Preview: Reds v. Waratahs — The Finals Countdown

Steve Timms July 12, 2012 20

No GravatarDuring the Reds’ resurgence year in 2010, they fell just short of appearing in the finals for the first time in years. This year’s outcome looks to be pretty similar.

Don’t get me wrong, I certainly think the Reds of 2012 have the game to make a real fist of finals should they get that far, but it is never a good situation to be in to need other things to happen to make it. It’s much better having your destiny in your own hands.

So, what are these scenarios? Basically, it goes a little like this…

There are two ways the Reds can qualify, Win or Win with a bonus point. If they win without a bonus point they would be on 57 points. That would be enough for them to qualify if one of the following happens:

  • the Cheetahs beat the Sharks (possible, and probably the greatest hope), or
  • the Lions beat the Bulls (dreaming), or
  • the Force beat the Crusaders (more dreaming).

To add a bit of peril to this, the Reds would need two of the above to happen if (again, unlikely but quite possible) the Hurricanes score a bonus point win against the Chiefs.

The second scenario that gets them some finals action is a bonus point win over the Waratahs (how many times has that happened in a Templeton Cup match?). If they get the BP win, they need any one of the following:

  • the Sharks get anything less than a 5 point win against the Cheetahs, or
  • the Bulls get anything less than a 5 point win against the Lions, or
  • the Crusaders lose to or draw with the Force.

There is one other twist to this too, just to add some colour. If the Brumbies should lose by more than 7 and not score four tries (that is, if they fail to pick up a BP) against the Blues on Saturday night, then the Reds would not only make the finals, but winning the Aussie conference would let them host a Qualifying Final. They will know the result of that match before taking the field.

So, the only real thing, other than mathematics, standing in their way is the Waratahs. The Tahs may be coming off a record number of losses and looking like they couldn’t be bothered, but one suspects waltzing into Suncorp with plans of taking the BP and planning training and travel for the finals is a sure way to ensure an early mad Monday.

The Waratahs will lift, and if the Reds don’t be careful, they will spoil the run. The Reds’ best bet is to come out firing. If they can rack up some quick points while not conceding many the Waratahs’ heads will drop and the bonus point will be possible. But they have to hit them hard, early.

The Waratahs’ best bet will be to stick it up the jumper and not let the Reds have the ball at all. The need to win and the desire to score a BP will be strong; if they can reduce the damage early, the desperation will start to tell. The only problem with this plan is the Waratahs’ tendency for aimless kicking (I don’t care about how much they kick; it’s the lack of quality of kicks that lets them down), and poor handling will make holding the ball an equal liability.

The Teams

On the Red side, coach Ewen McKenzie has been able to slot in the returning Liam Gill (hamstring) and Digby Ioane (pneumonia) into the starting team. Beau Robinson overcomes his own injury scare to be on the bench and Digby replaces the injured F’Sautia. There may be a cloud over Rob Simmons due to his knee tweak in last week’s game, with Blake Enever and Nick Frisby bracketed on the bench.

For the Waratahs, Siteleki Timani replaces Wycliff Palu who has been ruled out through injury. That’s the only change to the team that lost to the Brumbies last week.  It isn’t a straight swap, though — Timani is into the second row, with Dean Mumm moving to 6 and Dave Dennis dropping back to 8.

Reds

1. Greg Holmes,  2. Saia Faingaa, 3. James Slipper, 4. Rob Simmons, 5. Adam Wallace-Harrison (vc), 6. Jake Schatz, 7. Liam Gill, 8. Scott Higginbotham, 9. Will Genia, 10. Quade Cooper, 11. Digby Ioane, 12. Mike Harris, 13. Anthony Faingaa, 14. Dom Shipperley, 15. Luke Morahan.

