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Tuesday’s Rugby News

Tuesday’s Rugby News

Tuesday’s Rugby News has a good Wallabies culture, a determined Quade, a coaches convention and Damian de Allende shouldn’t have been sent off.

WBs culture best

Will Genia shapes to pass.

Will Genia has probably seen some rubbish Wallabies cultures in his time, so it’s probably a good thing when he says the current ‘bies culture is the best he’s ever seen.

“It’s the best environment I’ve been a part of in the time I’ve been in a Wallaby group,” the $800,000 man told the SMH.

“Everyone has a buy-in and a say in how we do things. Everyone holds each other accountable as far as the standards, it’s a really good group to be a part of. The biggest thing I enjoy is that guys want to get better and improve.”

All those sand hill runs and blindfolded business and everything else, Genia reckons, did the group a whole lot of good in terms of team cohesion, lung capacity and also getting on telly for the novelty news factor.

“We’ve had a little bit more time to develop what we stand for as a team,” Genia continued. “We’ve got something we want to live by as far as what it means to be a Wallaby and as time has gone on we’ve been able to add to it but also hold ourselves accountable to living by it, on and off the field.

“Over time it’s become more organic, as opposed to something that is forced.

“It’s a great thing when you have young guys like [Izack] Rodda come in and buy into it straight away, as a senior playing seeing that you feel like it’s very conducive to being open to everybody.”

The ABs are now on the horizon again and Genia has come up with a masterful theory on how to beat the Kiwis – play well and pressure them into errors!

“If you can consistently pressure them throughout the 80 minutes you can score points and also pressure them into errors,” Genia opined, furiously scratching away on a chalkboard.

“There’s no secret it’s going to be tough but we prepare as though we want to win, we prepare as though we want to be the best in the world.

“I’m not afraid of saying it, because why would you do it if you didn’t have those aspirations? We’re not shying away from the fact it’s going to be a very tough challenge.”

Quade Twirling Towards Freedom

Quade Cooper and Bernard Foley scores vs South Africa 2016

The Australian Barbarians team is set to take on the Australian Wallabies team in Sydney on 28 October, and Baabaa captain Quade Cooper ain’t fussed about the big Cheika fella.

Cooper hasn’t played for the Wallabies since June, and his selection as captain of the Barbarians was news to Cheika. In fact, Cooper revealed that Cheika hasn’t talked to him since the winter.

“At this stage I am [planning to play for the Barbarians] – I haven’t heard anything else,” Cooper told the Courier Mail.

“Unless I am called into camp, which I doubt as the Rugby Championship is over, I am just looking forward to playing for Brisbane City and getting the opportunity to suit up and throw the ball around for the BaaBaas.

“I have never had the opportunity to play for the BaaBaas. I have played against them a few times and it’s always a fun game.

“It’s always hard on the lungs, chasing the ball around. It’s always been a fun game to be a part of but I’ve never had the honour to suit up in the BaaBaas. I am looking forward to that.”

Cooper is also looking forward to being coached by Alan Jones.

“He’s a great bloke. I have met him a fair few times, I have kept in touch and he has chatted to me in some tough times,” Cooper said.

“Being overseas and being back in Australia, he has always had an ear and been someone to talk to. I am looking forward to playing for him as well.

“Every time I have chatted to him about football, his philosophies about the game are very much to keep the ball up off the ground, not trying to set up rucks and that sort of thing. Trying to keep the ball alive and keep the ball up off the ground and keep the game flowing. That’s the sort of thing I like about rugby.

“When you speak to Alan, he is a very charismatic guy, he is very out there and passionate. I am looking forward to playing with him.”

Talking of coaches, Cooper was also asked what he thought of Brad Thorn.

“He has already been hands on for the last few years so we know what he’s all about. He’s no nonsense. That transition will be pretty smooth,” Cooper said.

