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Thursday’s Rugby News

Thursdays Rugby News sees a very public spat between Cheika and Castle, A new career for Pocock, Cheika might have a new job and Phil Waugh defends RA Board.


 

 

CHEIKA VS CASTLE: THE PREQUEL

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It has come to light that a childish spat turned ugly between former Wallabies coach Michael Cheika and Rugby Australia CEO Raelene Castle at the Australian Embassy in Tokyo could be the start of the sour relationship Cheika mentioned on his way out the door.

The altercation took place four days before the Wallabies match against Wales, in front of a group of 60 people, that was ultimately broken up by former player and coach Morgan Turinui.

Cheika was allegedly aggrieved that Castle went Director of Rugby Scott Johnson behind his back to request players attended the already planned event.

The event had been flagged months in advance with the expectation that Cheika and the players would attend, but Cheika declined given the importance of the Wales match.

A request was then made to have no selected players make the 90 minute trip to Tokyo, which went through Johnson.

Cheika inevitable made the trip to the embassy with a group of players and when Castle approached him to thank them for taking the time, he snapped at her.

For over two minutes the pair exchanged stinging personal attacks, before Turinui stepped in to break the pair up.

The high stakes nature of the Wales match combined with the Wallabies just learning the fate of Reece Hodge’s suspicion are being used as excuses for the altercation blowing up the way it did.

It is believed that up until that evening that the pair had in fact had a good working relationship before the altercation.

After falling on his sword and resigning as Wallabies coach, Cheika went out claiming that he had no relationship with RA or the Board: “It’s no secret I’ve pretty much got no relationship with the CEO and not much with the chairman (Cameron Clyne).”

He went on to vent his frustrations about having to work with Johnson and the selection panel, after he was reigned in for a poor 2018.

“Scott’s a lovely bloke and I get on fine with him but I’m not really into that type of thing, I like to take that responsibility,” Cheika said.

HON. DAVID POCOCK MP

 

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Can I count on your vote?

As his international career comes to an end, Climate Crusader and above decent human being David Pocock is beginning to think outside of Rugby, but despite having a three contract with Wild Knights in Japan, he is adamant he won’t be adding to his 83 international test caps, declaring his body has had enough.

“It certainly takes its toll. You pick up injuries along the way and some of them linger longer than others,” Pocock said. “I feel like I’ve put a huge amount into rugby in Australia and I’ve got a lot back in return, and really feel like it’s time to move on to other things and contribute in other ways.”

The flanker did admit he would miss parts of professional Rugby.

“There’s something really special about being part of a group that’s so focused on something bigger than themselves, but I’ll be looking to find that elsewhere,” he said.

Pocock, who recently completed his Bachelor of Ecological Agricultural Systems degree, isn’t ruling out taking a role in politics, given him his passion for conservation and human rights, after he finally hangs up his boot.

“I’m interested in a bunch of things outside rugby. The political landscape at the moment is fairly uninspiring when it comes to climate change and those sorts of things, so we’ll wait and see,” he said. “I’ll have a bit of time to think about it now, then I’ve got the six months in Japan. After that we’ll see. For me, issues around climate change, ecological crisis … there’s plenty to do. I’ll find something and get stuck in.”

But where would he run?

Would he run in a place that he might get recognised for his name as a Wallabies captain where they might not agree with his politics, or does he move to an area where his title doesn’t hold weight but his view would help. 

 

IF YOU CAN’T BEAT THEM JOIN THEM

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Michael Cheika, Nathan Grey and Mario Ledesma

Michael Cheika, the man who was upset when he had to report to a Director of Rugby is now set to take up a role as Director of Rugby role with Montpellier.

French rugby newspaper Midi Olympique are reporting that the French Top 14 club has begun work with Cheika’s management to bring in the Former Wallabies coach to replace current Director Vern Cotter in June. 

At Montpellier, Cheika would be apart of the same organisational structure that he alleges caused the fall out between himself and Raelene Castle and Cameron Clyne, when they installed Director of Rugby Scott Johnson.

“Scott’s a lovely bloke and I get on fine with him but I’m not really into that type of thing, I like to take that responsibility,” Cheika said to the media after his resignation.

“I found also that it changed my normal routine around things.

“Not that my way’s definitely the right way, I’m definitely not saying that but that’s just the way I like to operate.

“I’ve always prided myself on not compromising my own values and what I want to do so I found that a little bit difficult at times.

“It’s tough because you’re sort of betwixt and between, you so want to be a part of it and then sometimes it can’t always be how you wanted but that’s the way the role’s set up and I know my place within that structure.

“So you either follow it, which I’ve tried to do over this last 12 months or you make the choice not to be in it.”

Cheika would oversee head coach Frenchman Xavier Garbajosa as Scott Johnson did over him at the Wallabies.

Midi Olympique claim that the hiring of Cheika was a move to help with recruitment to the club and that despite his recent lack of success with the Wallabies, his resume was still impressive.

“The Herault business leader would then make a big move in the transfer market, as the aura of the Australo-Lebanese is important on the international scene”, Midi Olympique said.

 

BOARD BACKED CHEIKA: WAUGH

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In a recent episode of the Back Page, Former Wallaby and current RA board member Phil Waugh opened up about the comments made by Michael Cheika, and responded to calls for the sacking of the board.

“There is a lot of criticism that at the end of last year we reappointed Michael Cheika, but the reality is we just didn’t terminate his contract,”

“We backed him and we backed the team and since then they beat New Zealand in Perth, they beat Argentina, Samoa and Fiji.

