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Tuesday’s rugby news has Tatafu Polota-Nau signing with the Western Force, Will Genia joins Wallaby squad, second rowers improving and injuries for Springboks and All Blacks.


TPN Signs with Force

Wallaby Tatafu Polota-Nau has signed a one year deal with the Western Force for 2017.

Polota-Nau is currently recovering from a broken arm, an injury which affected his chances of going overseas.

“I’m really looking forward to getting across to the west and joining the Force,” said Polota-Nau.

“(New Head Coach) Dave Wessels is very impressive and there is a really good environment within the playing group with some great young talent coming through and really good leaders at the club like Hodgo (Matt Hodgson) and the new Wallabies Dane Haylett-Petty and Adam Coleman.”

Genia Joins Squad

Will Genia has joined the Wallabies squad ahead of their match with Scotland this weekend.

Genia has been released from French club Stade Francais for the next three Tests which all fall under the international eligibility window, which gives national teams priority access to their players.

His availability for the Wallabies last Spring tour match against England on December 4 is unclear as it falls outside the test window.

Genia’s duties with Stade Francais finished with a  37-19 loss to Bordeaux on the weekend.

Second Rowers Improving

After standout game’s from Rory Arnold and Adam Coleman against Wales, Coleman says they are taking their opportunities whilst continuing to improve.

“We’re really enjoying the opportunity to run the ball and run those hard lines and set up a platform for our shape and hopefully off the back of that we’ll capitalize on those opportunities,” Coleman said.

“We love to be physical, we both love to run the ball and it’s something we work very hard on this week.

“Last game against the All Blacks, our shape wasn’t that great so it’s something we’ve worked very hard on this week and I thought we improved [against Wales] but we’ll look forward to the next game to improving any more.”

Injuries for AB’s, Springboks

Springbok centre Jesse Kriel has been ruled out for the rest of South Africa’s Spring tour after injuring his lower leg against the Barbarians.

Kriel has been replaced by Lions centre Rohan Janse van Rensburg.

Meanwhile, All Blacks centre George Moala has returned to New Zealand after suffering an elbow injury.  His replacement is Seta Tamanivalu who was already in England with the Barbarians squad.

Ryan Crotty will remain with the All Blacks squad as he attempts to recover from a hamstring strain.

  • Dud Roodt

    There’s something a little sad about seeing Taf play for a team other than the Tahs. But at least he’s staying in Australia.
    Haven’t been as excited about an Australian second rower since Vickerman, and it appears we’ve got two of them to be excited about

    • AB

      I’m devastated – my favourite waratah! I wonder what the background story to that is – why not another season with the tahs?Just because he said he was leaving doesnt mean he has to be true to his word – we would love him back!

      • harro

        Maybe there wasn’t a contract available for him, which is unfortunate. I think the Tahs have Latu, Roach and Fitzpatrick on the books as hookers, already. He’s given so much to the Tahs over many years. I wish him and the Force all the best, but I’m not going to like watching him belting our blokes come SR time

    • Duncher

      A little sad? It’s horrible… In the same season we’ve lost Benn Robinson and Taff… I guess we’ll lose Sharon flahive as well to the force now.

      So sad https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c9383878751791210f79d14c9f5b70dfe953ed8895d845e5c1fafd4d8fa929b9.jpg

    • Blinky Bill of Bellingen NSW

      I was initially shocked, then disappointed, then happy for the Force and for him.
      I love the guy and what he contributes to Rugby. If he feels he needs a sea change then why not? I’d also reckon he might start helping out local Rugby in WA too, since he won’t be able to be as hands on with the 2 Blues.

    • Deb Brown

      isn’t it great for the game when the options at each position are creating contest……
      hats of to checks for the changes.
      and summarily the All blacks being beaten is great for the game in a whole
      oh but they rested the good guns ….not buying
      and TPN to the force is not just good but a excellent marketing and player welfare chocieing……………………………speaks volumes on the value of the gold jersey.

