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Stunning Sunwolves sink rabble Reds.

Stunning Sunwolves sink rabble Reds.

Apparently, this is an Aussie conference derby game. Who knew? But with the idiosyncrasies of Super Rugby we should really not be surprised.

Two weeks ago the Reds scored their fourth win of the season with a shock defeat of the South African conference leaders the Lions, who had held the Waratahs to nil the previous week. This brought them into the game as clear favourites against the winless Sunwolves.

But…. out of the Lion’s den into the lair of the Wolves’. Reds supporters look away now.

First Half

Life did not start well for the Reds. After Ben Lucas had two box kicks charged down, the Sunwolves won a penalty at a ruck and Hayden Parker converted to take the home side into the lead within 2 minutes. Grrrrrrrr. Box kicks.

Kicking was causing some real issues for the Reds. Jono Lance kicked a clearing kick into Sam Wykes soon after the restart. The resultant scramble for possession put the ball over the touchline with a Sunwolves line throw followed quickly by a penalty against the Reds and the Sunwolves were up six nil in the 6th minute.

Eventually the Wolves were caught off side & the Reds went to a lineout 5 m out. After a painfully slow motion maul, Brendan Paenga-Amosa dived over to score a try. Once converted by Lance the Reds took the lead. Things were looking chipper.

It didn’t last long however with another Reds penalty handing the lead back to the Sunwolves through a Parker kick.

After a rare Sunwolves penalty another reds rolling maul got close to the try line. Lucas took his opportunity and dived over for the second of the Reds tries. Lance converted to take the lead back but things were not looking good for the Aussie side.

Another penalty allowed the Sunwolves to keep in touch on the scoreboard. And it wasn’t long before the Wolves had the lead back through some excellent rugby by Craig Millar and Grant Hattingh. Despite a clear forward pass in the interplay between the two the officials awarded a try to Hattingh. (I am a reds supporter. I am allowed to bitch at a marginal call.) But as Clarkie commented, the rugby was good enough to deserve a try with Millar running a great line to make the break and pass to Hattingh who had some work to do to get the ball down over the line.

Reds were feeling the pressure when the Sunwolves took the ball from a scrum and through a series of off loads put Parker over the line to add to his kicking scores. You can see Jamie Joseph influence all over the way the team plays. Parker converted his own try.

One more penalty by the Reds meant that Parker took the score to 29 – 14 at the half time break.

Second Half

Embed from Getty ImagesThe second half started as the first finished. Reds poor discipline handing Parker an opportunity to extend the Sunwolves lead within two minutes of the play restarting. Loose passing, poor handling, bad decisions, lapses in concentration, and lax discipline cost the Reds their opportunities. My exact comment in the first half after Parker had kicked his third penalty was “Discipline is going to sink the Reds if they keep handing Parker practise shots”. Oh, how I wish I were wrong. Once calls start going against you, all the calls start going against you. Flashes of brilliance are great but those flashes need to be converted into points. The Sunwolves on the other hand were disciplined and took every one of their opportunities. Each penalty within kicking distance was converted to points. A try to Hosea Saumaki out wide, converted by Parker, just added to the points, the lead, and the pressure on the Reds In the 67th minute, the Reds eventually put Angus Scott-Young over after bashing away at the Sunwolves’ line for 23 phases. However, the comeback was short lived with the Jason Emery intercepting the ball for the Sunwolves and dashing for the line. A high tackle by Duncan Paia-aua resulted in the awarding of a penalty try, and a yellow card for the perpetrator. Filipo Daugunu did get to show off his fancy footwork late in the game, with a runaway try down the touchline. It was all a little too late however. The Sunwolves scored a brace of tries through Saumaki to blow to score out for a 63 to 28 win. Not only did the Sunwolves score 50 points for the first time, they also came up with their highest score ever and beat an Australian team for the first time ever. Imagine my surprise when I turned around to see the Waratahs up 29 points to nil against to Crusaders. Embed from Getty Images

 

Sunwolves:                                                                                   

Tries: Hattingh, Parker, Saumaki (3), Penalty

CONV: Parker (5)

PENALTIES: Parker (7)

 

Reds:

TRIES: Paenga-Amosa, Lucas, Scott-Young, Daugunu

CONV: Lance (4)

PENALTIES: N/A

CARDS: Piaia-aua (YC)

  • Greg

    Oh dear…. Congrats to the Sunwolves.