“There are such fine lines and you can argue in 2015 in the World Cup quarterfinal against Scotland had Craig Joubert not blown that penalty we could have been in this situation four years ago.

“The reality is how do you actually support Michael Cheika because he was doing so much more than just coaching the team.

“We put a Director of Rugby in there in Scott Johnson and that takes the pressure off and allows him to focus on the team.

“They were the changes and unfortunately it didn’t work the way we would have liked.”

Waugh believed that the Wallabies showed enough promise to win the World Cup during Cheika’s tenure, but the inconsistency lead to the Australian fans losing patience with him and the team.

“I think it is the inconsistency that everyone has been frustrated with,” Waugh said.

“In August we beat the All Blacks by a record margin in Perth. Everyone carried so much hope into the Eden Park game and we haven’t won their since 1986 and we got beaten 36-0.

“In the Wales game we played brilliantly for 35-40 minutes and the Welsh just got over us and when you have hope everyone is optimistic about the result, but we just didn’t quite get there.”

Waugh also believes the lack of combination on the pitch, especially at the 9 and 10 positions really hurt the Wallabies, with the top tier teams having been settled 18-24 months out from the World Cup.

“The history of who has won World Cups is countries that have very settled teams for 18-24 months going into the World Cup,” Waugh said.

“Our tight five I would argue is one of the best tight fives in the tournament.

“But if you go through history the teams that have won have had a settled No.9 and No.10.

“In rugby the No.9 and the No.10 are important and we struggled to land on a combination.”

Waugh also commented on Cheika’s exit comments about no relationship with the CEO Raelene Castle as less than ideal.

“Clearly not having a relationship with the CEO doesn’t work,” Waugh said.

“That is the most disappointing aspect of those comments. The reality is between every employer and employee there is an element of tension and you challenge each other.

“Whether that is healthy tension or not is questionable, so it was disappointing, but he wears his heart on his sleeve and it was 24 hours after going out of the World Cup.”

 

  • Custard Taht

    The more that comes out, the more it is clear that Castle, Clyne and the Board all need to follow Cheika out the door.

    • Dud Roodt

      I’m willing to give Castle the benefit of the doubt. I think Clyne is so beyond his use by date it’s laughable though

      • disqus_NMX

        I’d be inclined to give her that benefit too, if it wasn’t for the fact that her reign at the Bulldogs was far from glorious. Now I’m left wondering how she got the job at RA in the first place.

        • Dud Roodt

          Supposedly it wasn’t, but I have no idea about the inner workings of the bulldogs or any other rugby league team so I can only take her on what I’ve seen of her. As the guys mentioned on the pod, under her rule RA have made some good changes (aligning the Schoolboys and U19’s; the fighting fund to retain talent) and it’s not like she’s had an easy run. This is easily the most challenging time in the games’ history in Oz.

        • formerflanker

          She got the job because she was seen to be a safe choice, not aligned with any State faction or rugby old boys network.
          If she hadn’t been confronted with the Folau saga or the Wallabies failing, she would still be seen as a competent manger and the Bulldogs salary cap issues would have blown over.
          Legitimate arguments have been made that Castle failed to compromise with Folau because of the Qantas sponsorship dollars, and she should have bitten the bullet and sacked Cheika instead of instituting a new management process.
          Her time in the role is now blistered by justified claims of poor leadership in a period of crisis and it’s hard to justify her ongoing CEOship.
          My negative opinion of her would only be changed if it can be shown that she masterminded the changes to the 18s and 20s programs.

        • Dud Roodt

          I think she compromised with Folau when she gave him the benefit of the doubt the first time he did it then asked him not to. That’s a compromise to me.

        • idiot savant

          She would not have survived sacking Cheika. Cheika is absolutely loved by a lot of very influential rugby people including nearly all the Wallabies. I doubt the board would have approved it which they would have to have done. It simply wasn’t an option. And as for Folau if he loses his case she will be vindicated.

      • Custard Taht

        She played an equal role in all of this dysfunction. Not sure what benefit of doubt there is. She demonstrated the same poor judgement as Cheika, she played the same petty schoolyard crap as Cheika.

        Cheika: Scott can you tell Raelene I didn’t want to send players to the function just before our biggest game of the pools.

        Scott: Michael, tell her yourself, she is standing right there.

        Cheika: I am ignoring her.

        Raelene: Scott, can you tell Michael that he had to send players.

        Scott: FFS, Michael is standing right there, tell him yourself.

        Raelene: I am not speaking to Michael.

        Scott: Fuck this, I am an adult and I am walking away, sort it out yourself.

        Cheika: I’m not happy you went over my head to Scott.

        Raelene: I am not happy you went over my head to Scott.

        Rest of High Commission: Fight Fight Fight Fight.

        Morgan: FFS, I will be the adult. Michael you go sit in that corner for 5 minutes and think about what you’ve done.
        Raelene you go to that corner and do the same. Then go to your rooms, no dinner, no tv.

        I expect better behaviour from the leaders, and their actions and behaviour set the standards. The standards you walk past are the standards you set.

        • Nutta

          Yep. That’s pretty much what I’m seeing in my minds-eye. Gob-smackingly juvenile.

        • formerflanker

          Sadly, what I thought was satire was an eye-witness account.

        • Timbo

          agreed, but please don’t quote that poor excuse for a military leader. His hypocricy was evident to every person in uniform knowing full well, he didn’t practise what he demanded from his subordinates.

        • Custard Taht

          Are you referring to General Morrisson?

          I am not, that quote pre dates him, I first heard it come from a Navy Seal officer.

