Rosario Forges New Wallabies Dynasty

LeftArmSpinner October 8, 2012 95

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A few of the Rosario 22, at large

There is now a clear pattern emerging that this generation of young Wallabies is made of the sternest stuff.  This gives them the best chance of challenging the All Blacks in England in 2015 for the RWC.

As if forged and then precision cut by laser, this squad emerged and discovered itself in Rosario. I will call them the Rosario 22.

The same thing happened to the Australian cricket team in the late 1980s when they won the 1987 World Cup and then defeated England at home in 1989, both against the odds and under extremely unflattering epithets from the fourth estate.

The Rosario 22 are nothing like the finished article yet. They will struggle against the All Blacks in Brisbane. However, we are at the start of a four-year cycle and RWCs are not won now.

Despite lacking the combined 83 Test caps of supposedly key play makers Barnes (45) and Cooper (38), and the inclusion of inexperienced replacements, there were fewer brainless errors by the Rosario 22: no morale-damaging tweets or television appearances, no fluffed drop-outs, no charged-down kicks, no mindless chip-kicks and no huffing and puffing. This made life so much easier for the Rosario 22.

The Rosario 22 includes twelve players with fewer than 15 Test caps and eleven with fewer than ten.

Seven of the nine backs are babes in both Test caps and age. Harris (three and 24), Cummins (one and 25), Tapuai (two and 23), Phipps (five and 23), McCabe (13 and 24) and Shipperley (two and 21) have fewer than 15 Tests.  Sheehan has just three Tests.

Of the 13 forwards, five are babes: Hooper has seven caps and is 21 years old, Timani has seven and is 26, Douglas has two and is 23, Dennis has eight and is 26, and Gill has 3 and is 20.

The misfortune of the injury toll has peeled back the layers and exposed the Rosario 22, thrusting them into international rugby well before their time. As the saying goes, ‘If you’re good enough, you’re old enough’.

They are good enough. They have repeatedly demonstrated the most important ingredient. Whether you call it character, determination, passion, stubbornness or plain youthful naiveté and self-belief, as a team, they give it their best for 80 minutes, no matter what. I ask no more.

The Rosario 22 will get better when they eliminate the inexperience that creates dropped passes, bombed tries, dropped high balls and silly penalties.

This character first arose during the Springboks game in RWC 2011. Everything said that they should have lost that game. Then they gathered their tired bodies and minds together to win five times against Wales, the current European champions in the space of seven months. They achieved this with a lengthening casualty list, a combination of dubious playing tactics and/or lack of attacking cohesion, and some brainless individual player performances on and off the field.

They were outclassed by the All Blacks in both games but tackled to a standstill in both games. They came from behind against the Springboks and the Pumas, kept playing in South Africa even with 14 men and then overcame the passion and atmosphere of Rosario and Roncero’s farewell game, not to mention the phantom laser.

Nathan Sharpe’s passionate and experienced leadership, clearly influenced by his class as an individual, his frequent, painful losses at the Reds and then the Force and his imminent retirement, has been a major factor. Horwill, Genia and Pocock just don’t have Sharpe’s leadership experience. It will come.

The next test of character for the Rosario 22 comes in two weeks against the All Blacks in Brisbane. They probably won’t win but they must play for 80 minutes and build on Rosario.

As soon as possible, Robbie Deans needs to do four things:

1. Anoint The Rosario 22

Anoint this squad as incumbents, not as seat-warmers for the injured. This gives the youngsters more self-belief and motivation and tells the injured stars to return with their A game if they want to keep their Wallabies dream alive.

For example, Mitchell, Tomane, Turner and O’Connor will need to surpass both Shipperley and Cummins for a starting wing position. AAC and Horne will need to oust Tapuai. Pocock will need to dominate Hooper and Gill at the breakdown and around the field to wear the 7 jersey.

In 2013, as the Lions arrive, the Wallabies will have the 20 currently injured, former starting players competing with the Rosario 22 for just 22 places. Expect this rivalry to feed into every one of the 20 Australian derby Super Rugby games in 2013.

2. Develop every player’s individual skill levels

These young players need help to develop into highly skilled players who can perform and execute these skills under intense pressure.

Like a hot knife through butter

3. Backline Play

The Ioane try against Argentina and Dagg’s try in Sydney destroyed the myth that modern defences are superior to traditional attacks; I emplore Robbie Deans to encourage the return of deceptive and exciting backline play. It is essential to the scoreline, the attendances and the viewership.

4. High Tempo Play

In Rosario, the Wallabies were at their most effective when they played an up-tempo game. Higginbotham hit and bent the line and popped a pass to Sharpe at full pace. No defence can stop this type of attack. Kieran Read’s beautifully timed and brave run last week split the Argentinian defence and created an easy try for Cory Jane.

Let’s hope that the pattern of the past 12 games continues and flourishes.

Discussion »

  • Ali

    Great piece! All hail the Rosario 22 :-))

    • LeftArmSpinner

      thanks Ali

    • Jimmy

      I’m usually pretty negative about the performances of this team but I thought they demonstrated that they do have a bit of character and are prepared to tough it out.

      I really believe they just need a bit of coaching now and the whole squad could form a really great team. Get rid of the egos, the “brands” and let the guys who really want to be part of a winning team play.

      I for one will support them.

