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Thursdays Rugby News sees England fined, Sevens couple helping farmers, Hunt close to re-signing and Cape Town awarded 2022 Sevens World Cup





Englands Rugby team have been fined for their V Formation during the Haka ahead of their win against the All Blacks, not for cultural insensitivity though, but for crossing the halfway line.

To be clear they were not fined for forming the V, or even Owen Farrell winking at Aaron Smith, but for crossing the halfway line, which the World Rugby guidelines state that players must remain behind the halfway like whilst the Māori War Dance is being performed. 

Six English players can be seen crossing the halfway line with the referees telling them to get back.

It will likely be a four-figure payment, less than the £2,500 France paid in 2011 for the same thing. The “cultural ritual protocol” was brought in back in 2007 when France formed their flag, with players wearing red, white and blue shirts marching up to meet the Haka, coming nose to nose with the All Blacks. The law of not crossing halfway was introduced then.

The response to the English formation was well received around the world, with World Rugby even posted a video on their Youtube page titles “England’s incredible response to intense New Zealand Haka” that has been view more that 4 million times. 

Many Haka experts and commentators in New Zealand appear to be praising Englands efforts to meet the challenge laid down by the All Backs, and that it was “in no way offensive to the All Blacks side, and did not violate Māori cultural protocol, known as tikanga.”

Tapeta Wehi, a haka expert from Rotorua in the North Island, praised the move, calling it bold and even wishing to see more teams through down their own challenge to the All Blacks.

“A haka is laying down the challenge and they were challenging the All Blacks back – so no problem with that,” he said.

“It’s a regulation problem about whether they were allowed to cross that line but that’s got nothing to do with our culture. Whatever England did, that’s what it’s all about. The Irish did it too, that was great. For me it’s all good, no problem at all.”

“Most Māori love it when the challenge is met – I love it,” said Wehi. “People have to understand more what the haka is about. People think what they are doing is disrespectful. But if you ask Māori, they’ll tell you that’s what it’s all about. It’s laying a challenge and if the other team want to challenge you back – then it’s all good. That’s what it is all about.”


Sydney 7s 2018 Charlotte Caslick runs Australian Women

Australian Rugby’s it couple Charlotte Caslick and Lewis Holland are using their high profile status to help Aussie farmers in their plights with droughts, floods and fires.

Recently the couple partnered with country outfitters Ringers Western to raise funds for Drought Angels, raising over $50,000 from their melon work shirts.

The young couple has their own property that has been affected by the droughts, with many of the people in their lives also being affected. Holland comes from a farming background, with his family owning cattle. Many of Caslick’s extended family are also farmers.

“We’ve been in a  drought for the last 12 months, we’re out of dam water, we’ve sunk a bore just after the end of the season in our holidays and we were lucky enough to get water,” Holland said.

“We just bought a truckload of hay and half a truckload of cotton seeds so our cattle get fed now up until Christmas  because they’re calving and they’ll be on a fulltime feed ration to make sure they calve down and keep weight.”

“We’ll make a decision around Christmas time, what’s the best to do there (depending on) whether we get any rain or not, or move the cattle on and just wait for it to rain,” Holland said.

The drought has hit very close to hope for the pair, with Caslick telling of how her family have been unable to grow crops, or even being forced from their land.

“Since we’ve bought our own place as well, you start to appreciate that playing rugby for a living is not so hard and there’s people going through things that are a lot bigger than losing a grand final,” she said.

“It really makes you understand the real pressures of life. Nothing compares to waiting for rain.”

Along with their Melon Work Shirts, the couple have been involved in several other efforts to support Aussie farmers, including a Ringers Western cap that raised $20,000, whilst starting Fencing for Farmers, partnering with BlazeAid and Drought Angels to assist farmers replacing fences damaged due to natural disasters.

“Charlotte and I started Fencing for Farmers back when the droughts went through northwest Queensland, just to raise a little bit of awareness and obviously some funds to help those guys and support those guys through a bit of a hard time up there – they went through and drought and also a flood, so they got the worst of both worlds at once,” Holland said.

“Then going on from that, the drought that’s going on at the moment on the East Coast, with my family down south and our little farm up north, a lot of families that you meet are all going through that.

“So we linked with Ringers Western and those guys were kind enough to jump on board and release a hat with 100 per cent of the proceeds going to Drought Angels, with the money distributed back into the local community to be spent there so that money stays within the towns.

“We’re just trying to raise a bit of awareness and some funds and just help those guys do it a little bit easier because it is getting pretty tough out there and the forecast for this summer doesn’t look like it’s going to ease up.”

Caslick said she and Holland enjoyed giving back as much as they could.

“We’ve tried to support all of those causes as much as possible and use my profile to raise awareness,” she said.

“Being in Sydney there’s people that have no idea what people are going through out in the bush and they don’t have an understanding or awareness.

“So having quite a big following (on social media), I’m just trying to use it to promote something that I’m passionate about and raise a bit of awareness.”


