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Thursdays Rugby News sees the All Blacks squad named, Hunt’s road of redemption, Injury woes for the Women’s and Folau staying at full back.


 

ALL BLACKS SQUAD NAMED

All Blacks haka

Steve Hansen has named his match day 23 for the opening Bledisloe cup on Saturday night with no real surprises but some big names return to the national squad.

Brodie Retallick and Kieran Read both return from long injury runs that saw them miss the June series.

Sam Whitelock is set to reach the 100 test milestone. Speaking on Whitelock, Hansen said “On behalf of the team, we want to congratulate Sammy on what will be a very special night for him and his family. We’re all very proud of him. He’s been an outstanding contributor to this team for a long time, both on and off the field. To play one Test for the All Blacks is an achievement in itself but to be good enough to be selected and play 100 Tests is a remarkable feat. In doing so, he will join what is a small group of very special All Blacks.”

In no real shock to anyone other than Crusaders fans, World Rugby Player of the Year Beauden Barrett has been selected to start as fly half. Side note; how good would it be if Australia had this selection headache for the No. 10 jersey.

Perhaps one of the bigger surprises was Hansen opting for the young Crusader Jack Goodhuein the centres, ahead of the more experienced Anton Lienert-Brown. Goodhue debuted for New Zealand in the third test against France, with the 23 year olds career taking off in the past 12 months.

15: Ben Smith14: Waisake Naholo 13: Jack Goodhue12: Ryan Crotty11: Rieko Ioane10: Beauden Barrett9: Aaron Smith8: Kieran Read (c)7: Sam Cane6: Liam Squire5: Sam Whitelock4: Brodie Retallick3: Owen Franks2: Codie Taylor 1: Joe Moody

16. Nathan Harris 17. Karl Tu’inukuafe 18. Ofa Tuungafasi 19. Scott Barrett 20. Ardie Savea21. TJ Perenara 22. Damian McKenzie 23. Anton Lienert-Brown

 

HUNT’S ROAD TO SUPER RETURN

2017-Reds-v-Waratahs-17

Banished Red Karmichael Hunt is looking for anyway to get back into the Super fold, with the 31 year old clearly focused on using the NRC to do it.

Hunt is showing positive signs, having been part of the last four games of the regular season for South’s but he has a long way to go if he wants back in to a Super Rugby team.

Rugby.com.au are claiming that the Melbourne Rebels and Waratahs have both passed on Hunt, and Brad Thorns uncompromising belief regarding drugs still strong; it would leave the Brumbies as a possible home.

Hunt is adamant that his home is in Red.

“There have been conversations and those are panning out with my manager,” Hunt said.

“But for me this is home and I probably sound like a broken record but I’m just focusing on playing footy and what’s in front of me and that’s the NRC.”

Hunt has been named as part of the Brisbane City squad, but initially coach Mick Heenan doubted whether he would pick Hunt or fellow exile Quade Cooper. After a few conversations between players and coach, Hunt is eager to see City improve from their sixth place finish.

“I played for him (Heenan) last year and really enjoyed it and he expressed the same sentiment once he got the okay from the QRU and the Reds to pick myself and obviously Quade as well.

“We’re all very excited and we’re looking forward to going one better than what we did last year.

“This year we can hopefully make a good run of it and get back to winning like we did in the first couple of years.”

Despite being 31, Hunt still holds hope that he can get back into the Wallabies fold. When asked if he has made any contact with Michael Cheika regarding his return, Hunt said this:

“He knows I’m here and he knows what my intent is and that’s to get back and play top flight footy.”

FULLBACK FOLAU

Wallabies v Italy, Suncorp Stadium, 24th June 2017

Israel Folau has all but confirmed he will play fullback for the Wallabies in the first Bledisloe match, with the 29 year old Waratah explaining that 15 is where he has been training.

“I’ve been training at fullback, I haven’t been training anywhere else,” he said.

“Obviously whatever decisions Cheik makes in the team, it’s what’s best for the team but I probably don’t see myself playing any other position other than 15.”

Folau has only played fullback for the Wallabies since Michael Cheika took over as head coach in 2014, and it appears that nothing will change.

This paves the way for Rebels utility back aka Mr Fixit Reece Hodge to finally take the 13 jersey, since Curtis Rona was dropped from the training squad. Hodge’s coach Dave Wessels believes that Hodge is a ‘natural centre’.

If Cheika did decide to do a 180 though, it would open doors for young outside backs, Jack Maddocks and Tom Banks to potentially break into the Wallabies squad.

WOMENS INJURY WOES

wallaroos

A freak accident at training resulting in an ankle injury has put Wallaroo’s vice-captain Sarah Riordan in doubt to play in the opener to Bledisloe 1 this weekend.

