Review: Wallabies v. British & Irish Lions – Third Test

Shane Sullivan July 6, 2013 322

No GravatarWhat a difference a week makes! The Lions lost their captain and openside flanker Sam Warburton. Then Dropped Irish legend Brian O’Driscoll and replaced him with the giant Jamie Roberts. The Wallabies made one unforced change bringing in the legendary George Smith. While Liam Gill was the unlucky guy who made way for him. 370_DSC_7580_2013_07_06_3416

The Match

The Wallabies looked nervous from the kick off. Kane Douglas decided to leave the ball and forced Will Genia to attempt a very difficult take, which he spilled. From the resulting scrum referee Roman Poite awarded the Lions a free kick for an early engage. The Lions took a quick tap and after a dozen phases Alex Corbisiero crashed over for his first Test try. Leigh Halfpenny slotted the conversion and the tourists led 7-0. Moments later Joe Tomane was caught in a tackle not releasing and the Lions stretched their lead to 10-0.

The Lions dominated the Wallabies forwards winning penalty after penalty. Especially in the scrum. The Wallabies were able to kick one three-pointer but most of the traffic on the scoreboard, was from the Lions as they stretched their lead to 19-3. Along the way the Wallabies had Ben Alexander sinbinned for repeated infringements in the scrum and lost Israel Folau to what looked like a hamstring injury.

370_DSC_7592_2013_07_06_3428Just before half time the Wallabies were able to score as flyhalf James O’Connor stepped his way over the line in a piece of individual brilliance. Frankly it was the only time the Wallabies had looked like scoring. The back line has looked completely rudderless for the entire first half and the forwards were nowhere near parity. The Wallabies still had a  hope at half time with the scoreline at 10-19 but the Lions dressing room would have been quietly confident during the break.

The Australians had the better of the first few minutes of the second half. They kicked two penalties for ruck infringements in the first five minutes closing the gap to 16-19. Just when the Wallabies looked to be back in the match their scrum was penalised again. Then Leigh Halfpenny managed to get outside the Wallabies defence and raced into the 22. He then threw a nice inside pass to Jonny Sexton who had a clear run to the posts. Suddenly the score had stretched out to 16-29 and the Wallabies were struggling to stay in the match.

Leigh Halfpenny then topped his already exceptional match by again breaking the Wallabies line and popping another pretty pass to George North who had an uninterrupted 370_DSC_7513_2013_07_06_3349passage to the try line. He spoiled his perfect game by finally missing a kick but he was still easily my man of the match. The Lions had complete control of the game at this stage. And they proved it by drawing James O’Connor into no man’s land off the back of an attacking ruck. Conor Murray used the space O’Connor left to put Jaime Roberts through a massive hole. With a full head of steam inside the Wallabies 22 there was no stopping him. The scoreline climbed into the forties with the conversion and the lions had the game in the bag with more than 10 minutes to go.

The Lions really enjoyed the last ten minutes, even trying a 13 man lineout near the death. The Wallabies had no answer to their size and power for the first 70 minutes, and it didn’t change here. The 16-41 score was a fair reflection of the four tries to one flogging it was.Lions Try


The Game Changer

The kick off! The Wallabies struggled to keep up from the opening seconds and fell away completely in the second half. The Wallabies game plan seemed to be built on forward parity and they never came close to achieving this. This in turn put the lack of a backline General under the spot light and no one turned up to fill the position.

The G&GR MOTM

There is no question here for me. Leigh Halfpenny was barely out of position all night. Threw the last pass for two tries and kicked eight from nine. He is Green and Gold Rugby’s Man of the Match.

Wallaby watch

No one! No one stood out. No one covered themselves in glory. No one deserves a mention. Really! No one!


The Details

Crowd: 83,702

Score & Scorers

Wallabies: 16
Tries: James O’Connor
Conversions:  Leali’ifano 1
Penalties: Leali’ifano 3

 British & Irish Lions: 41
Tries: Alex Corbisiero, Jonny Sexton, George North, Jaime Roberts.
Conversions: Halfpenny 3
Penalties: Halfpenny 5

Cards & citings

Ben Alexander – Yellow

Discussion

  • mxyzptlk

    Commence complaining.

    • Muffy

      You know mate, you started off on this site quite well, but I feel you are degenerating into a bit of a troll…maybe you should dial down the righteousness for a bit

      • mxyzptlk

        Fuck’s sake, take it easy. No matter what side you’re pulling for, supporters of both sides come on here and unburden themselves of all their frustrations and citicisms and denunciations, and all I did here was acknowledge that with two simple words. With a smile. If two words got a reaction — two words written just after the half because no matter what, there was going to be loads of complaining — if two words that weren’t even aimed at anyone got that kind of reaction from you, I think you’ve got the self-righteousness backwards. This is hardly trolling.

    • Jeff

      I think we’re allowed to have an opinion. You could try to twist every opinion given on this site into a complaint or whine if you wanted to….but you know that. That’s why you’re here. Get a life!

      • mxyzptlk

        Who’s whining?

    • Who?

      Why didn’t the Lions play like that in the first game?! They should’ve done! I was expecting it! If they’d done so, I wouldn’t feel so awful now…
      Honestly, that was the performance I expected of the Lions throughout the series. They just forgot what they were capable of achieving, and obviously had a few key injuries along the way.

  • Dan

    See you soon link.

    • Jenkss

      I hope so. The sooner the better. Bring on McKenzie!

    • mxyzptlk

      The scuttlebutt is White’s up for the job, and Link’s being asked to sort out Melbourne.

      • Neutral

        White until the RWC would suit me. Two years only.

      • Jenkss

        I’d prefer not to listen to rumor coming from Eddie Jones over in Japan.

        White to stick it out at the Brumbies and McKenzie for Wallabies. Bring back an Australian with real pride in the jersey. White would do a good job but that same passion wouldn’t be there that I know McKenzie would bring.

        • mxyzptlk

          Is Jones the only source of that?

        • Jenkss

          He’s the only one I saw comments attributed to.

  • Mickeyb

    How good is this Welsh team! Great game.

    JOC had a good game but is a pop gun 10. Who’s directing our attack? Bring back Quade.

    • mxyzptlk

      Wales finally beats Australia, but they needed Ireland to help. Okay and England. And Richie Gray.

      • Sydney Tom

        They just needed Jamie Roberts and their front 5 to be on the paddock against us at the same time……
        No Jamie Roberts last summer, no front 5 in December.

    • Jenkss

      Goodbye Deans and JOC at 10. No width. No direction around the park (unless it came from Genia). The only time JOC looked remotely dangerous was when he played like an outside back.

    • blll

      JOC did fuck all.

  • Jimmy

    Deans – the most expensive coach to get rid of in our history. Another inept structural performance from our team and another historical loss to go with his tenure.

    Congrats to the Lions, played better, looked more efficient and made our guys look a bit amateurish at times.

    Good choice on the 6-2 bench split too Robbie – another genius decision.

  • jimbo

    the only consolation from this debacle is that Robbie Deans will be sacked. I prey

    • Swat

      I like your style, praying does sweet FA. Preying on Robbie Deans is a much more effective way of finally getting rid of him.

      • DameEdnasPossum

        Yep. He’ll be heading straight to Mascot before the no fly curfew tonight.

        The media and fans need to get medieval on Dingo’s arse.

        The prey should start praying.

        • Very Happy Reds Fan

          Perhaps we can provide him with a very small, leaky boat?

        • DameEdnasPossum

          And a casette player to listen to old Split Enz tunes along the way…though 6 months would be too long…

  • muppet

    ’76mins I’ve turned over to watch the AFL. And I hate AFL. That’s how dirty I feel.

  • Westo

    Just when you think our scrum was maturing it gets demolished.

  • RedsFanDan

    Disclaimer: I’ve never played or coached rugby, I didn’t go to private school and I hate red wine.

    Lessons we can learn:

    1. Hold on to the fucking ball.
    2. If you are gonna kick it better count. Territory or contestable.

    3. Don’t select players out of position for the biggest test series in 12 years.
    4. Don’t select players who have just done a stint in rehab and have 1-2 games under their belt for the biggest test series in 12 years.
    5. Don’t ignore the best players available for a given position.
    6. Hold on to the fucking ball.

    Thoughts?

    • Jenkss

      Couldn’t have said it much better myself.

      Pick on form. Not on some stupid sense of loyalty to players who are clearly out of position or out of form. I think Quade missing this series because of his past run ins with Deans is a complete joke. MMM and Kimlin have been superb for their teams in recent games and Deans brings in McCalman. I feel so sorry for those guys. They played the house down for their teams and got glossed over for no result.

      • RedsFanDan

        I think deans painted himself into a corner with Beale and especially Bieber, once selected he couldn’t swap them after the first test because they’d been in camp and any game plan, assuming there was one, was built around those two at 10.

        • Swat

          Sorry but this is deans problem, he could have swallowed his pride and realised o’connor is not an international 10, he could have easily changed him after game 1. Arrogance has been the trademark of his prolonged reign.

        • RedsFanDan

          An actual coach would be better to comment on this but I presume the idea of a training camp is to get everyone ‘used’ to the gameplay and style of their team mates. Your ten is pivotal to this. That’s why it was obvious from when the initial squad was announced that there was no room for Cooper or Toomua. Once he selected and trained with them he was stuck with them

        • first time long time

          He ignored ready made and tested combinations at 9 and 10 or 10 and 12 to try and manufacture test combinations in 3 weeks. We have all seen the result.

          Cooper or Tomua could have stepped in at any time and we would have been better off.

    • mxyzptlk

      Don’t forget “hold on to the fucking ball.”

      • RedsFanDan

        Sorry, yeah

        7. Hold on to the fucking ball.

    • Canuckruck

      I’ve played and coached rugby, i didn’t go to private school and I love red wine. But I agree.

      • Stin

        I went to a private school til year 11 then public til 12. I LOVE red wine. Ive played rugby. I’ve never coached rugby.

        I agree

    • Very Happy Reds Fan

      We all worship at the same altar except one, Cantabrian man….

    • waz_dog

      Love the summation and keeps me from going into an uncontrollable rage. Better stop writing now or I’m going to break something…

    • Robson

      Thoughts??? MY mind is a blank right now!

    • first time long time

      Maybe you should coach!

      • RedsFanDan

        Can someone make the call? I think it would be poor form for me to nominate m’self

  • Jenkss

    The only consolation we’ve got is that Robbie Deans cannot possibly be staying on after this. Completely out coached in every aspect. I don’t want to try and list the gambles he took but not a single one came off.

    Well played Lions, by far the better team tonight. Goodbye Deans.

    • http://landoftheunit.wordpress.com/ Sully

      I can see him continuing!

      • Ooaahh

        Tell me you are joking.

        • http://landoftheunit.wordpress.com/ Sully

          It’s not like they are into doing what the public want.

        • Mickeyb

          The question that should be levelled to Robbie in the review is “why do you think the ARU should retain your services”?

          Given in six season he’s secured 1 tri nations, no Bledisloe, no RWC, no Lion series win and has the lowest % w/l rate of any Wallaby coach with standout losses being against Ireland in the RWC, Samoa, and Scotland (x2).

