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Thursdays Rugby News sees North Hampton honour Horne, the Beale experiment is over, NSW sign school boys andTom Banks ready to go again.


 

ROB HORNE TESTIMONIAL

Rob Horne

Rob Horne

It isn’t often that an Australian will receive a standing ovation at Twickenham, but as he delivers the match ball on Saturday for the match between North Hampton and Leicester, that is what will happen for former Wallaby Rob Horne.

In the same fixture in last April, Horne was involved in a massive collision in the opening moments of the match that forced the 29 year old into early retirement. Horne tried to downplay the result of his injury, as all his teammates would testify to him being one of the hardest men in rugby, but the result was more serious than expected.

All 5 of the nerves in his right arm had been detached from his spinal cord, leaving his arm paralysed and dealing with chronic pain. The injury not only ended his career but also changed the way he had to live.

“To live with paralysis is something that is very new,” says Horne, (via The Guardian)

“I’m still learning ways to do things. It’s funny how the body is. If one thing is taken away from you, you become pretty innovative. You work out other ways to achieve things.”

Horne still has a love for the game he played for so long, and with no desire to watch the footage of the injury, he can still remember every element of it.

“I can’t put myself through it”

“It was my first game leading the team out. It was a special game up at Welford Road and we’d had a big week, changing a few things up. We were pretty primed for that game and I had my family in the crowd as well.

“When the injury happened I was fully conscious the whole time. I’ve been told it looks like I’m trying to get up and I just can’t. Like any player, you don’t think anything’s that wrong. Initially, when I couldn’t move my right foot it was obviously an issue but I kicked and kicked and got that moving. I said to the medics: ‘I think I’m all good, I just think my shoulder’s dislocated.’”

It didn’t take Horne long to notice a difference in the behaviour of the medical staff around him.

“I was lying there thinking: ‘Why are they approaching me like this?’ That was probably the moment I thought that possibly something more serious has happened.”

It was not until he was under the knife that the extent of his injury was understood, and subsequent surgeries have attempted to replace nerves in an effort to reduce the pain.

Saturday’s fixture between North Hampton and Leicester will raise money to help aid Rob in his journey to recovery.

BEALE EXPERIMENT OVER

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Rugby.com.au are reporting that Kurtley Beale will not be wearing the 10 jersey for the Wallabies match against the Pumas.

The Insanity of trying something that does work again and again appears to wear off, with the news that Matt Toomua and Bernard Foley have been training as fly half this week in Buenos Aires.

There is no confirmation yet to where Beale will be playing, though considering he has played most of his recent rugby at inside centre it is likely that he will wear the 12 jersey once more. Given how well he performed after his shift to full back against the Spring Boks it could be an option to put him out the back with plenty of room to run and make some magic.

Foley was a permanent fixture at 10 for the Wallabies until last month when Michael Cheika pushed him to the bench in favour of trying the Beale-Toomua combination.

Matt Toomua, who plays some of his best Rugby at inside centre, spent plenty of time recently playing five eight for English club Leicester in the Premiership League.

When Toomua returned to Australian Rugby, Cheika stated he believed that Toomua was a contender for playing fly half for the Wallabies.

“I think he can play 10, where he’s been playing at Leicester, and he can play 12 as well but he’s a 10, I think,” Cheika said back in August.

“He’s been shifted to 12 often here in Australia because different players have been around and that combination might occur again but with the intention there to have a look at him in that position.”

When speaking to the media, Toomua stated he believed the pair was improving and that the Spring Boks match was their best yet.

“I thought that was probably one of the better games that we’ve linked up in attack and we’ve got to keep building that,” he said.

“Unfortunately we all wish it was an overnight thing but it’s not, these things take time and it’s something we’re consistently working on so hopefully we can get a breakthrough, one with a result, and two with a good performance as well.”

 

AUSSIE SCHOOL BOYS SIGN WITH TAHS OVER NRL

australia a schoolboys v tonga

Despite being approached by multiple NRL clubs, Aussie School boys players Angus Bell and Will Harris have ignored the offers and signed contracts with the Waratahs.

The Melbourne Storm and the South Sydney Rabbitohs approached Harris, a lock out of Scots College in Sydney, who decided he wanted to follow fellow Scots Alum, Jack Maddocks to Super Rugby and then Wallaby Gold.

“They were both really great both those clubs but I am really happy to be staying in rugby,” Harris told RUGBY.com.au.

“It’s the right decision for me.

“It’s a game that I love to play and I’ve been given a great opportunity to stay here and play it.

“Hopefully I can play for my country one day at the highest level.”

Angus Bell, who will lead out the Aussie School boys this weekend at Ballymore, was also the captain of Newington’s 1stXV as well as NSW Schools 1 this year.

“I did get approached by clubs but my rugby is what I’m keen on and I really wanted to stay in Australia and stay in Sydney,” he said.

“The coaching and the development through the U20s program seems like an extremely good pathway for me.

“Not only to grow as a player but as a person.

“It’s a good platform and a good basis to build on rugby in Sydney and NSW.”

The NRL have a history of signing talent out of the Aussie School boys program, so this signing is a positive sign for players coming up in Rugby development pathways.

Rugby Union 1 – Rugby League, well we have lost count, but you get the picture.

 BANKS KEEN FOR ANOTHER SHOT

Tom Banks enjoys the spoils

Tom Banks enjoys the spoils

With a thumb injury putting an end to Jack Maddocks Rugby Championship, the door has opened for another bolter in Tom Banks, who could be in like for his 4thtest appearance if named on the bench, or even his first start if Marika Koroibete isn’t pick due to concussion.

The later seems unlikely since Koroibete has trained this week, but there is every chance the Brumbies speedster could be unleashed against the Puma’s in Salta on Saturday night (Sunday morning for the Australian based).

Banks knows that at the international level you only get a handful of shots to show your worth and this could be his.  Nothing has been confirmed when Banks was interviewed, but the fullback is keen to put his best foot forward.

He spoke about the team understanding the impact of their losses, but knowing that they are building to something bigger and better.

In other selection news, it appears that Cheika’s other experiment of two locks on the bench wont happen again this week with the head coach opting for a true back rower to come into the 23.

This move would open the door for a potential debut for Melbourne Rebels back rower Angus Cottrell, who has played all across the back row and even dabbled in the second row for the Rising in the NRC. If Cottrell is not the pick Reds big man Caleb Timu will get another shot in the Gold jersey for the first time since the Irish tour.

