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Reds V Jaguares- Reds versus the World

Reds V Jaguares- Reds versus the World

We are at the third game of the Queensland Reds season, and the animal themed road trip through three continents is almost over. The last stop is a visit to Argentina, where the Jaguares are ready to pounce. Will the Reds be able to win, and provide something prior to the first home game of the season next week? Or will the season be nearly over before it really begins? Let’s find out…

 

THE MATCH

We kick off with a typically noisy South American atmosphere with a rowdy, if not large crowd. The Reds showed a real attacking mindset early after some turnovers from Jaguares set pieces. A kick chase after a tighhead was a real highlight, but poor ball security (as with so many games in the last few seasons) let them down at key moments. Attacking downfield kicks seemed to be a definite part of the tactics the Reds were employing early on as nearly every attacking raid seemed to feature one.

The first ten minute had the Reds with the majority of possession and territory and eventually this told, with a neat O’Connor dummy setting McDermott free on the inside and he scored just to the right after 11 phases. Amazing what holding the ball does to a team… Campbell converted and it’s 7-0 Reds after 12 minutes. What was really noticeable at this point was the brutality of the defence and breakdowns, with both teams just unloading on each other. Clearly whichever team can maintain that will come out on top.

James O’Connor was getting more involved early and probably had more touches in the first 20 minutes than he did all of last week against the Lions, up to this point any of the attacking spark was being generated by him. He nearly put Speight away on the left at one point, and only a good tackle and then poor awareness saw Speight go out.

Very soon early the short side proved manna from heaven with Salakaia-Loto linking with Speight who put Liam Wright away inside. Campbell knocked it over again and the Reds are 14-0 up after 19. Dare to dream?

The Jaguares were bound to hit back at some point and they did soon enough. A turnover from the kickoff put pressure on the Reds and after a couple of penalties, a rolling maul in the left corner put captain Montoya over and with the conversion it is 14-7 after 25 minutes.

The Reds were threatening to undo themselves with silly penalties as they often do, but then from a scrum a beautifully worked set move set Chris Feauai-Sautia free on the right and he wouldn’t be headed and got it down. Campbell just missed the conversion and the Reds are up 19-7. As with the Brumbies game, Henry Speight was looking for work and it was another of his offloads that ultimately set his other winger free.

Leading into halftime, the Jaguares were torn to threads again, this time Hunter Paisami making a break and sending Taniela Tupou away inside, who fell over himself, regathered and secured the ball which then allowed McDermott to put a long ball to Feauai-Sautia into acres of space for the easiest try of his career. Another hard conversion missed and it is 24-7 Reds.

Right on half time the Jaguares hit back, with sustained pressure and penalties leading to open space on the left and a speculative kick pass bounced around and Boffelli was the beneficiary and scored. After the conversion is missed we go to halftime with the Reds ahead 24-12.

We come out of the break and the Reds suffered a bit of first half hangover. A dubious “high” tackle call on McDermott gave the Jaguares an attacking chance, and then a fast moving maul proved impossible to stop and Montoya had his second. For all the attacking flair of the first half, the Reds are now only five points in front. 24-19. Will all the penalties, justified and otherwise, come back to haunt the Reds yet again? Yet another one from a silly Tupou offisde gave Miotti a simple three and now it is 24-22 after 48 minutes.

With a mounting penalty count the Reds are threatening to derail themselves again, even if you take into account some of the more “interesting” penalty calls. The Reds finally win a penalty of their own, after another Paisami break, for a count of 8-2 against, which Campbell slots to make it 27-22 after 53.

The penalty count really did bite the Reds eventually, with the 10th penalty putting Jaguares near the line and the 11th seeing Wright go to the bin for an iffy hands in the ruck call. Off that penalty, Montoya followed the maul and got his hat trick, and with the conversion it was 29-27 with the Reds facing 9 more minutes a man down.

The floodgates looked likely to open when replacement hooker Socino scored from yet another maul after yet another penalty. Conversion made it 36-27, and it was 43-27 very soon after when a non-call on a offside put Cubelli over.

That’s how the game finished and the Reds will be looking forward to finally getting home and playing in front of a home crowd, no matter the size.

 

MATCH TURNING POINT

The sin binning of Liam Wright is what ended the chances of the Reds, which were hanging by a thread until that point from a mix of penalties, both real and imagined. There is no disputing that many of the penalties were warranted but others were soft or confusing. I cannot see how a team can concede as many penalties as they did and not earn more than two themselves. I’m not prone to exaggeration post=game but the sooner there are neutral refs for all games, the better.

