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Tuesday’s rugby news has Saracens setting their sights on Will Skelton, Wallabies taking it a day at a time, Tim Wash signs 18 year old Shanice Parker and Eddie Jones keeping his distance.


Saracens Interested

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English premiership club Saracens have declared their interest in Wallaby second rower Will Skelton.

Saracens have already suffered injuries this year to second rowers George Kruis and Maro Itoje who will be out until December.

“Skelton is one of the players we are looking at,” the Saracens director of rugby, Mark McCall, said.

“He is in Australia’s touring party and what we want, given the young second rows we have coming through, is someone who will add value.

“We are not looking for someone who is ordinary. Michael Rhodes filled in for us against Leicester and did really well. He has only played in the second row occasionally, but was happy to fit in.”

One Day at a Time

Wallabies coach Michael Cheika insists that the side is taking a day by day approach to achieving the Grand Slam.

“I think that it’s very important for players to have dreams of achieving the bigger picture items. I really do, I believe that’s important,” he said.

“If you don’t have those dreams inside of you, then what are you doing it for?

“But the reality is that in a series like this and a tour like this it’s only the next day that counts.

“That’s in the background but that will only come to fruition when we’re excellent every day and our players are learning.”

Walsh Signs Young Gun

Women’s Sevens coach Tim Walsh has signed 18 year old Shanice Parker for the 2016/2017 Sevens World Series.

Parker switched to sevens from rugby league in 2014 and made the national youth Sevens team, winning a Youth Olympic gold with the team.

“Shanice has a been a promising Rugby Sevens talent since she made her debut for Western Australia at the National Youth Sevens Championship in 2014,” he said.

“Shanice has worked hard when called upon to train with the Aussie Sevens team and has shown that she has what it takes to be a part of this squad.

“A jack of all trades and a master of some; her speed, footwork and contact skills will make her a valuable asset to this team.

“She is a versatile player and possess the attributes to be an Australian Women’s Sevens player.”

Jones Keeping Distance

England coach Eddie Jones has attributed his success to keeping his distance from his players and not forming any emotional attachment.

“I don’t think they (the players) are frightened but in any high-performance environment you need a certain level of discomfort,” he said.

“As a coach, the players are never your friends.

“You have a great deal of respect for them but you’ve got to have a certain level of emotional distance because you’re in a working situation and half the week you’re telling them you love them, and then there’s some parts of the week you’re telling players they’re not going to play.”

  • Nicholas

    Saracens can have him. Give Ned Hannigan a crack.

    • Dud Roodt

      Ned Hannigan looks 60kgs ringing wet – he needs A LOT of physical development before he’s given a crack at international level, let along a regular SR spot

      • Tomthusiasm

        Couple of Aussie locks playing Mitre 10 cup look the goods, Ben Matwijow and Dave McDuling.

        • Simon

          Both ex-Reds who were surplus to requirements. Typical of the bloody Reds, guys have to leave the club and then you find out they’re actually great players. The Force must be happy with picking up Matwijow.

          Is Marco Kotze still kicking around in Mitre 10? I know he played for Tasman last year.

        • Westo

          Bit harsh, the Reds develop a shit load of players who are often pilfered. Furthermore the poorly executed retention policy of Graham no doubt added to this.

        • USARugger

          Both were already known to be good players when they were at the Reds – who are very deep on locks this year. You can’t sign and retain every single player that shows any kind of promise, that’s not how it works.

          McDuling has also been a lame horse as often as he’s been a good player during his pro rugby career. It’s hard to retain guys that spend 8 games a season in the infirmary.

        • Tomthusiasm

          Probably stuck behind Simmons or Horwill. Good signing for the Force, hopefully Matwijow can cement his spot there. Google just told me Kotze is in France with Agen.

      • Bay35Pablo

        As opposed to Skelton who still looks like an oversized 17 year old who’s had too many pies, and is relying on size over skills or nous in his age group.

        • Dud Roodt

          While we can all talk about how shit Skelton in, as he definitely warrants it, he’s trimmed down considerably over the year.
          I don’t think I’m speaking heresy by saying Ned Hannigan is still a couple of years away from earning and deserving a Wallabies gig.