  • DC

    I wonder if we will ever get the chance to witness and Hooper/Pocock/GIll backrow.

    I know alot of people are against so many fetchers and not enough ‘ball carriers’, but Gill could be the Marcel Coetzee of Australian Rugby, he is only getting bigger aswell.

    • LeftArmSpinner

      an embarrassment of riches, and just as Sir Ritchie is on his way out, hobbling on those high mileage legs!!!

      • S Paddy

        McCaw is on his way out??? By far the worlds greatest rugby player. Even the most one eyed WB supporter must tip their hat and bow to greatness. I have a feeling he will still be going strong in 3 years. 100 test wins makes us look silly when we compare our greatest players. He will easily be the world player of the year for a fourth time this year. Say that slowly – 100 test wins. as an aussie living in NZ it hurts like hell to say this but he is amazing. A true champion that could earn a fortune elsewhere but only wants to play for the AB’s until (as he says) he can’t add value to the jersey. But lets all patriotic and back the messiahs that are Link and QC. What a joke!!!

  • Doctor D

    What you call gutsy I call shit. The All Blacks absolutely destroyed this team and we barely beat them.

    We’re a long long long long way off from challenging the All Blacks.

    • Dave

      Nobody said that we could challenge the All Blacks. The article merely says that this young playing group has a world of potential, which we need to properly develop, with the intention of winning the 2015 RWC. The All Blacks are the best team in the world by far, but these things move in cycles. Look at the Australian cricket team in the 90s and 2000s compared to 09. And for just about the least experienced team the WBs have fielded in the proffessional era, the term “shit” might be a bit harsh don’t you think?

      • Fletch

        Exactly Dave – to term last nights effort in such a manner is disgraceful IMO.

        • LeftArmSpinner

          Thanks dave and Fletch. yet, this article is an attempt to identify a pattern that is emerging. It is fragile and there is much work to be done, and it will take some luck also.

          Nathan Sharpe has been a great help, but frankly a fluke, given that he only got the captain’s armband after Horwill, Pocock and Genia were injured.

    • capnles

      When a near full-strength All Blacks team thrashed Argentina, their previous game had been at home, 2 weeks prior.

      Comparing that performance with the display given by an Australian team against the same opposition, barely a week after a tough test match against the Springboks on the other side of the world, with effectively a full match-day squad of potential first-team players absent through injury is grossly unfair. But I’m sure you considered all that before making your deeply analytic comment.

      We’ll probably lose to the All Blacks, but the commitment the author referred to is what we can build upon heading towards 2015.

      • LeftArmSpinner

        capnies, spot on. we can build on this. But, it wont happen on its own.

    • DC

      Wow, are you serious kid? I call you kid because it looks like there are many things you don’t understand.

      Where did it say we could challenge the All Blacks? Where did it compare the two wins? You’re probably just a trolling kiwi looking for some attention.

      People like you aren’t needed in this game, the ‘comparison’ you made is like bananas and washing machines, you can’t compare them

    • Dave

      Great piece. You’ve actually got me pumped for the game against the ABs to see how these now well blooded young’uns will do.

      “The Rosario 22″, great stuff.

      • Dave

        Sorry, wasn’t meant to be a reply to what I can only assume is a troll.

    • LeftArmSpinner

      Doc, I have not written that they are yet even close to challenging the mighty All Blacks. Clearly, they are not. However, compared to other recent Wallabies eras, this era seems to possess the critical element, the character, passion and determination to get closer and never give up until they do win. It will take time.

      • RJ

        one cannot discount the suncorp factor. We will be giving the AB’s plenty of verbal, but we will leave the laser pointers at home.

    • Suzy Poison

      Good gutsy win, but the reality is the Wallabies beat a team ranked number 8 in the world, and that is considered to be an upset. That is the state of Australian rugby at the moment. For me, it’s hard to say if any progress has been made this year under Deans. Perhaps he blooded some new players. My team the Boks are in a similar predicament. The All Blacks are making us all look average.

      Good luck to Wallas, but I would be very surprised if this team manages a win against either the AB’s at home, France, Wales or England away. Those are all tough games, and probably even tougher than Rosario.

      • Fletch

        Re your prediction as to Aus v France, England, Wales – thing is Suzy is, we just beat Wales 3 zip in August, have beaten the boks 5 out of last 6 games and beaten England and France last time we played them too. With over half the 1XV coming back I’d say we are a pretty good bet actually.

    • Dr S

      Doctor D, I think you should stop self-medicating on the downer drugs and have a look at the big picture. Wallabies with young team, non-existent captain, best/experienced players out injured, QC media hype and NZ coach. It took a lot of guts for this B team to go out on foreign soil and sustain that fighting attitude for the full 80mins, not to mention, kick during eye-laser surgery!!

    • S Paddy

      Couldn’t put it better Doc! An embarrssment to our nation to expect a dynasty. Living in NZ has opened my eyes to these AB’s when you see them publicly. Humble, modest. under stated, avoiding controversey, and champions. And we have QC – the worlds best rugby player who can’t express himself in a toxic environment, is the worlds best rugby player, and can win a world cup if given the chance to shine. Give me &^%%$ strength. Sir Brian Lochore put it best when he said”better people make better All Blacks”. Anything we can learn from that? The AB’s make me sick with their professionalism and ethical values. Who wants to support a team that dies for their jersey and country, that pass up lucrative offers to play overseas (Hosea Gear), and demand excellence from each other from their fans? Hurts to say this but i think being a wallaby doesn’t quite pull at the heart strings for Australian rugby players.