 

 

GAGR MOTM

Hunter Paisami was close to the best back on the park all game. He came into the game unheralded and as a stop gap for the injury to Petaia, but did more in the first game than Jordy had in the first two games. Santiago Carreras was also huge for the Jaguares but a lot of his best work was done when the Reds were on the back foot, whereas Paisami did it when the game was a lot tighter.

WALLABY WATCH

James O’Connor got involved more and certainly was the spark for a number of the good things the Reds did, especially in the first half. Tate McDermott was again excellent , while Henry Speight looked more involved. On the downsides both Taniela Tupou and Lukhan Salakaia-Loto again gave away far too many penalties and that simply won’t work at Test level.


STATS

Reds –  
Tries:  Feauai-Sautia 2, McDermott, Wright,
Conv: Campbell 2
Penalties: Campbell

Jaguares- 
Tries: Montoya 3, Boffelli, Socino, Cubelli
Conv: Miotti 3, Albornoz
Penalties: Miotti

Cards- Liam Wright was yellow carded on 62 minutes for one too many penalties and hands on the ball in a ruck.

 

  • Tim

    Super Rugby is just getting harder and harder to watch. Rebels vs Tahs really poor quality. Brumbies vs Highlands cant hold onto a game to save their lives. Reds the same thing. Although I only watched the second half they where out played. In saying that the ref did only target the reds players if they did attack the ruck normally they would get penalised. I thought our lock came through to ruin their mawl perfectly but the ref called him out which enabled them to score. Watching this round of Australian rugby all teams play for about 60 minutes then turn of. Which is what I might start to do because its just so disappointing.

    PS just upset with the results will probably still watch every game fml.

    • Westo

      Here here…I was so pumped after half time this Sun morning, I paused and went and got me some beers and did some running around. Midday hit and I popped my beer and watched the second half. I have never been so deflated, I’m not sure I can watch this anymore. And you are so right about about Liam coming through the maul, thats his job and he did it well. Fuck this I’m out; See you next week at Suncorp!

  • kp

    Totally agree about the reffing – if that ref keeps his job the game is finished.

    And after the non-send off in the brumbies v highlanders game, Australian teams could rightfully ask what the hell is going on.

  • Tangawizi

    If RugbyAU wants the game to survive professionally in this country, they call out garbage refereeing displays like this and get neutral referees in place immediately, and overhaul the TMO process.
    So many calls went against the Reds that were just outright wrong. Jags try before halftime was an obvious knock on in the contest, scrum penalty against the Reds after halftime that should’ve gone the other way, ball kicked out of O’Connor’s hands as he tried to score.
    If Super Rugby as an organisation wants to start setting standards in world rugby again instead of just following Europe they need to overhaul the TMO process with something that resembles the NRL bunker. While that isn’t perfect, it’s miles ahead of the BS decisions coming out of the Super Rugby TMO boxes in Argentina & South Africa.
    If fans don’t perceive that their team is going to get a fair go, they won’t waste their time watching anymore and that’s precisely what’s happening in Australian rugby.
    No, the refs didn’t make Tupou knock on or Mafi overthrow but they should at least referee both teams equally.

    • Keith Butler

      The Rebs suffered the same penalty count when they were in Saffaland. Surprise, surprise a home referee.

      • ballymoreburning

        the reds fans have had an entire decade of this stuff in SA. outright shocker games from local refs year after year. how is the sport meant to seem relevant to Aussie sports fans if our teams are filling the numbers for overseas junkets? the decline of officiating standards over the last decade has had a lot do with where super rugby stands now.

    • Huw Tindall

      Neutral refs are actually quite expensive as it’s means most games are flying in 4 extra foreigners each match. It’s a poor excuse but in a cash strapped comp it has been previously brought up in arguments against neutral refs. Mainly they say that they are ‘professionals’ so won’t be biased. Still, there is a reason Nigel Owens hasn’t reffed many Welsh games regardless of how much of a consummate professional he may be.

      • Keith Butler

        As long as the ref and TMO are neutral, the ARs can be overruled by the man in charge. But I take your point about cost.

      • Tangawizi

        I don’t buy cost as an excuse when it’s impacting the integrity of the competition. How much do SANZAR get for the TV rights? There’s surely enough in that to cover neutral refs.

        • Huw Tindall

          Yeah I agree it’s a shit excuse and very much a cut off your nose to spite your face argument but it’s been raised before. With rugby as it is we need to get all this peripheral stuff right so all the focus is on games. Think of the shit show with the tackle laws and how much that distracted at RWC.

