC camp.

          The thing with Cheika is who has he blooded in the backs over 4 years who has turned into a Gits or AAC or Mortlock.

        • laurence king

          I don’t think that Cheika could do that. I don’t think he could go back to Quade, Cheika is very subjective in his approach.

        • mutley

          Quite a few seem to look good before they come into the wallaby squad, then they get overlooked for the favourites or are just doomed to fail outside Foley.
          I almost don’t want banks in the team because cheika will find a way to break him

        • disqus_NMX

          Well, TBH, if Cheika is still in charge, then it doesn’t matter if QC is playing out of his skin for the Rebels and then gets into the RWC squad, the team will still go shit.

    • Brumby Runner

      Used to coach Methuselah when he was at school, I hear.

      • Brisneyland Local

        Wasnt Methuselah. He coached when Moses was full back for Jerusalem!

    • David Creagh

      Rod McQueen anyone? At least there would be some innovation.

    • Bakkies

      Bob is 77.

      • Greg

        Perfect age for an advisor. Shouldn’t be a lot of fear or favour!

      • Parker

        Bob in a wheelchair with an oxygen tank would be an improvement on the current status.

  • Mitch T Gray

    My favourite bit of the game was when Phipps passed the ball to nobody and it rolled over the touch line. Phipps then clapped his hands together and tried to rally the troops with a big Leyton Hewitt inspired ‘Come On’.

    • Phill

      I was actually watching Lleyton win a Davis Cup doubles match in Austria today, instead of sitting at home and watching the rugby. Think I made the better choice.

  • mikado

    I should add, well done Argentina. It looks like Ledesma has turned them round. I’m impressed.

    Massive kudos to Rassie Erasmus. Another result I would never have predicted. And a great result for the competitiveness of the RC.

    Lastly many thanks Reg for the excellent and speedy writeup.

    • Parker

      Ditto. Well said Mikado

  • The Genia-Beale combination is really not working. I’m not sure how to split the blame there, I don’t think it’s all Beale’s fault.

    He stands a lot flatter than Foley, so he needs faster, cleaner ball. Genia, if you compare him to Aaron Smith and Perenara (who have to deal with BB standing flat) basically plant their feet, pick the ball up, pass and step with that motion. Genia picks the ball up and takes at least one step then starts passing. Beale is already moving and the ball is arriving in an odd position. It’s not helped by the fact he’s then looking up, looking off to check his next play or whatever, but if the pass was faster, the ball would already be there.

    I’m not sure you can really drop Genia though. I wouldn’t object to resting him for a couple of matches and try Gordon-Beale for a while. But, Toomua played 10 at Leicester a bit last year fairly successfully. Shifting to 10 at test level is a big step up. I’d still like to see Genia/Gordon, Toomua, Beale though. Toomua seems to do a lot of the things you’d want from a 10 – he kicks well from hand, he kicks well from the tee (OK, he can do that with a 12 on his back), he runs good lines and he passes well. Like a lot of people I really didn’t understand why he was hooked for Foley instead of Beale. It didn’t do the Wobs any favours.

    The forwards, in general, need lessons on bending their legs at the knees and hips. How often did they go into tackles too upright and defend driving mauls too high? Everyone gets caught too upright in a tackle occasionally but this was crazy. And the mauls were just as bad. A good mauling side will usually look good, but that looked like professionals against schoolboys, regularly.

    It might seem crazy to say after a loss, but I thought this starting Wallabies back row looked better than the Pooper. It won’t be a popular opinion, but I’d be happy to see those three retained for the next start. I still feel Hooper looks very busy but doesn’t add enough actual impact. Folau on the wing with a roaming brief looks a lot better and a lot more involved than he has at 15 for a while. Maybe it’s just the new position but that’s an experiment to keep on with too.

    I don’t think Cheika will do ANY of that. I’ll predict it now – Foley will come back. Pooper will be back. Izzy back to 15. And two more loses, bottom of the RC at the end of the year.

    Congratulations to Argentina. The thing that is really scary is that watching that match, while they’ve got some good fundamentals in there, they’ve still got a lot of things to work on. That isn’t like the end of a (normal) AB’s match when they say “there are things to work on” and you’re left thinking “yeah, right.” The Pumas really, clearly, do have room to improve a lot. But under Ledesma they seem to be doing exactly that. I’m resisting the urge to contrast that to their opposition today as the final sentence… So I’ll finish with this. Ledesma and his staff have clearly got a clear plan for how they want to play in attack, defence and transition. The players all understand it, support it and working on the skills to implement it at the speed and intensity required for test rugby. In 12 months time, they’re going to be a handful in Japan.

    • mikado

      Great stuff Eloise, really interesting breakdown of the Genia-Beale axis.

    • Kiwi rugby lover

      Love reading your posts mate. You nail things well. I still think the issue with the Wallabies is the top 10%. The continual poor decision making under pressure is a mental issue and they need help in learning how to make good decisions under pressure, this goes to the bloody replacement plan during the match as well. I love Cheika’s passion but his decision making is as shit as the players

      • Ed

        Agree KRL. While your boys also lost night they have made big strides post RWC-2007 in employing Gilbert Enoka. Do we, the Wallabies, have an equivalent or is it Cheika’s golf club?
        Pocock has the Australian mantra of questioning every decision by the ref. Pick the times when you badger him so to speak.
        Maybe Cheika replaced Toomua as he is due to play against Worcester next weekend.

      • They certainly have an issue with the top 10% too but there’s some core skills issues too. How can the forwards set up for a defensive line out, not jump and STILL be too high in the maul? That’s not a mental issue (you can argue they should make a better choice about jumping or setting for the maul) that’s simple technique. Passing in front of the player and so on… They need to work on both sides of the game, sadly.

        I’m wondering though. In my original comment I said that the Argentinian players have a clear understanding of the game plan and have bought in. I implicitly contrasted that to the Wobs under Cheika. How much of the poor decision making is directly down to the players and how much down to a convoluted game plan that leaves them thinking “wtf am I meant to be doing now” I wonder? You don’t need to pause for thought for many tenths of a second at test level before someone hits you and you’re not in a good position, your support players aren’t there and all the rest of it.