        • Timbo

          fair call. I retract my statement, but still his tenure…. shudders

    • Geoffwho

      I am a lot more forgiving of Castle at moment. Not only under her watch did they make sure they invested money in signing up youth, rather than lose them to the Broncos like under previous leadership, RA also managed to handle the tricky situations and move talent between provinces rather than let them sit on reserves benches or on couch drawing fat paychecks – Quade to Rebels, Slipper to Brumbies, Bryce Hegarty to Reds, K Hunt to Tahs in a direct swap etc. To me it seems like RA is having a more centralised approach since she arrived. Cameron Clyne is a different matter. It’s just time.

      • Custard Taht

        That may be true. But Castle was one of the ones saying Folau needed to be sacked for damaging the game, RA/Rugby reputation and public image.

        It would be a little hypocritical for Her and Clyne to not be shown the door. Doesnt look good when you send a message to the players that, if you damage the reputation and image of the game, you will be sacked. Whilst allowing the CEO a free pass for doing the same.

        I struggle to see how can still have the respect and confidence of the players and the organization in general. At the end of the day, as the leaders, Cheikas and the wallabies failures are also Clynes and Castles failures.

        After the shitshow that has been the last 4 years, a full clean out is required.

        • Who?

          The whole Folau debacle’s just gotten a whole lot more interesting as a court case, given that three key players in the case – Cheika, Castle and Hore – are now on very different pages. Cheika’s clearly isolated himself from Castle. Hore’s jumped on a plane back to NZ. Will they present the necessary united front for the defence of their case?

        • Dud Roodt

          I think if you look at the way Cheika particularly reacted to the Folau incident – he was fairly on-board with the action taken. He doesn’t strike me as the kind of person to come out as hard as he did if he’s just towing the company line.

        • Who?

          I’m not saying he won’t be consistent with himself, that he’d say he did anything wrong. It’s just possible that there’ll be gaps in the coordination, due to the fragmentation of the management team that was involved when it happened. It’s a risk.

        • Dud Roodt

          Yeah good point

  • Nutta

    Morning Cobbers

    I’ve said before that Poet ‘s post-prime career (in his case rugby) will be worth the watch. Here’s hoping it is more successful than Peter Garrett (music>politics).

    It was interesting watching Phil Waugh squirm on the Back Page. His ability to talk a lot without directly answering any of the questions about Cheks, RA’s decision making process, the NRL GF’s and the SCG Members politics was just so reassuring that rugby continues to produce such … politically competent operators.

    Chek v Castle and the whole stinking cess-pool of self-interested incestuous filth that is our national structure having a blow-up over ego’s & free pies: I have to say that as more of an operations type than a HO type that I tend to get a bit aggravated when something big is on and head-office-honcho’s interfere in mission-critical stuff for a photo or feel-good op. That said I try to manage that by being a bit more forthcoming and proactive in-advance with my HO Masters & Betters so it doesn’t become an issue at 5min to midnight when I’ve got stuff I need to focus on (they must be my Masters and Betters right? Or else why do they get paid more than me?). Smells to me like ego’s butting heads at the expense of the actual mission and that’s just wrong from both parties. I betcha ScottyJ just loved being in the middle of that spat and it’s embarrassing that someone on the relative outside (Morgs) was left to do the refereeing… See if it were a photo-oppy-type-sponsors-media-thing with the free beers and feed then I bet there was whole limos full of Board and RA Sir Leslie Patterson type big-wiggy heifers in strained (and stained) pastel cashmere sweaters busily stuffing free pies and beers in their gobs watching the floor show the whole time. Great leadership guys. Dead set great leadership. There’s the emulation of all things proudly Wobbly yeh? That’s why we pay the levy on our subs yeh (remember the one-year levy that’s still there fkn 10yrs later?)? Great to see. Great to see. You mob of poncy nobs. You lot can’t find your arses with one hand let alone two unless it’s to open the combination lock to the buffet and then you’re both fkn Mensa scholars and Olympic gymnasts in one breath. You’re a fkn embarrassment to those of us who actually hold the fkn game up. Fk you all and the donkey you rode in on (but I’ll bet ya didn’t pay for).

    • moaning expat

      Nutta, I really wish people on this forum would just be blunt and honest and tell us what they think rather than try and read between the subtle lines here..

      • Nutta

        Yeh. You’re right. We should go at it harder. Fuk training well. Just do better.

    • muppet

      Spot on about Phil Waugh. That was hard – and sad – to watch.

  • Kiwi rugby lover

    Thanks Dylan, no real surprises on the fallout and introducing another level of governance was always going to be an issue. I just hope they sort out the processes properly for the new coach.

    Interesting to see all the comments on Cheika and his style. Certainly lots of opinions out there and its a real eye opener to the different expectations and issues in rugby here. As much as Cheika was crap, the issues certainly aren’t all his and RA has a lot to deal with.

  • idiot savant

    I guess the blow up was always coming. It just needed to find the right moment and the pressure of the Wales game the next day and the news that Hidge had been suspended did the trick. What it revealed was their lack of time each one has for each other.

    What I find truly laughable is Cheika saying he ‘likes to take responsibility’ as an argument against having Johnson and selectors put in his way. I cant remember him once taking responsibility for losing 9 out of 13 games last year before the changes were brought in. He blamed Larkham. If he had truly taken responsibility he would have offered his resignation or done more than change an attack coach. The narcissism is extraordinary. He feels aggrieved as if wrong was done to him and he didn’t deserve it.

