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Thursday’s Rugby News

Thursday’s rugby news has Scott Sio endorsing Stephen Larkham, Dane Haylett-Petty backing himself, the Western Force re-sign locks and Warren Gatland slams New Zealand media and fans.


Sio Endorses Larkham

Wallabies prop Scott Sio has endorsed Stephen Larkham following his announcement to move into a full time assistant role with the Wallabies.

Sio, however, maintains that Michael Cheika is still the man to lead the team at the moment.

“I think he’d be great, he could definitely step up in the head coach role, though obviously Cheik’s our guy now,” he said.

“He stepped into that in the brumbies after Jake [White} left and Laurie [Fisher] moved on, we’ve had some success there.

“If that does come around, hopefully I’m still in the selection frame then, but I have full faith in him.”

DHP Backing Himself

Dane Haylett-Petty has backed himself to move to fullback if he is required during the Spring tour.

Haylett-Petty plays fullback at Super Rugby and says he would be comfortable with a positional change.

“Ive been focused on becoming a winger, enjoying the challenge on the wing and slowly trying to improve each week. Who knows where Izzy will play, he could play anywhere.

“I’ve played more rugby at 15, but I’m really happy wherever, just hopefully on the field.”

Haylett-Petty also admits that defence is a key focus.

“That’s probably the biggest change and that’s probably the area I’m trying to work on most and improve slightly each game … All the other stuff is quite similar,” he said.

Force Re-sign Locks

The Western Force have re-signed locks Matt Philip and Richie Arnold for the 2017 Super Rugby season.

Philip has just completed a Mitre 10 Cup campaign with Southland whilst Arnold (twin brother of Wallabies lock Rory Arnold) is looking to put an injury plagued 2016 season behind him.

“Obviously there is a whole new environment at the Force now and I feel like there could be something special building at the club,” Philip said.

“When I came over last season I had getting a contract for 2017 in mind every training session and every game. I felt like this was the place I wanted to be in the future so I’m stoked to be given the chance to come back.”

Gatland Slams Fans

British and Irish Lions coach Warren Gatland has slammed New Zealand fans labelling some actions of his countrymen as “embarrassing”.

Gatland also slammed fans for continuing to boo Quade Cooper at Eden Park where New Zealand won 37-10 against the Wallabies.

“To be honest with you, and I don’t mind you printing this, I was at Eden Park watching the game a couple of weeks ago and as a Kiwi I was embarrassed,” said Gatland.

“There’s the clown stuff in the Herald. One of the things I’ve been proud of as a Kiwi, I always thought we showed a lot of humility.

“As a Kiwi I was sitting in the stands watching the game and I was a little bit embarrassed.

“That’s something as New Zealanders, in the past we’ve prided ourselves on that, tried to do that, and tried to be humble about the success of the rugby team.

“It was the first time, and this is just my opinion, that I found myself saying ‘we’re better than this’.”

  • Keith Butler

    I see that Gats has been ‘clowned’ by the NZ Herald. Nil points for originality.

    • AllyOz

      is it plagiarism if you copy yourself though?

  • The Jackal

    Good to see it come from a New Zealander. I’m sure all the humble kiwis will take what Gatland says in good spirits

    • Kiwi rugby lover

      hahahahaha yeah right! I can see that happening. The thing I love about the trolls it that they will always find something to go crook at. makes for some entertainment if nothing else.

      • Seb V

        How is Gatland a troll?

        • Missing Link

          No he’s saying the kiwi trolls will look past Gatland’s kiwiness and find a reason to hate him

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          I wasn’t saying that here, although I think trying to put the blame of a stupid press release on all NZ rugby fans is a stupid type of trolling

        • Seb V

          Although I think his main point was about the booing, which I think we can all agree with. then a side point he disagreed about the article. I couldn’t care less about the clown stuff but the booing is ridiculous. It is not a small minority either (unless they are all very very loud) seems like a large number are booing.

        • Yank AB Fan

          Seb, I agree that booing is poor form and a bit rude, but I must say I find the depths to which it’s annoying Wallaby fans a bit mystifying. It seems like a legacy of Rugby’s amateur days. In professional sports, in the USA anyway, booing the opposition is pretty common. I enjoy the fact that, in the rare times I get to go to major rugby events (there aren’t many in the USA), the fans are generally good-natured. But frankly, the treatment that Quade is getting, even after 5 years, is pretty mild compared to how many US pro athletes are treated on the road.