“From a players standpoint, first and foremost, I have nothing but respect for him. For the type of player he was on the field and the type of guy he was off the field, and the success he had as a player and the success he had as a player and the teams that he played with that were successful, I have nothing but respect for him.”

Coaches Summit For Real

Australia coaches were not a happy bunch

For the first time in a bajillion years, all of Australian rugby coaching professionals and hangers-on will converge on one point – Sydney – to chat about stuff, like how to beat the All Blacks.

Sitting on the throne at the top of the table will Television Opinion Man and GAGR Friend Rod Kafer, who will holding the talking stick for most of the convo. Here is holding the talking stick with the Daily Telegraph:

“It is borne out of the fact that we had no Super Rugby wins against the Kiwis and 15 years of Bledisloe Cup losses,” Kafer said.

“People at some point have got to say ‘Maybe we need to do something a little bit differently’, and I reckon we’re at that point.

“Ben Whitaker’s done a really good job of bringing the various constituents into one room and it’s been a process of developing trust. It’s early stages, and it needs to be proven, but there’s certainly a higher level of trust and understanding in the game.”

The attendees will mainly be the peeps from the four Super teams, like GAGR Super Fan Dave Wessels.

“There’s been a series of coaching get-togethers but this is the first time we’re getting all of the participants of high performance rugby in Australia together; head coaches, assistant coaches, team analysts, athletic performance, team managers, general managers of high performance,” Kafer continued.

“We’re trying to answer the question of what does the player of the future look like, and are we preparing for the player of the future; that will be a core concept of those two days. We’ve profiled about 30 coaches in Australia. We want to make change, change wants to happen, and they all want to get on with it.

“The profiling will identify skills gaps, and potential weaknesses that might exist within our current people, and what I’ll then look at is try to plug those holes and fast-track the gaps that we’ve got by creating programs and education tools and self-learning opportunities for our coaches.”

Part of this ‘self-learning’ and ‘weakness identifying’ will also include a leadership program for all staff present.

“As part of that leadership comes mentoring and ensuring that we align all of our coaches to mentors who might be able to value in areas they might not be that skilled in,” he said.

“And equally, it’s about ensuring that our coaches have the capacity to mentor a number of coaches underneath them so we get this sharing of IP (intellectual property) up and down the system.”

No Red Card


Huh. Here’s one for the Big Boss, Mr Rowley.

Damian de Allende, the blue-eyed dreamboat centre for the Springboks, was sent off in controversial circumstances in the test against the All Blacks on the weekend.

de Allende was shown a red after he hit Lima Sopoaga late. Having tried to charged Sopoaga down, de Allende then continued charging on towards the All Blacks flyhalf, with his elbow out in front of him in a way that would like bracing to normal people and leading with an elbow to rabid All Blacks fans/referees.

de Allende then hits Sopoaga, with the pint-sized flyhalf’s neck more or less being the height of de Allende’s elbow.

From the resultant penalty, Sopoaga gave his side an 8-point lead with 5 minutes to go. The ABs ending up winning 25-24.

Now World Rugby has turned around and told de Allende is in the all-clear, according to Fox Sports.

The disciplinary committee found “that the offence did not warrant a red card in all the circumstances and has issued a warning. The player is, therefore, free to play and will serve no suspension.”

South Africa next play Ireland on 11 November.

This Fox Sports article has footage of the incident; also keep an eye out for a rather clumsy ‘fall’ by ABs scrumhalf Tawera Kerr Barlow at the very start.

  • Pedro

    I don’t think de Allende was malicious

    • Kiwi rugby lover

      Mate he had all the time in the world to pull out and didnt. Agree not red but it was still a yellow all the way

      • Pedro

        I’m saying it’s bizarre he wasn’t suspended. I think it WAS worth a red.

        • Tomthusiasm

          Fair point, it’s high, late and contact with the head, given those factors it probably should be a red. Perhaps because Lima didn’t milk it the judiciary downgraded it, but you gotta feel for the ref who’s trying to follow the mandate.

