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Thursdays Rugby News sees Justin Harrison named RUPA CEO, Beale gives an honest reflection, Alex Mafi re-signs, and gender neutral World Cups.


 

FROM PRESIDENT TO CEO

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Former Australian Lock and current Classic Wallabies boss Justin Harrison has been named as the new Rugby Union Players’ Association (RUPA) CEO.

Harrison replaces Prataal Raj who held the position for eight months. Harrison had been the previous front runner for the role of CEO before Raj took the job, pushing Harrison to take the role of Classic Wallabies manager. It was in that position that Harrison has pushed for growth on and off the field and worked tirelessly with the Gold Blooded tour to grow the game in Australia.

The 45 year old, 34 test lock is fondly remembered for his line out steal on debut against the British and Irish Lions had previously served as the RUPA president in 2004-05.

Now Harrison will be the players chief representative as Rugby in Australia begins to face some massive challenges of the future.

“The Australian rugby eco-system is entering pivotal times, and I am excited to be given this opportunity to help shape what is on the horizon for our game,” Harrison said.

“All of us, as Australian rugby’s stakeholders, have a responsibility to drive positive transformation, and to possess the desire to see the code return to the forefront of innovation on a global scale.

“The players have a great opportunity and a key role to play in delivering this change through engagement and real time investment through all levels of the game, and I look forward to representing our great Rugby family on behalf of the men, women, boys and girls who are the past, present and future members of RUPA.”

RUPA Chairman Bruce Hodgkinson AM SC said Harrison would bring a valuable perspective to the players’ association.

“Justin’s contribution to the game in Australia, and the journey which he has been through over the course of more than two decades, provides him with a fantastic perspective on the future of the game here and the role which RUPA will play within it,” he said.

“Justin’s prior experience within RUPA and knowledge gained as a player, coach and administrator within professional Rugby globally for more than 20 years positioned him as the ideal appointment.

“He cares deeply about the code’s success and wants to contribute to the positive direction of Australian rugby. The Classic Wallabies is one of the most respected programs within Australian Rugby at this point in time, and Justin has been a major part of gaining that respect and delivering outstanding outcomes for the greater good of the game.”

Harrison will take over the role in eight weeks after completing his responsibilities with the Classic Wallabies.

BRUTAL HONESTY FROM BEALE

Kurtley Beale 

Kurtley Beale

After a very forgettable night at the office at Eden Park, Wallabies fullback Kurtley Beale knows he will be a target come the World Cup.

Beale was electric in Perth but couldn’t make anything work in New Zealand, coughing up five turnovers and missed several tackles. Many of those mistakes were costly, with the All Blacks scoring points.

Speaking at the Foxtel Rugby World Cup launch, Beale put his hand up to own the poor performance and said he and the team will use the pain and disappointment as a driving force to perform better come World Cup time.

“I know there was a few errors there from myself, with the box kicks and the wet weather footy, forcing passes,” Beale said.

“There are a few little adjustments there that could have happened throughout the game, reflecting on it now.

“Again, as a player you just have to make sure you keep building on those things and make sure that you understand about the mistakes and how that can have an impact on the game.

“I feel like I have a good understanding of that now and along with my teammates I will make sure I keep working hard on those small little errors and make sure that it doesn’t happen again.

“We knew they were going to bring it to us and they certainly did that. It still hurts, the result, but there are a few lessons that we can take from that game and make sure we can keep building on that, throughout the World Cup.”

Looking back on the match it is easy to see how lethal the All Blacks can be with their counter attack game, capitalising on opposition mistakes.

“They just capitalised on those errors and turned them into points, it is as simple as that,” Beale said.

“They’re a very effective team like that and once they get a good lead, as the opposition you tend to internalise and there were times there where we brought ourselves back into the game but probably left it a bit too late to be able to connect and make the most of those opportunities.

“Again they’re all learning curves for us and as players and coaches, we all understand that and we will be working on that over the next few weeks.”

It had been a world-wind of a fortnight for the Wallabies, who after beating the All Black in Perth gained international headlines suggesting the Wallaby powerhouse could be returning, before reality came knock and pushed the Australians back to Earth.

Playing the best team in the world as often as Australia does have its perks but also has a downside according to Beale.

“Over the last two games against the ABs, there is so much that we can take from that and it’s only going to help our confidence,” Beale said.

“Although the result didn’t go our way, again, we are playing the best team in the world and they are certainly giving us the ability to look at the areas we need to work on.

“And then make sure when we get to the World Cup, we have experienced those weaknesses and we are making sure that we don’t put ourselves in that position in the future. It is probably a good thing for us and we will make sure it doesn’t happen again.”

REDS LOCK IN MAFI

Alex Mafi

Alex Mafi

The Queensland Reds have continued their work at re-signing their young talent with hooker Alex Mafi signing a contract extension until 2022.

Mafi had a standout season, replacing Wallaby and starting hooker Brandon Paenga-Amosa, to start in 11 out of 16 matches. He was even included in the wider Wallabies training squad. 

“I’m very happy to secure my future here at the Reds for the next three seasons,” Mafi said.

“Queensland is my home and I am excited to continue playing in front of my family and friends,

“We have a really good bunch of lads in the squad. We’ve all come through the Queensland pathway together,

“We’ve played against and alongside each other now for a good half decade but now is the time for us to start filling up the trophy cabinet.” Mafi said.

Mafi’s extension follows on from recent announcements of the re-signing of Taniela Tupou (until 2023), Tate McDermott (2023), Fraser McReight (2023), Angus Blyth (2023), Liam Wright (2021) and Angus Scott-Young (2021).

Reds Coach Brad Thorn has been really please with the recent re-signings and was wrapped to have Mafi in Queensland for three more seasons.

“Alex really stepped-up for us this season. He performed well and continues to grow with the more experience he gets,” Thorn said.

“It’s important we continue to develop and look after these players who have come through the system for future success in Queensland.”

 

 WORLD RUGBY DROPS GENDER TITLES

Wallaroos pre-game (Credit Keith McInnes)

Warning: Alan Jones Trigger Warning!

World Rugby has taken a gender neutral approach to the Rugby World Cup, with both the Mens and Womens World Cups being simple known as The Rugby World Cup moving forward.

The initiative was announced Wednesday night, and will start with the 2021 Women’s World Cup dropping the Womens from its title. 

This will include both the sevens and XVs game.

The initiative comes follows on from World Rugby’s women’s rugby campaign, dubbed “Try and Stop us”, that featured Rebecca Clough, a Wallaroos veteran.

With World Rugby committed to developing the game among women, World Rugby chairman Bill Beaumont said this was a move in the right direction.

“This announcement demonstrates our ongoing and unwavering commitment to advancing women in rugby both on and off the field in line with our ambitious strategic plan, he said.

“Unintentional gender bias in sport is an ongoing issue. As a global sporting federation we need to be leading from the front on the issue of equality.

“By adopting gender balance in the naming of men’s and women’s Rugby World Cup competitions, we are setting new standards in equality in rugby.”

World Rugby Women’s Advisory Committee Chair Serge Simon described it as a “landmark” call.

“This is much more than an initiative – it is the ultimate statement of equality and a first for sport,” he said.