The Wallbies did not use a spare loose forward, instead opting to keep the three starters, Pocock, Hooper and Hannigan on for the full 80.

 

  • Hoss

    Just a thought Cheik, but why not start a genuine loosie at 6 (Cottrell) and have Timu and Flanders on the bench as second row, loose cover.

    No,no,no, no thanks needed – you’re welcome.

    • Kiwi rugby lover

      Mate he can’t do that now. That would mean bending to pressure

      • Custard Taht

        Bend don’t break, he should do the right thing and put his rubbish in the bin.

        • Hoss

          ‘The green reed which bends in the wind is stronger than the mighty oak which breaks in a storm’

          By some Greek guy, Con something.

        • Alister Smith

          …the Fruiterer??

        • Nutta

          Good luck to your families.

          https://youtu.be/teitdS2Dksk

        • Geoffro

          Love it.probably considered non pc these days or some such bullshit.

    • Brumby Runner

      Yeah, in truth, he had 5 locks in the team last week. Most locks are reknown for their lack of involvement and impact in general play, because they are picked first and foremost for their jumping ability. To have 5 in a test squad would be a situation that only Cheika would bring to the game. He has completely lost the plot.

      • Nutta

        I’m going to get slapped hard but I understand what Cheks was trying to achieve. He was going in against a Bok team who just out-muscled the AIB on AIB home soil. The Bok didn’t play smarter then the AIB. They played harder. So the Wobblies went in against the team in the world most likely to play a meat over brains team, who just had that theory reinforced, whose best performing loose forward is bigger then most Locks anyway (PSDT) and on their home soil to boot (SOOO FKN PUMPED!!!!). So Cheks took the biggest blokes he had available.

        I get it. It’s still dumb, wrong, incomplete and poorly conceived, but I get it.

    • Huw Tindall

      Mate start Simmo while we’re at it. Actually half serious. He did play in a World Cup final, makes his tackles, calls the lineout, and gives away a dumb penalty every now and again. I’d take that over lineout shambles. Pair him with Arnold for agro and Coleman off the bench. BPA to hooker for his anthem if nothing else and we’re back baby.

      • John R

        Simmons is either starting or not in the 23 if ya ask me. He’s not really an impact player.

        • Simon

          Yeah, and he’s capable of playing 80 minutes too which means you can start him with a big impact lock and another one on the bench. Simmons doesn’t have much impact but he generally makes his tackles and cleanouts and an 80 minute lineout caller is an advantage for consistency.

          Having him as bench backrower at test level is one of Cheika’s more harebrained schemes, and that’s saying a lot.

        • John R

          Absolutely, has a motor for 80 mins no doubt.

          I have a firmly held belief that we aren’t scoring tries because we can’t get clean ball off the lineout, and we know that this is Rob’s bread and butter. Our first phase plays are amazing, but we just never get to bloody see them at the moment!

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          Think that’s a really good point, John.

          I also wonder about Larkham’s coaching though… The Wallabies’ attack is starting to look like the Brumbies in 2015-16 – down from a huge peak in 2014, despite the strong set piece ball the Brumbies got.

        • John R

          I’ve seen plenty of other people suggest it, but maybe Larkham just has too much natural ability, and just can’t put that into words for his players.

          I can picture training and he’s like, “alright, and then when you get the ball just hit the gap, run into the space.”

          *player puts hand up* “Stephen how do I identify the space?”

          “well you just do…”

          Or… a bit like Booby Boucher trying to pass his wisdom down to LT’s guys: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfHOQAT0-Mk

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          I heard someone say that apparently he is coaching moves that are too complicated for the skill levels of our current players?

          Depressing to think that he may be able to succeed at the All Blacks, but not with us.

          Also… what is Mick Byrnes doing…?

        • Simon

          That’s another issue – Cheika’s original team had guys like Giteau and AAC who had excellent ball skills. The standard of those skills appears to have degraded over time and even Mick Byrne hasn’t been able to stop it. This must be coming from the Super Rugby clubs because the bulk of the ball skills are built up over the Super season, not in the few weeks in Wallaby camp. And the standard in the Super clubs is every bit as bad as the Wallabies.

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          I can only remember AAC ever passing once (vs Wales in 2013, so not convinced about his ball skills)…

          I’m not even certain the Super Rugby teams really deserve to be blamed. The Waratahs had fantastic drawing and passing skills this year, and the Brumbies were passing and offloading brilliantly in the second half of the season also. These skills have all gone to shit at the national level though???

        • Simon

          For AAC I was thinking more about ability to take and hold on to the ball, including in contact. He was usually a 13 after all.
          With the current backline, if they don’t knock it on when they receive the pass, chances are they’ll spill it in contact.

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          True. Their handling is atrocious. AAC, for all his lack of passing skills, was also a smart player and a good defender at 13, wing of 15.

        • Alister Smith

          I think his positioning to ensure he was in the right place to receive the ball (maybe call that his running lines) was also a major advantage. He could run a hole, Kerevi and Kurandrani are more likely to try and make a hole than to run into one.

        • Brumby Runner

          Re the two Ks, I think it’s more a matter of the game plan than the players’ preferences. During the Brumbies late season whirlwind finish, TK was running into gaps almost at will. I put that down to the more liberated game plan that was starting to become effective under MacKellar. At the Wallabies, TK is more likely to get the ball one off from the No 10, sometimes the No 9,and his job is simply to truck it up to and hopefully over the gain line and recycle.

          Kerevi plays a similar game at the Wallabies when he’s in 13 too.

        • Alister Smith

          Fair point, I didnt see a lot of the Brumbies late season. I suppose the player can only run to where the ball is thrown too – so if its thrown to the gap he just has to make sure he’s there.

        • Nutta

          The biggest issue there was that the Donkeys showed a little patience and the gaps came. They ran some variety, made defenders make a choice, watched those choices and picked their time. Conversely the Wobblies are trying to score tries off every 1st phase ball and it makes them panicky when they don’t.

          A lot of it would right itself if we would calm down, stop trying to score off every single phase but most importantly move away from the pre-programmed, algorithmic, grand sweeping symphonic movements. They are too easy to pick. We have to flatten, shorten and put multiple men in motion to force defenders to commit and make a choice. If they blitz the midfield then 9 darts or use a grubber and/or blind. If they sit back, run direct one pass wide off the ruck and chew metres. If they don’t compete the breakdown then inside passing and/or pick & drive. That is what makes holes. Make a defender choose then go where he aint.

