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Thursdays Rugby News big names returning, NRC fixture announced, Rebel might return to sevens and NRC not the way back for Cooper or Hunt.


 

BIG NAMES RETURN FOR BIG DERBY

Marika Koroibete  shapes to lob a pass.

The Rebels and the Reds have listed some big name inclusions in what will shape up to be an important match for both clubs. The Rebels need this win to keep their finals hopes alive and both clubs want to make up for their loses from last week.

The Reds welcome back Wallaby lock Izack Rodda, who was sorely missed when the Reds went down to the Blues in Auckland. Caleb Timu returns to the starting squad, pushing Lukhan Tui to the bench. Not the worse selection headache to have for Brad Thorn.

The tough calls came in trying to replace the injured Samu Kerevi, with 18-year-old Jordan Petaia pulling on the 13 jersey. Replacing Petaia on the right wing is another first year star, Filipo Daugunu.

“It’s really disappointing to lose Samu Kerevi to injury. He has been in great form all year,” coach Brad Thorn said.

“We’ve had bit of an injury toll in that position, along with Chris Feauai-Sautia, Izaia Perese and Ben Lucas, but in saying that, it’s an opportunity for Jordan Petaia.

“He has done a fantastic job in his first year of Super Rugby as an 18-year-old.

Switching over to the men from Melbourne, with Marika Koroibete, Tetera Faulkner and Jermaine Ainsley back in the starting squad and Richard ‘Dickie’ Hardwick coming onto the bench.

Koroibete was a late out last week, pulling out on the day of the Tahs clash due to back spasms. His start pushes Super Sefa Niavalu to the bench. Faulkner comes back into the starting squad after an extended injury break; his return pushes Ben Daly out of the match day 23 all together.

The match is an important one for the Rebels, not only do they look to still make finals, they are looking to break the clubs win record of 8 by grabbing their ninth for the season. Flanker Colby Fainga’a is all set to celebrate his 100thSuper Rugby cap.

“100 matches at any level is fantastic achievement, but to do it in the most challenging provincial rugby tournament in the world, is a testament to quality of character and player of Colby. He makes the team walk a bit taller with his impact on-field, and we hope we can make Friday night extra special for him.” Melbourne Rebels Head Coach, Dave Wessels said.

“We’re here to win games of rugby, keep building on the improvement of the two last months and to do something really special with this group of players.”

Reds Squad

1. JP Smith 2. Brandon Paenga-Amosa 3. Taniela Tupou 4. Izack Rodda 5. Kane Douglas 6. Caleb Timu 7. George Smith 8. Scott Higginbotham (C) 9. Moses Sorovi 10. Hamish Stewart 11. Eto Nabuli 12. Duncan Paia’aua 13. Jordan Petaia 14. Filipo Daugunu 15. Jono Lance16. Alex Mafi 17. Harry Hoopert 18. Ruan Smith 19. Lukhan Tui  20. Angus Scott-Young  21. Tate McDermott22. Teti Tela  23. Aidan Toua

Rebels Squad

1. Tetera Faulkner 2. Anaru Rangi 3. Jermaine Ainsley 4. Matt Philip 5. Geoff Parling  6. Angus Cottrell 7. Colby Fainga’a 8. Amanaki Mafi 9. Michael Ruru 10. Reece Hodge 11. Marika Koroibete 12. Billy Meakes 13. Tom English (C) 14. Jack Maddocks 15. Dane Haylett-Petty 16. Nathan Charles 17. Fereti Sa’aga 18. Sam Talakai 19. Ross Haylett-Petty 20. Richard Hardwick 21. Harrison Goddard 22. Jack Debreczeni 23. Sefa Naivalu

 

NRC FIXTURE ANNOUNCED

NRC 2017 winners

In less than two months the NRC will be back for its fifth season with a few shake up and a lick of paint to try and build up the competition. The now 8-team competition will feature seven Australian teams and one Fijian.

This year the NRC will look to build a traditional rivalry between NSW Country and Sydney, similar to the one established by Queensland between Brisbane City and Queensland Country, and welcomes the Western Force who come in, in place of the Perth Spirit, after their World Series Rugby campaign.

For all of you with Foxtel Sports package or the Fox Sports live stream, you will be able to watch two games a weekend on TV and live stream the other two through the Fox Sports App or online.

Sydney will only have one team this year, who will play their home gamesat Leichhardt Oval, Woollahra Oval and Concord Oval.

The Melbourne Rising wont actually play in Melbourne (Southern Rising maybe?), but will play in Geelong, Ballarat and an interstate home match against Brisbane City in Adelaide.

NSW Country’s home matches will be played in Mudgee, Armidale and Camden. The Country vs. City rivalry will kick off with a mid week game on September 19th.

Brisbane City will look to the local club rugby grounds for their home games playing at Norths, Wests and Easts Rugby Clubs

Defending champions, Queensland Country will look to maintain their status playing home games in Townsville, Mackay and on the Gold Coast.

Canberra Vikings will keep their namesake stadium of Viking Park for their home games.

The Western Force will now be the Western Australian based team, replacing the Perth Spirit. After their run in World Series Rugby, the Perth team will be using UWA Sports Park as their home ground.

Fiji Drua will host the Rising in the season opener in Suva, and will get their Grand Final replay against last seasons winners, Queensland Country.

CEO of Rugby Australia Raelene Castle said “The standout feature of the NRC is that the quality of Rugby has grown each season and there are some exciting changes this year to build the connection with fans. It is also an excellent opportunity for Super Rugby players to share their experiences with young up and coming talent.

“A great tradition has been revived in New South Wales with the return of the city versus country rivalry, which has been successful in Queensland through the first four years of the competition.

“A strong Western Force team will enter the competition off the back of their World Series Rugby campaign and fans in Adelaide and Townsville will also get to see NRC matches, along with a host of other regional centres in New South Wales.

“Being accessible to the community is the key to the success of the NRC and it is great to see many teams take the initiative to spread their home matches around and give more fans the opportunity to watch some quality Rugby in their own communities.

“We also thank FOX SPORTS for their continued support of the NRC in providing access for all Australians to get behind the competition through its TV and digital platforms.”

It will be interesting to see crowds this year, given how much these teams move around, it would be hard to go to every home match to support your club, unless you are in WA or ACT.

Check out the full draw here.

HUTCHINSON BACK IN SEVENS FOLD

Henry Hutchinson came on as a replacement

Aussie Sevens coach Tim Walsh is hoping he will have Melbourne Rebel and Rio Olympian, Henry Hutchinson, in his squad bound for the World Cup in San Francisco.

Having played Sevens for two seasons, including at the Rio Olympics, Hutchinson signed a two-year deal with the Rebels but has struggled to find any game time in Super Rugby but stood out in a World Series Rugby match against the Western Force.

Hutchinson has been training with the Sevens team recently, indicating he may have been released by the Rebels according to Rugby.com.au

Walsh believes that Hutch’s time with the Rebels has helped him grow as a player and a person.

“As a person he’s grown but it’s still pretty early.

“The experience that he’d probably get out of being in a Super club in amongst world-class players who have been veterans for years in the international scene, he would’ve picked up a lot of valuable stuff there with being ruthless, professional and just that detail, which is great.

