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The Rebels Burn the Reds

The Rebels Burn the Reds

Number two on the conference table vs number four. One team coming off a surprise win, two surprise wins actually, and the other coming off the plane from South Africa and two losses. This is the first time Volde-Q (credit sambo6) returns to Hog-corp to take on Harry Hegarty and his band of Gryffin-reds, since being banished to the Badlands in 2018. (Yeah, yeah I have mixed my movie references, but I ran out of HP knowledge.) The presence of the club socks just added to the atmosphere. Or confusion in some cases.

There were late changes to the Reds with Chris Feauai-Sautia tweaking a hammy (are we surprised) at training on Thursday, resulting in a back-line shuffle. Duncan Paia’aua came off the bench into 12, Samu Kerevi moved out to 13, and Jack Hardy came on to the bench.

The Match

First scoring opportunity fell to Cooper who slotted a penalty after the Reds were caught offside 2 minutes in. Rebels returned the favour by not releasing the ball and Hegarty got the scores back level within 5 mins. If this was to keep-up we were going to be in for a large scoring night. If. A big IF.

That was about where the handling descended into atrociousness due to the large quantities of rain earlier in the day, and the humidity, and the dew. Let’s give them those excuses, because terrible skills would be just too depressing. To summarise – the first half was scrappy. VERY scrappy. Both sides showed glimpses of what they should be able to do…… but both sides destroyed their opportunities with some rather silly errors.

The only try of the first half came in the 39th minute. With the referee playing an advantage for the Reds being off side, Volda-Q took a punt and kicked across to the wind where a flying Jack Maddocks soared over Hamish Stewart and crashed to the ground to score. The conversion was unsuccessful on the buzzer and the teams entered the sheds with the Reds trailing 6 – 11.

The second half started as badly for the Reds as the first finished. A series of penalties gave the Rebels a line out 5 metres out. They setup the driving maul and drove Anaru Rangi over and to the ground. And soon after Paia’aua dropped the ball and gifted Maddocks his second for the night after a kick ahead from Volda-Q to make it 25-6.

At this point I started to wonder if it wasn’t the Reds who had spent a fair bit of the week traveling around the world. Not to take anything away from the Rebels, but the Reds scrum wasn’t working, the lineout wasn’t functioning, they couldn’t catch, couldn’t pass and the kicks were ugly. The Reds gifted the Rebels most of their points through penalties. Valid or not they will still go down in the books as penalties. Actually, I am not sure who had the worse game, the Reds or the Officials.

Once Brandon Paenga-Amosa had a try disallowed in the 59th minute for, um, for, um, well it doesn’t really matter it was disallowed. Once this happened the Reds dropped their heads. I stopped making notes and the Reds started to pick fights.

Well that was ugly.

Match Turning Point

It was all one way traffic tonight. The Volda-Q and his team were here to prove a point. The turning point – when Brad Thorn decided last year that he did not require the services of a particular fly half.

GAGR MOTM

It might be easier to list off the Worst OTM. The first half was ugly and the second half was scrappy with the Rebels making the best of their opportunities. Isi Naisarani was probably the pick of a team who all played reasonably without a standout. Special mention to Jack Maddocks for his two tries, but his poor handling bombed a few other opportunities.

Wallaby Watch

Cheika could do worse than selecting many of the Rebels. Jones, Cottrell and Naisarani made a cohesive backrow, but we know that is not going to happen. Hodge, Maddocks, Genia, Philip, Coleman and Volda-Q would also not be out of place. As for the Reds….. nothing to see here. Move along.


Stats

Reds – 13
Tries: Tupou
Conv: Hegarty (1/1)
Penalties: Hegarty (2/2)

Rebels – 32
Tries: Maddocks (2); Rangi; Leota
Conv: He-who-must-not-be-named (3/4)
Penalties: He-who-must-not-be-named (2/2)

  • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

    The only thing that could have been more embarrassing than the fact that Thorn convinced Stiles not to sign Genia would be if he was actually paying his opposition’s players to beat his own team.

    Oh, wait..

