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Thursdays Rugby News sees a Familiar face in Wallabies camp, Jaguares believe they can win, The fine print in JOCs contract and Liam Squire turned down an All Blacks jersey.


 

 

FAMILIAR FACE IN CAMP

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Former Wallabies captain turned commentator George Gregan has been seen around Wallaby camp this week after being invited down by Michael Cheika to impart some of wisdom on the halves.

“It’s been a pleasure working with the players, the extended squad, minus obviously the Brumbies who played in the semi-final of Super Rugby but Michael (Cheika) asked me to see if i could come in.

“I had some time available to help with the preparations going into the Rugby Championship and the coming year, specifically around the position I used to play which was nines and 10s so it’s been enjoyable.”

This isn’t the first time Cheika has called Gregan into camp to help in a special capacity, back in 2017 the former captain ran leadership work with the group.

Current Wallabies halfback Will Genia said that Gregan’s knowledge and experience was invaluable for the Wallabies.

“He’s probably looking after our attack a little bit more in terms of a general sense rather than specific stuff with the nines,” he said.

“We did some stuff with him today around running lines and stuff like that but it’s just good to have a voice there, someone who’s done it all in the game and achieved everything so just to have someone like that in and around the group particularly from a nine’s perspective just giving you little bits of advice here and there and whatnot is certainly very beneficial.”

According to Gregan he isn’t trying to over complicate his coaching, or reinvent the wheel.

“It’s just basics, there’s no rocket science to it, just making sure they’re practising good habits and they’re available,” he said.

“A halfback’s always got to have his bread and butter, also got to be a running threat, particularly in the modern game, and just working on those things which enable them to do both those jobs.”

“IF IT BLEEDS WE CAN KILL IT”

Jeronimo De La Fuente grubbers for his winger.

Jeronimo De La Fuente grubbers for his winger.

Not the exact quote used by former Argentinian captain Augustin Creevy, but just like Arnie hunting the Predator, the Jaguares believe they can beat the Crusaders.

“It’s not impossible,” said the international hooker.

“We came here to win, not to see what happens. We have what it takes to do that and we know how.

“The Crusaders are the best team in the tournament and have shown that but there is no such thing as impossible in sport, nor in a final where the mental side of the game and pressure are at work.

“Beyond the attributes of each side, the difference will be in the head. We know it’ll be difficult, but we are confident and we know what to expect.”

In just their fourth season in the competition, the Jags have made their first Super Rugby final, something that has surprised even Creevy, despite the Jags actually being Los Pumas.

“Maybe I thought we were going to take a little longer to get there and that’s why I’m very grateful to be part of this great moment,” he said.

“We got here because we have matured in every way. Before we would go out on the field and just see what happened but now we know we can win every match.”

Creevy has played 83 times for his country, and lost 14 times to the All Blacks, with a win in New Zealand building a strong platform for Argentina a head of their World Cup campaign.

“We have to play against Crusaders in Christchurch and that’s a dream, because they are a team with a lot of history just like this city. It will be a very important challenge for us,”

READ THE FINE PRINT

cippers and joc

It appears that given recent events and his history of antics, Rugby Australia and QRU are looking to add a clause to James O’Connors contract, a Good Boy clause if you will.

According to the SMH, negotiations between JOCs people and the QRU have stalled after Queensland pushed for the clause, to avoid a repeat of the Karmichael Hunt and James Slipper situation, paying their contracts at other clubs.

O’Connor hasn’t acted out publicly for over two years, when he was arrested in Paris on cocaine charges, though his history of poor behaviour is cause for concern.

O’Connor hasn’t played for the Wallabies since 2013, when he was escorted off the plane drunk in Perth after a Wallabies match.

The Sale Sharks released JOC from his contract on Tuesday, wishing him well after his 31 appearances for the club.

Australian Rugby appear committed to acquiring O’Connors services, so long as he plays ball and doesn’t act out.

This is not the first time that the standard playing contract has been amended to include a behaviour clause, with the Waratahs adding something similar to Karmichael Hunt’s contract given his history in Queensland. 

Rugby Australia will be looking to avoid their current predicament should O’Connor revert back to his early 20s.

 

THE MAN WHO SAID NO

Israel Folau scores despite the tackle of Liam Squire

Not many players would turn down the opportunity to play for their country, let alone the All Blacks in a World Cup year. 

But that is exactly what Highlanders back rower Liam Squire has done. He becomes the first player since Brad Thorn to turned down the Black jersey.

the 28 year old has 23 test caps to his name but after a rocky 2019 Super season, mixed with injury and personal issues, Squire told Steve Hansen he wasn’t ready for test rugby this year, despite being a front runner for the match day 23.

“Liam has made himself unavailable,” Hansen said.

“He doesn’t think he’s ready to play international rugby yet which I think is a heck of a brave decision and a good decision for him to make.

“I think it’s massive,”

“We’ve got to appreciate the guy has made a really tough call.

“I would have picked him if he’d been available, but he’s not, so it’s like an injury, and you’ve just got to move on.”

“Brad said he wasn’t available for other reasons, but there are similarities.

“It’s always a big decision in any team to say ‘hey, I don’t think I’m ready to go.’

“You’ve got to respect that.”

The All Blacks won’t be hurting for choice at No.6 though, with Jackson Hemopo, Vaea Fifita, Shannon Frizell, Luke Jacobson and Dalton Papalii all putting their hands up for a shot.

There may still be a shot for Squire to return for the World Cup, in a similar way that Scott Barrett and Ryan Crotty will be hoping to make it back from injury in time.