“So, I think he’s probably a more rounded player and that maturity, with time but also just (from) being in a different environment.”

Hutch happened to choose a team that has incredible depth in its back 3 positions. With the two Fijian Flyers in Koroibete and Naivalu, the rising star Maddocks and DHP it would be a hard team to break into. With Semisi Tupou in favour and Hodge and Debreczeni able to play fullback it was always going to be hard for young Hutch to get a game.

Here’s hoping he can hone in on his playmaking skills during this time and help fill the needs Australian Rugby has for talented young playmakers in 15s.

The Rugby World Cup Seven’s starts July 20that AT&T Park in San Francisco.

NRC NOT ON THE CARDS FOR COOPER OR HUNT

Mick Heenan - Brisbane City NRC Coach (Credit QRU)

Now it appears there is even less love for Quade Cooper in Queensland than first thought, with Brisbane City coach Mick Heenan declaring there isn’t much logic in picking Cooper or Karmichael Hunt this NRC season.

The out of favour Cooper and the disgraced Hunt have been over looked all season, after coach Brad Thorn declared he was going in a different direction in an effort to rebuild the Reds. It now appears that they wont earn their way back through their time playing for Brisbane.

“I’m just kind of waiting to hear from a few people as to how all that will play out,” Heenan told Rugby.com.au.

“I don’t know what the contract situation is yet and whether they will be around or not.

“Obviously NRC is a development pathway for the Reds and if those guys aren’t involved there, there probably isn’t much logic having them in an NRC side.”

Nick Frisby has returned from his overseas stint and would also be eligible but it is believed there are other clubs interested in his talents that would see out his contract.

The QRU have not made a statement regarding the selection of unwanted players, it is believed they will leave the NRC coaches to select whichever team they want, as they have done in previous years. No word on whether Queensland Country will look to use James Slipper in their 2018 campaign after he was suspended and all but removed from Thorn’s team.

 

 

  • 22DropOut

    Whatever about Slipper and Hunt who would be out for discipline issues, there is no justification in omitting Cooper who has not committed any such offences to the best of my knowledge.

    If he’s good enough, which he obviously is, he should be in.

    • disqus_NMXfOrw5ot

      Totally agree. If they don’t pick QC for the NRC then it will be a disgrace.

      • GO THE Q REDS

        It’s been a disgrace not being picked in the Reds squad all year. Still the biggest and most expensive(in many ways) farce in Aus rugby ‘I’ve’ ever seen!

    • Sure the NRC is a “development pathway”, but surely you’d want someone with his experience and skill to mentor those developing players. Not to mention that it is still a commercial venture and QC undoubtedly puts bums on seats and eyes on sets.

      This is just another petty/stupid management decision from the QRU. I’d love to know what crime he’s supposedly committed for one of our best ever players to be treated like this?

      • 22DropOut

        I feel that is the QRU take this attitude then they should just pay out his contract.

        • Happyman

          They cannot afford to

        • 22DropOut

          Would it not be better to write him off from an accounting perspective?

        • Braveheart81

          They would need to find cash they don’t have to pay him out. They then would have even less money available to sign someone to replace him.

        • Bakkies

          They should just let him go and request a transfer fee to whoever he signs with.

        • cantab

          They want him to go, but he rejected both offers from Brumbies and Rebels.

        • Bakkies

          I am referring to taking an offer overseas which he should consider. The Reds than pocket money from his transfer and no longer have to pay his wages.

          I have no issue with him sticking with the Reds to screw the RA and the QRU. Move to another state and they will still have to pay some of his wages. The RA through Cheika encouraged him to come back to play for the Wallabies. He barely got selected. Thorn takes over as Reds coach names him in the squad than two days later tells him not to come to training.

          Thorn needs a lesson in the business side of Rugby.

        • disqus_NMXfOrw5ot

          I don’t think QC is trying to screw over anyone. Go through his instagram posts and it’s pretty clear his view is that he wants to play for Qld and Oz, and he is being patient and persistent in waiting for his opportunity to arise again.

        • Bakkies

          Cooper is proud of his identity good on him for that. As for playing for Australia and Qld that’s a delusion. I would stick around too if I was selected in a squad, getting paid 800k than told not to go training. Money for jam playing club Rugby.

        • disqus_NMXfOrw5ot

          Possibly, but truth is stranger than fiction. The fact that he got signed for such a massive amount shows that there are people who do want to see him play again. So I’m happy to wait and see. I’m totally enjoying this saga, truth be known.

        • Bakkies

          These were the same people who wanted to see Leroy Houston play again.

          One million was spent on paying out on contract players that were based abroad last year.

        • Brisneyland Local

          Concur. The funny thing is QC and his manager will school them in the art of contractual law. And the tide is turning!

        • Bakkies

          Khoder Nasser has plenty of experience dealing with dopes.

        • Braveheart81

          I think they are trying to achieve the opposite of getting them to leave without having to pay them out.

    • Happyman

      Congratulations to the QRU after thirty five years of support your actions since 2011 with the coaching roundabout the carpark recruitment and the nepotism and general mismanagement of the game in general you have just about extinguished my support.

      The entire Cooper thing has done ,my head in I was prepared to accept that it was just a business part of sport. This just appears to be personal. I have been to a few games where he has played and on each occasion he has been the perfect professional, signing autographs and talking to fans. His actions are not that of a non team player who has an attitude problem.

      • cantab

        But is it personal? I thought it might have been when it was one guy not picking him, but now we have two NRC teams who don’t want him. So do you think 3 coaches personally hate him? (I legit don’t know the answer is here)

        • Bobas

          That coach has been told not to pick him, as you can clearly see in his article that he says, this year unlike others… he is free to choose who he likes but won’t pick Quade because he’s not in the Red’s (Thorn’s) plan for next year.

        • cantab

          To me that reads he could still pick him if he wanted him.

        • Bobas

          Well why do they say that last year they weren’t choosing their teams, but this year they were?

        • Braveheart81

          You’ve misread it.

          “It’s understood the QRU will not stand in Heenan’s way if he does elect to pick either Hunt or Cooper, as that would go against the policy employed in previous years, where Reds coaches have left NRC bosses to select their teams as they see fit.”

          If Heenan wants to pick Cooper or Hunt the QRU will let him because that maintains the same policy they’ve had previously of letting the NRC coaches select their squads.

        • Bobas

          Yeah I have misread it. The previous years policy part confused me.

          So are QRU the Red’s Coaches?

        • cantab

          “confused me” ha mate, i think it’s fair to say we’re all confused by the whole thing.
          I’ve got no beef with Quade, he has done nothing wrong IMO, has a signed contract and is sticking with it. Not sure if Thorn is or isn’t the bad guy here either. Lots of unknown questions allround.
          Bit of bad luck having 2 of his top players done for cocaine.

          Thorn is clearly playing for long term results, IMO they need to cut Thorn now or back him in for years to see out his grand plan. (haha…or maybe make him the wallabies forwards coach and keep him away from backs and selections decisions)

        • pointman888

          Lets not be naive in thinking there wouldn’t be any pressure coming in from up stairs when there’s a million$$$ reasons to do anything to push Quade away!

    • Gareth

      So picking QC whose career has clearly stalled means that a young and up and coming qld 10 misses out on NRC experience. Seriously the NRC is about development and game experience for future state and national players. Surely this must be considered.