  • Kiwi rugby lover

    A shame it took so long to identify but I see the pairing of Coleman and Arnold being a really good long term prospect. They are beasts and really improve the Wallaby pack.
    Good to see the AB depth being tested, there has been a lot of talk about the succession and I think it has probably been the best we’ve seen but interesting to see how the injuries will be managed.

    • Mart

      Yeah it seems alot of these obvious observations from the punters are finally coming to fruition.
      These guys in the Row. A proper number 8. Hodge to 12. Picking wingers…. halfway there.

      Although if we see Mumm at starting 6 this weekend and Simmons still in the squad it’ll be a regression.

      • I am getting very frustrated with the amount of media Nick Phipps is getting. He has had an extended period of time to prove he has what it takes. I can’t help but think others need a crack. It has been all him in the papers after 1 good game in a long time.
        Hopefully Stirzaker’s runs with the Barbarians might stoke the fires a little but I think Frisby has what Phipps has but probably a better pass. I am dead keen to see genia cooper hodge kerevi folau combos.

        • AB

          Cant believe the media are saying its a difficult decision whether to play Phipps or Genia. Phipps was better on the weekend but no where near as good as Genia has been and he still had me swearing at the TV. Just as we were really starting to lose our shape , when someone needed to settle things down, he tries a flick pass to no one that goes straight into touch. How often does he do a really dumb play just when the team needs a calm halfback to help keep the teams shape.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          I know. What crap. Genia on a bad day is better than Phipps ever

        • Mart

          I think Jake Gordon is the third best halfback in Australia. Hope he gets some super rugby game time

        • Really? The Third best in Australia based on his ability to play against who? are you suggesting NRC is the same standard and has the same gameplay as Internationals with, for example, Nick Phipps lining up against a NZ pack with Aaron Smith or TJ behind them? Its good to throw out some hypotheticals but suggesting Jake Gordon is better is maybe a bit unrealistic? I can only assume that you put him behind the likes of Genia, Phipps, Frisby, Stirzaker and Joe Powell All of who have had super experience and many who are internationals. I hope he comes good but I’m not sure he’s any Phil Kearns…

        • Parker

          And let’s not forget Frisby’s fabulous try-saving tackle.

        • Xaviera

          Let’s also not forget the shocker of a missed tackle in the last ABs Test, which led to another ABs try.

        • joy

          Add Koroibete and man of the baa baas match Naiyaravoro.

        • speight instead of korobete for the moment?

      • Brisneyland Local

        If we see Mumm, I will lose my collective shit!

        • Huw Tindall

          Your collective shit? Are you storing it up or something mate? Still relying on septic tanks in Queensland?

        • Brisneyland Local

          No my collective shit, as in all my different kinds of shit. As a NSWelshman that moved to Qld I installed proper sewerage straight away. And added flouride to the water!

        • Huw Tindall

          What did you do about daylight savings though?

        • Brisneyland Local

          Obviously not enough. Because the sun coming up at 0445 is killing me. The kids get up and the dogs start barking! arghhhh it is killing me!

        • mikado

          I do so hope that Cheika picks Mumm vs Scotland. Just to see the collective meltdown that’ll follow on GAGR ;)

        • Brisneyland Local

          I think that will finally outstrip the Quade Cooper server melt down!

      • Brendan Hume

        Simmons still in the squad? What’s he done wrong? He was one of the best in his cameo against the AB’s. His consistency has let him down at times, but he’s a good footy player generally and a very good scrummaging lock.

        • Mart

          Your standards for Simmons are so low that when actually gets over the gain line its an amazing game. ;)
          He did play well that day but has not offered enough in the past and these 2 locks offer a heap more.
          They need to make way for more talent coming through.