Hansen also explained how his conversation with Squire unfolded.

“It went like this: ‘G’day Liam, how’s it going?’

“‘Good Steven, how are you?’

“‘Not too bad.’

“He said ‘mate, I don’t think I’m ready to play international football.’

“I said ‘OK.’

“We had a bit of a chat about that which I won’t repeat, and at the end we agreed.

“I said that’s a pretty courageous conversation we’ve had, well done, let’s get back on the park and play some footy and we’ll make a decision from there.”

 

  • Tomthusiasm

    Go the Jags, from a salty Canes fan

    • Kiwi rugby lover

      No way! Hate losing to the Crusaders but would prefer a NZ team winning. Go the Saders!

      • Tomthusiasm

        I just don’t want to see that prick break dancing ever again, unless he becomes the AB coach of course!

        • Mica

          Isn’t he also in the position of winning every Super Rugby comp that he’s coached??
          Wow!!

        • Tomthusiasm

          He’s bloody Goldfinger, he’s won ITM cup and U20 titles as well

        • Alister Smith

          If we get him as Wallabies coach I would supply him with a sheet of cardboard myself- does Rennie breakdance or anything?

        • Hoss

          No but he is bad-ass on the juggle and his ventriloquist skills are sublime.

      • From NooZealand

        Yeap! any NZ team, especially from the Canes to the Landers.

    • Ian

      Go Jags, from every (non-Christchurch) rugby lover on the planet.

      • Kiwi rugby lover

        Nope not this Hurricanes fan. Go the Saders

    • Where I moved to, the bus into town (or toon as I should learn to say it) is called (I kid you not) The Crusader. I’m taking it as an omen.

      But, much as I begrudgingly admire the sheer skill of the Saders, I wouldn’t mind the Jags pulling off an upset win. These are the two class sides of the tournament and it ought to be a belter.

      My head says Saders. My heart says Saders, just because if feels they’re a better side and that hat-trick is special. Also because rugby is so important in NZ and I can’t help feeling it would mean a lot in Christchurch this year after the attack – from the other side of the world it’s hard to tell, but that’s how it feels from what I’m hearing. But a little bit of me hopes that the Jags can pull it off. I will be watching just for the spectacle.

  • Alister Smith

    I think Genia could get a lot from Gregan’s involvement. Gregan had a poor form patch for the Wallabies where he seemed to lose his mojo but he was able to come back to finish his career well. Genia’s loss of form for the Rebels in the last few games looks similar however he does have at least one bloke chomping at his heels in Joe Powell that should keep him focused.

    • Hoss

      To much ‘me’ in Sanchez these days mate. Wouldn’t hurt to lower him down the pecking order behind White and light a fire.

      • Yowie

        “We now cross live to Anthony Mundine for his thoughts on that selection recommendation…”

        • Hoss

          Re reading my original bit there i have just described the latest Muswellbrook & Regions Monthly KKK Meeting Agenda.

        • Yowie
        • Keith Butler

          Classic.

        • Alister Smith

          I was getting more of a Mississippi Burning feels than Fr Ted.

        • Alister Smith

          I think he would put himself in the squad

        • Yowie

          At 43, not too old for top-level Rugby League (just ask him), so why not test rugby?

      • Alister Smith

        I had forgotten about White – Genia will have to earn his place

    • idiot savant

      Gregan played 3 years too long. He was so rooted in his last couple of years he had smoko at every ruck before he cleared the ball.

  • Yowie

    I also refuse to play for the All Blacks.

    • Kiwi rugby lover

      I’d play in a heart beat. I’d be crap, but I’d play

      • Yowie

        You might be underestimating the weight and duration of NZ public scorn if you lost the ABs a game.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Hahahaha nah! I’d lap it up

        • Greg

          What are you like at 10 KRL? I hear we are looking at options.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Shit! I was a pretty good club level 7 but that’s about all

        • Greg

          Provided you can’t tackle…. it looks like you are the man then! I will look up the Cheikmeisters #!

      • Missing Link

        so would I, but I don’t think I’d be in with a chance considering their “no dickheads” policy

  • pem890

    Assume you mean act up ? whilst out ? act out is a little ambiguous..

  • Hoss

    Guten Tag Heir Rugby Lovers,

    Been away from the keyboard this week, living as a single parent while Mrs Hoss visits the metropolis that is Tieri – talk about BFI West ! Its the morning school run that’s the hardest and then you get there and witness the playground antics, the blossoming romances, the anxiety, the need to fit in, the cliques, the neurosis and all the noise and don’t get me fucking started on the children – arrive at work needing a stiff drink.

    Exciting day for Wallaby Fans. First RC squad gets announced and dare i say it will be equal measure RWC trial squad and actual side. As much as winning form is imperative leading into Kill Bill there’s still uncertainty in the loosies 6 & 8 seem undecided. A lot of informed judges dont have Naisarini in their teams, some have Valentini and some have the Tah’s own Sour Mash. 10 is a dogs breakfast and with the arrival of JOC back to Oz ball 15 is wide open again.

    Good to see the decision to pick Steve Larkham II was decided on after ‘early season form’ by Segall and Co. Sounds about right, why would consistency over a season play any part in selections, it hasnt before and would set a dangerous precedent.

    But all-in-all, i am still excited. test footy is back, arguments over who’s in and out take precedence over the other stuff in the ether. I have tickets to the FISMS test match at Suncorp, catching up with some GAGR royalty in Briz and the Mayor of Launceston Mr Butler and cant wait.

