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Thursday’s Rugby News sees the Rebel name squad against Sunwolves, Maddocks Re-signs, Lewis Holland Returns and Chieka looking to write a new history.

 


 

DHP AND UELESE RETURN, GENIA STILL OUT

Waratahs v Rebels 2018 1st Half-3

Dane Haylett-Petty, Jordan Uelese, Super Sefa Niavalu and Ben Daly return to the match day 23 as the Rebels look to gain back-to-back wins against the Sunwolves on Friday at the Stockade.

Haylett-Petty (Neck) and Uelese (Arm) both haven’t played since the match against the Bulls in Pretoria.

With DHP back in at Full Back, Jack Maddocks moves back to the wing. Reece Hodge moves into the number 10 spot for the first time this year, and Billy Meakes starts at Inside Centre.

In the forwards there is only one change from the Brumbies game with Matt Phillip replacing Geoff Parling in the starting team. Hopefully Parling has spent the last week talking to every AFL player in Melbourne in an effort to improve his kicking skills.

There is a potential debut on the cards for Taylor Adams andPone Fa’amausili, both are named on the bench.

Coach Dave Wessel is confident in the team he has selected this week and eager to see DHP back in action.

“We’ve picked a side with a nice balance of youth and experience. It’s good to have Dane back in the starting XV – he’s a real leader in the group and everyone will take confidence from having him around.”

“Most of all, we’re excited to be returning in front of our home fans at the Stockade. It’s a critical game for us, so we’re looking forward to putting on a display that Melbourne people can be proud of.” (Via melbournerebels.com)

One thing that won’t be on display Friday night will be Will Genia’s new hairstyle that he debuted on Kick and Chase, as he attempts to find new ways to show people he has moved to Melbourne.

1.Fereti Sa’aga
2. Anaru Rangi
3. Sam Talakai
4. Matt Philip
5. Adam Coleman (c)
6. Angus Cottrell
7. Colby Fainga’a
8. Amanaki Mafi
9. Michael Ruru
10. Reece Hodge
11. Marika Koroibete
12. Billy Meakes
13. Tom English
14. Jack Maddocks
15. Dane Haylett-Petty

Reserves

16. Jordan Uelese
17. Ben Daley
18. Pone Fa’amausili
19. Geoff Parling
20. Lopeti Timani
21. Harrison Goddard
22. Tayler Adams
23. Sefa Naivalu

SEVENS SKIPPER BACK FOR LONDON

Australian Men Sydney 7s Lewis Holland passes

Lewis Holland is set to make his return to the Seven’s pitch after suffering a hamstring injury that saw him miss out on the Commonwealth Games.

Though the Men’s Sevens team has had a successful start to 2018, the captain and playmaker would be a welcome addition as the team prepares itself for the World Cup in San Francisco.

“It’s great to welcome back Lewis and his experience,” coach Tim Walsh said to rugby.com.au

Holland isn’t the only player returning from injury with Tom Lucas also selected in the squad for London. Lucas is the brother of Brumby Matt and Queensland Red Ben, so there is clearly some good stock in the Lucas family.

Boyd Killingworth comes in as another change, with Triston Reilly earning a second cap and Joe Pincus earning a debut.

Walsh has been impressed by Pincus, claiming he has all the attributes to be a great Sevens player.

“He’s done his apprenticeship and has been knocking down the door of selection for a while now and the whole squad is excited to see him make his debut on the Twickenham turf in London.” Said Walsh

The Men’s Sevens team is looking to improve on their second place result in Singapore that saw them lose to Fiji after the final siren in the Cup Final.

Australian Men’s Sevens team for London 7s

  1. Joe Pincus*
  2. Tom Connor
  3. Sam Myers
  4. Lewis Holland (C)
  5. Ben O’Donnell
  6. John Porch
  7. Tim Anstee
  8. Triston Reilly
  9. Boyd Killingworth
  10. Tom Lucas
  11. Maurice Longbottom
  12. Lachie Anderson
  13. 13th man. Liam McNamara

MADDOCKS RE-SIGNS

Jack Maddocks

Will Genia’s hair isn’t the only bright thing in Melbourne today as it was announce on melbournerebels.com that Jack Maddocks has re-signed with the Melbourne Rebels until 2020.

Maddocks has extended his contract into a third and fourth season with the club, after a debut in 2017 and a break out 2018, which includes 11 games, 6 tries and a hat-trick he scored against the Sunwolves.

Maddocks has played in all but one game for the Rebels in 2018, rotating between the Wing and Full Back, the later as cover for the injured Dane Haylett-Petty.

Jack said all the things you would expect a player to say as they resign “We are definitely on the right track to building a long-term, successful club and I can’t wait to be a part of it.”

He also talked of his ambition to be a Wallaby, something that could be on the cards, now that he has caught the eye of Michael Cheika.

Rebels Coach and friend of Green and Gold Rugby Dave Wessels  was thrilled that Jack had chosen to stay in Melbourne over his native Sydney.

“We’re delighted that Jack has chosen to commit his future to our club and wants to continue his development in the environment we are building in Melbourne,” Wessels said.

“Jack is a quality person and has played well this year – a real testament to the work he’s put in. He’s highly-regarded within our club and by his teammates because of the way he plays the game; with a lot of love and care for the team.”

