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Thursday’s Rugby News

Thursdays Rugby News sees Round 2 squads, The Battle of the Broadcast, Dane Zander’s debut and Eden Park to host World Cup final 2021.


 

 

ROUND TWO SQUADS

Cameron Orr. Photo credit: Reds Rugby / Brendan Hertel

Cameron Orr. Photo credit: Reds Rugby / Brendan Hertel

Friday night sees another Aussie derby in Canberra when the Brumbies host the Melbourne Rebels.

Brumbies coming off a strong win against the Queensland Reds had made just one change due to injury, with Darcy Swain ruled out due to injury. Former Rebel and Red Cadeyrn Neville will get his first start for the Brumbies, with Nick Frost in line for a debut off the bench.

Noah Lolesio holds his starting spot after a strong debut performance at 10.

The Brumbies will be looking to continue their nine-match wining streak as they chase the record of 13 in a row.

The Rebels will be looking to make amends for last weeks poor performance that lead to their first loss against the Sunwolves.

“We are a good team that played badly. I don’t think we are a bad team,” Rebels coach Dave Wessels said.

“We were very unhappy with our performance in round one and that’s not to take anything away from the Sunwolves, they played very well,” Wessels said.

“But we weren’t happy with our level of physicality in the game, that’s where it started and we looked at that hard this week. We need to better on Friday night, we will be better on Friday night.

Wessels has made a handful of changes include his front row with Matt Gibbon and Ruan Smith replacing Fereti Sa’aga and Jermaine Ainsley. 

Michael Wells gets a first start, replacing Rob Leota at 7. Wallaby Luke Jones has been ruled out with back soreness, meaning a debut is on the cards for South African Gideon Koegelenberg.

Theo Strang and Andrew Deegan miss out on selection this week as Campbell Magnay returns from injury and there is another potential Rebels debut with reserve halfback Ryan Louwrens coming on the bench.

Melbourne Squad

1. Matt Gibbon 2. Anaru Rangi 3. Ruan Smith 4. Ross Haylett-Petty 5. Matt Philip 6. Angus Cottrell 7. Michael Wells 8. Isi Naisarani 9. Frank Lomani 10. Matt Toomua 11. Andrew Kellaway 12. Billy Meakes 13. Reece Hodge 14. Marika Koroibete 15. Dane Haylett-Petty

Res:

16. Steve Misa 17. Cameron Orr 18. Jermaine Ainsley 19. Gideon Koelenberg 20. Rob Leota 21. Richard Hardwick 22. Ryan Louwrens 23. Campbell Magnay

Brumbies Squad

1. Scott Sio 2. Folau Fainga’a 3. Allan Alaalatoa © 4. Murray Douglas 5. Cadeyrn Neville 6. Rob Valetini 7. Tom Cusack 8. Pete Samu 9. Joe Powell 10. Noah Lolesio 11. Tom Wright 12. Irae Simone 13. Tevita Kuridrani 14. Solomone Kata 15. Tom Banks

Reserves

16. Connal McInerney 17. Harry Lloyd 18. James Slipper 19. Nick Frost* 20. Will Miller 21. Ryan Lonergan 22. Bayley Kuenzle* 23. Andy Muirhead

CLUB RUGBY THE KEY TO BROADCASTING

The 2016 Shute Shield Launch. Photo by nswrugby.com.au

It would appear the key to the Rugby broadcasting deal could be the Shute Shield, with Rugby Australia and Fox Sports both out for the rights for the Sydney club competition.

Rugby Australia are hoping to create a broadcasting bundle, to include, club footy, Super Rugby and Test matches which appears to have hit a stalemate, with Fox Sports going straight to the Shute Shield

The Sydney Morning Herald are reporting a letter was sent to the head of NSRU along with Sydney Rugby Union board and the Shute Shield club presidents outlining a broadcast plan post 2020.

The Shute Shield is currently broadcast on the Seven Network and Club Rugby TV, with the deal in place until 2024.

The deal has heavy financial burdens on the Club competition  with SRU paying $250,000 to Seven and $50,000 to Club Rugby TV, and the Fox Sports deal would appear too good to be true.