    It’s on – go you good things

    • Who?

      Hope you didn’t pay too much for the FISM tix – got an offer yesterday for $10/kid and $30/adult yesterday… Can’t remember ever seeing such a bargain basement price.

      • Hoss

        Briz got the ‘insider deal’ mate.

        Pre-game meet & greet with Wallies, complimentary physio after the game and some ‘face time’ with Spanners so i can sort a few things with him – also to get his approval for ‘Spanners Drink Bingo’ a game i am releasing during RWC.

        Every time he hits the posts, drops a ball, does a forward pass, fails to fund touch or misses a tackle you knock back a shot of Sour Mash. Given the frequency of above events the kit also comes with a stomach pump, defrib , first aid instructions and 4 litres of coffee.

        • Who?

          So you’re hoping that Spanners gets picked then? It’d be disappointing to have such a meet and greet organized, only to find the player’s not selected.
          .
          And clearly your drink bingo game is sponsored by Sour Mash. They’re gonna make a fortune!

        • Hoss

          Unfortunately a realist mate. I dont know that Lilo or The Sunshine Band did enough to unseat Spanners (sigh)

          ‘Hope’ only exists in cosmetics and religion mate

        • Greg

          Please don’t start again on religion
          I don’t think I have it in me to have another day of that discussion.

        • Hoss

          Yep. ‘Once upon a midnight dreary, while I pondered, weak and weary’

        • NSWelsham in London

          the more i look at the squad the more it excites me as the final 23 is like you said, probably the best squad in many years, adding in some of the beasts who are injured and bingo, great team. What worries me though is the 10. Such an integral position… Also, will Cheika actually select the best team or go with the old….. im positive either way, just hope the lads pulling on the jersey have that same confidence in themselves and more importantly pride in the jersey to not let the public down…. dont mind if we lose a couple of RC games by a close margin if they come off the field giving their absolute all in a complete team performance (and also visibly look annoyed they lost)… time will tell…..

        • Funk

          Has spanners done enough to keep his seat?? my vote is in the “no” column.

        • Hoss

          Mate, i think its the opposite. The contenders didn’t do enough to remove him and the opportunity was sure-as-shit there to do so.

        • Funk

          Without a doubt it was there for the taking, Foley has done sweet FA this year, there was one game against the Rebs where he played ok, apart from that bugger all. I think Hegarty when we was at flyhalf for the Reds was about the best of a very sorry bunch, although QC at the beginning of the season was playing well.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          I agree with Hegarty but the lack of a succession plan has killed his chances

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Mate I agree with that 100%. No he shouldn’t be there but no one did enough to remove him

        • Who?

          I’m not sure I agree with that. Cooper and Leali’ifano were miles clear of him on the team of the week listings here. Let’s be honest, Schnoz said before the season he didn’t want his 10 defending at fullback (in response to a question about Cooper), then he’s gone and picked the 10 who most consistently defended in the backfield. Both Mandrake and Schnoz said they’d ask questions, but give Cheika his team. This is Cheika’s team.

        • Hoss

          No doubt some ground conceded by Schnozz & Mandrake in the overall squad, but again over the season no one at 10 demanded they be picked over Spanners to start. They all had moments, but no one has stood up and demanded that ’10 is mine’.

          Where a fickle bunch here, but i love that there’s no Hannigan, no Bovine Sprinkler – i take that as an indicator there was a degree of ‘no Michael’ in the selection room and we all win from that.

          Plus – add in Brian (a shoe in), Coleman (he’s not in my 31), Samu (borderline depending on how the ‘incumbents’ of Dempsey, Jones, Valentini & Naisarini go). Pataia (in my 31), JOC (in my 31) and TAF – not in my 31 all go the final 31 looks stong. Crystal ball stuff – cut from my RWC 31 based on current 34 & 5 to come back

          Cut

          – Robertson
          – Hodge
          – Either of Wright / Valentini
          – Jones
          – Two-Dads
          – Maddocks
          – Koribete (reckon we will play three fullbacks, with two as wingers)
          – TBA

          That’s 32 with one to be cut.

        • Who?

          No Hanigan, you’re probably right. White, I’m not sure. Maybe that’s Mandrake, it could easily be claimed by Cheika. I think Cheik loves Phipps, but has been looking for more for a while.
          .
          I really don’t have much confidence that Spanners can do anything with the potentially Rolls Royce backline he’s going to have outside him.
          .
          I’m not sure that Hodge or Koro will be cut. I think Koro’s had a place locked in for a couple of years now. Hodge, only JOC could displace him. I really hope that we’re not relying on AAC for the RWC. I’d have more confidence in Nonu for the ABs than AAC for the Wallabies. Though I’ll admit Petaia at 13 in a RWC is also a big ask (given he’s a kid, and not a Wallaby yet).

        • Hoss

          I think we have potentially the strongest Wallaby squad of last 5 years – but…………………….it all revolves around 10 and a 10 that defends that channel as well, so that leaves Toomua (hasnt shown much since his return) or Lilo (can go missing a bit) as my preferred options. Just wish i could say with 100% surety that player X is THE man for 10. Maybe it will become clearer over next 3 weeks.

        • Who?

          I’d be a bit more confident with Leali’ifano than Foley. When was the last time Foley played successfully with a crashballing 12..? Whereas Simone’s not completely unlike Kerevi.
          I’d also be more confident with Cooper. And he defended his channel this year, mostly successfully.
          Toomua, I’ve always wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt. But there’s so little time here… No time for anyone to be dropped in and given time to work things out – they’ve got to be ready to go from day dot.