      • jamie

        He’s listed at 110kg. Probably fairly standard for a 20 year old lock.

        • Dud Roodt

          If he is 110 kilos I will eat my hat. I don’t actually have a hat, but you get the jist

  • Nutta

    So we brush ourselves off, check our studs are still tight and pack some fresh undies for the annual Northern Adventure. C’arn Wobblies!!

  • The Jackal

    Can we talk about where are these matches being televised?

    FoxSports didn’t buy the rights to the Spring Tour this year as they are really expensive.

    BEIN sports has the rights to the Wales, Scotland and Ireland Tests but at the moment no one has bought the France or England games for broadcast in Australia.

    BEIN has a smattering of other games but not all of them like NZ v Ireland this weekend or any of the Baa Baas matches.

    Is this the future where broadcast rights are too expensive to justify purchasing?

    • RugbyReg

      worrying times isn’t it Jackal? ARU have no say in this at the moment. All rights with the host country. What a shambles.

      • Thoms

        Is that not the way it is done with these internationals? It is the exact same for TV companies in the Northern Hemisphere.

    • Muzz

      So can we watch these games anywhere? Some Bein channels are available in the sports package of Foxtel though.

      • Thoms

        All of their channels operating here come with the sports package now after Fox lost the EPL

        • Muzz

          Ok so from what Jackal says the Scotland, Ireland and Wales games are on Bein sports but France and England aren’t. And none of it’s on free to air. That’s a bit fucked isn’t it.
          So on the off-chance that Australia is shooting for a grand slam in the game v England it won’t be televised anywhere in Australia.

        • Braveheart81

          No broadcaster confirmed yet for the France and England games. I wouldn’t assume that they won’t be shown in Australia at all. That would be highly unusual.

        • Muzz

          Yeah but things will need to change pretty quick. Here’s hoping they do.

        • Thoms

          Purely commercial operations. if they are chasing a grand-slam there will be lots of competition for it without a doubt.

          The England game is probably the most expensive to get the rights to right now and could be a damp squib if the Wallabies only have wins against Scotland and Wales going into it.

          I would just guess that negotiations are on-going.

      • onlinesideline

        You can watch live on http://www.vipbox.tv

        I watched all RC and RWC on this – its free – its one fo those Pay per Click sites – just click on rugby box – find the game – pick a link – usually theres 4 to choose – i usually pick the 2nd link – an ad will appear on screen – wait 30 secs and it will dissappear – im 99 percent they will cover all November matches – may not be listed today but will appear few hours before KO

    • Seb V

      I’m expecting I’ll miss a crap load of rugby this season unless a replay is uploaded somewhere easily accessible.

      • onlinesideline

        You can watch live on http://www.vipbox.tv

        I watched all RC and RWC on this – its free – its one fo those Pay per Click sites – just click on rugby box – find the game – pick a link – usually theres 4 to choose – i usually pick the 2nd link – an ad will appear on screen – wait 30 secs and it will dissappear – im 99 percent they will cover all November matches – may not be listed today but will appear few hours before KO

        • Seb V

          I watch my super xv on there, quality ain’t the best and my internet is a bit slow so it gets quite laggy! Sometimes I give up and close it down.

    • Wallaby Dave

      Latest write up in the Murdoch press is that negotiations regarding the France and England tests are ongoing. BEin is now included in the Fox Sports package. Fingers crossed they pull their fingers out and sort out a deal before those two tests. Bit of a joke really

    • Westo

      I live in London and am without Sky for my Super Rugby….So I watch it all at Cric Free…I also like NFL, its all there All the international games are also streamed but only in SD. You have to navigate through ads but not too hard [AND DONT DOWNLOAD ANYTHING AS YOU DONT NEED TO] http://cricfree.tv/rugby-live-streaming

  • Bay35Pablo

    What does it tell you about European clubs that Saracens are looking at a player under contract? They just assume if they wave enough cash they can buy him out. And bugger looking domestically, or have depth where they have a young pup in reserves beating on the door, just buy an SH player.
    Lazy.

    • Thoms

      They have a lot more cash and have a lot more teams.