The centre was attempting a cross-bar kicking challenge with a group of players after training, when her team mate Georgia Cormick successfully hit the cross-bar and the group rushed her.

In the celebration, the team began jumping around Cormick, in which Riordan in her jubilant effort has landed awkwardly on her ankle.

Rugby photographer Stuart Walmsley was at the training session and captured the incident on camera, from the women jumping, to Riordan on the ground with medical staff around her.

It was too early to tell the extent of the injury, with coaches and performance staff giving Riordan every chance to recover, but will have to pass an assessment on Friday to be named in the squad.

The 26 year old truck driver for the Defence Force debuted against the Black Ferns in 2016 when the Wallaroos lost 67-3.

 

  • Brisneyland Local

    Morning GAGR’s! Dont know about you guys and gals but I have had problems with the GAGR site all morning. Good to finally have it up so I can waste productivity on something I enjoy.
    – That AB’s squad looks good. Am surprised Mo’unga didnt get the 10 slot.
    – I hope to see Hunt redeem himself. But I dont think it will be in Red, and I think the Wallabies maybe Arnhem! (A Bridge too far!)
    – Not sure what the Wallas squad will look like but with Folau at fullback we can probably guess. which means the only move for change will possibly be the front row.
    – I hope Sarah can recover in time.
    – Righto lads, when do we think the squad will be announced.
    Over to you GAGR’s!

    • McWarren

      The squad will be announced at exactly 2pm, as I walk into the cinema and have turn my phone off.

      • Brisneyland Local

        McW ok bugger. Well I will have a look at it for you! ;-)

        • McWarren

          That’s what friends are for.

        • Brisneyland Local

          Apparently. But as KRL will attest to. I dont have any! ;-)

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Maaaaate

        • Brisneyland Local

          So I have one! hoorah!

      • Funk

        just put it on silent and turn the screen brightness right down….you’ll be fine!!

    • Missing Link

      tell me about it BL, I couldn’t procrastinate at work this morning, the horror!

      • Brisneyland Local

        Yep. I was actually agitated about it. And more coffee didnt help

        • Missing Link

          totally unrelated but speaking of coffee, have you acquianted yourself with a chilly mocha?

        • Brisneyland Local

          I have.Good in the evening. But must admit, I am a hard core coffee man. Espresso shots or Short Machiato’s for me!

    • Bernie Chan

      The Wallabies PR machine (AKA…Foxsports…) has been saying all week that Folau expects to play fullback. I have more chance of playing #13 than Folau while Cheika is coach…The same PR machine also mentioning how well the Wallas have been training…!

      • Brisneyland Local

        Straight out of the Waratahs play book!

    • Hoss

      Bloody disgraceful wasnt it Briz. I couldn’t connect ans was forced to work for 4 hours.

      Surely some sort of national apology, fund or programme to say sorry will be forthcoming.

      I’am exhausted.

      • Brisneyland Local

        Like you I actually had to do some real work this morning! I demand an apology!

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Lucky I was too busy working to notice.

        • Brisneyland Local

          For once I am feeling sorry for you!

    • Kiwi rugby lover

      Mate Mo’anga was never going to push Barrett out. Yes he’s good but there has to be more than that to get rid of a player who’s been twice player of the year for world rugby.
      I hope Sarah’s able to play she’s a massive player. Not so sure Hunt offers anything positive to be honest. Couldn’t really care where goes as his actions lost me.
      Good luck for Sat mate but I think the ABs are looking good

      • Brisneyland Local

        True. I think Mo’anga is on the rise. Christ, we would take him in a heart beat!
        I think the AB’s will be too good. AB’s by 7.

  • McWarren

    What are the odds of Folau playing 13 this week? I hope there long as I’m going in with a couple hundred.

    • Braveheart81

      Zero. Hodge will be picked in the 13 jersey.

      • McWarren

        I’m still backing a last minute change on game day. Hodge to the wing Sauce to 15 and Folau to 13. Though without the number on their backs changing I doubt my bookie will payout.

        • Hoss

          Teams out mate – Hodge packing at 6, Dusty at 14 and Banks Captain

        • McWarren

          I like dusty at 4 to jump in the line outs. Captain Banks, why does that have a familiar ring to it?

        • McWarren

          I’d like to have seen Banks instead of Sauce for some genuine pace particularly in defence.

  • Braveheart81

    Ofa Tu’ungafasi has withdrawn through injury. He is replaced on the bench by Tim Perry.

    • Brisneyland Local

      thank you!

    • onlinesideline

      Foley will be happy about that. He was T-boned by him last year.

    • Brent Craig

      Any idea what’s up with the forum? I’ve tried logging in on my phone & iPad & all I’m getting is this:

      PHP 5.4.0 or newer is required. 5.3.2-1ubuntu4.30 does not meet this requirement. Please ask your host to upgrade PHP.

