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Thursday’s Rugby News

Thursday’s rugby news has the Wallabies hoping to break Pretoria hoodoo, Rugby can learn from AFL, Nathan Charles signs with Clermont and calls for Steve Tew to resign.


Pretoria Hoodoo

Wallaby back Henry Speight says the Wallabies will be looking to break their hoodoo at Pretoria.

The Wallabies have lost all six matches they have played there but Speight has conquered it before with the Brumbies in 2013.

“I’ve played a fair bit here. It’s been good and bad,” Speight said.

“Pretoria was good to us in 2013 on our run to the finals for Brumbies.

“It’s a hostile environment and a hostile place to play and our record is against us but we’re looking to change that this weekend.

“It’s a mixture of everything – the atmosphere, the fans are pretty vocal there and they really get behind their teams. The Springboks won’t be any different this weekend.”

Rugby Can Learn form AFL

The Wallabies new skills coach and former VFL player Mick Byrne says the Wallabies can learn from AFL.

The Wallabies had a AFL flavour to their training this week as they prepare to take on the Springboks this weekend.

“There is an influence around all the different codes and the AFL handling, spatial awareness, moving the ball quickly through the hands is an element we can get better at,” Byrne said.

“(That’s) as rugby people, not just in Australia but all round the world, the ability to handle the ball under pressure and move it on.

“We don’t get a chance to do that in a rugby training session because it’s a fairly physical game, whereas the AFL is a more skilful game in that regard.

“There’s a few activities you can do that help the players with their catch-pass and catch-release.”

Charles Signs with Clermont

Western Force hooker Nathan Charles has signed with Top 14 Clermont as injury cover.

Charles will cover fellow Australian John Ulugia who damaged ligaments in his knee for which he is expected to miss three months of rugby.

“(Charles’s) profile corresponds perfectly with the style of play we hope to implement with both solid guarantees in the fundamentals and great mobility,” said Clermont head coach Franck Azema on the club’s website.

Charles tweeted: “Couldn’t be happier to settle into this great club”.

Charles has played four tests for the Wallabies after making his debut in 2014.

Calls for Tew to Resign

Several figureheads in New Zealand have called for New Zealand Rugby boss Steve Tew to resign following several off-field incidents’ putting the game’s reputation at stake.

The poor handling of the Chiefs stripper scandal and the vicious assault of four people by teenage player Losi Filipo have put Tew’s job in doubt.

 

“Rugby’s image is in the gutter, and Steve Tew (has) proved hopelessly incapable of lifting it out,” New Zealand Herald columnist Chris Rattue wrote.

“The Filipo and Chiefs strippergate cases have exposed a heartless attitude towards those who are victims of player misbehaviour and/or violence.

“Rugby players always get off.”

RadioLive commentator Duncan Garner agreed with the comments, saying Tew’s reaction to the scandals appeared defensive and “locked in a time-warp from the 1960s.”

  • Tim

    I Hope Reece starts at 12 which would allow one of the Fijian flyers to be put on the wing. But in saying that i think Chieka will start himself at 12 #crashballs all day!

  • Brisneyland Local

    Is the squad still being announced tommorrow?

    • jamie

      When we play in Aus it’s generally Thursday lunchtime, I assume it’ll be Thursday lunchtime Saffa Time this time around.

  • Lindommer

    If Rattue reckons Tew should resign the NZRU can confidently extend Steve’s contract.

    • Kiwi rugby lover

      Absolutely that guy is a troll and nothing more. I wonder if he failed badly at school or had a really bad rugby experience as he seems to take delight in trying to smash rugby and it makes me think he’s compensating for something – other than his own total lack of manliness.

      • Brendan Hume

        I’ve got no time for Rattue, but he’s right in that NZ needs to get across some of these issues or risk having the thug image that league has developed in Australia. I agree with Tew and the Judge that Filipo would be better off in a rugby environment with proper support – they need to have a clear management program though for these sorts of incidents to ensure players aren’t seen as untouchable by the community. The kid should have done some jail time and the NZRU should have proactive systems to address violence (against men and women) within the community that all players are a part of. The Filipo incident has been a balls-up of the highest order and follows on the trail of a number of incidents of assault (Moala, Savea) or drunken poor behaviour (Dagg, Chiefs) where players seem to get off without paying a penance. Violence is a huge issue in NZ and one which the NZRU could be putting their resources behind.

        • SuckerForRed

          Something else that makes the reaction to the Filipo incident interesting is that one of the blokes he beat 7 bells out of was in negotiation for a playing contract with Wellington…………

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Yeah I agree but it was court decision to let him off not a rugby decision. While rugby has a role to play in rugby, it’s not rugby’s role in life to change the violent culture that is throughout NZ and why should people who play rugby get a stiffer sentence than people who don’t. The thing about him doing jail time is that under NZ legal considerations it didn’t fit and that was from a senior QC in NZ in Stuff today. I still maintain it’s a law issue not a rugby issue.