      We’ve 5 professional teams in elite rugby. SH has 18 and plays in a competition that is, let’s be honest, a complete and utter joke. Lots of clubs operating beneath this level, many paying.

      In the elite league system France has 70 teams, England has 40 teams, Ireland has 4, Wales has 4, Scotland has 2 and Italy has 2. All commercially viable leagues that have followings, people watch them on TV and go to games. As above, lots of clubs operating beneath this level, many paying.

      Edit: Obviously loads more teams who are pro in the SH beneath Super Rugby but you get my drift!

      • Keith Butler

        England has 24 professional teams but you can discount most of the Championship teams. No England squad players from that division.

    • McWarren

      I agree mate, but look at Cheika already eyeing up getting Beale home early. Beale, on a $3m contract, had his knee fixed by Wasps to maybe play half a season. I’d like to see the ARU and Wallabies take some high ground for once, make there player serve out his obligation, use his absence to look at other options and welcome him back in two years to fight for his spot again. At the very least the next Beale may have some reservations about heading overseas in his prime for the mega bucks.

      But in saying that, lets let them have Will. It might actually do him good.

      • Thoms

        The get-out clause is in his contract. We’d be doing nothing wrong. They all knew the risks putting it in there. It’s professional sport. If we can get our best player back then that would be great.

        His versatility would have solved so many selection problems this year.

        Edit: Also maybe it would put European clubs off poaching our players. Talk of moral highground is moot when this is going on. If you hire someone as a mercenary they will act as such.

        • McWarren

          I never said we were doing anything wrong. I’m just saying it leaves a bitter taste in the mouth. Nothing wrong with taking the moral high ground either. Its says to KB, you’ve made your choice, Wasps have rehabilitated you, now you need to repay the favour, if you don’t like it, well stay and play in Australia. Play hard ball and maybe in 1,2 or 5 years time the next Kurtley Beale will be recuperating at home getting ready for SR and the RC rather than about to start playing on his dodgy knee again for Wasp’s.

        • Thoms

          What if he’s not happy there? He’s had demons before.

          We’re playing within the rules.

          Maybe this would stop them poaching our players.

        • McWarren

          I don’t think KB feeling home sick is going to stop NH clubs signing SH players. As I said to BH above, if he leaves of his own free will then so be it. But if Cheika is encouraging it, then I think that stinks. Sorry thats my point, outside influence on a player to leave a club that has invested in him, that has rehabilitated him, that honoured its contract even though the guys had a long term injury.

        • Peter Morse

          What a crock of shite. So its OK for European teams to approach our players at any time, but its not OK for Cheika to talk those players into coming back at any time? So you defend the European based team’s right to their “investment” but not Australian rugby’s right to their long term “investment” in a player. What a load of hypocritical nonsense. We should be fighting tooth and nail for players like Beale. NH clubs have no conscience what so ever about ripping the guts out of SH teams and you think we should roll on our backs for them with our feet in the air? Take the money and do them over.

        • jamie

          That isn’t the problem. McWarren thinks we should allow Beale to honour his contract by playing for 3 years up there (or was it 2)

          Very, very rarely do Euro teams come here and pick up a player mid-contract. In fact, I can’t recall one example bar SBW from league.

        • Peter Morse

          Like Kepu and Douglas.
          Cheika to Beale “how are you going mate, are you enjoying it up here”,
          Beale “Nah miss me mates and my family”.
          Cheika “Well let us know when you’re ready to come home, we’ll keep your spot warm and help you with your contract”.
          Beale’s decision whether or not to honour his contract is up to him and his manager.
          Its Cheika’s job to try and get the best possible players pulling on the Wallaby jersey, it would be remiss of him if he didn’t try and get valuable players like Beale back.

          Just another thing to try and beat up Cheika with.

        • McWarren

          Or:
          Cheika to Beale “how is the knee mate”
          Beale “yeah bloody good mate, all this soft grass and rehab, better than its ever been”
          Cheika “great stuff, listen in my opinion we’re in need of inside backs at Wallabies, so if you want to come back theres a spot for you”
          Beale “thats exactly why I put in a get out clause, i’ll tell them i’m homesick and be home in time for Christmas”.