  • idiot savant

    Thanks Ben for such a speedy report. Mea Culpa. I was wrong about the selection strategy of the Reds. I was critical of them playing 4 locks when I thought hard working ruck monkeys was the way to go. Boy was I wrong. It seems the Reds brains trust did their homework. I haven’t seen the Argies play this year and it seems they have spent the entire Christmas break practising mauls. The 4 locks were chosen to try and combat the maul. Right idea. Shame it didnt work. If Anselmi refs every game the Jags play this season they will not lose. Its an unbeatable strategy. Penalty for any offence real or imagined followed by a 50 metre kick for touch followed by a maul. Its bloody foolproof and so entertaining. If the maul becomes the dominant scoring strategy of world rugby gee I can see fans flocking to stadiums to watch.

    The only really attractive rugby that was worth watching in that game was by the losing side. And for the first time since he started I saw the results of some backs coaching by Mackay. I was beginning to think he was a myth. Last year the Randwick genius played ‘give it to Kerevi’ which is exactly what Paul Carozza had coached the year before. Now its a passathon with a 12 who distributes and a blind wing joining the line and inside backs wrapping around for 2 touches. Who are these people? Keep it up boys! Its great to watch.

    • Keith Butler

      Very similar to the Ponies efforts last night. Definitely one for the line out drive purists. Very effective but entertaining?

      • Nutta

        I found it entertaining… but what a contrast with one side (by my book) completely dominating the scrum (but getting little recognition for it) and the other dominating the lineout (and getting referee protection/recognition for it).

        • Keith Butler

          Being saying it for a long time, we must have neutral refs for home games if it removes any ambiguity. At least we can still curse them.

        • Nutta

          I tend to agree. True or not it just takes the bias argument away. What’s interesting for me though is a nagging suspicion I have that Refs are responding to a crowd and it may even be worse for visiting Refs (hear me out). Players are enveloped in the squad. There are 25 odd solid, capable fellas plus support staff all “in it together” and from that they draw a strength particularly because they spend so much of their time looking inwards. But a Ref flying in is all solo. He’s in the hotel solo. He eats solo. He moves around solo. He has none of the insulation or strength of a squad (real or imagined). The only input & interaction they get is external. So they will be quite aware of their external environment. And I reckon that would impact their decision making heavily. Answers? I dunno.

        • Keith Butler

          True. I recall back in the day playing what we called 1st class rugby in the UK when we had just the ref and touch judges one from each club that had no input into the game. Any quibbles about decisions and the ref would say ‘see me after the game’. Done that on more than one occasion over a pint. Wouldn’t happen now though or would it?

        • Nutta

          It was always a big thing in Country Rugby (at least that I played in) to be sure Refs were incorporated particularly into the post-game including one of the skolls, having something to say in the presso’s etc and there often chat about “Hey, i didn’t get this call…?”. It was healthy and welcome. Older club-guys watched it pretty carefully so the Ref didn’t cop anything untoward but I don’t recall that ever being the case. City rugby is different. I don’t recall ever seeing Refs at the post-game. That said from some of the idiotic shite I’ve seen in city rugby (especially lower divisions of Sydney Subbies over the more recent years) I’m not that surprised.

        • Keith Butler

          Yes. We came across some officious dicks in the top grade but once you moved down they were more affable to the point where we were on first names terms – none of that ‘but Sir’ crap.

        • Greg

          Nigel Owens? :-)

        • Nutta

          Nige doesn’t ref subbies!

    • Nutta

      Worth noting your hands-up approach. Respect.

  • Mortahs Incoming – custardtaht

    Another year of promise, another year of the same results, Reds will still only win 6 games
    this year.
    Glad they look fit and worked hard in the off season, at least they can say they won the off season, cause they ain’t winning fuck all else during the season.

    • Westo

      I can see what the coaching staff are doing and it looks pretty good mate. Ok we had some unforced errors today early in the 2nd half, that coupled with soft penalties and a weapon of an Argie maul, which the soft penalties help them enforce, really puts pressure on a young team and the rest is history. Here here to neutral refs every game.

      • John Tynan

        Totally agree mate. I’m happy with what I am seeing, apart from decision making and fade outs. I think a few players started the season injured – Hegarty looks as slow as me (and that’s slow!) and not kicking, Petaia rumours confirmed by withdrawal last week.