Karmichael Hunt Waratahs v Reds 2019 (Credit Keith McInnes)

Whilst neither party has put pen to paper it appears that Karmichael Hunt will be at the Waratahs in 2020, with the club releasing a 2020 membership promotional image with Hunt included. 

Hunt had an injury riddled first season with NSW but despite all the set backs still went on to win their best back award.

the 32 year old utility back was thrown a lifeline by the Waratahs after losing his contract in Queensland due to multiple drug infringements.

Hunt expressed interest to stay at the Tahs on multiple occasions.

“I have been chatting with the Tahs and that’s ongoing, we’ll see where we can get to in terms of the deal,” Hunt said.

“I think there is a mutual interest there. It just comes down to what terms we can agree on, that’s the manager’s job and they’re doing that now.”

NSW will be looking for experienced players like Hunt to lead the young playing group, with a large number of Waratahs veterans leaving in 2019 Sekope Kepu (London Irish), Tolu Latu (Stade Francais), Bernard Foley (Kubota), Nick Phipps (London Irish) and Curtis Rona (London Irish).

With preseason expected to get underway soon, it is expected the Waratahs will make an announcement shortly.



Cape Town from Lions Head

How’s the serenity

On the eve of their World Cup match against England, South African rugby has received a piece of great news, with Cape Town being announced as the home of the 2022 Rugby Sevens World Cup.

World Rugby Chairman Bill Beaumont praised South Africa’s efforts in hosting the Sevens tournament in recent years, stating the thoroughness of their proposal won them the bid.

“Congratulations to South Africa on being elected Rugby World Cup Sevens 2022 hosts,” he said.

“We were impressed with South Africa’s detailed and comprehensive bid and we look forward to working in partnership with them on another inspiring and record-breaking tournament.

“South Africa have a proven track record of delivering a sell-out event in the HSBC Cape Town Sevens, which is an esteemed tournament on the world series and will be of huge value to the planning and execution of Rugby World Cup Sevens 2022.

“About to make its second appearance on the Olympic Games programme at Tokyo 2020, rugby sevens is an innovative and thriving format of the game that has enormous appeal, and we are excited about the positive impact that another successful Rugby World Cup Sevens will have on our sport.

“We would like to thank all of the unions who expressed an interest in hosting this growing event and hope to welcome them back to bid for future events as rugby sevens continues to go from strength to strength.”

SA Rugby CEO Jurie Roux siad he was looking forward to Rugby Sevens being the first World Cup in South Africa since the FIFA World Cup 2010, whilst being keen for his country to host more international events.

“We’re delighted that South Africa and Cape Town has been confirmed as hosts for Rugby World Cup Sevens 2022,” he said in a statement.

“We have been eager to host global rugby tournaments for a number of years and to have the flagship event in the growing sport of sevens come to South Africa is exciting.

“We saw how the sport engaged the audience in San Francisco last year and we are certain that it will be just as big a success in Cape Town.

“The HSBC Cape Town Sevens has established itself as a rugby bucket-list tournament in the past few years and we’re sure that international visitors to the event will experience a great tournament at an ideal rugby venue in a fantastic city.”


  • Hoss

    I personally would like to see teams respond with a classic pincer move, throw a couple of sucker / rabbit punches and scarper back before anyone’s cottonned on.

    • Will

      The V from the English was great!

      I suppose their other option was to perform a morris dance to the dulcet tones of Coronation Street as a response…..

      • onlinesideline

        the french did an arrow but they held hands. Didn’t ANY part of their blokedness ring an alarm bell that that was just a tad ring a ring a rossie ?

        • Yowie

          Per Al Murray the Pub Landlord:-
          “History is written by the victors. That’s why French history books are blank from cover to cover.”

        • onlinesideline

          there was a short French guy that did alright and Im not talking about Sarkozy. Speaking of Sarkozy ……

        • Yowie

          Sarkozy did alright too under rappers’ criteria (cash & women)

        • onlinesideline

          rappers criteria / bankers criteria ….. same thing
          hell its everyones critieria… lets be honest
          difference is I refuse to rap and I hate offices

        • onlinesideline

          bloody hell – 2 downvotes – 2 frenchmen are hiding in here

    • Will

      The V from the English was great!

      I suppose their other option was to perform a morris dance to the dulcet tones of Coronation Street as a response…..

    • Yowie

      Perhaps they should throw a few smoke grenades around first. The citing officials can’t ping what they can’t see.

    • onlinesideline

      conga line around the kiwis – maybe to Gloria Estefan ?

    • Jcr

      Braveheart brown eye?

    • Will

      This would have been much better from the Darkness….

      • Yowie


  • Hoss

    I personally would like to see teams respond with a classic pincer move, throw a couple of sucker / rabbit punches and scarper back before anyone’s cottonned on.

  • joy

    I tire of the haka and all the nonsense it provokes. It’s high time we invoked Rule 303.