    What more is there to say?

    • Keith Butler

      Hoowwwlll! Well deserved win for the Wolves.

  • redveincheese

    Woeful weds wacked by wolves

  • Raz Gat

    This, together with the tahs result is just too much… What’s the use in supporting teams that never win… Living in a twighlight zone. Wish I could just switch off and disconnect completly from the weekly frustration that is Aussie rugby. F*ucking dissapointing… 39 games in a row against ANY kiwi team… I can’t read these articles any more.

    When I started watching the wallabies and Aussie teams 20 years ago they would win these close games (at least half the time)… Now we LOSE every close game there is, inetnational or super rugby. Can’t win after 29 point lead!!!! What is going on?!

    • redveincheese

      Agree in principle but the effort from the tahs was admirable to say the least. The reds however, well that will do me for a while. The best it seems we can hope for is that maybe we have hit rock bottom and like a drug addict that has lost everything in an epiphany finally changes their ways. However It feels like we have been here many times before. So yes instead of suffering on in the face of continual disappointment it may be best to let go and walk away.

      • Keith Butler

        Much as I hate to say it, the Tahs can consider themselves hard done by. Moody should have been red carded for the elbow in Beale’s face in the lead up to his try. Missed by ref, ast refs and TMO all NZers. Time for neutral referees.

        • Huw Tindall

          Interesting to see of sighted post game

        • Raz Gat

          Unfortunately, it won’t matter, we still lost… The rest are just excuses as valid as they might be.

        • Keith Butler

          The Saders can do no wrong apparently. But the Tahs deserve a big kick up the arse for throwing this one away.

    • Fed

      How long will we blame the refs coaches and weather? Lol

    • John Tynan

      What’s the point? They are my team, as frustrating as that is.

  • Adrian

    Unfortunately I tipped this Reds result, and more or less the style of it. I didn’t think the margin would be so great.
    If Reds had, and/or used creative backs and/or fast passing halves, this could have been different. I don’t necessarily mean QC either

    • John Tynan

      They did have – but only once it was too late.
      In the second half we had Sorovi passing flat and hard from the base without the stutter step onto Stewart at first receiver and DPA outside him. At least we looked likely then.
      With Sorovi-Stewart-DPA-Kerevi you could actually see some potential and a development curve.
      Where do you go with Lucas-Lance-CFS-Kerevi? That’s got to be the definition of no further growth?

      In my world, it’s Sorovi-Stewart-DPA-Kerevi with QC at fullback.

      • Kiwi rugby lover

        Mate I agree 100% on the 9 & 10. Even against the Crusaders the Tahs looked much better with Phipps speed of pass and Sorovi has that in spades. I still don’t rate Kerevi as a 13. He lacks the skills needed to distribute the ball properly there and also defends better closer in where players have less room to manoeuvre.

        • John Tynan

          I see the same thing, but feel like you have to play him. We are better with him in than out, and he adds more than CFS.

      • Adrian

        Agree 100% John

  • Brisneyland Local

    SFR, thanks for a great write up of a most, most depressing outcome. Please dont read the rest of my post, as I dont want to offend you with the horrific language I am about to utilise. Here goes BL:
    – Firstly congrats to Adrian. You tipped this one. Well done.
    – Fuck me roman! That was appalling! LAst game you beat the top of the ladder, this week you whip 60 points to the bottom of the ladder! You are the Jeckyl and Hide of Aus rugby.
    – 15 years of Reds membership and 25+ years of supporting them, and I am now officially ashamed of supporting you! Calling you a bunch of fucktards is an insult to all the other fucktards out there.
    – Thorn, what ever you are doing, it is not working. We know you know what you are doing, but obviously you cant communicate it to your players, because they keep making the same fuck ups.
    – You have to put ego in check, and go and get QC back and have someone that can orchestrate attack. Because Lucas is fucking shit!
    – You shipped 60 + fucking points to the Moon Doggies. Which means you cant defend to save your miserable fucking pathetic rugby lives.Holy shit.
    – When you fly back into Brisbane, get that squad out on the paddock and drill them 15 hours a day. Until they can pass, kick, and tackle.
    – Apologise to all of the Reds fans. FOr being shithouse. For dissapointing us. For generally just blowing dog.