      • johnny-boy

        And yet as time will show, McCaw is not actually that nice a guy. Ever wondered why he has trouble keeping a steady girlfriend ?

      • drewprint

        ^ This has got to be the front-runner for the ‘Most Transparent Troll of the Year’ award. If you had any wit or guile whatsoever you would have made it a lot less obvious but, well, you are a Kiwi after all.

        • drewprint

          (Directed at S Paddy of course.)

  • Mick Coogan

    Doctor D mate while I agree. I think Lefty has a point. I was going to write about how the young Wallabies of this era would eventually get a bit of back bone and via that experience and depth. Desperation does that to you.

    Thus they are getting a good education. I think not having Cooper in the environment is helping. Beale, has been far better in that he hasn’t gone to pieces under the pressure. He also looked quite confident in command barking out the orders. Australia have some nice players in the center halves coming through.

    Tapuai had a bad game but Cummins was solid however. Hooper was excellent. With AAC in full flight I can see the back line humming a little more. He was sorely missed.
    But it’s not something to get to carried away with either. Nick Mallet at half time was saying the Argentinians were clearly exhausted. Though they have been brave this is their first season in the comp. Its a shock to the system. The penalties they were giving away were effectively professional fouls to prevent tries.

    One thing Aussies have to be careful of is and crowing a bit much as if they were they best all along lol. Us Kiwi’s are in danger of assuming we are the best getting complacent, arrogant and boom. We have the Aussies on us. Its a vicious cycle rofl.

    With some better tactics, I think there may be something going on. I think Deans may well stay on dare I say it. I think we’ll have to see how these lads go in the UK to decide if there has been some transformation however.

    But it’ll be interesting to see how they go against the AB’s. Despite the results their defense against us has been very good.

    • LeftArmSpinner

      Mick, I think that AAC will need to earn his spot back. I am a very big fan of AAC. But he has not been playing as well as he can and as he did earlier in his career. Drop him and some other previously guaranteed starters, and see what happens. He has character. I would expect him to bounce back big time and then everyone is a winner.

      • Jimmy

        I don’t think he is at his best either but who would you put in ahead of him? I can’t see anyone in this country who has been better in that position than he has.

        It’s hard to believe a country with traditionally “world’s best” centres could have dropped so far.

      • Mick Coogan

        No problems Mick. He gets stick from some Aussie fans, which is a shame. Funny we Kiwi’s actually tend to rate AAC because he has heart, a good head, good pass, tackle and is a great team player.

        With so many show pony Wallabies around recently he’s stuck his head down and produced. He’s suffered from having a decent second five supplying him and backing him up.

        He’s actually a world class utility just without some of the fancy frills in the Leon McDonald mould (a bit like my laptop) lol. A Mr fix it by any means and he’s been an anchor in the back line for a woefully performing team IMO.

        Oh and your last article on Khoder was great by the way. We should do a joint article sometime.

        • johnny-boy

          AAC has all those attributes – except the bit about the pass. If he could add that he’d go back to being our best outside centre and world class

    • Dr S

      Spot on, Mick!

  • Fletch

    The level of code specific knowledge and thus journalism on this site is second to none !

  • Who?

    I don’t think anyone’s ever really had reason to question ANY of our players for their heart and effort the last few years. This 22 played with as much heart as you’d expect of a Wallaby 22, and we were lucky that it was enough.

    The issue’s never been courage/effort, it’s always been game plan/confidence/execution. Think about it – the last time we scored a try off a set piece play – basically the same set piece play, with Digby coming round the corner for a ball from Quade – was 2 years ago… Why so long between plays?

    • p.Tah

      That set play executed perfectly was such a highlight. The way Beale ran hard at the line then off loaded a deft pass to a charging Digby leaving the Argie defense flatfooted with their arms in the air. It looked so simple.

      For the first time for a while I felt we can give this Lions Series a really good shot. Let’s see how the Spring Tour goes.

      • LeftArmSpinner

        p.Tah, it was the Double pump from Kurtley with the decoy getting the first pump and then Digby getting the second pump that made it happen. Its the theatre of it that befuddles defenders, particularly forwards! (Just kidding!)

  • Chunderstruck

    More first phase moves please!

    • LeftArmSpinner

      Chunder, I agree. Its always seemed to me to be logical that from 1st phase, you dont have a crowded defensive line and you can get mismatches and misreads where the attacker goes straight through and then does not have to contend with any cover defence. A la Ioane’s try last weekend.

      Beales did the double pump and, when combined with a real live runner, it took out the defender leaving the gapping hole for DI. Pretty to watch.

      • Chunderstruck

        When they come off they’re perfect highlight/promo material. I think they go a long way to attracting viewers.

        I agree with Scott’s excellent “Fightback” articles a while back, that 1st phase moves should be the cornerstone of Wallaby back play. I yearn for the days when we would have a set piece in the 22 and the opposition defence would be bricking it trying to work out what sick move was about to be unleashed on them!

  • murph

    What an absolute pile of horseshit.

    • LeftArmSpinner

      Murph, Thanks for that most constructive of comments. Why don’t you elucidate?