“I am excited about this landmark decision, but this is the beginning of the journey. Together, we are working hard to do something very special for women, for the game.”

World Rugby Chief Marketing Officer Marissa Pace added:

“World Rugby is clearly committed to equality in our sport and we decided that we no longer need to identify our marquee events with a gender bias from a brand level,” she said.

“Our three World Cup events are the pinnacle of international rugby and we wanted the focus to be on the event and the athletes, not their gender. We’re very proud to be leading the sports industry in this space.”

 

  • ForceFan

    Can’t support the Harrison appointment at RUPA as all of the wrong signals.

    • Brisneyland Local

      Like I have to adjust to learning to catch a ball, learn how to tackle, and learn how to run straight!

      • From NooZealand

        and make sure I am playing Union not League and that the ball is not round and … Hope you enjoyed beautiful Aotrearoa -New Zealand.

        • Brisneyland Local

          Had a ball. But have owrked out you have to be rich to buy in QT.

    • Braveheart81

      How exactly does Harrison’s appointment send the wrong signals?

      • Funk

        “Class A is ok”?

        • Braveheart81

          Ahh yes. An admission to taking coke a decade ago means he isn’t a good fit for the job. If people think he’s an inappropriate appointment for puritanical reasons then that’s fine to hold that opinion (although I strongly disagree with that position). I personally think he’s a good appointment.

        • Dud Roodt

          If they ruled out all players who’d got on the nosé it’d be a pretty thin cupboard to choose from

        • ForceFan

          If your statement was correct then rugby deserves to die a horrible death in this country. We certainly should not be promoting the game to young people.

          However, your comment may reflect your own experience within your circles but it is not the case from my experience and certainly not in WA. There are so many clean-skins in the game who have given great service and who I suggest would be better in this RUPA role.

          But then we’re all entitled to our own opinion.

        • Dud Roodt

          I’m certainly only talking from my experience. Rugby is not immune to the use of cocaine for entertainment purposes.
          It’s usually a better option for them to blow (pun intended) off steam than drink a skin full of piss.

  • paul

    ffs. Can we stop with the PR bullshit for once.

    “The Australian rugby eco-system is entering pivotal times, and I am excited to be given this opportunity to help shape what is on the horizon for our game,” Harrison said

    How about we start with making the game slightly more relevant domestically than f______g tiddlywinks.

  • onlinesideline
    • formerflanker

      But is he fit?

      • onlinesideline

        fit enough to embarrass some Welsh forwards again for 30 odd mins. That’ll do me.

  • Custard Taht

    Cheika should grab Beale, go down to a local boxing gym, and stick him the ring against a hard hitting guy about the same size as Beale.

    Cause sure as shit, as long as Beale remains gun shy of contact, he gonna be flakey.

    • A Dingo Stole My Rugby

      I can think of a rugby player who boxes a bit who might have some down-time and be available for the task…

      • From NooZealand

        Sonny or Dane? (:)

        • Patrick

          Um neither??

        • From NooZealand

          Sorry, I thought you meant a non Wallabies player; if Wallabies, then QC. Greetings.

  • Hoss

    Good morning all,

    I posted this late yesterday afternoon, but for those who haven’t seen it – read on.

    My IT Gurus have set up a page so that we might all vote for our Wallaby RWC 31 Squad and compare it with the real deal on Friday.

    The page is legit and can be found at:

    https://yourwallabysquad.com/

    I have listed a possible & probable 51 players to choose from (i apologise if there’s some I’ve missed, but its a pretty comprehensive list)

    It has been designed so that you can only pick a maximum of:

    – 17 forwards
    – 14 backs

    Share it with your rugby mates, the more votes the better the data

    On Friday i will post the 31 voted for by you and the %’s of votes each of the 31 received and that should provide some good banter.

    We have given plenty of grief to selections since 2016 lets see how good we are, drumroll…………….over to you.

    Happy voting

    • Dud Roodt

      Good stuff – voted.

    • Mart

      Nice work mate, i got on board

    • onlinesideline

      voted

    • joy

      I’d rather vote on whether our side should take the field decked out in country of origin tutus.

    • Damo

      Well done. If I get the same names as Cheika & co can I expect a land of the rising sun travel package as a prize?
      Actually if I pick the same squad as Cheika I expect a knock on the door from a couple of big guys in white coats.

      • The latter. Definitely the latter. Hoss knows your name and your IP address now, so he’ll send the heavies around…

        • Keith Butler

          And they are very heavy!

        • Hoss

          Enroute now EP.

    • Brumby Runner

      Voted for those I want, not who I think Cheika et al will choose.

    • OnTheBurst

      Nice one Hoss, voted.

      The RWC squad rules are interesting. “A player may be replaced for medical or compassionate reasons, but would be unable to return to the squad. Any replacement players have an enforced stand-down period of 48 hours before they can take the field.”

      With this in mind, I don’t know why you would take 3 half backs. If one of your 2 HBs get injured, you can replace them in time. I’d prefer to use that extra man to add some variety in the second row / back row, depending on who the opposition is.

      Anyway, that’s just me

      • Hoss

        Yeah mate. Talking too Who last night over same. There’s some talk of 18 pigs & 13 fairies being the mix for the 31. I stuck with the traditional 17/14 split for the sake o the exercise. Being that the cups in our timezone and a few hours by plane i reckon there will be a ‘training group’ of 5-6 who miss the 31 put into ‘camp’ back here just in case.

        • Keith Butler

          For those nations who don’t have the benefit of favourable time zones, I wonder if there would be the odd group of 5 or 6 taking a well earned holiday in Japan. At their own expense of course.

        • Hoss

          Devious, but clever.

        • Keith Butler

          Fast Eddie has probably booked the accomodation already.

        • It’s likely. Remember Gatland for the Lions in NZ? He called up Wales players because they were close and promised (correctly) they wouldn’t get test caps. Said it made more sense than calling in replacements from the UK who would arrive, then spend 3 days adjusting to the time zones, then probably not get on the pitch anyway.

          I imagine a fair few sides that can afford it will do that – nothing says you can’t take extras, they just can’t be part of your official squad, and they can’t join the squad for the 48 hour window.

        • Who?

          Good point. Makes me wonder why we didn’t try and get a few UK players into the NRC… I know that club rugby’s on, but still, might’ve been a good option for those nations. No need to adjust time zones.

      • Who?

        I think 3 scrummies and 2 10’s would be the better balance, as most nations use 2 scrummies per game, but only 1 10. However, I can’t see either of Foley or Toomua being left home, Leali’ifano’s the current incumbent at 10, and Powell’s got what, 20 minutes of Test Rugby in 3 seasons? So I expect we’ll see 3 10’s, 2 9’s and Foley to go to 9 if we lose a 9 who we don’t want wish to replace (i.e. someone misses only one game injured, Foley is the bench scrumhalf, rather than losing that 9 for the remainder of the tournament – similar to Pocock missing a game in each of 2011 and 2015 without being sent home).

        • OnTheBurst

          To be fair I’d probably go 2 scrummies and 2 10s – which in my vote are White & Genia, and LiLo and Toomua. Again, all 4 of these guys get a run every match, and if we get an injury well get a bloke on a plane.