        • Pedro

          Yeah. I mean seemingly no one got hurt which is good, but it was obviously late and the avoidable contact was above the shoulders. It will very rarely happen if they’re just consistent on it.

        • Tommy Brady

          Sonny Bill Williams got red carded by the same referee for the same offense – an attempted tackle involving contact to the head where the tackled player did not suffer injury (Watson was cleared to return after a HIA). Williams received a poorly thought out 4 game suspension served over 6 weeks.

          The issue on Saturday was Garces was technically correct. The problem was the punishment did not fit the crime. However, are shots to the head now a case by case matter for World Rugby when deciding follow-up suspensions? Someone say “consistency”?

        • Braveheart81

          I don’t think you could say it was the same offence. SBW hit him with significant force. De Allende did not involve forceful impact. I thought the red card was wrong but certainly a yellow card was reasonable and given the time in the game the colour of the card made zero difference.

        • Tomthusiasm

          Yeah, if it happened in the 60th minute then it would probably would’ve made an impact on the game. The thing is, the Boks played better after the red card, they worked their way downfield and scored a try.

        • Pearcewreck

          Completely different intent.
          Williams clearly attacked Watson, but this incident was just in the follow through of an attempted charge down.
          Williams deserved what he got.
          De Allende did not.
          Obviously, world Rugby are embarrassed about the red card, the non suspension of de Allende is a clear admission that the ref got it wrong.
          Of course, you and other un-welcome New Zealanders on here will not see that way, but that is the way it is.

        • Tommy Brady

          Always appreciate your insight Pearcewreck.

        • Greg

          good response!

        • Dud Roodt

          Old mate sure has it in for you kiwi’s doesn’t he.

        • Tommy Brady

          We’re all ANZAC’s pal.

        • Who?

          I’m an Aussie, it was unnecessary, late high contact. If it was just a bump, then penalty maximum. But it was a raised forearm. To the neck.

          For mine, the new mandates they’ve had this year – where any and all contact, intended or not, to the head, is at least a penalty is fair. Sometimes you’ll have high contact in the breakdown that’s unavoidable, but if the high contact is in any way unavoidable, then there’s no reason not to sanction it. Why should it be legal to attack the head? A standard needed to be set, and it was overdue.

          I’ve no issue with the penalty, no issue with YC, and with no time left in the game, no issue with a RC (because it’s the same sanction at that point in time). It was unnecessary (he could’ve hit with his body, rather than re-raising his forearm), it was late. The lack of real intent or damage is irrelevant to the decision.

          And remember – even bumping into the kicker several steps and time after the ball’s gone is generally a penalty. So regardless of whether De Allende was going to be on or off the field, Sopoaga was going to get the chance to put the ABs up by 8 points. I don’t think anyone could argue that it wasn’t a penalty (we see penalties for much less in general play), and the penalty – the 3 points – is the key component. Especially given De Allende then wasn’t suspended.
          But I also give SBW a bit more of the benefit of the doubt with Watson. I think he couldn’t be certain as to where Watson’s head was, as Watson was behind the first tackler, and had fallen in the tackle.
          Further, I’d argue that, as Watson was a ball carrier, he’s a ‘less protected’ player in the laws of the game than a halfback (Raynal was so harsh on taking out the 9 on Sunday!), and a much less protected player than someone who’s kicked the ball. Kickers are a protected species – the moments after kicking leave a player vulnerable. So, you’ve got a bloke who’s hit a player no longer in possession of the ball, compared to a player who’s hit a ball carrier. One offender has a right to hit the player he hit, he just hit him in a illegal manner. The other has no right to hit the player he hit, and he hit him in an illegal manner (i.e. high).
          I’m not saying that the lack of suspension for De Allende is wrong. I’m fine with it all. But dragging SBW into it is just ridiculous…
          And I don’t think the rulings of the judiciary are anything other than a mystery. This one they got right! But others… Do you think some of the suspensions Aussies have received earlier this year were near as bad? Luatua got the same suspension as SBW and Quade, were they all the same severity..? I’d argue not – that Quade’s one was the least (player diving through the tackle), and Luatua’s was pretty well attempted murder (much worse than SBW’s – and I’m not saying that SBW’s suspension was unjustified or harsh). So using the judiciary to make a point, it’s not solid evidence. Because they’re so inconsistent.