The offer to Shute Shield from Fox Sports looks like this: The match of the round will be shown live on Fox Sports, with all other matches streamed live through Kayo Sports (with dedicated production crews at every match.) 

All finals matches will be shown on the main channel with the Match of the day shown on delay through the Seven Network.

This move would be enticing for many of the clubs, who would have all their matches now featured on the Kayo platform, thus creating more exposure for the club. Fox Sports also plans to handle the the $300,000 cost paid to Seven and Club Rugby TV.

The move from Fox comes as Rugby Australia begins to renegotiate its broadcasting deal, with Optus now presenting themselves as a competitor to Fox Sports, who have held the broadcast rights for 25 years.

Rugby Australia are looking to create a package that includes Club Rugby in Sydney and Brisbane, Super Rugby and Test Matches to create a 35 week per year product for broadcasters. 

MISISNG 1ST XV TO SUPER RUGBY

Dane Zander trial Reds v Rebels

At Nudgee College, Dane Zander failed to make the first XV. Three years on and he was packing down in the Reds front row against an Australian veteran prop.

After school he continue to ply his trade for Norths colts team before making his Premier Rugby debut in 2018 before getting a shot at the NRC, where he caught the eye of the man they call ‘Crapper’ Cameron Lillicrap.

At the end of the season Zander was called in for a meeting with Lillicrap and Queensland head coach Brad Thorn.

“After NRC I had a meeting with Thorny and Crapper and they said, you have an opportunity, but they just wanted me to drop a bit of weight,” Zander said.

“Same sort of thing as Feao (Fotuaika). They used that as an example, they said: ‘This happened to Feao, he came in and did the hard work and that’s what could happen to you if you do the hard work.’

“Thorny was just like, ‘You’ve got the talent, we just want to fix some things’ and that’s when I just wanted to put my head down and do the best I could and get my opportunity. They were giving me an opportunity, so I didn’t really want to waste it.”

The dream of a Queensland boy to represent the Reds was too good to pass up on.

“It’s always been my dream since I’ve been a little kid,” Zander said of being a Red.

“I still remember coming to the games when I was only five or six and I always wanted to be a Red, so it’s an amazing feeling.”

The 20-year old has shed 10kg in the off season, and earned his debut off the bench last Friday night. His 31 minute outing saw him pack down against former Red James Slipper and hold his own. So much so that he received praise from his Captain Liam Wright.

“Dane Zander against Slips (Slipper) performed really well and held his own in the scrum and got us some key ball when we needed him to.”

The young prop will join the Reds in travelling to South Africa, where he could face Springbok props, but that doesn’t phase Zander.

“I thought I’ve developed my scrummaging a lot, especially in NRC under Cameron Lillicrap I’ve learnt a heap off him and also playing with Ruan Smith and JP Smith too,” he said.

“And in defence, just trying to be as aggressive as I could.”

He also has a message to those chasing the dream of being a professional player.

“If you don’t play First XV or Australian Schoolboys, it doesn’t matter. As long as you just try and keep chipping away, you never know what can happen.”

 

EDEN PARK 2021 CONFIRMED

Eden Park Tour

Eden Park Tour

The Aukland fortress has been named as the venue for the Final of the 2021 Womens Rugby World Cup.

The tournament had previously been held in the Northern Hemisphere in the summer, will be moved to the Southern Hemisphere springtime, kicking off in mid September.

World Rugby chairman Bill Beaumont believes that this tournament has the best chance to help expand the womens game.

“Women’s rugby is the single-biggest opportunity to grow the global game, and we are confident that New Zealand 2021 will be one of the great Rugby World Cups, attracting a new fan and player base for the sport,” he said.

“RWC 2021 follows a hugely successful 2017 event in Ireland which broke attendance and broadcast records, having a hugely positive impact on women’s rugby. Last year we successfully launched ‘Try and Stop Us’, a campaign that aims to drive increased participation and engagement among fans, audiences, players and investors in the women’s game.

“It is a privilege to be here in New Zealand and to see the huge amount of work that has already gone into ensuring this will be another spectacular tournament for the world’s best women’s teams.”

New Zealand Rugby Chief Executive Mark Robinson is excited that NZ could host the tournament for the first time.