      Alternatively do you have an email address for someone who might know wtf it means?????

      • Braveheart81

        It is working through Tapatalk but not through a browser. Upgrading is still taking place and should hopefully be fixed tonight.

        • Brent Craig

          Thanks mate. Have they fixed tapatalk? I used to have it but it gave me the shits so much I deleted it probably 18 months ago.

      • Missing Link

        hello this is helpdesk, have you tried turning it off and on again?

      • onlinesideline

        WordPress had a global meltdown in anticipation of Wallaby team announcement.

  • onlinesideline

    is their a team annoncement today ?

  • Missing Link

    The last couple of years I’ve been a bit ho-hun with the first Bledisloe, I’ve set my bar or expectation very low for good reason, we did better than expected last year. We have improved our Super Rugby teams this year, we look more cohesive this year against Ireland (despite losing the series) than we did against England 2 years ago and last year when we lost to Scotland. The All Blacks feel more beatable than 2 years ago, am I kidding myself? Should I reset my bar of expectation back down to “you’re got more chance of shagging a supermodel”?

    • Fatflanker

      The wheels will really need to fall off the AB game for a loss but what a buzz for the series it would be if we took that first game. We can dream…of rugby and super models.

    • Ads

      You’ve got more chance of shagging an ex supermodel might be the right level.

    • juswal

      They have always been beatable, Link. The problem has been that we’ve tried to beat them with dud tactics, unbalanced squads and inadequate fitness. And when we have got things right, we haven’t kept it up for 85 minutes.

      It’s up to us, not them.

      • Human

        Which sounds just like shagging a supermodel where we also haven’t kept it up for 85 minutes.

        • Missing Link

          I’d be happy with 85 seconds :P

    • Human

      Even supermodels need a weekend off now and then, ML

  • Fatflanker

    I see Danny Sip-too-muchly has fallen off the wagon again. Shame for him and for England – he was looking dangerous.

    • onlinesideline

      This guy is thick.

    • Brisneyland Local

      So disappointing. Watched his last few matches, and he is definitely talented. But what a screw up!

    • Greg

      I feel for the guy but
      WHY are you out a t a nightclub in the middle of the week?
      How does that work with raining? and…..
      if you are tucked up in bed you are not assaulting police.

      • onlinesideline

        you feel for the guy ? – this is about the 10th time he has done this and was banished from the game for years for precisely this. He gets a look in after about 6 years and he does this again. He is 2 brick thick mate.

        • Greg

          “fel” for the guy… was trying to keep that quiet :-) !!

          but where is his agent, his mum…. he clearly has a problem and needs some help.

        • onlinesideline

          Mate hes beyond help. Hes blown it totally.
          Generation next, step up.

    • Keith Butler

      Just read a few lines but if true he’s finished. Screwed up at the Rebels and screwed up at Gloucester. As the master wordsmith Terry Pritchett said “ a leopard does not change it’s underpants”.

      • Hoss

        Passion fingers mate – fucks everything he touches.

        • Keith Butler

          Thought he had changed but you’re spot on.

        • Ian Rodger

          A pitty for the poms he stuffed up because he was playing well last season for wasps and what i saw he played well against the bokks!

        • Keith Butler

          An alternative to Ford/Farrell. One kick that led to a try doesn’t make him a shoe in just an option. EJ won’t touch him with a barge pole.

  • Brendan Hume

    I think the Wallabies can get up over the ABs scrum if we pick a blindside and No 8 with some size. Hannigan and Pocock will weaken our set piece. Scrum dominance & lineout can lay a platform to win games – when you’re playing against defence like the Crusaders in the SR Final, you need to find somewhere you can find a weakness. For me – that’s about the only wobble in this ABs team – midfield is superb, back three are all stars, loose forwards and locks are outstanding… It’ll be interesting to see how Cheika plays this – more of the same where we are close, but not quite good enough, or have a decent crack at an alternate strategy that could upset this champion team.

  • nick51xx

    Wallabies: 15. Israel Folau 14. Dane Haylett-Petty 13. Reece Hodge 12. Kurtley Beale 11. Marika Koroibete 10. Bernard Foley 9. Will Genia 8. David Pocock 7. Michael Hooper (captain) 6. Lukhan Tui 5. Adam Coleman 4. Izack Rodda 3. Sekope Kepu 2. Tatafu Polota-Nau 1. Tom Robertson.

    Reserves: 16. Tolu Latu 17. Allan Alaalatoa 18. Taniela Tupou 19. Rob Simmons 20. Pete Samu 21. Nick Phipps 22. Matt Toomua 23. Jack Maddocks.

    • onlinesideline

      Had a feeling Maddocks would pip Banks. They must really rate this guy. Good for him, he must be on cloud 9. Hope he tears it up.

      Robbo Starting ??