    • GO THE Q REDS

      What about the fact it’s rumoured Thorn is chasing Billy Meakes! I truly don’t see him either as a standout worth “chasing” or a player that fits in that Reds squad! Meakes really has only shone with Quade around. He was good last year but on occasions this year he has definately stepped up his game. . . but only with Quade around. I hope Thorn doesn’t sign him telling him he thinks he’s the next Reds Messiah and ruins his career… . another Stewart of sorts. Time will tell.

      • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

        Yeah to be honest I think that Meakes is a good player that will always be a solid starting centre at 12 or 13, but I have concerns over his ball securuty and I don’t think he wouldn’t be in my World Cup squad at this stage.

        Toomua will almost certainly take the 12 jersey if bit. Bit if English is apparently leaving Melbourne I imagine Meakes may end up at 13 next season, unless Magnay does.

        • Keith Butler

          An interesting dilemma for Dave Wessels. Toomua at 12 and then fitting Hodge and DHP in as well if Maddocks and Koroibete are the first choice wings.

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          10. Quade
          11. Hodge
          12. Toomua
          13. English
          14. DHP
          15. Maddocks

          That looks good to me. Koroibete should sign overseas unless he works on his weaknesses hugely.

        • Keith Butler

          Yep looks good. Koroibete blows hot and cold, mostly cold. He needs to up his game in a number of areas.

        • GO THE Q REDS

          Thank god he’s only a winger. Imagine the impact if he was further in….. Ouch!

        • Gallagher

          Hodge is too slow for a winger, saw that against the Sharks, hes gotta go 13 with Toomua at 12 surely? Korobete, Maddocks and DHP back 3?

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          He’s played wel there in internationals, and is quicker than dhp or Folau. Not ideal, as he is a centre, but he knows the sport unlike Koroibete.

        • GO THE Q REDS

          Oh English may be leaving? Where too?
          That’s my view of Meakes too!

      • Brumby Runner

        Kerevi at 13 last night was simply out of the game for most of it. He is the best No 12 option going around, and it was an error to move him to 13. It does mean that the Reds will need to find a good No 12 for next year.

        I thought Stewart had one of his better games at 15. I don’t think Stewart will ever be a good No 10, but 12, 13 or 15 might be his go.

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          I hear Kerevi has already signed abroad for next season. Tragedy for Australian rugby.

        • The reason meakes is playing the way he is is because Cooper is straightening him up on flat ball. If thorn wants meakes, he should be looking for Cooper as well

        • Greg

          That would be hilarious… “Cooper returns to reds”

        • GO THE Q REDS

          That’ll never happen while Thorns around. ….and seeing as they’ve given Thorn a 55year deal they’ll be lucky if Quade comes back and Coaches for them. …

      • Gallagher

        Meakes would be smart to wait and see how Wessels goes with the apparently commenced discussions on keeping Genia and Cooper, and stay put if they both resign next year…

      • Who?

        Didn’t you hear, mate? The genius Hoilesy told us all that it’s Meakes who’s making Quade look good! :-D

  • Brisneyland Local

    SFR, a great write up and a wonderful game. I really really enjoyed. And not just because I am an ex-Reds member who is now a Rebs fan and member. My points in no particular order:
    – Thank you to Brad Thorn for absorbing 50% of QC’s wage, and then allowing him to come back to Suncorp and shove the stupid arse decision you made right back up your arse.
    – Brad Thorn thank you along with Nick Stiles and the QRU for saying that Genia was too expensive and not worth the money and that we need to invest in youth. Gee how is that working out for you.
    – The Rebs forwards worked really well together. And got lots of front foot ball. They dominated possession and territory.
    – QC and the Little Gnereal displayed why they are the dominant halves pairing in Aus. To play any other pairing in the world cup would be madness. But fuck we know Cheika will anyway.
    – The Rebs recover 95% of their line out ball. Highest in the SR competition. It shows. Rangi, surely must be in consideration with line out throwing line that.
    – Coleman had a great game.
    – Reds, skills let them down badly. Moving Kerevi to 13 hurt them. But their attack was one dimensional.
    Well done Johnny Rebs. Over to You GAGRs!

    • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

      To be honest I thought Luke Jones was the standout forward on the park. His speed and work rate in defence is excellent. And his maul defence was formidable, and probably saved a try when the game was still in the balance.

      • Brisneyland Local

        Very true. I am writing this up on my phone, half pissed as a passenger in my next door neighbours car coming back from the game! Will need to watch the game to do a full analysis.

      • joy

        Yes. I see him as our no 6. His silky skills remind me of Eales.

    • IIPA

      Agree all but point 2. Genia was poor in first half and better in second but still not fantastic. His inability to pass without a step is a negative.

      Reds have two very good younguns and McDermott played well again. That’s said, wily move by Genia jumping over the ruck to knock ball out of Tate’s hands.

      On chat and rev ups alone Genia scores a 7/10 tonight.

      You forgot to mention how poor MK was again in attack. Dreadful. At least he’s timing his rush defense better.

      • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

        If Koroibete makes the Wallaby squad then I don’t know what the point of the selection panel is.

        The bloke has literally no idea how to play rugby union. He looks like he’s still playing rugby league, until he panics when he realises the ball can be turned over in rugby and goes for an atrocious offload and loses the ball.

        Don’t get me started on his defence. Especially when he has to make a decision on who to tackle.

        • joy

          Genia needs to bark at him.

        • Brisneyland Local

          I was on the side line last night, and you could hear WIllly G bark at him. Wouldnt want to be MK.

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          How is he consistently a Wallaby but Naivalu isn’t.

          Fair dinkum.

        • Brisneyland Local

          I ask my self that same question.

        • GO THE Q REDS

          Tell me about it. I’m still dirty that Naivalu had to go to the Reds. What a poor bloke. I was salivating at having him out wide for Cooper to hit. So was he I bet. Notice how quick Naivalu signed a deal overseas tho….. Ouch! Massive shame for the wallabies!

        • Brumby Runner

          Exactly my thoughts DB.

      • The man is an inconsistent liability

    • joy

      Agree but you wouldn’t know from the report.
      Add these facts:
      Reds won:
      Defenders beaten 18 to 6
      Clean breaks 7 to 1
      Offloads 9 to 3
      Tackle success 95% to 85%
      And we’re flogged. Surely the big difference were the halves and one of them must be man of the match.
      The Wallabies have to be able to win when these metrics go against them and there is only one way we’ll see that.

      • Reds game plan still unknown.
        Set piece sucked.

      • Gallagher

        Great analysis joy!

      • Who?

        Completely agree. The Rebels’ forwards did some great work in general play and worked hard around the field. They created and turned over mauls at key moments, their discipline in defence was excellent.
        But Genia and Cooper controlled that game. They picked when and where to play. They set the tempo. Genia tackled a rampaging Tupou in space. Cooper tackled a rampaging Kerevi as the last line of defence. They were in pretty well all the key moments. Definitely worthy of MOTM mentions, if not more.

        • GO THE Q REDS

          Cooper took down Naivalu in space aswell.. .. Pretty surprised he didn’t get motm actually. . ..seeing as both tries to motm Maddocks scored were directly from Quades brilliance. Actually less surprised and more disappointed that people won’t “let it go” and just watch what’s happening on the field!

    • disqus_NMX

      Hell yes, that was awesome. A couple of extra observations:
      – How the hell did Tupou get away with tackling Genia’s jaw with his shoulder! Have the refs softened right up on attacks to the head this year?
      – How good was QC’s putting his hands to his ears to listen to the crowd on that last conversion.
      – Suck on eggs Thorn.

      • Brisneyland Local

        Hell yeah

      • Funk

        Couldn’t hear it on the TV but was there anyone in the crowd actually booing him…or was all coming from the coaches box??

        • disqus_NMX

          I couldn’t hear it much either. Don’t know if he was responding to the boos, or fishing for cheers? Seemed to me like there was a tiny bit of booing like the normal stuff the low-art fans do whenever the opposition is kicking for goal. Looked like a pretty small crowd anyway, and the game was done and dusted, so not much of any noise.