        • Brendan Hume

          You’re right in that it is an issue of law, but you’re wrong in saying it’s not a rugby issue.

          Steve Tew said the Rugby did have a role when he commented, as did the judge in sentencing.

          “In sentencing, judge Bruce Davidson said such a serious attack would
          normally attract an 18-month jail term but a conviction would hinder
          Filipo’s chances of playing professionally.

          “I have to ask myself, are the courts truly in the business of destroying people’s career prospects?” he asked.”

          And I think all sports have a role in changing outdated cultural norms.

        • SuckerForRed

          I would agree….. but neither should people who play rugby get a lighter sentence. I think that dissension in NZ might be less about him not getting jail time and more about him not getting a conviction recorded as he would then have difficulty plying his trade in other countries and for that matter entering other countries.

      • Gus

        Whether gaol was or wasn’t the right answer is a question for the courts. If people think that rugby players get a special dispensation (regardless of whether it’s actually the case) then to me that points to a deeper issue of resentment in the community which you’d think NZRU would want to take account of. Rugby is obviously a key element of NZ’s culture and social fabric. It’s a symbiotic thing and you’d think the NZRU would want to be very careful with that. The ABs have a fantastic team culture and they are pretty ruthless in dealing with those who step out of line. It seems that attitude has been missing in regard to the Chiefs certainly.

  • Adrian

    ESPN says McMahon replacing Pocock, otherwise same team. They say bench to be named on Friday, and imply a 5:3 bench.
    personally I’d have a 6:2 bench at high altitude, as big guys will run out of puff

    • jamie

      Agree. Leave hooper and McMahon for the 80 since they have the biggest motors.

  • Gavin

    Other things rugby can learn from AFL…
    * Engage all socio-economic demographics
    * Have an elite flagship competition that makes sense and people would support

    • Adrian

      All true Gavin, ….we should.

      Equally though, Rugby needs to remain clear of Australia-centric AFL lynch mob mentality when it comes to racism and xenophobia.

      Rugby isn’t a religion, but AFL is, ….at least in Melbourne.
      Rugby in NZ isn’t as “religious” as AFL in Melbourne.

      Just a personal opinion mind you!

      • Gavin

        Agree. 1000% steer clear of racism and xenophobia. Seems more of an Aussie trait than an AFL one though?
        In saying that, the Adam Goodes stuff was shameful.

        • Adrian

          Unfortunately it is an increasingly Australian thing, but more so when it comes to AFL. Some Melbourne friends of mine, who are normally rational and “progressive” revert to racist and xenophobic behaviour when it comes to “their” football, as typified by the Goodes thing

        • Patrick

          No its a human trait you dope.

        • Macedonia

          I doubt you will find any 1st world western country as openly racist or xenophobic as Australia. Your thoughtful response is perhaps symptomatic of the saying underlying issues.

        • jamie

          Bullshit. Australia isn’t even particularly racist when the Internet and perceived threats aren’t involved.

          If you’d like to refer to South Africa or the US, or perhaps the U.K. Or most of Europe you’ll find the same and worse.

          Remember also, you can’t be racist against a religion…

        • SamNewman

          Lolz

        • Macedonia

          You’re right it is like the UK. In the 70s

        • Nutta

          See that’s interesting because I’m in classes now as part of a law masters where most of my Asian colleagues (nearly regardless of nationality) think it’s seriously funny & confusing that white Anglos keep up the self imposed guilt that we feel we are more racist than anyone else

        • Patrick

          Have you lived in any????

          But pray tell why do you think Trump, De Wilders, Le Pen, Brexit, Hofer, Petry, Raggi, Putin, the former leader of Malaysia, whatever clown is running South Africa these days, etc are all so popular?

        • Macedonia

          South Africa is not a 1st world country.

        • Patrick

          OK that’s awesome but what about the US UK France Germany Austria and Italy?

        • Macedonia

          What about them? If you want to argue that Australia doesn’t have a racism problem then you’re on your own

        • Patrick

          Um, let me see if I follow here.

          M: Australians are uniquely racist
          P: No, Australians are totally normally racist, like basically any other people
          M: Australians are uniquely racist
          P: Have you been to any other countries
          M: Australians are uniquely racist
          P: Here’s a list of leaders with (to varying degrees) racist/nativist policies and rhetoric who are very popular in their countries
          M: one of them is not a first world country
          P: what about the other 8?
          M: Australians are uniquely racist

          I think I get it. Australians are uniquely racist because you say so. On that basis who am I to argue? The moon can also be made of cheese if you like.

        • Macedonia

          You know your points are rock solid when you end them with insults.