          Have I missed anything?

        • Parker

          The only question he should be asked is “Are you taking your luggage now or would you like it shipped?’ But the spineless tonks at the ARU are more likely to indulge in the groveling that Mickeyb suggests.

        • Mickeyb

          Pull yourself together Parker.

          I’m saying Deans has to answer the case to his employers, the ARU, on his employment against a heavy weight of facts. Not passing random speculation to get rid of him driven by pure emotion on the night of a heavy loss to the Lions.

          The outcome on Robbie’s reveiw should be clear.

          Less emotion – use facts.

        • Parker

          Look in the Wallabies trophy cabinet for the last six years. The absence is your evidence. And if you need expert testimony look back over Bob Dwyer’s articles on this site. My point, that you missed is not why the ARU should be asking Robbie anything, rather they should be telling him that his inadequate services are no longer required. In a functional organization, senior management sets the standards and those on the payroll need to meet or exceed them.

      • Canuckruck

        You might be right. Not what the Wallabies need right now. Pulver….the time is now!

      • Parker

        I wouldn’t be at all surprised. He should have been fired umpteen times before this but the sh*theads at the ARU continued to sit on their thumbs.

  • muppet

    I had a ticket to the game and flights to Sydney but my spidey senses said “don’t go”. I didn’t. That’s the ONLY positive I take from tonight.

    • http://landoftheunit.wordpress.com/ Sully

      I was available to go!

    • DameEdnasPossum

      Ya muppet!

  • pants

    Yes the Lions deserved to win, but i hate these games where every single fkn scrum ends up as a penalty. It does my head in that rugby can be played and ref’d that way.

    • Canuckruck

      C’mon pants….decisively beaten at the scrum. Suck it up and learn from it I say….Best the Wallaby scrum has looked in a long time!

      Well done Lions and Wallabies!!

      • pants

        Yes we were beaten at the scrum, but i don’t think the balance is right. In that game, the Lions could knock on and know they’re 90% likely to get a penalty awarded to them as a result of that. That just doesn’t seem right to me.

        • Rob

          ‘Yes we were beaten at the scrum, but i don’t think the balance is right. In that game, the Lions could knock on and know they’re 90% likely to get a penalty awarded to them as a result of that. That doesn’t seem right to me’

          Strange post. It doesn’t seem right to you that one team can get points because they’re vastly superior to the opposition in a certain aspect of the game? It’s 100% Australia’s problem. It’s is like saying ‘their winger was better than ours. In that game they could pass the ball to their winger and they’re 90% likely to score because of it. That doesn’t seem right to me’. Australia lost the 2007 world cup game to England because of a weak scrum, 6 years later you’ve lost this Lions series for the same reason. What have you spent that 6 years doing?

          Also a deliberate knock on by the Lions would have been a penalty to Australia so no a team can’t just go around knocking the ball on when they’ve got a superior scrum.

        • Stin

          ”Its 100% Australia’s proble’….No it’s not! But, I agree with you, a bit!

        • Rob

          How is having a poor scrum anyone else’s problem? Again using the winger analogy, if a team consistently picked slow immobile wingers how are they not to blame if teams exploit it? Before the series had even begun people were saying the Lions would target the scrum, and had Gethin Jenkins been fit we’d have seen what happened in the 3rd test in the first 2 as well.

        • pants

          A dominant winger wouldn’t always result in a long arm penalty. A dominant lineout results in the dominant team just getting possession. A dominant scrum in this case, results in the team always getting a long arm penalty, even though they were the team that made the mistake (ie. the knock-on). The ref had made up his mind at 20 minutes and then only one team was getting pinged at scrum time from that point on.

        • Rob

          ‘A dominant winger wouldn’t always result in a long arm penalty.’

          It would do if the inferior winger resorted to illegal means to stop the other winger getting the advantage

      • mxyzptlk

        Did you see Dean Ryan’s analysis of the scrum? Informative. He went back to the Aus-Eng game and showed how Alexander was able to pull penalties off Vunipola by angling into the space between the loosehead and the hooker, and how that forced Vunipola’s hips out and almost always resulted in a penalty. Corbisiero kept his hips tight against the hooker’s hips, and that took away the space for Alexander to attack — completely changed the game.

      • Who?

        The Wallaby scrum looked much better back in 2008 when Foley was scrum coach, before Deans forced him from the setup. Since then, our scrum has deteriorated.
        No, I’m not saying that as a Foley fan.

    • the ardent b’stard

      Aus had their arse handed to them at scrum time, man up and learn the laws

      • AJ

        After clear dominance in the first half, the ref didn’t even bother looking in the second. I counted three scrums where the Lions props went to their knees, got back up, and still got awarded the penalty. It seems we’re back to the good-old days of Northern Hemisphere reffing based one reputation.

        • Sydney Tom

          Sadly for us, a well deserved reputation. Our scrum was obliterated.

        • AJ

          Not in the second half – Kepu actually did well in my opinion, By that stage it was too late though, both in terms of the scoreboard, and also the referee’s perception (which was the point I was making).

        • Sydney Tom

          By that stage Hibbard and Jones could be withdrawn, and then Corbisiero. The softening-up had been done. Youngs and Vunipola are worse than our props! Cole is good, but no Jones.

        • Who?

          Kepu came on after 25 minutes and made an immediate difference – against Corbisiero, Hibbard and Jones.

      • BJ

        Win lose or draw I don’t believe scrums should result in a penalty. A dominant scrum should be rewarded with possession. This is what happens in every other facet of rugby.

        • Bok fan

          Exactly. If the ball’s out of the scrum, why not just play on? Why does it have to be a penalty every time. The scrum is supposed to be just a way to get the ball into play again.

        • Rob

          Wrong. The scrum is supposed to be a contest for the ball, in exactly the same way that the line out is a contest for the ball. It would remain a contest if referees did their job and forced scrum halfs to put the ball in straight in the same way that they penalise hookers for not throwing the ball in straight. If the scrum was just a way to get the ball into play again then they’d just tap and go or have uncontested scrums (i,e. no pushing) the fact that they are pushing (and contesting) proves my point that scrums are a contest for the ball.

        • brumby runner

          The point is that for indiscretions at the lineout, except foul play, the sanction is a short arm free kick. So it should be for the scrum. Full arm penalties only for foul play.

        • Rob

          Totally agree. Foul play such as deliberately collapsing the scrum, not scrummaging straight..? Things we’ve seen from both teams throughout the series

        • BB

          “a contest for the ball” – exactly. Superior scrum, win the ball, play on! A good game’s a fast game – for the ticket buying spectators at least. If the scrum goes down due to illegal play, as opposed to inferior ability, and the ball doesn’t come out to play on, then a penalty is appropriate. If one team is able to dominate the other in the scrum then reward is a tight head – if they are good enough.

        • Rob

          I 100% agree. The scrum at the moment is a shambles and too much time is spent re-setting collapsed scrums. But if the Lions are so superior at the scrum and can keep the squeeze on and force Aus props into doing something illegal (e.g. standing up, not scrummaging straight) and get 3 points then why wouldn’t they do that?

          Re: for the ticket paying spectators. You have to accept that for the Lions players and management, who get one shot at this every 4 years and who haven’t won a series since 1997, they come second to winning.

        • Who?

          I thought Poite did alright for the first 20-odd minutes at the scrum. A bit too quick to award a free kick for early engagement at the first scrum, but I thought he got them mostly right. The only one I’d question was the one where Alexander was carded, but he’d made up his mind about our scrum by then. Where I was unhappy was that he didn’t give the new props the benefit of the doubt, and did give Corbisiero the benefit of the doubt when he hinged quite a few times causing resets (not penalties against Corbisiero, resets) through the middle 40.
          But to his credit, there was at least three occasions where I saw Poite put the whistle to his lips for a scrum penalty, but then let it play on.

        • mxyzptlk

          Poite did seem to be letting offsides slide a bit, on both sides.

        • Saulih

          “The scrum is supposed to be just a way to get the ball into play again.”

          Actually…no. That would be Mungo Ball. The scrum historically has been used, like the maul, to advance the ball – ie push-over tries. To not be able to defend at the scrum is a major failing by the Australians, and until we focus on building this area of the game we will be predictable and beatable.

          I agree with the ball out of the scrum, it needs to be called scrum over – no resets for the sake of a reset.

        • TBH

          Not true. Go back to the earliest footage of rugby and scrums form in about 5 seconds flat and are over in about 10 seconds. Scrums in those days occured at every breakdown. So a scrum was akin to a maul, and there were no specialist positions

        • Saulih

          Well actually, no. In the days before video the game was virtually a continual scrum. Much of the negative commentary about the game in the 1800′s was about how the game was marred by the constant scrummaging/mauling which was not interesting to the spectators – not much has changed!

          But that is beside the point, which is that the scrum is a valid method of attack – if a team choses to use it that way. I am not implying that the scrum should be used that way each time, but that they can and should be allowed to – particularly when the strength of the opposing team’s scrum is weak.

          It is for sure not just, “a way to get the ball back into play again.” That view is simply not correct.

        • AJ

          ELVs did just that, and it sped up the game immensely. Unfortunately, they detracted from the NH style of play, so those unions buried it. Hopefully the new scrum laws will sort things out!

    • Robson

      I understand your frustration pants, but the scrum in rugby (unlike league) is still a contest, so if you are losing the contest so embarrassingly and decisively as the Wallabies were last night you deserve to give up three points.

      • TBH

        I disagree. I you are getting killed in the lineout, you lose the ball. Should be the same in the scrum.

      • pants

        Dominated in the first 20 min of scrums, agreed, but from then on the Lions were able to engage in ‘dark arts’ and basically get away with whatever they wanted in the scrums safe in the knowledge that the Wallabies were already always going to be penalized for it. They knew the ref and played him extremely well. There were scrums in the 2nd half that where it was very unclear who offended, and in those cases the penalties went the lions way. Combine that with the cases where a lions knock-on caused the scrum in the first place, then you get a 50/50 penalty going the lions way, that’s where the game gets frustrating to watch. That was a massive advantage to the lions which they didn’t have in the 1st or 2nd tests. What was the difference here? A ref that bought his reputation for penalizing the hell out of the ‘weaker’ scrum team persistently. He didn’t let you guys down there. Other refs balance the game a bit differently and suddenly a blow out score becomes a much tighter game. Having said all that though, the Lions deserved to win. I don’t dispute that at all. They were by far the better team in all aspects of play. They even scored a decent tries too. But our team was massively disadvantaged by the send off and that probably told in the end when those gaps started appearing. Compare that to State of Origin where sending players off is so frowned upon that if you send 1 off, they’ll make sure they send 1 off from the other team too (or 2) to make sure no team gets a numerical advantage. I think the idea to keep the contest fair by having the same numbers of players on the field is a good one. The better team will still win.

  • Vinnie Gorham

    it takes the combination of 4 nations to beat the wallabies.
    O well… Thankyou Britain and Ireland for bringing in MILIIONS of tourist dollars. See you in 12 years

    • AALion

      Oh please. At least lose with some dignity.