        • Hoss

          The Cooper ship would appeared to have sailed mate. I agree with anyone bar Spanners in the side. The more ive looked across the squad today and some fine tuning of others to come we have genuine depth and a solid squad. It just has a nice solidity to it and i am pumped.

        • Who?

          I know. But Leali’ifano and Cooper were the best options. Instead we went with Foley (who doesn’t know how to run the excellent backline we have), and Toomua (who could be a great 10, but hasn’t had time in the position). I know Leali’ifano’s in the squad, but that’s one of three options being a good one. It’s poor selection.
          .
          I agree the squad’s pretty good. I’m concerned about our lack of experience in the loose forwards. We could’ve gone Philip over Valentini (given he’s young, and we don’t want to injure him yet again). But the majority of the squad’s very good.
          .
          That said… That’s not necessarily a credit to the selectors – we’ve got some pretty obvious talent this year, you’d be doing well to pick a poor squad this year. And our squads aren’t always terrible – it’s always just a Hanigan here, a Phipps there…

        • Brumby Runner

          Hoss, I have to disagree about Lealiifano going missing. He was the standout No 10 by the end of the season, and I think his involvement in all games was top notch.

          I also think he would be the best inside man, distributor for the likes of a centre pairing of Kerevi and Kuridrani.

        • Hoss

          Would expect nothing less my one-eyes Wild Colonial Boy. I am no Spanners fan, but I thought it was a low tide mark from all the potential 10’s when it was screaming out for someone to slam the door shut. Having said that with White at 9 and a heap of Ponies up front I am certainly not gonna whinge about Lilo at 10. Combinations will only make us stronger.

        • While I’m inclined to agree no one stepped up and slammed the stable door on this, to mix my metaphors, both Quade and Lilo were better over the season overall, and at chunks of it far better, than Foley ever was. I don’t think Hegarty got the time to write his name into contention, although he might actually have deserved it if he’d been given a proper run – I didn’t see enough of him to say that but I’m willing to take it under advisement. Toomua I can see you keeping in the squad to warm the bench – he’s unlikely to start, except maybe against a weaker side to get his time in, but he’s decent cover for a number of positions whether you go 5-3 or 6-2 he’s a good utility back.

          There’s an argument about picking a 10 to implement the attack plan. But outside that, I can’t help but feel they sent the wrong 10 home. Lilo and Quade as your main 10’s, 2Cows as your utility reserve. Spanners, here’s your ticket to Japan, for club rugby!

        • Hoss

          Evening EP.

          I agree with all above and I am not for a second advocating for Spanners to start and trying to remain objective. I use the Ponies front row as an example 4 guys absolutely demanding selection through quality and quantity of their performances, they had a ‘body of work’ that was simply irresistible in my humble opinion no 10 in Oz had the same body of work. That’s not to say there weren’t flashes and individual moments, just (IMO) no one nailing it down.

        • I can agree with all of that.

          I wonder how much of that is down to the teams’ performances? 10 wins, then 7, then two on 6 from 18 matches. Imagine we swapped the hopefuls out and dropped them into the rest of the Crusaders, the Canes, the Jags, the Bulls, the Landers (Ok, there were a lot of draws that saw the Landers through). Forget the impact on those sides, would that have made a real difference to the 10’s do you think?

          Because while the pivots are important for a side, they rely on their team too, they need fast ball, they need the outside backs (well maybe not Lilo) and so on. As the Rebels season fell apart, so did Quade’s challenge, although as GTQR keeps pointing out, his personal stats didn’t really dip. Lilo looked poor against the Jags last weekend – you might even get BL to admit that – but what 10 looks good when you lose was it the first five line outs and you’re down 0-20 in the first 20 minutes before you’ve really touched the ball?

          I’m not saying they shouldn’t have stepped out and kicked Spanners into the long grass when they had the chance. Removed him from the AssClown’s toolkit permanently. But I think the, honestly, mediocre form of the Aussie SR sides hasn’t helped their cases.

        • Who?

          Christian gave up two tries with poor kicks last weekend against the Jaguares. But I’m willing to live with those kicks. I don’t mark him down for them. The first one was an attacking kick, chasing the game. It was poor execution of a good option. I don’t like marking down players for having a go in attack. The second kick was a poorer option – a chip kick inside his own 22 – but the game was completely gone, and again it was an attacking mindset. It was high risk in terms of location and outcomes, but even in the worst case scenario – which the Jags converted it into being – it didn’t cost them the game.
          .
          Cooper had similar against the Chiefs. In the first half, the first two tries were off his kicks. The first one was a poorly chased kick (it looked like a very programmed move, the chase just didn’t find the ball), the second one was more like Christian’s first one – a poorly executed kick chasing genuine opportunity whilst chasing the game. Again, attacking options that didn’t come off. None of the four kicks from Cooper or Christian were the highest percentage option, but I’d rather concede points whilst looking to score points than die wondering.
          .
          We’re not going to win the RWC unless we score points, and I just don’t have confidence that the bloke who required extra playmaking at 12, or at 12 and 15 (either Beale, Beale and Folau (led the comp for offloads), Hunt and Folau, or Hunt and Beale) outside him all season is going to be better suited to unlocking the Kerevidrani centre combination as well as two guys who have played with 12’s more like Kerevi all season (Cooper and Leali’ifano, with Meakes and Simone respectively, who can both pass, but don’t demand the ball and run the backline like Beale does).
          .
          I’d also flag combinations, but White will be an interesting one there… He’s got history with Christian, but it’s ancient. That said, Will and Quade hadn’t played together for years before this season, and they clicked back into gear like it’d only been yesterday. Foley and White don’t have much history.