    • McWarren

      Gavin,
      *Engage all socio-economic schools is probably more applicable.
      I’ve said it many a time, but go to a club game in Brisbane, any club game, and you get a full spectrum of the socio-economic demographic.
      I just don’t know how they can infiltrate more schools? It’s all well and good to go the Burleigh State High (I don’t think they have a rugby team) and say how about setting up a rugby program along with your league and soccer programs. But if only Burleigh does it, who do they play against? Do they join an existing comp? Perhaps if the ARU had some influence over school comps like the GPS and CAS in Brisbane they could force them to start accepting more schools into the comp? I don’t know, but better minds must have some clue.
      It definitely needs greater exposure at schoolboy and girl level.

      • Axemen

        McWarren, the ARU have no power over GPS or CAS schools competition – or any facet of the ASRU. The ASRU is totally independent to the ARU. ASRU have always chosen to stay independent from the ARU and the schools leaders have no care for what is good for Australian rugby as a whole – though rugby is very important to many of them, at the end of the day it is one of 20+ sports that has to fit in between cricket/rowing and athletics and anything that upsets that balance they have no interest in.

        • McWarren

          And there in lies the main difference between us and the Kiwis. NZRFU has complete co-operation from the schools. We aren’t going to change that GPS’s of our world, but we should try creating new comps for other schools to get involved in.
          Perhaps reporting other comps rather than the elite schools of Sydney and Brisbane (GPS) on sites such as this might help as well??

  • Dud Roodt

    Interesting picture of Nathan Charles in his Argentinian playing days

    • Pearcewreck

      Lol, they must have copied and pasted yesterdays Rugby News. Same photo in same spot from yesterday.

  • Gavin

    Other news, Italy has withdrawn from the RWC 2023 race.
    France, Ireland and South Africa left in the running.

    • McWarren

      That’s disappointing, but I guess more chance of it going to Ireland now.

  • Pearcewreck

    I agree with Mick Byrne, that Rugby can improve it’s catch-pass and catch release skills, but if we are having to work on those skills with Wallabies then something is wrong.
    Players should allready have those skills by the time they get to the highest level in the game.

    • McWarren

      you’re right they should, but if they don’t then we need to work on it. And if an expert can help improve the skills of the best players in the country then fair dues to Cheika for getting him involved.

      • brumby runner

        I have yet to see any definitive evidence to suggest the ABs don’t continue to work on improving their skills when they reach that exalted level. I think there are many examples of ABs’ players who have quite noticeably improved their skills over time in the test squad. Ma’a Nonu immediately springs to mind. And I’m just as sure that Byrne had a role to play in that aspect of their development over the years. I am just grateful he has the balls to call it as an issue with the Wallabies and the willingness to do something about it.

    • Kiwi rugby lover

      mate, it’s an ongoing process. The AB’s work on those skills every training session to ensure they remain high

    • Brendan Hume

      The higher the level, the more focus is required on the basics. You can’t implement a game plan if the players don’t have the tool kit to execute that game plan. These require high reps, preferably under pressure. The AB’s aren’t where they are by accident. They aim to master the fundamentals – catch, pass, run, kick, tackle – while being very fit and doing those things at pace.

    • Brisneyland Local

      I think some of the other key skills to learn from the AFL, is marking under the high ball. Not hard for every member of the team to have some skill sessions on that one! Also kicking off both feet which is an AFL prerequisite, would also be another one I would add to the list.

  • McWarren

    ML whats your source for that?

  • Tim

    I cant find the team sheet?

  • first time long time

    Dean Mumm

  • Kiwi rugby lover

    The tarot card reader at Sydney markets

  • Hoss

    fox sports saying Mumm’s in, Mc Mahon at 8 and the rest as per Argies test.

    The pine riders to be decided.

  • first time long time

    Sorry Hoss, I wasn’t querying whether he was in or not… that was a given.
    I was suggesting him as the source and because ML longs to hear his name at least once every 24 hours.

  • Hoss

    ahhh – i do recall Link getting twitchy a few days back for his daily Mumm fill.

  • McWarren

    Mrs Cheika?

  • first time long time

    From now on I think I will refer to him as Dean MILF (Mumm I’d Like to Fuck off)…Too harsh?

  • Hoss

    Sorry to get you on a technicality,but its MILFO…..

    On a side note – what has Fardy done that he is on the outer (well, compared to MILFO anyhow)

    I agree his 16 form is average against his Fardy 15 form, but a below best Fardy is surely better value than a average MILFO ?

  • first time long time

    Short answer, No Fkn Idea
    PS: I will cede to you on MILFO

  • Fatflanker

    Hah, misread that…was thinking a bit harsh to say he needed to grow a pair to fix his tackle.

  • Adrian

    Brian (or Nick or something) Stains who used to play for Cronulla Sharks had Poo as his nickname…

  • first time long time

    Dan Stains and I’m pretty sure he smeared the odd opponent in his time!

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