        While it didn’t work for the AB last night – on a night they gifted 14 points to the opposition and only lost by 2 – you don’t see their players second guessing decisions. BB, DMac make a choice and commit. The players around them see that and react to whatever choice it is. The Pumas aren’t as good at it yet, but they’re basically doing the same thing. Australia, they see someone doing something that’s not quite what they expect, and stop.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Yeah I think the Australian coaches are in love with structured moves and trying to have people in different positions at different times. But as BL will attest to, no plan survives the first shot. The problem with a structured approach is that when someth8ng else happens it’s hard to react. The Wallabies are not reacting well to the fluid nature of the game, and they haven’t got the right people in the right positions to do that

    • Adrian

      Excellent comments all round Eloise, especially having the guts to mention Genia

    • laurence king

      Good summation. Imo, the coach is the reason for this disastrous season. I was a supporter of Cheika but I have lost complete trust in his ability to alter the downward spiral of this team. Bring in regime change, make some adjustments to selection but by and large give the team a chance to redeem itself in a new climate as they are not bad players.

    • joy

      Ladesma revealed his back three plan during his post match interview. They are free spirits with no fear of failure and he clearly does not want that to change.

      • Well it’s probably not going to win them the RWC, but it makes for entertaining matches and if it’s not just random it can work. Going for it, when it’s on, but a little bit of structure so they’re supporting each other as they take off can be really dangerous. Look at how many line breaks they’ve got in the last two weeks.

    • mutley

      I believe you are right with regards to genia. When phipps came on he immediately injected some speed to the breakdown. Of course then he did what he always does and passed it over the sideline, so he’s not the answer.
      Powell and Gordon are never going to get better just sitting on the pine, and the being dropped for phipps again. They miss games they could be playing in the nrc, which in turn would be improving that comp and the players in it.
      For me, Beale is nowhere near the answer at 10.he is an instinctive player who needs space. The reason the backs kept running into each other is the outside backs were expecting a certain play but Beale then thinks he sees something else and runs to that gap rather than passing the ball quickly and trusting the players outside him to recognise and hit the gap themselves. Dhp and hodge looked good when they were playing in their position and doing what they should have been doing, rather than trying to work out what was going on in Beale’s head.
      In the forwards, tpn should make himself unavailable so cheika can’t pick him. Hannigan looked ok when he came on this time. As others have said he had his body height right and some enthusiasm. Kepu had a great run, faainga continued to play well. The locks looked out of sorts all game. Pocock seemed distracted. I’m wondering if being captain puts him off his game a little.

      • Human

        Not his best game but Pocock world his ring off. Countless times he mad the tackle, stood up fought in the ruck or got out to the edge of the ruck to make the next tackle. He did a mountain of work in tight and loose.

      • I realise the AB backs are not the Wobs backs, but they manage to cope with an unpredictable 10. When Crotty and Goodhue, currently the AB best 12 and 13 IMO, are playing they don’t even have the experience of playing outside Barrett at Super Rugby level. Laumape has that benefit. I think SBW is too up and down in form to be selected to be honest, but I’m sure they’ll go with SBW and Crotty at some point this year. ALL of those combinations cope with Barrett and whatever he decides to do, then when MacKenzie comes on and does different mercurial things, they cope with him too. What is so different about their backs?

        All that said, I think you could be right and Beale just needs the extra space he gets at 10.

        While I broadly agree about Hannigan, he looked a lot better than last year, as I’ve commented above, the back row in general looked out of balance with him there. That’s not a criticism of him personally, but there were roughly two 6’s and a 7, no real 8. That mix of skills and things an 8 should do were lacking and it showed. I disagree that Pocock looked distracted, I think after Samu left, that was the change in balance of the back row showing. Actually I thought he mostly had a really good game, and handled the ref a lot better than Hooper too. Even if he disagreed it didn’t appear to get angry. No sugar bowls, hands on hips, no looking like he wanted to kill the ref, even if he did.

        • mutley

          Oh pocock played well, but he seemed to react to the niggle more than usual.

        • Who?

          Maybe, given he copped a high shot with no penalty in the first few minutes, that was understandable..? Lacey had no control over that game last night. Not over either team. At 65 minutes, he’s still telling the starting Pumas THP to stop pre-binding. 65 minutes, and the THP still hasn’t done what he’s been asking since the first scrum. When’s he going to FK or Penalize?
          And it’s not like Creevey had any reason to be happy either.
          It didn’t cost anyone the game (the right team won), but it was a very, very poor performance from Lacey.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Agree with Crotty and Goodhue the best 12, 13 combination.
          I feel sorry for Hanigan. Absolutely gives his best but just not good enough. Not his fault and I’d play if picked so can’t blame him at all, but he’s just not good enough to be a test player.

        • 30 mm tags

          Yes Hannigan has improved, but he’s not there yet.

        • Johno Muzza

          Is he a Warratah. ?

      • Kiwi rugby lover

        I watched last nights game again, and a couple of the others I’ve recorded, incl the Tahs Match and last years Dunedin game, and I’ve come to the conclusion that Beale is not a “playmaker” at all. In all those 4 games he never created a play – not once. He made a couple of great breaks and scored a few really good tries but they were all from broken play when he had space. I think Beale needs a playmaker aro7nd him but he is def8nitely not one himself

    • David Creagh

      Was disappointed to see Powell at the game last night. If you aren’t going to use him (or others for that matter) send them back to the NRC to get minutes in their legs.

      • Brumby Runner

        Actually, Joe did turn out on the bench for the Vikings on Sunday. The game took a turn (for the better for the Vikings) when he came on as a replacement.

    • Who?

      Shifting a natural 10 like Toomua – who played 10 for Gloucester, the Wallabies, the Brumbies, and all through High School is a lot less of a risk than shifting in someone from 12 who played a few games at 10 in 2012 and 2008. Beale isn’t a 10, not with the current game plan. One of the dropped passes last night was 10m behind the gain line. 10m. That’s not about being flat, that’s about feeling pressure and lacking confidence.
      If Cheika had thought through his processes at all, he’d have lined up Toomua at 10 and Beale at 12, given changing one player in one position has far less impact on a backline than removing one player, moving another player and then adding the third player.
      I agree the back row looked good. At least, it did while Samu was uninjured. We finished the game without an 8, I didn’t think Hanigan was horrible but our balance was once again off kilter with a 5.5, a 6 and a 7 on the field.