“This is an event we are very excited to be hosting and we can’t wait to have the world’s best women’s teams play here.  The Black Ferns love playing at home and I know they are excited at the prospect of retaining the Rugby World Cup at home.

“Together with the support from Central Government, Ministry of Business, Innovation and Employment, Auckland Tourism, Events and Economic Development, and Whangarei District Council we are committed to working alongside World Rugby to deliver an exciting event that continues to grow the game and deliver benefits for rugby in New Zealand and globally.

“As part of the bid team that presented to World Rugby in Dublin in 2018, it is now a real privilege to continue to be involved in the delivery of the tournament and to see preparations come to life.

“We share World Rugby’s global ambition to get more women and girls involved in rugby and RWC 2021 is a great way to showcase women’s rugby at an elite level and provide inspiration for boys and girls to get involved in our game.”

 

  • Bobas

    Kayo is gone after the super rugby season.

    • KwAussie Rugby Lover

      As in you cancel the subscription or is it switched off? I’ve got RugbyPal here in Korea and it’s awesome

      • Missing Link

        Is that the one which always seems to show the DPRKRUFC beating the All Blacks by 100 points?

        • Bobas

          Kim Jong makes Lomu look like my cat

        • John Tynan

          Gold!

      • Bobas

        I cancel, no point having it when every other sport is covered well enough by FTA

        • KwAussie Rugby Lover

          Fair enough

    • Keith Butler

      Bugger.

      • Bobas

        I mean a lot of cancelled subscribers

    • Brisneyland Local

      Yep. I cancel my membership at the end of the Super Season, then renew it at the start.

      • Bobas

        but now you wont have to renew it, because RA has done that chess move where you switcheroo your king and rook, I can’t remember what it’s called.

        • Timbo

          the Castle move? oh I see what you did there…

        • Brisneyland Local

          Yep. Optus something a rather it will be. I reckon after Raylene they should call it the Optus Pirate Broadcast! ;-)

  • KwAussie Rugby Lover

    Thanks Dylan, I’m not sure the constant team changes which appeared to be part of the Rebels play last season and is continuing this season is actually that helpful. It seems as though Wessels can’t really decide who his best team is and the players don’t seem to get a chance to settle down. I think the Brumbies will see them off easily.

    Not sure if RA are doing the right thing tying SS into any TV deal. TBH that competition does bugger all for me and even if they do get something tied in I probably wont watch much of it anyway. I’d rather see NPC games along with the Super and test matches. I hope this isn’t why the Sydney elite have been quiet lately and it’s a payoff for them to pull their heads in over other RA business – there’s a good conspiracy for you.
    Great story for Zander and good to see the road he travelled. I hope he keeps getting better.
    The women’s RWC should se some good rugby. I like the way they’re bringing this into the test matches between the ABs and the Wallabies. The games are actually really good and you can see the Wallaroos getting better with more games.

  • Crescent

    Reportedly, Foxtel has walked away from RA (caveat – heavily reported by News Corp, the owner of Foxtel and with a vested interest in pushing the doom and gloom angle). Fairfax is reporting Foxtel are trying to get SS as a standalone element, buying out their current FTA deal. Interesting times ahead if all the above is factually correct.

    • John Tynan

      I have next to no interest in Shute Shield being my replacement for SuperRugby TV viewing – besides the kick off times for TV, I will be at my local Qld Club watching that.

      • Crescent

        I suspect that is the big misstep from Fox. The kick off time is problematic for many, and for those that care, they are usually at the ground supporting their club. Also, why would a rugby fan outside of Sydney have a reason to care about Shute Shield? I love my rugby, but am not invested in the Premier Rugby comp because I am not from QLD – I just don’t have a reason to care deeply.

        • Yowie

          I am not from QLD

          Not to worry. None of us are perfect.

        • Crescent

          News just to hand: Poey reveals birthplace is not Gweru, Zimbabwe, but Gatton QLD.

          Always knew he was hiding something!

        • Yowie
        • John Tynan

          It’s like NPC (but not as good to watch..) – I’ll watch NPC when I’m waiting for other rugby to come on, but it’s usually Fri or Sat evening, I have a beer and occupying the couch. I don’t go seeking it out.

        • Who?