          For me (and with a favourable timezone and distance as Hoss points out) we’d be better having those extra numbers in the forwards, particularly 4 through 8, allowing us to tailor the second and back rows for the opposition – i.e. breakdown merchants versus pacey players.

          Could be risky but there’s risk any way you play.

          Ultimately though, Cheika will likely do what he did last time, which was pick two full teams 1-15 which can play against each other in training.

        • Who?

          I’m not sure Cheika will do that… Because I think he’ll go 3 hookers (Fainga’a, Latu and Taf) and 5 props (Slips/Sio/7A’s/Tupou/Kepu). That will give him the option of resting one ‘starting’ player in each of our less intense games (Georgia and Uruguay?). So, each of the hookers will get a spell for Taf to run on, and whoever’s starting at prop (THP and LHP) will likely be replaced by Kepu (starting), with the bench players getting fewer minutes anyway (generally speaking).
          .
          My inclination would be 3/2 at 9/10, and lose the extra player in the back three. That worked well in the past with Phipps, given he’s actually a pretty handy winger (good pace, good vision, good cover defender, the run and pass for the Badger to get some Meat in London back in 2013 (I think? Or was it 2012?) was some of the best rugby he ever played (one of his best passes, certainly – perfect spiral, thrown at full pace out in front for the Badge to run onto it at full pace)), but whether it would work as well with White/Genia and perhaps Powell is another question.

      • The 48 hour rule is standard for all RWCs. It’s so wherever they are in the world, there’s no bias for travel time. If it’s in NZ and a player from Georgia has to fly to London, then to Singapore, then to Auckland, then to Invercargill for their match, that’s about 36 hours in the plane and airports… So they set it to be 48 hours. Japan is generally easier to get to (I guess Uruguay and Argentina are the longest hauls, or maybe some of the countries in the Southern parts of Africa?) but they just leave the 48 hour rule for all of them so it’s standard.

      • Brumby Runner

        I’d always go with 3 scrum halves assuming there isn’t a utility player who could play there in an emergency.

        Every game will involve two No 9s, so if you wanted to rest one for any of the minor games, then three are needed in the squad.

        If one of the No 9s comes down with a calf muscle injury at training in the 48 hours before a game, then a replacement cannot be brought in in time.

        If one of the No 9s is slightly injured in a game and needs a game on the sidelines but will be fit again after that, then he has to be replaced in the squad altogether to bring someone else in.

    • Kiwi rugby lover

      have to do this at home as work has blocked the link. Maybe they know something about you that we don’t mate

    • Kiwi rugby lover

      Done.

    • From NooZealand

      I wanted to vote, but there are no Wallaroos names to choose from. Well done anyway.

      • Who?

        Ouch! :-D

    • Alister Smith

      Thanks Hoss that was great fun and thanks for letting your IT blokes take some time off playing Dungeons and Dragons or whatever it is they play when they make out they are working for you.

    • Happyman

      Fuck mate it closed and I could not put mine in great idea though.

      Ps it was a train

  • formerflanker

    It is not “gender bias” to correctly identify that there are two Rugby World Cups, one for men and one for women.
    It is just common sense and is a statement of the reality that there are two different competitions.

    • Braveheart81

      We haven’t been identifying it as the Men’s Rugby World Cup though, just the Rugby World Cup.

      They’re in different years. I don’t really see the issue of officially calling them both the Rugby World Cup.

      • disqus_NMX

        You will when someone talks about the next RWC and all along you’re assuming it’s the next men’s one, and the whole conversation has to reboot once it’s actually clarified that they’re talking about the women’s. PC gone retarded. That said, the scenario will be rare, because most right minded people will still continue to clarify it if they’re talking about the women anyway.

        • Braveheart81

          Of course people will refer to the women’s RWC etc. It doesn’t mean that every piece of branding associated with it needs to say “Women’s” on it as it historically has. People attending and watching on TV aren’t going to get confused because the logo doesn’t say “Women’s” on it.

          It’s amazing how upset some people get by these minor changes that negatively affect no one.

        • Dud Roodt

          People appear to have a lot of time to worry about semantics and supposed “slippery slopes” that never come to fruition.
          Those same people are always the ones who seem to like to dictate how other people lead their lives, too

      • Who?

        It breaks the rules of the definitive article. You can’t have two things with the same name called “The”.
        Happy with the decision to make it equal, but it would’ve been just as easy to add “Men’s” to the men’s tournament. We could’ve had “The Men’s World Cup” and “The Women’s World Cup”. Before others stole the definitive world cup (i.e. branding without the name of the sport).

        • Braveheart81

          All they’re doing is removing “Women’s” from all the branding for the 2021 RWC in New Zealand. If you look at the previous branding for the 2017 event in Ireland, the logo and everything else had Women’s on it.

        • Who?

          I see why they’re doing it, I just think it’d be easier to add “Men’s” to the WWE trophy event.
          .
          Logos and the like don’t have to exactly match the full branding. So the extra word (the gender title – for either event) shouldn’t be an issue there (i.e. leave the gender out for the logo to avoid too much clunky text). But, this year, we should hand over the “Men’s Rugby World Cup” – add “Men’s” into all the formal phrasing in all the official events, and we have equality. I’d even be fine with not bothering to be as concerned about the wording at the Women’s Cup – just award the World Cup. But being deliberate in calling this year’s event the Men’s Cup would be a similarly strong move towards branding equality.

      • disqus_NMX

        It would be like the men’s netball world cup (assuming there is one?) deciding to just call themselves the netball world cup. Just as ridiculous.

      • Crescent

        I think it is discriminatory against those of us that are former low numbers – making us add fours to the previous event and location to determine which event we are watching before the time! I demand equality for the forgetful and not-so-bright for something…… I forget. Where’s my beer?

  • disqus_NMX

    The Wallaroos are become as delusional as the Wallabies. “Try to stop us”. Oh please. Stop us from what? Losing again? And now we are going to pretend to be men. Sheesh.

    • Dud Roodt

      Are they pretending to be men? How so?

      • joy

        Maybe WR want both pretending to be it’s.

        • onlinesideline

          as in “ITS the World Cup”

          nahhh Ill grab my coat

    • The “Try and Stop us” slogan is a campaign about females from anywhere wishing to play, but fighting against the stereotypical “girls cant play” from anyone. (Full support from me at least)

      To use it with the Walleroos came off wrong, and turned out a bad idea, especially just before playing the Black Ferns…
      A more humble sounding approach would have been in order.

      A lot of ppl compaining about PC and how others take offence, whilst they are taking offence to FA themselves..

      Womans WC and Mens WC sounds right to me, but I really dont care one way or the other

      • disqus_NMX

        I have no problem with women playing rugby or doing anything else they like, more power to them. Nor am I offended by any of this. It’s just stupid to remove the qualification from the label that distinguishes the two completely different events. Add a “M” to the men’s RWC if you really must, but just removing the W just comes across as all the stupid stuff that goes on with the “angry feminist” movement (as opposed to the actual “feminist” movement, where the dictionary definition of “feminist” is used). Women should have equal opportunity, but trying to pretend we are the same, or that equal opportunity must lead to equal outcome is just stupid.

        • Cant disagree with that…

        • disqus_NMX

          All good, you made good points.