      • Who?

        Gotta let him have SOME bright side, on what is a pretty ordinary night…

        So, Grand Slam? I’m not confident. :-( Maybe in a few months, if there’s a new coach.

        • mxyzptlk

          When do Pocock and Higgers get back?

    • mxyzptlk

      Finally — one Aussie that seems happy the Lions showed up.

    • mxyzptlk

      Don’t forget, Ireland also recently beat Australia, and they’re only one country. Scotland too. It’s not unheard of.

      But the paper-thin difference between the first two games made this a pretty tense 60 minutes or so — you gotta at least appreciate that.

    • pants

      Somoa beat us too. Lets not get ahead of ourselves. Robbie has made a habit of not winning any silverware of any value whatsoever.

    • DameEdnasPossum

      Vinnie old boy.

      We had our arses whipped fair and square by a better prepared, better performing team.

      No excuses. Have some pride fella.

    • The Slow Eater

      What a stupid comment. Did you not enjoy the series. Even though we lost, it was awesome to have the lions supporters here. They were just too good on the night.

  • muppet

    Now we won’t see a scrum law change for another generation!

    • http://landoftheunit.wordpress.com/ Sully

      yes we will see Scott allen’s latest post!

  • Vinnie Gorham

    anyone for an ANZACS vs Turkey in 2015?

    • Swat

      I’m thinking a SANZAR tour of Madagascar in 2016

      • mxyzptlk

        Make it Cyprus — they currently have a world record winning streak going.

        • Swat

          Shhhhh, the more tests they can extend that too the harder it will be for the ABs to ever get the record back.

    • DReido

      Not sure an Aussie would make the team.

      • Swat

        Genia and Pocock would be there.

        • Gaf

          McCaw would be there ahead of Pocock because he has this stunning ability to make the ref blind to his every infringement.

      • Ian

        At least the Aussies would show respect enough to play. Look at the history

  • Mickeyb

    Well done Lions. We were completely and utterly without answers.

    We deserved this beating for so many basic reasons that have all been written and spoken about for an eternity.

    Lets not turn away from this moment as from this day forth we will change:
    Farewell Robbie – your last season in gold.
    Ewen you will be received with open and willing arms.
    Surely Alexander’s last game in gold.
    George sorry we couldn’t send you off in the style you so richly deserve.
    Welcome a new 10 – to support Will in directing our attack – BBF Quade.
    To our team- you will be the back bone to build towards the 2015 RWC!

    Now we just need the coaching brains trust to make it happen……

  • sph45

    That was a disaster. Can’t believe how disappointed I am. We got owned.

  • muppet

    aw shiiiiit

  • DameEdnasPossum

    FAAAARRRRRRRKKKKKK ! ! !

    Well done Lions. Who would have thought…scoring tries. Well deserved victory.

    Thanks also for finally giving us the ammo to farewell Deans.

    Brink on Link. (And please not Saffa Jake).

    Aussie national team requires an Aussie coach.

    FFS Pulver – restore some pride. PLEASE.

  • NZ Revenge

    Bye bye Robbie You have no idea on a play maker. No attack. We suffered you lost. Japanese rugby awaits.

    • Gozza

      If oconner was in all back line positions he still would not pass

  • GB

    Congrats to the Lions supporters, your team was by far the better one tonight. A lot of things to think about as a WB fan why were not more competitive in that final 30 minutes after making a good comeback from a horrible start. I can only say that the Lions wanted it more, and played like it. They saved the best rugby for when it really counted and controlled the ball at will. See you in 12 years and thanks for the memories…

    • Who?

      I think the first 35 minutes really took it out of the Wallabies. They had no possession, were physically dominated at the scrum, and then had 10 minutes with 14 men. All that defense had to tell eventually.

      • JeremyBC

        Totally agree.

        Classic test performance by BIL – grinding the opposition down in the first half and exploiting the missed tackles and space that creates later in the game.

      • GB

        Thinking about it in the cold light of day I reckon the WBs brain trust went missing in that last 30. We seemed to have no plan and our attempts at kicking for field position lacked purpose, were poorly executed or diffused by Halfpenny.

  • Lee Enfield

    Only one word to describe that wallabies perfomance. Embarrassing.

    • Dave

      Embarrassing is the overarching word, no doubt. But here’s a few more: out-classed, out-enthused, out-muscled. It was amateurish, nervous and not indicative of a national side. The BIL’s second try was being set up for about half an hour and it still caught the WBs by surprise.
      Congrats Lions you deserved to win and as much as it pains me to say it, the Wallabies deserved to lose.

      So disappointed that the difference was so marked after what was such a close series.

  • wano

    The Lions brilliant,Deans game plan predictable. Some good individual wallaby performances. But Genia, Oconnor and Beale can’t do everything. Horwill is a great public speaker.

    • Sad

      Oconner and beal did far from everything. Mogg was much more effective when he came on, Beale was poor. Oconner was no better. Even Genia’s was slow when we needed quick ball. Time for more new faces I think.

      • Jon

        I think Genia was slow because his 10 wasn’t talking to him.

        • Ian Daley

          That’s because his 10 was at SBW’s place watching the game.

  • WW

    Robbie seems to be MIA. Maybe at Hungry Jacks with JOC….

  • Brad

    Hopefully we can put the whole Waratahs for Wallabies (with a splatering of rebels) to bed, get a decent coach and start picking players that can sniff out a win rather then crumble waratah like under pressure.

    • Bay35Pablo

      Piss off. If I see one more its too many waratahs in the WBs comments I am hunting down the perpetrator and castrating them for pure ignorance. Who the hell else are you picking? The problem was no decent 10, and no structure which has been the problem for 6 years. Alexander gets carded and you take off smith rather than mowen?! Deans’ selection and bench flaw in one example. Link, come on down …

      • The Other Dave

        Perhaps a better way of putting it is that the squad selected on merit rather than mere reputation – regardless of their province.

        P.S. I still hope we smash the Tahs.

      • Max Brammer

        MMM, Pyle, Kimlin, perhaps a few more brumbies & even force players. And that’s just the forwards. Tahs have a selection leg up no doubt

    • Pclifto

      Pathetic comment.

      Take a hike until you have something sensible to add, preferably backed with some analysis.

      • brad

        The only reason the waratahs have good running stats is because they include the team running back under their posts when they are scored against. aac and folou only waratahs worth considering. Leave their forwards at home.

        • Phil

          Since when did Alexander,Horwill,Moore,Smith and Mowen play for the Tahs?Even Hooper only became a Tah this year after winning selection as a Brumby.
          We need constructive comments after this debacle,not ridiculous interstate rivalry.

  • Ooaahh

    If robbie retains his position without even the dignity to resign. I give up. What a loser.

  • Brad

    Mogg is worth a gamble in future games. Beale and Oconnor to open their own clothing line and move on from Rugby altogether.

    • Max Brammer

      Finally a wallaby who can read play & kick appropriately. No more box kicks Genia.

    • Blinky Bill of Bellingen NSW

      When Mogg opened them up (just before being ankle tapped), I thought ‘yes…come on mate…prove what so many of us have thinking & saying’. He seemed right at home in Wallaby Gold to me. And it took Izzy going off to give him his chance? Unbelievable!

      • idiot savant

        I’m with you Bill. Mogg showed us a problem the whole enterprise (players / coaches) has when an Australian kicks the ball. We are the worst of the top sides of the world when the ball is in the air. Mogg knew what to do. With few exceptions most of the team dont appear to have a clue about what to do when the ball is kicked. Defensive structures, kick chase, field positioning etc etc. Backs coaching under Deans has been strange.

    • mxyzptlk

      Mogg has a dangerous boot, and is a lot quicker than he looks. He seems to go from zero to full speed about a third faster than everyone else on the field — explosion to full stride. It’s a shame it’s taken him this long to get the jersey.

      • Bcombes

        I think it’s only taken this long because of his known problems in defense.

  • WW

    Actually Beale and JOC did something alright! A damn lot of errors, missed tackles, kicks over the try line, kicks out from the side of the boot and so on…

    • Blinky Bill of Bellingen NSW

      I usually rate Kafe’s opinion. However his interview with JOC had me wondering. He said something that seemed to indicate the he thought JOC went okay at 10 and JOC jumped right on it.

      Surely Kafe can see that JOC didn’t have a good game as a 10. Or am I missing something?

      I’m not blaming James for the loss. But IMHO our backline just failed to fire at all. At best it spluttered a few times, backfired & then died in the ar#e.

  • Canuckruck

    As a non-Aussie but very interested observer and Wallabies fan….I can’t help think what a difference a flat playing, flat passing, expansive attacking 10 might have made. Not to be negative against JOC, he is a great rugby player, however…..We might never know why Robbie Deans never brought in QC….but I do believe Robbie Deans has just bet his Wallaby coaching career on keeping QC out of the Wallabies and lost……

    • bill

      be negative. according to Robbie the combinations were building. Guess not.

      • whatwouldberniedo?

        i presume ‘combinations’ are when someone runs a line for JOC to not pass to.

    • Stin

      Watch Lynagh in the 89 series. SOOOO flat! Awesome. Shame – it’s the Wallabies gift to rugby lore. Shame.

      • mxyzptlk

        I’d have to go back and look again, but how flat does Toomua play? He’s really physical, and if Jake White does end up taking over the reigns, it shouldn’t be long before Toomua is getting a look in.

    • RedAnt

      We had the majority of possession and territory up to about the 50-minute mark and not once in that time did I see a ball get to a winger or fullback in space. Actually, make that a ball get to anyone in space.

    • Robson

      We all know why Deans never brought in Quade, even though the reason Deans is saying he didn’t would have you believe that he thinks everyone still believes in the Tooth Fairy.

  • the ardent b’stard

    1, the line for apologies for Gats will be a long one
    2. scrums count scrums count scrums count
    3. smith was an emotional selection, and a failed one, SOB and TF had a field day.

    • Gaf

      Hang on a second. Number 3? Remember the guy got knocked out after about 5 minutes. You can’t seriously think that didn’t affect him.

      • the ardent b’stard

        so what the hell was he doing back out there!!

        • Gaf

          I’m not saying he should’ve been there. But you’re saying he was an emotional selection and he sucked. He was far from an emotional selection. He’s the best 7 running around right now.

        • Richard

          George Smith was a huge step in the wrong direction. He always was. Test open side flanker ain’t a position for a guy with no football for 2 months. Poor thinking that backfired – badly.

        • Gaf

          No football for 2 months? Not quite 2 months bud.
          In all seriousness though, who would you have had? Hooper’s an awesome little player, but lacks the size. Gill’s great too, but doesn’t have the experience that would’ve been nice on an occasion like this. Unfortunately, Smith copped a pretty big knock.

          Shit happens.

        • Jeff

          I thought he actually played well.

        • Gaf

          I don’t think he played poorly, by any stretch. I just don’t think he was at his freakish best. That’s all.

    • Who?

      Still didn’t see anything from Davies to justify him being there over BOD… But hey, that’s only one decision. The rest of them he clearly got right.

      • mxyzptlk

        One thing in Davies’ favor for this game: Good left boot. He used that to good effect two or three times.