  • disqus_NMX

    If Pocock enters politics in Oz, it would likely be as a member of the Greens or Labor, or as an independent senator. Regardless of choice, he will be far to the left of most of the GAGR faithful, and I’d be curious if many here would even vote for him.

    • AllyOz

      I think you’ve nailed it disq. I liked Midnight Oils songs but I never supported Peter Garret as a politician (even though I understand he is a very decent bloke and I think KRudd scapegoated him on the pinkbatts). Pocock is a very decent human being, I love how he plays rugby and I love that he has principles that he lives by, but, if they are not the same principles or priorities that I hold it wouldn’t make much sense to vote for him. There are a lot of people in that environmental activism area that believe more in making a noise than actually doing something constructive but I think Pocock has, through his Zim charity work etc, displayed that he is a man of action and I admire that.

      • Hoss

        His lyrics took on a dark undertone post Labour – ‘How do we sleep while our batts are burning’

        • Who?

          If it’s just the batts instead of the beds, then it’d be ‘pretty well’, wouldn’t it? The carbon monoxide would assist…
          That may be pushing it too far, given lives were lost. :-|

    • Might teach them all to steal fairly. (As long as he’s not an illegal entry and can stay on his feet)
      Maybe not the answer you were after, but I have as much faith in politics as I have in RA.
      Personally think it would be a poor choice for him to make.

      • Greg

        Is the first para some sort of review of Mr Joyce?

    • formerflanker

      I have a sneaking suspicion that many GAGR faithful are far more left wing than you anticipate.

      • onlinesideline

        yep good point…think you are right

      • Missing Link

        Tell me about it, the constant Freudian slip of calling Malcolm Marx “Karl” really highlight how left leaning GAGR is, they don’t even know they’re doing it!! hahaha

        • Cornchips

          I prefer people to know I’m socialist by buying a t-shirt with Karl or Che on it

        • Yowie

          Playing Rage Against the Machine loudly also works.

        • AllyOz

          I’ve never been able to understand their lyrics except for that rat in the machine one

        • John Tynan

          Rat in a cage? Despite all your rage?

        • AllyOz

          yes I ballsed that up

      • Dud Roodt

        Isn’t it weird that “giving a fuck about the environment” is any kind of “wing”?

        • disqus_NMX

          Yep it’s weird. My take on left vs right is that the left believe that collective responsibility is as important as personal responsibility, whereas the right view collective responsibility as being about bludgers freeloading. And fixing the environment is something that requires collective responsibility.

        • Dud Roodt

          I think you might be spot on.
          And generally speaking fixing the economy means less money in my pocket immediately which is seemingly a big concern for a lot of people who vote right

        • Who?

          The crazy thing being that the original large scale instigators of the national parks in the US were the Republicans under TR. And the US Clean Air and Clean Water acts came in under Nixon. It’s funny that conserving things is now supposedly anathema to the conservative parties…

        • disqus_NMX

          Yep, it’s sometimes much easier for a right wing government to bring in a policy that is something that most people want, but is seen as a bit of a lefty thing. If the left try and bring it in, it is seen as bloody lefty rubbish, but if the right try and bring it in, then it must be ok because the right party is for it. Same goes for the other way around. A lot of what Hawke and Keating brought in were rightish sort of policies.

          My idea of individual vs collective responsibility is a sliding scale. On the extreme end of the left is communism, and it’s 100% collective, 0% individual. The extreme right end is capitalist anarchy, 0% collective, 100% individual. We are all in the middle somewhere, with the current status quo a lot more to the right than 50% collective, 50% individual.

          There are also collective things that the right are champions of, such as armies and police.

          And ironically, the figures show that right wing governments typically raise more taxes than left wing governments (but they don’t spend it on collective responsibility).

        • moaning expat

          I think youll find that Armies and Police are not collective in the political way you’ve described, They’re examples of Market Failure. When large hard to organise and distribute commodities or services needs to be organised and the private sector find it too hard to do so- or privatizing an army would be impractical. IE transport services can be both. Armies etc far harder. However the original fire services in Sydney were private companies (walk down the Rocks and have a look at the top of the houses- some still have the shield or marker which tells you what Fire Engine Company they were subscribed to) and so are many armies, security (police) and other services around the world. Money making businesses or services that are run by the state are ‘collective’ as they are always inefficient compared to a profit making one. And many services contract out parts of their operation privately . (ie Ambo services their aircraft and pilots)
          Anarchy also does not mean what you think either. Its a society that is so good it does not need government etc- not chaos. Anarchy is actually more a leftish concept in that everyone is fair and equitable but just naturally etc.
          There are not many people on the left or right anywhere along the spectrum who do not want to pay for these. and taxes are the way they do. The more you earn- the more you contribute.

        • Cornchips

          Are we not just talking about public goods at this point, because they benefit the collective? A market is never going to support an army, at least not a defensive one or one you would want. But it benefits the public to have one for security and other purposes. Thus it’s a public good.

        • moaning expat

          I dont think the right are against regulations at all. O strongly disagree with that and it’s what the other post was about. The left think the right are all out to fxk over everyone and its simply not true most of the time. Generally. Any smart good business knows sustainability is important. If you rape and pillage for too long theres nothing left and you stop making any money. You can and should be profitable at the same time as sustaining and building. Obviously many companies do pillage and many governments let them get away with it. I’ve seem more corruption in a left or labor govt then I do in a right govt too. Point incase bob Carr and Kennealys labor nsw heap of shite.
          This left are bad and right are bad thinking from the opposite side has to stop. Becasue neither side listens to each others valid points.