          Write it up whatever way you like. Beale should do the right thing and stay and play for Wasps.

        • Peter Morse

          Not if he’s not happy and I would say that based on history he won’t last long there and that’s perfect, it might make the European clubs think twice before plundering our player ranks. You’re naive if you think players aren’t approached while still under contract.

        • McWarren

          At what point did I say Clubs don’t approach players still under contract? What I am saying is the ARU should not get involved in it and that I don’t believe Wasps did it in the case of KB.

        • McWarren

          See above

        • McWarren

          How eloquently put Peter.

          No Peter its not okay for European clubs to approach our players at any time to persuade them to break a contract. Just as it is not okay for Cheika to do the same. Not one ounce of hypocrisy in what I am saying. I believe KB was off contract at the end of the SR season so Wasps were perfectly entitled to make an offer. I think Australia rugby can protect the long term investment in all there players by making it less attractive for these guys to go overseas. Take away all the carrots of a Wallaby jersey and they may just hang around in SR where we can all reap the benefits and the ARU can better manage their investment.

          But hey that would be a long term strategic way of thinking about it. That sort of carry on has no place in the ARU or Wallaby coaching ranks.

        • Braveheart81

          At the end of the day, it’s the player’s choice. If they use a get-out clause to end their contract early they’re probably going to make it difficult for themselves to sign another lucrative overseas contract anytime soon.

          I don’t think it has anything to do with the ARU. If Beale did decide to leave his contract the Waratahs and the ARU would be happy to re-sign him because he’s clearly important to them.

          If he got injured towards the end of his contract with Wasps (after signing a new contract with someone else) then his new team would be left paying for his recovery. If he hadn’t signed a new contract he’d be shit out of luck. It’s the nature of professional sport.

        • McWarren

          Except that from reports, and I accept it is from reports, Cheika is sounding him out. If Beale leaves of his own free will with no influence from the ARU or Cheika then fine. But if Cheika is encouraging it, I don’t like that.

        • Braveheart81

          There is no doubt Cheika has an open dialogue with him as he does with Australian players at teams around the world as well as in Australia. Likewise coaches and officials from club sides around the world talk to players under contract they are interested in. Whether someone has a current contract or not is irrelevant. It is the nature of professional sport and employment in general. Most people don’t wait until they are unemployed to look for a new job and headhunters etc. don’t wait until someone they are after is unemployed before trying to recruit them.

        • McWarren

          Yep agreed, but comparing actions of professional sports with the goings on of the common workplace is like comparing apples with oranges. Lets face it if KB was held to the same standard as I am in my workplace, he would be driving a truck now. But if we are using that analogy then the next time a KB or Hooper or Pocock bugger off os for the $’s I don’t want to hear whinging and complaining from Cheika and the ARU about it being unfair or underhanded or not showing loyalty etc.

          I think Cheika’s open dialogue is okay if he is talking to KB about playing for the Wallabies, or about returning to oz at the end of his contract with Wasps. But IMO I think the term ‘open dialogue’ is code for ‘openly influencing’. As stated by Thoms below, KB has his demons, I just hope Cheika is playing or banking on those demons.

    • Braveheart81

      They are only looking for an injury joker contract to fill a void for a short period of time.

      • USARugger

        Nah mate it’s a fucking conspiracy

    • USARugger

      Pretty sure it’s as a medical joker, so he’d be playing for all of a few weeks. These deals have happened before.

    • jamie

      It says that clearly they don’t watch enough Waratah Games…

    • Haz

      In Sarries’ defence they are 3 players down in the second row

  • Tomthusiasm

    Wallabies vs Wales – BeIN Sports 1 from 1:30am AEST, Sunday morning

    • Greg

      yikes….. I have only just realised that there seems to be no free-to-air.

      Is there no free coverage?

      • Braveheart81

        Nope. Not at this stage. None of the FTA networks purchased the rights.

    • McWarren

      looks like its a Wiziwig evening for me then.

    • jamie

      Pretty sure you mean AEDT?

      • Tomthusiasm

        You’re right, how embarrassing!