        And he just looks like he could be your babysitter. After every interview he gives, I feel like the reporter should be giving him 20 dollars and a lift home.

        • Who?

          Yeah, he did roost a few good ones off his left boot. But it’s not like the Lions are short of kickers (even if they’re all right footed). But kicking isn’t my first, second or even third requirement in a 13.

          How plummy’s his accent? I hadn’t heard him speak before tonight. If I were to meet him in the street, I’d never pick him as Welsh…

        • Sydney Tom

          Take a look at his involvement in the (I think) Sexton try. It wasn’t just that left boot and his understanding with Roberts.

        • Who?

          Saw BOD run the same line in the same play in the tour matches. He didn’t create the break, he was just a player catching, drawing and passing in a play, just as BOD would have been in the situation. It wasn’t anything more than what I’d expect from a Test 13.

        • mxyzptlk

          How plummy’s his accent? I hadn’t heard him speak before tonight.

          His accent’s not too harsh, but man does he have a low voice. It’s almost shocking. He has the face of an 14 year old, and the voice of a lounge singer.

        • Who?

          Plummy as in he sounds like he’s spent a lot of time in posh English schools, not in the valleys. He might be ‘Davies’, but he’s English-born.

  • stillatragic

    Well done Lions.
    Feel for the Wallabies. Great effort but out played and out coached. Where do you start? Jesse Mogg on the field because favoured Folau injured, and didn’t Mogg play well. Hope he has a long future now we’ve seen what he can do.
    O’Connor again did what any half way decent 10 at club level would do. Yes a bit of individual brilliance but not good enough to direct a back line.
    And again, what was the game plan? To give possession to the Lions? Well it worked.
    Now let’s see if the ARU listens to the stake-holders, the fans, and sorts out the coaching. It has to be time for a fresh approach.

  • Patrick

    Great play by the Lions.

  • Gaf

    Well Pulver, it’s now or never if you want to save Australian rugby.

  • GB

    Relax, it’s all good…just part of Dingo’s master plan to lull the ABs into an ambush on Aug 17…when we will unleash our narrow attack, average scrum & ordinary 10 in all their predictable fury upon them. Bet they’re losing sleep already.

    • WW

      If JOC plays the ABs will run right thru him! At least they don’t know which way Quade will run because he can kick and pass to the.right and.left!

      • GB

        Yeah depending on what happens with the coach will affect the 10 position. If Deans stays we will see more of JOC. Toomua if White comes in, or probably QC if it’s Link.

  • Spectator

    Well played the Lions, deserved victory.
    Gatland got his selections right, i was worried about that, best Lion’s performance in the Tests.

    The Wallabies did very well to get themselves back in the hunt with momentum early second half, the try by O’Connor was awesome. The Wallabies had some very unlucky calls go against them that swung the momentum, but you make your own luck to some extent. The steal in the maul area start of second half that relieved Lion’s of goal line pressure after sustained pressure i thought , bit of an off-side, & the try was probably marginally forward also.

    Wallaby backs played well but didn’t have the all important ‘click’ in backline to the degree which the Lions did this game. The game didn’t go Smith’s way and would have been better with Hooper perhaps as it turned out. The Lion’s had a decent scrum advantage.

    Mogg gave the team an bit of a missing tactical element at fullback when on, although i thought that play between O’Connor and Beale was superb. I think a Beale & O’Connor mid pairing with Mogg at fullback has alot of potential. The Lion’s targetted the Wallabies with their kicking game which was abit of a concern from Test 2 & they gained in gameplay from that in Test 3 again. The Wallaby back’s were good individually but lacked the ‘click’. An option of Mogg doing the tactical kicking would have been beneficial rather than the uncertainty in that area as related to Genia, O’Connor, Beale. Genia perhaps overplayed his hand here abit, as from halfback, it’s not really the place to drive back the territory for a team

    The soft try was a combination of confusion in the inner mid channel, not helped by lack of a flanker presence i thought – but that was the straw that did it. I wasn’t happy not taking the points on offer early first half, as points pressure quickly was a hinderance to the Wallaby game early on and that didn’t change.

    In the end, it was the Lion’s set piece forward platform that bettered the Wallabies the most all up, which made errors in other parts of Wallaby game compounded. Pretty damm good rugby series until the last 20 mins. Halfpenny is a great player, so impressive with the boot, Sexton was very influential for the Lions also.

    Pity the Lion’s can’t be in the Rugby Championship!

    • Spectator

      People will carp about mistakes, but i thought Beale was the most consistent dangerman to the Lion’s line all series & in this way, had another good game.

  • Pivo

    Great series and great victory by the Lions. We should take nothing away from their performance tonight, it was amazing.

    On the Deans issue, it would be a farce to see him coach another game for the wallabies. He has had a multitude of poor selection across his 6 years culminating in a lost BIL series possibly purely on his selection errors.

    I hope that the ARU move quickly and smartly to secure a great Australian born and bred coach. White has done great things with the Brumbies in his two seasons and has a great record being a world cup winning coach but there are two reasons he should not be wallabies coach.

    1- he is not australian

    2- his team also plays boring, predictable (mind you extremely effective) rugby

    On the other hand you have Link who also has done great things at the Reds, taking them from cellar dwellers to super rugby champions, he also has a pretty good C.V but most importantly he is Australian and played for the wallabies and I think the passion and parochialism that will bring to his coaching of the national side should not be underestimated.

    • Jenkss

      Could not agree more on the coaching comments there Mickeyb. Well put mate.

    • Neutral

      The most important thing for the Wallabies is to start winning again. The Brumbies aren’t playing boring rugby under JW and there’s no reason to believe the Wallabies would either. I have been a huge fan of McKenzie but look at their records. Jake White is exactly the type of coach we need.

      The mistake with Deans was not picking a Kiwi, it was picking an idiot savant.

      • Muz

        I disagree. Deans is not inherently a bad coach. Need I point out his record prior to joining the Wallabies? (He has, however, been making some very bad decisions of late: starting mainly at the WC and getting worse since then). The major mistake in hiring Deans was, as Pivo mentioned, that he is not Australian. He does not understand the Australian rugby ethos.

        As for Jake White, I would not go so far as to say the Brumbies play boring rugby – but it sure ain’t that exciting. The 2007 Boks for me will remain the most uninspiring team to ever with the WC. I for one would rather the Wallabies lose then win a WC like that. We do not need another coach with a “winning is everything” mentality and forget about our rich heritage as rugby innovators and risk takers. Ewen is clearly the right man for the job.

      • idiot savant

        I didnt realise i was coaching the wallabies. Was there that much hash in the biscuits? The mistake was picking a Kiwi back. What can they teach us? Please pick Kiwi forward coaches and send them to all our schools. That will make a difference.

        Our forwards have a real future. But Deans back coaching has delivered nothing.

    • mxyzptlk

      When Horwill kept calling to kick to touch on the penalties in the first half, it seemed familiar — didn’t the Reds do that quite a bit early in the Super Rugby season? It’s gutsy, it’s fun to watch, requires supreme confidence in your lineout, but is that advisable at test level?

      • whiggety

        It’s not advisable at any level unless you don’t have anyone who can kick goals.

        3 points every time is a no brainer. 4 times they took this option in the first half, gaining 7 points, and giving away 12.

    • Brumbiejake

      I hope link gets the job and white stays with the Brums for the rest of his contract. Not because I don’t think that he should coach the wallabies, but because, as someone pointed out in the forums, fans in oz have a habit of crucifying coaches who do not a) produce results immediately … Link is already being touted at the saviour of oz rugby … and b) who do not produce game plans the public approve of with players the public favour. If white got the job he would immediately become the most hated man in oz! Keep him in canberra where he is appreciated.
      Oh, for boring rugby, the Brums have the 3rd most tries in the comp, only 3 behind the chiefs and 11 ahead of the reds.

  • Jeff

    Well done Lions. Good win tonight. Your scrum was just too good for us. We were simply out-coached. You’ve put a lot of time and money into it so go and enjoy the celebration. I certainly would. The Lions fans have been rabid and I mean that in a good way. The BILs owe a lot to their fans!

    To the Aussie ruggers and fans, I wouldn’t get too down about it. We were playing the best team of 4 rugby playing nations combined and we could have had it after the second but for a slipped kick. Couldof/wouldof/shouldof is not good enough though and we were outplayed tonight. One positive I guess is that Robbie Deans will be gone…hopefully by Monday and I guess Quade is laughing his head off.

    Best players: Alun Wyn Jones had a great tournament as did Hairy Jones. Johnny Sexton also played well as did Halfpenny – mostly for his kicking and positional play. He’s everywhere the Aussies kick to. His running is almost not existent though as he’ll kick before he even sizes up what’s coming at him sometimes and rarely shows attacking intent. Then he runs it twice and bloody sets up two tries (scored one). Genia and Mowen were standouts for the Aussies. Izzy had a good series as did Christian. George Smith is still a legend.

    Thought Kane Douglas went missing tonight and Horwill was pretty quite – certainly not the inspirational captain’s knock I was expecting. Hard to come back from 7 v 0 down from the get go and we were always chasing our tails. That was just a shocking and inexcusable stuff up from the kickoff.
    Really shocked that the Lions scored 4 tries. Just didn’t think they had it in them. In that first half I was thinking BIL got nothin’! 27 phases against 14 men and they have a shot at drop-goal. Showed a lack of attacking intent all series. Our backs were better than their’s all series. Roberts did nothing tonight (yeah, he scored a try but that was it). Unfortunately we couldn’ finish the attacking intent with 5 points which says something about the excellent Lions defense. O’Connor is a good player but not a 10 as we all know…except Robbie. Nice try though!

    The obvious weakness for Australia and where we lost the test is in the scrum which is going to bring me to a whine (so Brits you can stop reading now). Firstly, is Ben Alexander really that weak that he gets worked over every scrum? Now I know we haven’t had a good scrum since I don’t remember when but I thought we were starting to gain parity. What the heck happened?
    Anyway, almost forgot my whine. Does Ben Alexander really deserve a yellow card? Was it dangerous? Certainly not intentionally? Was he trying to get an unfair advantage by cheating? I don’t think so. No more than anyone else in the dark arts. So why should he get penalized for being weaker. Someone must be stronger and someone must be weaker. I think a yellow card is just too harsh in that situation and I mean for enjoyment’s sake, and fairness to the other 14 players (I’ve thought this for a long time so it’s not really sour grapes, OK gentlemen). If Genia is better than Phillips, Phillips doesn’t get a yellow card! The scrum is an important part of the game but half the players aren’t even in it. Is it not having too much of an importance in the game. I mean, think about it. The BIL could have purposefully knocked on the ball every time they got into our half and got a penalty from a scrum and won 40 odd to nil with Dead-eye Dick kicking, without even scoring a try or trying to play rugby,
    Unfortunately too many in the North love this type of game so it’s not gonna change soon. I love the game and have played it for 30 years but I understand why most Aussies prefer League – the scrums in union have too much of a bearing on the game as opposed to all the other facets. If you have a better scrum you’re going to win most games if you also have a good kicker. Let’s face it, half the time you (the fan…and probably the ref) has no idea why one team got the penalty and the other team didn’t.