      • Kiwi rugby lover

        I thought Fardy did more in half a match than Mumm has done all season. I really don’t know what Cheika doesn’t like about him

      • Pedro
      • Wallaby Dave

        I concur

    • Missing Link

      One of the great things about Coleman and Arnold is it’s clear that they want to be there playing for their country by their actions on the field. We seem to have been missing this since Sharpie retired.

      • Brisneyland Local

        Very true. We really have missed Sharpie!
        Did you notice the looks Coleman and Arnold give each other. It is like they are gee’ing each other up, and are feeding off each other. I hope this combo sticks and stays.

        • Will

          Hopefully they can continue to rage rage against the dying of the light as we have been missing enforcers in the wallaby pack.

        • Brisneyland Local

          Yes we have. But it was smart agression. None of this stupid niggling crap or cheap shots. Just good hard enforcement and clearing out. We dont have room in the team for idiots that will give away penalties.

        • mikado

          They definitely don’t go gentle into that good night ;)

        • Nutta

          I’m looking forward to a fit Douglas joining up with them then we will have 3 locks who can soar and belt

        • Brisneyland Local

          Either that or someone injecting some hardness into Simmons!
          And no I dont mean that the way it sounds! ha ha

        • Dingleberry Hufflethwaite III

          Whatever they gave him in Bledisloe III seemed to do the trick. That was easily the hardest edge I’ve ever seen on Simmons and was really impressive.

        • Nutta

          Not that there is anything wrong with that (said in my best pirate shirt)

        • Brisneyland Local

          Tip of the hat Nutta! Tip of the hat!

  • Simon

    Force scrum suddenly looking quite good. If Daley and TPN can stay fit I’d back their front row against most. The rest of their pack is looking pretty good too.

    • TPN stay fit… :/

      • Simon

        And Daley… king of the season-ending training injury. Hopefully they get a few good rounds out of them anyway!

        • great investments… I am surprised the reds didn’t try and outbid the force for TPN… would have made perfect reds logic…

        • Simon

          I think there are only so many senior citizens you’re allowed in the squad before you can’t get travel insurance… Reds already used their quota up.

        • SuckerForRed

          Pay this!

  • Brisneyland Local

    WARNING: BL bout of verbal dysentry inbound. (You have been warned).

    It will be interesting to see how the squad for the next match is picked. Whilst Phipps was a vast improvement over his previous lack lustre self, he still isnt within a ‘bulls roar’ of the Willy G man. I, like other GAGR’s have been reading in the media that there is a slection dilema! Really? WTF! One swallow does not a summer make, and one above average game does not mean he is the first pick for the 9 jersey.
    Then will it come down to combos like last time. Foley was picked because Phipps had to play 9 due to Genia’s absence, now that Genia is back, are we going to completely ignore Cheika’s last missive about combos and keep Foley at 10?
    And before everyone cracks the shits at me, Foley had a great game last week (except for his kicking). All GAGR readers will know I have been lambasting Foely for his kicking, which is inconsistent at best. But his running game was great.

    I am truly of the belief that our improvement has come from the pack! OUr go forward from the piggies and our ‘beast’ of a second row is finally providing the drive that the rest of the squad can now do something with.
    I look forward to the next game greatly, Hopefully Mick Byrnes continued influence keeps making in roads, because lets face it, how many other GAGR’s cracked the shits everytime we coughed up the pill in attack last week.

    On! On!

    • Thoms

      I don’t think that anyone rates Phipps above Genia.

      I assumed Genia was a fair bit older which would have supported the Phipps argument but they are only 12 months apart in age.

      Genia is our best 9, Foley is our best 10. That combo should be given time on this tour. If it doesn’t work out by the end of this tour I’d be inclined to go for Genia/Cooper.

      • Brisneyland Local

        I ddont disagree with that. The point I was trying to make was that a logic line has been used about our 9/10 pairings. Therefore what I am looking for is consistency! But I am sure that that wont be the case, as Cheika goes for loyalty!

