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Tuesday’s Rugby News sees Will Genia wants more Indigenous jersey, the All Blacks like doing the Haka, Danny Cipiriani wants to keep his place, and Liz Patu to captain the Wallaroos.


 

CALLS FOR PERMANENT INDIGENOUS JERSEY

Wallabies half back, Will Genia, has called for the Indigenous jersey to become the Australian jersey, to be worn during every test, in an effort to demonstrate Australia’s multi cultural society.

The Wallabies wore the jersey for the first time last year, when the beat they All Blacks in Brisbane, with wide spread support coming for the Wallabies to wear it more regularly.

It is not confirmed which match will feature the jersey, but Rugby.com.au are suggesting that Rugby Australia are considering it for the Spring Tour match against the English at Twickenham.

Genia thinks the jersey should be worn more than once a year though.

“I would love to wear it all the time. I am not the boss but I certainly think they should think about. Because it is a representation of all our cultures, and I think that part should be emphasised as any other part,” Genia said.

“I felt pretty privileged to wear that jersey in what it represents. Having someone special like Kurtley a part of the group, it has extra significance for this particular group. I love it.”

It is a strong symbol of both Australia’s connection to our indigenous population, but is also important to the inclusion of those Wallabies not born in Australia.

Lets hope Rugby Australia doesn’t take the same approach as the AFL and have a new jersey for every couple of weeks for fans to spend more money on, though I am glad I get the chance to buy an Indigenous jersey this year. Hopefully there is a Green and Gold discount.

IN DEFENCE OF THE HAKA

Wallabies v All Blacks, Suncorp Stadium, 21st October 2017

Steve Hanson and the All Blacks have slammed claims that the Haka has been over used and lost its significance.

In his new book The Jersey, British journo Peter Bills interviewed several current and former All Blacks with Sir Colin Meads and Kees Meeuws exposing their frustrations around the use of the Haka.

Meeuws is quoted as saying in the book. “It has lost its mana, it has become a showpiece. They should do it at certain test matches but not all.

“It was good a few years ago when they had a choice. But now they play 14 test matches a year and that’s too much as far as the haka is concerned. We should either have it at home or just away from home, like it used to be. Not both.”

Before his death in 2017, Meads echoed similar thoughts, along with team’s mental skills coach Gilbert Enoka

Hanson, along with All Blacks Sam Cane and Ben Smith have all come out in disagreement of the comments, with Cane saying they believe Meeuws was misquoted.

The only article I’ve seen around it was on Kees Meeuws and we’ve been informed that unfortunately he was misquoted so that’s a shame,” he said.

“But from an All Blacks point of view we love doing the haka.

Smith backs the Haka as part of the tradition on the All Blacks, saying it is how they prepare for a test match.

“It’s our tradition, it’s our history,” he said.

“That’s just the way we prepare for a Test match.

“I think it’s a massive privilege to be able to do the haka and it would be odd if we weren’t to do that before a game.”

 

CIPRIANI WANTS TO KEEP HIS SPOT

Former Melbourne Rebels player, Danny Cipriani may have set up one of the tries of the June series, with his well-weighted cross kick to Jonny May in the England’s third test in South Africa, and now he is looking to keep his spot.

The test in South Africa was Cipiriani’s first start for England in almost a decade, with the 30-year-old fly half fighting his way back into the English squad and into the number 10 jersey.

Cipriani is preparing for his first season with Gloucester, having turned down offers from teams abroad in an effort to keep his World Cup hopes alive.

Danny believes his unconventional training camp to Malibu will be a big factor in his success this season.

“I went to Malibu and did some training down there. It’s a different type of training. It doesn’t really involve a ball or too much running, but it’s a lot of explosive stuff, a lot of surfing and being out on the water,” he said. “You need time off but you’re only going to get a short pre-season after a tour so you need to make sure you’re in good shape.”

After a short stint at the Rebels, which involved more than a few suspension, and time spent with Sale and Wasps in the Premier League, Cipriani is dedicated to being better and keeping his English spot.

“I’ve trained myself over the last six years to focus on training tomorrow and focus on what’s happening in the next week. I take the view that I have to keep performing in every single game to have even a chance of reaching that end goal.”

 

LIZ PATU TO LEAD WALLAROOS

The Queensland hooker will take the role of captain of her country for the first time this weekend when the Wallaroos face the Black Ferns a head of Bledisloe 1.

Patu will be taking over for Shannon Parry, with the XV’s and Sevens star not in the team this series.

Liz will be one of the most experienced players in the team, boasting 20 caps in a squad that had 13 potential debutants.

“It is very exciting, I’m speechless as well. It’s something I didn’t think I was actually going to get but you know things happen.” Patu said to Rugby.com.au

Fortunately Patu wont be on her own with Rebecca Clough and Sarah Riordan named as the Vice-Captains.

Riordan made her debut back in 2016 against the Black Ferns, but she believes a lot has changed in Australian Rugby since then, stating that Super W has helped the team become more competitive.

“I made my debut at Eden Park in 2016, so I definitely know the pressure that comes with Bledisloe and playing at these big stadiums and big games,” she said.

“I think the Super W really laid a good platform for us coming into Test matches,

“It really makes us play at. Higher level, a better level for longer which, we weren’t really exposed to at all before coming into test matches.”

 

 

  • Bay35Pablo

    “Steve Hanson and the All Blacks have slammed claims that the Haka has been over used and lost its significance. …
    …. while limbering up to perform it in the direction of anyone suggesting that. …. :)

    • Brisneyland Local

      Gold!

    • IIPA

      Haha ! Who get their kit off more quickly? Poms at the first sign of sunshine or Kiwis at the first sniff of a haka opportunity ?

    • Greg

      If someone bugged his room again…. the bug probably would malfunction out of boredom.

