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The Tuesday Top 5

The Tuesday Top 5

Hi all and welcome to the Top 5. I considered only doing a top 2 this week, as only 2 of the Aussie teams played, but it looked a little slack so we went with more. I’ve given you the usual good, bad and ugly, grade all our teams who played, look at a few facts, bring the TMO under review, consider how watchable games are, and why and throw some of the best tries of the round at you.

The Good, The Bad and The Ugly

Good – The Rebels bounced back after their loss to the Tahs and again were back to scoring some pretty decent tries. Its good to see them back on form and it certainly has heightened the anticipation for the first Kiwi game for an Aussie team this season.

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Bad – I don’t know what those who were responsible for coming up with the draw this year were thinking – were they thinking? Am I the only one who thinks it was poor scheduling to have just 2 Australian teams playing in a round, and only one of those at home? We had the Rebels on Friday night then sometime Sunday we could catch a replay of the Reds game (unless you were willing to stay up/get up at 2am to watch). Not a great way to make rugby more appealing to those who are on the fence about the game. Especially with the other codes going on this weekend. I don’t know how much input RA had into the schedule, but it doesn’t seem to be in the best interests of Australian rugby.

Ugly – In somewhat of a quiet affair the new Wallabies forwards coach has been appointed. I am not sure how some of the good performing forwards coaches that are on shore were over looked but personally I don’t think it’s a good thing when you see the appointment of a coach to the Wallabies that has 4 years of Top 14 rugby coaching and most recently in the Pro D2 and has been out of the country for over a decade. Even more so when the Biarritz and Top 14 supporters are asking the same questions about what he could possibly bring in Rugby forums and suggesting better alternatives. Biarritz don’t seem to be too bothered about releasing him 2 years early from his contact.

Report Card

Rebels B+ The Rebels were back to their winning ways against a fairly poor Sharks outfit. The Rebels heaped the pressure on in attack and stifled most of the attacking opportunities by the Sharks. One area of the Rebels game that they will definitely need to work on before they meet the Hurricanes is their tackling. They had a poor rate again, at just 75%, which at least was an improvement on their 67% the previous week. But it’s hard to imagine the Hurricanes not punishing a team who don’t make their tackles. So the Rebels better be doing their tackle training.

Reds C They didn’t get the win, but still walked away with a bonus point, which is something at least. Considering they were 18-0 down at one point and actually had a chance to take out the game after the siren, they can’t be classed as bad. So they get an average mark. There was nothing really outstanding about their game, but nothing terrible. Their all-powerful scrum is starting to crumble a little, but they are scoring tries again and not relying solely on penalty kicks.

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Facts and Tid Bits

Just for something different I thought we’d throw some interesting facts at you. Nothing of ultra importance, just things we found to be interesting.

Did you know that no South African team has won on the road this year? 6 rounds in. Even the Aussies are doing better than that (only marginally though). The Rebels and Brumbies each have one away win (against the Sunwolves), While the Reds have a win and the Tahs have a draw.

Meanwhile no Aussie team has lost at home. Yep, we have won all of our home games, be they against local or international opponents.

Going back to South Africa for a moment, listening to their fans reminds me a lot of listening to Aussie rugby fans last year. There are calls for du Preez to get the sack from the Sharks for their terrible performances (Gibson, McGahan, Stiles anyone?) There are a LOT of unhappy fans. Sharks fans in particular, apparently they were favoured over there to be the top SA team this year.

How weird is the form of teams this year? Take the Jaguares for example. Absolutely ripped it up against the Waratahs, totally fell to pieces against the Reds, then flipped again to play great rugby against the Lions. To a lesser extent we have the Rebels, going along swimmingly then bang! Smashed by the Tahs, who in turn had only just been smashed by the Jaguares. Talk about unpredictable!

Koroibete cant stop Bryce Hegarty scoring in the corner.

Koroibete cant stop Bryce Hegarty scoring in the corner.


Tales of the TMO

This round we saw a number of involvements from the TMO. Some resulted in decisions we agreed with, some we didn’t (depending on which team you supported) Again, the old favourite of control v downward pressure reared its head. We live in hope that at some point World Rugby will clarify or better yet simplify the laws. But in the meantime, the general rule of thumb is A player must either

  • Touch the ground with the ball – the player touches the ground with the ball while holding it in the hand or arms. No downward pressure is required.
  • Press down on the ball – if the ball is on the ground in the in-goal area the player must apply downward pressure “with a hand or hands, arm or arms, or the front of the body from waist to neck inclusive”.