      CARRNNNNN WALLABIESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

      • idiot savant

        Possibly Maddocks covers more positions?

        • Ian Rodger

          Can’t imagine they’ll use maddocks for anything but the back three positions. Phipps covers 9, and Toomua covers 10,12 and 13.
          He must have done something special during training to impress and get picked over Banks

        • idiot savant

          Im not sure Toomua covers 13, but Folau can if his wife lets him.

    • Missing Link

      Good team, I take it Sio is injured? Rodda over Simmons, I thought Simmons was the lineout caller extraordinaire? Maddocks has been around the squad and should get first dibs, he’s a good player, not saying Banks isn’t but Maddocks could feature with Banks in the same team in future. I also like the look of the backrow and a fan of Samu as a replacement. Also nothing against BPA, but Taf and Latu are a big improvement over the june series. Can’t wait to see Tupou plough through someone in black.

      Fingers cross Wallabies! let’s go!

      • Hoss

        Samu on the bench means Brian & Oscar Goldman will need to play the 80 minutes first game back from injury i reckon as Tui will be the changed player.

        Latu to play the roll of a big ball carrying 6 from around the 55 minute mark in lieu of a big body on the pine..

        Wallabies by 6.

        • onlinesideline

          Samu better bloody shine because the Pastor is breathing right down his neck.

        • Who?

          Agreed. The only variation will be if Hooper can’t make it, comes off significantly early (i.e. before both Simmons and Tui are on the field), in which case maybe Simmons would go to 6, Samu to 8, and Pocock to 7.

        • Hoss

          Simmo has been much improved this year around the paddock. He needs to bring a big ball carrying game to the mix

        • Who?

          Simmo at 6 isn’t the worst option, if required. He’s always had a good pass, and the Tahs have played a great mobile pack game this year, running forwards, passing and support play… There was one try scored out wide early in the year where three of the forwards (Wells and Simmons among them) threw 10+m passes left to right whilst running full pace straight ahead (i.e. they passed with square hips) – too many backs would’ve been envious of their passing! Wish the Reds pack were being coached to run at holes, pass and support as well as Gibson had the Tahs doing this year.

        • Adrian

          I will pray for that bro

        • Brumby Runner

          Ha ha!

        • Braveheart81

          If Hooper had to leave the field early, Tui wouldn’t come off. When Hooper got injured (and so did Coleman), Tui played 80 minutes. I agree that the intention starting the game is most likely that Tui won’t be needed for 80 minutes.

          In an ideal world I would say the planned subs are Samu for Tui and Simmons for Rodda. Coleman, Hooper and Pocock to play 80.

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          Does hurt the line out though, so you’re probably right.

          If Hooper struggles with fatigue maybe Cheik will look at replacing him and letting Tui play 80 though.

      • Braveheart81

        Simmons is the backup lineout caller. Coleman is the starting lineout caller.

    • McWarren

      This can’t be right, no Ned?

      • onlinesideline

        Holy Matza Balls – just realised.

        • Greg

          Matza Balls…. now there is a memory…. not a great one!

    • McWarren

      Feels like more of the same with a bit deck chair rearrangement.

      • Hoss

        Its like Groundhog Day

    • Mart

      Best team they could pick really. I would prefer Arnold coming off the bench instead of Simmons… ‘but he’s a caller…yadda yadda’

    • McWarren

      Feels like more of the same with a bit deck chair rearrangement.

      • McWarren

        Not sure why this came up twice. I wasn’t reiterating.

      • Hoss

        its like groundhog day

        • idiot savant

          You two are funny.

      • idiot savant

        You two Are funny.

    • Kiwi rugby lover

      That’s actually a very good team. Looking forward to Saturday

  • Damo

    Comparing the chances of the Wallabies winning on Saturday night and me winning Powerball tonight. One is 134.5m:1- and the other is operated by Golden Casket.

    • Hoss

      Gold.

      But someone has to win it.

      • Damo

        I am forever hopeful on both fronts Hoss.

  • Brisneyland Local

    Ok. About what I expected.
    Not happy with Robertson as a starting scrummager. Too light. Better as a bench option but with Sio injured. It is what it is.
    Would rather Pocock be 7 and Captain. But sure as fuck that aint going to happen.
    The Darkness by 7.

    • Hoss

      Dont mind it mate – i go back to Tah’s v Saders in regular season and the Tah’s more than held there scrum under Kepu & Robertson. Throw TAF in the middle and i reckon its alright and a ripper front row on the pine

      He’s in form, vastly improved and mobile round the turf.

      Maddocks versatility and the make up of the backs probably sees Maddocks get a spot over Bastard, but i am happy with the squad, fit, firing and ready to rumble

      I will see your Darkness by 7 and raise you a gold by 6.