        • AllyOz

          Yes but some on the so called right like One Nation for instance aren’t particularly strong on free market economics.They are actually closer to populist socialists with socially conservative views. The Nationals can be agrarian socialists at times. Politics is becoming a little more tribal and less ideological.

          There is a history of conservation on the conservative side but they look at different ways of addressing the issues.

        • Who?

          Exactly. Traditionally we’ve gone right and left, and assumed everything went together. We think ‘religion’ and we think ‘right’, where tradition has as many religious lefties as on the religious right. There’s areas where facism and communism have commonalities, but in their own times they were mortal enemies, fascists considering themselves right wing and commies (obviously) being left.
          .
          I’d be pleased to see a reduction in ideology if only it didn’t become so pointlessly tribal. Hawkey was very tribal (see constant references to ‘Tories’), but his ideology ended up being very pragmatic. It would be great if we could be pragmatic and empirical rather than tribal or ideological. We might see one policy pulled from the left, another from the right, mixing and matching for the best outcome on a per policy basis. We kind of go there already – the ‘left’ party advocates for a new opportunity for profits to deal with carbon emissions (i.e. they pushed for carbon trading – which would give an opportunity for the rich to make more profit off the average person, as it’ll be wealthy people who set up carbon credit companies), and the right wing doing it all with direct action (i.e. government interference). That’s completely perverse!

        • AllyOz

          I don’t know much about Menzies but the key to the next two longest serving (and best IMO) leaders we’ve had, Howard and Hawke, were they were pragmatists and primarily concerned with getting things done. They were either pragmatic ideologues or ideological pragmatists.

          You are correct re: religion, Catholic voters primarily Labor voters prior to the DLP split in the 1950-60s and for many years after (well city ones were anyway – country electorates are a little different). Now many Catholics are leading lights in the Liberal/National Party, Dutton, Abbott, Joyce, etc.

          Unfortunately, the more splintering we get the more we head towards populism and tribalism and historically that hasn’t been good.

        • onlinesideline

          I dont think thats true at all. Trumps decision to pull out of the Paris protocol was based on the deal that the Europeans pushed onto Obama which he accepted. Why should the US write checks of billions of dollars to subsidise the Indians and Chinese who are allowed to pollute as much as they want until 2030 on the basis they are allowed to play GDP “catch up” because they never had their own 1850 industrial revolution and beyond. If there is a crisis wouldnt the Europeans say NO to these ridiculous terms …. but no they didnt, as long as the US is writing checks, its a new jobs for the boys, like the EU and NATO, jobs for life, been chaufered around the world from BS conference to BS conference.

          At a local level many state republics have enviromental laws being pushed through industry all the time. Its just the left virtue signal, trying to claim the mantle on goodness, meanwhile the right are putting factories together, employing multi race workforces and protecting the enviroment in a host of ways. The left are tweeting about their own goodness in San Fran.

        • Who?

          You’ll note the tense of verbs and referenced presidents. The Republicans are no longer the party of Lincoln, or even Reagan…
          .
          I’m also not one who assumes everything’s above board across borders. I can’t believe that some of our (no longer enforced) policies had us relying on mitigating our CO2 emissions from planting trees in the former USSR… Because we couldn’t do that ourselves, and they’re reliable. :-

        • Cornchips

          Yet it’s crazy that they can’t grasp that renewables are personally beneficial regardless regardless of the environmental benefit. But I guess that’s the economic dead weight made by lobbiests

      • Hoss

        Commie sympathisers

        • Yowie

          When will these hippies learn that sunlight for solar panels doesn’t just fall from the sky!?

        • Who?

          The real question is… When will these ethical investors start to consider the fact that PV’s are extremely hard to recycle (i.e. they go to landfill), and they’re full of rare (and toxic) materials? There’s already better options than PV. But it’s not something that the average person can see/do, unlike being able to point at your roof full of PV’s which are sending power to the grid to be sold at a loss, allowing the users to buy back ‘dirty’ power at a dramatically lower price point when their PV’s not working.
          .
          To be clear, I’m in favour of renewable energy (even if there were no climate change, it’s only logical), however, we’re using (typically) the most visible but least sustainable version of it.

        • Nutta

          I know. I’m tempted to start reminding folk who originally came up with the White Australia party and why… and which side of politics wanted to tax women more to force them back into the home… and which side of politics justified paying men more on the basis they – and they alone – would support the family unit…

          Fun times…

    • Brumby Runner

      I really do think it wouldn’t be long before the negative voices were at least equal to the positive ones about his policies and impact.

    • laurence king

      All sides of politics need people with integrity, so politics needs him. The question is, would it be good for him. It’s a dirty business.

  • AllyOz

    Obviously no one is likely to be 100% bad and I think Cheika made some decent things around arrangements with states, getting a bit more by in on fitness, bringing back some players (and yes some probably left because of him too) like Toomua, Nic White, JOC, TPN etc. I think it might have been better to appoint him as a Director of Rugby than as the Head Coach as many of the good things he did were in this space. However, I also think he would find it very difficult, if not impossible, to keep his hands off the team and not micro manage the head coach. I guess we will see in Montpelier but maybe that guy knows what he’s buying and how to get the best out of him.

    • disqus_NMX

      Crikey, don’t mention Cheika and fitness!

  • Missing Link

    If David was serious about climate change, he’d lead a movement of rugby players world wide to stop playing rugby until the government takes climate change seriously and declares a climate emergency. until then, he’s just virtue signalling to a left wing echo chamber hahahahahha

    • Jerzy

      He should chain himself to Raelene until the government closes every coal mine

      • Custard Taht

        Even better, wear a Force Guernsey to Waratah and Wallabies games until a healthy climate is re-instated.