Will we see a new try scoring celebration between him and Genia in 2019?

CHEIKA LOOKING TO WRITE A NEW HISTORY

Wallabies-v-England-Suncorp-30

It might have been two years between an Aussie side beating a Kiwi side in Super Rugby, but it has been nearly 40 years since the Irish won on Australian soil.  In the eyes of the Wallabies coach though, it is our winning drought that concerns him.

Australia has lost their last two encounters with Ireland since Cheika took over, something that stings him more due to his previous coaching roles.

“I’ve had two matches against Ireland, which are important ones for me because of my connection with them and I’ve lost them both narrowly, at Lansdowne Rd.” Cheika said (Via rugby.com.au)

“The only thing about history is the opportunity to write it.”

Yesterday Michael Cheika fronted the media, just one week prior to the June Series team announcement, and whilst he didn’t give away any selection secrets he did discuss the challenge that the Wallabies face against an in form Ireland.

Cheika believes that the two side have different styles on the field but the focus for the Wallabies will be playing their game and reducing the number of penalties.

“I think one of the big things we can do to improve straight away is just reduce our penalties.”

“We need to play our football, which is an attacking style we like to play lots of phases, we like to play with a little bit of width as well,” he said.

This could also translate to, lets do the same thing over and over again and expect a different result, but 2018 is a new year so who knows.

Above all else, Cheika is emphasising the importance of the work ethic from players.

Pocock gives McMahon a little kiss

Pocock gives McMahon a little kiss

Cheika went on to play down the Biggie and 2pac style beef that rugby fans were expecting between devout Christian Israel Folau, and David Pocock, an advocate for same-sex rights and anti homophobia campaigner.

We all know what Folau said, and know how he doubled down after his conversation with Rugby Australia. Rugby fans also remember Pocock stopping a match to inform the referee of homophobic slurs being used. Naturally people were expecting issues in camp.

“(Folau and Pocock) were together talking. I know they’ve been talking as well and communicating since the camp,” (Via Fox Sports)

“If anything it allows them to have more of a connection in the fact they can discuss whatever they’re talking about and getting on with it. Because that’s exactly what they’ve been able to do.

“Not everyone always agrees with each other but when we get out here and play in the jersey together, we all get along.

The two Wallabies were among the senior group of players who recently met on the Gold Coast, where Michael Cheika laid down his ‘master plan’ for 2018 and the World Cup.

  • Funk

    I can’t believe it!!!! Can it really be possible in this day and age of Twits, Snappy and Insta, that two people with differing opinions can talk calmly and rationally without venom and vitriol????
    Oh the humanity…what will the media talk about? There must be some thing they can find for their clickbait.

    • Mart

      Ha yeah tell that to the press

  • Kiwi rugby lover

    Thanks Dylan. Good news on Maddocks I think he’s showing a fair bit of potential and it’s good to see him signing on for more. It’ll be intersting to see how Hodge goes at 10, I thought he was pretty average at 13 when he played there earlier in the season but I’ve heard a lot here say he does well at 10 so looking forward to seeing it.
    TBH I’m not really interested in what Cheika, or any of the coaches, have to say before a match. They somehow think it’s so much fun to play mind games and that they are so clever when in reality most of them just dribble shit. The only thing I’m really interested in is what they say after the game, I think that’s about the only time you hear anything that is actually honest.

    • Who?

      I wish they’d tried Maddocks at 10 over Hodge… Hodge is better at 12.

      • RedAnt

        do you think cheika put in a request?

        • Who?

          I don’t know? Because Larkham’s flagged that he’d like to see Maddocks at 10. So I genuinely don’t have a clue. But I did think that Wessels wouldn’t try Hodge at 10, that he saw him as a 12 (pretty sure there’s an article where he said that from earlier in the year)… Maybe there was a call put in?

        • Braveheart81

          Has Maddocks played any 10 since schoolboys? Debreczeni has been the worst performing player in the backline and Meakes and English generally quite good. I think it’s as much about getting their best players on the park as anything and Hodge has more experience at 10.

        • RedAnt

          Running Hodge at 10 seems a bit out of the blue though, and presumably not a long-term option… With the June tests not far off, the timing seems a little coincidental. Also don’t think Meakes has been going well. English 13 and Hodge 12 makes more sense to me. But 10 is a problem.

      • Kiwi rugby lover

        Yeah I can’t comment on that but they need a 10 and he had a poor game at 13

  • Funk

    Ireland Squad has been named…

    FORWARDS (18)
    Rory Best (Banbridge/Ulster) Captain 111 caps
    Tadhg Beirne (Scarlets) uncapped
    Jack Conan (Old Belvedere/Leinster) 7 caps
    Sean Cronin (St Mary’s College/Leinster) 61 caps
    Tadhg Furlong (Clontarf/Leinster) 23 caps
    Cian Healy (Clontarf/Leinster) 78 caps
    Iain Henderson (Ballynahinch/Ulster) 38 caps
    Rob Herring (Ballynahinch/Ulster) 3 caps
    Dan Leavy (UCD/Leinster) 9 caps
    Jack McGrath (St Mary’s College/Leinster) 47 caps
    Jordi Murphy (Lansdowne/Leinster) 20 caps
    Peter O’Mahony (Cork Constitution/Munster) 47 caps
    Andrew Porter (UCD/Leinster) 7 caps
    Quinn Roux (Galwegians/Connacht) 5 caps
    James Ryan (UCD/Leinster) 8 caps
    John Ryan (Cork Constitution/Munster) 13 caps
    CJ Stander (Shannon/Munster) 23 caps
    Devin Toner (Lansdowne/Leinster) 58 caps