          Even a dumb-arsed grass-muncher like me knows that.

          And at the moment, I can’t remember when was the last time we forced defenders to make choices. It’s not science. It’s simple. You can read us simpler than my kids Spot books.

        • Who?

          Think the last times we asked people to make choices were on first phase last year, and otherwise we’re probably talking about when Jim McKay was last the Wallabies attack coach…

        • Alister Smith

          Possibly even further – players should be coming out of Open Schools and U20s with decent ball skills – they are the sort of things that should be covered in a national programme and taught from U6s on. I am not sure if it is ball skills alone or the capacity to perform skills under pressure/extreme pressure of higher class/faster defenses at Test level.

          I have seen this team criticised for lack of heart or lack of enthusiasm but I don’t agree with that but I think they are both a dumb and an anxious team at times.

          Both Bob Dwyer and Glen Ella interviewed over the last two weeks have, while not necessarily directly criticising Cheika’s tactics, have suggested that the team strategy and game plan needs to match the skill level of the players and Ella in particular suggested that the game plan looks to be beyond the current skill level.

          My thoughts on this are (1) yes maybe we need to dumb things down and concentrate on performing more basic skills to a higher level rather than aiming for something that is beyond our capabilities (2) look at the mental approach – there is a distinct lack of confidence on the field and I suspect things that they are able to do with their eyes closed at training are proving beyond them on game day. We need a mental skills coach like the All Blacks to work with these blokes (and the coaches).

        • Geoffro

          Do you reckon some of them lacking BMT ?.This is something I believe a guy like DHP has in spades even though he doesn’t possess outstanding talent.

        • Alister Smith

          I am not entirely sure what BMT means sorry (I am ruling out Bradley Michael Thorn). If its similar to what I am calling situational or positional awareness or even just experience in a position then yes I wholeheartedly agree. When DHP was on the wing and being swapped in and out of fullback in defense and different attacking set-ups he looked a bit lost but now that he is back at fullback he seems to be reading the game so much better and able to capitalise on what he is seeing (though that has seen a drop off in Folau’s involvement). I think the only thing that DHP really lacks is a half a yard of pace. He knows what needs to be done 9 out of 10 times but he sometimes struggles to quite get their or when he does create a space he can’t quite finish it. Folau is probably no quicker.

        • Geoffro

          Big Match Temperament.Something say Elton Jantjes is often accused of lacking.Rips it up at Super level but invariably fails in the test match arena.Hallett Petty just seems to be in his stride during test matches while a few around him have panicky moments.

        • Alister Smith

          OK – makes perfect sense – yes he is one of our few composed players. I think he has read the old Rudyard Kipling poem, “If”,
          “If you can keep your head when all about you

          Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,”
          I think Cheika should set all the players down and have them read that.

        • John R

          Re; Byrne. Getting paid a good wicket and enjoying the warmer weather/nicer climate back in his native Australia?

        • Simon

          Yeah, this may not be entirely accurate but the perception I have is that Larkham’s still coaching the way he played, but the game’s moved on. Defences have improved and the better teams create scoring opportunities in unstructured play and through offloads instead of relying on set plays.
          Combine that with Cheika’s general lack of flexibility and I think it explains a lot of our recent inability to score tries.

        • Simon

          That’s certainly a big part of it. In recent years the Wallabies have been at their most dangerous off first phase set plays, and if they haven’t broken the line in the first two or three phases they usually get bogged down as unstructured play is not a strong point. And Pocock securing breakdown penalties led to plenty of first phase lineouts, as did the more recent emergence of a strong scrum under Ledesma.
          But not being able to trust the lineout is proving a real problem. And if you rely too much on structured set plays, you lack the flexibility to adapt if that happens.

        • Alister Smith

          I am a little concerned that our scrum will fade without Ledesma.

        • Custard Taht

          I actually think his best games for the Wallabies were when he played at 6.

        • Nutta

          Agree. He’s no chop off the bench. I wouldn’t have him at all – nothing personal but we have better options – but double down not off the bench.

      • Hoss

        I am with you Huw. Coleman has potential but his deeds don’t marry his fanatical following. The hookers are getting thrown under the bus for our line-out. Me thinks he is dodging a rather large bullet.

        • Huw Tindall

          He had one great season but has dipped for sure. I’ve know sweet f all about the lineout technicalities but some commentary this past few week’s suggests it’s more sh!t tactics than average throws e.g. not varying the call when Etzebeth is standing next to the pre-planned target. Seems basic enough and that’s callers fault not the throw. The hookers have been fine at Super level so this one is down to tactics/coaching/the caller.

        • onlinesideline

          Not dissimilar to Horwill. Came in, had a cracking first season, head down, low body height, I was loving it, finally an aussie forward who can run into opposition properly and then presto year 2 and 3 body height went up and he was starting to get smashed. Same with Coleman, now he gets pretty much smashed. WTH happens to these blokes ?

        • idiot savant

          I agree its the tactics. I think they need to get rid of this new system where they go into a huddle and decide who the ball is going to and then walk straight in and throw. It fixes them in position most of the time (there is one version where the jumper changes position) and it pressures the thrower to time the throw too quickly after getting into position. It also appears to telegraph the jumper to the opposition and wastes time that can be used to advantage in the actual line out. Its a system that almost gets rid of the need to call the line out. Anyone can call in this kind of system.

          If they all stand in the line out first the caller can look at his opponents, make a judgement about where the best place to throw it might be, and use the tension of time to bluff and wrong foot the opposition. If you go back several years you will see Simmons do this. He’s always watching, knows who’s lifting who, remembers where the last throw went, and is able to change calls late to best suit the situation. This kind of calling is a skill and has been thrown out the window and the new system is on the evidence a shambles. But Ill bet you London to a brick that the defiance continues and they double down on the new coach’s line out system.

        • Adrian

          Agree 100% idiot.

          The thrower needs the flexibility to throw elsewhere if the pre-planned tactic is anticipated

        • idiot savant

          The caller needs the flexibility. The only option the thrower has to change is to throw to the front. And thats if the front man is looking at him which he often isn’t. The jumper needs to know its coming to him.