      • GO THE Q REDS

        That’s the other thing that gets me dirty. ….. a player holding a bench spot. … .that if used means a pile of positional changes. That’s a STUPID idea at best. .. …injurirs aside that should NEVER happen.

      • I’m not a Cheika fan, as you doubtless remember. But Cheika and thinking through his processes… not sure he really does that. I agree that with Hanigan on the field, although he didn’t look as horrible as last year, the balance was off again. It needs a proper 8.

        Cheika’s substitution game is generally pretty poor IMO. The timing of it, the choice of who and how and the reshuffles and so on. Yesterday was just another example of it.

        • Johno Muzza

          Cheika got to go, where are you Raylene.
          We wont beat South Africa over there.
          We will be ranked eight in the world soon, wE will get smashed in the World Cup, get another Coach now, how about Jake White RAYLENE.

  • Andy

    Not much to say. Just shocking rugby again from us. Completely disjointed at every facet. The last pass said it all. Folau wanted to be the hero and fucked it for the team remenicent of the Ireland game a few years ago. Would you ever see that in any of the other good teams. Na… the best teams play like a team, ironically…

    All in all, this group don’t have it upstairs to play pressure footy, can’t seem to turn up with the intensity required and more importantly don’t play like a unit.

    • Parker

      That Folau decision didn’t surprise me at all. He’s always been a hog in situations like that.

      • Human

        The most selfish footballer in the country.

        • GO THE Q REDS

          What a load of garbage. …..hrs the most damaging linebreaing tryscorer the wallabies have seen breaking a zillion records. .. .. Those players DONT PASS. Just because that okay didn’t work out doesn’t mean Foley wouldn’t have just knocked on anyways considering his form again this year. No wonder Folou went himself. He went himself earlier and beat the whole argue team for an amazing g try. I wonder how many times people like you said PASS it. …PASS IT. … . .Ohhhh.. ..TRY! !

        • Greg

          I just watched the replay again. Although Folau almost always makes some more metres in contact his best bet was to pass. He actually did all the hard work.

          The blue players knew hew would hold and committed about 4 players to tackle him. A pass just before contact would have scored. Going through 4 players when he was very upright was always going to be very challenging.

          Yes… Foley would have had to have caught the ball.

        • Human

          That does not mean that he is not a selfish footballer….it is not the first time.

  • sambo6

    I have only 3 words…..

    Bring Back Knuckles

  • Ad Tastic

    Our players are mostly garbage but Cheike is clearly not up to it and is the root cause of this. He’s got 1 good win over England in the last world cup and that’s it. And to think what those players did to Link to get to this point. The Wallabies are a national disgrace.

    • onlinesideline

      mate hes replaced ⅔ of those players and “garbage” is potty mouth. They are good blokes and try their guts out, they deserve some online respect.

      • Ad Tastic

        Who are you? Cheike’s Mum. GTFO of my face. We just lost to the Argies at home. It’s clearly the worst Wallaby team in 40 years.

        • onlinesideline

          are you that loser who got frog marched out of the stadium ?

        • Ad Tastic

          LOL. I wish I was. That was the only guy in gold who showed any fight during this whole sorry mess. Get him in at 10.

        • joy

          Wrong. It is clearly the best Puma side ever.

        • David Creagh

          I agree, whilst I share the frustrations of the Wallaby performance maybe we should acknowledge to performance of the Pumas. They played with a lot of skill and passion and wanted the game more than we did.

        • first time long time

          Cmon Tad Spastic, what’s with all the hostility man. This has been coming for a long time.
          Leave Cheika’s Mum out of this, although she’d probably be a better coach

        • Who?

          Deans’ Wallabies lost to Samoa at home… The Pumas are a better team than Samoa.

    • joy

      Comments like yours are the real garbage around here.

  • Human

    Beale needs more time in the NRC or having a rest somewhere. He is not a 10 or a 12.

    • GO THE Q REDS

      Agreed he’s not a 10 but we need some spark in our backline if Foley keeps getting the nod. Seemed to me Beale always played best off the bench at international level.

  • Geoffro

    Funny night of rugby though,was almost as if powers that be said let’s have the Boks and Pumas squeeze a couple of upsets and keep some interest in this RC thing.At least we can rely on Winkz to maintain a bit of form.

    • Keith Butler

      Conspiracy theory. Betting syndicates on the sub continent. Nah. Beaten by a better side.

      • Geoffro

        Sure,realise that though they were not much better.My thoughts just turned to conspiracy theories and horse racing because I really have no more to add on why the Wallabies played so badly.I know that these players can perform far better than they did.The much maligned Springboks managed to turn a corner of sorts so that’s my best hope,that we can too.

      • Brisneyland Local

        KB, when it comes to a choice of conspiracy and Incompetence. I nominate the problem to be incompetence everytime. Conspiracy dictates the capability to throw it.

  • voodoo economics

    The game for mine was a indication of the stagnant nature of the
    wallabies development over the last few years. Pumas have been an
    improving team while the wallabies have gone backwards. Its a true
    indictment of mismanagement and poor decision making of the ARU since
    2014.Without some hard truths being accepted and acted upon we are
    destined to fall further. I just don’t think the ARU machine has it in
    them to make the tough decisions needed to improve short term.

  • laurence king

    ggggggggggrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh and again gggggggggggggggggggrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

  • Gipetto

    Bigger crowds attend AFL training sessions. Bring back Quade with his 272000 Facebook followers. Sell Folau to a league team somewhere and save $2mil each year.

  • Gipetto

    The talent Coach Clown needs is in the Queensland Country NRC team… Paia’aua, Timu Petaia.