    BACKS (14)
    Bundee Aki (Galwegians/Connacht) 7 caps
    Ross Byrne (UCD/Leinster) uncapped
    Joey Carbery (Clontarf/Leinster) 10 caps
    Andrew Conway (Garryowen/Munster) 6 caps
    John Cooney (Terenure College RFC/Ulster) 1 cap
    Keith Earls (Young Munster/Munster) 67 caps
    Robbie Henshaw (Buccaneers/Leinster) 33 caps
    Rob Kearney (UCD/Leinster) 83 caps
    Jordan Larmour (St Mary’s College/Leinster) 3 caps
    Kieran Marmion (Corinthians/Connacht) 21 caps
    Conor Murray (Garryowen/Munster) 64 caps
    Garry Ringrose (UCD/Leinster) 13 caps
    Johnny Sexton (St Mary’s College/Leinster) 73 caps
    Jacob Stockdale (Ballynahnch/Ulster) 9 caps

    • Missing Link

      Still can’t believe Bunkee Aki swapped a Tui for an Guiness

      • Kiwi rugby lover

        The trouble is he wouldn’t have ever made the ABs mate. They can be pretty ruthless in this respect and usulayy because there are other players considered just that bit better there are a lot of very good players who just don’t make it.

        • juswal

          Missed the joke.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          I know. Joke font wasn’t working on the work computer. I’m such a sad fuck

        • Missing Link

          sorry been meaning to install comic sans for a while now :)

      • Adrian

        You’ve been waiting for the chance to say that for years haven’t you link?

    • McWarren

      That’s the A team then. Murray and Sexton behind that pack will be very hard to handle. We are going to need too play at or above our best, if that’s possible, to have any chance. And I’m not having a go at the Wallabies, this Irish team are truly dangerous and relentless. Can’t wait to see what happens. I’m in the nose bleeds for the first test with my entire Irish born family. TBH I’m a little scared of the aftermath.

      • Kiwi rugby lover

        I think there will be some good games. Australia will need to step up for sure but I think they can as long as they stay switched on. The two areas I have concerns about are the likelihood of an unbalanced loose forward group that will end up giving the dominance at the breakdown to Ireland and ineffectual kicking that will add pressure (& I mean by the 9&10 not just 10. Gotta stop stupid box kicks)

        • McWarren

          I think the Irish will pinpoint any lightweight or high ball carriers. They will hold them up and maul all day. You are right about our kicks, it’s been Achilles for a decade now. It’s a direct consequence of playing too much structure, our 9’s and 10’s don’t think through their kick choices.

          I hope we can win one game but I suspect a 3 nil series loss. I just hope it’s on the back of brilliant Irish rugby, not poor selections and execution on our behalf.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Yeah and there are a few lightweights around. While I feel sorry for Hanigan getting injured I am relieved he’s out of contention. With Hooper being totally ineffective at dominating in either defence or attack (& before I get mauled, I mean in driving the opposition backwards in the tackle, not that he can’t) the importance of a hard robust 6 & 8 becomes critical

        • Hoss

          ‘3 zip the paddies’ – that’s heresy !!

          Before i collect the required kindle and lighting devices, i will make one last pitch to bring you back to the light, the side of righteous and good and of natural order and cosmic balance.

          Macca, for your consideration, i beseech you:

          – We are mid-season, fit and with key Wallabies in reasonable fettle
          – Confidence is on the rise
          – We have a better (in its infancy i admit) coaching structures
          – We have (likely state) combinations across the field
          – Our back line will be the equal of the NZ’s for attacking threat
          – Our fowards will only be marginally lighter as a pack (Thor is about 175kg’s in his own right)
          – Nice balance of experience and youth (eg Thor / Douglas & Timu / Hooper)

          And, well, their Irish – the last time they put up a decent fight on our soil was the Castle Hill Rebellion of 1804 – lead by my great, great, great, great grand father General Joseph Holt – even he lost interest at half-time when the score was English Muskets 118, Paddie Revolt 12.

          Worlds number 2 team – yep, strong side yep, great series yep – beat us 3 nil – no farking way. They may get one, but that will be game 3 as we start turning our attention to Voldermort and his lot across the detch.

          We will be too smart and not play the game the way they want – in the words of one of their own immortal countrymen………..“Never wrestle with pigs. You both get dirty and the pig likes it’

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Mate there is no way in seven sides of hell that your backline will be the equal of ours. For a start we have multiple 10’s who can kick and just get better from there.

        • Hoss

          Yeah well ours has, the, umm, with the, option of, and he comes in as, while, yep.

          So there.

      • Keith Butler

        Expect the full Irish pack to put the Aussies through the meat grinder just like they did in the 6Ns. They may have to rethink their box kicking game as Folau is deadly on the kick return. Should be an interesting series which I reckon the Irish will shade. Flying in from Tassie for the Melbourne test. Can’twait.

        • Kevino

          Agree about Folau, but also know how accurate Murray is on the box kick that I think he will be sending kicks down the wings throats with good chasers adding pressure.