        • Missing Link

          The name Western Force and their logo is offensive and triggering to climate change activists. It should be immediately banned, along with coal fired power stations, cars and commercial flights…. hang on a minute, that means we’re going to see a whole lot more local east coast derbies because no one is ever going to be able to get their team across the nullabor with an electric bus

      • Keith Butler

        Stready Jerzy, she might like it.

        • onlinesideline

          you must be buzzing mate – think you guys will do it ?

        • Keith Butler

          I think the word is trepidation. We cannot live on 30 odd% possession as we did against the G&G against a team like the ABs – we’d get stuffed. Having said that, play a pressure game against them and as we’ve seen, errors can creep into their game that good teams can exploit. If we employ kick chase it has to be spot on, no cards for reckless challenges, in fact no needless penalties. Solid scrum and line out and don’t respond to the inevitable niggle. Win or lose as long as the guys give 100%, which they will and there are no contentious decisions that affect the outcome, I will be happy. That and a few tinnies and maybe a glass or two of Hoss’s favourite tipple.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          I think it’ll be tight. Obviously still backing the ABs but expecting a cracker of a game

        • Greg

          Same as you Keith…. I am hoping for a great, and I hope close, game.

          I have some mixed feelings about the attitude and the approach of both teams. I hope the game is a cracker with the best sportsmanship displayed (and please, please not too many rolling mauls).

    • Neil Pocock

      Seeing as he’s schooled I’d expect facts and honest ideas! That’s everything current govco policies do not use in regards to climate change agendas! Atm they play to the popular vote….. but there is no climate emergency!
      Carbon tax…. PAH….. Carbon is extremely healthy and our planet needs more not less!
      I’ll be impressed if Pocock does run and actually focuses on real pollutants/planetary issues rather than scare mongering!

      • Dud Roodt

        “Carbon is extremely healthy and our planet needs more not less!”

        Source please?
        Carbon Dioxide most certainly is a necessity to the survival of earth, but I haven’t read a single legitimate report indicating the already high levels aren’t high enough?!

        • Who?

          Think you’ve missed the sarcasm filter on Neil’s post, Dud. :-)
          “They play to the popular vote… But there is no climate emergency!”
          Whilst the majority of Australians believe in climate change. It’s just a question of degrees, and most are further around the curve than the current policies.
          .
          Biggest trouble with it all is that neither major party truly knows how to find that middle path that provides perceived economic security with perceived positive climate policy, along with funding the dole, aged care, education……. Without massively increasing taxes in an economy where everyone’s convinced they’re at their financial limits (especially with housing costs as high as they are – and looking as though they may accelerate again).
          .
          Note – not putting forward a positive/negative opinion of any party here, just noting the issue with finding a truly populist party at present.

        • Dud Roodt

          Oh phew. It is increasingly hard to spot the sarcasm filter. We need to bring in the reddit “/s” I think.

        • Missing Link

          absolutely, there should be a font called sarcastica for this exact purpose

        • juswal

          When I was baptised, the priest used the wrong font. Now I’m a Times New Roman Catholic.

        • Neil Pocock

          Sorry….. zero sarcasm this time…..

        • Neil Pocock

          Well there’s your homework for the weekend bro! Did you know we’re at about 400 parts per million Carbon atm but along time ago it was around 4000ppm. The facts show very very little correlation between carbon in the atmosphere and “heating”.
          In a simpler explanation….. carbon particles only hold so much heat…..and if you keep applying heat the carbon stops absorbing it! Science proves that these links between heat and Carbon are scientifically impossible!
          Also did you realise industrial green houses use carbon buffers…. they pump carbon IN to the green house for greater yields! And to back that up….. satellites show the earth is actually greening, similar to the latest rise in atmospheric carbon! Even with massive deforestation their is more rainforest than 100years ago! So yeah…. nothing adds up does it!

          Anyway…. all I can say is throw out any thought/fact your brain is using if they come from a polititian who gets their facts from the ICCP! They are a collaboration of scientist paid to “FIND global warming”…….then used to set political agendas. ….thats not science! (real scientists estimate man made warming is between 1-2% of what we ate getting! A quick search and you’ll find hundreds of far more highly esteemed climate scientists who all agree the science is nothing like the 150ish failed ICCP climate models! Shock horror….. somehow they still keep using them despite not one model coming close!
          (funnily enough, the closest climate model to reality was the Russian model) (and by reality I mean actual temps recorded….. not the NASAs readjusted temps or how they exclude pre 60s temp recordings)
          Ranting over…..

        • Dud Roodt

          So I should solely be getting my information from the plucky group of scientists who receive their funding from oil companies instead?

          Or the brilliant minds of our generation like Craig Kelly who posts studies supposedly “debunking” global warming knowing full well those on his social media pages won’t read the studies and see that they either are;

          a) completely biased junk, or;
          b) actually confirming the point he’s trying to deny but where he has cherry picked one paragraph which poses a counterpoint

          Nah, I’m good, I’ll take to word of the myriad of scientists who, contrary to popular opinion, aren’t reaping millions of dollars in cold hard cash into their bank accounts to prove a widely agreed upon set of findings.

          Having said that, my mind is always open. If you wish to post any reputable studies (i.e.: not funded by oil companies or right wing interest groups – I’m talking completely unbiased studies) then I would be more than happy to read them and have my mind changed.