    • GO THE Q REDS

      Pretty much covered everything I was going to say except for Jones was very solid aswell. It’s easy to forget that was a wet game which makes what Genia and Quade did tonight even better. Great effort by the underdog rebels pack to out muscle the Reds!

      • Brisneyland Local

        Yeah I agree on the wet part. The pitch was pretty sodden. you could see the water coming off it.

      • Who?

        It just looked like the old days, same venue, same two calm heads running the show. A few years on, but clearly the same as ever. Knowing what needed to happen in slippery, humid, wet conditions in Brisbane. It felt so familiar.

        • GO THE Q REDS

          Yep how good was it watching Cooper clearly HOLD the wet ball and go into contact early in the game while playing flat despite having options around him, because he knows players aren’t warned up and using his discretion he chose not to risk the “traffic” ball at times! So refreshing to see rugby smarts again!

    • Keith Butler

      BL do I detect a hint of rancour in your comment or would your really like to tell us what you think of Mr Thorn. Mrs B is suggesting Mr T to replace Cheika any comment – polite please. I know I have criticised the Rebs pack in the past but they are really starting to gel into a good unit. That spell in the NH has done Luke Jones no end of good, hardened him up and looking like a 6 in a gold jersey, Cheika permitting. You’re also spot on regarding WG and QC. Quade no longer the one trick pony I thought he was, plays for the team first. Top man.

      • Brisneyland Local

        KB, I genuinely think that BT could be a great coach. He knows the game better than most. I think his ego / pride are what is causing his down fall.
        Surely he could have worked with Cooper. And after Hunt and Slipper served thier suspensions, worked with them on their path to redemption. That would have been the Christian way.
        Imagine the Reds with Cooper, Hunt and Slipper still in it?
        I would still be looking overseas for our next coach. But young Dave Wessel’s is looking good for the coach after next.

        • Keith Butler

          Comment about BT was a little tongue in cheek but you could well be right about Wessels as the future coach. Both myself and Mrs B have a soft spot for the Sunwolves and she will be howling next Saturday and then there’s the rugby.

        • Brisneyland Local

          KB not sure if you meant my comment about BT or yours was tongue in cheek?
          Mine definitely wasnt meant that way! ;-)

        • Keith Butler

          Mine ( or at least Mrs B) was. Hadn’t really thought about Thorn as the G&G coach to be honest. Could work providing he was selecting players in their proper positions – we have the cattle – and selects on current form and not past glories.

        • disqus_NMX

          Oh the irony that forgiveness is supposed to be the Christian way. Jesus forgives us and died on the cross for our sins, but nope, you don’t follow my ideals, you’re banished.

        • GO THE Q REDS

          You gotta stay on the team with its ideals to get that forgiveness. Knowing them but picking another team gets you banished to Japanese rugby….

      • Gallagher

        I honestly think a large part of the scrum performance was down to what Coleman brings, hes just so powerful.

    • Andy

      Genia and Cooper played extremely flat. And it was so good to watch. Reminded me of the 2011 side. Agree, should be the halves combo for the wabs

      • Brisneyland Local

        Yeah I am hoping so. If we have Kerevi, and another runnr. It will be like the Digby, and Ant Fa’ainga show again. What we would give for another Rocket Rod Davies!

  • Bobas

    My sons team got the biscuits and he woke up just in time to see them regain the boner point. I would love to see an actually wallaby team shake up based on this years SR performances, but I know too much about coaches to know that this will never happen.
    The tahtastic team that did the job (exceptionally well) in the second half against Argentina will be the fulcrum of the wallaby team barring injuries this world cup and it takes the gloss over the current form of players.

  • Bobas

    I’m no forward, but me thinks our props are so good atm they could carry Jones & Holloway

  • Gottsy

    Reds fans, we’re going to have to get used to this. We’re a young team and all the players who could have given us a bit of direction have been moved on, we just need a bit of time to develop.