      • 22DropOut

        His career has stalled and in my opinion he needs to accept responsibility for this, but his career is not over. The NRC is a pathway etc. but it is also a representative side for the clubs in the catchment areas. Cooper would deserve a spot on merit and use it as a pathway to get back into Super Rugby.

        • Gareth

          I agree with that idea, but I think he has sent a clear message to selectors and coaches that he is not keen to make an effort to get back to super rugby and therefore selection. So he has a great NRC, holds back a young QLD 10 and then goes back to play for south’s. Many are stating that QRU is not looking out for the future. I dont think you can have it both ways.

        • moaning expat

          I dont get it- I’m a fan and believe he had finally pulled his head in. But he should have played for Brummies or rebels or whomever on a year to year contract (after he was rejected by the reds- that was personal – the kiwis hate him) and tried to get back in. Saying no would just p1ss the powers that be off. Stupid decision and a great waste of talent. I think he’s done for. He’s 30 and not got enoiugh years left. If he had done the ‘right’ thing he might have had a shot at Foleys position or at least an understudy.

      • 22DropOut

        His career has stalled and in my opinion he needs to accept responsibility for this, but his career is not over. The NRC is a pathway etc. but it is also a representative side for the clubs in the catchment areas. Cooper would deserve a spot on merit and use it as a pathway to get back into Super Rugby.

      • Tomthusiasm

        I agree, but also a player with Cooper’s experience could also help out the next crop as well.

      • Happyman

        So your argument is that selection for any rep team is not based on ability. This has just illustrated what is wrong with Aus rugby a player playing at that level should have to earn his spot.

        • Gareth

          Rep Team, i may be the only one but I have never viewed the NRC as a rep team. More a development comp.

      • Who?

        So, let’s look at who Cooper’s keeping out, and who’s around. At 10, the Reds have Cooper (but they don’t want him), Lance (off to Worcester in a couple of weeks before the NRC), Stewart (Toowoomba boy, so Country), Paia’aua (not a first choice 10, and a Rockhampton lad, so Country). So there’s no one in the Reds squad who’s being held out. IN terms of up and coming 10’s, sure, there may be one or two who could use the run, but they should be knocking down the door in club Rugby, and I don’t know that there’s some one who’s earned the right on form and class to be the starting 10 over Cooper.
        Beyond that, who’s around? At 9, Sorovi will likely be the starter (think Tuttle is Country, Lucas, is he going back overseas? Frisby may go overseas). So, you’re talking about a first year Super halfback, and I don’t know who the backup will be. At 12, the options are Paia’aua (Rockhampton, Country), Kerevi (injured!), Hunt (gone)… So again, no experience there. Even at 13, you’re looking at Kerevi (injured), CFS (not sure when he’s back), Perese (except he’s a Country player), Petaia (first year player)? Even at 15 – who’s there?
        If you’ve got a squad who are basically club players or first year Super players, then having some experience (and 180+ Super/Test caps counts as experience!) in the spine of your team is no bad thing. Without it, you’re opening up your team to being directionless.

        • idiot savant

          Nick Jooste? Maybe some of the junior Wallabies? Lawson Creighton is promising at 10, Phoenix Hunt at 9. But youre right they are all very young.

        • Who?

          The big thing is that everyone else in that backline is very young. I’ve got no issue with a young 10, but you want a more experienced 9 or 12 (or both) with the young 10. There has to be the calm head there.

        • GO THE Q REDS

          Yep so imagine the Promising Stewart with at VERY LeAST Quade as a backs mentor….sounds a no brainer

        • Bakkies

          Stewart is a junior Wallaby but he is likely to be with Country.

          Greene and McIntyre are overseas, Lucas is heading back too hopefully via the hairdressers.

        • Who?

          Wasn’t Greene was Qld Country anyway..?

        • GO THE Q REDS

          If Stewart is in any type of Wallaby contention ahead let’s say Maddocks after this years experiences….ill eat my shorts, and yours

        • Bakkies

          Maddocks is another Australian back who can’t tell tackle.

        • GO THE Q REDS

          There you go again Who….wasting your breath for fair weather supporters who obviously have not even the slightest clue on the current player landscape in Qld atm. It’s actually worse now then when this Quade thing first evolved…..it seriously should not have to be explained! Well written as usual tho ✌️

      • disqus_NMXfOrw5ot

        If “the NRC is about development and game experience for future state and national players”, and “a young and up and coming qld 10 misses out” if you pick an experienced player like QC, then surely no current state or national players should be playing in the NRC in any position? Why is it only QC that this rule should be applied to? Don’t even try and tell me that it’s because QC’s “career has clearly stalled” and won’t play state or national level again, no one has that crystal ball.

    • Parker

      The way they’ve black listed him you’d think he’d knelt for the national anthem and all the team owners are Trump lackeys.

  • Nutta

    For something completely different I’ll say something controversial; congratulations to Qld for taking a stand. QC and Hunt have brought negative attention to Qld rugby. Not so much Slipper but certainly Hunt and QC. So take a bloody stand and make it stick. Good on Thorn for doing it. There is much further to go but you have to start somewhere. I temper that a little for Slipper because whilst not knowing all details it is common knowledge he has personal stuff going on. But Hunt and QC certainly have brought little but grief to QR from what I can see which has forced the likes of Thorn to take hard stands instead of more nuanced one. And when a hard stand is taken there are sometimes unfortunate casualties soon after for the first guy to transgress (enter Slipper).

    • Woodsman

      Hunt, sure, but apart from the laptop thing which was 9 years ago, what Grief has Quade given the Reds?

      I’d say slipper’s double fuck up riding hard on the heels of Hunt’s stupidity has cause more issues.

      Quade sure isn’t the architect of QLD rugby’s diabolical state. That falls squarely on the board and their jobs for the boys mentality.

    • Kiwi rugby lover

      Mate, I’m not sure what QC has done to bring grief to QLD. Yeah he was a bit of a cock earlier in his career but I’ve heard nothing but good things about his attitude and fan interaction since he came back. Personally I don’t think he’s that good a player as his defence is still missing and he does some dumb things on the field that gives away penalties and cards so not playing him for those reasons is fair enough.

      I agree 100% with Hunt and even Slipper because they have done things to bring grief.

      • Nutta

        Where I am coming from is more ‘universal justice’ perspective. QC was the recipient of levels of investment (both cash and human) exceeded only by what was tipped into the likes of Brand Beiber and Beale. And it was pissed against the wall both metaphorically and literally. Ok, some of that isn’t just his and perhaps he is wearing the weight of the other two to an extent but it’s not as though he wasn’t involved. Then contracts were bought out and ‘things arranged’ only to see more pissed against a wall. Then lifelines/2nd chances were offered with other franchises. Again pissed against the wall.

        Fine. No worries. That’s his call. But as much as he owns the call, he owns the consequences of the call. Fk him. He’s out. Move on. But also make damn sure we demonstrate to whoever else is watching that Prima Donna BS won’t be accepted.