        • Neil Pocock

          Your attitude seems far too negative before you’ve even started! Willie Soon posts links to every single article and research done! And just because funding comes from an oil company, that doesn’t mean the research is corrupted! It’s probably more a PR thing! The fact that not one single climate model has ever been even remotely close to true is proof of what I’m saying!
          You claim on scientists reaping millions is laughable! From what I’ve heard nearly 100% of grant money in “climate science” goes to previously stated PRO climate alarmists!
          If you speak against that theme you loose your tender.
          But the point shouldn’t be where any money comes from….. it’s whether or not there’s agendas set before the research is done!
          The people you say you’ll believe will have you thinking Polynesian islands are being flooded/sinking, Polar bears are going extinct and the great barrier reef is being destroyed. ALL complete myths…….
          I would easily say that 100% of anyone here who sits down and does real research, factchecking, will be enlightened into the real science!

        • Neil Pocock

          I know this is a few days old but if you see this msg I just watched a perfect current video that explains exactly what I’m on about! Look up sky news The Bolt Report….”the public are being misled by the ABC on climate change”

        • Neil Pocock

          Try looking up the scientist Willie Soon! Or search for the Independent Institute! Just remember…… if the content isn’t filled with irefuteable “facts”…..switch off and start again. Having someone say my name is Greta thutenberg so “just because” helps no one!

      • Brumby Runner

        If he runs and is elected, standby for the masses of right wing denialists falling over each other to have him referred to the High Court under Section 44.

        • Human

          I would hope that everyone who supports our democracy would endorse the application of the Constitution, including Section 44.

        • Brumby Runner

          As I most certainly do. I can’t say the same for the many politicians who have been caught out. Useless.

        • Who?

          First generation candidates were more likely to have their Section 44 obligations covered than those who weren’t obvious immigrants. ;-)

    • Dud Roodt

      This might be a first ML – I don’t think I’ve ever seen anyone actually downvoted on here! Well done.

      • Missing Link

        It’s amazing isn’t it, I guess you can’t afford to have a sense of humour when you honestly think the earth will explode in 12 years

      • Who?

        I’ve seen a few downvotes, but the question is, which side gave ML the downvotes? Because it could’ve been either side! He’s described Pocock as virtue signalling (so lefties might downvote him), and said the government doesn’t take climate change seriously (so righties might downvote). It COULD actually be both! :-D

        • Missing Link

          the ability to rub everyone up the wrong way regardless of political leaning is a special skill I’ve acquired over the years :)

  • Forceright

    Cheika & Castle issues are symptomatic of the whole corrupt farce that’s called a ‘Board’ in the loosest of terms. At the crux of this debacle of an organisation is Clyne. Clyne & his nest of viper mates who are at the root of it all. How many Royal Commissions, Inquiries & reviews do we need before these crooks get chucked out of the establishment. Bout time the Government & Sports Commission stepped in to throw him & his dodgy car salesmen mates on their collective greedy arses.

  • AllyOz

    I don’t know that RA’s biggest issues are personalities at board level or whether the structure itself is one that will support long-term growth and development of the game. I don’t believe that the underlying structure is yet right, I think there are still too many areas of friction and limitation. Castle has addressed one around the Schoolboys/U18s but there are a lot more and primarily the biggest challenges aren’t the national team but the playing (genuine) playing numbers and participation. The bright yellow (gold) of the Wallabies jersey is fitting because its the canary in the mine but its not the gas that is strangling us. Better coaches would have got more out of this team but recent performance from the age teams (not including this years excellent results) suggests this thing has been declining for years. That isn’t Cheika and its not really this CEO either. But big changes are required so we have to be sure that the CEO and the board are able to make them.

    I am not convinced Castle can’t do it but I do have some doubts. She has done some good things in the job but there are other things I am less confident about. One thing I would say is that, if the primary reason that Johnson was installed was so that she didn’t have to speak to Cheika then I think that’s a bad sign. It is interesting that, at the Bulldogs, she had another coach who had enjoyed a lot of previous success, was quite forthright, a little weird and had some serious issues with his dealings with the press. At Canterbury, with an administration of which Castle was part of, he apparently couldn’t coach, now all of a sudden, at a different club with a side largely unchanged from one that almost took a wooden spoon last year he makes the finals and could have gone further if not for some key injuries. So that is something that makes me a little unsure.

    The other thing for me is that I am (although I had my fun too earlier) getting a bit tired of the Cheika stuff. The bloke did used to know how to coach. There is no other coach anywhere, ever who won both the major southern hemisphere and northern hemisphere comps. That’s more than luck. The Waratahs in 2014 were brilliant to watch. He may have failed at Wallaby level and its hard to deny that he did with the results. I personally think that he saw a way that he wanted to play and chased it with everything and I think the major charge against him is that, when he should have obviously seen the need to make changes that he couldn’t or wouldn’t adapt his game plan. And his selections were scatter gun too. But it’s not as if he’s murdered anyone, he has worn it now and moved on and I wonder if we should too now that we have spent a decent amount of time analysing it. What needs to happen now is that we have, not just the right people in place but the right structures in place to get the best out of what we have and also start growing the game again. That is going to be hard because we have lost the public’s attention and its only when there is a major scandal ie Cheika v Castle or Issy etc that some in the press are prepared to look at us. Super Rugby doesn’t seem to attract the attention it used to and we aren’t winning at a senior level.

  • onlinesideline

    Woe is me and you lot too.

    Sad isnt it ….. all we want is to watch some good footy, to admire aussie rugga – but we are just plagued with more and more politics, infighting, code failure. It just never ends. If its not Izzy, its the Wallabies playing badly, coaches quiting, text messages …. EOYT going awry, more Eden park spankings.