          It’s just an attempt to fracture the RA board and elites. Isn’t it funny that Kearnsy and JON have gone quiet the last few weeks, after all the complaints about Castle..? Given they were getting backed by the SRU and SS Clubs? Who now have Fox courting them, trying to use them to break up RA’s plans? Which would then weaken Castle, and given the SRU a shot at seizing power…?

  • The Jackal

    Someone better tell Optus they are bidding for the rugby rights, I think they will be surprised to find out. No way the rugby doesn’t end up on Fox. Just some hard ball negotiating being played out in public.

    How bad are they going at the moment lost all disney content the other day as well. People will laugh about rugby having no fans and as long as fox have cricket, NRL & afl they will be fine but it will hurt their bottom line. A lot of the 20+ year subscribers who fork out $150/month will be gone. You need to get 6 new Kayo subscribers paying peanuts to replace one of those big spenders. Good luck with that

    • Crescent

      I have to say, if Foxtel do not renew rugby, my only reason to hold a subscription is gone.

    • Huw Tindall

      Wonder if RA would be tempted to buy a production house and do it yourself. Maybe a joint venture with someone to get in the skills and keep RA board politics away from professional broadcasting. Cut out the middle man. It’s the kind of radical strategy they need.

    • Hannes En Brianda Barnard

      I think we will find that there will be rugby union on Fox even if Rugby Australia signs with another party. Fox play a bigger hand with 6 Nations, Top 14, EPL, Pro 14, GRR and Shute Shied all looking for a platform to broadcast their competitions and raising revenue. There is a lot of content available and all Fox needs to do is to divide and conquer. Rugby Australia is using the Rugby Championships to get a good deal for the ailing Superugby competition, but as Rugby Australia is so fragmented it will be difficult for Rugby Australia to hold their line. If Fox offers a good enough deal to NSWRU/Sydney RU to broadcast Shute Shield or to Mindaroo for the GRR, they will surely take it even if it is at Rugby Australia’s expense. Pulver’s spreadsheet may be missing a couple of rows above the bottom line.

      • AllyOz

        I think you make a good point Hannes. There is an argument that Optus would have an interest in the FFA as it would make it the overarching broadcaster for all football but picking up Australian rugby product on its own – even if its all of it – still means you have to go elsewhere for 6 nations etc and also Mitre 10 cup etc. I am not sure if buying Australian rugby as a standalone, rather as a suite in a wider rugby offering, would be as attractive and Fox might still be able to claim some Australian rugby content with GRR and the domestic comp.

        The Murdoch group are also influential elsewhere. At the moment we only get good coverage in the SMH and the Australian. The tabloids are pro-league and anti-rugby and the only likelihood of getting a rugby story in them seems to come down to discussion around an ex-league player who has gone to rugby (IF or SBW etc) or if there is some sort of negative scandal. It’s hard to see them becoming anymore disinterested but if the Oz pulls back its rugby coverage, for interest, then it will be even harder for us to maintain our relevance.

        Also it might be a great opportunity to bring GRR into the mainstream. A time zone friendly comp on the former home of rugby and, if they can build the standard further and start picking up more of the available Australian players (like the few that will be available after the Sunwolves fold or direct from SS etc) then maybe that could really grow when up against a Super Rugby Comp that is declining in popularity.

      • Who?

        The fragmentation is indeed the key here. Fox knows that the SRU has no consideration for Rugby outside their own patch, they’re always ready to cause trouble for RA, and hence the approach. They don’t actually want the Shute Shield – it’s an amateur comp in a city with a time zone that makes the games irrelevant to any other region.
        .
        The fact that Castle’s gone to market is nothing more than procedure. All these back room deals for sporting rights have seen governments looking ever more closely at them, and sooner or later a closed tender for such a package will see administrators dragged before the courts. It means that Fox has to compete, at a time when their books are looking terrible, and their future looks even worse. So of course, the Murdoch papers are proclaiming the failings of Rugby in general and RA (especially related to the rights) to benefit the Murdoch broadcaster.
        .
        There’s another opening for all the other Rugby content. RugbyPass. Who knows – we could end up in a situation where RugbyPass is a viable option in Australia for Super Rugby without geoblocking/VPN’s/etc..?