    Over to you GAGR’s. I have to try and calm down now before I go to the School Trivia Night Fundraiser! Arghhhhhhh

    • Adrian

      Thanks for congrats, and I wish I had been wrong on this game (and Tahs game)

      The lack of creativity is beginning to look like being policy,….and I’m (sort of) not joking. Possibly BT has something against right brain people…..they possibly give him the shits,…and he’s boss. I won’t go on with it now,…but this was coming I suggest

      • Brisneyland Local

        I agree. We are in more shot than the early settlers!

      • disqus_NMXfOrw5ot

        It seems to me that BT would make a great forwards coach, but should steer clear of anything to do with the backs, which unfortunately rules out head coach.

      • idiot savant

        Yep they are a dumb side. Or they are coached to play dumb.

      • Kiwi rugby lover

        Nice pick Adrian, just the spread a bit light. I think that BT hasn’t got good backing in the coaching and is having to do it all himself. They definitely need a good experienced coach there but one experienced in the good things not like that loser McGahan who’s experience is in how to fail.

        • Adrian

          In my experience, forwards often talk about backs being too flashy, lazy, “creative”, and more interested in their hairdo than hard work.

          We all knew that this was a JOKE, but I am beginning to think that BT actually does think this.

          Folau will be a flop with Reds, if there is no-one to set him up

    • Richard Patterson

      A very disturbing scoreline BL which highlights mental immaturity. Something any young, inexperienced side is going to experience.
      Reds have no choice but commit to BT. He was given the job 1-2 years too soon — but turfing him out prematurely will achieve nothing.

      • Brisneyland Local

        Yes and no. Depends on who you bring in to replace him!

        • Bernie Chan

          Link…!

      • Fed

        Fans can’t understand Brad Thorn’s logic so their logic states we gotta get rid of him… despite on the macro how far he’s brought the team in light of the last few. Crazy speak.

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          Let’s get real here, the Reds have had a few okay performances under Thorn, a few good ones and a lot of horrendous ones.

        • Fed

          So what were you expecting? And will changing 3 or so if the personnel have changed the poor performances?? Do you want to bring back Link too? Or do you have other options?

        • John Tynan

          You’re right, all three going is not the answer. However, a first year head coach supported by Paul Carozza – some club and NRC experience – and Tony Macgahan who probably has a record that looks like Richard Graham – reflects poorly on the Reds back room decision making.
          Unfortunately for them, one or both of Carozza and Macgahan have to be moved on to get some winning coaching experience and proper change management experience in the coaching team.
          For all the talk of changing cultures, very little besides lip service appears to be actually centred around change management besides BT belligerence and coaching a different style. They are looking for the outcome to create the process, rather than the other way around.

        • Fed

          That’s where I think the problems lay. In the office!!!

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          I see little evidence the team is better than last year, and all the young Reds forwards a year more experienced.

          I think it’s pretty clear Thorn won’t change his mind on the players he isn’t picking, and that Link won’t come back (but he should). Thorn obviously have to change his attacking philosophy, however, and be more willing to play expansive, creative rugby. The fact that the team can’t attack with Daugunu, Kerevi, CFS, Paia’aua and Perese in it is pretty bad.

    • Bernie Chan

      BT can be as angry as he likes..but he must wear some of the blame. He picked the 9/10/15 spine…slow passing #9, non creative #10, and a #15 that had never played fullback. Get QC back, put Lance at fullback..risk QCs defence ( he is doing fine in QPR..) for some creativity. Plenty of runners but no one that can create space or put a player into space. Can’t do friggin worse than this dross…

      • Brisneyland Local

        Concur Bernie!

        • Bernie Chan

          Since about 1976 I’ve been nothing but a red/maroon supporter…even in the dark days under Eddie Jones I still supported the Reds…but today was some kind of nadir. Why would a coach pick such an inexperienced guy to play fullback…that has never played fullback? Is it some kind of hubris, such that BT (who said early in the season a fit Lance would start at #10….) keeps sticking to ‘his guns’ despite evidence his plans are not working?

        • disqus_NMXfOrw5ot

          I have no problem with a coach trying something out like putting a player like Stewart at FB. As long as he has the traits, such as enough speed, good hands in the air, good tackling, good kicking, and the ability to counter attack, (I have no idea if he has all those?), the positional play is something you can pick up very quickly. But after last week, and this week, and all season, if BT50 doesn’t pick Stewart at 10 from now on, then he really is a stubborn thick skull (I’d like to see QC there, but I know that ain’t going to happen).