    Pretty sure I wrote this in 2015, give it time guys! In all seriousness though, we still just look rudderless. Nobody seems to know wtf is going on on the field, I’m sure with time a lot of these young players will develop (until the reds office decides to get rid of them)
    Fuck knows what brad thorn’s plan is but at the moment it’s not pretty to watch.

    • GO THE Q REDS

      No kidding….Thorn is a Joke…. and it looks like its only getting worse! Kerevi off to Japan, Naivalu off as well.. ..

      • Gallagher

        To think we could of had a world class coach and a team sheet like below;

        Slipper
        Paenga-Amosa
        Tupou
        Simmons
        Rodda
        Gill
        Higgers
        Timu
        Genia
        Cooper
        Naivalu
        Hunt
        Kerevi
        Petaia/FSautia/Daugunu
        Folau

        • GO THE Q REDS

          Wow thats kinda depressing. ..

        • Who?

          That’s a team that you could argue would beat a current Wallabies team……… If it had a decent coach.

        • GoMelbRebels

          “Tell him he’s dreamin”.

    • You sound like Gus Gould. If they keep losing, reds will keep losing players, like kerevi next year, like they did over the passed few years. They need older experienced heads that will lead them. How many games have the half pairing (s) got between them? Where’s the old head on the hooker who knows the ropes? The spine is immature apart from an over the hill 8 who is not in the form of his life. Still no game plan, still no 10 to develop. Still the busted CFS hamstrings and no pilferer. People forget or choose not to remember that Liam fn Gill wanted back this year…

      • Who?

        I still can’t understand why any team – let alone the Reds – wouldn’t want LFG. Consistently one of the best players in the comp whilst he was around, still a young bloke. A true Reds legend.
        The only positive the Reds can point out is that BPA’s scoring tries… And McDermott’s looking ok. Though Sorovi can’t pass.

      • Gottsy

        Mate I’m not arguing with any of that, just trying my best to not slip into my usual bout of season- long depression because of how fucking badly the reds are mismanaged

        • Yeah, I understand. I am Judas to my mates because I enjoy watching good rugby too much and have decided traveling to Melbourne until the reds sort their shit out is being a traitor. Still love the reds, but can’t see things improving so I have moved on for the time being. Enjoying watching rugby again. Sorry about the Gus thing… Just sounded like a 5 year plan thyme of thing that cretin would say

  • GO THE Q REDS

    Forget who it was but if you want to see the perfect eg of how Bernard’s Foley should be doing cross field bombs. .. then watch this game! QUADE puts up the perfect cross field kick, it’s under advantage and it’s too a known high ball contender in his buddy Maddocks. It’s also a legitimate 2v1 scenario…….Folou would be watching at home salivating! Hopefully the Tahs and Cheika were taking a few notes…..

    • GO THE Q REDS

      And there’s another perfect eg….Diaz Bonnelli under advantage puts a mint cross field bomb straight into Tucalets hands for a try! THATS how you execute the cross field bomb.. . ..

  • skip

    I’ve typed and deleted this comment a few times. Short version, I’m happy Cooper is playing well and addressing some of the weaknesses in his game (a work in progress). I’m upset he was boned the way he was as if Thorn was a better coach he’d have told Cooper that as a 70-odd test player he shouldn’t need special coaching to follow a game plan and he wants to coach him back into the wallabies and into Reds legend status. If after that Cooper kept having brain fades or tweeted that he didn’t want to play for the Reds while Thorn was coach (as with Dingo), fine, drop him.

    As it is we’re paying for him to play better than our own players currently do against us. That’s annoying and it’s no one’s fault but Thorn’s.

    • joy

      Deans, Cheika and now Thorne want to dictate the game plans and see their first five as just another player. I suspect McKenzie and now Wessels actually helped Cooper to draw them up. Wessels has even claimed, correctly in my view, that Cooper will become a great coach in the future. There’s a reason why the whole of NZ booed Cooper for patting Sir Ritchie on the head and it had nothing to do with their Scottish ancestory. If Cooper maintains his form throughout the season he will be selected. The resumption of media inspired grand stand activism across the ditch will be the litmus test of our chances in Japan.