        • Hoss

          No way KB – keep the faith. June will see the return of the ‘smart Wallabies’ of years gone by.

          Take the Paddies out of their comfort zone on dry, fast tracks and beat the Guinness Gorillas 3 nil.

        • Keith Butler

          I may wear the English Rose on my right arm but I have the Boxing Kangaroo on my left ( to celebrate becoming a citizen). I’ll be cheering for the Green and Gold on the 16th. Late present for reaching retirement with only a few war wounds curtesy of 30 odd years and of playing rugby in the ‘engine room’.

        • Ed

          Ate you saying we Wallabies are flat (dry) track bullies Hoss? I worry when an Australian side has to play on a wet track.

      • Who?

        Nose bleeds at Suncorp? Did you go the Rugby Family tix? Wondering, because they were all in the nosebleeds… I’m at the northern end, lower tier on the side (same price), knowing that whoever wins, I win (Irish born).

        • McWarren

          I believe we are at the northern end as well, in the middle. I think it is an Irish designated section? So you’ll spot me in gold easily.

        • Hoss

          I got some sort of ‘stick it to the NSWelsman’ package last time i went. I bought Platinum tickets $225 / pop for Gold v The Darkness and i shit you not, my back was against the wall, very top row of the grandstand.

          I wasnt the only one – those around me erupted as well as there were people who paid $60 – $80 who had better seats.

          Haven’t been back since and i used to go every year (about 9 in a row) stayed at South Bank Rydges, walked everywhere and had a great long weekend

          Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice – no fucking way.

        • Who?

          You can’t just assume anything with RA seating prices… You’ve got to look at the seating chart very carefully to figure out where they have the different colours.
          That said, the only way you’ll pay under $90/seat for The Darkness at Suncorp (because that’s standard Bronze pricing all decade) is if you can get ‘Adults at Kids Prices’ Family pricing as part of the ‘Rugby Family’, which might – MIGHT – see you get away at $45/ticket at the ends (which is what I’ve traditionally done. Including when the whole family – including the then 14 month old – went to the Lions in 2013. Aussies only section, guys in front had been out 9 years, bloke next to me was fresh off the flight from Cork! No TRC for me this year – I’m only going to Ireland). There’ll be people nearby who’ve paid silver and gold prices. Platinum is always down the sides (but no guarantee of elevation). And I think there’s a ‘ruby’ level as well..?
          Smaller stadium, so the tickets are ALL expensive, certainly more expensive than Homebush.

    • Fatflanker

      Very pleased Ireland are bringing the A-team and coming to make a statement. Of course, here’s hoping it backfires spectacularly for them :-)

    • st saens

      Love those Celtic names…Bundee, CJ etc

      • 22DropOut

        Ireland is a pretty cosmopolitan place. and CJ isn’t a name.

    • Brumby Runner

      Quite a few new names to me in that squad. Surely Rob Herring’s nick name would have to be Red?

  • Missing Link

    Rebels looking good with some ins – looks like Deb must have been injured in the last game, anyway this has forced a change, not the change we expected but lets see how Hodge goes.

  • Adrian

    Thanks Dylan
    Good stuff.

    It seems we are slowly getting the pieces of the jigsaw together re squad for Ireland games.

    We know Uelese will be there if he gets though the Rebels game I think. We know there will be about 33 in the squad, and we know he (Cheika) will pick OS bound players like Naiyaravoro and Douglas if he wants them.

    He will name team next week on Chip an Chance or whatever it is called on Fox. Another example of too cozy between Fox and RA maybe?

    Anyway, only a couple of weeks + a couple of days to go..

    • Kiwi rugby lover

      It’s good that he has the flexibility to pick players going overseas but I bet there’s a few over there now a bit pissed how he chops and changes

  • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

    ‘Cheika believes that the two side have different styles on the field but the focus for the Wallabies will be playing their game and reducing the number of penalties.’

    In reality Ireland have plan Bs and Cs to fall back to. If Australia’s plan A doesn’t work we just do plan A harder until we run around like headless chooks and concede 50 points to Scotland.

    That being said, our performances against New Zealand show that when we get it right, it can work. I just hope that Cheika accepts that kicking is a part of the game and uses a less rigid game plan. If we don’t then Ireland will starve us of the ball and/or trap us in our 22.

    • Kevino

      Haha, will be interesting.

      Ireland seem to produce the most disciplined game plan time and time again.

      In the 6 nations they only gave away 34 penalties over 5 games (Ave 7). Wallabies averaged 10 per game for the rugby championship. Take into consideration Ireland will take the 3 points more often than not in there own half and have one of the best line outs at the moment the Wallabies will be in massive trouble if they get it wrong.

      Ireland have currently won 12 in a row, a clean sweep will being them to 15, Italy in Chicago, Argentina in Dublin would mean they could be setting up to go for number 18 against the All Blacks in Dublin.

      • Adrian

        Ireland retained posession for very long periods in 6 Nations, and kicked a bit less….and fewer penalties. From what I have read (and seen a bit of), they are very structured, and did get carved up on a few occasions by backline plays. I think Scotland, Italy and maybe Wales did this to them. Waratah tactics might be just the thing.

    • Bernie Chan

      We have a plan…?