        • Braveheart81

          Your 4 posts on the issue seem to indicate that you do have problems with it…

        • disqus_NMX

          Largely replying to people replying to me. Is that allowed, or is it evidence of mansplaining or manspreading or some other mansomething?

      • Braveheart81

        Try and Stop Us is a global campaign from World Rugby. New Zealand are equally involved. Should we have not got involved with the launch because we were worried about losing?

        • Umm..
          Not in the slightest Braveheart.
          Turned out to be perhaps the wrong decision to use it in the manner it was, due to the way it was taken by many who havent heard of the campaign.
          How the hell you think that is me saying we shouldnt be involved is beyond me.
          Edit: perhaps read my post below

        • Braveheart81

          I must be missing something. Can you explain what manner it was used in by the Wallaroos that you think came across wrong?

        • Quote:
          “Reply was more to do with the “Try and Stop Us” campaign and what it means.
          Realistically speaking it was for both teams, just as much in support for the Ferns as Walleroos.
          Sadly it didnt play out as intended.”
          End:

          Most ppl seem to have taken the statement, “Try and Stop us” as being directed at that individual game, and directed at the Ferns, not as being in support for womans rugby as it was intended.

  • onlinesideline

    Im gonna make a prediction right here, right now.
    Its August 22nd 2019
    You can screenshot this statement – Im going to.

    Australia are going to win the 2019 RWC.

    • Dud Roodt

      I could really do without the erection at work…

      • onlinesideline

        From what Ive heard, not many will notice.

        • Dud Roodt

          You’ve been misinformed. Grow’er not a show’er. Packing the full 2 and a quarter inches of willow currently. Look out ladies

        • onlinesideline

          should I include that comment in the screenshot Im taking of my above prediction that we’ll look back on in 2 months time ?

        • Dud Roodt

          Please do. I want everyone to know what I’m packing

        • onlinesideline

          I dont know what willow means but I hope for your sake it has something to do with girth

        • Damo

          Does anyone else find it humorous that this little thread is on the same page as a lively discussion on gender neutrality?

        • Damo

          Does that willow need to be soaked in raw linseed oil for 3 days and then knocked in?

        • Dud Roodt

          Ah, I see you know your judo well

        • OnTheBurst

          Classic. GET YOUR HAND OFF MY PENIS.

          Relevant, too

        • Dud Roodt

          “Deeeeemocracy. Manifest!”

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Bahahahawahaha

    • Kiwi rugby lover

      What a great compilation. He really is a very special player

    • Hoss

      Cant thank you enough for that. We have been blessed by this great player and man.

      • onlinesideline

        Thanks mate but I’d rather you just focus on Poey for the moment.

        • OnTheBurst

          Got ‘im yes!

        • Hoss

          That’s gold mate

    • Greg

      If only he was a decent trainer he could have been playing this year.

      I have decided that 2019 was actually a cunning ploy to rest him for the *Mens* RWC. (hopefully the one this year)

    • Alister Smith

      I wonder what would have happened if he stayed at Inside Centre. I suspect his potential opposite numbers around the world would have dreaded playing him.

      The English commentator in the footage says “Pocock is arguably the best at timing” the breakdown pilfer. I would like to know which other players he was going to ARGUE FOR.

  • Hoss

    Ok,. So today i go forward to the future. After being cryogenically frozen in 2019 after our shock RWC victory over South Africa (who beat the Nearlies 86-0 in the semi’s when a ref finally decided to impose the rules to a NZ side. Which then lead to the 16 day war between SA & NZ in which time the 2 NZ frigates ran out of fuel somewhere in the pacific and the Saffa’s realised they didnt have a Navy or Airforce but sent a sternly worded letter to NZ who in turn had someone from Australia read it to them) as a 50 yo, white, educated, middles class cisgender, binary male and largely centrist in my views.

    After a couple of days absorbing the fact that history has repeated and that we are now a colony for prisoners from China i set about trying to buy tickets for the 2065 RWC Mens Event – the following are events between myself and the Most Honourable Representative from the Democratic Republic of The Motherland – China (in trying to purchase a ticket)

    H- G’day. I’d like to buy tickets to the Men’s Rugby World Cup please
    CD – 你好
    H – Gesundheit
    CD – Ahh, Engrish,ok. We don’t say ‘that word’ anymore
    H – What – Gesundheit ??
    CD – No – ‘men’s’
    H – What the fuck you mean you dont say men’s ? WTF do you say then
    CD – Prease be to refrain from obscenitie’s, honourrreble farver forbid.
    H – back-up Jackie Chan. I want tickets to the Men’s Rugby World Cup – held this year in Little Shanghai, formerly known as Sydney. Are their any available
    CD – Yes, but not to ‘men’s’ game
    H – So to the womens then ?
    CD – ahhh sorry we dont say that either
    H – What women ??
    CD – yes
    H – OK, lets start again. I think i have a cryogenic hangover. SO theres a RWC this year ?
    CD – Yes
    H – There’s tickets available ?
    CD – Yes
    H – but its not the mens or the womens ?
    CD – i told you we don’t say…
    H – Fuck, sorry forgot
    CD – And the obscenities
    H – Working on it. So let me back track. Do any of the players in the RWC being held this year have a penis ?
    CD – Some, yes.
    H- Farking some ???
    CD – I think so
    H – so its a gender neutral game ?
    CD- Oh heavenly leader forbid no – people would get hurt we could’nt let that happen
    H – ok, then so whats the criteria for those playing in this years me….sorry, persons RWC
    CD – Those that identify as male
    H – you said we dont say the ‘m’ word
    CD – Horry shit, now you have me do it
    H – you know what, fuck it. I’ll buy a ticket to the zoo instead please. What times the Lion Show ?
    CD – we dont say that anymore, besides we have Giraffe identify as Rion now so………..
    H – Never mind.

    • Who?

      Your rebranding’s better than WR’s. It makes sense to remove gender bias, but to make them both “The Rugby World Cup”? It goes against the use of the definitive article. How can one thing be THE Rugby World Cup, but another one is also THE Rugby World Cup?
      .
      It would’ve been smarter, rather than dropping “Women’s” from the women’s world cup, to add “Men’s” to the men’s world cup. In fact, by (once again) leading the transition, they likely would’ve been able to beat soccer and just called it “The Men’s World Cup”, gaining that branding before anyone else.

      • Hoss

        I think they should drop ‘Rugby’ and ‘World’ from the whole thing.

        ‘Rugby’ is clearly sportist and discriminatory against other sports and ‘World’ is clearly planetist and implies we are the only ‘world’ capable of staging such an event.

        These titles are so 2018.

        • Who?

          Hmm… “The Men’s Cup” and “The Women’s Cup.” It does demonstrate the importance of the events, being pre-eminent over all other forms of Cup competition…
          .
          That said, I’m quite concerned about living in a prison. And my kids living here. I guess we might have to use those shiny new passports and hightail it to Ireland…

        • Gun

          True the Irish will probably go with whoever look like winning…

        • Who?

          Not sure what you’re angling at there..? Ireland hasn’t had a huge amount of choice in its affiliation for the past 800 years… If you’re making a WWII reference, you need to look at the recently declassified documents.

        • Gun

          I probably do. What do they say?

        • Who?