        Qld Rugby needs good news stories. They need things that make you smile – like the noise around Tupou. No one smiles when QC gets brought up. It’s just arguments and bitterness (yes – I get the contradiction in what I’m doing now). Qld don’t need that where they are now. They beyond even simple win/lose. They need dignity. And giving-in to a player over a coach (because that’s what it will be) particularly to a petulant, indignant ‘I told you so’ player like this will bring no dignity to Qld Rugby. Like Thorn’s rugby or not, the guy sets standards that he holds himself to as much as everybody else. That’s dignity.

        • Richard Patterson

          Very well written.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Can’t argue with that mate and I see your point. I guess it’s all about consequences of actions, even those a long time ago.

        • Parker

          Losing on principle as another commenter described it last week. Sorry I’ve forgotten who, but it was a good description.

        • Gareth

          Spot on Nutta

        • Who?

          Nutta, what you – and many others (largely from south of the border) – don’t see is that the majority of Qld Rugby fans (not Reds fans, necessarily, because the actions of the QRU have burned a goodly number of Rugby fans from being Reds fans over the past half decade) have nothing but respect for Cooper. And Simmons. And a good number of the other players who’ve been through the Reds and been burned over the past few years.
          Cooper’s done nothing of questionable legality in pretty well a decade. He’s had one time where he came out and spoke without prudence since then (2012), and he paid the price for that. His statements at that time, he knew he was going to pay the price for it, and I don’t think anyone genuinely believed that his statements were inaccurate. They were just unusual – you don’t normally see ‘insiders’ come out and criticise the administration. But if anyone thought things were rosy under Robbie Deans, they clearly didn’t understand Rugby.
          Since then, what’s he done? He’s had a few injuries, he’s played wherever he’s been asked to play whenever he’s been fit to play. There’s nothing he’s done that’s brought Rugby into disrepute. He wasn’t one of the Dublin 6 (unlike guys who had many more Test caps). He wasn’t listed as being among those involved in the lewd conduct sms drama (I don’t believe we need to mention the name of the target of that poor behaviour from an “all is forgiven within 2 weeks” current Wallaby). He’s kept his image very clean, he’s said nothing untoward about anyone.
          I genuinely don’t see why anyone can complain about the money spent on someone who’s fulfilled every obligation he has. Someone who has done absolutely nothing negative for the game in the country. Certainly not in comparison to people who might be seen as showing passion but also have more recent histories for berating officials and damaging facilities. Or administrators who seemingly (and therefore allegedly) corruptly ran the game. That doesn’t mean that a person has to like the player, or what the player brings to the game. But he deserves the same kind of respect that people give to Rob Horne and Dean Mumm. The respect that, regardless of whether or not the player was the correct selection, they always gave their best, and did nothing to bring the game into disrepute.

        • Nutta

          Well written. I can’t talk to the spirit of Qlders because I’m not one and I’m not there to observe. And I well take your point on Mumm in that like him or not there is no question he played as best as he could. However QC has had many an opportunity to shine and he hasn’t taken them. The most recent was to go to the Rebs or the Donkeys where a good no10 was both needed and would have shone. With some good footy he would have likely been resurrected. Yet another shot was given to him. But he chose not to. That’s ok, that’s his choice. But then so is the stink that goes with that choice.

        • Who?

          Has QC had ‘many an opportunity to shine’..? The 2017 Reds pack were absolute rubbish, he played injured, and he played appropriately behind that rubbish pack. For which he was described as ‘not enjoying his Rugby’ by Cheika (the oddest excuse for not selecting a player ever given – he should’ve just manned up and said, “I don’t see a place for Quade in my team.” It would’ve been honest, and it’s unusual for Cheika to lack courage as he did in not being honest), and then panned by Thorn as not managing the game well (because Thorn knows how to run a backline, and I’m sure he loved being asked to run backwards to clean up yet another non-dominant, non-gainline carry when he was tired).
          Before that, in 2016, he was our best Wallaby 10, but Foley was selected alongside him at 12 (despite being horribly out of form) and then selected over him. 2015, he was recovering from a few injuries, and had Richard Graham coaching the Reds.
          Also, you’re talking about a player who’s played more Bledisloe games in New Zealand than Australia in the last half decade. That’s not exactly an ‘opportunity to shine’.
          That said, he’s played more good games at 10 for the Wallabies than Foley has.
          I just don’t see that he’s not taken the opportunities that have been in front of him, when he’s had an ordinary run with injury and has had coaches who either aren’t up to it (Graham, Stiles) or don’t understand him (Cheika – who thinks he’s like Beale, but they’re rather different players. Neither is a great tackler, but Beale’s a pacy ball runner and Quade’s a distributor – very different players). But I don’t see that it’s relevant, either, because he’s done what he’s been asked. He’s met his contractual obligations by giving his best whenever he’s been fit enough to do it. And there’s no one that’s pushed him out of his state seat (i.e. no one would seriously say that Lance or Stewart are playing 10 for the Reds over him on form), and even the national jersey, that’s timing and coaching style (not lack of effort – coaching style also dudded Fardy, and has done for plenty of other players over the years under many coaches).
          In terms of moving, he’s clearly shown that he’s a one team player, he’s on contract, he’s not breaking his contract, and the QRU have said they’re happy to release him but (according to others on here) they’re not happy to let him play for another club if they have to contribute financially. And if you’re talking about someone with a contract, why should they have to bear the cost of moving and accommodation..?
          And the stink that goes with his choice? I don’t think Quade’s copping any stink. He’s meeting his obligations. He’s not being selected for the Wallabies, fair enough. I’m quite confident he could be the form 10 in Super Rugby playing at the Rebels and still not get picked. The only people with ‘stink’ around it all are those inside the QRU… Who have way over $1.5M in players sitting at home, not even at the ground on game day.

    • Red Block

      So what is Quade guilty of?
      Sure, there was the laptop thing when he was 18 but since then he has been humble, a total professional and a proven winner.
      His club form with Souths has been outstanding where his passing game is still sublime.
      HIs lack of inclusion in the Reds and the NRC is a blight of our game and smacks of petty jealousies and personal grudges.
      It is not as if there is an abundance of quality #10s roaming the country.
      The only person smiling through this is Bernard Foley.

      • Missing Link

        roughing up Sir Ruchie 7 years ago :)

      • Bobas

        Must’ve been Thorn’s laptop too.

        • Nutta

          Ask yourself ‘Gee I wonder what was on that laptop?’

        • Bobas

          Well if he bashed the door in and took it then I suppose it had something about him on it, but the students supposedly had no idea he was a sportsman so I have no idea. Care to speculate or otherwise for me?

        • Nutta

          I’ve heard pretty sordid stories but that’s all they are – stories. So to air it would be arguably libelous.

      • Bakkies

        I say the issue is that Quade is willing to go outside the game plan (Carter has said that he often does that himself) or have a big say in how the team should play which may go against what the coach wants to do. Cheika is very much his way or the highway.

        • Who?

          Very true. And Thorn seems to be the same.
          Further, neither seem to have great vision about how the game can be played. Larkham has a broader view, but is in a minor role and is still developing as a coach. But Larkham was also the same as DC and Cooper – he was the guy on the field, with great vision, and he was allowed to bend the game plan, because he was entrusted with an understanding of the goals of the game plan (maybe not as much under Eddie, but certainly under MacQueen, and he helped get rid of Nucifora – poorer behaviour than anything that Quade’s ever been involved).

        • Bakkies

          Larkham was Brumbies head coach after Jake left so he had control over the game plan.