  • Will

    One of the most frustrating parts of our previous games against the Irish was our inability to learn from their choke tackles that repeatedly stopped our momentum. Our leaders need to be making sure wallaby body height going into contact doesn’t leave us open for being held up, and if we do get held up we need some serious support to clean out or topple the potential maul into a ruck. Watching this happen again and again drove me to drink!

    • Happyman

      Luchan Tui would be a concern as although a very effective ball runner he does have a tendency to carry into contact a little high. I understand he is back from injury with his club this weekend.

      • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

        The only way I can see Lukhan getting into the team is on the bench.

        Then again Cheika really doesn’t like Higgers and so if Tui is injured then perhaps Tui will be put at blindside flanker.

    • muppet

      I’ll never forgive Les Kiss for teaching them that

    • 22DropOut

      Every test side is at it these days. I think Ireland has developed far beyond that. Gone are the days where Ireland doesn’t have strength in depth either. Should be a cracking series.

  • Braveheart81

    James Slipper stood down for a mandatory period of two months and fined $27,000 for a second breach of the illicit drugs policy for cocaine use.

    • Will

      What a dickhead.

      • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

        Apparently he has been suffering from personal issues.

        Not saying that what he did was alright, but I wouldn’t jump to the conclusion that he’s a dickhead as a result. He has always come across very well to me in interviews.

        • onlinesideline

          He’s about to have a couple more too.

        • Funk

          But what else would you call someone who has sat there and watched the whole KHunt saga, then get done once and told you’re on a warning and will be regularly tested, only to get caught again…
          With all my sympathy to those suffering depression, what he did was a dickhead move.

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          To me ‘dickhead’ has connotations of nastiness, meanness or lack of disregard for others.

          I’d say it was a stupid thing to do, so perhaps a stupid man. But I would ask why he felt the need to do it given those circumstances you’ve elucidated upon above. Given how out of character this is compared to his behaviour in the past I’d assume that he made a stupid decision but must be really struggling in his personal life.

        • Funk

          Yeah, see I read “dickhead” as someone who has done a stupid thing, not nastiness..

        • onlinesideline

          yeah in this context its meant more as a muppet than a dickHEAD, although considering this was the second time I think Kermit wouldn’t be impressed either.

        • Will

          A second breach though? I’m all for giving guys a fair go – but given the crap that has gone on with other Reds members and the white stuff – this is just stupid.

    • Funk

      WTF????

    • onlinesideline

      As I was reading it I immediately thought steroids and then read cocaine. Last guy in the world I would everrrr think cocaine. Incredible. I’d say thats it for him at Wallaby level as his reds season is well and truly over and too many younger blokes hitting peak form next year. I think hes done. Off to the UK Jimithy !

  • IIPA

    Still nothing on the Karate Kid, Nabura? I smell something fishy….

    • Missing Link

      Reduced ban if he agreed to represent Fiji in greco-roman wrestling at the next olympics?

      • Kiwi rugby lover

        Gold

        • Greg

          I can’t read “greco-roman wrestling” without thinking of Roy and HG!

          Was that the call where they had a move called the battered sav?

        • Moz

          It was actually in the Men’s Gymnastics, with the floor routine – when they did the tumble and landed rather heavily on the mat, and gave the sav a bit of a battering….

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVoQbt0sCyY

    • Braveheart81

      On Kick and Chase last night they said it was now happening today.

  • Bernie Chan

    ABC News reports James Slipper has been suspended for testing positive twice for cocaine…! Twice…! Faark…rugby is so messed up.

  • Brisneyland Local

    Well with Slipper getting done for coke, that is two players in the Qld reds! One excuseable. Two, points to a cultural issue. Whilst this is not Thorns fault, it is obvious that his cultural change piece is not going as well as expected.
    This is not good for Queensland, and is not good for RA, and the Wallabies.
    I wish Mr Slipper the best of luck with his his personal demons! However, being busted twice for the same problem, regardless of the issues you are facing, is a very, very bad look! Especially when you have just watched one of your team mates go the plank for said same issue.
    I am now concerned that Qld can not welcome James Slipper back into the fold, after he has served his penalty. Otherwise it screams inconsistency!

    • SuckerForRed

      Yeah. See my comment… Should we ask who his dealer was/is?

    • Funk

      I’d like to know who conducted the testing, was it in-house Reds or ASADA or RA? Wendell got a 2 year suspension for returning a positive sample?

      • Braveheart81

        RA. Sailor tested positive to an in-competition test subject to WADA/ASADA sanctions. This was an out of competition test and they can do what they like with illicit drug positives per WADA rules.

        • Funk

          Apparently the second positive was with in the last month?

        • Braveheart81

          Yes. Slipper hasn’t played for a month has he?

      • Brisneyland Local

        I think that info will come out in time.

    • Waz_dog

      Turn it up. So if someone has two people in their workforce that smokes weed, is an alcoholic or takes whatever on the weekend it’s now a cultural problem…. fark me. Tell me about the time your old boss told you something while you’re at it brisney.

      You don’t know the situation and you never will. But feel free to comment on how the QRU should sack the squad because of two separate events. Tits on a bull much?