  • Human

    How many times did blokes run into each other or throw a short hospital pass or get in the way of a move/pass? How many times did Beale run 30 metres across field before running into someone? Have these blokes ever trained together?
    Positives – Ned is better than last year; Tui was good; Samu has to start every Test; scrum was good; Toomua must start every Test…..even Chek must have liked the 50 metre penalty touchfinder in the first half. Argies can improve more – passion, commitment, skill and SPEED were great.
    Negatives – too many to list but taking Toomua off with the game in the balance has to be #1.

    • Brumby Runner

      Bit of luck with that kick for touch, but was one of the few highlights in the whole game for the Wallabies. On the topic of kicking, Toomua also out-distanced Beale with the kicks in general play. Toomua and Hodge should be taking all of the tactical and line kicking.

      • Brisneyland Local

        Ahmen to that!

  • Brisneyland Local

    Well Good Morning GAGR’s. I decided not to post last night, as it would have been the most expletive ridden verbal assault that this beloved website has ever seen. So I have left it til this morning and fear it may not be much calmer than last night. On a night the rugby universe inverted, and we saw the Saffas stick it to the AB’s, we were then forced to watched what can only be described as the worst Wallabies performance in the last decade. Holy fuck balls batman! That was just horrendous. BL’s broadside in no particular order:
    – Firstly congrats to the Argies. They wanted that game. They could taste it, and they grafted hard for it. Well Done. Cudos to Ledesma.
    – Congrats to Hoss on what has to be the post of the year! I now cant get the “Sounds of Silence” out of my head.
    – That performance was just completely shite. There is no other words to describe the level of fuckness that we saw. Calling the Wallabies Fucked is an insult to all the other Fucked Teams out there.
    – A majority of these problems stem back to coaching issues. Cheika, Grey and Larkham all have to be replaced. The damage that will be done will be unrecoverable. To do nothing will make permanent this insanity.
    – The skills demonstrated last night were just shit. It is not that the players don’t have them. (well actually some of the players will never have them). Some of our players do, it is the consistency in execution that is lacking. That again is a coaching issue.
    – Our defence was utterly appalling. They worst I have seen to date. I have no idea how many missed tackles but I lost count after thirty. Grey must do the honourable thing and fucking resign. Hodor from GOT would be a better defence coach than Grey! HODOR!
    – Our attack is insipid. Larkham has to go, and he better not be Cheika’s replacement. He might have been a great player but it is obvious he cant transpire that to coaching. This incessant crabbing sideways is just bullshit.
    – Beale has to go back to NRC for a few weeks to get his head space and positional play back to speed. He must do that, because he isn’t a 10’s asshole. Go back to 12, get some form then if warranted come back. But at the moment he is a protected species.
    – The fact that Toomua got hooked, for what was Beale’s shit play, shows that Cheika really only has one plan. Foley 10 Beale 12, and Folau 15. He will use last nights fuck fight as an excuse to revert to it. Tooma benched for that! Un-fucking believable.
    – Foley is not the solution at 10, and whilst people are crowing on that he is the best we have at the moment, that isn’t true. The moment Toomua was benched, our attack faltered. Toomua would be a better choice, but actually play him at ten. Jesus I would even roll the dice on QC or Deegan from WF. Foley is shit. Beale is shitter. Yet we keep playing them on the excuse that there is no one better. We are here because of Cheika and them! Fuck me!
    – Phipps can not be in the squad! He is done and dusted. The Blunderbuss passing and Bovine Sprinkling is not the solution.
    – TPN has been a great servant to the game, but he is no longer up to speed as a starting 2. Time to bring in the young blood and get them going.
    – Whilst speaking of young blood. Tongan Thor has to start.
    – Felt sorry for Samu, he was having a reasonably good game until he was hurt.
    – Pocock had an unusually quiet game.
    Overall GAGR’s if you havnt picked up on what I am putting down, that was utter utter crap. It is time to give some one else a go as there is no way on Gods green earth that we are going to get better with that ass clown and his three ring circus in charge. I am fucking furious.

    • Human

      I share your fury BL, which is a positive as for quite some time I had ceased giving a toss about the Wallabies or rugby in general given the dross that has been served up over recent years…the good burghers of GAGR have reignited some passion. (PS. Hoss should be knighted for services to rugby fans everywhere). On the bright side, it is always darkest before the dawn.

      • Brisneyland Local

        Yes true but dawn can be a long way off!
        Agree on Sir Hoss!

        • onlinesideline

          Mate we are at 4.55 am already. Its not far off.

        • Human

          Without hope, there is nothing

        • onlinesideline

          but you have to couple it with action

        • Brisneyland Local

          Yes but those ten minutes to sunrise can be a lifetime. especially when you are being shot at!

        • onlinesideline

          So what do troops in the trench being shot at have at their disposal ? 2 choices – Panic, curl up in a ball and start praying or say, I’m gonna fight this with everything I have and turn this around. Thats where we’re at. It either comes from the boys, Cheika or Castle or none.

        • Brisneyland Local

          The two times I have been in that situation, we kept a cool head, converserved our ammo as best we could, and prayed like a bastard for air support. The difference being we had total confidence in our weapons, our tactics, our training and in our team mates. The Wallabies dont have this! There in lies the difference.

        • onlinesideline

          You know something BL, I see your point but I beg to differ. The thing I love about team sport generally not just rugga, is that time and time again over the decades we have seen evidence of teams that lack all the things you refer to above, but they just wanted it more an they find a way to win. If the boys really really wanted this, they definitely have the skills. I actually think Cheika is pretty dead on when he said they were out enthused. Rugby is not THAT technical mate. its 80-90 % desire. There are plenty of fine athletes with skills in the Wallabies but they are not teaming up, getting real close and just finding a fucking way to win.

        • Brisneyland Local

          Motivation is certainly a big part of it. In combat, when under pressure on a two way firing range, you have to know that your “pair” is going to be exactly where he has to be at the exact point in time. Perfect speed is being there. Failure is a smkoing third eye. Drilling contact moves, over and over again. slow is smooth, smooth is fast! The motivation part is not dieing and not letting your mates down. Digging really deep when things are not going well. These are the things at the moment we , the Wallas, lack! We cant be that well drilled as players were all over the shop, out of position both in defence particularly, but also in attack. We were not well prepared.