      • Another dave

        He would if he knew what “elucidate” meant.

      • whatwouldberniedo

        i think what he means is NEWSFLASH- YOUNG PEOPLE HAVE POTENTIAL!!! the fact that deans has failed to actualise the potential in team rehab speaks more about the likely reality than any hope we might harbour for a bunch of guys who will tackle themselves into the ground each week.

        deans inability to get all 22 on the same page with a coherent and effective game plan has been the one great consistency of his term. his mismanagement of the team culture has allowed the development of a chronic divide between those entrusted to win the game and those entrusted to not loose it. could you ever imagine wayne bennett to allow this debarcle to have occurred? year in and out, league teams deal with, nuture and indoctrinate much looser units than the three amigos. deans failure to recognise the importance of this has been farcical.

        any enthusiasm for that win is another episode in the bizarre perception gymnastics that the rugby public have been forced into by the deans regime. we were average at best, and saved by the pumas chronic indiscipline and inability to throw or catch the last pass when they had already split us wide open.

        while i appreciate the sentiment of the article, I’m sick of sentimentality blinding honest assessment of this team and the real potential of many members of this team.

        • LeftArmSpinner

          Whatwouldberniedo? “any enthusiasm for that win is another episode in the bizarre perception gymnastics”

          Phew.

          First, they actually won.

          Second, the team is ranked the second best in the world.

          Third, there have been multiple examples of great ticker over the past 12 months.

          that the rugby public have been forced into by the deans regime. we were average at best, and saved by the pumas chronic indiscipline and inability to throw or catch the last pass when they had already split us wide open.

          “while i appreciate the sentiment of the article, I’m sick of sentimentality blinding honest assessment”

          Very big criticism, particularly without any corresponding facts to back it up.

          From the last 14 games, they have lost four meaningful games (and I am excluding the ludicious scotland game as it was not the full test team), three to the mighty AB’s (two away from home) and one to the Boks in SA at a ground where they had never, ever won.

    • LeftArmSpinner

      Hey Murph, lets hear your views. We are all ears!!!!

      • murph

        Ok champ. Try and keep up.

        This article is the sort of nonsense that’s rolled out on The Roar and is reminiscent of the One Swallow a Summer Makes drivel that’s trotted out in the British sporting press. Australia beat the 8th ranked team in the world – just. How does that ‘forge’ a future world beating side?

        The team that beat Argentina was Deans’s choice but mainly through the effect of injury. There will be no continuity in the side. As soon as Deans’s favourites are available again, he’ll simply parachute them in. For example, whilst he’s played admirably, Samo is in the side to plug a gap awaiting Deans’s favourites, Palu & McCalman, to return. Higginbotham played well but, given Deans’s idiotic usage of the bench, probably only got a run because Douglas knocked himself out cold. Higginbotham’s performance is no guarantee he’ll appear against the ABs. Form has never been a factor in the constitution of Deans’s sides. People can bang on all they like about how great Timani is but they seem to miss the point that he’s slow around the pitch, lumbering in the defensive loose and, most worryingly, can’t jump in the lineout thereby depriving the Wallabies of a lineout option.

        Beale did well but the rest of the backline was pretty poor. Whilst Harris can kick, he’s not a fullback. Taps has potential but should be at 12 where he’d be way more effective. McCabe is there for his defence and is part of Deans’s game plan to minimise losses or grind down the opposition (mainly through boredom). Diggers was unusually poor and does not look happy -at all. It wouldn’t surprise me if he’s well entrenched in the QC camp.

        Unless Deans goes Australia will be about the 5th ranked side in the world by the end of the November internationals and will remain there for some time.

        Ps I know what elucidate means, you pompous tool

      • murph

        Ok champ. Try and keep up.

        Australia beat the 8th ranked team in the world – just. How does that ‘forge’ a future world beating side? It doesn’t. Not in the slightest.

        The team that beat Argentina was Deans’s choice but mainly through the effect of injury. There will be little continuity in the side. As soon as Deans’s favourites are available again, he’ll simply parachute them in. For example, whilst he’s played admirably, Samo is in the side to plug a gap awaiting Deans’s favourites, Palu & McCalman, to return. Higginbotham played well but, given Deans’s idiotic usage of the bench, probably only got a run because Douglas knocked himself out cold. Higginbotham’s performance is no guarantee he’ll appear against the ABs. Form has never been a factor in the constitution of Deans’s sides.

        People can bang on all they like about how great Timani is but they seem to miss the point that he’s slow around the pitch, particularly in the defensive loose and, most worryingly, can’t jump in the lineout thereby depriving the Wallabies of a critical lineout option. Picking him at 6 is simply the last straw and proof that Deans is determined to pick certain players no matter their suitability to a position.

        Beale did well but the rest of the backline was pretty poor. Whilst Harris can kick for goal, he’s not a fullback, at best a 12. Taps has potential but should be at 12 where he’d be way more effective. McCabe is there for his defence and is part of Deans’s game plan to minimise losses or grind down the opposition (mainly through boredom). He’ll never be part of an effective, creative Australian backline which is what is needed for Australia to compete. Diggers was unusually poor and does not look happy – at all. It wouldn’t surprise me if he’s well entrenched in the QC camp. Cummins was..m’eh.

        As for your comment O’Connor will need to surpass Cummins?? WTF? Seriously? W.T.F?