Reserves : 16. James Hanson, 17. Ben Daley, 18. Radike Samo, 19. Beau Robinson, 20. Jarrad Butler, 21. Ben Lucas, 22. Ben Tapuai, 23rd man Nick Frisby/Blake Enever

Waratahs

15. Adam Ashley-Cooper, 14. Lachie Turner, 13. Rob Horne, 12. Berrick Barnes, 11. Drew Mitchell, 10. Bernard Foley, 9. Grayson Hart, 8. Dave Dennis, 7. Chris Alcock, 6. Dean Mumm, 5. Kane Douglas, 4. Sitaleki Timani, 3. Paddy Ryan, 2. Tatafu Polota-Nau, 1. Benn Robinson (c).

Reserves: 16.  John Ulugia, 17. Jeremy Tilse, 18. Lopeti Timani, 19. Jono Jenkins, 20. Brendan McKibbin, 21. Tom Carter, 22. Tom Kingston.

The Details

VENUE & TIME: Suncorp Stadium, Brisbane. Saturday July 14 at 7:30pm (AEST)

Be sure to get there a little earlier too, because something plenty of people say should be done, is being done. There is a curtain-raiser: the annual  City v. Country match kicks off at 5:15pm. Last year the Country boys got up 27–26 in a tough match. Will they be able to go back-to-back?

Tip

I wish I could make this tip after 20 minutes to see if the Reds are firing or the Tahs have burrowed in, but I guess plenty of tipsters would like that luxury each week. I think the Reds’ mindset might just give the edge; the Tahs must be a mess mentally, and with the touch QC and co. are in there is a good chance for a bit of a blowout. The fact it is a Templeton Cup match is my only concern with this prediction. But there it is — Reds with a bonus point win, and the finals await. Maybe.

Discussion »

  • SW

    I too think (and hope) the Reds can pull off a bonus point win over the Tahs:

    (1) They are playing at Suncorp
    (2) The Reds have Gill and Ione back – both crucial
    (3) Tahs are shite and are on a 7 game losing streak
    (4) The Tahs won’t have enough grunt in the fwds without Kepu and Palu.

    Here’s hoping the Sharks don’t get a bonus point win.

  • Jimbo81

    WE ARE RED!

  • duckbill

    BP win for the Reds but the yarpies will fix things to get through…

  • mw

    I know Palu is supposed to be a big influence in the Tahs pack but did you really miss how the Brumbies pack got stitched up last week? Tahs will keep it close even if they don’t win.

  • RJ

    If the reds win, the atmosphere at the caxton at 1:00am when the Sharks game starts will be electric. 1000 drunk men beating their chest as if the cheetah’s were our own. I cannot wait. Looking forward to a blow over.

    If the reds make the six, we play brumbies in the qualifying final. I dont see to many problems with knocking off the brumbies. Already done it twice this season when we were under performing. Also won as many games as they have and they didnt even have to play the stormers or Crusaders. Lets face it, there is only one real contendor in Australia for the finals, just not sure if they’ll make it in yet.

  • Tim

    Reds to win without a bonus point and the Bulls to lose to the Lions to set up a Reds v Brumbies qalifying final in Canberra (which the Reds will win in a tight match).

  • feed_me

    Extremely unlikely, but there is a third scenario that sees the reds qualify – losing with a bonus point and relying on one of the bulls or sharks getting no comp points and the canes to not get two comp points.

  • redbull

    I thought the Reds were home when Lions beat the Sharks a few rounds ago. But then the Bulls let the Sharks romp all over them…bastards. They will be regretting that loss when they have to (most likely) travel to Christchurch instead of the other way round.

    I don’t know about suggestions of there being any complicity in the Republic. Would the Tahs or Force do the Reds or Brumbies any favours coming into finals time? Their rivalries are as fierce as those in Australia. Go the Cheetahs!

    • Pedro

      Mate are you kidding? You can only trust an yarpie rugby administrator as far as you can throw him… actually any yarpie full stop…

  • robbo

    I reckon that the Sharks losing or not getting a bonus point is a real chance. And I cannot see either the Cheetahs or the Lions playing dead when one or the other is going to be dumped next year by their fellow compatriots. So the Reds have a good chance – but will they play the Brumbies in the playoffs? Maybe not.