          As a player he made decisions on the run. Nick Evans said Gregan and Larkham were the first to do it.

          I recommend listening to Jeremy Paul’s podcast he is the first player to speak about it openly.

        • Who?

          I know Bernie had the Brumbies role, but I also think he was far too green for it, and is still finding his feet. I think being under Cheika’s actually forcing him to fight to explain his positions, and is probably doing him more good than I previously might’ve imagined. I’m actually happy with the way our attack is developing (though I still think there’s better solutions available if Larkham weren’t hampered by Cheika’s selection strategies – and I say Cheika’s, because he didn’t know Hunt was playing 12 until after the team was announced last June).
          And Larkham’s time as head coach of the Brumbies doesn’t actually have much relevance to debating Cooper, given they weren’t working together there. hAng on – maybe Quade’s win over Bernie’s Brumbies last July was the REAL reason why he was dumped! nOw iT aLl mAkes sEnse! :-P

    • disqus_NMXfOrw5ot

      There’s a strong argument that anyone and everyone who abuses drugs/alcohol has some personal stuff going on. Are you sure you’re not giving Slipper that bit of tempering because you see him as a nice clean cut guy, whereas you don’t think too much of Hunt? And you’re definitely giving QC the rough end of the pineapple!

      • Nutta

        Nope. I’m no fan of Slipper. If you are in-need of coma-inducing material, flick back through my posts and you will find that consistently. He is a good toiler but I think his ability is grossly over inflated and he has been the recipient of over-investment in his continued selection. ‘Can’t make a silk purse from a pigs ear’ comes to mind. Hunt is a bloody beautiful footballer in my opinion and that may well be why I’m harder / more-bitter on him for squandering true talent.

        • Bakkies

          I don’t think Slipper has been the same player since the change in the scrum laws.

        • Nutta

          I don’t think Slipper has been the same man since Australian Rugby Union took a reasonably well developing young footballer and fed him to Martin Castrogiovanni in the kids first test.

        • Who?

          Stupid Robbie Deans…

        • disqus_NMXfOrw5ot

          I’m not talking about Slipper or Hunt’s abilities as players, I’m talking about their personalities. There is a common theme on this forum that Slipper should be given a bit of slack, but Hunt should piss off. I’m saying that this is based on subjective views of their personalities, not on any logic about the same drugs they have both been caught taking.

        • Nutta

          Ahhh, I see your point.

          In that respect I am harder on Slipper. He had all the ingredients, structure, media like-ability, background story etc for stellar career and as much as I hate saying that, part of that is because he is clean-cut and even a whitey (media loves it). That’s been wasted.

          QC is an outspoken, disobedient, self-interested knob-jockey in my opinion. But that has nothing to do with my assessment of him as a footballer. As a footballer he is inconsistent, prone to low-percentage plays, is a defensive liability and frequently seems to play outside instructions. The fact he is a Kiwi was not ever really an issue for me.

          Hunt is a proven professional footballer. I expected professionals like him to be a professional and not such a dumbarse. The fact he is indigenous meant I hoped for more from him as a dead-set proper role-model for so many others who could use it.

        • Habitual Offender

          Outspoken, disobedient, self-interested, All rather emotive terms.

          Sounds like most 10s I know, Id even go as far as to say a prerequisite.

        • Who?

          Which may be further proof why Hodge and Foley aren’t true 10’s..? :-P
          Outspoken, disobedient, self-interested and low percentage plays are all descriptions of a bloke from over half a decade ago. Some players improve over time, some don’t. Quade matured sooner than both Beale and O’Connor (Beale faster than O’Connor), yet because he’s not Cheika’s best buddy he doesn’t get the same respect that Beale (rightly) does.

        • Habitual Offender

          Could be a long typing session, which im far too lazy for.
          Certain characteristics make for certain positions, #10’s are usually arrogant (onfield at least), goes with the job.
          Add that to different coaching styles (Google “3 coaching styles” if you dont get my drift) and it may show how issues may arise between arrogant and autocratic.
          Guess which is the issue

        • Who?

          I was being a little facetious, but I genuinely don’t consider Hodge or Foley to be 10’s. They’re self-interested in that they like to run the ball. A real 10 wants to be (considering yesterday was the 100th anniversary of Le Hamel) Monash. They want to tell the backline where to go, what to do, they want complete control, but they don’t want to get hit. So they tend to look unselfish, because they’re not likely to run the ball. Ella’s technique was to pass the first 35 minutes, then think about having a run. One of Quade’s best highlights is his try at 44 minutes against Ireland on the 2013 EOYT, where he ghosted (like Larkham) through the line. Why? Because Quade and Bernie – like Ella – wanted to run everyone else, but didn’t want the hit, and didn’t run the ball too often. Which is Foley and Hodge’s strength – ball carrying.
          Completely understand your post, no real arguments with it, was really replying to Nutta’s comments about Quade above. But Nutta is the king of the tight five – I don’t know that he truly respects any ‘princess’ or ‘fairy’. :-P

        • Habitual Offender

          All good points, inc the tight 5’s outlook on ballet and those predisposed to such silly activities.

          re: Hodge and Foley, I still like Foley, though he has his weakness’s like everyone else.
          QC and he both have useable talents dependant on game style/plan.
          For anyone to say either is crap, I reckon is a bit one-eyed and unfair.

          All media hype and BS re QC.
          2012-
          “Cooper was quoted as saying the Wallabies will lose fans and Bledisloe
          Cup Tests if they continued to play “a boring, conservative style”
          Toxic?
          Accurate too.

        • Who?

          On Foley, I just don’t see ball runners as 10’s. I think he’s a really good Rugby player, just not a natural 10. His natural instinct is to run the ball, not to pass, and I’d rather see a decision matrix of pass/run/kick rather than run/pass/kick. In fact, the traditional position might be kick/pass/run (NH 10’s), and I’d probably rather run/pass/kick over that. But my belief is it should be pass/run/kick at 10.
          As you say, though, that’s all about personal style and game plan, and clearly Cheika’s game plan is quite different to mine!

        • Habitual Offender

          Total agreement p/r/k.
          Stand and deliver, opportunity will come.

          Just Cheika? I thinks its been Australian rugby’s plan for far too long.
          Foley does suit that style. All crash or kick, no style
          Maybe Im just pissed that I dont play anymore…

        • disqus_NMXfOrw5ot

          I rest my case.

        • Brisneyland Local

          Me too re Hunt. Watching him train, and play in teh NRC and some of the Reds games. That guy had talent, and he has just thrown it all away. SO dissapointing. I would have given my left nut to be half as talented on the rugby field as he was!

    • 22DropOut

      I am quite critical of QC and frustrated by him, but what negative attention has be brought to QLD since re-signing? Certainly nothing in the public domain and unlike his previous stint there are no flirtations with boxing etc.

      This seems borderline constructive dismissal stuff.

      • Brisneyland Local

        Minus the actual dissmissal. That is definitely the way the scenario shapes. I am pretty sure QRU would have recieved detailed counsel.So they are just icing him out. If they had have severed his contract, the QRU would have been paying out in full.

        • 22DropOut

          As I said before I have been a critic of QC (and I do see merit in omitting him from the Reds) but this is not how you treat human beings. Also, this goes against the spirit of the game that the QRU exists to serve in their state.