      • Brisneyland Local

        Hoss I like his mobility, but in the Scrum with two big boppers like Kepu and TPN, Robo becomes the weak hinge they will target.
        But you are right, the bench when the Thor comes on will beef it up.
        Other than Phipps I think our bench is really strong.
        I hope you are right, but fear that I will be!

        • Adrian

          Hi KRL
          I think TPN has a nack of helping props in scrums if there is a weakness, but I’m not sure there is.

          Pre-June matches, Alaalatoa was rated above Robertson by Wallaby coaches at LH, but got injured, hasnt played much and would be short of a trot. I’d say that, and Robertson’s good form all season got him the gig.

          I do like the reserves bench though. Can’t wait for that front row in the last 20 or 30 minutes

        • Brisneyland Local

          Me too! If we are still in the game it might help get us home.
          Provided Genia is still on the field.

        • onlinesideline

          Phipps – OMG

        • Brisneyland Local

          Abso fucking lutely!

      • onlinesideline

        7A, Latu and Thor is fierce isnt it. Was chatting to an Irish bloke having a drink here in Buda (watching Neymar crying on the ground) and they were all shocked at how Thor shunted the Irish pack. They couldnt believe it as the Irish were pushing the Poms and Saffas around regularly.

        The second 40 mins will be a something else. I agree with you re Robertson. He has good tackling technique, hes mobile as you say, smart and will sprint to make a tackle. more than what 7As will do. But Sio is a loss though dont you think. Hes a leader.

        • Hoss

          I am a Sio fan mate to be sure and yes he has the bulk. As a TAh’s man i too thought we were too little in the piggies this year, but Robbo has fight, good technique and his lack of height (for a modern prop) means he can get in under his opposite and also bring a bigger prop down lower and negate the advantage. For me he has come along in leaps and bounds and reminds me on one Mr Fat Cat- similar build and a great scrummager.

        • Brisneyland Local

          He had to be half the weight of mr Fat Cat Dunning?

        • Brumby Runner

          Robinson.

        • Brisneyland Local

          Yep
          well certainly looked. Fat Cat didnt get that name for no reason!
          I am sure he thought there was a roast chicken and a dozen donuts at the bottom of every maul

        • onlinesideline

          Saw him in a pub in south sydney once. The bloke is dead set tiny. Alot of these guys are way smaller than they appear on the idiot box.

        • Brisneyland Local

          I saw him recently in the QClub and he has certainly lost a lot of weight. In fact he looked svelt!

        • Adrian

          He lives 8 doors up from me, here in latte land!

        • Brisneyland Local

          Is he still looking trim?
          No rugby players live near me. But I do sit next to Nathan Sharpe on the plane a bit. About 3 times.
          The hosties thought we were brothers. By god was Nathan insulted!

        • Adrian

          Yes, trim, and the same general shape and size as John Hipewell.

          I sat behind Mal Meninga on a Canberra flight. He took up 2 seats in Focker Friendship

        • Brisneyland Local

          Yeah I refuse to fly in anything little that isnt my own plane.
          That way I can take up two seats. Mrs BL is happy to sit in the back with the tin lids!

        • idiot savant

          I was on a flight the other day with Kevvie Walters. When we got off, Kevvie met a couple of huge Pacific Islander guys. As wide as they were tall. Kevin looked like a dwarf. Made me realise how courageous the little guys are. He flew economy as well!

        • onlinesideline

          Newtown ?

        • Adrian

          Nearly… Alexandria. Erskineville is inbetween, but all part of broader latte land. Now incorporates avocado land, gluten free forest, and the vegan semi-autonimous republic

        • idiot savant

          Geting harder to find an uncorrupted industrial suburb…

        • onlinesideline

          Used to be my old stomping ground work wise. Love that area.

        • Brisneyland Local

          But then again everyone looks little to me. Except Arnold and Coleman. they look about normal!

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Because you’re so big mate. Met Tana and Nonu once and they are massive.

        • Brisneyland Local

          I am sure they are. I stould behind Pocock in the airport que. He wasnt real tall, but holy shit he was twice the shoulder width of me.

        • Braveheart81

          Listed as 6kg lighter than Robinson. Sio is listed as 9kg heavier than Robertson and 7cm taller. Robertson has an advantage of being a short prop which can make it easier to get under his opponent.

          Both him and Sio gave up too many penalties in the scrum in Super Rugby this year but I think are clearly our best options. Sio is a better player and would be starting if fit. I think starting Robertson is the right choice given Ala’alatoa has not played much LHP through his career and it could be a couple of years since he has played there at all in Super Rugby.

          Robertson is not that small for a LHP and when you adjust for his smaller height he is right on par with other players. Joe Moody is only 5kg heavier but 8cm taller.

          I expect our starting scrum to have at least parity and our finishing scrum to give us an edge.

        • Brisneyland Local

          BH that is probably about right with the scrum. Parity to start stronger to finish.