        • Hannes En Brianda Barnard

          It may force rugby to renew its approach to how it use their content. PayTV has been challenged by technology. Whoever owns the content will be king.

  • Anyone at GAGR know how to stream?
    I’ll pay my subs I promise.

    • Yowie

      Anyone at GAGR know how to stream?

      Is that the Union equivalent of knowing how to “bubble”?

      • Different technique.
        Must be supporting their own weight etc..

        • Yowie

          It annoys me that some have been streaming from the side for years with no sanction applied.

        • Thats incorrect entry, an entirely different law.
          Maybe I’ll just leave it at that…

    • Mortahs Incoming – custardtaht

      Nope, but my mate Anthony Weinstein does, I’ll ask him.

  • Keith Butler

    I have a feeling that the Rebs will be taken apart upfront. Where is Luke Jones – injured.

    • Hoss

      Brumbie piggies will be licking their chops mate. It’s eatin time.

      • Keith Butler

        It’s mullering time. Loss by at least 20 pts I fear.

        • Hoss

          That’s some old English right there KB. I haven’t heard that since early 90’s around the Bath / Bristol regions.

        • Keith Butler

          But not Olde English. Going back to my roots mate.

        • Yowie

          Good to see you re-claim that Englishness now that the shackles of Brussels aren’t holding you back from using certain figures of speech.

        • Keith Butler

          Being a relatively new arrival to Gods Own Country I have yet to acquire the full vocabulary of Australian colloquiuism – posh tork from a Sarf London boy but I do remember one from my first trip Downunder “well kick my dawg”. Just rolls off the tongue.

  • Hoss

    Morning Shaggers,

    Fascinating corporate hijinks and some shrewd maneuvering for sure. In all of this i have to give props to The Pirate. Bundle it all up, apply a tightening squeeze to the testicle area (money) of News Corp, hold their gaze and see who blinks first. In the meantime already have garnered support from the minions in all other areas of the code. organised a second interested party to stir the pot and veolah – show me the money.

    FUX’s pitch for Club Rugger screams of ‘shit, we’ve been out flanked – aim for their tanks and hope we hit something that might slow them down.

    I am truly impressed with Ms Castles stewardship to date. This will be extremely interersting to see how it plays out. My tip, FOX come in late with a BIG offer at the 11th hour. As the Jackal says below – good luck replacing $150 / month 20 year plus bolt-on’s FUX – i am one of em. No rugby, no Hoss.

    • Yowie

      With the big play in the Murdoch press today about “Fox is out of Rugby”, I’d laugh if their data-tracking of subscriptions showed a load of cancellations starting this morning.

      • Hoss

        Its double-bluff isn’t it mate. Send a message to other bidders / interested parties you’re out. Lower market value / expectations and then become re-interested at the death hoping other parties have deserted / or come in at lower offers and you get the price, or near enough too, that you wanted from the start.

    • Damo

      I wish I shared your optimism Hoss. Somehow I feel this is a bit of a race to the bottom. In a property industry analogy we usually take a property to auction if it is something unique, valuable, sought after and we’re looking to see how high the market will go- or the product is crap and we’re trying to flush out punters who are looking for a bargain.
      Rugby in this country is not crap and there is much to be optimistic about, but in terms of broadcast rights think the bargain hunters are hovering. I agree with you that RC is doing a good job but like most things she has faced since she has been in the job she is trying to create something out of what she has been dealt by her asleep at the wheel Board. It won’t take long for Cameron Clyne to list the positive legacies he has left when he gives his departing speech to the Board. In fact I think he may have already picked up another gig. The Democrats Iowa Caucuses has his fingerprints all over it.
      Like you, if Fox walk away from rugby then my subscription finishes. In fact I think they will need a bigger call centre to handle the cancellations.

      • Hoss

        All good points Damo and certainly there is no reward without a modicum of risk involved. I don’t think RC has bet the house on one particular tactic. IMO she has played the long game expecting to be knee-capped first up by FUX and perhaps prepared in advance accordingly by busying herself in building a quorum amongst relevant parties. FOX have been signalling for ages through various News mouthpieces they were going to ‘short-call’ the market with a low offer, which is dumb, you dont tell the other parties, in advance, of your negotiating tactic and then get humpty when they go to market.