        • Brisneyland Local

          Correct.
          To behonest, why would you want to be part of an organisation whose leadership is so bereft.
          Other than to rub their faces in it!
          Revenge is a dish served cold! And trickling across the floor!

  • idiot savant

    Hardwick for Tmani. Speed over power. And speed is what kills this big slow Reds side. Wessells looks like he is showing his hand. I expect the Rebels to go wide fast at every opportunity.

    Surely this will be home farewell games for Smith and Douglas. There is no value to the Reds in them playing next week (or after half time this week). They probably need one of Lance and Toua due to lack of depth at 15. Strange not to see Liam Wright in the side. Perhaps Scott Young will go to 7?

    • Keith Butler

      Could be a game decided by the Reds pack and the Rebs backs. The real issue for me is the Rebs front 5. I reckon we’ll struggle at the set piece, particularly scrum time. Would not be good for a game so important to be resolved on scrum penalties and possibly yellow cards.

      • idiot savant

        After last week when the Reds won 8 scrum penalties and got thrashed I don’t think you have anything to worry about. The scrum is the least important facet of super rugby (The Reds have the best scrum and are struggling to avoid the wooden spoon). The breakdown is way more important and I haven’t seen a positive improvement in breakdown play under Thorns coaching this year. I think the Rebels loose forwards are quicker and better skilled at the breakdown. Besides, the big slow Reds pack will be late to rucks and tire. The forward contest will likely be even. The Rebels backs will win this. More experience and greater composure and the Reds wingers are poor defenders. Rebels by 20.

        • Keith Butler

          Depends on who the ref is. Could take a dislike to the Rebs scrum and reach for the pocket. Hope you’re right but I reckon it will be a lot closer than 20.

        • idiot savant

          Your dreams will come true. Paul Williams is the referee. He absolutely caned the Reds last year at Suncorp against the Tahs. The Reds scrum shunted the Tahs pack all night and the only players to get yellow cards were Reds!

  • Brisneyland Local

    Well good morning GAGR’s! Wel I am going to take a slightly different stance to Nutta. I agree that Slipper and Hunt have caused them (QRU) all kinds of grief. But not QC. This is very much now looking like a grudge against QC. He would clearly be in the top 3 players in the NRC. And if it is a development pathway as they so becry, then why would you not have a player of his experience to mentor the up and coming juniors. This just reeks of antipathy! Just when you think QRU have hit rock bottom, they go hire an excavator and keep on digging!
    QRU you are officially the shittest and most pathetic thing in Australian rugby!

    • Bakkies

      They can’t be worse than the de Clyne led the RA.

      • Brisneyland Local

        Mate I would say on par. But de Clyne got to fuck the country, at least QRU can only fuck Qld!

        • Human

          I am not sure about that. If MC is not going to pick anyone who is not playing Super Rugby, then the decisions of the QRU and their coach could well screw the country as well.

        • Brisneyland Local

          I kind of agree. But we are taking some of the onus away from Cheika there. He has picked from outside Super Rugby before. He just wont do that with Cooper!

        • Nutta

          Chek won’t pick someone not playing top-tier rugby. My understanding is that QC was given lifelines to both the Donkey’s and the Alliance which were turned down. So QC opted to not play top-tier rugby. So he is not up for selection. The days of picking Nick Farr-Jones and Phill Kearns from club rugby or Steve Merrick and Bob Egerton from bush-footy are gone.

          I believe he was also sounded out for WA. But again, not top-tier rugby.

          Right or wrong he opted to stay in Qld. Thus he opted out of top-tier rugby. Thus he won’t get selected by his own choice.

        • Brisneyland Local

          He didnt take the POny or Rebs deal because QRU stated that if he went across to either of those teams it was a total transfer (i.e. the other club had to pick up the whole bill). They were prepared to Kick $400k I believe the pionies offered, but with QRU not stumping up there half, he would have lost over 50% of his contract price. He did the right thing staying where he was. He didnt turn down the offers, becaus the offers were never really on the table he moment QRU said it was an all or nothing deal.
          Personally I support anyone sticking it to the QRU at the moment. The are total douche bags!

          I reference to picking outside of super, Giteau was picked outside. QC meets the gitau rule requirement. Na d to be honest, we all wouldnt still be having this conversation if we had a good ten. But our ten is shite. And all of the weaknesses that QC was chided for, are now clearly evident in Foley’s game. Infact Foely really hasnt returned to his form of 2015 WC. But there is no competition, and particularly with them not even allowing QC into the mix.
          A lazy pineaple says that if BF had done an ACL, QC would be bought back in. (Note: if he is fit.)

        • Who?

          Giteau was picked from outside Super Rugby twice – the Giteau law, but also his Test debut was before he played Super Rugby. And Slipper had 100 minutes (total) of Super Rugby before being, as Nutta accurately says, ‘fed to Martin Castrogiovanni’.

        • Brisneyland Local

          Very true. So the precedence is there, they just wont apply it to him!

        • pointman888

          And who cares about precedence anyway? If it fits DO IT!

        • Bakkies

          TPN got capped on the same tour without Super Rugby experience. He was in the Brumbies HPU as a loosehead he should have stayed in that position. We needed a loosehead and hooker had more depth. He has only learned how how to throw now.

        • moaning expat

          Crazy- SO QRU has basically thrown away 800K instead of 400K effectively… That’s personal and I dont know why. (Apart from Thorne)
          I’d love to hear QC’s one to one story over a beer one day.

          (As for KH- I always though that was a waste of money in the first place. A league refugee that didnt play that great (in my humble opinion) paid a fortune. Money should have gone to up and comers rather than a player that had only a couple of years left in him at best. )

        • pointman888

          Your doing what so many people do…forgetting you don’t get paid according to just your talent……if your a draw card you’ll earn more. 100% fair and worth the money imho.

        • Bakkies

          So much so that Cheika has no replacement flyhalf on the bench. Hodge is too stiff and Robocop like. Reminds me of Braam van Straaten big boot but can’t run an attacking backline.

          Beale wasted his prime by being a boofhead and out of shape. He should have been playing flyhalf full time by the age of 24.

          Giteau had poor scrumhalfs as a ten by the time Genia got the start it was too late and a one man backrow didn’t help either. Deans wrote him off.

        • Brisneyland Local

          Yep there is a litany of poor recruiting in amongst all of that!

        • pointman888

          And he should pick him. He’s been in stunning form…..the last time Quade was in the Wallaby squad he had earned that spot from great end of season from, yet Cheika ignored him for the stale Foley.

        • Brisneyland Local

          yep

        • pointman888

          Yep….by sticking with the defensively flawed and tactical inept Foley, there have been more then a few games you could almost solely attribute the loss to Foley. He has to be the luckiest and most protected “playmaker” in world rugby. The Quade/Thorn/Cheika issues of the last season have been an embaresment to Aus rugby and perfect example of what u mention above

    • Kiwi rugby lover
      • Brisneyland Local

        I have now. That does not paint BT in a good light. It really now highlights his coaching immaturity. If he doesnt like you he cant work with you. Gee I wish I had have had permission to get rid of all the people i didnt like in the team I commanded over the years! But you I both couldnt, and we learned to lead them.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Absolutely. I think in a lot of ways this just highlights his inexperience at this level. Maybe if he had someone other than McGahan assisting him he’d be able to grow more

        • Brisneyland Local

          Yeah you are right. McGahan is a concern. It is also noted that McGahan and QC, dont have a good relationship. When QC made his comment about the Wallabies culture being toxic, apparently a chunk of that was aimed at McGahan.