        • Keith Butler

          The only game that I can recall Coleman really putting it on the line was a couple of years ago when he was paired with Arnold and they took turns in smashing it up the middle of the paddock. Awesome, and I thought at the time that they would be locking the Aussie scrum for years to come. Unfortunately, they have both suffered a drop in form and lost that bit of mongrel that all good locks need.

        • Dud Roodt

          He had an absolute belter in the first test against Ireland this year too. Not sure what happened to him after that

        • Keith Butler

          The Rebels made him captain and I reckon he lost some focus on his game.

        • Dud Roodt

          Yeah I agree that was bad for him. He’s not the type of player that should be captain in my opinion.

        • Will

          yeah loved that game – thought we had located the wallaby enforcers!

        • Geoffro

          Think again Will,but Coleman did improve slightly last week and actually forced his way over the ad line a few times compared to recent games where he seemed shy of contact.

        • Brumby Runner

          I hadn’t noticed that Arnold had lost form. Clearly the best Aussie lock going around in Super this year, and doing the things locks are paid for by winning the most lineouts and being part of one of the more successful scrums. He has more creativity in his little finger (huge though that must be) than the other top locks put together.

        • Hoss

          I Will lead off with a suggested 23 for Saturday

          1. 7A’s
          2. Seaweed
          3. The Abattoir
          4. Gene
          5. Lurch
          6. Blair
          7. Lee Magors
          8. Brian
          9. Sanchez
          10. Two Cows
          11. Cant-get-right
          12 Gilbert
          13 The boot
          14 Dusty
          15. Sauce

          16 Palestine
          17 Sio
          18 Methuselah
          19 Gary
          20 Flanders
          21 Commissioner
          22 Spanners
          23 Bastards

        • Keith Butler

          Hoss, you’ll have to enlighten me. Who are Seaweed, Blair, Palestine. I have a feeling that Commissioner is Gordon.

        • Greg

          Palestine is “Not Israel”
          The others… I am lost.

        • Hoss

          Latu – Edible Asian Seaweed = Seaweed
          Gus Cottrell – Blair Cottrell is Australia’s David Duke = Blair

        • Geoffro

          Coleman is the Pierre Spies of Aus rugby.Looks big and imposing but rarely backs it up through his actions.

      • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

        Simmons is the best line out exponent we have currently. Now that we don’t have a back-rower capable of running a line out I think he basically has to be in the side as Coleman’s calling has really declined.

      • Brumby Runner

        Simmons makes his tackles. In which alternative universe? I reckon he misses almost as many as he makes, and those he makes are so ineffectual that the ball carrier invariably makes another couple of metres with Rob holding on.

    • Keith Butler

      Too much for a cerebral thinker like Cheks to take in.

    • 61 test Horwill is in sparkling form in the UK. Just sayin, another option who wouldn’t be a cut above our lock options. Not loose but we lost our line out ready loose mcmohan to japan. Well played RA. Let’s give 6mill to our awesome skipper.

  • Huw Tindall

    If Folau is off his game mentally as the latest GAGR pod suggests he may well be then I’d be happy to rest him for a game and play Banks. Izzy has played a lot of rugby since coming back from his ankle injury post RWC2015. Would be good to see Banks go head to head with the speedy Argie outside backs.

  • John Miller

    Always a gutsy, wholehearted footballer, Horne is completely deserving of this acknowledgement. Best wishes for the day and moving forward. And it must be said, what a classy effort from the English Premiership.

    To matters Wallaby, this is the best and most honest appraisal of Cheika’s embarrassing rugby catastrophe: https://www.rugbypass.com/news/analysis-the-wallabies-have-reached-the-peak-of-delusion

    • Ed

      Don’t think Laurie Fisher will be receiving a Xmas card from Cheika, Larkham and co with his response to this article.

      https://twitter.com/LordLaurie58/status/1047400003876966400?s=19

      • John Miller

        Geez, Fisher wouldn’t be amiss as a Wallabies forwards coach. Not under this regime obviously – but perhaps after next weekend.

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          I imagine Jake White would be quite interested given history at the Brumbies.

        • Timbo

          There is history there. I don’t think Jake would take the position. He was tagged for the job after Deans but due to the ‘we want an Australian coach’ backlash, McKenzie was chosen. I saw him in Melbourne a few years ago when he was with the Sharks. Seemed happy. We had a decent chat about it.

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          Apparently he was furious when he didn’t get the job after Deans was cut, and then he was allegedly furious when he wasn’t offered the job after Link quit. His comments in the media over recent years have made it clear that he is desperate to coach internationally again.

          Also, there’s this too: http://www.espn.com.au/rugby/story/_/id/24728635/jake-white-consider-wallabies-test-rugby-desire-strong-ever

          Seems pretty interested to me. Very clear words in terms of media speak.

        • Timbo

          Fair play. He was promised the job and The ARU screwed the pooch because of international coaches gone bad(sounds like a soft core DVD). I’m not sure how Aussies would respond to Jake Ball but hey, can’t be any worse than the tripe we’re already getting served.

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          I think things are so bad right now that we will accept any improvements!

        • Missing Link

          I’ve genuinely curious about what Jake White or any other coach could do with the Wallabies. I don’t think it’s a problem with the players, more so what they are and aren’t doing on the field and that’s due to the coaching team.

          I just read this article and it makes sense, the Wallabies are inefficient when doing the basics, players over committing or not being in a position to be effective, then the odd flash of brilliance, we score a great try which clouds over the inefficiencies of the team.
          https://www.rugbypass.com/news/analysis-the-wallabies-have-reached-the-peak-of-delusion

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          I think that there are certain players who are basically just having a negative impact on the team – either through their attitudes or a lack of basic skills required for their position. Some of these guys are big names considered undroppable.

          I won’t name names, but if I were Wallaby coach I would drop a considerable number of them from the team and probably even the squad. It’d be easier to identify if you were the coach but there are players I suspect have issues with attitude, and if that was correct I would drop them from the squad regardless of how good they are.

          But I agree, most of the players are good players. They’re just being coached like shit. You can see my wall of text rant about the coaching a bit further down….

        • Alister Smith

          bestiality is soft core??

        • Nutta

          Gotta admit I thought that too. Must be the good little Catholic coming through in me. Sister Corina Teresa would be impressed.

        • Alister Smith

          Tarred with the same brush (though the wonderful Sister Mary Kelly in my case)

        • Nutta

          Dude there was little wonderful about the Little Sisters of No Mercy.