    Its terrible – we got one week of happiness in Perth and thats been about it for years and years. Our Super rugby showings are still a joke.

    The whole think feels like a joke.

    All we have to look forward to is endless articles on the code, the CEO, Izzy court case, the coach this the coach that, the new coach – its all soooo boring.

    Im dead set close to just going into ignore mode…. really over it.

    • Greg

      West of Mosman? Just checked my navigator…. don’t see it!

      • onlinesideline

        you must be using the GPS for the GPS (schools) – haha

    • Kiwi rugby lover

      Mate so true.

    • Being from the West, we’ve already had all the angst and negativity about as far as I could take it.
      I wouldnt go as far to say I dont care anymore, a bit sad the way its all panning out.
      Just hope it all comes good one day… :/

    • andrewM

      But Westie is a born and bred kiwi..

  • Happyman

    I have been happy to give it to MC when I felt it was warranted but he has passion for the role and he does have many faults but then agains so do I.

    This is worth the read for all those who either love him or hate him.

    https://www.athletesvoice.com.au/michael-cheika-farewell-players-fans/

    • Kiwi rugby lover

      Thanks Happyman that was a good read. It confirms his passion and love of the game and it’s good to see that side of him. Unfortunately he just struggled to step up to tests just like some players do.

      • Happyman

        All good Mate
        I have started to watch post game media conferences on Youtube and I would recommend it.
        MC comes over as humorous and honest and not a whinging arse.
        Steve Hansen comes over as a dry funny bugger.
        Eddie Jones comes across as a guy who just loves the game and a bit of a shit stirrer.
        Joe Schmidt is as dry as toast
        Gregor Townsend is Honest to a fault
        Generally hey seem o be good blokes who I wouldn’t mind having a beer with.

        Click bait is a curse but can be fun.

    • Greg

      That is a great letter from Mr Cheika. Hard to reconcile with the rants in the coaches box tbh but I can believe that he feels and believes what he has written.

      As a coach…. he didn’t do the things that were needed. We, and he, all feel the pain. He does seem to have enormous loyalty from the dressing room and I think that speaks to the person rather than the coach.

      Good luck to him.

    • John Tynan

      I couldn’t finish it, it didn’t really say anything that didn’t soundhollow. Which is not to say he doesn’t believe it.

  • Nsf

    Cheika’s recent behaviour brings to mind Jeff Kennett’s alleged opinion of Peter Costello, that is he has all the qualities of a dog except loyalty.

  • Cunning Linguist

    Random thought: I feel Rugby Union needs to take a leaf out of Rugby League’s book in this country and set up pathways/structures like they have. Seems to be working for them.

    • AllyOz

      Some say they are actually losing ground too but that, at this stage, because they are bigger than us, it isn’t showing too much. It seems AFL is the one that is growing.

      • Mishad

        I read on another forum, Maybe roar comments, about a guy who visited a local school (can’t recall where, possibly NSW) and chatted to the principal and queried him on when was the last time any reps from the rugby codes paid them a visit. The principal replied that its been a few years since rugby League reps made contact with them, and never ever heard from any Rugby Union reps at all since he was at the school. Then he was asked if AFL reps made contact with the school, to which the principal said “follow me….” and led him to a room that was stocked full of AFL sporting goods and equipment largely supplied by the State’s AFL reps. I believe this is the pattern in most public schools across Australia.

        RA reps should be targeting public schools across Australia and encouraging implementation of Rugby Union programs. Imagine the talent that is just passing by and being scooped up by AFL in the droves because there is little to no exposure to Rugby Union in our schools. I attended a public school in Perth in the 90s and played club rugby that I managed to rope a few mates from school to play with me. After a few years as we entered our last year there was enough of us rugby players attending the school playing for clubs that we approached the PE dept and arranged for them to have us create a school rugby team. We then wore AFL guernseys to our games (vests) cos thats all the school had, and played all the private schools in their comp that year. After we graduated there was no longer anyone to continue running a school rugby team and it completely fell away again.

        I share this because unless proactive action is taken by a central Rugby Body ie RA, to instruct and fund the state Rugby organisations to approach a certain amount of schools across the country each year and support the nurturing of the fledgling game until it takes hold, then growth of Rugby in Oz will never occur.

        • Yowie

          We then wore AFL guernseys to our games (vests) cos that’s all the school had…

          - Looxury! You were lucky to have a vest! *We* used to have to play in a sack!

          Ohhhh we used to DREAM of playin’ in a sack!

    • Kiwi rugby lover

      Sensible approach. I think big name signing has never really been all it has been intended so nice to see some common sense

  • Missing Link

    reports in Australian Clyne is gone as soon as a suitable replacement can be found. good if true, and shouldn’t be hard to find a suitable replacement given his track record

    • juswal

      The RA constitution makes it likely that a new chair will be a current director, so it’s a choice of Brett Robinson, Pip Marlow, Paul McLean, Hayden Rorke, Phil Waugh and John Wilson.

      • Human

        Robinson and McLEAN have done their time and must resign in April.

        • Who?

          So, that’ll be Waugh, who’ll then sack Castle and install his buddy Kearnsy as CEO..? :-P

      • Perth girl

        Fuck them all!

    • Who?

      If it weren’t for the RA Constitution’s requirement the new chair be a current director, I’m sure I could find quite a few rocks who’d do a better job than Mr Clyne. :-P

  • StewedP

    Does the “Cock” have dual nationality? Would he be willing to relinquish his ties to Africa on entering Politics?

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