    One last thing, why can’t the Aussies ever successfully roll a maul from a lineout. Robbie didn’t drop the balls or fail to play to the game plan (if there was one) but he is certainly responsible for coaching the players to be better and picking the best in their position and he has not done that in my book. Time to go. Thanks for your time and services.
    Sorry for the long post. I had to let off steam.

    • Big Ted

      To the Aussie Ruggers and fans, I wouldn’t get too down about it….

      Let me put this out there. To many of the Aussie Ruggers and Fans, if you can be called that:
      You fucking sellouts! To all those who were leaving with 15 minutes to go, never come and support the wallabies again. Regardless of the result, the 15 men representing you deserve better than fair weather friends that piss off when the chips are down. I’ve never been more embarrassed as a Wallaby supporter than being at the game tonight and hearing the CHEERIO chant the lions were singing.
      I can guarantee that the LIONS chant would have continued up till the 80th minute if the shoe had been on the the foot. May I congratulate the Lions supporters for there vocal, incessant support of their team throughout the series. The wallabies would have outnumbered the lions supporters tonight 2-1 and there was not a whisper from anyone in Gold.
      To all you white collar nuffies who rock up because you think that being in a corporate box at an international rugby match entitles you to some sort of social or moral reward…stay at home and watch the game on your 3D LCD TV’s and leave the cheering to those of us who actually give a damn.

      So much of the talk on this website is devoted to talk about the game, the selections, the coaches etc. etc. when I believe we should be asking real questions about what direction Rugby in Australia is heading in. We could do a lot worse than inject some blue collar passion and support into it… I could go on for hours, but I won’t because I’m lost for words.

      Congratulations to the Lions on their victory, as a Wallaby supporter I am genuinely happy to see the team with true die hard supporters get the win. See you again in 12 years boys

      • mxyzptlk

        Were they trying to yell CHEERIO over Swing Low? Because I’m no fan of Swing Low, but the Aussie fans started chanting or singing something during Swing Low, and all together it actually sounded kind of cool on TV.

      • Georgie
      • Ralph

        Cheerio was a song for robbie. Not the fans. He says in hope.

      • pants

        Plasma’s are still better for watching sport than LCDs. Just saying.

      • Chris

        I was sitting with a metric southland of Lions fans. To see them singing Cheerio to the Wallabies fans leaving was more embarrassing than the team’s performance.

      • Barry

        Ted, I sort of understand what you are saying however I put it to you that a lot of the Aussie fans left early because they didn’t want to be exposed to the aggressive and personal abuse that was going to be dished out to us after the game. The bus trip to the game with a mob of drunk Poms was bad enough without copping it on the way home too.
        It is not just the Poms nor all of the Poms. It is getting to the stage where you can’t go to international Rugby and support your team without having drunk idiots in your face. The World Cup in NZ was just plain scary. The stuff in the streets and transport was relentless and what my wife copped at the Semi-final because she was wearing wallaby gear was really ugly.
        It happens in Australia too. I don’t know how many older league fans I know who now follow the game on TV because going to the games is really unpleasant.
        The problem is the timing of the games. The idiots are pissed before they get there. I appreciate the TV money argument. I guess it comes down to to whether the game wants the fans to come or not. I didn’t see a lot of kids at either the Sydney or Melbourne games which is sad.

        • Big Ted

          Barry, I know what you mean. I had a friend in NZ who was physically abused in the gents in a NZ pub after the semi final, which we lost. Would hate to think what would have happened to wallaby supporters in NZ if we won!
          From what I have seen over the past 3 weeks, I will take gloating British and Irish fans over many of the All Black fans any day.

          I think the thing that gets me going the most is the passivity of the average Australian Rugby supporter. I had an Irish guy say to me after the game last night “it’s just not in an Australians nature to scream support at the Rugby”; and I thought what a load of shit. The landscape of Australian Rugby has just changed dramatically over the past 10-15 years to a point where there doesn’t seem to be any real loyalty to the “Brand” of Australian rugby – to use a Bieberism!

        • Big Ted

          What’s more, I think the abuse, be it verbal or physical, associated with today’s sport is a reflection on society in general. Take the frequency of King Hits in the Cross these days. Just seems to be accepted that if you are around drunk people at certain hours there is a chance you might cop a punch in the head. Add a little bit of friendly banter to that cocktail and things can get pear shaped rapidly

    • mxyzptlk

      I don’t know if this will help with the scrum point, and I’m only talking off my head — I’m no prop — but Dean Ryan did an interesting break-down of the Australian scrum comparing the scrums from these BIL tests to the last AUS-ENG test. In overhead shots, he showed how Alexander angles in and tries to attack the space between the loosehead and the hooker. Mako Vunipola always left some space there, Alexander attacked it, and that resulted in Vunipola swinging his hips out, falling off the scrum, and getting a penalty. Corbisiero never did that; he kept his hips tight against the hooker’s hips, taking away the space Alexander attacked.

      Again, I’m not even a novice, but it seemed like Alexander was getting pinged in this game after he’d try to angle into that space. I’m guessing he didn’t get pinged before because he managed to draw Vunipola into a penalty before he got caught angling, but he just couldn’t pull that off this time because Corbisiero took that space away.

      Don’t listen to me; ask Scott Allen.

  • MightyMoth

    Hopefully after all of this Robbie gets boned and the GaGR team can finally stop having to emulate Deans thinking on how the teams will be picked and played. As I’ve said before it must be a dark place to go filled with riddles and stupidity. At least we know with a coach like Link selections will be made on position form, and talent, and he won’t try and coach the backline all by himself (shuffling the ball all the way across field is not brilliant back line play Robbie!).

  • Chris

    Gee I’m gutted – Matt and Scott we need a podcast, what now? Series deserved a better finish. ultimately I recognise the lions are critical to the strength of rugby, but I hate to see the wallabies embarrassed.

    • http://landoftheunit.wordpress.com/ Sully

      Matt will be in no position to podcast but if he did I’m sure it would be hilarious. Actually he might do a quick one from the ground.

  • muppet

    This may be a first for the internet but I have no, repeat NO, idea what the answer is [sigh]

  • Richard

    The hypocrisy here is stunning. If the Wallabies had won this game by 25 points you all would have labelled Deans as a genius to orchestrate such a result. Australian rugby has been defrauded now for 3 seasons by 3 clowns named Cooper, O’Connor and Beale (plus fools such as Ioane, Palau and others). Too many bought into all their supposed upside and never fully understood the damage they have caused. The Wallabies were mentally and physically weak tonight. They were exposed in the same manner as the RWC semi final in Auckland when the All Blacks similarly smashed them in an equally “cometh the hour – cometh the man” scenario. Deans will deservedly get fired but let’s not for a moment think it was coaching that let the Wallabies down. Harden up with attitude, toughness, commitment and courage. Then judge success and pride in being a Wallaby.

    • muppet

      It felt exactly like that semi-final. From the kick off.

    • Ralph

      Wake up numbnuts. We’ve been campaigning for robbie to be dropped since 2011. Tonight is just another reason to despise him.

      • Very Happy Reds Fan

        Just goes to show the Crusaders were a team of champions rather than a champion team with that nuffy in charge

      • Richard

        We may have all been campaigning to get Robbie dropped since 2011 In the same way mate we were all celebrating getting him in 2007 when we did. Be consistent in your thinking.

        • Who?

          I’ve been wanting him gone since late 2009…

    • Gaf

      You are far from right here. I have been saying for a very long time now that Deans must go. Even after we won last week, I made it clear that I still though Deans was a terrible coach. And I wouldn’t be the only one with this opinion.
      I do agree in saying that players such as Cooper, JOC, Beale, Ioane, Palu, etc. (the list certainly goes) have let us down. But remember, Deans selected these fellas. Accountability, Spectator, accountability. It comes back to Deans as the coach.

      Robbie Deans must go.

    • Parker

      Au contraire. If the Wallabies had won (or even not played as poorly as they did tonight) the commenters on this site would have said that it was despite Deans, the same as we’ve been saying for six friggin years!!!

    • Patrick

      You are kidding aren’t you?

    • pants

      You’re completely wrong. Every aussie support has wanted Deans gone for YEARS. I rewatched game 1 the other night and watched McCabe. He was absolute shite and should never have been on the paddock. The only reason he was there was because he is one of Dean’s favourites despite the fact nobody else can fathom what skills he can bring. Exactly the same thing happened last night with Ben McCalman getting selected and put on the field. I mean FFS….nobody on this site, not even once, has mentioned McCalman as a potential wallaby for this year…and yet there he is, making no impact on the field.

  • Very Happy Reds Fan

    What is that laughing I hear? It’s Graham Henry……

    • Pclifto

      We spanked Graham’s Lions in 2001. Why would he be laughing now? Or more importantly, why would we care?

      • slippingaway1

        Because he is a typical Kiwi idiot with an insecurity complex against Australia.

        • JeremyBC

          go easy on Sir henry mate.

          Fark when people can just start abusing a coach (whose achieved grand slams, super rugby titles, six nations title(s?), rugby championships, a lions tour, and a RWC) as an idiot then there’s something wrong with the anonymity of these sites.

        • Robson

          Typical Kiwis are not all idiots. In fact there is nothing typical about any nationality or ethnicity that is idiotic.

  • Pasty Pom

    Well done the Lions. Cant say I am anything less than happy, however, apart from the last 30 where it did admittedly turn a bit ugly I thought you might ‘find a way’ and pull it out of the bag. Aus made a few mistakes, but so did the Lions and that 10 mins after half time was a ‘mare. Great belief to turn it back around. You have at least uncovered some new talent, Mowen,Mogg, Felau, a 1,3 and 10 and you will be trouble for most sides I think.

    I know you boys dont believe in taking the points but you must have had 15 or so points on offer from pens, might have been a different game?

    Was really worried about Smith and a wee bit sad (not that much) that it didnt work out, not the way for him to finish. That said he probably wont know the game has been and gone yet, tough lad to come back on with legs wobbling like that!!!!

    Thanks G&G see you in 12 years

    • muppet

      Enjoy the moment. Well played, sir.

  • Jivin

    Spectacular choke. Everything I’ve come to expect from the wallabies and more. Big match temperament of a tank in Tiananmen Square.

    No more Deans, no more Alexander at tight head, and please get well soon David Pocock.

    • The Other Dave

      We have an embarassment of riches at 7, why the hell we needed to pull Smith out retirement, especially after Gill’s last match, is beyond me.

      • beaver90

        the worst part of that was he dropped gill for mccalman. how can that possibly be justified, gill fully deserved to remain in the team

  • Neutral

    A fitting end for Deans.