        • Alister Smith

          Different experiences then…they were truly a blessing in my life.

        • Geoffro

          He probably could have had the Springbok job in recent times but wouldn’t/couldn’t get on board with transformation policy.I think Jake is pretty inflexible in the way he wants things to be run.Could be good or bad if he was handed the wallaby job.

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          From what I’ve heard he is so hated by SARU that he will never be given another shot there. I heard he even offered to coach the Boks for free, but was still declined.

        • Geoffro

          Heh,heh they don’t like White supremacists much in SA. (sorry the bad pun)

        • servo

          I thought Jake White was the better option transitioning into the “running rugby”. Moving from running rugby to focusing on set pieces, “Jake Ball” was the perfect solution to transition back. Get out of our half then let loose in theirs. Now we’ve moved into running rugby all the time, great to watch, great rewards but high risk, perfect example is Beale’s cutout pass against the Boks on the weekend.

        • Nutta

          Also don’t forget the politics when he went to Donkey land. They desperately needed a ‘My way or high way’ type with no local baggage to sweep out the sheds. It was fundamental, don’t fk with me stuff. They got it off Jakey in personality, game-play, selections, man-management etc and it righted the ship.

          But it’s not what is needed here. What is needed here is strength but inclusion and cooperation because of all the bad blood created. Honestly I would go back to Link but he would quite rightly tell folk to fk off before putting himself and his family through that garbage again especially with the biggest single protagonist in his downfall so heavily sandbagged into the team that he can throw a double cut-out on his own tryline to a wide-ranging forward that results in a try 30seconds into a test match and NOT get hooked and sushimi’d? For real?

          I think a few folk need to remind themselves that, whilst the guy is no friend of mine, if Quade Cooper had thrown that pass there would likely have been assassins waiting for him next time he got off a plane somewhere. Now that’s saying something.

      • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

        Good that someone on the inside is finally willing to call out this diabolical outfit for what it is. Australian rugby is more and more starting to resemble a corporatised oligarchy where everyone involved – RA, the media and the “analysts” (it isn’t possible to use enough quotation marks on this word) on Fox – protect the status quo in order to protect their jobs, salaries and career progression.

        Time to clear out the ship.

      • Simon

        That’s a bloody excellent article. Nails it.

    • Dud Roodt

      Looking at those screen shots, and a couple of things stand out to me;

      1. I’ve seen more organisation and rugby smarts in subbies teams
      2. Izaac Rodda seems to have no idea what he’s doing? He looks to be in no man’s land every time. Not to single him out, but fuck me, the shit he’s doing in those screen shots is diabolical, U13 level shit

  • IIPA

    On Fox last night Hoiles said “this is the cattle we’ve got, it’s the best cattle we have, there aren’t half a dozen players who should be there but aren’t”.

    Anyway there’s a challenge. Here’s a 23 not involved in test matches the last few weeks ( bolstered by obvious selections Poey, Coleman, Thor and Kepu ).

    Banks
    Muirhead
    English
    Meekes
    Rocket Rod
    Cooper
    Gordon
    Timu
    Pocock
    Luke Jones
    Phillip
    Coleman
    Kepu
    Ready
    Slipper

    Res: Sorovi, Petaia, Deegan, Holloway ( or Skelton ), McMahon, Thor, Toby Smith, Tessman

    Outside backs with speed and rugby smarts

    Actual number 10s

    Lineout options

    Hookers that can throw straight.

    Not suggesting this should be a Wallaby team just refuting that there “aren’t options”…. there’s more…

    Darcy Swain for Izaak Rodda? Maybe.
    Lachlan McCaffrey or a Sam Figg playing a 6 type role that they are trying to get Hanigan to play? Why not

    Options abound.

    • Huw Tindall

      A good chunk of those guys played the Wallabies in that trial match and got spanked….not sure it’s the answer

      • IIPA

        Thats not exactly true and of the ones that did: Gordon played for both teams! Banks and Meakes played for the main team, and Banks was a consensus MOTM. Slipper and Phillip were the two best forwards for the “Possibles” team….

        I was just trying to demonstrate that we arent ‘stuck’ with the same exact 23 or even the same exact 30 if we perhaps open our eyes a little

        • Huw Tindall

          Cottrell played well for the Possibles too and had a cracker. I’ve been banging his drum since the end of Super Rugby. Hopefully he gets a gig this weekend. Legit 6! Agree with your point about looking beyond the current 23 though. Maybe just not as far as your list!

        • IIPA

          Too right, that’s an oversight by me leaving him off that list.

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          Paia’aua played well in the trial too.

          That team had something like a week to prepare. I wouldn’t look too much into the results as a result of this.

    • Hoss

      I actually enjoyed K&C last nite. The panel were quite frank and honest in their assessment. At last.

      • IIPA

        Agree they were

      • Missing Link

        Interested to know how they stretched out “gee the wallabies suck” for 30 minuted :)

        • Hoss

          Gold link. To be fair though, Kearns, The Governor and Hoiles all were quite blunt along the lines of a loss this weekend and things must change. All though all were along the lines of assistant coaches, support staff etc. the window of opportunity to replace the LST has passed it will all be tinkering at the margins if indeed anything changes.

          Apparently if we lose by 16 to the FISM’s we drop to 8th in the world rankings and one would suggest RAs hands would be forced.

        • onlinesideline

          So what your predicting is we lose, Link gets the job back, QC goes back to 10, JOC signs for the Force and Bled 3 in Singapopre goes down the he wire with JOC kickng for the win from the same spot and the whole last 4 years was just a bad dream ?

          i’ll buy that.

        • Hoss

          Saddest thing I’ve seen in sport. Big Link walking down that tunnel alone and shattered.

        • Nutta

          It was a dead set national embarrassment.

    • Huw Tindall

      Did Hoiles suggest who should be there who wasnt?

      • IIPA

        No, his exact words were ‘it’s not as if there are six or so guys who everyone thinks should be there and arent, this is our best cattle”

        • Huw Tindall

          Oh right sorry I misinterpreted – so Hoiles thinks they are essentially the best 23 or so going around. Sad times. Didn’t realize how much I’d miss TK and Kerevi and even Moore! At least our defence was OK and set piece worked.

        • Geoffro

          I miss Kerevi too he’s a gamebreaker but his defence sure leaves a lot to be desired.