        • Joe King

          But a *kiwi* saying he was embarrassed by it does add weight to Wallaby fans feeling justified in thinking it is a bit disrespectful to continually boo Quade.

          But I do agree, Wallaby fans shouldn’t be too annoyed at it, and I don’t think Quade would be too bothered by it.

          I’m more surprised by it. It seems out of character with NZ rugby crowds in general. Perhaps it’s just become a thing to boo Quade, and no disrespect in meant. But still…

          In any case, I hope Wallaby fans can also step up and say they’re embarrassed when they see that sort of thing coming from their own backyard.

          I’d love to see a spirit among rugby crowds anywhere being different to other professional sports.

        • HK Red

          Not exactly sure the booing is out of character. Booing of kickers has been happening in NZ rugby for quite a while now. Can’t say I remember hearing them do it when I was growing up, but it’s definitely been going on for over a decade. Maybe it’s something the Scarfies started on local derbies that has fed through to the test arena.

        • Parker

          Can we just give Gatland credit for standing up for something positive and move on? I have no problem bagging Gatland when he does something oafish, but in this case he’s golden and should be commended for it.

        • Seb V

          @ Yank, its not just annoying wallabies its annoying fellow NZ’ers. I wouldn’t mind if they booed the team as a whole, but they are booing an individual for something that happened years ago, and the grubby acts aren’t unknown in their own team – so I guess everyone in Aus feels personal attacks against Quade are unjustified. Boo the opposition team all you want but make it personal and its just disrespectful.

        • Greg

          call me boring…..

          We should never boo anyone. Cheer for your own team and acknowledge good performances by both teams.

          You can actually still enjoy the game.

          It is OK to give the ref advice provided you address him as “Sir”.

        • @mgincnj:disqus Having lived in the UK where ‘anything goes’ behaviour-wise at premier league soccer matches, I’m very happy expecting a higher level of behaviour from rugby fans.

          For example – at EPL games they have to have a minute’s applause to mark respect of a tragedy or death because they can’t hold a minute’s silence.

          This feature of rugby has been one that I and everyone I know has always held dear.

        • DK

          At Munster where ‘silence is deafening’ I’ve had a bloke tell a guy to turn his radio commentary down as it was making too much noise when the opposition ran out or were kicking for goal.The away kicker almost expects noise when lining up a shot, to have the stadium dead silent is actually pretty off putting.

          Plus in AFL booing is just racist…..don’t go there!

        • Yank AB Fan

          Fair enough. Still, as I’ve said elsewhere on this site, I do think that Quade could have shut up the AB fans a long time ago simply by playing well and beating them. Has he ever beaten the All Blacks? Certainly not as a starter since 2011 (maybe on the bench).

        • Missing Link

          That’s a bit tough on Quade though as there aren’t many players still playing who have beaten the All Blacks.

        • There are those 22 other players on the team – it’s not actually Quade vs the All Blacks

        • Yank AB Fan

          OK… how about just playing well? The fact is that Quade has looked like a deer in the headlights in EVERY test he’s played against the All Blacks since that WC match in 2011. His performances on the field do matter, and the fact that he’s garnered more yellow cards in International play than any other fly half in history also has to be factored into this. His on-again, off-again shenanigans with Toulon didn’t reflect well on him either, and put a lie to the narrative he’s been selling in recent years about the mature, responsible Quade Cooper. I agree with you that AB fans are being boorish by booing him, but I don’t think Wallabies fans’ calling out AB fans on this behavior reflects particularly well on Wallabies fans either. I continue to believe that the only person who can really stop this is Quade himself with his performances on and off the field, and in those he’s failed miserably.

        • Garry

          Following the logic…..So Quade scores a try and kicks the goal to beat NZ. Suddenly the booing desists.

          What colour is the sky in that world.

        • Yank AB Fan

          Yep. It’s a respect thing. I’ve never been in a position to boo Quade Cooper, being squirreled away in the USA, though I’m pretty sure I wouldn’t (I’m personally very polite). But I understand why people do boo him, I think, and it comes down to respect. Real AB killers, like Rocky Elsom or John de Villiers , have always been respected by AB fans. So IMO (and of course we’ll never know), there’s only one way for Quade to earn the respect of AB fans. And it’s not by hiding on the wing and missing tackles.

        • Schindler’s Fist

          What games were you going to Matt? (Sounds like Chelsea rabble to me). Over the last 6 years I’ve been to plenty of EPL (most of the major clubs) and even lower league football games were things like minutes silence etc. are observed without issue.