        • laurence king

          I agree with your comment about a lack of enthusiasm and that they are not playing like a team. This side seems to have an inertia about it that the players just don’t seem to be able to shake. I can’t believe that they aren’t working hard enough in training, in fact that denies the evidence because the situation is getting worse.IMO the lack of enthusiam indicates a degree of disharmony in the side, for a few reasons;
          Cheika continually goes back to certain selections whether they work or not.
          I think he has allowed himself to get too close to certain core players and relying on them to respond with better performances.
          These players don’t have the game management or the confidence of the rest of the team including some of the other experienced players.
          The young players are just trying to keep their heads down and stay out of trouble
          Two examples that illustrate my feelings on the matter occurred last night, Toomua was clearly annoyed at being pulled when Kurtley was the one having such a bad game and the other was Genia’s comment that people weren’t working hard enough. He could not look at the camera, he was as angry as I’ve ever seen a player after a game. He was angry and had a look of despair about him.
          I’m a long time Waratah supporter but I believe that Cheika puts undue trust in Beale, Foley, Folau to carry out his ‘running rugby plan. And I think that other players are being sacrificed on the altar of this belief.

        • onlinesideline

          100% mate – agree with every word. Its the big elephant in the room which we have spoken about but have learnt to live with or the team has learnt to live with. Its cancerous though and as you suggest is perhaps starting to eat away at certain players. I really think moving forward, fans, media, powers that be, have to consider alternatives because just as I predicted last nights result, I predict we will lose in SA, Mendoza and Japan and will lose one if not both the Wales and England match. That will possibly be 10 of 12 matches in 2018 we lose. He has to go you would think wouldnt you, if not before sprin tour. We are getting to the point of anaylsis paralysis and no-one belives for a second he will make real change, so on that basis sadly the question has to be entertained. Who will replace him ?

        • laurence king

          Not Larkham, I don’t know if he could change things around or not but at the moment he’s too close to the problems. If any of this coaching group disagree with Cheika they certainly haven’t got it in them to stand up and argue the toss with him. Good leadership is appointing people who will tell you when the arse is out of your pants.
          A couple of independent selectors would help.As far as the coaches in Australia are concerned, I think the Waratah coaches are the most ready.
          Whoever it is, they need to be more pragmatic grounded in what they want to achieve because Cheika’s goals seem to be more of an adherence to some personal vision

        • Brumby Runner

          Another name worth considering is Lawrie Fisher. Probably the most experienced coach currently in Aus with years at head coach level here and overseas. A great forwards/scrum coach to boot. Don’t know if he’d be interested, but a short term gig to get through the RWC could be a solution.

        • laurence king

          He would be definitely be a good option, he would set realistic goals that players could achieve. They would learn under him and he wouldn’t play favourites.

        • Alister Smith

          I don’t mean this as a defence of Cheika his methods, his strategy or his selections. I would still count myself as a supporter but, in the end, the results count.

          But I am not sure if coaching alone explains the exceptionally high error rate with the ball and the equally high number of missed tackles. I am no fan of Nathan Grey as a defence coach but it didn’t look like the players were necessarily out of position, they just didn’t make their tackles. Same with catching. The coaching staff member we are missing at the moment is the one that handed us the hiding (and yes I think in this case while only 4 points it was a hiding).

          Actually, in terms of the selections (including the one forced by injury of Hooper) the team was pretty much the one many of us were calling for (except for QC for some and positional stuff with Beale and Toomua). I didn’t see anything last night to suggest Beale is the answer at ten. Skills wise yeah sure but temperament … it doesn’t seem like it on this display. Folau was our best for 79.58 minutes but that last 2 seconds was costly but to be totally honest, I didnt want us to score that try. The Argentinians got some bad calls through the game and had some 50/50’s go the other way and were also a little unlikely. I think the score could have been more like 35 – 19. We didn’t deserve to win and if it is the catalyst to drive some hard choices then

          The stuff with Tui at the end of the game shows what happens when we take it to far as fan(atic)s. They may have played badly (though I wasn’t sure Tui was one of the worst) but if that had happened after a suburban club or country club game that bloke would have ended up with a well deserved (yes I know its not the right thing to do) punch in the head.

          I saw Genia interviewed after the game. His disappointment was clear and I wonder if some of that was disappointment in his own game which seemed a little ill directed. I hope that he and QC can reunite at the Rebels – I think the sum of those two is better than the individual parts – I think Will is possibly one of the few coaches or fellow players that QC can trust and take advice from and that Genia is a good filter for deciding when QC would be better not to get the ball – I think that is what has been missing since they split.

        • onlinesideline

          nice rant mate – agree

        • hippyb9

          The sad reality is, that with a couple of exceptions, when compared with the top 8 nations, the Wallabies currently have a lot of journeymen and very few true world class players. As an example, and not singling him out for criticism, Reece Hodge is a solid player but does not have the dynamism you would expect from an international outside back. There are few other players who are not in the squad who would make much, if any, difference.

        • Alister Smith

          Yes that’s pretty true. Again not picking on Hodge, for one he is still pretty young and in other nations wouldn’t have been called into the squad at such a young age. He would have developed in provincial rugby and either made it later as a well rounded player or been a solid provincial performer (having said that he has saved us in a couple of tests with his long range kicking). He is probably our third choice 13 as it is and he doesn’t appear to have the speed that his opposite numbers have.

          When we were at our best we would have had up to 5 players in a best in the world side, I don’t think we would have any in the run on maybe Pocock on the bench.

        • Brumby Runner

          When we get one of our real No 13s back, preferably TK, Hodge should move to full back. He could give a good impression of Latham at the back with his huge boot, his better defense and his more than ok running when he gets up to speed. Would help solve the current issue of DHP’s sub-standard defense.

        • David Creagh

          Respect to you and your brothers in arms BLL. As an ex-choco I never ended up on the two way range but have some appreciation for what you are talking about.

        • Brisneyland Local

          Thanks mate. Not somewhere I wanted to end up! Taught me more about my self and my inner working than I care to remember. I discovered that adrenaline is actually brown, and runs downs your pants leg!

        • Greg

          How do we call in air support @BL?