      • GO THE Q REDS

        Oh it’ll happen. But he’s no kid anymore so dare I say it’ll most likely backfire, simply fueling his passion. Just like last night with stupid smug Brad Thorn. I mean Quade sat Kerevi down, aswell as taking down Naivalu in open space while also putting the ball on a string all game and Thorn still couldn’t even acknowledge his standout game!

        • disqus_NMX

          And stole a ball out of Higger’s hands!

        • GO THE Q REDS

          Yep true, and both his try assists were exceptional. One showed perfect perception and execution while the other amaxing skills! What about that mint curve ball conversion from the sideline? (aka Thurston/Hayden Parker) Lots to like…..

      • skip

        That’s what i mean by coaching. Cooper is a coach-able player. I recall the 2011 game away to the Stormers when he kicked the leather off the pill, kept them in their half and thus nullified their rolling maul as a try scoring option. The week prior had been a game plan more what you expect from Quade. After 60mins they were so pissed off they were giving yellow cards for spiteful play. Thorn is from the old school where you shut up and did what you were told by the boss. Cooper is from an age where authority is questioned and demonstrated before being accepted. If Thorn can’t coach a player who capable of adapting his game to situations then that’s his problem. He didn’t even try. It’s really unedifying.

        • GO THE Q REDS

          Yeah good memory of that Stormers game. Night and day compared with the Blues game that year. Probably the exact opposite game plan which resulted with one of the greatest displays of individual brilliance in a single game ever!

  • Scott Rea

    Good write up Sucker for Red. Particularly liked your Match Turning Point and He-who-must-not-be named.

    Jones has been playing well and his work at disrupting the Reds lineout was immense.

    Looking forward to getting back to AAMI Park on Saturday night.

  • So the reds lost because their own errors? Gifted the rebels points you say? The rebels weren’t dominant throughout almost every part of the game? I am sorry, this write up tells A story, but please…

    • SuckerForRed

      What I assume you are saying is true – The Rebels played better than the Reds. However, you really can’t say the Rebels played brilliantly. There were some nice touches (Maddock’s first try for one), but they game was scrappy. Very scrappy. They just handled the conditions better than the Reds. Not brilliantly, but better. And that is all they needed to do.

      • GO THE Q REDS

        I’m with Urkillenme. For a WET game that was most certainly a dominant display with about as many mistakes as you’d expect in a wet game but far more razzledazzle then most. 1st 10 mins was really the only time Rebels struggled with both QUADE and Genia make g possession mistakes, but they still recovered fast and dominated position/field position. The dry game between Canes and Saders was a perfect eg. That was scrappy with the Saders coming away with a very flattering scoreline considering how the Canes where still able to play for huge chunks of that game!

      • Im not sure what youre saying to say… Okay, let’s put this into perspective. Wet conditions, away game for rebs, of the back of two SA away losses and travel. The one thing the reds has struggled with has been Game Plans. The Rebels executed an almost perfect game plan to the conditions . Reds Line out shut down, the Reds usually dominant scrum was nowhere to be seen. The Rebels regularly got over the advantage line and the kicking was outstanding particularly Hodge when given the opportunity. Im not sure what you want when the reds controlled (dominated) all the five minutes of the game.

        • Gallagher

          So true that!

  • dsb

    I would just like to say I thoroughly liked and enjoyed the game. The reds lost because the Rebels did not let them into the game. I enjoyed Quade in both attack and defense! I liked how he placed the ball into places where team mates were on the front foot and capable of scoring. I liked Genia the general for his passion and leadership. I liked Quade’s professional demeanour in the post match interview. As they say revenge is best served cold

  • nmpcart

    Just watched the game this morning. Genia and Cooper controlled that game very smartly. Rebels forwards were great, and patient. Reds scrum dominance wasn’t apparent – bit of a concession of defeat when Thorn changed the entire front row. Tupou needs to learn to tackle with his arms – 2 minutes on the field and he could/should have been on the sideline. Korobete – haven’t they got a better option in Melbourne? He just seems a liability in attack.