        • Ed

          Are you saying we have the best scrum in the world?

        • Braveheart81

          No, but I think the All Blacks are far from the benchmark these days. I think they will have the weakest scrum in the Rugby Championship. It is not their focus.

        • Ed

          Bar Squire, this was the pack that outperformed the BI Lions at scrum and lineout last year.
          Maybe we Aussies should wait until the end of the RC to see how we perform before we start to really talk up our scrum.

        • Who?

          The ABs have improved in the last year, but it’s also arguable that the Irish scrum is close to the best in the world. I don’t know that we’re the best scrum in the world, but we’ve had a very solid scrum for a few years now, 7A’s saw us developing depth at THP, and with Tupou displacing him, I believe we’ve got a front row with the potential to mix it with any other front row in world rugby right now. That’s not to say we’re going to dominate, or that the ABs aren’t also strong, but we’re a long way past 2005. This is an area we could win, and come 2019, we could, for perhaps only the fourth time in our history (after 84, 91 and 99) plausibly be challenging to be the best front row in the world.
          Put it this way – our young hookers are our weakness. But they look decent, especially in the scrum. Our LHP’s, they look ok, and there’s more around the traps (we’ve got an 86 cap prop coming back to availability, and some more young blokes coming through). Our THP’s, I’d argue that we’ve got the best depth in the world, and the only player who’d keep Kepu and perhaps Tupou (as in Tupou would be close, but I’m not 100% sure he’d be next in line) out of a World XV is Furlong. Because those three scrummage as well as any tight head prop, and do things in general play that other THP’s can’t even dream of producing.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Yeah but your loosies are so unbalanced that it affects the rest of the play from your forwards. Too many players having to cover for the deficiencies in the loose and that affects their overall play

        • Who?

          Sssshhhh…. I was just talking the scrum! Don’t remind me about the imbalance in our loosies!

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Mate I agree he’s played well this year. Been his best that I’ve seen actually

        • idiot savant

          Robbo actually reminds me of Slipper. High workrate, ok in scrums if they dont last too long. I am fearful of him hingeing, which some stronger tight heads have caused. Could be the making of him.

        • Brumby Runner

          I am happy enough with Robertson in the starting lineup as I reckon his form this year has been pretty good. But having said that, and acknowledging that AA has been playing THP all year, I just cannot agree that he (Robertson) offers more around the ground than Allan does. AA has been the standout prop for work in the open all year in Super rugby, and he is at least the equal in scrummaging. perhaps better. But that is not the position where the game will be won or lost. From 10 to 13 is where the real weaknesses are apart from the bench.

        • onlinesideline

          I wonder if there are more scrums in the second half than first half from more fatique – drop balls etc. Maybe Robbo’s mobilty / speed in 1st half helter skelter could be a plus.

        • Brumby Runner

          Good thought and we can hope so.

      • Kiwi rugby lover

        Raise you black by 12 brother

  • onlinesideline

    What I want to see is some control by the Wallabies. Foley kicking down the line and turning the darkness around. Some patience.

    The start will always be helter skelter but its the 7 mins before half time, 10 mins after half time and the last 10 mins that we need to dominate.

    • Brisneyland Local

      Because that is where we generally speaking blow it out of our asses!

    • Damo

      If it’s close that 50-60 minute zone will be critical particularly if Hansen unleashes Mackenzie then. He has the ability to open up any mid field defensive structure, let alone a tired one. Cheika will need to manage the 21-23 subs carefully.

      • idiot savant

        thats where Banks speed might be missed.

        • McWarren

          Yep I’d have Him in for his speed alone. A lot of half chances will go begging because of our lack of speed.

        • Huw Tindall

          Yeah was a bit surprised Maddocks got the nod over Banks. Both exciting players with similar skill sets but Banks seemed to have the stronger season and was in red hot form at the end.

        • idiot savant

          Yeah but theres already 3 fullbacks out there. Banks needs to be better than Maddocks as a winger, which he probably isn’t at this stage.

  • Brumby Runner

    Not the team I would select, but close. Wallabies should be in with a chance if they play to their full potential.

    • onlinesideline

      Cheika needs to coach to his potential too. Another loss – bad performance and big question marks.

      • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

        I don’t think there is any threat to Cheika’s position at this point, but I agree, he has a very strong team out there. Aside from injuries to Sio, Kerevi and Kuridrani these are his first choice guys. Let’s hope he can pull something off :)

      • Brumby Runner

        Seems I’ve heard that said about Cheika for the last three years.

  • Brisneyland Local

    DHP (os Sauce as our Hoss calls him) does lack the pace.
    I must admit I dont share your enthusiasm for Phipps. During the Ireland Games he was not good.
    Hooper to 13 isnt totally crazy in my book.
    I dont know why but I am really liking Samu. He looked good off the bench in the SR final.