        Unless Deans goes Australia will be about the 5th ranked side in the world by the end of the November internationals and will remain there for some time.

        This article is the sort of nonsense that’s regularly rolled out on ‘The Roar’ and is reminiscent of the ‘One Swallow a Summer Makes’ drivel that’s trotted out in the British sporting press.

        ps I know what ‘elucidate’ means. How old are you? 12?

      • Stephen Conroy

        Murph would but he can’t because he’s been banned from the thread.

      • Dingo’s Mum

        Acting as if you’re inviting debate whilst simultaneously banning that person from commenting on the thread?

        Good move. It makes you look so tough and in control.

        I like your style. Did you learn that from my son?

  • ‘Boutbloodytime

    Bloody ugly win, but very gutsy all the same…I like the tag ‘Rosario 22′ & the best part about this forced blooding of new talent is that it will create competition for positions, which will automatically raise standards across the park…no more incumbents based on reputation is an exciting prospect looking forward.

    Beale, despite some errors, is beginning to grow into his role & gain some composure…over the next few seasons he could bring some real maturity & intelligent play to the backline (if they get the chance to settle on a starting XV & build some combinations).

    These guys have had a baptism of fire (including the Boks game) & will only improve…loads of errors made the game closer than it should have been, but as stated above, nobody is doubting the Wallaby ticker & attitude.

    I don’t think Deans is the long term option, but Blades appears to be getting this scrum to work better & its great to see Fatcat returning to some form in the scrum…add to that young guns like Hooper who is on fire & Timani beginning to find his feet & there’s a lot of promise.

    I agree with LAS, we are nowhere near the standard to consistently challenge the ABS (or Boks at home yet), but a focus on improving all aspects of play & skill development ie: focusing on the little things, will begin to bring about the results on the scoreboard.

    Nice article…I remember reading something from Vince Lombardi (I think) along the lines of: Select players based on attitude, everything else is coachable…the Rosario 22 definitely has the right attitude…time will tell what will follow…

  • Lee Enfield

    Point 2 is the one that will us down. Deans will see out his tenure and let us not kid ourselves, a good spring and Lions tour, could very well see Deans re-appointed as coach till the end of the next RWC.
    As long as Deans is coach, I don’t think the Wallabies will improve their skills at international level. Under Deans, more players have gone backwards then forwards at international level. As such I think it is Deans who is the developmental brick wall for the Wallabies.

    In saying all that, it was a character win, and will have built confidence in those players. Considering they had maybe, 3 full days of training as a squad, I thought the win was a good one, warts and all.

    • LeftArmSpinner

      Lee, Robbie Deans got Beale fit for the first time and put him at 15. He found McCalman who went from Syd Uni to starting Wallaby in one year on the back of some dynamic powerful rugby.

      He gave chances to Cummins who looked at home immediately.

      He worked with Burgess to get the best out of him. He had Cooper playing great footy at 10 for the Wallabies until the Ritchie incident, injury and very poor mouth control rogered Cooper.

      There are a long list of guys he has identified and given chances to. For me, the players have frequently stepped up initially and then taken the foot off the gas.

      • Lee Enfield

        The problem with Deans is that he selects his next up and commer and sticks with them for too long, when it is clear they aren’t going to cut it. Horne, McCalman, Brown, Mafu etc.
        The next question is, why are those players who Deans has brought through, reaching a certain level and then either plateauing or troughing, few, have gone on to greater heights.
        The Wallabies have barely improved in any facet of play under Deasn in 5 years.

      • Jimmy

        Sorry Leftarm, don’t agree with your sentiments on Deans.

        He has had 5 years to build this team. Show me any modern era coach that gets that sort of time in this country with the national squad. Connolly had 2 and never experienced the “firsts” that Deans had subjected us to. The “firsts” are the losses to Samoa, the 2 losses to Scotland, the largest losses to SA, the 10 losses in a row to the ABs etc etc.

        We have gone from a team playing the most intelligent Rugby in the world to a team playing stupid footy. The scrum hasn’t yet been fixed, the lineout is worse than ever and rarely competes on opposition throws, we drop balls constantly, our attack is a disaster, our defence has become worse and our kicking is more imbecilic than tactical.

        There is internal fighting, team selections are inconsistent, the injury count has been blamed for losses for the last 4 years and key and new players are not improving as you would expect. Go back to ’08 and look at the first 2 games of the Tri-nations, then watch how we have played his year, and tell me if you think we have had any improvement. Robbie probably has his strengths, but I don’t believe that being coach of our national team is one of them.

        • johnny-boy

          Well said Jimmy. And if McKenzie is appointed the next coach then he should get no more than 3 years to have the Wallabies playing well. And if not then Cheika should be given 3 years. And then Foley perhaps.

  • ST

    Is Argentina now our benchmark? Sure the team was committed in this game, but there is still a long way to go in terms of basic skills, intelligence and fitness before I’ll start to be encouraged.

    • LeftArmSpinner

      ST, I agree with you. However, the article argues that the signs have been there for several games, not just on display last weekend.

  • LeftArmSpinner

    And it is relevant that the Aust schoolboys beat the NZ Schools last weekend in NZ. two years in a row, and four wins from the last 6 years.

    For the few schoolboys that get thro to Wallabies honours I expect that they wont fear the AB’s in the way that previous wallabies have.