    • GO THE Q REDS

      To be fair he changes the whole front row most of the time from memory…..Reds probably have the best collection of front rowers in the whole competition!

      • SuckerForRed

        Yep. The only time he doesn’t is if injury is involved.

      • nmpcart

        Fair enough, I would have thought that could be quite disruptive to the pack having a complete change but I suppose if they are used to working as a collective front row group it might be the best way.

        • GO THE Q REDS

          Oh I certainly have no opinion whether it’s the wrong or right way. ….. Although I’d assume it hurts ones chances at earning starting spots if your seen as a front row “group” and not individuals in that group.

    • Brisneyland Local

      Yep Watching the replay I thought Tongan Thor was lucky not to be carded for that one.

  • Brumby Runner

    I am hoping the result will be a good one for Aus rugby.

    First, the Rebels are the one Aus team with a somewhat realistic chance of going somewhere in the finals, so it will be good if they can keep up the wins, no matter how much it hurts the rest of us.

    Then, with an independent selection committee (am I being too optimistic?) the better the Rebels go, the more likely we will see the end of the domination of Wallaby selections by Waratahs.

    On the match itself, I think it demonstrated how important the second row and flankers are to having a stable scrum. On the face of it, the Reds’ front row should have ensured scrum dominance, but the set piece was very even imo because the Rebels’ back 5 were all giving their all at scrum time.

    Cooper is so far in front of all other No 10s in the country that his elevation to the Wallabies this year should be automatic. Even allowing for errors, particularly in the first half, he manages the attack so much more effectively than any other 10. And then he pulls plays out of the hat that lead directly to scoring opportunities, much more so than any other 10. And his one on one defense is the best I’ve seen it in all the years he’s played. The Genia/Cooper combination is just the icing on the cake.

    Luke Jones had another very impressive game and probably is the current front runner for the 6 spot with the Wallabies, but that would mean the dismantling of the Pooper to allow Naisarani to come in at 8. That is the way it should go, but I have little confidence except for the optimism I mentioned above.

    • Keith Butler

      Can’t argue with any of your comments BR. As a slightly biased ex lock it’s where the power comes from and i’m sure BL would agree. As i’ve posted before Luke Jones spell in the NH has done him a power of good. I think the Rebs have enough choices at 4&5 to enable him more game time at 6. Would make it as a utility back 5 forward for the RWC in my book.

  • Greg

    Who is this guy playing 10 for the Rebels? He seems to be going OK. I think the Reds need someone like that… perhaps a 9 as well.

  • Brisneyland Local

    Gentlemen and Ladies, I have it on very good authority that Tongan Thor is shopping an out for his contract with the Reds. He wants out of the Reds set up. Is any one else hearing what I am hearing?

    • theduke

      Could he be the new Berrick Barnes? The talent deserts and eventually the coach will have to go.

      • Brisneyland Local

        Could be. I have recieved two phone calls now from Islander friends and they are saying he wants out. Is very unhappy there.

        • disqus_NMX

          Sounds reasonable. He did very well under Styles, turning himself into a first class scrummager, but now his performances are regressing. which often indicates a mental state. I’d love to see him at the Rebels, and I think he would go very well there.

        • Brisneyland Local

          Me too. Walked down the road spoke to a Fijian mate who is very well connected to the Islander community and apparently it is not just Thor. Part of the reason why kerevi is leaving too. Seems the whole Islander clan are not happy campers at the Reds!

        • Greg

          Any view on the reason?

          Many of the islander community have very strong religious beliefs. I would have thought this might have fitted well at the Reds.

        • GO THE Q REDS

          What Thorn did to Quade certainly wasn’t “christian”. If he was happy to treat someone like that so openly in public sight….. who knows what he’s really like.

        • Brisneyland Local

          From what I have heard, and I am paraphrasing. That was the initial attraction. But apparently the lads are not happy with how others are being excluded, and the chopping and changing. Not sure what that all means but this is what I am hearing.