        • Hoss

          You may want to buy a few bottles of Jim Beam this morning, as an investment after that fire – i wept, oh the humanity.

        • Keith Butler

          Inhumanity surely.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          That’s gold

        • Keith Butler

          In that case I’ll get my boy to set you up with a drip feed to a barrel of your favourite.

        • Brisneyland Local

          Pure gold. How about we try that at the game in Brissy!

        • Hoss

          Hip flask already purchased and packed.

        • Brisneyland Local

          Sweet. At least you and I have some serious body mass. I think we are going to need it.

        • Keith Butler

          Better make it a large one.

        • Keith Butler

          I feel a hangover coming on.

        • Alister Smith

          Won’t be too many bingo players remembering anything after the first 10 minutes

    • Brisneyland Local

      GAGR royalty. Fuck me you have made my day. I am going home now to bed, because I want the day to end on this high! Because I know staying at work it is just going to get ruined.

      • Hoss
        • Yowie

          “We made a bit of a pact that what goes on in the selectors’ room, stays in the selectors’ room.”

          Who do you reckon got put in a headlock?

        • Hoss

          No Hannigan, No Bovine Sprinkler – it was a Mandrake & Schnozz ambush.

          Factor in 5 to come back to wider squad – Brian, Coleman, Samu, Pataia & JOC that makes 39 and only 31 to go to Nippon – its gettin interesting.

          I like the mix, but 10 has me nervous – maybe Toomua as the saviour and Lilo on the pine

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Not sure Toomua is a saviour. I’d still back Hegarty

        • Geoffro

          I’m really hoping you’re right re Petaia and JOC.(and that they’re fit and in firm)I dont even like to think about a couple backs going down and having the likes of AAC , Hodge, n’ DHP trying to bring home the bacon.More faith in myself trying to catch Winkz down the R/wick straight than those flyers facing up to some of the current opposition.

    • Keith Butler

      Even as a Soap Dodger with Aussie connections i’m looking forward to seeing the squad. I reckon a few of the Usual Suspects will still be there. FISMS not far away and we’re raring to go. If you want royalty i’ll Have to promote ourselves to the Duke and Duchess of Newstead. Also raising a glass of Woodford Reserve commiserating on the tragic loss in Kentucky.

      • Mica

        Meh It’s Jim Beam – not like that’s a real whisky.
        Pretty close to the spirits that get put in lamps to burn anyway, so no harm done….. :)

        • Keith Butler

          Company’s produce different quality products. JB produces bourbon at $100 a bottle hardly lighter fuel.

        • Missing Link

          hey what’s your problem with drinking brain varnish? :)

    • IIPA

      Well Hoss and all it’s up

      https://wallabies.rugby/news/2019/07/03/wallabies-2019-rugby-championship-squad

      Not sure it makes very pretty reading. In fact it doesn’t at all.

      Hurting for Philip, most hookers not named Tolu Latu, young scrum halves, McCaffrey.

      I guess the proof will be when this is whittled down to 23. It might look a quite different Wallabies team or it most certainly might not

      • Hoss

        Thanks mate – just perusing now.

        I think its a squad for the Saffa & maybe the FISM’s test only – as i read it

        OUT

        – QC – fair enough
        – Naivallu – need some speed out wide and he is classy
        – Pulu – same as Naivalu
        – Phipps – fair enough
        – Speight – he finished strong
        – Hannigan
        – Samu – big call
        – McCaffrey – i reckon he played himself out over last 4-5 rounds

        IN

        – Latu – i can see the logic but understand it wont be popular
        – Two Dads – really
        – Maddocks – hmmm

        Assuming:

        – Poey – injured
        – Coleman – injured (having said that IMO he dont deserve a spot as yet)
        – Samu injured

        I think a few names will play later RC games – too be honest its about what i expected.

  • Kiwi rugby lover

    Thanks Dylan,

    I hope JOC is sorted as his talent is awesome and I’d love to see it on the field again going well. I’m a bit of a pessimist with people and their behaviour and with the influence of Beale and possibly AAC I just hope he doesn’t revert.

    Looking forward to the final this weekend. I’m sure the game could go either way but I’m picking the experience of the Crusaders will come through. Great to see the Jags do so well but not sure they’ve got the next step in the, I guess we’ll find out Saturday.

    Pretty gutsy call by Squire. I think it’s the right call too. No one is bigger than the team and he knows what he needs to do. Pulling out now and working hard for RWC selection is probably the right move.

    • Crescent

      I also hope JOC is sorted. I think a greater threat than the behaviour coming from the former amigos, is the propensity of Aus Rugby to unglove the sex fingers. He will come back in good touch, with decent handling skills and the all the fundamentals sorted, and our “coaching” will reinstate the flippers for hands over the course of a season and drag him back to sub-par. Beale came back from Wasps in great form, but managed to regress pretty smartly to fit right back in. The less I have to say about AAC, the better. Really enjoyed his form back in the day, but that day has passed by. Time to head t o Japan or give it away – shouldn’t be anywhere near a Wallabies jersey.

    • Dud Roodt

      Could you tell me what the situation with AAC is and why he’s considered such a bad influence on others by some on here?
      The only incidents I know of with him regarding something close to bad behaviour is the Dublin night (but he was amongst at least 10 – 15 others that night (including those who walk on GAGR water Scott Fardy and Liam Gill), and then the “incident” last year where he had his sister-in-law and a friend in his room with KB.
      Hardly worthy of copping a bad rep considering his otherwise exemplary behaviour for the rest of his near 15 year career in the gold jersey.