    Having said that, it is amazing at how bizarre the schoolboy selections have missed some very good players. This is why so many dust. schoolboys disappear without trace.

    But, equally, there are some very good youngsters coming through and being groomed in Colts. just go and see one of these games. Outstanding.

    • the ardent b’stard

      that hasnt exactly translated into wonderful Under 20s success has it?
      Did you not count the handling errors and penalties in the weekend…hard to see that game being a base for anything.
      Reality needed.

    • All gold

      Now your trying to compare school boy rugby to test rugby.lol half these kids wont come through it’s fact, if you dont remember a few years back kurtley beale playing and liam gill played in a winning side, look at em nw,your telling me they dont fear the abs?its the development from there where it all goes wrong,the under 20s programe,no third teir competetion,i admire you for trying to find some light,but even bringing up the school boys is laughable.

  • barramundi

    IMO as neutral viewer the game showed big ticker from the Wallabies. Passion and grit are something that have been missing lately and when you get rid of ego you have a lot more room for mongrel. Its great to see the Aussies of old with backs against the wall and coming out on top. I would agree that these boys earned the tag ‘incumbents’ and Gold jersey’s should stop being given to players who won’t play the full 80 to repay the honor of playing for your counrty.

    • LeftArmSpinner

      lets hope that Robbie deans anoints the Rosario 22!!!!!! and then we will see just what the likes of the others have.

      Do you remember how well Drew Mitchell played after he had been dropped. barnstorming.

    • Jimmy

      Let’s hope that Ewan anoints the Rosario 22

      • LeftArmSpinner

        Jimmy, I would get the Pope to anoint them……….

  • LeftArmSpinner

    There is another aspect.

    Barnes, Cooper et al, in past games, have made some very big mistakes that put the team under pressure and have significant consequences.

    Do you remember Barnes fluffing two drop outs, and giving the Boks in Perth, a scrum feed on the 22 rather than having to run the ball back from deep in their own 22!!!

    And then there were the failed chip kicks etc. We didnt see these errors last weekend. As a result, the team was not placed under that pressure and played most of the game in the Pumas half.

    Yes, there were dropped catches and passes. This is an execution failure. Fluffing a short drop out starts first with a conscious decision to go with the high risk strategy of a short drop out and then poor execution.

    • johnny-boy

      Yeah it’s great the flawless genius Cooper career killer KB doesn’t make any such mistakes. Keep it up LAS you’re cracking me up. Gee next you’ll be saying Australia has depth and talent. What is the world coming too. Looking forward to the next article.

  • LeftArmSpinner

    Teh word from the Wallabies camp was that they had a lovely celebration of the win!!!!!!! For lovely, think massive, beer for the forwards and fine Argentinian wines for the backs together with massive beef intakes and all the other fringe benefits befitting a winning National team, all prior to the obligatory recovery session.

    They deserve it.

  • bludge

    you are smoking some wacky baccy there matey. good for you.

    classic wallabies journalism… one win = world beaters.

    • LeftArmSpinner

      Bludge, its a pattern. this is the critical word, p-a-t-t-e-r-n, matey.

      Bludge, you are showing the same tendencies of my Springer spaniel, Tugga, see the photo. He thinks that one incident is good enough for a pattern.

      Someone gives him some bacon and he expects it every time for the rest of his life.

      I wont go further with the analogy. I might offend you!!! LOL

      I prefer multiple games to create a pattern. In this case, go back 14 games and you will see the pattern.

      • BloodRed

        Sorry but you can’t claim the effort of one game is evidence of an established pattern.
        As much as I admired the gutsiness of the players (and only 20 were used not 22, as well Sharpe and Sheehan are not going to be there in the future, so perhaps Rosario 18?) the pattern is not one to be overly optomistic about if the current set up remains.
        Repeated inexplicable loses to teams we should put 50 points on. Struggles to win against teams we should beat well. Large loses against teams we should be within 5-10 points of at full time. Worst of all when we lose the Wallabies played like they haven’t had a chance at all.

  • Patrick

    Great piece but goes completely pear-shaped at this point:
    As soon as possible, Robbie Deans needs to do four things:
    wtf??

    Doesn’t this whole Rosaria 22 thing simply reflect that with every injury (to our selectors’ hare-brained first 22) our team gets better????

    Would Beale ever have gotten a run without injuries to BOTH Barnes and Cooper? Would Phipps have ever had the chance to develop without Genia being incapacitated? (after all, Beale and Lealifano put together easily the best passages of five-eighth play of any Australian all season and yet were hardly even considered in the line-up behind Barnes (known not to quite cut it), Cooper (out of practice and perhaps fragile) and JO’C (never actually had a good game there).

    How many backs were injured before Cummins even got a gong? (who wouldn’t rather Rob Horne in your team?)

    It was obvious from the get-go that Gill and Hooper needed a shot, but would either of them, especially Gill, had a chance if not for injuries?? (No, Dave Dennis would still be playing, or Timani, with AWH in the locks!!).

    FFS, step 1 is sack JO’N, step 2 is sack the team doctor/conditioning staff, step 3 is sack Deans.

    After that, all your other steps make a whole lot of sense.

    • LeftArmSpinner

      Patrick, lets not cry over spilt milk. Now we have the rosario 22, lets stick to it and the others can up their games to compete for their spot.