          So you’re grumpy that a nation that had spent 700 years under domination by a neighbour which they’d fought not 20 years prior (including having tanks in the streets and unarmed people fired upon by troops) wasn’t overtly supportive of said oppressive neighbour? That’s a horribly revisionist perspective, a view from someone living at both physical and chronological distance from the people involved. Judging with hindsight, judging people by today’s standards rather than historically fair standards (i.e. smoking was fine 50 years ago, now you’re considered almost a criminal – and I say that as someone who’s never smoked (other than passively)).
          .
          That view also fails to consider the quiet assistance provided by the de Valera government. Ireland, a predominantly non-industrialised, under-populated (it still hasn’t regained pre-famine levels of population) nation located behind the front lines, still trying to find its feet after a violent period of rebellion and then civil war wasn’t in any position to defend itself. So it took a non-aggressive position of political neutrality. But Ireland did nothing to help Germany, rather it put markers all over its west coast to assist transports (both air and sea) arriving from across the Atlantic, and it helped MI5 to furnish misinformation through Germany. Plus, Luftwaffe pilots who were shot down and ended up in Ireland were interned, where Allied pilots were generally released to Northern Ireland.
          .
          Openly helping the UK would’ve been political death for de Valera, a man whose history was strongly tied to his part of 1916. But in his covert actions, in spite of the negative press it garnered (and still garners today, clearly), he did the right thing – according to the long term view of history.
          .
          Even that’s not the full story, as Irish citizens fought in other national armies (primarily the British army), without penalty from the state.
          .
          Sometimes we need to give a little understanding to people who we don’t necessarily understand.

        • Gun

          Fair enough, it’s probably something I wouldn’t remark on if we were at a barby so uppercut to myself however political expediency versus freedom seems a remarkable compromise.

        • Who?

          No stress, good to be able to discuss it. :-)
          .
          Political expediency vs freedom, it never really got to that point. If the UK had been invaded, if Ireland had been under genuine threat… I’m sure things would’ve changed. After all, Ireland rebelled consistently at small scale and periodically (once every generation or two, pending national health) against the UK – the greatest superpower in the world at the time, located mere miles off the coast. The Irish would, I’m confident, have gone Afghan – unwilling to accept any form of foreign interloper who they perceived to be dominating their freedoms.
          .
          From my distance (Irish passport, but no strong ties), Irish people seem to have a history of extremism – they’re either extremely peaceful, or extremely violent. Extremely conservative, or extremely radicalised (or progressive). It takes a fair bit to get through the phlegmatic, friendly exterior, but get there and you might regret stirring the passions hiding beneath.

        • Gun

          Thanks for the reply mate. It’s not so much physical freedom (which is important) but the idea of freedom that’s worth fighting for. Australia’s freedom for example hasn’t been threatened but our recent military excursions and certainly those past have roughly protected this principle (and a fair degree of alliance management in recent times).
          I also understand the enmity between the many and various European tribes stretches back generations. Luckily in the Galapagos we only have new and very old Australians most of which are happy with the opportunity provided for them.

        • Who?

          The idea of broader freedom is a luxury for which one can fight when everything else is covered off. Australia’s lucky – we’ve not had notable armed invasion, or occupation (with the obvious initial exception of Indigenous land ownership). Which is why we’re able to step in and help others (but why we don’t ask Australian Aboriginals and Torres Strait Islanders to go and fight as nations).
          .
          The US goes fighting all round the world in the name of freedom, they can do it because, in spite of the realities of daily existence for many in the fly over states, as a nation, they are very, very wealthy. Switzerland is extremely democratic, and have a strong military force (thanks to Napoleon), but they don’t go campaigning for ideas (even though they’ve got cash).

        • Gun

          Maybe they should. Otherwise someone may take their freedom from them.

        • Who?

          Fighting for other people’s freedom hasn’t always worked out so well. At least, not in the last 50 years….. Sometimes it’s better to let other people work out what they want. Especially when you’re skint (the Irish economy’s had one boom in the last how many decades? The Irish nation has the benefit of how many prior booms..?).

        • GeorgiaSatellite

          One might argue that the US’ sustained wealth of late has been BECAUSE of it goes fighting all around the world. I wouldn’t do that here, of course, but one ‘might’.

        • Who?

          I didn’t wanna go too far into US foreign policy…….
          But the idea of ‘buying’ a country, including the citizens, is so 19th century! :-D

        • Patrick

          Little brown fait, in Irish “England” means “unfreedom”.

        • joy

          We should make it clear that the difference is based on sex rather than gender ie The Men’s Sex World Cup and the Women……

        • Who?

          I don’t claim to know enough about that…….

        • Alister Smith

          what if its not a cup…cup is sort of sexist. Male baseball players wear cups. I think that leaves us with “the”.

        • Who?

          The Contest…?
          :-P

        • Custard Taht

          The word cup is discriminatory agsinst other drinking vessels…..especially considering to me it looks more like an urn with handles.

        • Hoss
        • disqus_NMX

          “Symbolic of his struggle against reality”. Sums up this whole WRWC bullshit.

        • onlinesideline
        • Hoss

          The 2019 Do the best you can to win a drinking Vessel Tournament.

          Solved.

        • GeorgiaSatellite

          What have you got against tankards? You’re so pewterist.

      • joy

        How would we know which one to record?

        • Frosty morning

          And if I were to attend one of these events which toilet do I use?

        • Who?

          Aren’t they now starting to build stadia with gender-neutral toilets..? They discussed (but didn’t implement) that when building my club’s new facility (though the change rooms work for everyone).

        • Frosty morning

          Now everyone can join a huge queue for a wee at half time and miss the 2nd half.

        • Don’t know about here, but in Nottingham, where I lived before the move, there were toilets in multiples of four, men’s, women’s, disabled access and gender-neutral in their new health centre. I actually applauded it.

          Apparently it was well liked because it reduced queuing too, because they’d reduced the size of the gents, and if the ladies was full, the women used to go in to the gender-neutral one, along with people who wanted to use it because they were fluid, transitioning, non-binary or similar.

        • Greg

          That’s outrageous Eloise. It won’t reduce teh men’s (can I say that?) queue.

          I have actually been to many venues where the ladies queue led into the men’s toilets as well. Everyone seemed to cope.

          Have also seen public toilets in German where there were (say) 8 toilets cubicles in a row. There was an entrance from left hand end of the row that said women and from the other end it said Men (yes, OK it was in German). You just met in teh middle!

          Again everyone seemed to cope.

        • I’ve definitely seen queues at the men’s at events. I went to see Wales v England at Wembley and walked past a long queue at the men’s to go straight into the women’s, no queue! They host enough music festivals and things, they have a large women’s toilet too, but the rugby crowd from England was predominantly male. But in a hospital you don’t get that “half-time rush” in the same way. You just get the pressure of it taking longer in there.

          I wouldn’t mind the German approach personally, but a quick straw poll here in the office puts me in a minority of 2 from 8. I suspect it’s cultural and we would adjust, but I think there’d be uproar for a little while.

        • Patrick

          My wife always uses men’s toilets at festivals when the line gets too long, as do many other women here. Doesn’t seem to phase anyone.

        • You using the women’s toilets might not go down so well though?