        • Thoms

          Agree.

          To be fair there is more to the selection than simply who is the better player (Genia), combinations with players outside and ability to play to the team’s game-plan etc must come into it.

          I am not a fan of Phipps, at all, and I think that Genia wins this hands down. We do need a combination to work well with Foley as they’re our best half-backs, individually, in my opinion.

          The gulf in quality between Genia and Phipps is much wider than that between Foley and Cooper so I can see logic in choosing a better combination (Genia/Cooper) if it comes down to it and I wouldn’t hold that against Cheika. I hope that combination is not Phipps/Foley.

        • Brisneyland Local

          Thoms I couldnt agree with you more. If the forward pack and second row keep firing like that I would love to see how Genia / Cooper fire. I could possibly accept Genia / Foley, but again that would fly in the face of Cheika’s previous commentary on the matter.

        • joy

          With a dominant pack Cooper is being wasted. Playing him just a few games a year is doing nothing towards developing the close combinations he should have with our outside backs.

          Foley has had his chances. Last week was one of his best games but he still couldn’t convert tries and was average with his field kicking. The backs lacked vision at times and we missed opportunities on the back of it. We also missed a long accurate pass.

          It’s time to bite the bullet and give Quade the opportunity to get his mojo back.

        • Thoms

          The logic in the last paragraph could be applied to any player.
          It’s about the team.

        • joy

          Yes it does if you want them in the team.

        • Dorothy Ball

          With regard to the place kicking, I don’t understand why Hodge isn’t given the lot. Why have two mainline kickers? Apart from a back-up if one is off the field (Ealesy!)? Hodge looks a long-term prospect at this stage and the selectors wouldn’t need to factor the shooting in for either Foley or Cooper.

        • harro

          If Cheika is all about loyalty then why’d he move Foley aside to play Cooper at 10, why not leave Foley where he was?

        • Brisneyland Local

          I was surprised at that point in time Foley even made the squad. That is where the loyalty kicked in. He could no longer justify him at 10 so he put him as the “second playmaker at 12″. ANd we see how successful that was.

        • harro

          And last year when Cooper was 10 and Foley was not 12?

        • jamie

          What? Against Uruguay?

        • harro

          Does that matter? What about Eden Park?

    • Kiwi rugby lover

      Mate, I’d hope it was more about who was best suited for the game plan he wants played. Personally I disagree about this whole combination thing it assumes somehow that people playing together have an advantage over other players who don’t even if those players are better as an individual. I think if there’s nothing between them then maybe a combination has some merit but it is minor and good players will work well together.

      • Brisneyland Local

        I agree, at the elite level it shouldnt matter who is playing alongside of you as long as they are good and well drilled. I think this is more a tongue in cheek shot at the consistency of the Combos logic.

    • Huw Tindall

      I think we’ll see Genia off the bench rather than straight in. Having been away from the squad for a month he probably needs to get back up to speed with tactics etc.

      I’d put more weight on combos than some are suggesting. Like Beale’s ability to unlock Folau. Hard to quantify but you get a feeling for where people are and how they play.

      I wouldn’t underestimate the importance of the urgency in Phipps game and how that contributes to our quick front foot ball on hand play. Accuracy is sacrificed for speed but maybe that’s worth it. Especially behind a dominant pack.

      All things considered I think Genia is a better 9, but right here right now Phipps is delivering. Unfortunately neither are complete players like Aaron Smith…fortunately so on the disabled toilet front, so it’s a tough call on the coach as to what to prioritise in a 9. Maybe it’s Phipps as the finisher…or is it Genia to stabilise play after an all out assault to start the game? Glad I’m not the coach.

      • Brisneyland Local

        Huw, good points. Isnt it ammusing the differences. Genia slower on the pass, but pin point accurate, Phipps faster but has a tendency to spray it a bit. I think Genia directs the play better, and snipes off the back really well.
        I think for me it is consistency. Genia on a bad day is better than Phipps on a normal day. And lets not talk about Phipps when he is having a Barry Crocker!