  • ballymoreburning

    wow, I hate whinging about the ref, but all the hags first half points were from possession and territory from blatantly incorrect rulings. he literally kept them in the game. the second half was confounded by some genuinely good play from the home team. however, the real turning point was the astounding judgement of the reds scrum under the posts. the entire pack moving forward and they get pinged for walking around. how can you continue to compete whole heartedly after that moment? the writing was on the wall

    • Westo

      I am just so disheartened now as for a second week running those 2 to 3 percenters have lost us the game. Although I don’t believe that the refs do this intentionally there is a real and proven phenomena called unconscious bias where one subliminally selects the best option that is closes to there fit or personality. Tonight the closest fit for the 4x Argie refs happen to be Argentina. Last week in Jo’berg, the 4x RSA refs were unconsciously (or perhaps even consciously based on some of the calls) were favouring the local team. As I am really struggling to even watch any more under these circumstances, I just hope we get our 4 Aussie refs (do we even have 4?) and they are unconsciously biased.

      • idiot savant

        Thats the trouble. The Aussie refs are frightened of being marked down by their bosses for showing any bias towards Australian sides. The boss of the SANZAR refs is a kiwi so penalise them at your peril. Witness Berry’s utterly gutless decision not to red card Tomkinson against the Brumbies. A kiwi ref would have had no such hesitation against an Australian.

        • Jason

          Honestly, there really ought to be no referees officiating a team from their own nation, I don’t mind if it’s a local derby but when it’s two international teams. Heck even use a referee from the visiting team would be a step up.

        • idiot savant

          Im not sure any Australian side will ever get the rub of the green under a kiwi referee.

        • John Tynan

          You should have stopped at “Honestly, there really ought to be no referees officiating.”Full stop right there.

        • Jason

          Yeah, I was trying to leave leeway for some kind of SANZAAR compromise, it’ll never happen, but it’s beyond ridiculous.

        • Mica

          Not to mention a yellow card on the second defensive penalty from the lineout. Prior to the Brumbies’ game the Sharks got the rough end of the pineapple against the ‘canes. Maybe it was Karma considering how they’ll be reffed against foreign opposition back in the republic. Honestly though it is getting beyond a joke.

    • Satiricon Expulsado

      I think that if it is not about the match for a championship, the referees direct evenly for both sides (always trying to preserve the health of the players above all). If you ask me about the impartiality of the referees …. the distances and trips are expensive to be impartial as it should, what can be done is that when playing in B.Aires come referees from SA and vicevera! in the same way between NZ and AUS.

    • KwAussie Rugby Lover

      I’m with you. He was very poor. Not so much cheating but definitely watching only one team

      • Greg

        I am trying to understand that distinction!

        • KwAussie Rugby Lover

          To me it wasn’t a deliberate I will fuck the Reds over, more he just had a bias where he saw everything wrong in the Reds and nothing in the Jaguars

        • Who?

          Put it this way – refs can’t cheat. They can’t advantage themselves.
          Refs can be incompetent, they can be cyclopic, they can be biased.
          Incompetent, that’s obvious. They’re usually fairly even handed in that case – frustrating, but usually no team ends up significantly advantaged. Witness Garces – if you’re asking him to police forward passes, time to accept that he just doesn’t understand the concept. But both teams are playing on a level playing field.
          Cyclopic, as in one-eyed. That’s what Anselmi was, at best. He was watching only a single team, oblivious to the other team’s infractions. This is a common issue in SA.
          Biased, well… That’s what many would call cheating. But, given it’s not to their own personal advantage (because the referee can’t ‘win’), it’s not cheating. It’s showing bias. Deliberately advantaging a team.
          However, to make accusations of bias…… That’s a big deal, and you’d want to be able to back it up (for fear of libel).

        • Parker

          It’s the difference between dereliction of duty and malicious intent.

      • Parker

        I’m late to join this year, but I love the rebranding Quasi. I have a hunch you’ll thrive with it.

        • KwAussie Rugby Lover

          Thanks mate. My wife, who’s an Aussie I hooked up when we served together in Timor, called it. I like it lol

    • Huw Tindall

      Bang on with the turning point here mate. I was gobsmacked. Jags going backwards multiple times and ping Qld for walking around AFTER the Jags are already going backwards? WTF. If the Reds had got 7 points then the Jags would have been properly chasing the match. It all seemed to fall apart after that with the Reds frustrated and the ref’s one eye.

  • Jason

    Federico Anselmi obvious candidate MOTM, I am outraged that he was overlooked! He did more for his side than any other Argentinean out there.

  • Wheatman01

    Can someone help me out with the lineout laws – especially when the throwing teams players from outside the 10m are allowed to advance. It seemed as though there would be 3-4 Jag players join the lineout almost before the jumper had hit the ground, let alone be moved off the mark, or the ref say lineout over.