        • Yowie

          …dumb like a Fox!

        • Hoss

          Yep. They should have done a Raelene. Clandestine meetings with various stakeholders, sell the ‘vision’ (dangle the WIFM carrott) and then quietly sit at negotiations and say ‘we have Groups A,B & C already on board – here’s our offer’ and gently slide the piece of folded up paper with a ‘check mate’ offer on it and then enjoy the squirming from the other side of the table.

          Really is a thing of beauty, or so i am told.

  • LBJ

    Some pretty interesting negotiating going on here and it’ll be good sport watching it unfold.
    ||
    Credit to Castle for being bold, but only the outcome matters, and it seems she really needs Shute Shield to sign up to her “End2End” rugby product – and they probably will – or else Fox wont need to come back to the table and she doesn’t have a competitive bidding process to run. I’m pretty shocked that she didn’t have them signed up already.
    ||
    Make no mistake, Optus as the sole broadcast partner would be an utter disaster. People are right to point out the bias of the News media during the negotiating process – but it runs deeper – They possess an extraordinary influence in Australian media, (across FTA TV; Press; Radio & Online) and all support across all of those mediums evaporates if the deal is done exclusively with Optus…! Rightly or otherwise – that’s just how it plays out.
    ||
    Further, there are many in Sydney (I’m one of them) who are skeptical about the ‘best intentions’ that the ARU has for Shute Shield – and with good reason, there isn’t any track record of support for the comp, in fact there is a good deal of contempt for the Shute at the ARU. I understand the lack of interest in SS form outside NSW (although i disagree) because if you aren’t from NSW, what does it mean to you? But I believe a strong, independent SS is a very good thing for rugby.
    ||
    I have to admit, I’d like to see if there is a prospect of the Shute Shield (possibly in association over time with ACT and Bris. Premier Rugby) succeeding and prospering – the Fox & Channel 7 deal provides the opportunity for that to happen – building on the very strong growth flowing form the association with Channel 7 (with just one game live on 7two).
    ||
    The other curious item is the absence of Global Rapid Rugby as part of these general discussions?
    – does anyone have any insight into that? and who their broadcast partners are?

  • Brisneyland Local

    Morning GAGR’s,
    Well this will make for interesting times wont it. My random thoughts whilst gazing out the window.
    – Well if Fox have walked away which it looks like they have, RA are fucked!
    – Surely Raylene has to be on wood now? She will have to pull a miracle out of her back side now.
    – I bet that $50mil Twiggy offered looks pretty good now.
    – Shute Shield. Seriously who outside of Sydney gives a fuck. I would rather watch NZ NPC. Watching Shute Shield, as Hoss once stated, is like trying to watch a retards fuck a door knob. Low skills, crappy rugby and no interest.
    – Am looking forward to this weeks round. I enjoyed last weeks.
    Over to you GAGR’s

    • Hoss

      In my defence, i have seen some very attractive door knobs though. Particularly those French ones, they are just asking for it.

      • Yowie

        I have trouble finding the locking latch…according to Mrs Yowie

      • Brisneyland Local

        Yes they are rather ornate!

    • Damo

      Promoting competitions called “Shute Shield” and “Hospital Cup”. There’s a challenge for the marketing department.

      • Yowie

        “Hospital Cup” sounds like a Yank pro wrestling competition.

        • Damo

          Or that thing they keep under the bed in Ward 3c.

      • Brisneyland Local

        Yep! The Poop Shute Shield! That has my vote.

        • Damo

          I can think of about a dozen responses to this BL- all of which would get me kicked off this page!

        • Brisneyland Local

          Lets hear them!

        • Yowie

          If it’s an 8-point list of people who are going to hell, might be best to keep schtumm about it.

        • Brisneyland Local

          True, but I was batting 6/8 on that list. So I know I am going there. Besides I sold my soul to satan decades ago!

        • Yowie

          Does he p!ss people around like a Gumtree buyer?

        • Brisneyland Local

          Nope. Handshake deal, keeps his word!

        • Yowie

          hahahahaha, that you know of so far. Part 2 has yet to kick off.

        • Brisneyland Local

          She gave me what I needed. The rest is up to him when I snuff it.