      • Hoss

        I’ve had a few ‘sister-in-laws’ to my room over the years mate. 2 minutes, $200 and a 2 month rash later…..

        • From NooZealand

          LOL, very L – I had to explain to the rest of the family the reason.

      • Kiwi rugby lover

        No more than those for me but that’s enough. Tbh it was last year that did it for me. Comes into the team at a time I felt wasn’t deserved and the first thing he does is break the rules as though they don’t apply to him. I’m not very forgiving on that

        • Dud Roodt

          Wow, you’re a hard task master KRL! I’d hate to know your thoughts on Aaron Smith!

        • Yowie

          No wonder KRL’s stepson looks so miserable all the time.

        • Hoss

          I heard the poor old guide dog was horrified with what Smith was doing to its owner.

          Labradors can only take so much.

        • Yowie

          That’s a bit ruff…

        • Hoss

          ‘Whats that Lassie ? Your owners being schupted by a current yappy Nearlies Number 9 in the water closet near Gate 46 – show us girl, show us’

        • Yowie

          Was that from the short-lived “Lassie Up Late” R-rated spinoff series?

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Was a cock who did a dumb thing but learnt from it and moved on. I’ve seen nothing to show that AAC or Beale have any remorse for their actions. Big difference

        • Dud Roodt

          I think what Smith did was miles worse than anything AAC has ever been accused of. Not to mention that after the fact trying to get someone to lie in a legal document! That didn’t seem very contrite.
          Compare that to going out a bit late with half your squad and having your sister-in-law in your hotel room after a game. me thinks you’re holding Wallabies to higher standards than your All Blacks my friend.

  • Nutta

    I don’t know the story of Liam, but full balls to the guy for the emotional maturity that sort of call must take. If it aint on it aint on.

    Interesting to align that against our situation with Brand. Given the history, and if he is truly committed to a new start, then a good boy clause is the least he could expect.

    Can the Jags win? Of course they can. That’s why it’s called ‘gambling’.

    Greegs in camp about nothing specific – that sounds quite true about lots of things in Oz rugby these days. Lots of people interfering and getting paid in lots of stuff but no one actually accountable for anything directly.

    • Missing Link

      I can fully empathise with Liam Squire, as I too do not feel I’m ready to play for the All Blacks

    • According to the NZ press he called Hansen and said he’s not match fit for the AB and won’t be in time for the RWC and they shouldn’t consider him for selection.

      That seems pretty likely given how much time he’s missed and how much of a step up the ABs have from their SR. Ardie Savea, for example, looked like he ought to be a cinch at test level given his SR form before he was picked and it took him 2 years to get up to full fitness at test level, according to both him and Hansen. And it really shows when you look at him at SR level this season where he’s just been a machine. Squire’s been back for was it 2 games?

      All that stuff you hear about their players trying to leave the jersey better than when they take it really rings true when you hear stuff like this. He knew he wasn’t there, and even though he just might not make it for the next one, kudos to him.

  • Keith Butler

    Some sympathy for Hoss today folks as he’s suffered a tragic loss. 45000 barrels of Kentucky’s finest have gone to meet their maker Mr Jim Beam.

  • A Dingo Stole My Rugby

    Jeez. Latu. And Ashley-Cooper. And that’s just at first glance.

    Did Johnson and Snoz skip the selection meeting?

    At least there’s no Hanigan or Phipps. Small mercies.

    Matt Philp should immediately ask his manager to find him another overseas gig – he couldn’t have done more, and it seems he’s in the same “tease but don’t select” basket as QC and Higgers.

    • Who?

      But Cheika’s long been a big advocate for Cooper!!!! :-P
      .
      As if anyone in the country ever believed the drivel that came out of RA’s press office through Fox and the SMH…….
      .
      I can’t ever recall seeing such an inexperienced squad of backrowers picked in a RWC year. It’s not uncommon to have a young winger or two, but literally half the loose forwards selected are up for their debut. Another one hasn’t worn Gold in four years. And the fifth hasn’t really shown anything through the Super season – struggled to even make the team by the end of the season. Hooper’s the only experienced hand in there.

  • Nicholas Wasiliev

    Ladies and Gents, we have a Wallabies squad for the Rugby Championship:

    Forwards:
    Allan Alaalatoa (32 Tests, Brumbies, 25)
    Rory Arnold (19 Tests , Brumbies, 29)
    Jack Dempsey (10 Tests, NSW Waratahs, 25)
    Folau Fainga’a (7 Tests, Brumbies, 24)
    Michael Hooper (c) (91 Tests, NSW Waratahs, 27)
    Luke Jones (3 Tests, Melbourne Rebels, 28)
    Sekope Kepu (103 Tests, NSW Waratahs, 33)
    Tolu Latu (12 Tests, NSW Waratahs, 26)
    Isi Naisarani (uncapped, Melbourne Rebels, 24)
    Tom Robertson (24 Tests, NSW Waratahs, 24)
    Izack Rodda (17 Tests, Queensland Reds, 22)
    Rob Simmons (94 Tests, NSW Waratahs, 30)
    Lukhan Salakaia-Loto (11, Queensland Reds, 22)
    Scott Sio (55 Tests, Brumbies, 27)
    James Slipper (86 Tests, Brumbies, 30)
    Taniela Tupou (11 Tests, Queensland Reds, 23)
    Jordan Uelese (2 Tests, Melbourne Rebels, 22)
    Rob Valetini (uncapped, Brumbies, 20)
    Liam Wright (uncapped, Queensland Reds, 21)