  • ElCid

    Fair play to the guys being gracious in defeat………and this only deserves equal acknowledgment in victory. Well played Oz……your team made it a hum-dinger !!
    The difference between this game and the last 2 is that the Lions decided to play…..they finally went for it. Their forwards got dominance leading to good ball for the backs to attack. Much as I hate to eat humble pie…..but Gat’s got his selection and tactics right. Oz can learn much from this game….the scrum stabilised once Robinson was replaced……JOC is NOT an out-half……….you need a general (and that’s not QC)…keep looking at your Super 15 Teams and find one soon.
    Look forward to seeing you up North next Autumn…..those games could be great…..especially against Wales and Ireland……..can’t wait.
    On behalf of the Lions Fans……..thank you for your fabulous hospitality !!!!

    • Stin

      Not sure we were gracious enough! Beale and OConnor ‘looked like’ they walked away from the presentation.

    • MightyMoth

      And how often does Quade need to show he controls and manipulates a game to gain this recognition?

      • Richard

        I think the problem for Quade Cooper is that the leading international sides worked out 2 years ago how to nullify his effectiveness and expose his weaknesses. The AB’s laid out the model in the RWC semi final in 2011 and it has been copied since. Until he can properly display an ability to overcome these challenges then he risks beng one of those players good at S15 level, but ineffective one level higher in the heat of test rugby. Anyone want to add Christian Leali’ifano, Ben Tumane, Kane Douglas, Wycliff Palu to that list?

        • Stop pointless kicking

          Who the hell is Ben Tumane???

          It’s hard to be effective when you are hardly receiving the ball in attack. Watch again, CL’s defencive effort was huge last night, but he just didn’t get many opportunities in attack. Where would we have been in game 2 without him?

          There were many players last night that were ineffective but I don’t believe Christian Leali’ifano was one of them.

        • BB

          Where would we have been in game 1 with him??

    • Chris

      On behalf of Wallabies fans, thanks for being good winners and for showing us what team spirit is in the crowd. I’ve never been to a game with the atmosphere I experienced last night.

  • old laurentian

    I would take nothing away from a comprehensive Lions victory, they were superior across the park tonight, but I think the Wallabies played their ‘final’ last week, much as the French did when they beat the ABs in their home RWC in 2007. As far as the new coach discussion goes, I don’t see anyone with the ability to coach a side into a variety of game plans as Link has shown he can do. Jake is a great coach, but like Robbie has a very set style of play, and we finish up playing opponents at their own game and to their own strengths far too often.

  • Chunderstruck

    I watched this in a pakced pub in England wearing my Wallabies jersey, pretty sure I was the only Aussie in the whole place. I need to vent: fuck you wallabies for making me endure that, fuck you for rolling over and getting raped like a pack of bitches. You disgraced the jersey, the pub crowd went from cheering to laughing. George who?

    • sph45

      No one got raped. There are other ways to vent. Settle it down a bit.

      • Chunderstruck

        you weren’t there man, you don’t know what it’s like in nam!

        • Pclifto

          Yeah but at the end of the day, they’re all secretly dreaming of leaving their economically stunted, socially wrecked, insignificant little has-been country where the sun shines for 4 hours a day and crisps and lager are haute cuisine… for a little piece of paradise called Oz.

          Let ‘em enjoy it for now… god knows they need something to keep them from suicide… or emigration…

        • AALion

          Grow up.

        • AALion

          If you were that satisfied with your life/country/’paradise’ you wouldn’t be posting pathetic statements like that – largely untrue or grossly exaggerated. Anyway, at least it’s fun to know there are some really bitter Aussies still out there – all the acceptance and congratulations on this page was starting to warp my sense of reality.

        • whinging_pom

          Actually the sun was shining today here in the UK and will be tomorrow.

      • Ralph

        Piss off pc

        • sph45

          Hmmm. I’m being pc because I don’t think losing a football game should be equated with being raped?

          Why don’t you just fuck off. At least Chunderstruck got it and replied with some humour, which is clearly more than you are capable of.

  • Nothing if not critical

    well, that was unexpected. lions took their chances early and created a commanding lead that kept the aussies chasing the game. but instead of relying on halfpenny’s boot in second half, they took it to the aussies and our backline crumbled.

    well played, lions. had a game plan and executed well.

    genia looked out of sorts from the first kick off (didn’t seem to trust himself under the highball after that).

    beale and joc seem to have no idea on how to kick for territory or to generate pressure. also glory boys who try to do it all themselves. weakest links in my mind.

    the aussie scrum? a farce. but can you really give a short arm penalty on the first scrum of the game? after that poite was quick to penalise the aussie scrum. but i noticed in the second half when wales (sorry, the lions) pulled the scrum down he ordered a reset. the point? perception is everything.

    worst aspect for me was watching the aussie backs cave in. to let three tries in like that – it was shameful. definitely some issues with the wallabies culture. you wouldn’t see the all blacks roll over like that.

    and one last word on the aussie media – what a bunch of sheep. everyone of you called Smith’s inclusion in the side a Master Stroke. Why? he hadn’t played for over 6 weeks. and his intro into the team pushed out one of the few players to actually make a difference in the team last week – Gill. and what was his impact to the game – zero. not great runs, no steals, no impressive links with the back-line.

    • Parker

      Glory boy Beale? Who drew two defenders and put Mogg through the gap for one of the best Wallabies runs of the game?

      • MightyMoth

        In all fairness Mogg created that by good support running from deep. If you watch it again you can see that Mogg holds back to cover and/or clean out. Beale did well to pop the pass when going to ground.

      • Nothing if not critical

        Good point. He passed the ball once in the series. Should have tried it a few more times

    • rotary hoe

      you obvioulsy never played 7. hard to get into a game when 5 blokes in front of you are getting smashed. young Gill would have been equally anonymous..

    • Cutter

      It is utter nonsense to point the finger at Smith. A dominated scrum will almost invariably lead to a defeated tight five. The other ten players are then left to limit the extent of the loss. Smith played well.

      • Nothing if not critical

        not pointing fingers at smith, but the media that hailed him as a saviour. and your point doesn’t explain the fact that smith didn’t make a single steal at the breakdown.

  • Bay35Pablo

    And by the way, lions were the better side, but by god didn’t poite have a shocker. Bad calls both ways but made it hard for us. Some of the scrum penalties against us made no sense when we had the feed. Had me wishing for Joubert again let alone pollock. The fact the ref can make such a difference to the game, and referee in such different ways to such effect, shows part of the problem with the modern game and rules. But it’s all OK IRB. You go and cite horwill, regard the ELVs as a southern conspiracy (because we aren’t already usually beating NH teams already) and go hit the buffet again …

    • ben

      Of course it was the ref. 41 points worth of the ref. I knew he would get the blame. Get real. The aus scrum was like a french army tank : 1 gear forward 3 reverse. Dont blame the ref for that.

      • Sydney Tom

        I am just glad the Lions selected their weakest scrum lock (Parling). It would probably have been worse with Gray or Evans.

  • Duckman

    Can someone please explain to JOC that there is no disgrace in being a world class outside back? Imagine if he’d been in Tomane’s spot with a genuine 10 inside. Also, with only 2 backs reserves, why pick a specialist 9 rather than a versatile player to cover multiple positions (someone in the mould of AAC)? North and Halfpenny seem to do quite well without the coveted ‘playmaker’ tag.

    • Blinky Bill of Bellingen NSW

      Well said Duckman. I’ve never understood just why it is that so many of our players want to play 10. And regardless why the coach isn’t seeing it for what it is. JOC Is NO NUMBER 10…especially at this level. Neither is Beale.

      IMHO a good 10 needs to be thinking about the team and others before themselves. Do either of these two?

      As you rightly say JOC on the wing with a real 10 running the show and you never know, good things could have happened.

  • MJ

    Stop the blood Clut crying bitches, everybody must dead! Was it just me or did tamane let in the last 3 tries?

    • pants

      I thought while watching at the time Tomane had a bad game. Was going to re watch it though before confirming that thought.

  • Donk

    Tight head prop has become the most important position on the field in test rugby, can’t help but think if the wallabies had a good tight head they would have won the series

  • Rex Munday

    Absolute disgrace and utterly deserved. I hope some people learn a lesson but I doubt they will.

    Gillard, Arthur & Deans in 2 weeks. It’s Christmas in July

  • Neutral

    As much as I love McKenzie, we need a coach who can bring discipline to JoC, Beale, etc., and get us winning the big matches in time for 2015 (starting with the Grand Slam tour). So much talent has been utterly wasted. Jake White has all the skills we need and the track record to match.

    • Gaf

      It’d be interesting to see if Jake White would even waste his time with some of these players…

      • Neutral

        Exactly. In some ways we need an external coach now more than ever. Someone to make the hard decisions.

        • Very Happy Reds Fan

          Who are you nominating as coach?

        • Neutral

          As above: Jake White. Two year contract, to the RWC.

        • servo

          Exactly what Eddie suggested. Bring in Jake for the next 2 years and give Link a full tenure. But people have been bagging his comment, guess they can’t see “the forest through the trees”.

        • Lindommer

          If Australian rugby EVER start taking Eddie “mediatart” Jones’s advice we’re well and truly stuffed. servo, next time you think of EJ, go back and check his coaching record with both the Wallabies and Queensland.

    • Very Happy Reds Fan

      This is the type of comment that I think is ill-conceived. It implies that MacKenzie has no discipline. Wil Chambers can tell you about what Link does. How many times has Quade (as the revelant 3rd amigo) been in the press in the past year for breaking team discipline? My user name used to be very sad reds fan until link came along in 2010. He’s the Australian man with the plan. Come on Link

      • Neutral

        I agree McKenzie brings a lot, including discipline. I think Jake White brings that as well, has a useful external perspective, and has a better track record. I’d be happy with either provided they are willing to make the tough calls, for example playing people in the right positions and calling for specialist help where we have long-standing problems (e.g. the scrum).

        I’m also a bit concerned that McKenzie will bring Quade in before solving his tackling problem, which is real.

        • Very Happy Reds Fan

          I was at the Rebels v Reds game and O’Connor played 15 in defence and sometimes 10 in attack. Quade is a bona-fide 10 with test experience and he’s been the goods for the reds for awhile where as JOC, not so much. This is not a Quade thing. This is get rid of Robbie and get and Aussie thing

        • Very Happy Reds Fan

          Look at the reds this year. Lose Higgers and still have a competitive back 3. At least Link knows shit from clay which is more than I can say for Robbie

        • Jenkss

          Absolutely, I was a worried Reds fan when Higgers left. McKenzie clearly had a plan and was not that worried though.

          It will be sad to see him go but if it’s to the Wallabies then I’ll stomach that knowing that our national team will become a force to be reckoned with again.

        • Very Happy Reds Fan

          Jenkss, he goes to a place where the need for him is much greater as sad as we are to see him go

        • Jenkss

          I just hope the Graham has learnt as much as possible under McKenzie this year. The players seem to be confident enough though, they are signing on to remain knowing full well that Graham will be continuing on without McKenzie.

      • mxyzptlk

        I remember when the Beale spiel first went down, Cooper had a comment in the press (lasted maybe half a day) just suggesting Beale take a moment to think about what the gold jersey means and what a privilege it is to get it. Or words to that effect. It seemed like a genuine moment of maturity and support that went otherwise unnoticed, and suggested that somehow — whether through McKenzei’s influence or because it was inevitable — QC was growing up and out of the Amigos thing.