        • Yowie

          I thought that the sponsorship talks with Poop Industries Ltd were confidential!

        • Brisneyland Local

          Sorry did I let that shit slip?

        • KwAussie Rugby Lover

          TBH is there anyone outside where these teams play who give a flying fuck about them?

        • Brisneyland Local

          NSWelsh people over seas?

    • KwAussie Rugby Lover

      Hey mate. Be interesting to know how much of this is Castle and how much is Fux and others. Unfortunately rugby just doesn’t have the stigma or support that AFL and NRL has here so it was always going to be difficult. The shit results over the last 5 years have only added to this so I can sort of understand where the TV people are coming from. You’d only give lots of money if you were getting it back and Australian Rugby has lost a lot of support here in Australia as well as overseas. Too many losses, too many shit performances and people just aren’t excited seeing them turn up

      • Brisneyland Local

        There is no doubt old boy that it is a perfect storm. BUt when you are the CEO, you own the result. All of the clubs have stated that they need exactly the same as the present deal just to survive.
        They are not going to get that. So some one is going down. None of the clubs will have the money survive. RA will barely be able to survive.
        If they had signed a new deal with Twiggy they would have had more on the table and some better backing. Argghhhhh it is just fucked.

  • Mart

    In more positive news…Good to see Caydern Neville back playing in Aus !

    He’s a skillfull second rower and with the last exodus looks like we’ll need him firing

    • Keith Butler

      One of the many mistakes made by the Rebels regarding player management. And it still goes on.

  • Reds Revival

    I previously worked for WIN TV, who broadcast Ten programming to the wilderness – (everyone knows that the world ends at the outer limits of the capital cities). TEN were massively interested in securing the cricket rights after they had done such a good job of building up the Big Bash. They then had the rug pulled from under them at the 11th hour by 7 and Fox. TEN will be extremely interested in securing live sport with the view to building an audience (as they did with the BBL). With a major US company as their backer, they will have the funds to “make Rugby great again”.
    I, for one, am hopeful that it will be an Optus/TEN joint bid, as that will be the best thing for growing the sport.

    • Do we dare to dream?

      • Reds Revival

        As supporters of both the Reds and the Wallabies Sully, we are used to dreaming, so why not add this one to the list…

        • Brisneyland Local

          No we are used to losing!

    • Who?

      Ten’s always had that done by 7. 7 owned the ATCRA for years, and reduced coverage until it was invisible. 10 took on the rights, and suddenly V8 SuperCars were HUGE!!! So huge that 7 had to massively overpay to get it back.
      The same happened with the AFL. Also in Qld, they were nothing on 7, but we had Acker joking with Brad on Ten News a couple of nights a week, the Lions won some premierships, and it was everywhere. SO 7 overpaid again, though they’ve done a somewhat better job at retaining visibility in Qld with AFL than they did with V8’s (at least partially thanks to the advent of the multi-channel network).
      .
      I’d love to see WIN/10 take on Rugby – they have a great record in these situations.

      • Yowie

        As long as 9 stays well away. I’ve never forgiven 9 for how they treated their free-to-air rights to the 2011 World Cup. Eg broadcasting a game (because they have to) but hiding it on Gem and publishing a misleading TV guide that made no mention of the game.

        • Who?

          I’d love to see 9 bid, but not involved. Bid to push the price up, but not involved because even back in the lead up to 2011 it made absolutely no sense for the Rugby League network to own Rugby Union games. I couldn’t believe that JON decided going to 9 was a good idea…

        • Yowie

          In the Packer days when 9 was the cashed-up king of the TV stations by a long margin, they had a habit of buying good shows then not running them just to deny their competitor stations the opportunity.

          (according to the book “Who Killed Channel 9?” )

        • Who?

          These days that seems to be 7. Thinking about Scrubs, and many other shows (many of which I wouldn’t watch, but…).
          9 don’t seem to have the intelligence or financial strength to do that sort of thing anymore.

        • Yowie

          A lot of the 9 talent went to 7 when the wheels started coming off. The book is quite an interesting read if you can find a copy.

          Eg Kerry Packer’s various gamesmanship-style antics with his senior 9 executives.

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