        • Who?

          That being the case, it makes me wonder who at the QRU hated QC enough that they’d deliberately go and hire people who had toxic histories with such a key (both in experience but also contract value) player? Especially given McGahan’s coaching record isn’t one of high achievement.

  • IIPA

    Reckon the Rebs have missed a trick letting Hutch go ( and not giving him any game time). Obviously Maddocks form has been very good but Naivalu’s hasn’t. Hutch gives a different look, a real Shane Williams type player and a crowd pleaser.

    He’ll be a good acquisition for the 7s campaign in San Fran and Tahs could do worse than sign him for next year.

    • Missing Link

      I think Hutchinson lined up on the wing against the Force. He was impressive

      • IIPA

        Yes he did and yes he was. But not a sniff of Super Rugby

  • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

    Apparently QRU are looking to lock Thorn into a ten year contract.

    After his results this season arguably being worse than Stiles.

    At times like this I wonder what is going on in the QRU boardroom.

    • Brisneyland Local

      I think that they must have been into Karmichael and Slippers special stash!
      Fucking Crazy decisions!

    • Brisneyland Local

      Have read the article now. I dont think any coach should be there for 10 years. that is just dreaming for better things and hoping they will happen. You dont see one coach at the AB’s locked in for ten years. Or an elite rugby league, soccer (football for the northern hemispheres), or basketball coach remain in a position that long. This is just plain stupid!

      • Human

        Where is that article BL?

      • Happyman

        Agreed only the truly great coaches are in a position for more than ten years. Bennet, Bellamy, Belacheck. Fun Fact If you want to look at a stable team the Pittsburg Steelers are the benchmark, they have had less coaches than there have been popes since about 1960.
        At the end of the day you want BT to be the super coach but the reality is he probably is not.

        • Brisneyland Local

          Yep I agree. There is the exception to the rule, and they are usually dynasties! Mind you some up here are starting to say that Wayne Bennett has gone a little bit past his used by date. But as I know next to nothing about league, I wont comment on it. But that is what my league supporting colleagues say.
          I want BT to succeed! But he is looking very much, my way or the highway type.Normally I would say at this point surely (dont call me SHirley) would step in and unfuck this Cooper issue. But RA couldnt organise a piss up in a brewery. So we know this will just keep dragging on!

      • Nutta

        What about Bennett? I know he has had stints elsewhere but pretty much Wayne Bennett has been the Bonco’s coach since the 1st coming of Christ…

        • Brisneyland Local

          Yeah I mention him later on. But (not that I am into league) but the leaguey guys up here are all say he is past his used by date. Hence why they were looking at Bellamy

    • Tah Tragic

      Reading the article I don’t think they are looking at signing him on a 10 year contract. They are trying to provide the environment/support for him to continue for 10 years. The pressure might be off BT this year but he will need to have a much better 2019.

      • Bakkies

        Reds barely have an evironment to keep a coach beyond one year.

    • idiot savant

      He should be ready to coach by then.

    • 22DropOut

      I wouldn’t judge him by results this season when his task seems to be changing the culture of the club. If it doesn’t pay off in the next 2 years though you certainly don’t want to be lumped with him for another 8.

      • pointman888

        Screw that….he’s been judged a failure the second he started handling Invaluable Reds like trash……THEN you can add on his stats are about to be worse then last years…..a year HE stated the Reds should be ashamed of(not forgetting he was still coaching there’s well at the time). So without even scratching the surface……its just a big embarrassing and disgusting joke in QLD rugby history. Thanks Thorn

  • nmpcart

    I would hope that Mick Heenan as a coach would be able to pick his own players and not be dictated as to who he can choose – as long as they are registered with RA then they should be eligible for the NRC unless there is some disciplinary cloud (Hunt perhaps due to the police action), so Quade, Frisby and Slipper should be available. The experience that these players can offer to the younger players is invaluable.

    I have met both Quade and Slipper with my kids outside of official fan events and both have been really good in engaging with the kids, not just doing what they had to but really talking to the kids.

  • Brumby Runner

    Congratulations Colby. Give it your all, as always, and have a great game.

  • Mart

    Surely time to run Maddocks at 10?

    • Missing Link

      I guess the Rebels season is on the line and Wessels can’t afford to experiment with Maddocks so he’ll stick with the devil he knows in Hodge.

      • Kiwi rugby lover

        I understand the reasoning I think but Hodge is not a 10

        • Missing Link

          I think everyone except Dave Wessels agrees with you :)

      • Keith Butler

        Mad docks at 10 for the Rising in the NRC and see how he goes.

    • Tah Tragic

      On the Fox podcast they where talking about Matt Toomua coming back to SR next year in time for the RWC. Potentially going to the Rebels.

      • Mart

        Yeah I heard that.

        We need him desperately.

        Hope he hasn’t copped any head knocks while OS

      • Bakkies

        Break another contract? Toomua just signed a two season extension to his existing Leicester contract.

  • Tomthusiasm

    While it sucks that some Sydney teams were culled, it’s good to have games at Leichhardt Oval and Concord Oval again.

    • Pedro

      It’s not like they had to cull teams to do it though.

      • Tomthusiasm

        It’s the reverse of Oprah “YOU DON’T GET A TEAM, AND YOU DON’T GET A TEAM!!”

        • Brisneyland Local

          Pure Gold!

  • Braveheart81

    It seems pretty clear that the QRU are trying to frustrate their exiled players into leaving so they can get them off the payroll. Not giving Cooper a chance in the NRC in particular is ridiculous and in many ways it wedges him. He has the option (and right) to play another year of Brisbane club rugby but he’s also cutting off his nose to spite his face in terms of his future professional rugby career. If he plans for it to continue post 2019 he’s not going to make it any easier for himself if all he has played is club rugby for two seasons.

    • Bobas

      Hard for them to get better contract offers if they’re not allowed to showcase their abilities. How are other teams going to put up a competitive offer with no recent form to go off?
      Seems like QLD are idiots to me.

      • Braveheart81

        They’re not exactly unknown players. I agree that QRU are idiots but they’re trying to get rid of these players without paying them out and they think this is the best way to achieve it. I’m not sure that letting them play NRC would increase the offers made to those players.

        • Bobas

          A few recent highlights go a long way. The Reds should know that, they signed Taniela Toupo.
          If the Brumbies offered to pay 50% of his salary they should have jumped at it at least at the end of this year it would have proven the right decision.

        • Brisneyland Local

          Yeah Bobas, I agree. But QRU in dealing with QC’s manager said what ever deal QC took, QRU wouldnt contribute, it would be an all or nothing deal. so rightly he stayed where he was. If I were in his shoes I would do the same thing too.

        • Hoss

          Christ that’s dumb mate. If you had a $800k liability on the balance sheet and someone offered you $400k to take it off your hands you would snap there arm off agreeing to it. Forget personality, reasons, coaches etc – its a $400k win.