        • Brisneyland Local

          Rely on the Americans. we always did! ha ha
          Dont know how to apply that into the rugby world.

        • first time long time

          Unfortunately I think the clock has stopped!!!!!!!!!

      • Parker

        Except we are living in the exact opposite of the land of the midnight sun. Land of the midday darkness or eternal eclipse.

    • David Creagh

      Did you see Toomua look up at the coaches box in disbelief and disgust when he got pulled. I think that says it all.

      • Brisneyland Local

        Yep I saw that. Was watching with the usual gang, A fijian, A frenchman, an Italian, and a Kiwi, as well as a few aussies. Sounds like the start of joke hey. But anyway, all of us saw that and thought wow he is pissed.

      • Johno Muzza

        Unbelievable.

    • Kiwi rugby lover

      Makes it hard to get enthusiastic about the next game doesn’t it? It’s the contrast that gets me. A great first try with some great play and the revert to shit.
      The look on Toomua’s face when he was pulled! It was like WTF? I think everyone else wa5ching was thinking the same thing

      • Brisneyland Local

        Yep. That single coaching decision defines the Cheika era!

      • mikado

        Yup that first try was a thing of beauty, and you wonder why, if they could do that once, they didn’t do it again. Perhaps a confidence issue?

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Not sure it’s confidence or people trying to be too clever, or the Argies saw their mistakes and rectified them. Probably a combo of all three

        • I think that first try, while I agree it was a thing of beauty, was a thing of luck too. Lots of moving parts that all had to click into place just right. All it takes to stop it is one better tackle, one defender running a better line, one offload not being made… no try.

          We’re kind of used to seeing the ABs pull those off, but for everyone else they’re rare. I suspect the Pumas looked quickly at what happened and identified a weakness, hit a player faster or ball-and-all, or pushed a player into touch quicker and that’s all it takes.

          I suspect Creevy, who seems to be a captain that inspires his side with his passion, shouted at them that they have to work harder for each other in defence. They did that, communicated better, hit harder and the momentum started to swing their way. Really, for the next 20+ minutes they hardly put a foot wrong and although the match wasn’t out of sight, the Wobs were not playing with fluency or self-belief.

    • Huw Tindall

      Poey did too much tackling without his mate Hooper leading the 10/12 channel. Poey needs to be second man in.

      • Brisneyland Local

        Huw, yep you are right. Mind you he seemed to be the only one doing it. everyone else was slipping off them. 24 missed tackles at half time. Fark that is appalling.

  • Kiwi rugby lover

    Nice write up Reg and not a lot of positives.

    I think Folau proved he’s a better wing but and DHP a better 15. I still think Coleman and Arnold are the best locks. Back row was a better balance and despite not liking Hooper, he could have made a difference coming on with 20 to go. I though Pocock was a bit ineffective towards the end and maybe just a bit tired.

    BUT! A dumb game plan with far too much emphasis on structure and some dumb mistakes

    • Adrian

      100% kiwi

    • David Creagh

      Nailed it.

    • Greg

      I think it was mainly the dumb mistakes and missed tackles tbh.

      If you keep dropping the pill and can’t shut down counter attack then you will lose.

      Subbing one of your best players is brave as well. Did you see how surprised Toomua looked as he checked with the official at the touch line?

      • Kiwi rugby lover

        Yeah he didn’t look as though he was expecting it did he

      • Kiwi rugby lover

        Almost as surprised as everyone else mate

  • Adrian

    Please….Grey, Larkham resignation required. Cheika, ….3 more games, not necessarily to win, but to show something.

    Players?….rest them all…or nearly all

    Next 2 games: Banks, English, Rona, Duncan P, Naivalu, Toomua, Gordon, Timu, Hooper, Holloway, Phillip, Simmons (eek), Tuopo, Latu, Kepu. Bench, BPA, Alaalatoa, Robertson, Arnold, Hannigan, Powell (give him 20 minutes +), Cooper, Maddocks

    Make the incumbent players watch.

    After this, decide about Bled 3.
    After Bled 3 decide about Cheika and EOYT

    • Brisneyland Local

      Good idea Adrian.
      I even think With hold 50% of pay. If they lose they dont get it and that moeny goes to grass roots rugby, or funding a new coach!

      • David Creagh

        I agree, we need to move these guys to an incentive based system. $15k for a win, $5K for a draw and $2.5K for a loss.

        • Brisneyland Local

          Works for me.

        • first time long time

          Given that most of them are barely putting in 40 min work for any given loss, 2.5 gorillas is a decent hourly rate

    • David Creagh

      Ok, not a bad thought but you propose dropping for Pocock for Hannigan. Not sure what Poey did wrong last night.

      • Adrian

        I just mean drop the whole run-on side.
        Nothing especially against Pocock

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          I like it mate. At the very least it would show some innovative thought

    • laurence king

      Cheika is the orchestrator of this mess, he should be the first to go

  • Nicholas Wasiliev

    Just bad. So bad. Both on the field by the players and off it by the fans.

    We didn’t need an advertisement for the game like this display. And that is full credit to the Argies. Came here to win and absolutely earned it.

    Last nights performance made me sick about loving this game. The players. The fans. It’s an ugly, disgusting affair. And god, I have to cover it more in the News next week as we deal with it’s fallout!

    This is why I’d much prefer watching NRC right now. At least there’s the right kind of passion there, in spite of the fact my NSW teams keep losing…

    • Kiwi rugby lover

      Mate, I’d do nothing but report on the NRC. You could always play the “got nothing nice to say, so say nothing” card

    • Brisneyland Local

      The fan issue was bad. No doubt. But one cockhead of ocean going variety will steal the headlines about what should be the worst performance in a decade.

  • David Creagh

    I agree, I think he should be the 12 for the World Cup but he is looking jaded and making mistakes that he should not make. Maybe he should do what Cheika suggested that QC did and “Go back to club rugby to rediscover the joy of the game”. Toomoua 10 for me, bringing on Foley just made things worse for mine.

    • Parker

      Spot on David. Thanks for saving me the typing.

  • Mike Thompson

    The Wallabies have recently lost at home to England, Ireland, Scotland and the Argies. At home. Steady losses.