      • Brisneyland Local

        Thanks for the comment Waz Dog! My or most other peoples work place are not under the same restrictive drug rules that professional sports people are under. That is the fundamental difference. And it is a big difference.
        Two players out of the squad in less than 12 months demonstrates that there is obviously an issue. I do not see any other players in the Aus SR franchise s (yet) in the news for this problem? Correct me if I am wrong!

        • Waz_dog

          You’ve based this off assumptions and insinuations.

          Shoot then ask questions eh?

        • Brisneyland Local

          No the RA, ASADA/WADA drug rules are pretty set in stone and have been for ages. The punishments to those who have breached them are also factual, and on record.

        • Waz_dog

          I’m pretty sure the facts are:

          Hunt – charged with coke x 2 (1 x dropped). Never tested positive.

          Slipper – never charged with coke. Tested positive x 2.

          Both involve coke and that’s where the similarities stop. Completely separate events and nothing to do with the culture of the Reds. Keep drawing your long bow though.

  • SuckerForRed

    Media release from RU just hit – James Slipper out for 2 months and fined due to two positive tests for cocaine between February & May 2018.

    Should we ask who his dealer is/was?

    • Brisneyland Local

      That is a good question. And the QRU would be very wise to ask it, and not take no for an answer on that one.

      • Braveheart81

        Given he was self medicating for depression that he was hiding from everyone I think it is very unlikely he bought drugs from his teammate.

        • Brisneyland Local

          Potentially. But what if other team mate was “self medicating” for personal demons? However, either way, two positive tests means the issue wasnt addressed! This is really not a good scenario!

        • Braveheart81

          I don’t think it’s any more likely than all the Reds buying their groceries at the same supermarket.

          Not really surprising that someone self medicating wasn’t able to fix the problem within a few months.

        • Brisneyland Local

          BH, not stating or insinuating that one was selling to the other. BUt this is such a bad look for QLD and RA.How they handle it will be telling!

        • Hoss

          I know your a wounded Red mate, but i reckon they (QRU & RA) have started well in this matter.

          Despite stupidity from their employees, despite moral outrage from us fans, despite disappointment, frustration and commercial loss to the organisation they (QRU & RA) have a duty of care and they have so far taken very appropriate steps and should be (golf clap) congratulated thus far.

        • Brisneyland Local

          Whole heartedly agree on QRU and RA management of the issue. Yes they have a duty care and they so far seem to be executing that well!

        • MST

          I am wondering which one of your suggestions is more disturbing. If a you suggesting it has not been facilitated by somebody within the Reds setup (directly or indirectly) are you suggesting that there are more connections to suppliers of illicit substances and that to type of “cohort” that supplies such substances to the Reds?

          I would find it unlikely a person suffering from depression is out and about trying to find a perveyor of that type of substance without some previous knowledge, connection or assistance.

          Its unlikely he just tripped over it while out walking or some kind hearted stranger he bumped in to randomly thought he looked depressed and offered him something to self medicate.

          Oh, btw, those generally in possession of an illicit substance who don’t self medicate are usually called dealers.

        • Braveheart81

          A clear insinuation was made in previous posts that considering another Reds player had got into trouble for cocaine then that was probably where Slipper’s supply was coming from too. I think that is not very likely. It is not like there is a shortage of supply in any Australian capital city.

          Self-medicating as in using it as a treatment or escape from his depression. I wouldn’t classify someone who uses cocaine as part of their party lifestyle as necessarily self-medicating. I don’t think depression is a pre-requisite for cocaine use.

        • idiot savant

          Ive often wondered if cocaine isn’t used as a training aid in pro sport. (As well as a wild night out.) Slipper came back after a long lay off looking pretty fit and his first offence was in February before the season started.

          Is it possible that in the right doses it can help to push players harder in training? There have been a lot of AFL players tested positive and no shortage of NRL players. I remember pseudoephedrine tablets being around in the 80s as a half time jolt and I think it has similar effects to cocaine.

        • Braveheart81

          They get performance benefits from caffeine and it’s legal so I doubt many would risk the ban for what is likely only a modest improvement over caffeine. Penalties in competition are steep.

        • Brumby Runner

          Thought they all had a deal going with Steve Walshe?

        • Hoss

          Sheeee-it, he is the last person i would have thought would have had an affair with ‘Charlie’.

          BT will earn his keep this year, he will earn every bloody dollar.

          Due credit to RA for getting on the front foot with this and not responding, but being pro-active

          I wish Slipper well with addressing his demons.

        • Brisneyland Local

          Concur! Can the Reds take him back?

        • Hoss

          Cant see why not mate, i reckon he has a different status to that of dumb@#khunt.

          I appreciate the offences are the same but circumstances may warrant a softer landing for Slips than the aforementioned party boy.

        • Brisneyland Local

          Fair enough!
          Do you think that opens them up to the critiscism of inconsistency?

        • Hoss

          The opposite mate. They opened the door for @dumb#khunt for return & redemption. It was strike 2 that killed him off.

          No doubt Slipper will feel a tightening in the rectal area once Thorne reads him the riot act (at a later stage) but the QRU have shown a tolerance to accept one mistake and offer a lifeline.

          Slips could always go to the AFL where there’s a 12 strikes and you out policy – well, your out for a week anyway……..

        • Brisneyland Local

          Pure gold.!