          The only real sticking pointing is how the home fans and away fans interact with each other while the game is on, but it adds to the atmosphere. Which is miles ahead of rugby anyway. (And I’m a rugby fan first)

        • mikado

          Agreed that UK football crowds can be pretty feral (at all levels). That has its plusses and minuses but for me it’s good that rugby is better natured and more respectful.

          Gotta take issue with you over the minute’s silence though. That’s usually very well respected in football.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Yeah but they’re all dicks who need to get over themselves. half of them don’t even know why but go with the crowd which is worse

  • Nutta

    Good luck to Richie A. Wouldn’t it be something to have twins as locks? Isn’t there an Australian duo locking for Scotland atm?

    I love that it takes a Pig to endorse a Fairy. There is poetic justice in that. It’s almost as good as your 4th grade full back giving scrum advice…

    DHP Sauce is just happy to be here. Makes me reflect even more sourly on the tripe we used to hear and had to put up with from the Famous Three Amigo’s with tweets from the Hot Tub

    Love ya Gatts. I always thought you were a better 2 than Fitz was anyway

    Man I’m feeling cynical this morning. Anyone want to start in on the Catholic Church? My family is as bog Irish-Catho as it gets and I did spells under the Little Sisters Of No Mercy, The Patrician Bashers and the Oh So Aptly Named Christian Bros – so I’m allowed to hate. Besides it might make a change from bangin’ on about Kiwis (KRL excluded of course).

    • Kiwi rugby lover

      Love your work Nutta. 4th grade full back giving scrum advice, love it and haven’t we heard that one before? Nah he was never as good as Fitz and I think the chip on that is still there.

    • AllyOz

      Twins Duncan and Warwick Waugh may have both played for the Waratahs at one stage in the early to mid 90s – I played with/against one of them when I was at Uni in Armidale – BTW I also came through the Catholic School System – Sisters of Mercy, Marist Brothers, Dominicans and Christian Brothers – most of the religious I came across with in that time were dedicated/inspirational people who devoted their lives to the service of others – I have few if any complaints – in fact I feel blessed to be given the opportunities they gave me in life – although I perfectly understand that not everyone’s experience was the same the vast majority of the people I came across were exceptional people (and the majority of Kiwi supporters I am sure are also wonderful although I am basing my entire analysis on KRL)

    • Huw Tindall

      DHP Sauce…starting Thursday on a win there mate!

    • McWarren

      Nutta, I feel your love of the Sisters of No Mercy. Old Sister Kathleen could wield a cricket bat to the buttocks better than Mark Waugh could cover drive.

      Is it the Gray twins you talk of? Richie and ????

      • Nutta

        Yep – the Grays it is. Well played. And the Waughs did it to. I have always had enormous jealousy for the DuPleiss Bros and Franks etc. I spent years playing with my brothers and I loved it dearly so to not only play alongside your blood but do so for your country must be deeply emotional stuff

        Lil Sisters Of No Mercy ably led by Sister Anne and Sister Dominica who could each cut a fly in half mid-air whilst they limbered up their shoulders with the bamboo cane you had to go strip out of the garden bed for them because you couldn’t get your Latin right… I would love to see them get all Jedi light-sabre on each other with those fkn canes.

        And that says nothing of Quick Draw Bro ‘Fingers’ Rafferty who carried his strap in a pouch on the underside of his left forearm under the habit/robe so he could whip it out and start flailing around at whatever poor bugger of a kid spoke out of turn.

        Ahhh the memories…

  • Kiwi rugby lover

    I was waiting to see this one this morning. Well done G&GR for picking up on it. Fair enough on the booing as I agree there are some people that just need to get over themselves with Quade. From some of my mates who’ve met him, especially with kids in tow he’s actually a really nice bloke. What’s in the past just needs to stay there and they should just move on.
    Bit rich going on about the press though, The UK press has got nothing on either the Australian or NZ press when it comes to stupid articles written by trolling scribes, and to try and put that onto the rugby public is a type of trolling arrogance that is going to wind up the NZ trolls even further. Nice start to relationship building.

    • Tomthusiasm

      I’m looking forward to the Lions series next year, and good to see Gats stoking the fire already.

      • Thoms

        Can’t wait for it. New Zealand whitewash is as good as a certainty I expect, though. In professional era it is difficult to throw a team together to compete at test level. Last time they were lucky that for a variety of reasons the Wallabies were a sham at the time.