    So, that’s what we are these days – maybe 6th in the world. We can’t beat the teams above us, at home. The rankings don’t lie.

    And, yes, there’s multiple factors in this … recruitment, skills, cattle, pathways, etc. But poor quality coaching/selection is the thing that really, really drives me crazy. We don’t have good enough cattle/skills to take on the All Blacks, sure, but we absolutely should be doing better against the 5 teams below them. We DO have the cattle to be doing well enough against them. We had the cattle to win by 10 last night, perhaps more.

    Taking Toomua off was just so, so stupid. Beale had had a poor game. Beale should have been the guy to come off. So ham-fisted.

    Mind you this is what we got. Suck it up. Cheika is not going anywhere, because they simply cannot afford to pay his contract out. Ewen McKensie is the guy they should turn to but they won’t, and he probably won’t either (although new CEO, Chair, board, makes it vaguely possible for him to think about a return).

    It’s all very depressing. It genuinely makes me want to not watch. And I hate saying that.

    • Who?

      We’re now officially 7th in the world, Mike… :-(

    • Who?

      We’re now officially 7th in the world, Mike… :-(

    • Brumby Runner

      For an interim head coach, why not Laurie Fisher. Has the experience and some runs on the board. Cheika can be promoted to a meaningless role of Director of Coaching and assist Kafer in his unenviable task of trying to do something about coaching on a national basis.

    • Geoff Buckland

      Taking Toomua off for Foley was logical if you look at the bigger picture of one steady and one creative player , however what Cheika should have done was to swap beale and toomua around as beale feeds off half gaps/space given to him by a 5/8.

  • Adrian

    God it’s hard to keep interested in this shit.

    Souths, Roosters, Sharks and Storm are becoming more and more interesting by the day.

    And what about the crowd?

    The Gold Coast is surely for 10 pin bowling and reality tv, but at least the locals understand that turning up for shit wasn’t their cup of tea.

    A couple of weeks ago, double this crowd turned up to see a player from an out of town team play his last game…. because he can actually play.

    Thurston for Wallabies I say….only joking,…he wouldn’t understand the lines to run…bull shit he wouldn’t

    • Brisneyland Local

      I would have loved to have seen JT play union. Amazing that you almost get 3/4 of those crowds to see QC play NRC and club. That should be the concerning point.

      • Custard Taht

        If someone in RA had half a brain, they would be insisting that 9. Genia 10. Cooper 12. Toomua is a must. We still might not beat the All Blacks but we would at least be giving it a red hot go, instead of meekly raising the white flag. We would almost certainly be able to beat or be in with a damn good chance of beating the other 5 teams above us on the rankings.

        Not sure what to do about the forwards. The tall timber seem to be more like weeping willows, when we need whomping willows. Slipper and Thor probably need to start, and maybe someone needs to email Dutton and fast track the smiths’ citizenship.

        • Brisneyland Local

          Dutto is a Reds member. Maybe they can slip him a free au pair! ;-)

    • Huw Tindall

      Where is the optimistism!!?!? Are we doomed?!?

      • Brisneyland Local

        We know we are in trouble when Adrian has lost hope!

    • Custard Taht

      I switched to the NFL as my primary sport, the dross the Wallabies have been serving up post world cup is unwatchable.

    • Kiwi rugby lover

      Hey Adrian, yeah it’s a struggle. I just watched the post match press conference and both Cheika and Pocock looked shell shocked. Rambling answers and really seemed at a loss. Cheika put the blame on the players saying they lacked enthusiasm at key times. Going to be interesting to see who cops it with the selection of the next team. Pocock was very disappointing in the conference. Seemed lost and maybe that was just the sheer disappointment of the loss.

      • Adrian

        Yes, KRL, I don’t know where to turn or what to do!

        Pocock is probably disappointed that he couldn’t inspire the guys. His play was ok, but captaincy strange mix of talking a lot to the ref, but not getting the guys to gel.

        I really think Cheika is hamstrung by his assistants….but somehow unable to extricate himself.

        I think he is the right guy for the cattle we have, but not coaching to his ability.

        Some say we should get rid of the ball in hand Tah style running Rugby, but I say, where the fuck is it?

        We are playing a weird mix (compromise) between Tah style and Larkham style, where everyone loses.

        Certainly no running onto the ball alarm Tahs, no heavy runners in the forwards (also running onto ball). Nothing like this year’s Tahs, and nothing like 2014 Tahs.

        It should be relatively easy to use Tah backline moves, behind a genuine pack. Can happen with or without Foley, and with Folau playing wherever. What about kicks to Folau? Naiyaravoro would help, but others can be given the role.

        We have a choice of 3 SR packs, each with 5/8 of a Wallaby scrum. Two are big (Reds and Brums) and one is mobile (Tahs). Surely there are combinations there?

        I think a problem is that the players who are (sort-of) playing the best aren’t really world beaters. The players with the most talent aren’t being given tactics and gameplans which actually work.

        There should have been deep runners in most circumstances, and there were none. The closest was Kepu when he came on. Not coached for everyone else obviously.

        I’m not going to blame any individual for now, but really, everyone who did good things (and that is actually most if not all players, including Pocock, Toomoua, Genia, DHP, and the rightfully criticised guys like Folau and Beale ) did dumb things. Everyone!

        Will it be more of the same, or a rest all of these guys, and give the B team a run for next 2 weeks?

        • first time long time

          Hey Adrian re Cheika being right man for this team, unfortunately all evidence points to contrary.
          Any of the current super rugby coaches could achieve these outcomes with that team.

        • Adrian

          Wouldn’t be worse

  • RobC

    Thanks Reg. I tipped a WB loss for this game. Despite a winning result last week, I didnt see a winning approach

    Now its away games next vs a resurgent SB and enthusiastic and consistent Arg

    Our backrow is off. 9/10 is inconsistent and ineffective. But I dont blame the players. Its on coaching: selection, strategy and prep

  • Optimist

    Cheika post match with his coaching staff:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQiZgPxLJ7U

    • Kiwi rugby lover

      That’s gold. Love that bit about “The Hungarians have a better defence”

      • Optimist

        I wish I could take credit for it! I also liked the one about our attack being as animated as your (Larkham’s) namesake, I took that to be Bernie as in “Weekend at Bernie’s”. Great movie.