        • Huw Tindall

          Couldn’t be worse than this lot

    • Geoffro

      Yeah,Rocket Rod ! his form hasn’t been half bad with the force either,shows what a couple years in Europe can do.Can’t be worse than Korobeite.

      • Nutta

        Go back and watch the few games the Forcies played against Supers this year. He got burnt.

        • Geoffro

          What,for pace? They must’ve been quick mfckrs. Heard he’s been playing well,have seen highlight reels only.

  • Christopher

    Biggest news today….
    Temuera Morrison to portray Eddie Jones in movie on Japan’s famous Rugby World Cup over South Africa. Courtesy of NZherald

    • Huw Tindall

      Is this a gee up?

    • Hoss

      They also have an asylum inmate playing a Wallabies coach and Michael Hooper is set to play the role of an open side flanker. Go figure.

      • Brisneyland Local

        Nah I heard they are re-making Point Break, a Third time. Hooper is playing Body!

        • onlinesideline

          lolol – brillianttt BL

        • Brisneyland Local

          I have had coffee this morning, and havnt had to deal with Barristers yet!

      • Simon

        They’ll have to use a stunt double for the breakdown scenes.

    • Brisneyland Local

      Tooo Much rugby by numbers! Not enough Speed work!

    • Dylan Langes

      I saw that article when I was doing the news. I thought it was pretty funny actually

  • Timbo

    I always liked Rob Horne as a centre. He had moments that were frustrating but then that’s the entire wallaby squad bar the chosen one, but his passion and willingness to play at 110% was good to watch even if it did eventually end in his retirement. Very much a Nathan Grey/Daniel Herbert type centre.
    This weekend will be hard for sure but knowing his tenacity, he will flourish despite his disability.

    • onlinesideline

      This really tugs at the old heartstrings this does. Just too bloody cruel. Not only to be paralysed but to have chronic pain. I know it sounds cleche but geeezuz one has to thank their lucky stars …. daily, for whatever is good. He seems like a bloke that wouldnt harm a fly. Very tough to watch.

    • Geoffro

      Gotta feel for the guy,devastating injury for a professional athlete (or anybody for that matter) He probably would have acquitted himself just as well or better in the current squad as anyone.

  • onlinesideline

    Are individual selections and their postions really the question though ? A player here, a player there. I thought the sum of the parts was the beauty of the team game, that when told how to play properly, rendered who was in the team far less significant than one would assume. The idea that passing the ball along the backline, through hands, is always faster than any one person, is a case in point isnt it. Its about team play. Basic example ….. but.

    The cleche that a team of well coached ordinary players will always be hard to beat is being forgotten here. The cattle discusion is sending aussie rugby followers certifiably bonkers. How much energy has been spent on this forum selecting personel and rearranging positions. Its clear this is not the discussion.

    Its all upstairs and Im not talking about attitude, Im talking about smarts. They dont know how to be a team. They are disconnected with each other. They dont link offensively or defensively. They are team of one off plays always “looking” for their team mates. They should be able to play blind folded to a certain extent.

    There is no glue.

    Bye bye Cheika.

    • Human

      If I were Raelene Castle, I would be ringing Jake White, Laurie Fisher, Phil Mooney, Knuckles (much as I dislike his methods), Brian Smith, Muggleton, and Nutta and asking some or all of them to form a coaching dream team even for a year. I would rip up the contracts of at least half the current squad (surely there are performance clauses in there) and start again before RWC19. Get Nucifora back to replace Kafer and 30-40 other hangers on, while you are at it.

      • onlinesideline

        Id be happy with Fisher, Mooney, Muggleton – very happy.

        • Fatflanker

          White, with Fisher and Muggleton – that would be a very pragmatic short-term fix.

        • Parker

          Very happy to see a growing recognition of what Muggleton can bring to this team.

        • onlinesideline

          Mate I think he flew the coop decades ago and wouldnt be be the slightest bit interested in wallaby work.

        • Who?

          He left at the end of 2007 when they overlooked him for the head coaching gig. I’m not sure what he’s done since…

        • Bakkies

          Muggleton like Les Kiss was shown up when his defensive tactics didn’t work. Players running around it for fun. No hint of adaption funny enough both coaches lost the rag.

      • Who?

        Given Quade and Karmichael spent the whole year not playing Super Rugby but receiving their contracts, I’m guessing there might not be performance clauses in contracts..? And, honestly, given professionalism came into the game in 1907/8 because players would get injured and be unable to perform (i.e. contracts were granted so that people were guaranteed an income for a period of time), I don’t see that they could ever be written back in. The only performance clause is about match day payments.

        • Human

          So we are stuck with the current lot and hoping that some choose to go offshore. Bugger me.

        • Who?

          I don’t see that the major problem is the cattle…

      • Nutta

        Dude?!? Bloody hell. Was that a typo?

    • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

      It’s not all about selections.

      It’s everything.

      The selections are of course terrible, that goes without saying. But beyond that…

      We are using an atrocious strategy (and I use the term “strategy” very loosely) that, even when it works, is not very effective or intelligent, and it rarely works.

      The “strategy” has apparently made most Australian players stupider and more robotic, being almost the antithesis of Deans’ very excellent ‘play what is in front of you’, and so our players struggle to make intelligent decisions even when not following the game plan.

      The mantra of ‘effort’ and ‘aggressiveness’ means that our players go out with way too much aggro and not enough brains, concede heaps of pointless penalties, whinge and argue with referees (even guys like Pocock who are normally level headed) and then run out of steam at the end. They give surly responses in the media as they have a siege attitude undoubtedly fostered by Cheika, the high priest of whininess, surliness and treating fans like morons and with contempt for questioning him and his results.

      The coaching has resulted in players de-skilling in a lot of ways because the team is simply not practicing core skills such as kicking or offloading (and this is even ignoring things like second man plays). most of these players kicked and offloaded better at Super Rugby as they were practicing them (the Brumbies guys at the season being the best example).

      There appears to be no team culture from the outside as the team is so much less than the sum of its parts. The players never look like they’re having fun or are playing for each other. Tui’s incident was the clearest warning sign of this, but from what Reg is saying about Folau on the podcast and the discussions after it, that is another.

      A selection panel might paper over the cracks, but unless there is a complete overhaul we will sink further and further into mediocrity.