      MW, Slipper will go on to bigger things. Faingaa, the hooker, probs not. Dennis will be in the mix as he gets better and better and he is the incumbent!!!!, Gill/Hooper they are the future and will press pocock, Sheehan Sheeno is just plain lucky to even be in Argentina. Well deserved but I expect Stirzaker to come in very soon and he will compete for 9 with Phipps. , Tapuai definitely. he is a very promising player, Shipperley and Harris, yet, very different but both valuable. Harris is reliable. Shipperley is just 21 and a baby. could almost play colts!!!!!!!!!

  • mw

    The use of the name Rosario 22, I assume, is a loose one. I cannot imagine what contribution you think Faingaa, Shipperley, Sheehan and for that matter Douglas made to this game.

  • MyRugby Mate

    Congrats Wallabies, a wins a win (no matter how ugly).

    Bit out of context but, 20 Oct All Blacks v Australia (Brisbane), some questions…
    1. Who’s going to make the starting 15?
    2. What are our chances of winning?
    3. How are we going to win?

    Thoughts please…

  • Crazy Horse

    Excellent article. Hopefully Deans is thinking the same. The current team members ARE the incumbents. Anyone else needs to prove they are better right now to dilodge them. If only Sharpe could be persuaded to stay on and teach the yougsters about Captaincy.

  • Brumby Runner

    Like your optimism, but I can’t help thinking it’s just a re-run of the hype in the 2 years or so leading into the last WC. We were the youngest, most talented team in the world and almost lay down miseres to win the Cup. What happened? Deans changed the whole way the team played and we crashed out. Would bet the same will happen again if he remains.

    That said, I do think there is a lot of talent now available and still to come back from injury, and am looking forward to better results in future if coached properly. Add the likes of Morahan, Mogg, Speight, Tomane, Kingston, Lealiifano, Foley, White, Aelua, Fardy, Neville, Pyle, Palmer and Manu to the current team and the prospects are good.

  • English Dingo

    How many of these players will continue to be Wallaby matchday 22 men in the future? I doubt these players will: Slipper, Faingaa, Dennis, Gill/Hooper, Sheehan, Tapuai, Shipperley, Harris?

    This performance will have frightened nobody.

    • LeftArmSpinner

      What frightens them most is when the Wallabies play with passion and that never say die commitment. that is scary particularly when it is also armed with a decent pack and a quick back line.

  • Jets

    While I appreciate looking for the positives I just can’t agree. I think the Wallabies still look frail against a Puma’s team that put out a poor performance compared to others in the tournament. There is still no obvious plan in attack. The fact that we finally tried a back line move was great but we should be trying different options multiple times a game not once in the tournament.
    I think Rosario was a display of character from the players but it wasn’t an improvement in tactics or team play and that is the big issue that still hangs over the team while Deans and Co are there. We will be no chance against the All Blacks and will no doubt loose games on the critical end of season tour.

  • Alan

    great write up!

    i totally buy into the passion and gustiness of that squad the other night, alot of players who i never thought would come close to a wallaby jumper really stepped up which is only a good thing for our depth

    i just dont buy into the idea of Deans leading them, i think the majority of the points you raised will sadly never be addressed/happen.

    • LeftArmSpinner

      Alan,

      Lets face it, this is a turning point for everyone, Robbie Deans included. It has been a rough road for him and one I am sure he never fully understood prior to his arrival from the Canterbury system. He has made some bad decisions but now is the time to grab what is on offer and build it.

      Go forwards not backwards.

      • Alan

        i applaud your positive outlook bro! …ive just been left totally deflated and disillusioned with Deans’s wallabies. He has made many many awful decisions and his track record with us is appalling.

        its depressing to think he might be in charge against the Lions.. a massively important, one in 12 year occasion for us.

        is it a turning point for the wider squad? for Deans?
        I do hope so!

        time will tell…

  • Gooddog

    Its been said a million times but the bloke deserves it. Sharpie is an absolute Wallaby LEGEND. The bloke bleeds green and gold and if I was a player (probably a hard running 13, nifty with the ladies) I would be honoured to simply be in the same dressing room as him, pull on the gold (with a tear in the eye), follow him out on the field, belt out the anthem and line up next to him to face the Haka.

    In a perfect world Weary Dunlop would have come down from the skies after the Rosario game, told Sharpie to get on one knee, unsheathed the sword of Ballymore and given a battlefield knighthood to Sir Sharpie the Farkin’ Legend.

    I love this bloke so much that if gay, out of respect, I would not boof him.

    • LeftArmSpinner

      Finally, Gooddog, finally, someone has picked up on the Sharpe comments. Yep, he has been fantastic. a great leader who probably has an appalling win lose record, particularly at super rugby level……

  • Gunner

    Yes, interesting article, I wonder however if the selectors will retain Cummins for example – when the injured return. Will they be told to earn their spots, or waltz right back in. I also hope they don’t bring back the injured to play out of position.
    Wallabies may contend in a few years time but honestly even our best players would battle to make a world 15 – who if any would right now?
    IRB player of the year, my vote to Kieren Read, what a great player, so important a cog in the AB’s

  • stillatragic

    Great to see a positive article LAS. I applaud the Rosario 22. Commitment. Courage. Plain old fashioned guts and led by Sharpe who never takes a backwards step, and Hooper who must be made of tungsten.
    Mistakes a plenty but that is not the point of the article.
    Now the hard part – to allow a squad to settle into combinations and not have Deans or anyone else tinker.
    These WBs are not the finished product. Not even close. But they have potential if they are allowed to grow as a team. (But Shippley should be starting.)