This one was awarded a try, then suddenly we were watching footage of a breakdown. There was a bit of debate about this one at the time, it does look like a Sharks player got a finger to it before the Rebels player on the ground touched the ball. But why did it take so long to check it, and who decided to check it? The referee awarded the try immediately, was it the AR or the TMO who requested the check?

Remember the old days when we all had black boots but different socks? Well now we have evolved to all having fluro orange boots and pretty much identical socks. Evolution hey! After initially calling no try, the TMO actually decided to re-check the footage, and a good thing he did too. The orange boot he saw go out, that he thought belonged to Ben Lam, actually belonged to one of the defenders. Thanks to the double checking, the TMO awarded one of the tries of the round.

Why was that so hard to watch? 

Friday night, prime time, 8 tries scored, a win for an Aussie team; all the things you want as a rugby supporter, right?

But it had me confused and wondering if my beer was defective or something. Concluding it was unlikely a beer issue I turned to Mrs Mst and asked, was that me or was that game hard to watch? She nodded her head and agreed. After short discussion neither of us managed to explain why.

Over the weekend I pondered why? Again, the discussion was opened and we started to identify a few things and we stated to realise it was not just one thing but many things. Looking back at the game there were many elements that are parts of the whole package.

Now, before Rebels supporters jump to conclusions in anticipation of where I am going with this I want to make it clear that generally that the way the Rebels played and their performance was mostly positive.

As I dissected the game and started looking for the elements it’s not hard to start with the commentary.  It didn’t take long until the inevitable Wallabies selection talk started. Out spewed the verbal diarrhoea about the “this” game super stars. Do we care 3 months out from international rugby? Do we want to hear the constant Wallaby centric babble while watching super rugby? It’s amazing, I can watch the Kiwi game and its rarely discussed other than a fleeting comment. The passing comment that Super Rugby is nothing more than a selection trial for the Wallabies very much seems to ring true and really devalues Super Rugby.

But then we have our experts or side line commentators. They usually stand between the 2 teams, at the venue which they have travelled to, with the game being played right in front of them. So, I was super impressed that 2 weeks running Natalie Yoannidis could not only not be able to correctly name the teams playing but managed to make comments containing seemingly random information that made no comprehensible sense.

Then there was the work experience kid; AKA the [alleged] referee. Line out balks, forward passes, high shots…..obviously didn’t want to interrupt the flow of the game. That is when he could actually get the Rebels to play as they did a magnificent job at slowing the game down at some points to a painful level. Then we had the TMO decided to have his cameo and reinterpretation of the rules; that was the ones that were being applied. Um, sort of.  I feel sorry for anyone new to the game as they would have been wondering if the rules are made up week to week.

So it’s pretty clear this is not about the way the Rebels played.

But that doesn’t help with the fact that if it’s hard to watch then who will want to watch it? That question led me to some uncomfortable home truths we as a game need to contemplate.

The Rebels attracted a crowd of 8393 which is concerning noting they have a population of over 4.5 million to work with. Of more immediate concern was the ratings. The Top of the table Rebels at home, in the prime-time slot for most of the Eastern states only attracted 2000 more viewers than the all Kiwi affair played at 5:30pm on Saturday.

Read in to it what you will but it does tend to suggest that people are wanting to watch good rugby first and foremost.

Beyond that the Rebels, even with their good performances don’t appear to be attracting much interest. Maybe some of the other factors I mentioned above are contributing to that or are the divisive ramifications that RA was warned about now coming to reality?

Performance or product? Whatever the reasons one thing those rating are telling us is that Aussie rugby is at times hard to watch and not that attractive; and certainly not appealing.

Tries of the Round as voted by us

There were some simply brilliant tries this weekend, highlighting the skills, smart thinking and intuitive play of those involved

This one highlighted a number of skills Barrett has. Kick, chase, gather – some may say he got a lucky bounce, but with skills like his luck doesn’t come into it much.

From the same game we see Ben Lam being barrelled over the sideline by about a dozen Highlanders players – all with the same colour boots! But thanks to the TMO deciding to have another look, we have another great try.

More kicking, from the Jaguares this time. Should we be surprised they have some smooth soccer skills?

A shame it came so late in the match, but this length of the field, solo try to Daugunu was pretty awesome.