      All the while the corporatised and toxic culture of RA and the media and Fox protecting each other means that questions aren’t being asked and no changes have occurred, despite the fact that most of these issues were obvious since June 2016.

    • Damo

      OS, I think this is a very accurate observation. If we could select half of the All Black side today, the individual skills execution would probably be better but unless the overall structure of play and the tactical plan was changed the outcome would still be uncertain, clumsy and ultimately ineffective. IMHO we have a game plan that consistently brings out the worst in individual players. There may be better players around but until we can prove that the current team is delivering to the best of its ability new selections are pretty irrelevant. This is very definitely a coaching/ game management issue.

      • Geoffro

        Quite correct,that’s why we often see Baa Baa sides chock full of talent get flogged and combinations need time to gel.If Cheika goes to Foley 10 and Toomua 12 it’ll probably not improve the situation and to be honest Foley at 10 with Beale outside him is probably his best option (much to the chagrin of the punters on this site)

        • Damo

          Beaucoup de chagrin on this site in recent months mate!

        • Geoffro

          oui tres certainment

    • Alister Smith

      Part of the thing I think is playing players out of position. I think if we were playing the same 15 or 23 players in their own positions and sticking with them for a bit and it may not be looking as bad as it is. Compromises in the back three, and on the side of the scrum (and more recently in the 10/12) complicate things. Interestingly, Richie McCaw puts down the All Blacks loss in 2007 World Cup to playing an inexperienced OC out of position and also a wing (not entirely sure about the wing). I am not a fan of “picking the best 23 players and fitting them in somehow” or of “he’s a great athlete and its just a matter of picking up the nuance of the position”. That might be fine against a lesser side but if you play the All Blacks or Springboks or ireland and your up against a 30 year old who has been playing that position since junior rugby then he will have a lot more situational awareness etc, you might be able to tackle as well and run and pass as well but knowing where to get your self at the right time – those minor things that will come inately to him but not to you – that’s where you’ll lose out every time.

  • Timbo

    Surely with the Beale experiment overawe can put him back at 15? He is a talisman player and with space, much like Folau, makes things happen.
    Back line for me is:
    Foley
    DHP/Banks
    Toomua
    Hodge
    Folau
    Beale

    What have we got to lose?

    • Brisneyland Local

      With Spanners at 10. Shit loads!

      • Timbo

        You’re ex Mil right?

        Wallaby AAR. If our 10 needs to be fixed, what is the solution?

        Toomua is a 10 yes and can play at 10 but hasn’t with Beale or Hodge outside him. Spanners straighten the attack much more than Beale and Toomua is untested this time around.

        Defensively Toomua at 10 or 12 makes sense and Spanners can make a good cover tackle.

        Your solution?

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          Who is spanners?

          I don’t see why we don’t just go for Toomua at 10, Hodge at 12 and English at 13 until Kuridrani is back.

          Next year we could opt for the same, go for the twin Ks in the midfield or if Quade plays well then we could revert back to the combo that works so well in 2013 with 10. Quade, 12. Toomua, 13. Kuridrani.

        • Missing Link

          I’ll give you a clue, Spanners is the opposite to Reece Hodge when talking about kicking distances

        • Greg

          It is a Hoss-ism. A 10 that makes his nuts tghten every time he gets the ball.

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          Right. While I don’t think a spanner can fix the Wallabies’ issue. In fact, I think it’ll throw a spanner in the works.

          But I honestly don’t much care. I’m at the point where I hope Cheika goes for 6. Hanigan, 7. Hooper, 8. Pocock, 10. Foley, 11. Koroibete, 12. Beale, 14. DHP, 15. Folau, 20. Simmons, 21. Phipps because I honestly hope the Wallabies lose and Cheika departs.

          Jake White used Toomua at 10 in the past and I imagine were he to coach the Wallabies would be interested in 10. Toomua, 12. Hodge, 13. Kuridrani given the defence it offers, and the kicking game.

        • Fatflanker

          You’d think we’d have learnt by now – any defensive system that requires hiding players is going to get chewed up on fast turnover ball. Don’t care what other qualities a player brings to the table, if he isn’t a reliable tackler and can’t be depended on to defend his lane, he’s got no place in this team.

          Depressingly, I can see coach anti-midas running with exactly that team, pulling off a one-in-five games win and locking us in for an EOYT man-shaming.

        • Brisneyland Local

          Spanners is Hoss’s name for Foley.
          I.E. everytime he touches the ball his (Hoss’s) nuts tighten!

        • Brisneyland Local

          Ah yes the After Action Review (AAR). If only the wallabies had done one of these. I would love to see their Sustain Improve Fix matrix. But alas I bet there isnt one.
          I would play Toomua at 10, to defend at 10.
          I would play Spanners off the bench at the 50-60 min mark as fresh legs. What I would give for a fit Kerevi.
          But alas not. Probably Beale at 12.
          Design a new exit drill from in side our 22 that doesnt involve Foley kicking and leaving us to defend a lineout inside our half.
          But with the squad we have over there, we dont have a lot of choice.
          But after watching the Bris city vs Qld Country game. I would have a real 10 in the squad.

        • Greg

          “Design a new exit drill from in side our 22 that doesnt involve Foley kicking”

          or Beale passing?

          I would go Toomua at 10 unless QC is on a flight already. We don’t know if it will work… we know what has not worked. Toomua has looked composed (except for when he was hooked).

          So who would come off for Foley to come on?

        • Brisneyland Local

          Hopefully not Toomua. Once he leaves and Foley comes on, we have a defensive structure issue again. with two people that cant defend! (Beale and Foley).

        • laurence king

          You’re absolutely correct on that imo, Beale is the only one as he and Foley have similar defensive frailties.

        • Brisneyland Local

          And we have been trying to hide them most of the last two years. Or longer.

        • laurence king

          To me, he is actually better in the line in the 12 posy, he coped with Sonny Bill Ok last year. It’s big blokes at full speed that he seems to have trouble with.

        • Brisneyland Local

          At best he is still a turnstile.

        • laurence king

          I do think he defends in the front line better than elsewhere where he does impressions of a pinball.

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          Hodge’s best Super Rugby form has been at 12, and English was our best defending 13 after Kuridrani. Baffled that they haven’t been seriosuly considered at 12 and 13 by Cheika.

        • Brisneyland Local

          Who knows what goes on inside Cheika’s head!