        Is it true that the Super Rugby teams will have their internationals too? Aside from the Provincial Union game you could see them lose the other 3 build up games plus the mid-weeks.

        • Tomthusiasm

          Not sure who’ll be on deck for the Super teams, it’ll be a very daunting schedule for the Lions to undertake so maybe they’ll prioritise the test matches in order to have the best squad to tackle the ABs.

    • Thoms

      The booing of Cooper is just pantomime, like what the Haka has become.

      I doubt it has any impact on him, just makes NZ look rather small and silly.

      • Kiwi rugby lover

        Agree with the booing but not the Haka. Look I agree that it’s not for everyone and TBH if it was stopped I wouldn’t lose sleep over it but I also think it’s been a casualty of the All Blacks success. If we’d lost a few more games then I’m not so sure everyone would pick on it as an issue and comments from a lot of my NZ friends say they love seeing it before the game.

        • Thoms

          No issue with NZ doing the Haka at all. I love the tradition and these little things add to the fixture. But if you expect countries to indulge your traditions then do a real one, at a time that suits the hosts (ie before their anthem or similar tradition) and accept challenges

          They do a plastic, makey-up Haka which is for commercial and intimidation purposes only. Look to the ridiculous outrage at any sort of challenge to it, or when Wales wanted to do their anthem after and the adidas boys threw their dummies out of the pram and performed for cameras in the dressing room, or the throat-slit gesture which they claimed was symbolising breathing or some bullsh*t like that. Look what those uneducated buffoons did to Brian O’Driscoll when he did a respectful traditional Maori response to the Haka.

        • PeterK

          the opposition should be allowed to challenge and come to say with 3 metres none of this stay back 10 metres. The french V formation was great.

          I think all haka’s should be done before the national anthem’s not after them.

        • Thoms

          Check out the outrage (aussie commentator in fairness) here:
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hlXMapfYXs

        • PeterK

          didn’t sound like an aussie commentator to me

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Mate I agree with some of the bullshit around the way its run. Best one ever in my mind was when the English got in our face during the challenge. Unfortunately the PC crowd have got involved and have as usual stuffed it up

        • McWarren

          I think all teams should be made to do a Haka of some sort. Some travelling aussie teams years ago used to do traditional Aboriginal war dances etc. The Irish should absolutely be made to do River Dance, The Welsh could Morris Dance. I’m picturing a whole new pre game ritual, bugger the warmup, lets just get out there and dance and shout and skip. Watch the ratings sour!!!

          Or the opposition team could all lean against their posts and chip the kick the ball to themselves, ala Campo.

        • McWarren

          That should read “Watch the rating soar!!!” Not sour.

        • Nutta

          Nutbush and then Macarena? Or maybe the Monkey followed by Mashed Potato? C’mon and do the Twist…

        • McWarren

          I was always a fan of the Timewarp

        • Nutta

          I want to see this (spaceboots and all). This is the perfect response to a haka. All your wildest dreams will come true: https://youtu.be/ELBy5stH3b8

        • McWarren

          fantastico!!! I vote for Pedro.

          Who from the current team would lead the disco response.

          I think big Coleman might be the man with the moves.

        • Nutta

          We do it All Black style in the spear-head shape with all the daggy white-boys up the front. No one with rythym shall be seen. I reckon Squeak could lead it well with Arnold and Coleman behind. Big emphasis on Jazz hands and Spirit Fingers.
          Get that up ya Piri & TJ!!

        • PeterK

          time it so when the kiwi’s stick their tongues out bend over and have your bum’s facing them

        • Colin Fenwick
        • McWarren

          By the way KRL I love the Haka, as a kid I used to dream of standing in front of it and using it to fire me up. Ask my Dad and he’ll tell you I used almost go through the telly wanting to knock Buck Shelfords head off.

        • Missing Link

          Occasionally I dress up in full All Blacks kit and do the haka in front of the mirror, in the privacy of my own home but don’t tell anyone. This is in strict confidence.

        • McWarren

          I had you picked for a Morris Dancer, or is that just your public persona?

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          The bedroom love games you play!

        • Brisneyland Local

          I was thinking a traditional Australian Brown eye from the whole squad in response might be a goer! But I am sure the PC people out there would disagree. But you have to admit, it would be a pretty “Aussie’ response

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Hahaha so the Scottish haka then.

        • Brisneyland Local

          Yep something like that. I am sure we inherited that one from our Scottish ancestors.