    If the Hurricanes beat the Chiefs and do not give them a bonus point then the Brumbies will go out on Saturday afternoon knowing that a bonus point win will guarantee then second place (the Chiefs have only a + 2 for and against buffer). And when the mighty Rebels (mt team) defy all odds and stuff the Stormers – Brumbies on top – and richly deserved despite what all the carping Reds fans say.

    A lot of this is improbable but none of it is impossible.

    • SW

      Mate, firstly I am a Brumbies fan.

      Secondly, as much as I would like the Brumbies to finish top of the table, it is delusional to think it is possible. There approximately zero chance the Stormers will lose to the Rebels in Durban.

      The Bulls will beat the Lions. The Sharks will beat the Cheetahs. The only questions are will the Sharks get a bonus point win? And can the Reds pull of a bonus point win against the Tahs?

      The rest of these possible outcomes are about as likely as Richie never cheating again.

      • ripper868

        Absolutely agree the Rebels are no chance in Durban. In cape town however they stand half a chance ;)

  • robbo

    I reckon that the Sharks losing or not getting a bonus point is a real chance. And I cannot see either the Cheetahs or the Lions playing dead when one or the other is going to be dumped next year by their fellow compatriots. So the Reds have a good chance – but will they play the Brumbies in the playoffs? Maybe not.

    If the Hurricanes beat the Chiefs and do not give them a bonus point then the Brumbies will go out on Saturday afternoon knowing that a bonus point win will guarantee then second place (the Chiefs have only a + 2 for and against buffer). And when the mighty Rebels (my team) defy all odds and stuff the Stormers – Brumbies on top – and richly deserved despite what all the carping Reds fans say.

    A lot of this is improbable but none of it is impossible.

    • Tim

      The first tie breaker this season is the number of wins a team has had so the Brumbies can’t overtake the Cheifs who already have 12 wins and are 5 points clear.

      The Brumbies can make it in to second place though if the Rebels can repeat their effort against the Crusaders and beat the Stormers without letting them get the BP.

      I’m a Reds fan and I’ll be happy to see the Brumbies in the finals. They’ve kept their nerve all year when we all thought they would stumble so well done to them. I just hope their final is against the Reds and not someone else.

  • MisplacedCanuck

    I think the brumbies route is how it will how play out. Blues to stomp the brumbies by 12, unfortunately.

  • Pete

    Maths, South Africans and the Waratahs – have there ever been three more boring ways to miss the finals? :p

    C’mon Reds!

  • Robson

    I think the Blues will do a boil over against the Brumbies and give the Reds a Warratahs obstructed run to the line.

  • Hooper for 12

    Most likely is the Sharks struggling for a bonus point to knock out the Reds, who have taken a 5 pointer against a one-dimensional Tahs earlier. Sadly I see the Sharks getting it, as the Cheetahs do their mates a favour late in the game once they realise that they cannot win.

    However I would not discount completely a surprise from the Force, even without Pocock, as a final thank you to Sharpie and Blake.

  • johnny-boy

    Great video. Nearly brought a tear to me I :).
    For most of the season the Reds have been playing exactly as McKenzie has been espousing lately. Only aiming to win and no more. It hasn’t been enough at times and the team has looked schackled. It’s time to break free and do what one senses they really want to do, which is have fun. Time to party like 2 0 1 1 now ! In the past the Reds have, dare I say it, often looked a little ‘scared’ of the Tahs. A lit of the country hicks versus the big city boy syndrome. Their recent wins over the Tahs should show the Reds that the only thing to fear, is themselves. It’s time for a little bit of country and a little bit of rock and roll !
    I’d like to see the Tahs do well …. next year :). But they have to hit a deep dark bottom first. Playing half well will only prolong the agony. Truly.

  • robbo

    Now if the Reds and Tahs could just produce a derby like the Hurricanes and Chiefs did last night – who cares who wins.

    All it needs is a lack of fear.

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