        • idiot savant

          Yeah the season’s gone. Theres no reason not to start getting experience into Stewart at 10. DPA should come back to 12 but I think BT is so stubborn that wont happen.

      • QC’s defence shouldn’t matter one iota when you just conceded 63 to the bottom of the table. Grow a pair, admit you were wrong and get him in Thorn.

        • Bernie Chan

          Can’t disagree…

      • John Tynan

        My tweak would be Stewart at 5/8, QC at fully.

        • Bernie Chan

          Well, Link had QC drop to fullback to return kicks as he thought QC could create counter attacks better than anyone else…

        • onlinesideline

          he did step conrad smith in a bled once as full black – remeber that ?

    • Kiwi rugby lover

      Hey mate. I had to leave this for a while as I was feeling the anger from here. You know if a team beats the top of the table one week and loses to the bottom of the table the next it says to me that there’s an issue with the players and their headspace more than anything else. I tend to agree that Brad Thorn’s inexperience and his pig headedness is showing but you can’t blame it all on him. After all he did get them up last week.

      To me the biggest issue I have with his decision on QC is that apart from a bland” we’re going in another direction” he hasn’t said why he doesn’t want him and I’d really like to know that. Personally I don’t have a problem with Hunt; a. he’s not as good as he’s portrayed and b. he’s a serial drug offender so fuck him. However, I was impressed with Quade’s attitude and the way he talked up the players last year and I think that with good leadership he could be brought into the team. I’d have him stay at 10 though and if he couldn’t tackle then friggenwell learn.

      I actually question the usefulness of Smith and Higgers. There is enough experience in these two alone to make sure the other players have their shit together and keep focussed. I don’t think that QLD is getting their money’s worth with either of these two players. I also question what impact if any McGahan is having. He proved a failure at the Rebels and he doesn’t appear to be making any good moves in Queensland either.

      • Adrian

        All good points KRL

        In this particular game what was highlighted was the difference in style (and size) between the sides.

        That’s why I thought that if ever there was a game the Sunwolves would win, it would be v the Reds,…..even though Reds had just beaten Lions.

        Overall there seem to be several things going on, including stubbornness, arrogance and personal dislikes for whatever reason.

        I don’t doubt that the Reds will win again this year, but they won’t become a winning team without a few creative players, ….who are usually backs, unless you count the late Artie Beetson or Cameron Smith

        • idiot savant

          Thorn made a point of criticising DPA for his high tackle and yellow card in the presser. I thought that was a really bad sign. DPA sprinted 30 metres to make the tackle and looked like he wanted to wrap the ball as his opponent was close to the line. The guy ducked back inside at that moment leading to the over the shoulder tackle (really soft for a YC). When you consider how many tackles Kerevi has missed this season or the tackle CFS missed that led to a try in this match, I found that statement from the coach astonishing in its favouritism. Favouritism can destroy teams and coaches. BT needs to pull his head in.

        • Adrian

          A shame, and beginning to be obvious. Duncan better start praying, or look like he is praying anyway

        • John Tynan

          Exactly how I read it, too.

      • Brisneyland Local

        KRL, completely agree! It is definitely the players headspace. Now that I have calmed down a little, it is not totally his fault. But he has to absorb the blame. He is the coach, the leader and the direction setter. There for the buck stops with him. Fuck I want him to succeed, but we are getting what we are getting, so there is obviously a problem between him and the players communication wise. They must understand their role, or the their plan. Because if they did, that dross wouldnt have occurred!
        Agree on Hunt. There is definitely a problem there. Dissapointed but happy to ship him.
        QC is another story. He wont say why he is out, he point blank refuses to give reasons, or say, fix this and you can come back! But he hasnt said that either. It has to be personal. And it is not just BT. MCGahn hates QC too, because of what happened when McGahn Was the Coaching Coordinator. Now he is at the Reds (after doing fuck all at the Rebs) both he and Thorn do not like QC, and that is well known and very public. So the headcoach and assitant coach, hate him. Yet he still wants to play there!
        Yep to the Higgers and Smith issue. Same same with slipper. Lots of experience there and they still cant guide them.
        Overall there are a lot of problems there, and not one of the coaching staff have a fucking clue, or the experience to fix it. In short we are fucked!