  • Queenslander

    A good win under the circumstances but I need to vent on a side bar issue around where the game is headed. I heard today there was 14 minutes of the ball in play in the first half and 15 in the second.

    This season has been punctuated by seemingly endless scrum resets when the ball is past the lock’s feet, mindless kicking from the box to the grabber to the chip, excruciating pigs rucking it up a metre at a time, half backs meerkating at the base of rucks and pedantic refs who don’t manage the players rather fire the whistle off like a Bren gun.

    People are turning off. Now personally I am not interested in whether a mungo finds the game attractive or not and I couldn’t care less if the game expands into new lounge rooms, but I do yearn for the days of watching Peter Grigg score a double against the ABs in front of 50 000 true rugby people at the SCG but today’s rugby is quickly becoming unwatchable.

    I know this is heresy but as someone who has played, coached, administered the game for 40 years I am at the stage where I could miss a test and not bloody care and that shits me

    The Nth Hemisphere runs the show and loves penalty goals but the nation that built itself on running rugby has now become a reactionary follower of rugby styles from the North and barely fires a running rugby shot in anger these days.

    Help me I need counselling

    • Queenslander

      It could be as simple as the ELVs with bent arm penalties for most infringements and ridding ourselves of the scrum engagements but for f&@$ sake something has to give

      • TerribleTowel

        getting rid of scrum engagements would be a blow to running rugby. Guess what the set piece the Wallabies scored off in Rosario was. Yep, it was a scrum. Remember when the All Blacks torched us for two tries off set pieces? they were off scrums as well I believe you will find. There is no position that is more dangerous in attack than a solid midfield scrum 20 out. Unfortunately our scrum is not stable often enough for us to utilise it (the true tragedy of our scrum woes, not all those farking penalties, which are just lucky dips from clueless ex-backs refereeing scrums anyway), whereas a team like the All Blacks do.

        • Queenslander

          I have no probes with scrubs, love a good scrum. It is the repacks and amount of time it takes to complete one. Agree one on one in the back line leads to some good firstvphasenoptions. Just get the ball in play quicker

  • bill

    My bowel movements have the potential to evolve into a whole new intelligent species but I don’t feel the need to talk to them.

  • james

    Hmmm. Yes there was guts. But am I alone in thinking the only reason we won was because the Argies managed to cough up possession more often then us (some feat!)??

    I don’t want to be negative, but such praise for beating Argentina, I think we may be getting ahead of ourselves.

    As for calling this 22 the incumbent. How about for once we just pick players on form, don’t continue with experiments that don’t work and don’t arse players before time… I get what you’re saying but I fear it was thinking like that that led to the early end of George Smith’s international career. Yes we have depth at 7. But not at 6 or 8….

    And how can anyone be considering keeping Deans??? How can we forget so many blunders on the back of such little success.

  • Fulltime

    I like very much this Rosario 22 thingy. One thing to consider, I think, is that Deans maybe has not been his best because of that undercurrent idea of not trusting a Kiwi as a coach. Hope that it is a turning point … totally agree with the spirit of this article and especially with that bit ” they give it their best for 80 minutes, no matter what. I ask no more.”
    Gooooo the Wallabies.

  • Robson

    Mmmm, a turning point? Hope so, but don’t think so; at least not yet. The Wallabies have won many close tussles with their backs well and truly against the wall. But none of these have been against the ABs, and have also included some unfortunate losses to sides like, for instance, Scotland, Ireland and Samoa.

    I think that the gulf between the ABs and the rest is of giangantic proportions. Right across the park from players to coaches to strategies to game preparaton, they simply do not have a weakness and more frightening still – it looks like it’s settled in for a few seasons to come.

    So I applaud the launching of the Rosario 22 concept, but in reality we have got quite a long way to go; and to be successful that journey requires some big changes. As someone here once remarked – “the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result”.

    There has been no groundshift in anything Deans has done in four years and the Rosario 22 on Saturday was composed of a contingent which would be vastly different if the causualty ward was not full to overflowing. In other words the only thing that has forced a shift in the stubborn Dean’s mindset has been injuries.

  • muffy

    Jeez guys, we piss and moan because of gen-Y this, pride in the gold that…. (I am one of the worse offenders)… YET …we have a win, the boys dig deep and play with heart and courage to defeat a team at home that both the Hansen (fast becoming a dickhead Henry clone) and Meyer said would defeat us… and some here will still not allow us to enjoy it.

    Hooper, Higgers, and co, played a game any of the bygone gen – X players would have been proud of.

    Wallabies are – as LAS says – better for the experience.

  • danny

    All good stuff, but if someone like Two Dads puts his neck on the line to stop a try, I reckon he’s entitled to take his place in the side once he’s well.

  • Seb V

    I agree with everything, apart from 2 things. Proven Test performers like Pocock and AAC deserve there spots. Hooper is great but Pocock is on another level, he’s arguably the best player in the world. AAC is consistent in the gold jersey and puts his body on the line. I would say these guys can walk straight back in.

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