        • Hoss

          Interesting selections from BT this week. Douglas to bench Hockings to start – i thought Douglas is back to near-on 2015 form, he has been terrific. Perese is in and Dauguru out of 23 all together and Timu back on the bench. I guess there’s some experience on the bench if the boys are still in it with 30 to go. I dont mind the Reds chances this week and have them in a multi to win at 7.5 plus.

          A bit of scandal & turmoil can also galvanise a side (or completely screw them)

          But i dont like Stewart at 15 and Lance at 10, they should be other way round. Jono couldnt spark a fire at a fuel dump with a flame thrower – Stewart on the other hand…..

          Lastly – is Higgers a smokey for Gold – i would have him in the squad ?

          Come on the Reds

        • Brisneyland Local

          Yeah I just re-read them! They are intersting!
          – Yeah Douglas has come good in the last few games. At the start of the season he looked to really be running the clock out!
          – The bench looks to have a bit of gas if they are still in the hunt!
          – I agree on swapping Lance and Stewart! Lance just doesnt have anything to offer at 10.
          – Yep Higgers is looking better. still gives away too many penalties for my liking!

        • Tah Tragic

          Agree that Stewart and Lance should swap. I just wonder if BT is easing Stewart into SR. He is still very young. He is definitely a long term prospect but we don’t want him to burn out. It is looking good for the Reds in the next few years.
          A tad harsh on Jono.

        • Hoss

          Agree re Stewart mate, but he started him a few weeks back and the kid just seemed the right fit. Good temperament, terrific tackle, good hands, can kick.

          Its the old Bradman adage my blue buddy – if your good enough – you’re old enough !!

          Lance is solid and consistent, but theres some red hot attackers around him and forwards who can provide decent quality pill, i am not looking for flash, but just someone who can get it wide consistently. I am bitter and twisted with him from last week, i had them in a multi to beat the Canes and with 5 to go and a penalty with the chance to go on attacking lineout 10m out from the Canes line, he didn’t find touch and my multi crashed. shit,fuck,bugger, crap and my tourettes fuck, bugger, shit, anus started up again. Then we lost our lineout ball with 2 to go and dont even get me bugger,fuck, spew, shit, anus started on O’Keefe.

        • disqus_NMXfOrw5ot

          You crack me up every day Hoss!

        • Adrian

          I think dropping Duagunu is a very poor selection by Qld.

          I know his defence last week was poor v monsters, but he has done ok defensively other times, got turnovers at times, and scored tries when nothing was on offer.

          I noticed also that this was speculated about in some media a couple of days ago.

          I think that this will backfire, irrespective of how good Perese is.

        • Hoss

          Disagree with you on this one mate.

          For his undoubted flair he concedes too many and its not just technique its reading the D. He flew out of the line last week and go no-one and left his inside backs looking like the products of cousins having children. I get big guy on tiny guy, but he was never in the contest for a number of reasons and this can scar him and take the edge / confidence of his attack.

          I think a week or two in Reggies, get his mojo back and then back via the pine highway. That and Perese has Wallaby written large all over him

        • idiot savant

          Yep its the regulation dropping to make him go away and work on his defence. I would’ve sent Kerevi down earlier in the season for the same reason. Daugunu will be back. I wouldn’t mind seeing him play full back at club level either. A backline next year of Sorovi, Stewart, Perese, DPA, Kerevi, Petaia, and Daugunu could give a bit of cheek. Dont know where Folau is going to play!

        • Hoss

          Yep – Kerevi actually tops the competition (Rugby.com.au) for missed tackles.

        • Adrian

          Well, I hope you are right Hoss, and I hope it doesn’t scar the guy…or get him depressed!

          Re Reds, … they should be competitive in this match, but I can’t see them scoring enough to win it

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          I actually think they can mate. The Highlanders are a team that plays to a pattern and if you disrupt that they struggle. That’s what happened against the Tahs. The Reds will need to play well but I think they can do it

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          I agree. Hot on attack but good teams will always take advantage of his shit defence

        • idiot savant

          Re Higgers. Are you channeling the old Cheika/Orwell double speak? I think if all the 6 and 8s at every level from super rugby down to Shute Shield 3rd grade suddenly contracted the Ebola virus, Higgers might be a smokey. Somehow I think there a guy in the Gunnedah 4ths he might prefer.

        • laurence king

          I agree with you in regard to Higgers, this young Reds side could be the making of him in terms of leading from the front. If there are a few of them picked for the Wallabies, these young fellas would follow the man. Just a thought

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Mate Higgers is past his use by date. Still very good at Super level mostly but he’d be shown up at the next. I also don’t think him and Smith are providing the mentoring they should be and that’s a worry

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          I think so mate. But, and it’s a big BUT, he’ll need to go through a pretty tough period of rehab

        • Adrian

          I’m no expert, but coke for depression?

        • idiot savant

          Things go better with coke.

        • Adrian

          Apparently,…but I just get it for the articles

        • McWarren

          It’s the rum that helps with depression

        • idiot savant

          Yep and good for murder suicide too.

        • disqus_NMXfOrw5ot

          You most definitely don’t take coke for depression. Very short lived high, followed by a multi-day come down, which is only amplified by depression. Anyone with depression would be wise to keep away from any sort of amphetamines (and pretty much all drugs and alcohol really). Not to say that everyone is wise in these situations.