    Backs:
    Adam Ashley-Cooper (117 Tests, NSW Waratahs, 35)
    Tom Banks (3 Tests, Brumbies, 25)
    Kurtley Beale (83 Tests, NSW Waratahs, 30)
    Bernard Foley (68 Tests, NSW Waratahs, 29)
    Will Genia (100 Tests, Melbourne Rebels, 31)
    Dane Haylett-Petty (31 Tests, Melbourne Rebels, 30)
    Reece Hodge (33 Tests, Melbourne Rebels, 24)
    Samu Kerevi (25 Tests, Queensland Reds, 25)
    Marika Koroibete (20 Tests, Melbourne Rebels, 26)
    Tevita Kuridrani (58 Tests, Brumbies, 28)
    Christian Lealiifano (19 Tests, Brumbies, 31)
    Jack Maddocks (7 Tests, Melbourne Rebels, 22)
    Joe Powell (4 Tests, Brumbies, 25)
    Matt Toomua (42 Tests, Melbourne Rebels, 29)
    Nic White (22 Tests, Exeter Chiefs, 29)

    • Keith Butler

      Mushroom cloud just spotted over Brissie when BL saw Latu in the squad.

      • Brisneyland Local

        Mushroom cloud over Sydney. Dont get home till the weekend.

        • Happyman

          I will blow up for you BL FFS Tolu Fucking Latu.
          Words escape me

        • Brisneyland Local

          I see a Red card in the first half. The Saffa’s will target him and niggle and niggle till the dumb shit blows his cork!

        • Hoss

          I put forth his new nickname as ‘The Delitologist’ – someone who collects cards.

        • Brisneyland Local

          Fucking Gold.

        • UTG

          It’s not like he’ll be starting, probably won’t even make the team…

          He’s the only other test quality hooker we have to include in the squad right now.

        • Brisneyland Local

          Till he gets sin binned then we are stuffed. Not worth the risk. Would take Uelese and Palestine.

        • Alister Smith

          Prepared to be whacked here and probably deservedly but if there is a chance that Pocock doesn’t play Latu is one of the few other players who works well over the ball. I fully agree that he is high risk and he doesn’t deserve the chance given off fielld behaviour and lack of disclipline.

        • Brisneyland Local

          Alister, don’t get me wrong. When TL is playing and isnt giving away cards he is an aggressive player. Great at jackling for a Hooker, good at the clean out work. His skills as a player arent in question, well for me anyway. It is his judgement.We cant afford the cards.
          IRT his off field shit. Shouldnt be in the squad at all. but then again neither should Beale.

        • Alister Smith

          Fully agree really….just worried about who cetches with no Pocock

        • Brisneyland Local

          For the Saffa game that is a problem. I am pretty sire we will see pocock back.

        • Greg

          Scrums coasts to a halt with hooks asleep at the wheel?

        • Brisneyland Local

          Pure gold.

      • Max Graham

        Nah mate. It will be Genia and Foley.

        • Keith Butler

          I was dreaming.

        • Max Graham

          Really? My dream has Margot Robbie playing hooker.

        • Dud Roodt

          Pretty Woman or Keith Wood style?

        • Max Graham

          Whatever the hell she wants.

    • Brumby Jack

      Unlucky for McCaffrey, I think he deserves spot over Wright and Valentini (This isn’t the time to bring in development players). Fitzpatrick over Latu. Mixed feelings over Simmons, AAC and Toomua. Would have liked to see Quade and O’Connor if only for the intrigue.

      • Mica

        Any of the starting hookers over Latu!
        Attitude and discipline are king and he fails on both fronts.

      • In a post I got some abuse for, I said I’d take McCaffery over Hooper because he does what a 7 should, but he wouldn’t make my squad. I’m not surprised to see Wright and Valentini there tbh.

        I didn’t see the whole season, as you probably know, but the bits I did see, I’d say Wright then Valentini, then McCaffrey, then Hooper would be my pecking order at 7. I’d put Poey at the top of that list if he’s fit of course.

        Others will disagree, some violently. The little cabal of us that don’t rate Hooper might think that order is wrong. Those that get hypnotised by golden boy running all day long will scream and shout. But that would be my list in order.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Mate I’m with you. I don’t rate Hooper at all. A real energiser bunny who runs everywhere and achieves nothing.

        • Max Graham

          I think he topped the tackle count for the season. Again.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          That just shows how piss poor the statistics are mate. Like they say; Lies, damn lies and statistics

        • Max Graham

          Yeah. That explains it. The pro-Hooper conspiracy runs deep within SANZAR. Why wouldn’t the doctoring of player stats be the first step of the cunnung ihooperlati? More impressive is their manipulation of the vote count for his multiple John Eales medals and numerous man of the match awards. But they are insidious and it appears nothing can escape their reach.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Mate not unhappy that we disagree and happy that you and so many over here love him. Most underwhelming captain the Wallabies have ever had and part of why they’re now 6 in the world rankings

        • Max Graham

          I don’t love Hooper – looks like a prat and agree that he’s a poor captain. But he’s an outstanding player who always gives 100% and anyone who doesn’t think so needs their head read.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Mate I’m not saying he doesn’t give 100%. He absolutely does. The difference is I don’t see his 100% as being effective on the field. He doesn’t pilfer much, he doesn’t hit the ball up much, his tackles are weak and he doesn’t link. Happy that you and others love him but I just don’t

        • Max Graham

          He made the most tackles in the entire comp. In second place was daylight.