        • Colin Fenwick

          “uneducated buffoons did to Brian O’Driscoll when he did a respectful traditional Maori response to the Haka.”
          Hell of a long bow to draw there, champ.

        • jamie

          I still believe the best ever Haka ‘entertainment’ wise was when the Frogs moved up and challenged it. The frogs got fined for it but man it was so much better than standing opposite it getting cold.

      • John Bands

        You mean like how Australia was made to look when you guys constantly booed the ICC cleared Murali? We are well aware of your double standards.

        • Thoms

          I’ve no idea who ICC is or who Murali is.

        • jamie

          Indian Cricket Council, and an Indian Bowler.

        • Brisneyland Local

          Muttiah Muralitharan is actually Sri Lankan, but yes you raise a good point.

          As I said in a previous missive, every country has its bogans!

        • Brisneyland Local

          !!

        • McWarren

          Well said John. I remember it well and yes it was a poor reflection on our supposed sporting attitude.

          The booing is poor form, but those in glass houses etc…

        • Thoms

          Because some idiots boo here we can’t comment on booing at all?

        • McWarren

          No, I’m just alluding to the general mood in the air that the Kiwi’s are somehow wired differently to everyone else. Complain about the booing all you like. I just don’t pin it on one band of supporters, if you are.

          ICC International Cricket Council
          Murali (I ain’t for the life of me going to attempt to spell his whole name): Brilliant Sri Lankan leg spinner who legally terrorized Aussie batsmen at will. Was called for throwing by one Darrell Hair, subsequently had his bowling action cleared by the ICC but was continually boo’d by the gentlemanly Australian cricket community.

          Lesson finished.

        • John Tynan

          Adam Goodes anyone?

        • Thoms

          The Adam Goodes treatment is the most shameful thing I have seen in sport quite simply because it had apologists in “polite society”. Would never have happened (mainstream media apologists and talking heads) in any other English speaking western country and it reflects major social issues that exist in Australia.

          The NZ booing of Quade Cooper isn’t in the same galaxy. I’d classify the NZ actions as silly rather than disgraceful.

        • John Tynan

          I agree, not the same level. Insight to “real” Australia though.

        • PeterK

          crap – every country has their share of idiots thanks, and that includes racists. They were a small minority.

        • Parker

          Sadly the number of racists in Oz is not small enough.

        • John Tynan

          I grew up in Nth Qld and lived in country WA. Unfortunately we will have to disagree on what “small” is. But a minority nonetheless.

        • Parker

          That is the shameful parallel to what Yank AB Fan may have been talking about.

        • Missing Link

          “tupical Aussies ayy”

        • Pearcewreck

          Don’t agree John,
          Like a lot of things in life, one needs to look at the motivation behind the action.
          Much of the Aussie booing of Murali was because the crowd believed he was chucking the ball, ie cheating (remember Daryl Hair called him for chucking in a test).
          So, please point out any fans in the world who wouldn’t boo an opponent if they thought he was cheating?

          How many Kiwi’s believe Quade was cheating in the tests that they were booing at?
          None, it was boorish Kiwi behavior.

        • Colin Fenwick

          I doubt Hadlee was cheating back in 1981 either. More boorish behaviour?
          In saying that, there was some interesting advice from Chappell to Hadlee in regards to the chanting that may also apply to the booing of Cooper.
          http://www.foxsports.com.au/cricket/australia/richard-hadlee-recalls-reason-for-australian-chant-that-haunted-then-inspired-him/news-story/91b3055e5fd9738eb22e08179710ab61

    • Joe King

      Really appreciated your first paragraph. Well said! And I agree that the press is not a reflection on the NZ public or especially the NZ coach and players. I think Cheika should have just laughed off the clown picture of himself. But I also appreciate him sticking up for the Wallabies jersey. Just should have directed his emotions at the press instead. At the same time, it was in the moment of a disappointing loss, which is not an excuse, but does make me a little more compassionate towards him being a bit emotional. Would love to see him and Hansen have a beer together.

      • PeterK

        he did direct some of it at the press when he replied that they were not interested in his comment

      • Kiwi rugby lover

        So would I mate. This constant in-fighting between Australia and NZ is out of hand. Yeah we want to be fierce rivals but we also should respect each other and just have a beer at the end and get ready for next time

        • Brisneyland Local

          Absolutely! Firece rivals on the paddock, beer drinking brothers in arms off it!

        • PeterK

          Being mates has not helped the wallabies.

          If it takes for the wallabies to actually hate the AB’s for them to do better against them I am all for it.