    • Kiwi rugby lover

      Perhaps it starts with H**t

    • idiot savant

      I am dismayed by this revelation. James Slipper has always struck me an honest hard working no complaints no tickets on himself kinda guy. He seemed an excellent captain, respected by players and officials. Ive seen him be the club man, run water and messages and just try to help out his team mates. I only hope that his team mates now return the favour.

      • disqus_NMXfOrw5ot

        “I am dismayed by this revelation. James Slipper has always struck me an honest hard working… etc”. I’d imagine, in that case then, that you’d probably also be dismayed if you found out the percentage of high functioning, casual drug users there are in our society. Quite similar to the number of high functioning, casual alcohol users there are in our society. You’d probably also be dismayed at the number of Reds (and other professional sportsmen) who take coke (and other drugs (and alcohol)) on the odd occasion. I’d be willing to bet my house that it is far more than just Hunt and Slipper. Those are just the two that got caught.

        You’re probably wondering why I keep referring to alcohol. Well you’d probably also be dismayed if you took an objective comparison of alcohol and “drugs”, and came to realise that alcohol is one of the most powerful, addictive, and damaging drugs. It is not commonly seen as such simply because of a few twists and turns in history. The fact that “drugs” are seen as evil and rightfully illegal, and yet alcohol is seen as acceptable and rightfully legal, is a truly bizarre twist in history.

        Once that sinks in, you might even be dismayed to discover that most “drugs”, just like alcohol, when taken occasionally, are fun at the time, but make you feel a bit shit the next day. And that most “drugs”, just like alcohol, if you take too much too often, can make a complete mess of your life. But also, with most “drugs”, just like alcohol, some people manage to take too much too often and still function pretty much normally, getting through life with a job and a family just fine.

        Once that sinks in, you may actually get to the point of thinking, what the hell, maybe I should try a little bit of weed, or coke, or ecstasy, or LSD, or ice, or heroine, or etc, and see what all the fuss is about. And then you might be dismayed to discover that most of the horrible things your hear about drugs are a complete pile of crap.

        • idiot savant

          Not sure where your rehab is up to NMX but my dismay was not at the act. I confess under GAGR privilege to no longer being a choir boy myself. (Ok yes I was once). I am dismayed at the impact this public shaming will have on a decent guy and yes I agree with you that there are hordes of us lapsed choir boys drinking, snorting, sucking, mainlining, and generally getting f****ed up to cope with the stress of life. Im not passing judgement on that. Im genuinely upset for a decent bloke whose life just got a whole lot harder.

        • disqus_NMXfOrw5ot

          Cool cool, I think we are totally on the same page then.

        • disqus_NMXfOrw5ot

          Ps – my rehab is currently part way through an early Dry July. Haven’t touched anything stronger than a cup of coffee for 3 weeks straight so far, and have never felt better about life in quite a while. Don’t particularly have an end date for this Dry July, but I know I’ll break it sooner or later, since continually refusing to drink a beer when a mate invites you out for a beer will eventually get you excommunicated from social life. But I also know I’ll be doing these Dry July’s more often!

          Now if only I knew how to get hold of ecstasy as good as it was in the old days I’d be perfectly happy with life :D

        • Kokonutcreme

          “I’d be willing to bet my house that it is far more than just Hunt and Slipper. Those are just the two that got caught.”

          Earlier this year Samoan player Eliot Fuimaono-Sapolu in response to Karmichael Hunt’s cocaine possession charge tweeted a response to a Welsh journalist about cocaine use “You’ll find loads of ballers do it. Heaps in Super Rugby including some of your favourite All Blacks.”

          At the time, nobody took him seriously but this latest incident certainly raises questions. In the past 12 months police have caught Kevin Proctor, Jesse Bromwich, Karmichael Hunt, James O’Connor and Ali Williams all apparently involved in purchases of coke. Former Highlander turned Scotland international John Hardie was suspended last year for alleged coke use. Only difference between Slipper and this gallery of perps is that he tested positive, the others were arrested by police. So do the math.

          I’m not passing judgement on Slipper but I find it curious that people are quick to label transgressors in two categories personified by Slipper’s and Hunt’s character.

          Anyone can make a mistake, anyone can purchase and use drugs, anyone can become addicted to drugs. Why do we need to differentiate?

      • Kiwi rugby lover

        I agree mate. I actually feel really bad for him. Poor bugger I hope he gets the help he needs

  • Moz

    Are they sure it wasn’t Troy Kinne who tested positive? I’ve always thought he looks a lot like Slipper…. Maybe he could do the righty by Oz rugby and put his hand up. Or, can he pack down a scrum?

  • McWarren

    Can I suggest to all props who feel like doing something stupid to cheer themselves up, try knocking the head off an opposition players shoulders instead of coking your way to happiness. It’s cheaper, you only miss two weeks and in the future you can watch it over and over again to get back to that happy place.

  • Adrian

    Slipper of all people?
    Thought he was a Rugby chap, but maybe he has steayed from BT’s flock,…or mixed with rif-raf,..or coke dealers?

    • Habitual offender

      Perhaps picked the wrong proxy?
      Wouldnt be the first Id heard of it, dunno how strict the actual testing is.

  • idiot savant

    Good idea. Id try him at 2 with lifters in a defending line out when the opposition is 5 metres out and thinking of a rolling maul. High risk but just might make them throw long!

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