The Rebels get in on the action too, with this great long range, team try finished off by Meakes.

And I’ve saved the best (in my opinion) for last. Vince Aso scored an absolutely brilliant try in the corner with all sorts of acrobatics involved. This has to be a contender for try of the year, and not just for the spectacular finish. The lead up work was also outstanding.

  • McWarren

    Thanks MST.

    I was thinking the same about the lack of games during the weekend. Add to that this weekend we have two games involving Aussie teams, over a 4 day weekend. Madness. I think the Reds have had byes two Easter’s in a row now.

    How good was the pass from Coleman in that Meakes try?

    I must say watching the Canes game I didn’t think the intensity was as high as previous years. There were quite a few errors and poor defence. I came away from that game thinking at present the Reds and Rebels wouldn’t be too scared to face either team. With the right attitude in defence and not kicking the ball away we can beat them.

    I get what your saying about Aussie games not being the best. I think the commentary and crowds have a lot to do with it. If you had a packed AAMI stadium on Friday with crowds screaming I reckon the game would have seemed more entertaining. Let’s throw open the gates to the kids and parents and students and start making some noise.

    • andrewM

      Aren’t the Rebels pretty much doing that already?

      • McWarren

        I don’t know are they? If so great.

        • Perth girl

          88 dollar memberships, free tickets for senior club players and juniors free tickets for hangers on and they can still only attract just over 9000 from 4.5 million population. Its just not sustainable for RA and the Victorian taxpayers who are footing the bill

        • McWarren

          I understand your hurt with regards the Force being dropped but taking it out on the Rebels is moronic and corrosive. I think the majority would rather the Force were still playing and I remain skeptical as too whether the cutting of the Force has improved this years results as some in the Sydney and Brisbane media would have you believe. But as stated elsewhere they were fighting against AFL, A-League, Grand Prix, NRL and the fact that of that 4.5million people many are children, elderly, not interested in sport at all, away in holidays, sick, working, genuinely anti rugby people, at a wedding, on a date at the races or just too lazy. I wonder how the force would fare if on game day the crows and Fremantle were playing, a Grand Prix was in progress, the glory, the wildcats and the races were going on.

          I’ve been an ardent supporter of the fight to save Force, just as I wanted to save the Rebels. You have focussed all your bile on the Rebels, forgetting that it was the ARU that canned the Force. I’m yet to be convinced that if the Force had received the same preferential treatment from the ARU that they would have declined it as the right and honourable thing to do.

        • Perth girl

          Why have you said I am taking it out on the Rebels? I have only mentioned Clyne and his cronies on the RA board and the Victorian government that are bankrolling the team If you had sat in on the 2 senate hearings held in Perth as I did and listened to Pulver, Clyne and North spin their lies you would feel like me and many others over here.. As for the public not turning up for games for various reasons these would apply in any city apart from the GP of course

        • jamie

          Really? What NRL games, Soccer games, and 5 AFL games did Perth have on?

          I was at the footy Friday night otherwise I would’ve been at the Rebs game…

        • Kevino

          Sick to death of this crap with crowd numbers from WA fans, your not that great. Proof is in the numbers so lets go their shall we.

          Round 2 2018 Rebels v Reds – AAMI Park. 10,210

          Round 2 2017 Force v Reds – NIB Stadium 7008

          Opening home games for both teams a season apart against the same team. Rebels had a bigger crowd..

          And as for the Senate hearings, I’ll give you a point of advice. When your politicians don’t even realise it’s called an international competition instead of national comp they have lost all credibility with in there opening statement. She should of at least done the research.

        • Perth girl

          Melbourne population 4.5 mill Perth population 2.5. As for the Senate hearings if you think the most important thing to come out of them is that the senator didnt know much about the comp format thats a shame, aren’t you at all worried about the money that has been poured into the rebels at the expense of grassroots rugby?

        • Perth girl

          Ps kevino I dont need your condescending “advice” but thanks all the same

    • Kokonutcreme


      The draw was structured this season to play the transtasman matches later and not at the start of the season as previously. Add in the Sunwolves, derby games and bye rounds there was always going to be gaps in the first month with fewer Australian teams featuring.

      It will change once transtasman games start.