    • Greg

      Doesn’t he normally play around 13 anyway?

      • Braveheart81

        Either our 6/8 and 7 are charged with securing the breakdown on either edge of the field when we are in attack. That’s the pod system we play (and just about every international team does). Anyone who accuses Hooper (or any backrower) of seagulling isn’t watching much modern rugby.

        • idiot savant

          Yeah but Higgers was a seagull!

      • Brisneyland Local

        touche!

      • McWarren

        Spot on Greg

    • Braveheart81

      Phipps was one of our best in the third test when he started. I don’t think Powell is particularly good yet. Certainly not close to overtaking Phipps. Gordon has plenty of promise but plays a slower style game to Phipps.

      • Brisneyland Local

        Gordon is good. He will develop in time. I really rate Moses Sorovi. He played very well in the Wallabies versus Supers.

    • Brumby Runner

      Same with you about Phipps. Genia is in better form than Aaron Smith and is one matchup where I expect the Wallabies to be on top. If and when replaced, the contest will be a lot different.

      • Brisneyland Local

        Hopefully the forward pack bench will be on and give Phipps a little more time to take his passes rather than spraying it.

  • onlinesideline

    Folua to 13, Beale to 15, Toomua on

    • Braveheart81

      Folau is definitely the backup 13. DHP to 15 and Maddocks to 14 is another option depending on the time in the game.

      It will be interesting to see how Toomua is used assuming there are no injuries.

      • Brumby Runner

        I’m guessing, on the bench, as in not getting off the bench.

      • idiot savant

        Yeah I think thats right. That also explains why Banks is not in the 23. Banks is unlikely to be a Wallaby unless he can demonstrate in either training or NRC that he can play wing really well as he is really 4th choice full back.

        • Who?

          I’m not sure I agree there (Banks’ chances), for two reasons.
          Firstly, DHP isn’t a winger. He’s a natural fullback. But the Wallabies – and, usually (as in for most of this decade, though not this week), the All Blacks – play one winger and two fullbacks. Banks has played plenty of wing, he’s got great gas, and in that second fullback role, 3rd or 4th fullback is closer than 4th winger (i.e. Banks is closer to a spot than Speight, who’s maybe 3rd choice wing, behind only Koroibete and Naivalu as out and out finishing non-kicking wingers).
          Secondly… Maddocks. What is he? He’s obviously a first year player. But is he a fullback? Is he a winger? Will he eventually move to 10, as Larkham flagged before the season began? I don’t see Banks moving out of the back three, I do see Maddocks being mucked around as a utility player, like Hodge or JOC. Maddocks is picked as a bench player for now, I don’t know that he’s a starter at 15 beyond Folau or DHP’s careers. Because I don’t know that he nails down one jersey as his key role. Banks…

        • idiot savant

          I agree with you. I said Banks had to play wing really well. Maddocks has played wing really well a lot and I think thats why he got the nod. Ive only seen Banks play wing well once and that was a Babas game. As you say if Folau is injured DHP goes to full back so Banks is not needed as a reserve fullback.

        • Who?

          Not sure you do? Because I’ve said that our 14 isn’t a winger. Our 14 is a second fullback. So playing wing really well (and I’ve seen Banks play well there) isn’t the consideration. If our 14 was a second winger, it wouldn’t be DHP (a fullback), it’d be Naivalu, or Naiyaravoro.
          Further, a bench role is more likely to go to someone who covers fullback well, because you can’t lose Folau/DHP and replace them with someone who is a finishing winger, who doesn’t kick much. You want someone with more utility value, with a broader skillset. In fact, I’d argue that Banks has been selected because he covers fullback more than wing. Because he’s got utility value.
          So what I’m saying is that, if you’re 4th choice fullback, you’re closer to wearing a Wallabies jersey than 3rd choice winger, because the first two 15’s are in the starting squad, the 3rd is on the bench, and the first choice winger is in the XV, whilst the second choice misses the XXIII.

  • Ian

    Pleasant intention clouding greetings to you all on this date. I love “x” and hate “y”, I’m outraged and feel you should all share my exact point of view!!!! *insert angsty smashing of keys and passive aggressive tone here*

  • Hoss

    Well, now the dust has settled, i opine this view – i like the team.

    Really good spread of experience and youth. Some workers in the pack, a great reserve front row, Oscar & Brian at 7 & 8 complimenting each other in what they bring to the team.

    I reckon we are much maligned in the forwards and have held our own against most in the Cheika era.

    Hodge will go ok at 13, he’s a smart cookie and will make good reads, yes Shag and the All Blacks (technically legally miss-representative as there are clearly white letters and some sort of white pine tree bristle on the shirt) will send traffic his way but so what, give us a penalty 60 out and we will take three, add in 60 m touch finders and i am more than happy to have him at 13.