        • Very Happy Reds Fan

          I agree mxyzptlk. He seems to have realised that doing rather than talking is the way to get respect. This time last year he would have been blowing up deluxe. He’s not Mother Teresa but he’s one of the two form 5/8ths and he’s going about his job with the minimum of fuss

    • MightyMoth

      Don’t get me wrong Jake is a fine coach but it’s about time an Australian took the reigns again. Ewan has knocked the job back before and now feels he is capable. He is good at working with the players and is a straight shooter (unlike Deans’ gibberish).

      • Very Happy Reds Fan

        Agreed Moth

  • Geraint

    I’m suprised by the number of negative comments about the WB’s backline. In particular the number 10. The WB’s looked far more dangerous with ball in hand than the lions in all three games. your major issue is in the scrum.

    it’s amazing how fine the line is in rugby. One kick in the first game, and you’d have won the series 2-1. one kick in the second game and you’d have lost 3-0…

    Welsh boy from Merthyr Tydfil :)

    • mxyzptlk

      Whenever the Wallabies get within 10-15 meters of the try line, everything gets frantic and dangerous. The defense almost always looks like they’re trying not to go into panic mode, just maintain their defenseive structures, and work for a turnover or hope for a penalty.

      I dig watching that frantic attack because it seems so potent, but I wonder if it’d be more potent if it was slowed down just a tad and a bit more structured. (But I don’t know that much.)

      • Who?

        It doesn’t need to be slower to be more structured. It just needs someone directing it. It’s a stupid idea to have someone learning the ropes of playing 10 at international level.

    • RedAnt

      I think you’re being spectacularly over-gracious. Our two tries in the first test were down to individual brilliance (Genia and Folau) and we only scored one try in each of the second and third tests, both down to sustained pressure in the BIL’s 22. Last night the BIL backline looked way better.

      • Geraint

        I disagree.. In the first and second test, I watched a lions side drive into the wallabies time and time again, phase after phase. Australia (with good discipline and fitness), absorbed it all. We relied heavily on Halfpenny, and with only 1 point and 2 points separating the sides, you can’t criticise either side too much.

        You’re legs were taken away from you in the third test. When
        a team is so dominant in the scrum, it takes it’s toll as the match goes on, and Australian miss tackles were the result half way through the second half. I was actually hoping the lions would knock the ball forward, because I knew we’d tire you a little bit more, and win a penalty out of it. I’ve seen the French club teams do it to the welsh so many times.

        You need individual brilliance in the backline to disrupt the defensive structure nowadays, and Australia seems to have it in spades. Since Shane Williams retirement, Wales have lacked that individual brilliance. George North has stepped up a few levels in this tour. I haven’t seen him play like that before, and I hope he brings it back to Wales with him.

    • BB

      And that’s the reality.

  • hopeless

    You cant win a test match when you only have 3 forwards MOWEN MOORE & HORWILL having a go..

  • NO PALU

    How GOOD was the HUMAN WRECKING BALL PALU ?? SENSATIONAL!!!!

    • Very Happy Reds Fan

      MIA

  • Flyfox46

    Now can we PLEASE dtich Deans and people may get interested again!

    • galumay

      This continuous anti Deans hysteria borders on xenophobia, people are very ignorant of the game if they believe a coach like Link will change things, mind you most of those calling for him have probably not been following rugby for long enough to realise he is not an international coach, he is a S15 coach with a very mixed record.

      • pants

        “He is a S15 coach with a very mixed record”…that’s what Robbie IS. Also how can you accuse us of xenophobia when Deans has had FAR more latitude than any Australian coach has ever had? Any Austrailan coach with his record of results would have been sacked 2 years into his tenure. We’re now at 5 years and counting with Deans.

        We’re commenting based on his results and his actual coaching, not because he is a kiwi. The only time the kiwi thing comes into it is, if he were an Aussie, the poor coaching performance would somehow be a bit easier to take, because it would at least be an Aussie style of coaching. It is because he is such a disaster as a coach that we want him gone. If you’ve followed this forum for a time, you’ll notice that his flaws have been discussed for a long long time and there’s some very frustrated rugby supporters (myself included) that have had to suffer his baffling decisions and the lack of action by the ARU to fix the problem, for years.

        It has always seemed to come down to 1 more game, 1 more game for him and frustratingly for years, those games have been the ones we have managed to win. This BIL final was again that “1 more game” time for Robbie, and this time we lost…badly. Time to face the music and for the ARU to show some balls and do something about it for the fans.

      • Queenslander

        Oh dear I sense another Deans apologist. I think I can comment from 40 years playing 350 grade games, coaching and life membership to say clearly and without confusion, Deans was god awful as a coach. I think your ignorance lies in not realising Link will make a massive difference in the same way Boof will turn the ashes quest around

  • Throughball

    Guys,
    I would just like to thank you for the schooling I have received in the finer arts of Rugby these past weeks.
    Your analysis has been educational and enlightening.
    A great series and some tense moments for us all to remember.
    You have an NH devotee of your superb site – Have a cold one
    T

    • mxyzptlk

      Scott Allen’s a treasure in this corner of the internet.

      • Throughball

        A golden corner with a little bit of red, white, blue and green

  • gerald.lema@gmail.com

    Enjoy this is a s good as it will get — it will get worse against the All Blacks or Boks even with McKenzie

  • Powerboats & Paddleboards

    Generally speaking I think BMowen had a great series, but watch his effort (or lack thereof) in the leadup to Sextons try – he was seagulling in the centres for multiple phases. It Was the try that stopped our momentum and ultimately cost us.

  • Moz

    So Smith gets knocked out, and came back on, and Izzy pulls a heart muscle and stays off…..seriously???
    Actually, sorry Izzy, you dont deserve that, I’m just lashing out….that was terrible..I was in a pub in Singapore, surrounded by the soap-dodgers, and that was hard to take.
    And the only thing I could console myself with throughout the game was at least we will be shot of that kiwi fraud!
    Thanks G&G, have loved the ride!
    And at some stage, hopefully in the next few days, I will also acknowledge the BIL…not tonight, but later. But I will say you have the greatest supporters, met many, and they are just people who love their footy, and beer and a laugh. Well done you lot!

  • gutted

    Robbie Deans hate is a weak copout for tonight’s loss, as is the JOC / KB hate.. The reality is our scrum got dominated and cost us 19 points in the 1st half, the backs were hardly the reason for the loss.

    The Lions were far from dominant apart from scrumtime but I don’t believe having a winning scrum deserves consistent penalties and points every time you enter the opposition’s half. Lions backs didn’t show anything in attack until after the 50th min..

    Comments here are forgetting JOC’s brilliant individual 1st half try that restored hope.. despite poor performances the rest of the series I thought he and KB actually played well tonight

    Extremely disappointing that the wallabies capitulated in the final 30 mins, but people are forgetting that the WBs actually looked on top 10 mins into the first half, and had we scored when Robinson knocked on the game would have changed dramatically.. not blaming BR though, I thought he was the form wallaby front rower of the series

  • Sydney Tom

    No need to be quite so harsh on Alexander. Hibbard (possibly the strongest scrummaging hooker in world rugby), Corbisiero (probably the strongest scrummaging LH prop in world rugby, Domingo included) and Jones (certainly the strongest scrummaging TH prop in world rugby, Mas included) were in combination. We won’t come up against an opposition scrum like that again in 2013.

    • Rob

      What about when you next play Wales with Hibbard, Jones and Gethin Jenkins (arguably as good as Corbisiero)?

      • Sydney Tom

        Corbisiero is a better scrummager that Jenkins. That was apparent after the trouble he had Du Plessis in when the Poms played the Springboks before Christmas. 30 November may be difficult at scrum time though, if those 3 are available to the Welsh. November 2010 all over again….

    • mxyzptlk

      Hammerhead Hibbard is possibly the strongest scrummaging hooker in world rugby, and most definitely has the hardest skull.

      • Sydney Tom

        After knocking Smith senseless, I noticed he walked away unscathed from another big head collision with Mowen……

      • Terry Hills

        I didn’t know Fabio played rugby let alone was a Welshman???

  • Zeeman

    They didn’t just lose a match – they broke the soul of Aussie rugby – done

  • Mike

    A great finale to a great series, Australia host a good tournament. The clash in styles between NH and SH is part of the wonder of this great event, especially during the Australia tour, as it is only really apparent when Lions play Australia. SA and NZ cope much better with the set piece emphasis than Aus. As someone else above said, we find it hard to know why you can’t seem to take to this aspect of the game. I mean the scrum in particular. What Australia seem to want to play is a form of Unionised rugby league, when everywhere else in the world, the scrum has got stronger and the gameplan around it.
    Deans and co. have done some work in this area but it’s clearly not enough as tonight showed. I think Aussies have to make a real decision about this, do you want to play international style Union or try and keep your super 15 and pre pro era style game? It’s fine wanting to play running rugby, but when the scrum dominates a game, you don’t get the ball to do this. IMO Wallabies wanted to play one style of rugby tonight and couldn’t cope with the style the Lions wanted to play. That was a gift to the Lions coaching staff, they knew exactly what you didn’t want to do and set their gameplan around it. That was proper rugby union, the way most other countries like it, and there was no shortage of tries. IMO Australia will have to either embrace it, or keep losing to it, Union isn’t going to become League to suit one nation.

    • Pasty Pom

      Whilst I completely agree that the scrum should remain a contest and we shouldnt slide towards League, your post could have been slightly more gracious perhaps? Scrum dominance doesnt always materialise and the same game plan could have had us KO tonight 2-0 down playing a dead rubber. I would love to see more running rugby from NH sides and the scrum / reset / penalty debacle is a massive problem. This site is generally very good for analysis and sensible debate, something that you cant get on the bbc or sky which is full of WUM.

      • rrotary hoe

        yeah stupid comment.you see many games with half the number of scrums so as to not become a factor, and M.Poite decided early on which way his arm was going(which he always does).Not saying we weren’t smashed but some of them were 50/50 who went down first.
        Anyways our Rugby Union team did quite well against Wales and England,particularly at scrum time..
        well done Lions , were outstanding today and was a pleasure to have been there.

        • sirpigeonnipples

          Definitely hard done by at the scrums by poite. Still would have lost to the better team, but he was definitely against us. And whats with the lineout decision at 55mins? Terrible night for poite, who is no good at the best of times.

    • JeremyBC

      As a kiwi I take exception to your comment that SA and NZ “cope” much better with the set piece emphasis than Aus.

      While I have a few doubts this year, if for example you take the last RWC you’ll find that the All Blacks scrum was a weapon – probably equalled only by the French and Argentines.

      Im also pretty confident that the Saffas would find the idea that they “cope” a bit of a laugh. Lions 2009 Tour? Pretty even contest if not going the saffas way?

      Completely agree regarding your more general point though. Well played.

      • Who?

        And for those with short memories, remember our scrum against the Boks in 2009? Robinson constantly dominating their THP’s? And people think we’ve never had a strong scrum…

    • Andy

      Australia have improved at the scrum in the past 6 years. Not saying they are in the top 3 in the world or anything but in this series they were only dominated in the final game against 3 very good scrummaging front rowers, arguably the best 3 in the northern hemisphere.