    • SuckerForRed

      See my comment above (or below).

  • Gipetto

    Did someone say the Reds signed Coach Concussion up on a long term contract so the Kiwis wouldnt get him! I will not be buying Reds tickets until the reign of stupidity is over.

    • Richard Patterson

      I sense the Kiwi’s would love to have BT. Just not certain it would be in a Head Coaching role – yet!

      • Habitual offender

        Id sense they love having him coach at the Reds

  • st saens

    Sh*t

  • Gottsy

    Fuck me, what a thing to wake up to. I knew it was going to be a tough game but that was just taking the piss. The sunwolves were outstanding in all areas of the game, but I feel like we did everything within our power to let that happen.
    I know we’re a very young team, but that was amatuer hour out there. Clueless in attack and defense, and getting dusted in set piece. This “different direction” that Brad Thorn has gone in appears to be backwards

    • onlinesideline

      didnt watch full match but the Smith bros absence seemed to be felt. They are bloody good scrummagers.

  • Gallagher

    Now I wanna see all those noobcakes that keep telling me we are fine, we don’t need hunt or cooper, we don’t need a coach that has a clue… What say you now you don’t have a 45min flash in the pan result against the Lions to prop up your terrible theories that we will be OK without big changes!?

    • Kiwi rugby lover

      Mate, I’ll be half of one. I don’t think you need big changes. I personally think that even after yesterday’s results the overall successes this year still put them ahead of where they have been in the previous 2 or 3 and like the junior players BT is learning on the job so bound to make some mistakes. I personally would like to see QC back but, and big but, only if he stays at 10 throughout the match. I wouldn’t have Hunt anywhere near the team as I don’t think you can ever trust a serial drug offender like him. I think changes are needed in the coaching but what the hell did you expect when you recruited McGahan who’s only skillset and experience is in being a losing coach? Get rid of that idiot and get in an experienced and credible coach/mentor for Thorn and things will get better.

      • Gallagher

        I won’t argue re Hunt, that’s understandable, I will argue with your comment “BT is learning on the job”, he ain’t learning anything, he’s proving he’s as unskilled as he is expected to be with his lack of experience, BUT he isn’t learning from his mistakes, he’s proving very stubborn, happy for it to be his downfall just quietly…

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          I personally hope he doesn’t fail but I agree it’s been a steep learning curve and he’s still behind it. I agree with BLL and the issue is having a weeny dick failure in McGahan as his mentor. I’m not sure what fuckwit thought bringing in someone so used to failing at the Rebels would help the Reds. Probably the same idiot that brought in Graham.
          His issue with Quade needs resolving but unfortunately there’s no one at the Reds with enough Emotional Intelligence to make it happen. Sort of typical of all Aus rugby at the moment and that is also unfortunate.

  • Simon

    Worse day of rugby ever – Reds cop a record flogging from a team that hadn’t won a game, Tahs manage to snatch defeat from the jaws of a hoodoo ending victory YET AGAIN, and I broke my arm badly in club rugby. Writing this at 4am post surgery in hospital in Dubbo!

    • John Tynan

      Sorry about the arm, mate, but good work keeping it sensible at 4am post-op! I’m battling to be coherent 24 hrs after the game.

    • onlinesideline

      speedy recovery mate

    • SuckerForRed

      Bugger. If you play for Dubbo I watched you train a few weeks ago. At least how you can support the bar for the rest of the season. ;-)

  • Ad-O

    Worst result in Super Rugby history for the Reds. Pathetic.

    • Harry

      Terrible result, but the 92-3 against the Bulls in 2007 was worse.

      • Alister Smith

        Yes agree it was worse but the Bulls were playing for second spot in the last game of the regular season while the Sunwolves were the last placed team in the conference and the competition…so almost on a par perhaps.

      • Ad-O

        Yeah, that was bad but the Bulls were a top team stacked with Springboks

  • John Tynan

    I will continuing banging my theme here again – we lost this at the selection and coaching table.

    During the game, I tweeted that it’s hard to believe we have been coaching and training for a territory game since pre-season in late 2017 – exits were shit house, with Lucas’ first kicks paving the way. Why the hell we would rely on a box kick from the base as an exit strategy from the 22?