        • Hoss
        • Brisneyland Local

          Pure gold Hoss

        • Damo

          “…defend a lineout (DEEP) inside our own half”

        • Brisneyland Local

          Just outside the 22.

    • John Tynan

      Beale not better at fullback than Folau or DHP, with DHP my pick and Folau in the wing. Beale at 12 for mine, Toomua at 10, which is how I would have set it up from the start.

      • laurence king

        Beale is not safe under the high ball when under pressure. 12 for mine or on the bench.

        • Parker

          When was the last time he demonstrated that?

        • laurence king

          The last time he was under pressure and had to jump to take the ball, and the previous time was when he was under pressure and had to jump to take the ball ad infinitum. If he could take the ball safely as per DHP, I’d have him at fullback every time as he is without doubt one of the premier attackers in world rugby.

    • Parker

      I’d like you to lose Foley for starters.

  • Adrian

    Thanks Dylan

    Graham Henry anyone?

    IF they are going to give Cheika an “advisor”, or if they sack him, or if he quits, we need a guy who doesn’t allow himself to be bullshitted to by administrators, coaches, players and Foxtel lackies

    • RF

      If you bring in Henry or someone else, let him choose the entire coaching ticket. Even Joe Schmidt working with the same coaching team probably wouldn’t improve things much.

      I think an advisor to Cheika will make things worse, it just undermines the authority of the head coach and will further divide the squad. Also the advisor would be working with the same coaching staff which is, in my opinion, the issue.

      • Adrian

        Agree 100% RF.
        I’d get rid of all current assistant coaches as the first thing I did

    • Brisneyland Local

      Thanks Adrian. Some one singing my tune. I have been saying Sir Graham for 12 months now.

      • Adrian

        No worries BL

        The other day I was thinking about what a relatively modern coach would do if they were asked to step into the breech, without much notice.

        Let’s assume the had been following Australian Rugby for 20+ years, had watched most Australian SR teams most years, most Wallaby matches, and a bit of NRC. They’d also known current coaches, but not necessarily players.

        They’d know all about things like modern defensive structures, first phase attack and when and when not to kick.

        He’d wonder why (or perhaps know why) Waratahs could score 29 points per half, and Wallabies can’t. He’d wonder why the Reds didn’t do better with all those forwards, and backs like Kerevi. He’d wonder why Wallaby forwards couldn’t dominate like Reds forwards.

        If he wasn’t watching closely, he’d assume Cooper was playing for Qld, and that the SR top try scorer was in Wallaby squad

        From his knowledge and gut feeling he’d pick a team.

        I can nearly guess who’d be in it

        • Brisneyland Local

          Yep. And he would play players for what he sees not anything else.

    • Silver Ghost

      Great idea Adrian.
      Even in the darkness you are looking for the light!!!!
      He might pick Thorne as an assistant, which would bother me a bit, but nowhere near the pain I currently feel with the ‘brumby player power” cohort hanging around the wallabies.

      • Adrian

        Thanks Silver.
        Oddly enough, BT would probably do what Henry told him, and not preach…. because Henry is Henry

        If BT behaved, he could get forwards to understand what a pack was in one corner of the field, whilst Mr Grumpy chatted to Quade and the rest of the backs on the other side of the field

      • Adrian

        Really,…it is anybody’s guess, but Castle is a kiwi, and smarter than Pulver

  • phil peake

    9 Genia
    10 Foley
    11 Maddocks
    12 Toomua
    13 English
    14 Banks
    15 DHP

    Gordon, Folau, Beale on bench to come on at about 60 mins

  • Bixbyvegas

    The backline that will win back the bledisloe in 2020! mark my words!!!

    9 Gordon
    10 Banks
    11 maddocks
    12 Toomua
    13 Petaia
    14 folau
    15 dhp

    Reserves playing last 20-30 mins of every match.

    Genia, kerevi, Beale.

    • RF

      I think some comments are harsh on Beale.

      In a well-managed, well-coached, well-oiled machine Beale can be a magical player for us and one of the first names in the XV.

      • laurence king

        I would agree with that. Foley and Beale both have lost form, no such problem while with the Waratahs. I see it as a coaching problem. Although they both have frailties, the Waratahs displayed tremendous fluency this year.

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          Foley and especially Beale were attacking very well in Super Rugby this year, so the lack of their attacking prowess has to be largely coaching related (although defences are better at international level).

          I think that there is too much pressure on Beale to make all the big plays right now. And he was never like a Quade Cooper who was capable of being the primary playmaker in a team. Beale was best when he got to pick and choose his moments, which he hasn’t been able to do with the Wallabies this year, he looks like he feels has to make a huge play every single time.

          That being said, there are still issues with his defence even when he is in form.

  • phil peake

    One thought I have: Cheika has never dropped Folau. Never ever. Even when he plays bad. So many people find it hard to admit when he plays bad but even when they do, which many experts have again this week, they would never drop him. Why? It might actually help Folau (and the team).

    We have enough good players that know their position. We have good fast wingers. He doesn’t work hard enough to be a good winger and doesn’t react fast enough in defence. We have DHP and Beale who IMO are better 15s, and Folau doesn’t get being a winger. Can’t he make an impact off the bench or be dropped? Come on for DHP at 60 mins? ABs do with McKenzie and did with Barrett beforehand. Cheika needs to show Folau he’s not an automatic pick, it’s a big weakness that he can’t do this. He thinks he can’t win without Folau. The only game we won this rugby championship was when Folau was injured!!

    People saying Beale’s now a great defender because he played in the UK, but he’s been defending poorly all season at 12, constantly trying to strip the ball, getting bumped off, or going for the intercept instead of just making the tackle (it shows mentally he’s not committed to the tackle). Some of Beales best rugby for the Wallabies has also been off the bench. I just want the backs to play like a team and I think not starting with Folau and Beale will help. We’ve never tried it!

    • Brisneyland Local

      He will never drop folau. NSWRU will go apeshit. As Folau will use that as an excuse to go to QLD or NRL or overseas. Then all of the blue boys will bag Cheika senselessly.

      • phil peake

        He’s not our most important player. And not more important than playing like a team.

        • Brisneyland Local

          I agree. But it doesnt mean the rest of NSWRU do.

  • MungBean

    “Banks knows that at the international level you only get a handful of shots to show your worth…”

    Does he? Because if he does the. I suggest he acquaint himself with the reality of Wallatah rugby

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