        • Pearcewreck

          So true BLL.
          When Phipps is off his game, people in the crowd need to be ready to catch his passes.

        • Brisneyland Local

          I hear you! On a bad day he couldnt hit the broad side of a barn with a Blunderbuss!

        • Dingleberry Hufflethwaite III

          No. Not true. You’re forgetting the train wreck that was Genia before leaving for France. He was simply woeful then – so slow, heart not in it, refusing to stick his head in a ruck when needed, criticising team mates on the field and the endless bloody aimless box kicks.

          Now I’m not for one instant suggesting Phipps is a better player than Genia, but to suggest Genia on a bad day is still better than Phipps is nonsensical hyperbole.

        • Brisneyland Local

          I might be going out on a limb here, and I am happy for anyone to back this up with you tube clips. but Phipps on his worst day is worse then Genia by a clear margin. Plus on top of that you dont see Genia having brain snaps and pushing medics and throwing boots.

        • Dingleberry Hufflethwaite III

          I agree that Phipps on a bad day is worse than Genia on a bad day, however my original comments were taking issue with your original claim that “Genia on a bad day is better than Phipps on a normal day”. Based on the examples I gave above, I don’t think that’s fair on Phipps.

        • Brisneyland Local

          You are probably correct. I must admit my view of Phipps has become negative, since his brain snaps (boots and medic push) and regardless of how well he plays at the moment, I must admit my view of him has been sullied!

        • Dingleberry Hufflethwaite III

          All good mate. I’m 50-50 on the brain snaps though. Half of me thinks it’s not appropriate, the other half loves the passion. I must admit, that when the boot was thrown during the game, my three beer buzz had me giggling… Totally not a good look in retrospect.

          I think that the passion thing is interesting. I think those brain snaps are symptomatic of Phipps being so revved up by Cheika that he just sort of explodes. Maybe not a good thing, and from the outside looking in, it could be seen as a negative against the coach. I tend to think that it’s more about a player, and perhaps even a coach, finding the right balance.

          But I do think that there’s been a huge difference in Phipps before and after Cheika’s influence. He was pretty horrible at the Rebels and I used to roll my eyes and groan when he came off the bench for the Wallabies back in those days. I think though, that since then he’s come on significantly under Cheika’s tutelage. Some of that I think is the fitness Cheika seems to demand of his players, but the other part I think is mental – the belief he seems to have been able to instill in his players wherever he’s coached.

          And honestly, I think that’s what’s turned Genia around. He used to look so jaded, resigned and disinterested. These days he looks and sounds like the player that first blew us all away and was rated as the best player in the world in his position. And best of all he’s now playing like it!

          End of the day, I’m happy to see either Genia or Phipps play – or Cooper or Foley for that matter. Whichever way selection roulette works out this week, whoever plays will play with heart, pride and passion. And that’s all I ask. But when combined with the lift in skills and execution on display all across the park last weekend, that turns into excitement. If an occasional medic gets in the way, then so be it.

          Real test is what state we end up in for 2019… :)

  • Tim

    Force have brought well in the offseason. I hope they win a few more games this year.

    • ozrugbynut

      They bloody need to for oz rugbys financial sake..

  • Rebels3

    Just thought I should add another point here. Last night I came across a brilliant article in the smh from Andrew Webster about the game in Australia. Believe it or not he’s a league journalist, so you’d imagine it’d be one of comparing the greatness of one v the other, but it’s actually extremely well written and worth a look. He shares a lot of the same beliefs as what I believe a lot of us hold, particularly towards the conversation of the Shute shield/nswru and the aru. Give it a read, I’m actually surprised it hasn’t created much traction so far in the rugby community.