    It might just be confirmation bias, but I just keep seeing the same things I’ve always seen from Lucas – a flaky pass, crap decision making and a stutter step to get any distance from his pass – when Lance plays so deep in the pocket, the defence are half way there by the time he actually passes.

    Poor old Stewart literally got thrown to the Wolves at full back. His positioning was poor and one of the godzilla tries was down to his instincts to look up and reposition to defend at inside channels rather than cover the winger that had made the last tackle.

    Why Lance went straight back into 5/8, rather than fullback -where he has played a number of times – befuddles me.

    CFS and Kerevi is not working. I held out hope for some kind of attacking structure that had Stewart and Lance working with Kerevi and CFS as some kind of Mungo hybrid left-right centre combo. But nope, not even, just the same old bash and crash, no duplicity and not even anyone running their dummy or supporting lines to MAYBE provide some confusion – the direct comparison to the way the Wolves backline operated is stark and embarrassing.

    And to loop back to the coaching – WTF is going on with the Reds tackling technique? There were a number of marginal things that this week luckily didn’t impact our numbers on the field, but are going to bite one day. DPA got a slice for his effort which at least was excusable (and marginal IMO) coming across hard in cover and having to smother the ball. Look at where (I believe) CFS injured himself towards the end of the first half and he is lucky he didn’t make decent contact with a tucked arm rushing out. Across the team though, continually too high and with poor technique.

    My one pearl out of the swine’s muck that was this game – the replacements had a notable impact, albeit in a loose game and chasing the play. The intensity went up around the park, albeit at the expense of set play. If it were a tight contest, the likes of Hoopert and Hocking would get eaten up in pressure scrums at this stage of their career. However, I reckon the replacements made a better fist of it than the starting team, and then it’s back to my well-beaten drum that I started with.

  • idiot savant

    I expected the Shinto Buddhists to beat the Christian Fundamentalists but not as comprehensively. When I saw the way the Reds had no answer for the Tahs style of moving the ball very quickly I knew that they would struggle against all sides who play this way. The Reds are a big unit, particularly their centres, so they are slow to turn and sides that move the ball quickly wide and then cut back in will open them up. I shudder to think how many points the Canes will put on them.

    You’d think BT would know that Japanese rugby is very fast as he played there and we have seen many players slot right back into super rugby or test football from Japan and not be off the pace. Yet BT did not appear to have prepared his side for a fast game. He still wont take responsibility for his selections and blames the players instead. BT chose Stewart at fullback. One of Saumaki’s tries came from Stewart’s inexperience in that position. Daugunu got caught in a ruck and instead of replacing him in his defensive position, Stewart ran back infield leaving the door wide open.

    Duncan P showed some real energy and flair in attack but looked isolated as if the rest of the side weren’t coached to back up and look for the offload. I saw enough to want him back at 12 permanently but I doubt BT will. I look forward to the return match to see if BT has learnt anything about how to play sides that move the ball very quickly.

  • Mike Thomson

    QC…please.

  • onlinesideline

    I can see it now – QC gets a call back, creates a fine win and gets the back line humming again. Afterwards he goes, “Im just grateful to get the opportunity to wear the red jersey again” – hahaha – its all so predictable

  • John Tynan

    I got flagged as spam yesterday (which may be the case), but too much effort with the two fingered typing to waste it. Read on, dear reader, read on…

    I will continuing banging my theme here again – we lost this at the selection and coaching table.

    During the game, I tweeted that it’s hard to believe we have been coaching and training for a territory game since pre-season in late 2017 – exits were shit house, with Lucas’ first kicks paving the way. Why the hell we would rely on a box kick from the base as an exit strategy from the 22?

    It might just be confirmation bias, but I just keep seeing the same things I’ve always seen from Lucas – a flaky pass, crap decision making and a stutter step to get any distance from his pass – when Lance plays so deep in the pocket, the defence are half way there by the time he actually passes.

    Poor old Stewart literally got thrown to the Wolves at full back. His positioning was poor and one of the godzilla tries was down to his instincts to look up and reposition to defend at inside channels rather than cover the winger that had made the last tackle.

    Why Lance went straight back into 5/8, rather than fullback -where he has played a number of times – befuddles me.