    I am real excited about the reserve front row – could be the match changers. We lack size in a second loosie on the pine, but Samu is astute and a worker, interesting mix of who shuffles where (i dont see Coleman or Rodda going 80 – so Tui & Simmons into the locks and Samu to 6, not a bad 6,7 & 8 to finish.

    Toomua can cover 10 & 12, Maddocks 11,14,15

    There’s no obvious holes in the squad. I am anxious about a 5/3 split, but in Cheik i believe.

    Two more sleeps gaggers, two more sleeps.

    • McWarren

      My concern with Hodge is he won’t be given touch finding duties. We’ll stick with pop gun nard and his lollipops 10m down field.

      • Ian Rodger

        It would be ridiculous if Hodge is not giving touch finder duties, i mean a clearing kick that takes you in to the opponents half or a kick that takes you 5 meters out of your own 22. I know which one i would pick

        • Brisneyland Local

          Fark it has been that way for two years. Foley cant kick it the length of my cock, and I am hung like a rogue jelly bean!

        • Adrian

          Yes and no.
          Just like Foley used to do, Hodge sometimes over cooks penalty kicks, so I’m 50/50 on this

        • Who?

          What do you mean ‘used to do’, Adrian..? I vaguely recall a penalty not finding touch against Ireland. :-
          And if I’m going to have someone over cooking the kicks, you’d at least hope it’d be the one who’s going to hit it 60 on the fly, not the bloke who’ll get you 40.

        • idiot savant

          Im with you Adrian. I have seen Hodge take penalty kicks and make less ground then Foley even though the ball has gone 50 metres further. Its a very particular skill and being able to kick it a long way wont necessarily lead to a better outcome. Inside the opposition half I would give to to Foley over Hodge every time. Much more accurate. Particularly if you are setting up for a line out drive.

        • Huw Tindall

          We’ve got to remember Hodge really takes his time winding up for a kick which means on clearing kicks it’s a risk of a charge down. Penalty tough finder obviously not an issue. If the Wallabies can consistently get well out of their 22 they are a chance. ABs are ruthless so don’t given them any attacking lineout opportunities from shite kicks. IMO this has been the Wallabies biggest failing since RWC2015

  • adastra32

    Possibly a statement of the bleedin’ obvious, but there is a heck of a lot riding on this one game – most of it in expectation of a WB win. It is to be hoped that they do not disappoint (again).

  • McWarren

    Maddocks covers Hodge. Folau would be a weak link at 13, Toomua is 10 & 12 cover only.

    • Adrian

      Agree, can’t see Folau at 13 at all. Madocks could do it, I agree McWarren

  • markjohnconley

    Ala’alatoa, Ala’alatoa, Ala’alatoa … everyone with me
    Ala’alatoa …

    Mind you Sio HUGE loss

  • Kiwi rugby lover

    Thanks Dylan. Bummer about that injury to Sarah I hope she’s ok. I must admit that AB team is looking good. I think some of the comments about them looking vulnerable are more a desire than fact. I do agree that on the day anything can happen but I think by the Wallabies will need both them to play very well AND the ABs to play poorly. If both of these don’t happen then it might be close but ABs by 12.
    Not sure that Hunt offers anything positive to the Reds and I actually agree with BT keeping him away. I think he needs to look elsewhere. QC though is a different issue and I think he offers a lot. Hope he gets back.
    Personally I’d love to see Izzy at 13 as I don’t think he’s effective there at all but glad he’s at 15. Still think 14 would be his best position so glad he’s 15 against us.

    • Who?

      I think the injury to SBW actually strengthens the midfield. This team seems to be in a slight state of flux, and I think that’s what’s giving the impression of vulnerability. And even then, it’s relative vulnerability, compared to the usual invulnerability.
      I see that Ted’s come out and proclaimed this team is the greatest ever, but I disagree. 2005, 2011, 2012, 2015, 2016, they were all stronger. This one still has a fair amount to prove, and is building towards Tokyo.

  • formerflanker

    Can anybody translate this into English for me?
    (It is stopping me getting onto the GAGR forums)
    “PHP 5.4.0 or newer is required. 5.3.2-1ubuntu4.30 does not meet this requirement. Please ask your host to upgrade PHP.”

    • Brumby Runner

      I messaged GAGR about it this morning. They said they were working on it, and there is a post here somewhere from Braveheart also referring to a fix being in place hopefully overnight. It has truly been a sorry day.

    • Greg

      Sure… PHP is a hyper text processor. ubuntu is a flavour of Linux that is hosting the server. I think this is the forum software (wordpress I think) complaining about the version of the installed HT processor.

      clear as?

      • Kiwi rugby lover

        No!

    • Missing Link

      just put it back in the original box and return it to the store with your reciept for a full refund

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