  • Saus

    I’ll be the first to put it out there but the Coleman / Arnold combo should now be known as “Diff’rent Strokes” or “Watch u talk’n ’bout Willis” ;-) (or even “Gary Coleman & Arnold Jackson”)
    [joke lost on those under 40 no doubt]

  • Saus

    Putting my red bias aside for one minute, I’d rather have Frisby on the bench in lieu of Phipps*. The only thing I can see that gives Phipp’s an edge over Frisby is his size. Frisby’s service is far superior and you can’t question his commitment e.g. try saving tackle on weekend

    *In fact I’d put Frisby on the bench for Mumm too!

    • Thoms

      Phipps isn’t good enough to have a Super Rugby contract let alone be a Wallaby.

      • Harsh…

        • Thoms

          It is, sorry. Tongue in cheek.

          I don’t think he’s good enough to be a first choice at a side like the Waratahs but that doesn’t roll off the tongue so well!

  • The Jackal

    1. Daley 2. TPN 3. Ainsley 4. Coleman 5. RHP 6. Naisarani 7. Hodgson 8. McCalman 9. Prior 10. Lance 11. Rona 12. Coleman 13. Meakes 14. Morahan 15. DHP

    Don’t expect them to go win-less at home next season. Interesting that Taf is another who only gets the one year contract. Lets hope they get some success on the field and get themselves off the percieved chopping block. Starting to really see the pipeline of athletes that WA can produce.

    • jamie

      TPN is 30 or 31 and injury prone. One year contracts are fair at that age

  • ozrugbynut

    TPN, what a servant. Hope he does great things for the community scene there.

    Looking ahead, would like to see changes to the bench for sat. Slipper and simmons out. I think the scots might pose a few more questions in the set piece and their game plan has been excellent at slowing the pace down which we generally require to put points on.

  • wilful

    So it’s officially we all hate Nick Phipps is it? I think that’s bullshit.

    Yes I too believe that in many ways Will Genia at the top of his game is better than Nick Phipps at the top of his, and when both are in form I would always prefer to see Genia selected. But to say as some have that Phipps offers nothing, should even be considered for selection, barely deserves to be a Super Rugby player, well that’s a load of horse shit and I don’t know why anyone comes to that conclusion. Phipps is generally much faster (but too often inaccurate), he’s bigger than Genia and a better defender, his box kicks are limited (but wasn’t Genia doing way too many of them once upon a time), they both take runs which is great, they’re both fit enough to keep up. Phipps is really passionate and committed and yappy which is good to see until it becomes undisciplined, his decisonmaking is not quite as good. I re-state, I prefer Genia too, but the pitchforks for Phipps are way out of line.

    • The Jackal

      Agree. Our attack has been much better in the last two matches with him starting. Foley and Folau in particular perform at their best with fast ball that Genia doesn’t provide. In saying that Genia is the better overall player and will be picked first choice so it will be interesting to see if we keep our attacking fluency with him back in the side.

    • I think Phipps has hit the top of his game and that game just isn’t an international standard. Based on the opportunity he has been offered, I can’t see adequate improvement in his basics. I think we would benefit more from having him as a third fourth our fifth 9 incase of injury and give opportunities to others.

      • Dingleberry Hufflethwaite III

        Did you see the first half against Wales? That was bloody good and easily international standard.

        • Yeah I saw it. One half… without taking too much away from that half, (Australian) international standard should be for 2 halves, consistently game after game. My point is that he doesn’t get any better than that and that was against the poorest Wales side I have seen in recent memory. anyway you look at it, his pass, and particularly the consistency of it, is poor.

    • Adrian

      Agree 100% wilful.

      Mass anti-Phipps hysteria only seems to happen in blogs, where people get carried away with what someone else says. It’s worse in another well known Rugby blog, but happens here too.
      The same sort of thing happens to a few others, but I won’t name them, in case it starts again today. It also occurs occasionally in favour of fringe players, but again, I won’t name names.