          I am sick of aust teams after a loss, smiling and backslapping the other team’s players, no pain no real care that they lost.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          I would rather see hate on the paddock and mates off it. Absolutely want to win and be fiercely disappointed when you lose but to take the hate off the field is taking it too far for me. I’ve always enjoyed sitting down with an opposition team and having a beer win or lose. I even like doing it as a referee after a game although for some reason the winning side is usually friendlier to me :-)

        • McWarren

          No one has ever proven to me that being friendly after a game is proof you don’t give a shit about the result. If hating the opposition off the field is what it takes too win on the field then it is no longer sport and you can keep the spoils, I don’t want them.

      • Nutta

        You can’t say that! I have been paralleling Fleet St as representing the English for years! Don’t diminish my hate with reason!

    • SuckerForRed

      I always wonder how the Kiwi’s go in a crowd in Ireland. One thing that actually gave me goose bumps at RWC was the absolute silence expected and enforced at the Ireland v Italy game. I loved it! On another note the booing of any kicker annoys the bejeebuz out of me and it is getting far to frequent in Australia.

      • Kiwi rugby lover

        Hopefully they get told to pull their heads in if they start acting like cocks. I actually think the dead silence is more intimidating than booing. Love it too.

      • McWarren

        I wonder if the silence is just as off putting for kickers from any other country than Ireland. Suddenly you are completely aware that every single person in the stadium is watching you, waiting for you to kick, before talking/cheering/going to the bar. If you are used to noise or even booing the silence is a radical departure from your normal pre-kick routine.

        I for one don’t mind a bit of noise and booing of kickers, its part of the fun and carnival like atmosphere at most games. When living in Ireland I had this conversation many times, they hate booing and put anyone who boo’s in their place pretty quickly.

        • joy

          Booing is negative and bad manners. Cheering is positive. Pommies are silent for kicks too. Scots and Kiwis are unrepentant booers (There is a connection).

      • Thoms

        Not enforced, it’s the rugby tradition there.

        • SuckerForRed

          Enforced in a fashion –
          Kick 1 – bit of yackieing, yelling, booing, carry on. Reaction from Irish in crowd.
          Kick 2 – less…
          Kick 3 – tiny bit…..
          Kick 4 – None at all.

        • Parker

          I think the line should be drawn at a chorus of “Lollylegs”!

        • SuckerForRed

          Or “Kick it to me! Kick to me!” But that might be a uniquely Australian thing….

  • Kiwi rugby lover

    I’d love to see DHP at FB for some games. If Richie Arnold is as good or close to Rory then the Wallabies have definitely got some good locking partners coming through and that will be awesome and allow for some specialist 6 & 8’s to come through as well. That can only be a good thing.

    • John Tynan

      That’s an interesting thought about the cause/correlation between specialist second rowers and specialist looseys. For example I think Luke Jones’ rep prospects suffered because he was caught betwixt and between. Not quite the size of an international lock, but by playing lock every week he doesn’t have the conditioning of a 6/8 or get to practice the skills every game – running lines, work at the breakdown etc.

      • Kiwi rugby lover

        Yeah the roles are quite different and while there are some who can play both, they are usually better at one or the other and good for injury cover but not a long term prospect

        • Seb V

          agreed

      • PeterK

        Timani was caught the same way by rebels playing him as a lock when he really is a 6 or a 8.

        At last Cheika looked past this when injury forced him to give Timani at go at 8.
        Jones should have been selected ahead of Mumm every time, both are utility lock/6’s.

    • PeterK

      Rory only took up rugby late as a 17 yr old, Richie even later so he could be a very good player too.
      Good combo with Coleman next year.

    • Missing Link

      Rory and “Sir Richie” Arnold :)

  • Kokonutcreme

    Do you think Cheika will adopt the same victim media strategy with the British press and state the opposition doesn’t respect his team?

    Historically the UK has never rated or respected the Wallaby scrum and it’s already started with Ian McGeechans latest column critical of their Grand Slam chances because of their scrum.

    • Thoms

      Because that is the exact same as how the NZ press and team behaved?

      • PeterK

        Cheika will continue the siege mentality, that it is them against everyone which is the reality.