        • Patrick

          I am pretty sure that I did use the women’s toilets at some point, cannot clearly recall when or where, but did not create too much fuss either (from clearly not very clear memory!).

        • GeorgiaSatellite

          I think the men consume more fluid too, and it be may become imperative.

        • Who?

          What they did build at my club was a pair of toilet blocks. A urinal and 3 stalls for each men’s block, and 7 stalls for each women’s block. No gender-neutral, but they did also have a separate disabled access toilet. Never had a queue!

        • While I think it’s probably the way forward for large venues the only place I’ve actually seen it done was in a new build health centre. I checked it out on the internet and while we were there for my partner to have a nerve block for sciatica, it’s also the E. Midlands centre for GRS and has the associated psychological assessment centre too. So there’s probably a really high proportion of visitors for whom it’s a difficult subject.

          But in a large venue, where in future you can reasonably expect some of your punters to identify as something other than cis-normative, binary-normative AND a non-specific toilet can act as an overflow for whichever one has a big queue I wouldn’t be surprised if it becomes the norm over the next decade.

          If your local club is served by 20 stalls and 2 urinals, plus a disabled loo, the crowds are probably a bit small for it to be that much of an issue yet? Although maybe not, more and more people are talking about it as the concepts are becoming more commonly talked about. But that’s a whole different conversation.

        • Who?

          20 stalls and 2 urinals is overkill for us at the moment. And I don’t believe there’s been any issues for anyone there (I haven’t been as involved). But it was great to see a ‘male’ venue (using the traditional mindset) being set up with almost double the number of S bends for women than for men.
          .
          And this is a regional area. It seems the standard approach for anyone who doesn’t fit the ‘norm’ is to disappear to the cities, for the most part. My niece recently came out (not the first time that’s happened), and has immediately looked to move from one capital to a larger capital (she was already living away from her small country town home – where the attitude to her social media posts has generally been, “So? What’s changed? What’s the big deal?”. In spite of the fact that her father’s ‘best man’ was a woman, who lives with her girlfriend (they’re still not married, not in any rush, it’s only been years). There’s been family conflict, but that’s more over posting photos which freaked out her little brothers (they didn’t want to see her that way), and her militant, confrontational veganism. So, far from the most unwelcoming group, but she still feels the need to leave. That’s fine, she’s got to find her place, but it shows how even when someone doesn’t necessarily feel huge bias, it seems there can still be a need to get away.
          .
          The hilarious thing about going to gender-neutral toilets is that we’re actually going back to a more old-fashioned situation. Privacy in a privy isn’t necessarily something we enjoyed for most of human history. So it wasn’t necessarily a place for anything other than the ‘standard’ use of a privy (and, let’s be honest, until very recently, a privy wasn’t anywhere anyone wanted to stay – it wasn’t place to find shareable privacy, you got your business done and got out!), which means there was less concern about things going wrong in there. So, gender-neutral? It’s back to the future, but still with progress – because we now at least still have stalls between the toilets! Wasn’t always the case….
          I don’t think there’s anything more wrong then when you see tv shows where there’s an outdoor toilet, clearly a thunderbox/long drop, and they open the door to show there’s two seats, next to each other, and open to each other. That’s just wrong…….

        • We kind of see that “queer migration” to the big cities here but in my experience it’s a young person’s thing – people who want to be out clubbing.

          We’re a chunk further down the road than you with gay marriage and so than you are – civil partnerships were legalised in 2004 and legally changing gender became possible in the same year, marriage between same sex couples in 2014 – there are some weird little legal differences that I won’t bore you with. In light of the legal differences, in 2018, heterosexual couples gained the right to have a civil partnership too.

          But our “gay capital” is Brighton. The big cities have a much more active “scene” than smaller towns and cities, and they have more than rural areas. That said, where I live now has a population of about 28k, and although I’m not plugged in to the local population and groupings, we have a gay bar, several openly lesbian or gay couples I’ve seen, which always means a roughly equal number of couples with at least one bi partner “passing” in there. We’re also only 25 minutes from the big city, so I was kind of surprised to find a gay bar (it’s next to our community hospital so it’s hard to miss), because in about 10 minutes in Newcastle city centre I tripped over about 5 – I was trying to get somewhere for an interview and not looking for pub at all! In Nottingham, I lived right on the outskirts and there you did have to travel into the city centre for the bars and clubs. But I lived down a really quiet alley, with 12 houses on it, and there were 3 queer couples in some combination or another out on the edge of the city. Where my mum and dad, and also my sister, live – similar size to here but the nearest big city is more like an hour away – when I was a kid there was no one out and proud, now same sex couples are a common, and unremarked on sight.

          I guess what I’m trying to say is that we’ve changed and while you do see a drive in some people to go to the big cities and be in on the scene, people who don’t want to be out clubbing are just as common and we’re seeing much more openness in a lot of places, even small towns. Not saying there’s no bigotry and hatred, there certainly is. But most people are not surprised, wherever you go, to find someone not living the heteronormative dream any more.

        • Who?

          I think the attitude’s not dissimilar round here. There’s definite unfounded and unjustifiable hatred, especially (I’d imagine) when people have had too much to drink. And of course there’s fewer ‘safe’ options or gay or lesbian pubs. But in general, people don’t really care. They mostly tend to be more concerned about who you are than who you’re with, or who you like.
          And all that in an electorate that voted ‘No’ in the SSM plebiscite.
          .
          But I think that, in the same way it’s taken and taking time for the broader population to understand minorities (of all types), I think the lure of bright lights and both perceptions and expectations of negative reactions from those around them will see kids leaving the regions for Mecca (or, for many – though not my niece – Oxford St). It’s just disappointing when people don’t know their own family well enough that they’re surprised when they’re not rejected when they aggressively and confrontationally out themselves (my niece was shocked my wife didn’t disown here. Why would she/we disown our niece?! It changed/changes nothing. We thought she knew us better than that). Hopefully the sources of those negative expectations (whatever and wherever they may be) will eventually disappear.
          .
          But that will likely mean that issues around toilets won’t be a major thing around my little club’s excellent new facility (which, for the record, was built by the local council – they made the call on how the toilets were built, I just did the club consultation). Maybe a minor issue, but I trust the club will handle things sensitively and sensibly if and when it becomes an issue.

        • Coming out has its own lore, mythology almost, and expectations. Some of those are shared but some are always deeply personal. The lore certainly tells us about people who were disowned, disinherited, thrown out of their houses. There was a piece on the news recently about someone who was initially refused asylum on really spurious grounds but won it on appeal. When she came out the whole village chased her with machetes.

          In practice roughly 8/10 people I know actually have coming out stories that go something like “Mum, Dad, I’m [gay/lesbian/bi/non-binary/gender-fluid/trans]” and the response is along the lines of “yes, we know dear.” At least for the adults. But all the expectation is built around the other cases and the sometimes terrible stories you hear. And people latch onto the weirdest things to make assumptions about who is and isn’t likely to be supportive. It’s hard for me to remember now who I called right and wrong but I know that although I’m generally pretty insightful I really made a mess of that one!

        • Who?