      The whole anti-Phipps thing is unheard of amongst the many Rugby supporters I know who don’t spend their time on armchairs in a blog!
      It goes without saying that Phipps is a great tackler etc, but this is not why I’m speaking up for him.

      It’s about speed, and a stopwatch will show that the ball reaches the first receiver much faster with Phipps as halfback, even taking into consideration poor passes.

      Phipps also gives passion to the team, which runs off on those around him!

      • Thoms

        He’s a very ordinary player though, that’s the problem. I don’t think he is “bad” per se, but ability wise I don’t see what sets him apart from the other 15 or so scrum-halves employed here in Super Rugby or even the top operators at Shute Shield level. He was not great at the Rebels (I was working in Melbourne in 2011 and was at all of the home games) not helped by the mismanagement of MacQueen (and later Hill) but how he earned test caps that year was a mystery. As was his transfer to the Waratahs.

        To be fair to him, ability wise he is less gifted than his understudy Lucas but the latter seems to lack the bottle for the big occasion which Phipps cannot be accused of.

        • SuckerForRed

          Not sure that you can make that call about Lucas. The chances that he got last year for the Tahs he performed very well. He was just coming off the bench behind Phipps a lot.

    • AB

      Yes keyboard warriors have too much venom in their criticism but as a waratahs and wallabies fan I cant think of another player that has induced more swearing on my part than Nick Phibbs. He commits clangers at regular intervals, like those two absolutely shocking passes in the England pool game at RWC 2015 that almost gave an opening to England to get back into the game. Genia at his best was getting into Fourie Du Preez territory, Phibbs has never been anywhere near those heights. Genia’s passing close to the line is far superior – how many times has he put a forward into a hole right on the line to create a try. To be fair Phibbs is clearly very fit and works really hard in games, I just think he is definitely not a test level half and possibly not a Super rugby half based on basic passing skills and reading of the game.

      • wilful

        See, no one apart from you even gets the smallest chuckle from calling him Phibbs. It’s really dumb and immature, and while there are plenty of ways to criticise him, he always turns up to games fit and with commitment. I daresay he’s given more to Australian rugby than you have.

        • AB

          Actually just a stupid spelling error on my part – no humour or otherwise intended. Of course he has given more to Australian rugby than I have, but on that criteria this whole website and the whole history of sports fan arguing the merits of their most and least favourite players would be considered invalid.

        • jamie

          Settle down. It’s the same concept as calling the wallabies the Wobblies. Do you get offended by that?

        • Pearcewreck

          Quote
          I daresay he’s given more to Australian rugby than you have.

          What??
          Are you serious??
          No professional player on the planet has given anything to rugby.
          It is their job, and and they are paid huge dollars to do it, so no, not Phipps, not any of them.
          When they retire, and then start volunteering at a club somewhere or something, then we can say they have given something.

        • Wallaby Dave

          Well played, Sir

    • Kiwi rugby lover

      Mate Genia on a bad day is still better than Phipps.

      • wilful

        definitely don’t agree. Genia was soooo bloody slow the other year, massive wind up with the extra step, and then he’d do those bloody box kicks that did nothing but gift possession to the opposition.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Not this year though. I thought he held the Wallabies together in the RC

      • Dingleberry Hufflethwaite III

        Yeah…. No. Genia on a bad day is baaaaaaaaaaad.

    • OlderIGet

      Those that don’t like Phipps secretly wish they were half as good as him. He has a heart like Phar Lap, he can tackle well. His delivery last week was not much short of excellent. Like all players – including Folau, he has bad days. That Genia may be better is okay, it doesn’t mean Phipps is bad.

    • The Genius

      My sense is Nick Phipps is one of those players who struggles to transition from Super Rugby to test rugby. He’s not the first, nor will he be the last. He has a skill set that can be effective at Super Rugby but gets exposed a little one level higher. I don’t believe you can fault his commitment and work-rate but at test level he is very one-dimensional and therefore little real threat to opposition defensive schemes. He needs to develop an effective running game to be a true international player. Clearing ruck ball only does not cut it in modern test rugby.