  • Jason

    Bit harsh on the Reds, getting a bonus point in the second game on a tour of South Africa is a pretty impressive feat! Let alone after the travel debacle.
    To do it from 18 down is even more impressive. I’d say C+ at worst — they came away with a bonus point loss that’s gotta be a C+ at worst.
    Then when you take into account all the circumstances and the rest of their tour you could bump that up to a B/B-. And for the overall tour they should get an A- a win and a bonus point isn’t quite Kiwi levels of good but it’s very good for the Reds all things considered.

  • Kiwi rugby lover

    MST I love your work. The Tuesday Top 5 is always a favourite for me. I think your marks are pretty spot on. Maybe the Reds could do with a + seeing as they did get a bonus point in their loss but a minor issue really.
    I actually enjoyed the Rebels game, I think the TMO was a bit overbearing though and I think how the TMO is used is still a bit of a work in progress. The Sharks were pretty crap but for the Rebels to bounce back after the smashing the week before is pretty impressive.I am really looking forward to this week against my team.
    Mate that first little kick and catch by Barrett was just outstanding. I get what people say about pressuring him into mistakes but a guy who can kick a ball into his own hands when fronted by 3 opposition players and then run away to score doesn’t really have too many issues. I am not as impressed by his brother as some of the journalists in NZ. He needs to sort out his kick catching in particular and some of his forced passes before he’s ready to move up. Personally I don’t think he’s anywhere near Ben Smith standard and we have other better wingers so I’d be surprised if he’s anything more than a bench player for the Abs this year.

    • Brumby Runner

      Hard marking on young Barratt there KRL. Only a year or so out of U20s, one year of SR experience, and you want him to be as good as Ben Smith already? Just to be regarded as second best to Smith is a huge accolade in my book.

  • Metootootoo

    Thanks MST – just a few comments about the task the Rebels had getting a crowd last Friday night. The following is a list of what they were up against over the weekend with numbers when I can find them (rounded).

    Thursday Night:

    – Richmond/Carlton 90K
    – Storm / Cowboys 13K

    Friday night:

    – Essendon/Adelaide 43K
    – Melbourne U/Adelaide (NBL Final 3) DK but crowd coming out of Hisense (directly opposite AAMI) looked like at least 5-6K
    – Rebels/Sharks 9K


    – AFLW GF 7K (depressed by what passes for a biblical deluge in Melbourne these days)
    – Hawthorn/Collingwood – 58K
    -St Kilda/Brisbane – 24K
    – Melbourne City/WSW – DK (who cares)


    – Geelong/Melbourne – 54K

    Add in the Grand Prix+ Supercars on Friday/Saturday and Sunday – no idea but on TV the crowds looked pretty good.

    It was also the opening round of the VFL

    The Rebels have to stand on their own, but the above gives some sense of the hill they have to climb that non- Victorians may not appreciate. Next week on Good Friday they will get a few local Canes fans who crawl out of their bunkers once very two years but now that the AFL also have a game that day and the fact that the rich end of town will be off to the coast for the long weekend I don’t expect the numbers to much different.

    One other factor is that unlike in Sydney/ Brisbane and Canberra we do not get free public transport with a ticket. Given that a lot of the islander communities live in outer suburbs that makes coming to the footy a pricy night out fort families (no matter how low the ticket prices are set for GA).

    It may not come across on TV but the atmosphere in AAMI Park on Friday night was great. The amplification effect of the roof with the stadium only a third full was still great. I was in the SFS last weekend when the Tahs only got just over 11K (in the spiritual heartland of rugby!) and even when they were winning the atmosphere was pretty dead.

    Anyway – bring on the Canes. Go Rebels

    • Perth girl

      All that should have been taken in to account when the ARU “decided” to keep the Rebels instead of the Force, but we all know that notning would have stopped Clyne and his cronies from having their own personal team in Victoria even if the coaches and most of the players came from the Force!

      • jamie

        Maybe they just took into account that the Rebels had more members…

        • Perth girl

          Have they? Do you have any numbers?

  • David Creagh

    I am finding the Australian Super Rugby games increasingly harder to watch. For a number of reasons:
    1. Phil Kearns and Greg Martin have lost all objectivity and any illusion in the early days of impartiality is lost. The parochialism is now past the funny stage. Kafer is heading in the same direction.
    2. Can we not have Tim Horan commentating any Warrtahs games any more. His obsession with Hooper, Foley and Folau is sickening.
    3. The quality of the Rugby. Looking at the Kiwi games then immediately following the Australia games just highlights how far we are adrift of the pace.


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