        • Keith Butler

          Would explain his drop in form. Mentally not there. Great pity has I rate him.

    • GO THE Q REDS

      I called this from the start. Tupou famously admitted it was one of the major reason why he signed with the Refs in the 1st place. .. Too play with his schoolboy idol Quade Cooper. Imagine watching what happened 1st hand…. .

      • disqus_NMX

        Oh wow, imagine the Rebels with Tupou there back to his scrummaging best, and running lines off Genia, just like Rangi has been, or hitting inside balls off QC! Whoever is running the scrum coaching (presumably Nic Henderson?), is clearly doing a great job this year, bringing the Rebels scrum up to scratch. Add in a weapon like Tupou and look out.

      • Brisneyland Local

        Would turn an average to strong forward pack into a hell of a pack!

        • GO THE Q REDS

          Well there’s also Talaki at the Rebels doing well who was at the Reds and unwanted right….

        • Brisneyland Local

          The list goes on. The Thorn experiment looks like it is about to implode in a rather nasty way. It will have the lasting effects of the Woody Graham era.

        • Who?

          Great call. It’s amazing that Talakai was released, though it shows the depth that was unrecognised in the Reds scrum. He’s always been a top class Super level THP, and never been considered for higher honours. But I can’t recall him ever being part of a weak scrum.

    • Bernie Chan

      Jeez…BT is causing another great ‘exodus’…? Salokaia-Loto rumoured to want out as well, Thor, Kerevi…and a few starters already signed for overseas clubs (Hegarty, DPA…). Losing Thor, who only ever wanted to play for the Reds would be a damning indictment of the player management issues under the BT regime. Losing Kerevi would be almost a killer blow..the one outstanding player in the current team. Playing him at #13 last night was wasting his talents…he got almost no ball. How many years will the QRU give BT while our Reds are stuck in 4th of 4 Oz teams…?

      • Brisneyland Local

        Rumours I am hearing is he is on a 4 year deal.

        • Bernie Chan

          That would be typical of our QRU…going “all-in” on an unproven coach.

        • Brisneyland Local

          Yep. Lets hope they dont do another world wide search for the next coach. Which usually only goes as far as the Ballymore carpark.

        • Woodsman

          Not sure they even went that far this time. Just bumped into Thorn coming out of the dunny.
          “Stiles keeps stealing shit out of the fridge we need need a new coach.”
          “Urgh”
          “You’re hired!”

        • Brisneyland Local

          I reckon that is about it.

        • Bernie Chan

          Well the anecdotal evidence over the years is the the Old Boys running the QRU think Ballymore IS the world..so the carpark is actually ‘worldwide’ by their reckoning…

        • Brisneyland Local

          Pure Gold Bernie!

    • Happyman

      Hadn’t heard Thor had heard Timu, Kerevi, SalakaiLoto,
      Along with Higgers and Dp, Navailu (who was just a rental and a bad one at that) who have already gone. It won’t leave much will it.

      The worst part is that most are just hitting their prime. Our retention has been rubbish for thirty years.

      • Brisneyland Local

        QRU recruiting and keeping the best!

        • Happyman

          Question is Gross stupidity doing the same thing 144 times

        • Brisneyland Local

          Allegedly your honour!

  • Gallagher

    Anyone see how quick Kerevi came over after the game to congratulate Cooper, he was still in his back swing of taking the final conversion, feel for the guy…

    • GO THE Q REDS

      Ha yeah Kerevi supported Quade last year while he was at South’s and remember him being very quick to congratulate Quade after games! Must be pretty close hey

    • Bernie Chan

      Kerevi is a classy, humble guy. Clearly a mate of QCs too (most in the Reds squad were…it seems only BT thought QC didn’t “fit”…), so it must have hurt to see how he was forced out…If BT loses Kerevi (and Thor…)then the Reds are buggered for many years..

  • RF

    I’ve been a critic of Cooper’s, and I think the criticisms of him are completely warranted, but he should be in the driving seat for Joburg on July 20 .

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