        • jamie

          Didn’t want to confuse the uncivilised fellows up North ;-)

      • McWarren

        So is that 12.30am up here in the deep north?
        Bet ya wish ya didn’t have daylight saving now!

        • jamie

          I’m 19. I’m still only at Pre-Drinks at 1:30 on a Satdy night

        • McWarren

          I’m not not 19 and don’t waste my time with pre drinks. What are pre drinks?

        • jamie

          Surely it isn’t a new concept? Having a few drinks before one goes out to save money/not waste time in the venue?

          It’s very strange debating with you about Higgers on one comment thread and discussing my drinking habits with you on another. LOL

    • aj

      Nice I might actually be off work and able to watch it live for once.

  • Seb V

    I think Cheika should take note from Eddie about forming any emotional attachment. Eg. Mumm, Foley.

    • Goose Step Ghandi

      I agree, Mumm wouldn’t even be in the Zimbabwe starting 15. We got much better blokes running around in the NRC.

  • Brisneyland Local

    Well to be honest Skelton departing would be no real loss.
    The Old “Taking it one day at a time addage!” That is generally what teams say when they are losing!

    • Kiwi rugby lover

      I agree with Skelton. Not sure what Saracens see in him, although with the slower pace of the game up there he may make more of an impact. I think that’s why Mumm looked so much better up there as well. In the RC he seemed to be late for every ruck and maul.
      I actually agree with the one day at a time approach, it stops people getting ahead of them selves and concentrates them on what is important now. The wins will come, or they won’t, but looking too far ahead only takes away from the here and now.

      • Brisneyland Local

        KRL, as always great logic.
        I dont generally have a problem with the One day at a time mantra, but not either immediately before / after saying we can win the Grand Slam.
        If you say you are going to win the GS, then it is All in! Back your self and go for it.
        If you are one day at a time, then it is a softly softly catchy monkey approach. The two in my mind whilst not quite diametrically opposed are certainly counter-intuitive.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Yeah I agree that comment from Foley was interesting. Just something to help fire up the opposition

        • Brisneyland Local

          So when things werent precarious enough, we have lose cannons saying things that we may come to regret. Let sleeping dogs lie!

        • Parker

          I read it as Cheika saying it’s all well and good to have a dream (Grand Slam) but it’s important to get real. And given the WBs current form, time should be spent training towards trying to win one game at a time. I think it’s absurdly ambitious for them to be thinking about a grand slam at this point. It’s important to have realistic achieveable goals.

      • Nicholas

        Piss poor planning equals piss poor results…. I agreed that you need to keep a foot in the moment but you cannot have a blind eye to the future.
        IMO the coaching structure in the wallabies for sometime have been to focus on the here and now, particularly Cheika (Deans as well, we will never know about McKenzie). I hope they have someone in the coaching staff looking at the next year RC and start thinking of a squad (not the direct coach staff Cheika, Larkham, Grey but someone in the back ground).
        Fuck even talking to the Australian Super Teams about what they want to see in their players (Ball skill, LINEOUT, scrum, LINEOUT, etc) so we can have at least 3 players in each position who we can call on.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Mate I agree 100%. There needs to be a strategic plan that looks at where they want the Wallabies to be (No 2 for me but hopefully they’re looking at No 1) and then a plan to get there. I think that’s part of the current coaching teams job but should be owned by the ARU. This would then lead to a good succession plan that gets you bringing in the right people at the right time

        • Patrick

          Amen. Not the first time you (and others!) have said that though :(

  • onlinesideline

    For all those who arent aware

    You can watch live on http://www.vipbox.tv

    I watched all RC and RWC on this – its free – its one fo those Pay per Click sites – just click on rugby box – find the game – pick a link – usually theres 4 to choose – i usually pick the 2nd link – an ad will appear on screen – wait 30 secs and it will dissappear – im 99 percent they will cover all November matches – may not be listed today but will appear few hours before KO

  • onlinesideline

    just out of curiosity a list of FTA sites that ppl use would be good

    the one I use is Vipbox.tv ( as mentioned below)

    any others ?

    http://nowwatchtvlive.co/bein-sports-1-hd-live-stream/

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