  • SydRugbyTragic

    Morning all, I reckon the whole Cheika/Gatland clown thing is getting out of hand and the sooner it’s behind us the better. IMO it’s a media confection the sole purpose of which is to increase the circulation of the NZ Herald and the other media outlets now leaping onto the story. Sure it’s annoying and poor form for the kiwi media/social media to kick us while we’re down – but if the shoe was on the other foot I suspect our media would be equally gleeful in sticking it to them. I think the great majority of NZ rugby fans are generally respectful and certainly all the ones I’ve ever known/worked with over the years have been top shelf. I suggest playing the long game – nothing is forever in sport – the day will come when we’re on top again (hopefully not too long from now).

    • Kiwi rugby lover

      With you 100%

  • Huw Tindall

    Not in the news (yet) but the real Thursday news will be the Wallabies team announcement. Expect that around midnight Aussie time. Really looking forward to who replaces Mumm and Kerevi. Fardy is a good shout given he is a lineout option whereas Timani/McMahon aren’t so much. TK is obvious choice for 13 and leaving the back 3 unchanged. Wouldn’t mind Folau at 13 to try and break his form funk and honestly believe DHP is better all around at 15.

    • PeterK

      Folau did break his form funk against NZ.

      With AWJ the wales lineout caller out and their backrow not noted lineout exponents (warburton out as well) Cheika may go for Timani at 6 and play the Pooper.
      I would like to see Folau on the wing, I doubt he will select him at 13 against Davies and Roberts but neither of them are agile laterally so off set piece attack he may play folau at 12 or 13.

      • jamie

        Man, the Pooper and Timani would be one fucken intense back row for the Welsh to run into.

      • joy

        Wynn Jones has withdrawn after his father passed away.

        • PeterK

          thats who I meant by AWJ, who is their lineout caller

    • Pedro
  • Tomthusiasm

    Aussie heavy bench for the Baa-Baas with Paddy Ryan and Naiyaravoro starting. Good to see Ready and Stirzaker get a run and Morahan gets a chance to show Cheika what he’s missing out on.

    BARBARIANS: Melani Nanai, Matt Faddes, Seta Tamanivalu, Richard Buckman, Taqele Naiyaravoro, Robert du Preez, Andy Ellis (captain), Luke Whitelock, Jordan Taufua, Brad Shields, Michael Fatialofa, Martin Muller, Paddy Ryan, Akker van der Merwe, Reggie Goodes. Reserves: Andrew Ready, Schalk van der Merwe, Toby Smith, Sam Carter, Ruan Ackermann, Nic Stirzaker, Richie Mo’unga, Luke Morahan

    • Brisneyland Local

      That looks like a really intersting team. Cant wait to watch that one.

      • McWarren

        did you bite the bullet and get Fox? Man you really stick to your guns!!!

        • Brisneyland Local

          No I have a pathological dislike for Evil Empires such as Fox, Woolworths, Coles etc etc. So I refuse to financially contribute to their delinquency. However my hypocracy doesnt prevent me from watching other peoples Foxtel. Some would call it tight arsedness, but I prefer to call it a moral stance! ha ha

        • Thoms

          Unfortunately you’re the perfect customer for them. They lose money on subscriptions v equipment, make the money on heads for advertisers

        • Brisneyland Local

          Yep! For me the money isnt the object. Can I afford it? Yes no worries! Can I rationally justify spending $700 on a product that I will only watch on the weekends? No! I would rather spend that money restocking my wine cellar!

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          And drinking it

        • Brisneyland Local

          Touche!

        • jamie

          What costs $700, exactly?

        • Brisneyland Local

          The Foxtel package that the rip off merchants were quoting me. That is the all up cost over 12 months.

        • jamie

          $51 a month is $600. Can probably haggle em down to $500 a year or something like that. Either way, less than $2 a day.

          Until the 12th this month it’s free installation and IQ3 upgrade too.

        • Brisneyland Local

          Jamie, are you a Foxtel salesperson? Just kidding.
          At the time I asked it was $60 a month, plus connection fee, plus what ever it was for the IQ. They wouldnt throw in free anything. So I told them to shove it up their ass!

        • jamie

          I can’t say I am, but the sale on now is the most reasonable it’s ever been. And you’d be surprised how much wiggle room they’re allowed to get a sale.

        • Missing Link

          You forgot to mention the NZRU in your list of evil empires :P

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Ouch!

        • Brisneyland Local

          I dont view them as the Evil Empire. They are just doing their thang! Whilst I will always refer to them as the “Darkness” it is more a professional jealousy!

        • Missing Link

          The post was simply made in the interest of good humour :)

      • PeterK

        baa baas game no one is televising , not even fox as far as I am aware

      • Tomthusiasm

        Agreed, how will you watch though, stream?