      If you want an example of how much Australia have improved in this area have a look at S15 rugby. The Brums and Tahs regularly dominate the SA and NZ teams. They just came up against a better scrum on the night and all plaudits to the Lions on this occasion, they were really impressive and clearly did their homework on Alexander.

      I’ve seen Wales, Ireland, Scotland and even England get dominated by other teams before so I think your point above is a bit exaggerated. The Wallabies are not getting completely dominated every week which was the case many years back.

      I look forward to seeing Slipper come along and same with Sio. I think the latter could end up being one of our greatest props. His dominance in the scrums for the Brums this year has been eye catching.

  • rdean

    The Lions shouldn’t get over confident. They were made to look good by a absolutely pathetic team playing touch football. Badly.

  • Fatflanker

    Can’t wait to hear what Hitler thinks about this one.

  • Davy

    Dingo should of picked Ray Meagher at fly-half.

  • ben

    I just dont think enough is being made of horwills decisions to constantly turn down kickable penalties. 10-3 16-3 19-3 those arent scores that make try scoring the only option. It was a test vs the lions not the british barbarians.

    • Richard

      I fear Horwill typified much of what Australian rugby fans felt throughout this whole series. A mistaken belief we could obtain parity up front and use a gifted set of individuals in the backline to carve up the Lions through superior pace, skill and creativity. It would start with the probing threat of Genia, JOC would be the visionary play-maker, Leali’ifano the link in midfield, AAC the threat at centre and Folau, Tumane and Beale would create havoc wide out. What materialized was a bumbling bunch of pretty boys who orchestrated little and executed even less. Genia started brilliantly, but was forced into trying too much himself. JOC at 10 was a joke – throughout. Ditto Beale at 15. Did Leali’ifano seriously do anything on the field apart from kick goals? Ditto AAC ex. 1 late try. Folau faded once the Lions shut down his space. Tumane (and Ioane in 1st test) were simply embarrassing. But of course it’s not any player’s fault for performing the way they did. It was all Deans for picking them right? Really?

      • Ralph

        Tomane didn’t play in the first test. McCabe did. The guy robbie picked with a grand total of sub 200 minutes game time. At the time McCabe couldn’t even start for the brumbies. Know your facts before you comment. Robbies a bust.

        • Richard

          Re-read it mate. I referenced Ioane in the 1st test. My comments on Leali’ifano and Tumane were for the 2 matches they were on the field. McCabe was a replacement for less than 60 minutes in Brisbane and I agree was his typically ineffective self.

      • Parker

        Lealiifano only kicked the goals that won us the second test and made the third one slightly less humiliating.

  • Glenn Condell

    Men. Against. Boys.

  • bill

    theres a song on the fifa13 soundtrack that encapsulates Deans attitude. Less fortunately it also captures his last couple of years with us. The Heavy – Dont Say Nothin.

  • galumay

    I still shake my head at those that blame Deans and suggest QC would have helped the situation. Well done BIL’s, you came out of the blocks and proved the old truism that the forwards win the game & the backs decide by how much. You were the better team on the day when it really counted and played with passion, pride and skill.
    We need to understand what happened in the scrums, we were holding our own in the first two tests and were then totally dominated in the 3rd test – a big part of the loss.
    We do need to find a way to fit Mogg into the run on side, the lack of a decent kicker is a real handicap, you could see the difference as soon as he came on.
    Well onto the Bledisloe now, and the 4 Nations, looking forward to a great couple of months or Rugby.

    • RedsFanDan

      Robbie’s inability to control Beale, Barnes and Bieber’s aimless kicking, his selection of an inexperienced and ineffective fly-half for the biggest test series in 12 years, the continued selection of JOC and Beale despite their off-field antics and on-field slump in form/game-time, the fact that despite playing and training together for a number of weeks no-one seemed to know what they were doing on the kick offs.

      All of this rests with Deans and the ARU.

  • HUH??

    NSWRU/ARU do you honestly believe that we can win the next WC with ROBERTO DEANS???
    Performance reflected his persona…one dimensional, uninspired & DUMB!!!! . Get Ewen before it’s too late!!! ARISE SIR EWEN!!!!!

  • gary

    What more do you want Robbie? If that is the best you can offer, then
    we are the bigger fool for sucking into your strategy for beating the
    lions. You will what run them ragged? The way the Wallabies played they
    could not have won the Super 15 comp. No structure, no set moves and
    they played like it was a first test and not the final. Sack Deans now!!!! And Pulver don’t try to defend the
    indefensible – HE is the problem NOT the players. Deans has limited
    strategic nous when losing – and poor player selection. He also has
    appalling communication skills. Back to the Taranaki pig farm you go.

    • Richard

      In my opinion, this entire series for Australia was summed up by 1 action. Kurtley Beale slipping over at the conclusion of the Brisbane test. Over-rated player, poorly prepared for the moment, looking for a miracle to mask very broad deficiencies. Deans is finished as the coach – but too many faces of Australian rugby were absent for this 3 match series. The problems lie deep – and don’t end with the head coach. Time will prove that.

  • Queenslander

    I have been anti Deans on this site and to anyone who would listen since day 1. Aust for Aust teams is the only way to grow the code. Telling Oz coaches that they basically are shit and looking overseas makes me ill. Deans was a bullshit choice from people who still subscribe to the unpalatable theory that sport is a business and emotion and loyalty are somehow anachronistic.
    Deans was an abject failure, poor selections, atrocious use of the bench, no discernible game plan, set pieces that do not stand up to rigorous test and the worst of all, the absolute disgrace is allowing chip kicks, grubbers kicks, box kicks to be used with impunity.
    Beale got away with 1 on Sat and I can recall maybe 1 other couple of years ago otherwise we give free possession to the like of Dagg who roger us. This evidently is playing what is in front of you and is lazy, childlike coaching. Deans is likely a nice fella but fair dinkum the ARU and J’ON are to blame for this debacle.
    And now we are likely to get a Staffa. OMG it will be more of the same.

    • RichPatt

      Mate – own up! At the time, you and every Australian rugby fan celebrated John O’Neill’s coup at capturing Robbie Deans. You couldn’t believe New Zealand’s stupidity at gifting him to Australia after the NZRFU overlooked him for the AB job. You envied his accomplishments with the Crusaders with their on-field success married with off-field culture. You basked in the glory of his victory over the All Blacks in his 1st clash with them in 2008. You, and many others got all excited. The dark era of Queenslander John Connolly had ended – the bright next chapter had begun.

      Turf Deans out – but ask yourself why he failed to replicate the Crusaders success and culture into the Wallabies. Or are the Wallabies following the same downward trend as Aussie cricket, Aussie swimming and Aussie tennis – and all their Aussie born coaches. You all were “all in” on Robbie Deans on Day 1. Don’t try convincing us otherwise.

      • Ian Daley

        I was skeptical but like most Aussies at the time, prepared to give the guy a go and reserve judgment. Well, 4 years later and enough was enough. He should have been let go at the end of RWC2011.

      • Queenslander

        Wrong Rich not all rugby people in this country are lemmings. deans was never the right man and the KIWIs knew it

        • RichPatt

          Very profound thinking mate – congrats. The AB job was his in 2008 but he butchered his chance with a shocking campaign. O’Neill thought he’d pulled off a master stroke. How wrong he was.

  • Very Happy Reds Fan

    Is there an Australian equivalent of Tahihr Square we can occupy and call for Robbie’s over throw?

  • Greasegun

    Poo. I swore so much last night I don’t have any real swear words left.

  • Drongo

    I have this shit theory that you can tell how good the wallabies will play based on how “fired up” they look when they sing the anthem. My missus says its just another of my crap theories but I reckon it has merit. Wallabies looked scared at anthem time.

  • Humble Kiwi

    A letter from New Zealand

    Forgive me, I’m unclear who to address this letter to as I’m not sure who is in charge of the Wallabies these days. Is it Ewen MacKenzie, Jake White, Robbie Deans or maybe Julia Gillard? Anyway, it seems like everyone wants Robbie out and Quade Cooper back at No. 10. Us All Black fans can only endorse that rushed re-appointment of Cooper back into that pivotal fly half spot. You see over here we see Quade as a perenial lightweight. A blight on any team coz he’s all about him, not the team. We have endless happy memories of Cooper making countless poor decisions in test matches, most when put under pressure, but some when not. We love watching the men in black bitch-slap him for some poorly thought out indiscretions he made as a petulant youngster. Our memories are long and we know the more he lines up against us, the more we’ll tamper with that inflated ego and very small football brain of his. We know he won’t have changed, guys like him never do. We know he won’t be humbled by anything that’s occurred. That is a huge no-no for Khoder Nasser and that stable of intellects that claim to “advise” him. Ideally Mr/Ms Wallaby Coach, rush Quade back and slot him in with his Amigo mates James O’Connor and Kurtley Beale. We know the Rebels have walked away from JOC but we’re sure you’ll persevere with his arrogance for a while yet. God forbid you stuck with Beale who repaid you with nothing. Why change now?

    Finally to our cousin Robbie, think about coming home bro. The word in Christchurch is if the Crusaders don’t win it all this year, Todd Blackadder and the entire coaching staff will be fired. You could get your old job back bro. and get back to winning trophies again. You’ll like it. Hard-working guys, no bs, no ego but a strong work ethic to come together and get it done. You can also hook up again with Dan Carter. Remember him? Given the garbage those fools at 10 for the Wallabies have served up to you, you may welcome it. He’s a pro. mate. It would be a nice change. Something to think about.

  • Bcombes

    My thoughts after this series are we have seen some good things.

    1. Folau is a genuine athlete and could enjoy a fine career in gold.
    - my thoughts on folau is that it would be good to see a coach develop him into a 12 or 13 (SBW like) ensuring he gets his hands on the ball more often and has t.he opportunity to run through holes.
    2. Jesse mogg. My thoughts from his brief appearance in the gold but more so from closely watching him for the brumbies is he could be a long term more stable replacement for Beale. (This is a big call I know) but mogg has a similar excite as Beale with the ball in hand but seems to bring a great rugby head with his field positioning and kick return strategies. Beale is a great player a once in a generation sort but unfortunately as we have seen with Beale he is either boom or bust.
    3. Liam gill – stats alone would agree with me that gill is a more effective no.7 than hooper is but I will explain my reasoning. Gill offers a whole lot more at the breakdown and after watching hoppers performance it seems to me that when he is on player in the opens idle role we as a team seem to have no commitment at the breakdown and can nearly wave goodbye to the chance of a turnover ball (other than from the hands of Moore/mowen) Obviously pocock is the first selected back rower when fit but I would love to see gill get selection over hooper as he offers not only better skills at the breakdown but the added ability of another jumper in the line out and is effective in open play as seen with the reds.
    4. Ben Mowen…enough said I thought he was one of our most consistent throughout the series and was quite impressed and he also gives us another option at 8 if higgers is injured.
    5. Lealiafiano – we could have possibly found a reliable kicker. Though I would still like to see him impose him self more in attack like we all know he can.

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