          I completely get it. There’s a massive history of negative experiences. Thankfully, they’re becoming more rare as time passes. I just hope we get to a point where kids are aware things can go poorly, but that they feel confident that those examples are the minority, and instead think about their relationship with their family. :-)

        • Sorry for the delayed reply, I thought I’d posted, then we had visitors. It was only as I was checking my inbox this morning that I found this.

          While I obviously hope that things change to the point that people think, moderately rationally, about their relationships I’m wondering how soon that will actually happen. A couple of reasons for that – although as I said about 8/10 of the people I know have good stories, the vast bulk of the stories I know are bad ones. Bad news is the News. They linger. I heard a young lesbian woman telling one of her friends about a coming out experience that might just have been repeated but it matched so closely to one I heard that I’m pretty sure it’s a recycle of one I heard in the 80’s, and I learnt in the 90’s that was a recycle of one from the 60’s. It might just be older than that, but it involves a car and telephone, and the two of them only really became common in the 50’s/60’s. I think human nature is going to keep those stories lingering.

          I think the other one is, and here perhaps I’m over generalising, that a lot of people who keep it secret, make that choice when they’re going through puberty and the reasons are formulated then – and are as rational as any other choice they make then! I don’t really have the experience of coming out while going through puberty, but I imagine that could be really straight-forward too…

        • GeorgiaSatellite

          A lemon orchard at each ground may be useful. And environmentally-friendly on several levels.

        • Who?

          Both – it’s Rugby!

      • juswal

        “How can one thing be THE Rugby World Cup, but another one is also THE Rugby World Cup?”

        I get it, but there already are multiple World Cups, or cup championships. It wasn’t a one-off event; it’s a regular recurrence. We distinguish between them by naming them with the year, as in ‘the 2007 RWC’.

        All that’s going to be different is that the 2021 RWC will be contested by teams of women. The 2019 and 2023 cups are for mens teams.

        But I wonder what trophy will be up for grabs in 2021. Will it should be the Webb Ellis?

        • Keith Butler

          Now there would be a thing. Talk about equality.

        • Brumby Runner

          NZ would just continue winning the damn thing anyway.

      • Hoss

        Isnt putting ‘soccer’ & ‘men’ in the same sentence an oxymoron ??

        • Who?

          Probably. My bigger concern is when people think it’s a sport. It’s not. It’s an elaborate form of torture dreamt up by people who like running for the sake of running to get more people involved in their delusion. “Look, it’s not just running, we’re playing with a ball!” Yeah, running for hours after other faster people who have the ball….
          I hate soccer.

        • Alister Smith

          I thought golf was the torturous one.

        • Who?

          At least you get to hit something in golf. ;-)

        • Alister Smith

          I think they identify as football players not soccer players. Soccer is a US/Australian patriachal whatevery thingy.

        • Who?

          Even though the first to advocate for the use of the word Soccer was a captain of the English soccer team. :-P

    • Frosty morning

      Hoss, I don’t mean to be pedantic but if the RWC is every 4 years then it should be in 2063 and 2067. Can you please tell us how it has come to be in 2065?

      • Hoss

        Apparently we are on the Chinese Calendar in 2065 – the 12 lunar months have been replaced by the Mao Meandering Months.

        • Frosty morning

          Aaah, now I understand. Please tell me that Cheika was not frozen alongside you and is coaching us again?

        • Frosty morning

          Actually, I just had a thought. If we freeze Pocock and thaw him out in 2065 maybe his calf will be right.

        • Custard Taht

          As long as he doesn’t end up with frost bitten feet….

        • GeorgiaSatellite

          They did say to put a bit of ice on it.

        • Damo

          2065. Of course, the year of the Androgynist!

        • Hoss

          Gold.

    • Custard Taht

      Question: Will The Duke be thawed out to?

      • Hoss

        He was next up, followed by Walt Disney.

    • Kiwi rugby lover

      That’s gold mate

      • Hoss

        I miss the simpler days when i was just a fat, bald guy.

        • Moz

          Big-boned, follicly challenged person?

        • Hoss

          I am such a dinosaur.

        • Alister Smith

          No some dinosaurs are big and fat and we aren’t allowed to call you big and fat.

        • Overweight, obese, or even morbidly obese are allowed still – they’re clinical conditions that lead to an increased mortality rate. You’re not allowed to fat-shame.

          Also, Hoss can self-describe as he chooses. It’s others who should show caution until he tells us his/her/their fat, bald guy adjectives.

        • Moz

          Thank you non-specified-gender person for correcting me on this matter. However, I am actually offended that you found it necessary to do this, especially in such a public forum. The truth? Bugger the truth, its my feelings that count.

        • Allow me to offer you a non-alcoholic, fat-free, carbon-neutral, low sugar beverage of your choice as an apology for the unintended slight.

    • disqus_NMX

      Satire wins every time!

    • OnTheBurst

      Genius.

    • Keith Butler

      Philosopher, poet, raconteur and comedian, the strings to your bow are countless.

      • Hoss

        You forgot ‘parolee’

      • Greg

        String to bow are countless….

        Can you play 10?

        • Hoss

          i have 1.86 10’s inside my current body crying to break free.

    • laurence king

      Funniest stuff I’ve read in ages.

  • HK Red

    That was a long way short of “brutal honesty” from Beale. Sounds like the usual soundbite tripe they’ve been dishing out for years.
    “Few little errors”, that I can blame on the conditions.
    “Learnings”, that I never learn from.
    “Small adjustments”, that I can’t be arsed to make.

    • Brumby Runner

      Yep, typical tripe attempting to minimise the mistakes and their repercussions. Was it 5 dropped balls and 3 missed tackles that don’t even get a mention by KB? These are not little errors, and nor are they new to this team or to Beale personally. Making out they are now recognised and that action will be taken to rectify them is nothing short of revisionism.

    • Kiwi rugby lover

      I know. Such a load of shit dribble

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    (and its a good night from me and a good night from him)

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  • Kiwi rugby lover

    Thanks Dylan,

    Great to see Mafi signing on and it looks as though the promise of the Reds squad may actually produce something going forward. I certainly hope so as they’ve been pretty dismal for a long time now.

    I don’t know about everyone else but for me; “Beale just shut up and produce the goods without all the bullshit talk and platitudes. We’ve listened to this crap for the last 4 years and it is now meaningless.” I’m really glad he found and reflecting on ” few little adjustments there that could have happened throughout the game’ but I’ll be more impressed if he stops crabbing, catches the ball and actually achieves something.

    I spoke to my daughter about the Gender neutral naming and she is pissed. Her words “Why the fuck do I want some misogynist fuckwit telling me I can’t be called a woman? I’m fucking proud to be a woman because it means I can do things men can’t. What a load of PC shit that means nothing because the same arseholes treating women like shit are still there running things” I think World Rugby just lost a fan.

    • Moz

      Geez….does she kiss her mother with that potty mouth??? But still, right on, and maintain the rage sister!

    • Dud Roodt

      One thing I’ve never been able to understand from you and a few others on here (just differences of opinion) – what do you expect Beale to do?