    • Who?

      Eastern front to face the Darkness! Opposition medics competing for the ball! Some fantastic oblique references in there. :-)

      • Optimist

        or Eden Park-grad ;)

  • jamie

    Genia-Cooper-Toomua is the best inside back combination we’ve had in 7 or 8 years.. 2013 was a fantastic year post-Deans.

    Cheik dragging the best wallaby on field to have his love child Foley come on (although he didn’t totally embarass himself, Toomua was having a blinder) is just about the nail in his coffin for me. The Bias is terrible. Toomua is one of the most reliable backs out there and we dragged him when we needed some guidance and clearmindedness?

    • GO THE Q REDS

      Disgraceful coaching for me. … .

      • laurence king

        I think there is trouble in the camp. I don’t think that Genia or Toomua are believers in Beale and Foley’s ability to control the game. I think the young guys are keeping their heads down and trying to stay out of it, And Hooper is a young man trying to keep a deeply divided team together.
        And it’s interesting to note that Beale and Foley are playing worse under Larkham’s tutelage than at the Tahs.
        Cheika has lost the locker room and he may not even realise it yet

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Interesting thoughts and their may be a bit of truth there as Genia seemed pissed off at the end.

        • Brumby Runner

          Sad to say but Hooper has a history of protecting Beale. I don’t think he would necessarily be trying to keep the side together as much as keeping Beale in the side.

  • David G

    Cheik can’t see the wood for the trees.

    He drag’s one of the only players who is playing solid, consistent and intelligent rugby on the field. A player who was putting points on the board, injecting some good passing and really solid defensive structure into the back-line, kicking quite far to make ground and putting his team in a position to set up tries (his 50m penalty kick to touch), and from what i can see he seems to communicate quite well and has a really good attitude – and replaces him the ol’ faithful. It is probably coincidental the team decided to implode from that point on, but i just think that moment was incredibly symbolic of the past few years of Australian rugby.

    Still can’t believe Grey is there, how can the Waratahs have their worst ever defensive season and then he be put in charge. Have they not seen Moneyball? Am i missing something?

    • Custard Taht

      My missus said that once, then the next evening when I got home there was veet, shaving cream and a bic disposable razor on the bath tub……..I guess the moral of the story is that sometimes you need someone to intervene.

  • Ads

    Time for heresy.

    Pocock was average, and not a significant improvement over Hooper as a Captain if at all.

    Samu is a poor mans Hooper. Tui is still lumbering.

    No forward really had any intensity or drive.

    Larkham and Grey need to go.

    No one really looks like they give a shit.

    The nob in the crowd should get a life ban.

  • sambo6

    You know in the movie Good Will Hunting, how Ben affleck says to Matt Damon, something like ‘You know my best momen of the day is right before I knock on your door to pick you up for work, becuase one day I hope I knock and you’re just gone. No note, no nothing…just gone’

    Well, my best moment of the day is those few minutes between waking up and logging on to GAGR, hoping to log on, and find that overnight cheika is just gone….

  • Madflyhalf

    I’m an old italian Aussie fan.
    And I’m devasted, because since 2015 this team has started drowning and sinking lower and lower.

    There are many players who simply don’t deliver, and at the moment they are not up to this level.

    If I look only at this match, I can see
    – 73% tackle rate, which is TERRIBLY LOW for a Tier 1 side, it’s something that doesn’t have neither Italy!
    – Unforced errors: from 10 to 15 there are 8 turnover conceded, vs 4 Argentinians
    – if we add to that statistic the SH, it’s 9-6!
    – bad decision making every time in front of the defence: Australia tried to run the ball close to the line, except to throw the ball to the closest team mate, resulting in a ball spilled/dropped, forward tackle, under pressure ruck (if lucky, sometimes is a chocke tackle)

    All players are attacking with no brain, and it’s clear this is something coming from upstairs, it’s an attacking system that simply doesn’t work.

    And there is no plan.

    The only 2 movement played by the Aussie against Argentina, led to Genia’s and Folau’s try.
    Why? Because were slightly structured, in a manner that allowed player to decide what to do with ball in hand.

    Running at the defenders with no aim unless pass the ball in the last 50cm, is not attacking. Is suicide.

    They’re trying to play “what’s in front of you”, sometimes with eyes closed, but always with no brain. If there’s a solution to the problems on field, they won’t even try to find it!

    There are only few hopes: youngsters in the scrum, and Dane Haylett-Petty, the only one who shone in the backline.
    The more he stays on the field, the less we can see Folau in 15 jersey, which is a disgrace.
    No tackling, no foot game, no understanding of the rules, nothing. He must stay on the wing, with no one outside him, because he won’t pass to him!

    • Fatflanker

      Some good points there, Madman – stay around!

  • Nutta

    A shameful bit of garbage. I initially went to call it amateur but then I recalled – by definition – amateurs do it for free. These guys are far from free.

    Cheks can’t be sacked. Recalling the debacle of how Link got shafted and Cheks accension, he would be water tight and unsinkable. Besides, who else is taking his spot?

    Beale is likewise untouchable. From being responsible for his own 8ft rap sheet yet STILL being there despite doing fkn cartwheels sideways and having soooo much investment capital tipped into him he will wear gold until the 2nd coming of Christ.

    This was worse than Samoa 2011.

    I don’t know what else to say.

    • Brumby Runner

      Nutta, maybe Cheika can’t be sacked but he sure as hell can be promoted to some worthless and nominal role as Director of Coaching. For Head Coach on an interim basis, why not Laurie Fisher?

      • Nutta

        Laurie isn’t a bad idea. But again, given the pool of likely applicants and the timing are we getting the best for Aust rugby or are we moving in response to a crisis? Either way we aren’t really coming at it with clear eyes in the best interests of Aus Rugby – we are reacting to the current – and thus running the danger of eat, sleep, rave, repeat.

        I’m so tired.

  • RobC

    Apparently he paid for himself, even at club games

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