        • Alister Smith

          If we begin to decide the penalty by the injury to the victim of the foul play (or even careless play) then it could get very tricky and lack consistency and fairness. Exactly the same tackle could deliver a multitude of outcomes. If one player gets a red and a couple of weeks suspension and another gets a yellow or just a penalty and the only difference is the injury level then the rule becomes less effective.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Fair enough. I’m not sure it met the red threshold and I think it’s important that a red card has to meet a high threshold to ensure it remains relevant

        • Pedro

          What’s the threshold?
          I mean he had all the time in the world to pull out, so surely he had time to choose his point of impact.

        • Braveheart81

          I think under the recent guidelines the impact lacked force which has been used as a significant factor when determining whether something is a red card.

          I also think it was a little dubious whether it was high enough contact. Garces was suggesting the contact was with the neck although that didn’t seem entirely clear from the replays.

          Certainly it ticked the boxes of being late, no arms (whether the contact was with the elbow or a forearm, it certainly wasn’t a tackle). I think to meet that red card threshold it needs to be high which was certainly what Garces determined. That’s 3 of the 4 criteria which makes it reasonable to give a red card.

          I thought yellow card personally but in the game situation it made zero difference. It should have been a card.

        • Pedro

          I think to the letter of the law it was red and for the offender it was completely avoidable. He may feel a little unlucky but who can he blame?

      • McWarren

        give it a rest, even Sopoaga wasn’t phased by it. Not even a yellow or penalty in my book.

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          It was a penalty because he broke the rules and it was stupid from de Allende.

          In my opinion it shouldn’t have been even a YC, however, and definitely not a RC.

      • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

        I hope the All Blacks bought de Allende a beer for that after the end of the match. What stupid play that was from the man, basically won the match for the Kiwis.

        • Who?

          I think that’s a big call. After all, the ABs were, if they didn’t receive the penalty, still up by 5, about to receive a 22 restart at the correct (for them) end of the field. If the penalty took them from being behind to in front, then maybe, but it didn’t.

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          Oh, the All Blacks were still favourites to win the match if de Allende didn’t do it.

          But by doing it he essentially put the game out of reach for the Boks to chase.

  • Greg

    I just want to see the ref’s police the breakdown with the ABs.

    Watching the replay of the Boks/ABs there were so many players falling into the ruck from the side and rolling all over the ball. (Hello Kieran Read) They do it hard and fast and it seems to be accepted. The more pressure they are under…. the more they do it.

    I thought that it was a great game and the Boks were desperately unlucky to lose.

    Not a bad comeback after the last scoreline. Mind you…. they didn’t play that badly in that game either.

  • McWarren

    Is it possible to organise two 10 minute trial games during a test match to allow players to preemptively serve a red card ban and return to the field of play?

    • Big Ted

      Only if your team colours are on the darker side of the colour spectrum

    • HK Red

      That is gold!

  • Kiwi rugby lover

    I like the idea of a coaching summit. One of the biggest challenges here is establishing a national framework so that there is a clear path for coaches from club up to the Super teams and the Wallabies. It’d be nice if they could start the dialogue to establish this.

  • MungBean

    “It is borne out of the fact that we had no Super Rugby wins against the Kiwis and 15 years of Bledisloe Cup losses,” Kafer said.

    “People at some point have got to say ‘Maybe we need to do something a little bit differently’, and I reckon we’re at that point.

    Dese people are goddamn jayniuses oi tells ya!

    • onlinesideline

      makes you wonder – 15 years of SR and they are just getting it


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