        • Max Graham

          Hooper is one of the first blokes picked. You could certainly argue Pocock is the best 7 in the country, but there is no one close to taking his spot in the backrow. He’s million miles ahead of the next best who are in Japan and France waiting him out. I like McCaffery a lot, but he’s not in the top 3 back-rowers at his own club. You and your cabal of Hooper haters might as well spend your time talking about literally anything else.

    • Greg

      I still think Cooper deserves one more run. If not in TRC then I guess never.

    • Max Graham

      Not bad. I still don’t get this thing people have for Hodge…..
      No Phipps is a sign that the new selection regime may not be as susceptible to whatever blackmail he’s been using in the past.
      Latu is in to fire up the wowsers who want a winning Wallabies team that only comprises virgin tea drinkers that exclusively use public transport and solar power.

      • Keith Butler

        High altitude big boot can be the only reason.

      • The Jackal

        Hodge will drop out for Petaia or O’Connor if he is as good as he once was. Jack of all trades and master of none doesn’t really have a place in a Test team

  • The Jackal

    By my maths that makes it
    Reds – 5
    Brumbies – 10
    Waratahs – 9
    Rebels – 9
    Other – 1

    Good the Brumbies have the most but concerning still that the Rebs & Tahs get so much representation.

    And a breakdown of positions of the squad. Need to cut 3 people for the World Cup with the likes of Pocock, Samu, Petaia, O’Connor to potentially come in.

    Can see the independent selectors wielding some power already with some usual suspects omitted.

    Props
    Slipper
    Sio
    Kepu
    Ala’alatoa
    Robertson
    Tupou

    Hookers
    Uelese
    Latu
    Fainga’a

    Locks
    Salakaia-Loto
    Arnold
    Simmons
    Rodda

    Back row
    Hooper
    Valetini
    Naisarani
    Wright
    Jones
    Dempsey

    Half
    Genia
    White
    Powell

    5/8
    Foley
    Leali’ifano

    Centres
    Kerevi
    Kuridrani
    AAC
    To’omua

    Wings
    Koroibete
    Hodge
    Maddocks

    Fullbacks
    DHP
    Beale
    Banks

    • Braveheart81

      Robertson and Wright are probably the two obvious people to get omitted. We’ll only take 5 props and Pocock and/or Samu will come in.

  • Greg

    I wonder if 2M can get an injunction to stop the world cup?

    • From NooZealand

      2M? – I get lost with so many noms de plume.

      • Greg

        two million dollars

  • Happyman

    Tolu fucking Latu are you kidding me.

    • Brisneyland Local

      Concur.

  • Bernie Chan

    Well Krusty has announced the RWC squad…not happy but not surprised at all that he hasn’t picked QC. Good to see Liam Wright get a spot though..

    • Keith Butler

      Mate cut him a little slack. He only played one game for the Rebs as the run on 10.

      • Bernie Chan

        KB…I’m a fan of Matt Toomua but hoping he was just ‘rusty’…we are going to need a couple of ball players in the #10 spot in form if the K-n-K centre combo is to be used to best advantage.
        Hope JOC gets a look in for the RWC once his Super Rugby status is confirmed…best all round back prospect (he was playing well at Sale I read…) we have.

        • Keith Butler

          Mixed messages from the UK about how he went at Leicester. George Ford called him the best 12 he’s played with and i’m assuming that includes Owen Farrell, others have been not so effusive.

  • Looking at the Wallabiessquad for RSA, some surprises – Good and bad. I am trying to work out why Tom Robertson or Nick White are there.

    • Who?

      White because he’s one of the form scrumhalves in the UK. Robbo… Got me beat. :-(

    • Max Graham

      I tried not to rate Robbo but came around – think he’s an excellent player. Like the looks of that two dads too!

  • Hoss

    And the quote from the Chexta re selections that will have every GAGR screaming – ‘no shit Sherlock’

    “There were differing opinions, we were really challenging one another and I think we’ve come up with a better outcome for that than maybe if I’d have picked it by myself.

  • NSWelsham in London

    Im a tahs supporter (hence the name), however, Facebook brings up this photo of the tahs selected for the Wallabies and i cant help but totally disagree with these selections.. We have 9 selected when in reality 4 possibly 5 should be in the team. Dempsey, on form Nope doesn’t cut it. Simmons, he can join but he wouldn’t start..Hooper, always in the squad and will start but we all know that story.. Latu – fucking joke… Kepu again he can play but his form has not been great.. AAC should have retired when on a relative high – he will now be remembered for the wrong things.. Beale yes, to start… dunno. Robertson, on form no, didnt play enough and our propping stocks have been great. Foley….. ?????????????….. can go either way here, do you play Cooper or him, both haven’t done enough but you need to pick someone and Cheika has picked his “iceman”…

    I feel we can make a good starting 15 from the team selected, of course with some weak points, 10 being one… but if Foley or CLL can use our centres clever enough it might nullify their non impact. time will tell, im super pumped for this, bloody love this team and expecting our first child on the 8th October right in time for QF’s so the Wallabies jumpsuit has been purchased and i am ready to introduce this child to hopefully a generation of wins……

    • Hoss

      I hear you mate. Reading between the lines it it weren’t for Mandrake and Schnozz the squad would have also had the Bovine Sprinkler and Flanders in it. Interesting the thinking of taking 34 was to have ‘two sides’ for the Saffa tour, plenty of opposed training I reckon. That’s what he did via the USA before the 15 RWC

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