      The needless incidents this year of throwing the boot away and roughing up the medic staff member need to be eliminated. Test matches are for cool heads with intelligent thoughts, not emotional types trying to score cheap points. I recognize his head coach has yet to fully comprehend that theory. Maybe the Irish victory in Chicago may change his mind.

      • Dingleberry Hufflethwaite III

        Did you watch the Wales game? He was excellent and it was his speed of execution – bloody accurate execution, mind you – that converted the forwards impetus into backline success.

        He went POP! at around 50 – 55mins which is the perfect time to bring on Genia to close out the game.

        For mine, the combination with Foley and the fact that he’s playing in Australia means he keeps the starter’s jersey.

        Let’s get Genia home and then we can chat about changing things up.

        • The Genius

          Excellent points. It was a very mediocre Welsh team mate. On the assumption you want to be beating the top international sides, Phipps needs to be much more threatening than merely distributing from the base of rucks. As long as the halfback has the potency to snipe effectively, or run and link with his loose forwards, they will command defensive resources. Against the very good international sides Phipps does not bring that threat.

        • Dingleberry Hufflethwaite III

          Look I agree, the Welsh were shite, but you’ve still got to get the job done. He did that in spades. What really gets my goat is the current Australian internet forum warrior’s lack of appreciation for nuance. Everything is either 100% awesome or 100% fucked. The truth is far more complex.

          Your points about sniping from the base are spot on though – and one of the best bits of Genia’s or Smith’s games.

          I guess it just makes me sad that we seem to spend more time bagging our own that celebrating their success.

        • The Genius

          Excellent points.

        • Clearly you didn’t watch the game. Phipps sniped on three or four occasions; and very effectively too.

          The Welsh team were not very mediocre; they were just made to look very mediocre by a brilliant Australian first half. Looking mediocre and being mediocre are not the same thing. You have to take into account the quality of the Wallaby and in that first half it was brilliant.

        • joy

          Are you saying that Phipps is more deserving than Genia because he plays in Australia?

        • Dingleberry Hufflethwaite III

          Among the other factors I mentioned, yes. I think we still need to be favouring people supporting the local competition.

    • Kiwi rugby lover

      I tend to agree with you. I think Genia is way better and Phipps loses the plot easily, but he’s had a couple of good games and certainly deserves his place.

  • Adrian

    TPN to WESTERN Force might be to get us ready for WESTERN Force to play some games in WESTERN Sydney.
    TPN is a hero in Western Sydney. Even Rugby League fans have heard of him, which is more than you could say for most of the Wallabies except for perhaps Folau and Cooper

  • Nutta

    Good luck to Taff. I’m suprised he didn’t go France or Japan for retirement funding.

    It’s funny but when Parramatta was having its darkest days he championed the west of Sydney rugby so now it’s poetic and a natural extention that he champion the west of Australia rugby. There’s poetry in that.

    • Brisneyland Local

      Thats a really good point Nutta!
      Hopefully he can help resurrect the Force.

  • Dalai Ninja

    Force getting a good look about them, with Coleman and DHP’s test experience and now Nau.

  • Wallaby Dave

    Have to say when it comes to wingers, if we’re messing about with everyone (which ain’t needed IMO) we need some with pace to burn and personnel who can kick. Mr Morahan is quite hard done by and needs to be considered. Mr Speight plays hard but misses a certain je ne sais quoi. With a back three who can all catch, run and kick we’d be in a better place. With Hodge at 12 we help Foley out (who is in form with ball in hand but questionable at best of foot/tee) and having a few other options (even a left footer if we’re lucky?) we give Phipps/ Genia/ Frisby other options.
    If we can keep our form under the high ball like we did against Wales a box kick per half is acceptable

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