    CFS and Kerevi is not working. I held out hope for some kind of attacking structure that had Stewart and Lance working with Kerevi and CFS as some kind of Mungo hybrid left-right centre combo. But nope, not even, just the same old bash and crash, no duplicity and not even anyone running their dummy or supporting lines to MAYBE provide some confusion – the direct comparison to the way the Wolves backline operated is stark and embarrassing.

    And to loop back to the coaching – WTF is going on with the Reds tackling technique? There were a number of marginal things that this week luckily didn’t impact our numbers on the field, but are going to bite one day. DPA got a slice for his effort which at least was excusable (and marginal IMO) coming across hard in cover and having to smother the ball. Look at where (I believe) CFS injured himself towards the end of the first half and he is lucky he didn’t make decent contact with a tucked arm rushing out. Across the team though, continually too high and with poor technique.

    My one pearl out of the swine’s muck that was this game – the replacements had a notable impact, albeit in a loose game and chasing the play. The intensity went up around the park, although at the expense of set play. If it were a tight contest, the likes of Hoopert and Hocking would get eaten up in pressure scrums at this stage of their career. However, I reckon the replacements made a better fist of it than the starting team, and then it’s back to my well-beaten drum that I started with.

  • SuckerForRed

    Look at this. I turn my back for a few…. days…. and you all start yelling. So a few comments in no particular order……

    Brisneyland Local, you have no idea how much I worked at not swearing. Believe me the first draft would have been X rated.

    Contrary to a lot of people commenting on here, I actually like the Kerevi / CFS centre combo. No it is not perfect and maybe not suitable to all opposition, but they are settling into a good combination. The trick now will be to get the rest of the back line right…..
    9 – As much as I love Benny to death…. I think that he is more suited to a bench position as he can be solid cover for a number of positions. Sorovi has been playing really well and I am not sure why Tuttle has been dropped but they are both good players who should be able develop in to excellent players.
    10 – The future is Hamish Stewart. However…… He is very very very inexperienced. And most definitely NOT a full back. If there were a better option in the squad then you would be having him come off the bench. My thought would be, as some others have suggested, to have him start at 10 and Lance at 15. That way at least there is an older cooler head to take the pressure off. And before it is said DP is not a 10 either. Having QC in the squad to mentor Hamish would also be good, but, like Bernie Larkem, can you really “coach” instinctual play?
    11/14 – I think Daugunu is a lock. Yes he gets himself out of position a bit but his positional play has been improving this year so I think that by this time next year he will be much better than the other options. His speed, footwork and relative strength is flummoxing many opposition players. He also gives another decent kicker on the ground. The other side….. Perese is probable going to be the best option even though wing may not be entirely his natural position. I think if he was given a roaming role like how Diggers used to play with QC, he would be able to make some metres and do some damage. DP is to slow. Eto is off OS. I am not 100% on who else is in the squad.
    15 – My kingdom, my kingdom for a fullback. No. Hunt is not suitable. Tell your story walking mate. Lance would be a reasonable stop-gap but he is off at the end of the year too. QC – maybe, would need time to settle into the role full time. DP – no idea. Perese – Maybe. Haven’t really seen him play there but does alright on the wing. Jordan Petaia – Way to inexperienced at the moment but maybe we should look at getting him in there. Adian Toua – You reckon QC is unreliable…. Adian frustrates me. At times he plays so well you want to keep him there forever & then……. well it just all falls apart. Also I would love to see a fullback with a half decent kick. Maybe give Daugunu a run there.
    12/13 – I will deal with this just because I can hear you all screaming at me for my comment above. I do think that Kerevi and CFS are becoming a good centre pairing. Against the right opposition…… I agree with many of you who have said that they are no good against quick mobile opposition, and I would probably agree, but it all comes down to what game plan you want to play. Maintain possession, scare the daylights out of the midfield, run straight and plant some big hits – they are you go to men. If you want an attacking mid-field that is more than running straight at opposition, then you would be better looking elsewhere. As I said earlier – is going to come down to the back line around them. We need other who can put them in holes. But, what are the alternatives. DP’s best position IMO is 12. And maybe we should be having him permanently there and trying to work out who is the better 13 to combine with him. Perese’s best position is 13. Again IMO. But I would be unlikely to have a centre pairing of DP & Perese. Maybe we need to start working on seeing if DP/CFS or Kerevi/Perese work.