      He is dragged out to a launch, or a dinner, or a book signing or whatever, and is asked questions as a part of that role he is serving. Now, I’m assuming if he’s anything like me, he’d rather get his dick caught in a blender than be at those things. But it is still part of his job. And to give Beale his credit, he does seem to get dragged out at an inordinate number of those things, and always seems to do so without too much negativity.
      So when he is asked these questions, it appears he has a couple of options;

      1. stay mute, perhaps say “I’m just here so I won’t get fined” a la Marshawn Lynch, or;
      2. answer as honestly as he can while still maintaining a semblance of positivity as I’m sure his employers/sponsors would want him to, or;
      3. go emo, talk about how shit life is, how he shouldn’t be in a gold jersey and he wishes it was all over and then start cutting himself while listening to The Cure.

      I feel like his answers were honest, while still trying to be positive.

      I sort of feel like you guys have the attitude of “unless you’re the best in the world and living up to my expectations, then don’t open your fucking mouth”.

      As I said, probably just a difference of opinion, but to me, he probably doesn’t want to even be there. He’s just doing a part of his job.

      • Kiwi rugby lover

        I can’t speak for anyone else but I’m just sick of the way they come on with their corporate bullshit speak. It’s been going on for so long with all these platitudes about training well and taking some learnings from the game and yet nothing improves.
        Yeah I get they have to say something and I know it’s all been coached but honestly when read this stuff
        I feel like I have a good understanding of that now and along with my teammates I will make sure I keep working hard on those small little errors and make sure that it doesn’t happen again.
        It just doesn’t sound honest and as though he really understands the issue that the fans are having.
        I don’t think the answers are honest. I think they are trained monkey speak from some idiot at RA who is leading them on.
        I don’t really know the answer on what he should say but I don’t think him, or anyone else, is doing it right.

        • Dud Roodt

          But if you look at how any player from any nation around the world speaks – you won’t find it varies much from what the Wallabies say. Certainly not the All Blacks, not the English. It’s just the way of the game in the professional era.
          And the Wallabies players seem to cop the brunt of it a) because we’re on GAGR, and b) because they aren’t winning

        • Who?

          The All Blacks do differ greatly to the Wallabies.
          Because they don’t do near as much justifying of poor performances, because they don’t have to. :-(
          Edit – my simple point being life’s easier when you’re winning.

        • joy

          So why attack Beale?

      • While I appreciate what you’re saying, it’s not quite what he said that annoys me as the way he said it.

        Let me rephrase what he said. Maybe you think he’d have got fired or dropped for it, I’m not sure? I think it would have sounded much better though.

        “I had a poor game by the standards I expect of myself on Saturday. I think everyone who watched could see it wasn’t good. We’ve identified how to address the particular issues in training and I’m working on them hard so they will improve in future.”

        It’s still kind of corporate mumbo-jumbo. He’s not saying “I was fucking shite and I should be dropped. Out of the 31 going to Japan.” Which would be my honest assessment of how horribly he played even though I know it’s not going to happen. But it’s not “there were a few small errors” because there weren’t. It’s closer to an honest response. It still reads like the PR people have got to him, but at least it also sounds like a mea culpa too.

        And as an old-school goth, please don’t talk about The Cure as an emo band!

        • Dud Roodt

          Firstly addressing the most important part of this discussion: The Cure aren’t what we would consider emo by today’s standards – but they were definitely the first “emo” style band! They set the trend that I would say a lot of today’s emo bands emulated.

          Of course that is more honest, but he didn’t come out and say that everything is hunky dory.
          I just think we’re pretty hard on people who have been trained to within an inch of their lives in what to say and how to say it.

          And as I said – I’m sure he’d rather not be there at all. But he has to as part of his job.

        • I suspect you’re right, he’d rather not be there – but given what we pay our test players, and the privileges we give them, in all sports, they have to suck up dinners, PR events and the like.

          I guess I’m not really blaming him. These days, for a face-to-face, and I’m sure increasingly for social media posting, players and coaches are clearly coached about what to say, staying on message and so forth, just as much as politicians. The problem is, they end up sounding like fracking politicians too. And that is a problem. Minimising the problems makes it sound like Saturday’s balls-ups under the high balls (sorry, it was just too nicely structured to ignore) and the rest of it were minor little hiccoughs rather than a huge problem for someone playing at 15.

    • Greg

      Please, please, please KRL…. tell me your daughter is not 12.

      • Kiwi rugby lover

        Hahahahahaha no mate 33

    • You missed out “and tackles.”

    • Like others above, I think they went the wrong way. RWC and WRWC should have gone to MRWC and WRWC not both RWC. It’s not discriminatory to say which sex is competing at them. But while I think WR tries, it screws it up far more often than it should.

      I guess I shouldn’t be surprised that a bunch of largely white cis het men don’t quite get it…

      • Kiwi rugby lover

        No mate I don’t think anyone should be surprised

  • juswal

    “Try and Stop us”?

    Try to.

  • Cole

    Someone needs to ask Goog what happened at RC Narbonne. This appointment stinks

  • The Jackal

    how is everyone taking the news that Tom Banks is out and Adam Ashley Cooper is in the RWC squad

    • Hoss

      Whats the source mate ?

      • Custard Taht

        HP

        • Greg

          boom tish

      • The Jackal

        It’s under embargo but it is out there. Only real notable omission of those realistically a shot (I.e) been around the squad. Only taking 2 halfbacks!

        • Who?

          So that raises the real question. Do the writers on this site have the details? If so, who do we harass for early release?! If not, who do we harass at RA to point out that once again they ignore the grassroots, their supporter base?!
          .
          Not surprised at 2 halfbacks. Grumpy about the old man…… Typical idiocy.

    • Patrick

      By hoping that you are seriously full of shit..?
      Because really that is what I hope is the case.

  • Larry Jorgensen

    I have just two words of advice today:

    Les Norton

    • Funk

      Is he the answer to the Wallabies blindside flanker issue?

      • Larry Jorgensen

        Well he is a leaugie but could probably pick I up pretty quickly. Seems to have the rub of the green as well.

    • And Grungle

  • Adrian

    Thanks Dylan

    My World Cup 31
    Sio
    Alaalatoa
    Kepu
    Tuopu
    Slipper
    Latu
    Fainga
    Arnold
    Skeleton (Jones if unavailable)
    Rodda
    Coleman
    Saleki-Lotto
    Hooper
    Pocock
    Naisarani
    Dempsey
    Samu (TPN if 3 hookers)
    Genia *
    White
    Foley
    Lelleifano
    Toomoua
    Kerevi
    O’Connor
    Kurandrani *
    Petaia
    Korebette
    Naivalu
    Hodge * (Gordon if 3 half-backs)
    Beale
    Banks

    • onlinesideline

      yessss on Sefa

  • GO THE Q REDS

    No more Mens or Womens World Cups hey! Do these clueless pencil pushers ever think what comes next?…… where this stuff leads in the future?
    What about at school or club level? Punters won’t know what they’re going to watch, even bet on, or simply what’s on Tv! There’s a myriad of reasons why a billion years of slow societal changes has developed these extremely basic and let’s face it….. Non offensive phrases and titles! Unless your some clown politician or CEO with an agenda of course!
    Good luck to em….

  • GO THE Q REDS

    And another thing…… What’s wrong with being in the Men’s or Women’s Rugby team anyway? What on earth is wrong with being PROUD and saying I’m a PROUD member of the “Women’s Australian World Cup Team”
    Hmmm

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