        • Brisneyland Local

          No idea, but am trying to find a way!

  • Missing Link

    When is the clever NZ Herald cartoonist going to draw Cheika, Gatland and Eddie Jones as the 3 stooges?

    • Kiwi rugby lover

      mate, wouldn’t that get people upset. I almost wish it would happen

    • Brisneyland Local

      Or a three ring circus! MC and two other Assholes!
      (Copyright to Rodney Rude!).

  • ForceFan

    WF also confirmed that Ben Tapuai has been released to take up an offer from Bath.

    • mikado

      Good move by Bath?

  • Mart

    In other news. What’s going on with Rugby on tv in Australia?!?

    No spring tour games on free to air?

    Intially couldn’t find the games on fox either. They’re on some random channel ‘bein’

    Bad exposure. How you going to expand the game with no content?

    • Thoms

      Bein is in the Fox sports package with ESPN. Lots of rugby on BeIn actually.

    • jamie

      BeIn is a big Euro sports channel: has shittons of rugby on it.

      So far as I can tell, the asking price for the tests were just too high for the FTA channels, considering the relatively low audiences they’ll get at half past fucken obscure o’clock. Unfortunately.

      Pissed me off about the RWC too: these fantastic performances that would’ve most certainly helped Aussie rugby, and no one other than the die-hards saw them..

      • PeterK

        they invented a hard disk record quite a while ago, a lot of sportsfans have them. No need to watch live.

        • jamie

          Doesn’t matter. People want to watch sport live nowadays. I hate watching delayed telecast. So do most people.

          Social media means you can’t avoid seeing a score unless you stay off it completely

        • PeterK

          of course you stay off it.
          The game is at 2.00 am or 4.00am or whatever. You go to sleep and watch it over breakfast. Surely you can stay off the phone and computer for that long. Not hard.

          Actually most people I know do this for the games o/s in europe and SA. They record it and watch it right away the next morning. Obviously not the knock out rwc games but that is every 4 years.

      • Thoms

        It’s part of the Al Jazeera network isn’t it?

        • jamie

          Not anymore. Either way, don’t tell rugby-loving Pauline Hansen enthusiasts ;-)

        • jamie

          It was.

      • Pearcewreck

        Thankfully RWC19 will be primetime for us here in Oz.

    • PeterK

      I am surprised CH10 didn’t do a deal with Bein to be able to show a delayed telecast (say 10.00am) in australia.

      Unless of course Foxtel’s deal with Bein gives them exclusive rights to broadcast their shows in australia.

      No fault of the ARU’s in this though.
      It was not to know a FTA was not going to win a bid, first time it has happened I believe.

      • Mart

        No fault of the ARU’s ? to try to get maximum coverage of their product? wtf if they don’t take responsibility who will ?
        ‘Lets sit on our hands someone will show it hopefully’

        • Thoms

          They have no control over it. The European Unions hold the rights. Same when they play down here.

        • Mart

          My 5 year old has no control of his bladder at night.
          We still have discussions about what to do about it…. And how to get some control

        • PeterK

          The host nation sells the writes for the most it can get.
          ARU can try and influence the WRU, how do you know they didn’t try?
          You just want to blame the ARU for something it has no jurisdiction in.
          Wales are struggling for revenue like the ARU is.
          You do realise that rugby is not shown on FTA in the UK or NZ? PAYTV has all the rights there.

  • McWarren

    Just a word of warning regarding coverage. I set my Foxtel box early in the week to tape the Wales v Wallabies game on BIEN1. It now seems to have changed to BIEN3 and it cancelled my taping of the game. If you had planned to tape it, just check before bed on Saturday to make sure it hasn’t cancelled or changed channels again.

    • Kiwi rugby lover

      Thanks I hadn’t noticed that

  • John Tynan

    Am I the only heretic who wonders what Larkham has done to justify being annointed next in line? (I know, not officially….). I know the Brumbies have been “consistent” but they are hardly the innovative attacking unit they used to be. Aussie attack can’t unlock any defence going around in the last season.

    • Thoms

      (Playing Devil’s Advocate)
      Who else is there though?

      • PeterK

        A number of kiwi coaches of super rugby
        Rennie would be a good choice

      • John Tynan

        I would counter with why there has to be one at this stage. I for one am tired of “succession planning” and the race to annoint someone before they are proven/make their own argument through force of results. But I am a Reds fan and we got R.Graham out of that whole succession planning thing so maybe that’s my bias…

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