    As to the forwards. Don’t be to hard on Hockings and Hoopert. FFS they are babies! Neither of them are 20 yet and, all other things being equal, should be holding the tackle bags this year. As with BT, they have been promoted before their time. I don’t know why the Smith Twins were not in match day squad either. I know that Ruan was in Japan with the squad (not sure about JP), so was it just a selection error? Did the coaching staff not take the Sunwolves seriously enough and decided to give some of the young blokes a run. Beats me. Like many of you, I thought that the balance in the forwards has been pretty good, so not sure what has triggered the changes unless there are some injuries that we don’t know about or maybe a rotation policy.

    Many of the comments were also pointed at what, from the outside, appears to be a lack of leadership in the squad. And part of me agrees. There are enough older experienced guys in the squad to lead the way, so what is the problem? IS there a problem? I don’t know how many of you follow Beau Robinson now that he is in the business world. He has a blog also called “The blog of a Battler coming good”. It is a good read. Anyway, in March is put a post up titled ‘We need leaders, not captains’ about the issue he was having in his role as coach for the Dubbo Kangaroos. Maybe we need to get all of the Reds squad to read it as it has some very salient points about leadership and “roles”. Do yourself a favour and look it up and have a read.

    There is definitely something amiss in the coaching team. I do believe that BT has been promoted before his time but what is done is done. I don’t think that it is going to help changing head coach again. I will never understand why McGahan was signed on….. An attack coach is need stat! Or if we have one of those…. get them to do their job.

    As many of you have mentioned it looks like there are some issues in the headspace of the players. Is this a coach thing, or a player thing, or a support staff thing? Yes the players are young, and in some cases I would say too “young”. Maybe not in numerical age but definitely in maturity and experience. If the squad is learning from the tough times they are going through at the moment then they will be all the better for it in future years. If we can keep them together. I understand that you are not going to be able to keep all of a squad together, but if the majority are still there is 2 or 3 years time they will be hitting their straps. That is how we got 2011, by keeping the majority of the squad together for a number of years. Improvement is all I want to see this year & next.

    I was also going to talk about some of the match statistics, but that might be for another time. I started looking at them and got despondent all over again.

    • Brisneyland Local

      SFR, I am so glad that you were as angered as I, and a whole lot of other fans. Am so impressed that you were able to with hold your bad language, unlike this potty mouth!
      – I am with you on Sorovi, he looks like an exciting player. Share the position with Tuttle we may see some development.
      – Bring QC back for the rest of the season and have the young fella under his mentorship, and bring him off the bench at the 60 min mark to gain some game time and development.
      – DP/CFS and Kerevi/Perese is a good partnership pairing.
      – OUr forwards are getting there, they just were absent against the Moondoggies.
      – Speaking of the Moondoggies, werent they great? Yes we did under estimate them. I think regardless of all of the pregame talk, the Reds thought they had this one in the bag, and then just blew it.
      – Thanks for putting me onto Beau’s blog, am reading it now.
      – SFR, remember there are lies, damn lies and statistics. Also remember that 92.345562634% of statistics are actually made up on the spot!
      – I am leaving the coaching bit alone. Still too grumpy.
      As always thanks for your great reports. Intellectual and engaging repoitore!

      • SuckerForRed

        Beau is also doing some business coaching on facebook which I am following with interest.
        Thanks for you kind words. I do like to pose questions in my writing so that people will respond and think about the answers. You never know one day someone higher up the food chain might read and take note of the suggestions.

        • Brisneyland Local

          SFR, I think that you would be a great facilitator for the process. But sdaly I dont think the luminaries of RA read these sites. Heaven forbid the see what the Hoy Piloy think of them!
          But hopefully one of their staff might at least tell them about it.
          Keep up the great work!

        • SuckerForRed

          Ha! Three problems for me being the facilitator:
          1. I have breasts not testicles.
          2. My old school tie is the wrong colour and stripe configuration.
          3. The Honesty I would bring to the role would be abrasive and upset people.
          Other than that, I should be good to go. :-)

        • Brisneyland Local

          Not three problems, but three advantages:
          1. I am no expert, and this is hypothetical, but owning and running a number of medium to large size companies, in my experience the best facilitators are usually women. Higher EQ generally delivers a better outcome.
          2. For RA that might be a problem. But I think being an outsider has its definite advantages.
          3. Well upsetting them and being abrasive is a good thing. I would completely offed and distrub them!
          Crack on I say SFR!

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