        • Brisneyland Local

          Your and my commercial logic are the same. But that is exactly what QRU have done. You see it isnt about the dollars, and is about punishing QC. Either way it is total mismanagement. Theoretically Slipper could do the same thing. As his contract was only just resigned both with QRU and RA. SO he could go off and play club rugby on the same dollars too! Hunt, is a different story, but they will just run his contract down. No one really knows what has happened to Special K. He has slipped off the radar!

        • Hoss

          Mate i was always taught your ‘first loss is your best loss’ – get it gone.

        • Brisneyland Local

          YEp. The other one I was always told was:
          “stem the flow”

        • Greg

          @Hoss it’s even more because you can then spend the 400k on someone that you will actually play!!

          It’s either dumb or vindictive.

        • pointman888

          Well in that case they better ban/block Quade from premiership rugby aswell, too many Motm and ripper games in the one season…..

    • Brendan Hume

      He’s 30 years old… this seems like a pretty good sabbatical option before picking up a contract in Japan or Europe if no other avenue opens in Australia. I wouldn’t have thought he was hijacking his options any more than David Pocock or any of the NZ players have done through their sabbaticals

      • Braveheart81

        Pocock and the NZers took sabbaticals within or ahead of a big contract they had already signed. I just think that as a 31 year old heading into the 2019/20 European season after two years in club rugby his chances of someone throwing a big contract at him decrease substantially.

        • Brisneyland Local

          Yeah but when you are on $850k here in Aus, for another year. Then take $450k in Japan, when that runs out. You are home and hosed.
          And in the meantime, our 10 is still shite and the cupboard is bare!

        • Braveheart81

          There’s no 2019/20 Japanese season. If that’s what he wants to do, good luck to him but it would be a shame if he has given up on playing high level rugby again. That path has been closed to him in Queensland and clearly he needs to go elsewhere if he wants to have another crack.

        • Brisneyland Local

          True forgot that about the Japanese season. I reckon England would be the go!
          well it looks like QRU and Cheikmeister have adopted the ABC principal. Anyone But Cooper!

        • pointman888

          Meanwhile Foley has been “bringing the house down” with emphatic attacking master classes for the wallabies. When my forum ban runs out I’ll post all the June series unbiased reviews of his game impacts. Newsflash it’s pretty poor and if you take the blindingly generous plaudits dribbled Foleys way by the media out of the equation….the facts are inexcusable considering the depth we have.

        • Brisneyland Local

          Agree.
          Why did you get a forum ban?

        • Bakkies

          There were suggestions that he would go to Ulster however he got injured than the IRFU blocked Jantjies as they wanted them to play an Irish qualified 10.

        • Brisneyland Local

          Yep I think the IRFU are doing everything to ensure their cupboards arent bare like ours!

        • pointman888

          And that’s why whoever backed Thorns descission to not even tap into Quades experience for the young STRUGGLInG backs…are to blame.

        • Brisneyland Local

          Agree. I think it is thorns choice and the QRU backed him.

      • pointman888

        Exactly what I keep saying to my friends…..highly paid sabbatical for one of our best rugby entertainers EVER! Thanks for that Thorn u childish muppet.

    • Gallagher

      What a joke, QC absolutely trounced it on the weekend, the game highlights just had him either scoring the tries or setting them up brilliantly, hes without a doubt still world class. An NRC coach that says they wont use him because NRC is only for developing Reds is 100% dillussional, WHAT THE HELL IS HE BEING ALLOWED TO PLAY CLUB RUGBY FOR THEN! if all he is doing is being seen as taking an opportunity off someone else coming through? Take some advice Mick Heenan, for your careers sake, use your best players such as Quade while you have them (if nothing more than to provide maturity in the team environment of not on the park as a run on player!), don’t be a Thorn lacky as he wont be around forever at the rate he is performing, make your own decisions based on how you need to get Brisbane City to WIN!

      • pointman888

        100%agree…..and he’s played exceptional all year for Souths. Havnt missed a game. They went from wooden spooners to top of the ladder contenders simply with Quades experience and class in the squad. And just because it’s ‘only club’ rugby, doesn’t mean you can gauge a players current value to a squad. He’s a champion……and I’m not talking about Thorn….

  • OnTheBurst

    It would be nice if there was a definitive statement from RA or QRU about Hunt.

    I get he is on the outer but it doesn’t feel like there’s any clarity for fans

    • Brisneyland Local

      OTB.QRU is devoid of any ability to communicate with its fans. I have been a Platinum Family member for 15 years (am no longer), and one of my companies was a lower grade corporate sponsor of the Reds. when I asked questions (in my capacity as a sponsor) I was provided total silence. No one would even return my calls. So I withdrew my sponsorship!
      They blow dog!

      • John R

        My brother and I were having a good old fashioned moan the other day about the information vacuum around all of rugby.

        Like these random citations and non-citations. Surely SANZAAR can see that their fans are confused and annoyed, just fucking release a statement and clarify your position, and don’t fill it with all the pseudo legalese crap. Just word it plainly and get everyone on the same page.

        Ignorning a question from a sponsor takes it to another level of contempt though!

        On a similar-ish note, I sent an email to SANZAAR asking why there are 3 rounds of Super Rugby where there is more than 1 BYE in the Aussie conference (only 2 where rounds it’s strictly Aussie teams), where the SAFA’s only have 1 double up and the Kiwi’s have none.

        I am not arrogant enough to assume I know all the logistical complications of hosting a tournament like this, so I was hoping they’d be able to explain it to me, and get me around it. But of course, there was only silence.

        • Brisneyland Local

          SANZAAR dont care about fans. That is for the tv network that buys the broadcasting rights deal, to worry about!

        • John R

          Didn’t Foxtel get upset when the strategic review showed they should be doing more to help grow the game. lol.

        • pointman888

          Wow not surprised…..got any more info on that bud?

        • Bobas

          from memory they just say that they show the games and promote the content, but they shouldn’t be involved in matters outside of that, like growing rugby playing numbers

        • John R
    • Nutta

      Nah. They will give him nothing. They gave much and had it tossed back in their faces. By giving the fans clarity they also give Hunt clarity and QR will give Hunt nothing now. Not now and not ever again I reckon. Bloody shame to lose such a talented footballer.

    • pointman888

      It’d be nice to get ANY clear clarification on Quade or Hunt, or perhaps many topics in recent times…..

  • GO THE Q REDS

    On Quades form…..if anyone doubts Coopers current form simply utube his latest Souths v Wests game highlights. More highlights and Razzlemadazzle try assists, stunning TRIES, big tackles and more importantly dominant game management then any super 10 all year! It’s disgusting a player of Quades quality, experience and skill has been treated so poorly…..and too even suggest a NRC snubb makes me sick. Any NRC team should be begging For such a high quality Mentor…..funnily enough the very thing the REDS young backs have CLEALY needed so badly in 2018. Sad face.

    • GO THE Q REDS

      And may I add my “mention” of Mentor was an at very least kinda comment…..

    • pointman888

      Now THAT is some ball play right there! If that was an 18 year old doing that he’d be the hottest property in Aus rugby!

  • Gipetto

    Stewart 10, Nabuli 11, and Petaia 13… Coach Goon needs an urgent ACAT assessment. I will be at the game watching the disaster unfold

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