  • onlinesideline

    Im still in mourning
    Please help

    • Nutta
      • Yowie

        Justin Trudeau in the crowd at 2:12 (not sure which one)

        • onlinesideline

          that pic of him just summed the whoooollleee thing up didnt it

  • juswal

    My two bob’s worth on the haka imbroglio is that the one they do these days, Kalyn a Ponga or whatever it’s called, is a dud. It takes ages to start, then there’s too much silence and stillness.

    The old one with the chanting and thigh-slapping had a bit of rhythm, a bit of the old bump n’ grind. It made the viewers smile.

    • onlinesideline

      I think where they lose people with the Ponga is the bit where the wave their fingers with outstretched arms. Think thats a bit too “native” for the average white person.
      Looks like we’re getting some curse put on us which I think is a bit mean considering they make the head chopping action at the end. A curse AND a head chop is just not on in my book. Its one or the other.

      • Nutta

        Yes Yes – one either scandalizes the horses or pillages the women. Not both. It’s uncouth.

  • Nutta

    I think everyone gets a bit too uptight about the Haka. Seriously the thing was an embarrassing, shambolic on-tour gimmick until Buck & Co in the mid 80’s decided to do it properly or not do it at all and I think the first time it was ever actually done by the AB’s on NZ soil was at the ’87 World Cup. So it’s not something mystical inherently entwined with the AiB since Moses played for the U6’s etc. If they want to do their choreographed tongue-poking temper-tantrum then let them. All good. No worries. But this universal expectation that the opponents stands there and cops it whilst getting cold in the meantime is wrong. If they want to dance then all power to them. But that doesn’t mean anyone gets to dictate my response to it. All that said, if the games governing body says do what you will but do it on your side of halfway then that’s fair enough to. I reckon just about the most disrespectful pre-game things I ever saw was not anyone’s response to a Haka – not even Campo just ignoring it – but Martin Johnston leading the Filth to stand on the wrong side of half-way vs the Irish in 2003. There really should have been proper sanction about that. It was willful boorishness. That and when an Australian crowd boo’d the Ella brothers.

    • Yowie

      “…since Moses played for the U6’s…”
      That kid could really charge through a defensive line untouched.

      • donktec

        the opposition just went to water…

      • Custard Taht

        I thought his best work was getting the ball away when the opposition was flooding the breakdown.

        • Yowie

          When the ref asked him to have a word with his team mates about discipline he got a bit dramatic about it with a ten-point list. Their flankers were particularly annoyed.

        • Custard Taht

          Yep, I heard his team mates thought him to be a bit preachy.

  • Seb V

    Haka fine is an over-reaction by media. it’s only a four figure sum to one of the richest rugby nations. I’m sure the V was okay, they got fined for crossing the half-way line. Do what you want but in your own half – sounds fair to me.

  • Happyman

    Fellow Drunks and fornicators

    Nice to see the Sevens players with some perspective on life. Well played I am normally a farm is a business and drought is one of the risks of doing that business. But I will get around this one.

    French Ref Advantage SA

    K Hunt seems to have turned his life around he is always going to be an addict. Hopefully he keeps it that way.

    Sprinkler dance who cares Joe Marler will make that back the first time he tells the story at an after dinner function.

    I would like to see the 7’s World cup in a non traditional country. Say Georgia, Germany, Spain etc

  • Keith Butler

    Well there’s a surprise unchanged teams for the final apart from Kolbe coming back in for the DDFs and Spencer in for the injured Heinz. Not much to chose between the two but it will be a war of attrition that could hinge on the finishers.

    • Nutta

      That is where it lies I reckon. Both sides have good locks (maybe slight Eng advantage). Both have decent scrums (although I say Jarpy advantage). Both have good but different backrows (Eng an almost Pooper approach even). Both have good kicking options from hand and ground. Both have basher centres and handy wingers. Both are very sound lineouts and both are very sound restart regathers. So I reckon it will come down to Finishers and I reckon the Jarpy’s have the edge there. Further, I reckon Sinkler, both Vunipola’s, Forde and Farrell have all spent all week on the physio table whilst I think the Jarpy’s are pretty healthy. That said it’s a two horse race and all that.

      • Keith Butler

        Yep, with a 6/2 bench you know exactly how the Saffas will play. Mind you the England forward replacements are no mugs.

  • RugbyM

    anyone know if the ‘don’t go beyond half way’ rule applies to teams facing other cultures challenges (e.g. Sipi Tau), or is this another special Darkness-only rule?

    • Yowie

      A related rule (for All Blacks and everyone else) is not going beyond the Great Seal if you obtain the Holy Grail cup from a really old knight.

    • It’s for everyone. I don’t remember the exact phrasing but it’s for the pre-game challenges rather than the Haka by name.

      The best response is still the Welsh stare-down where the AB stared back and the poor ref (Poite from memory) desperately tried to get them to stop staring at each other and actually start to play…

  • AllyOz

    an interesting photo of the girls adjusting their sports support equipment. I could have used a mansier in the last couple of year’s of my playing career but I don’t it would have looked as good.


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