    • RugbyReg

      yeah, no one is allowed to move in from 10ms until the lineout is over. The lineout is over when the ball basically moves past that rectangle of the lineout, being over the 15m at the back or off the mark that was the lineout. Those players came in way too early.

      • Wheatman01

        Thanks Reg, as it kept on happening I needed to recheck the rule and my understanding of it. I wonder if the Argie’s will try that tactic come Rugby Championship.

  • Gun

    And they wonder why no one watches super rugby. Did someone say Argentinian fried koala….

  • Brisneyland Local

    Hello GAGR’s. Just finished watching this, and must say I genuinely see some improvement in the Reds. I wont bitch about the referumps, as the Reds gave away too many chances. But we must have neutral referumps. That display was disgusting, and embarrassing!
    With a start to season like like this, the Pirate must be watching the value of the product she is trying to sell going down the toilet.

    • Nutta

      “Something is only worth what someone else is willing to pay.”

      • Who?

        I see that optometrists sponsor other codes’ referees, perhaps, in the interest of ensuring fair results, this is the one area we’d accept betting agencies’ money? Because if anyone’s needing to ensure the integrity of the comp, surely it’s those who have money riding on it!

  • formerflanker

    The Dane Coles cheap shot on Sharks’ reserve Sanele Nohamba is another example of refs avoiding the tough decisions.
    Nohamba was on the ground and Coles dives into his head area with a swinging arm.
    Red card for all money, but no sir.
    Ruining the game.

    • Keith Butler

      Dane Coles has form.

      • Nutta

        Bloody oath he does. And the shame is he doesn’t have to. It’s a bit like Dylan Hartley in that they are authentically good enough as-is. Coles is quite quick, very good technically and has great support ability but has this penchant for nasty, dumb and completely frivolous crap. Look, I’m not virgin here. I’ve done plenty of things on a field I wish I had not have done. And as an older guy now playing every game like it’s my last I’m more awake about it because when I’m done – when I’m out – I don’t want my memories or even the few folk who may actually remember me to remember that.

        • Keith Butler

          Great player a few years back but I wonder whether injuries and age have taken their toll and he has to resort to niggle. Some great players do go that way.

        • Who?

          That’s the frustrating bit, Nutta – that these blokes don’t need to do it. If it’s your one extra trick to help hold your ground, then it’s not ideal, but it’s understandable. But when you’re in the conversation as the best in your position in the world, and you still feel the need to do it…
          If I were his coach, I’d be furious. If he ‘needed’ to do it to maintain parity, I’d follow the Madden/Leigh Mathews approach. Gotta go hard. But when you’re a class above, I’d be complaining that they’re wasting energy on pointless dirty play that has huge risk for little reward. It’s not like people are even remotely concerned about copping a cheap shot from Coles compared to what he might do if he doesn’t attack players on the ground, but rather continues to roam in those wider channels. By going in where he’s not needed, he reduces attacking options, which is wasteful and should be disciplined out by a good coach.

  • Tomthusiasm

    Was Feauai-Sautia lucky not to get a card for his shoulder to the head of the Jags player? I was watching the second quarter of the match with the sound down so couldn’t hear the reasoning. The officials don’t seem to be targeting these hits anymore, I’ve seen similar hits go unpunished in the first few rounds across many teams.

    • Nutta

      I reckon the pendulum swung too far at the Bill – with the citing of Kevvy for his high fend on Rhys Patchell resulting in his 3wks suspension being the low/high point – and now we see the over-reaction correction. It’s either that or simply classic NZI syndrome (New Zealand Innocence). I recall very distinctly in all this the hit on Frog Remy Grosso by Sam Cane and Ofa Tu’ungafasi that left the guy with two separate skull fractures and absolutely zero response from the citing commissioner.

      • Huw Tindall

        Don’t know mate. People still getting carded up here in NH comps for weak tackle sh!t similar to the RWC. Think the SH test teams could be in for a surprise when a NH ref officiates.

        • Nutta

          We see the text-book over-officiating of seat-belt tackles constantly. Mind numbing adherence to the law and not the spirit. But then we see garbage not touched…

        • Huw Tindall

          Feels like the cops…chief says we need to up our numbers on speeding fines this month so all the boys go out looking for that and not things that actually matter to Joe Blow

        • Nutta

          We see the text-book over-officiating of seat-belt tackles constantly. Mind numbing adherence to the law and not the spirit. But then we see garbage not touched…

      • Tomthusiasm

        SO two wrongs actually make a right then?

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