      I wish he would just zip it up and let us enjoy the game.

      [and that Mr Cheika does not bag out the ref on Saturday night]

      • Ian

        I really wish you were right and that it was just Cheika having a whinge, but Australia do tend to get a raw deal when it comes to reffing. And how much of that do you let go before saying somethings not right with this. I personally think it is Hoopers interactions with the ref that puts us on the wrong end, he is fairly patronising to the whistleblowers.

        • A Dingo Stole My Rugby

          We’ve managed in the past to have success despite our captain and senior players enduring a fractious relationship with the refs. Exhibit A – George Gregan and Andre Watson. Maybe if our current coach wasn’t such a sooky man-baby, we might get some respect.

    • Dud Roodt

      Anyone remember NZ during the world cup? Fuck me, they’d do a haka at the ordering of a beer

    • Chinese Dave

      As the old saying goes, two’s company, three’s a crowd, three kiwis are a haka opportunity.

  • Brisneyland Local

    Morning GAGR’s (or as Hoss calls us Productivity wasters!),
    LIght on for news this morning, but I will see if I can spark something up. Her we go:
    – I like the indigenous jersey. But I dont care about the politics. Lets pick a jersey that is representational of all of us and just stick with that. Lets not play politics with sport. especially rugby, or then that is something else I will have to ignore!
    – I dont think much of Ciprianni as a person, but he is a pretty solid 10. I think if he can manage his behavioural issues and doesnt cause Eddie to have an ecliption, he would be a good player going forward for England.
    – I am ignoring Jabba the Hut Hansen!
    – Although I as a general rule do not watch reality tv, I will watch the Bachelor tonight. Am a huge fan of the Honey Badger! A man that is that humourous, and such a solid family fan. Go the Badge!
    Over to you GAGR’s!

    • IIPA

      Never watched a moment of the Bachelor but the promos have sucked me in:

      “she’s beautiful but I dunno if I should be chasin or runnin”

      “she left me wanting more but at the same time…happy with what I got”

      The HB looks like he’ll be in fine form and I reckon this season could be really good, or so bad it’s still really good.

      • Brisneyland Local

        I hear you! I have never watched Bachelor or any form of reality tv. But just love the badge!

        • onlinesideline

          just watched one of the trailors – “as nervous as a mouse in biology class”

        • Brisneyland Local

          I am looking forward to it.

    • Dud Roodt

      I don’t think there’s anything innately political about the Indigenous jersey? Nothing wrong with Australian’s showing a bit of pride in the indigenous people of this country.

      And, I think the jersey looks fucking great.

      • Brisneyland Local

        I dont think the Jersey is political, but a lot of the things behind it are.
        Yeah it does look great.

        • Ian Rodger

          I agree the indigenous jersey looks great and would make a great permanent jersey.

    • Kiwi rugby lover

      I like the indigenous jersey and would love it to be the Wallabies jersey for every test. I think doing that would take the politics out of it.

  • onlinesideline

    Considering our team consists of Papua New Guineans, Fijians, Tongans, Samoans, Moaris, English, Irish, even a bloody Tasmanian …. surely its time we came up with some kind of reasonable response to the Haka instead of feeling like this …

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivaKBtZ_WvA

    • juswal

      The Wallabies should wait for three seconds after the haka, then step forward and do this: https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/4bf6588ca049c7ba1eca8b47f223e7d005179e105ac26ef3220b48f7dc28c659.jpg

      • onlinesideline

        to what song ?

        • Brisneyland Local

          Tip of the hat OLSL! tip of the hat!

        • juswal

          I feel the theatrics cross all cultural barriers

        • onlinesideline

          is that Putin on the right ?

        • laurence king

          Ditto

    • joy

      You should have played the whole movie and then checked your testosterone level.

      • Kiwi rugby lover

        I like it but not really Maori culture

    • Kiwi rugby lover

      Love it

  • Bakkies

    The indigenous jersey shouldn’t become permanent. Leave the Wallaby jersey alone it has more changes than the PMs we have had since Howard got voted out (which was the biggest mistake prior O’Neill getting a second term at the RA).

    • Alister Smith

      I think John Howard would have to have the best record of any PM in relation to number of Wallabies test match victories (both on an outright and percentage basis) of any prime minister we’ve had

      • Huw Tindall

        And cricket tests and ODIs. Jonny was a good luck sporting mascot! That morning power walk in the Wallabies tracksuit was legendary.

      • RugbyM

        any chance of getting him back in office for the next 2 weeks? or at least have 24-hr coverage of him in his tracksuit and cricket whites?

    • Andy

      Bring back to old baggy orange moo moo. Would suit the Tongan Thor to a T

  • Ian

    The haka is a cool fun rugby thing that we should all be proud of as being a part of our game, but I do think it gets a lot of importance thrust upon it, when in reality, it is just a cultural badge that helps a country show it’s uniqueness. Let them do it over and over and over, it does not matter, it is not some terrifying death challenge, it is a tribal dance, it is not a tool/weapon of their game. And anyone who believes it is, is just feeding the mythology, it is emotionally important to those blokes wearing black on the pitch, but doesn’t need to be for the rest of us.

    The haka gives no advantage whatsoever unless the team facing it are weak minded and assign it some kind of meek and respectful surrender, it is nice to have in our game, and the more of it the better. But I do think the kiwis need to be a bit less precious about it. If France decide to front up and get in their face for a bit of show, I do not want to hear how “Disrespectful” it was that they didn’t pee their pants and try to run for the stands. I mean come on, the game is what matters at the end of the day.

    Plus, there is nothing more Rugby than Tonga/Samoa facing off after the anthems and doing their dances at the same time! That is a fantastic spectacle.

    • onlinesideline

      Mate the way the French held hands during the RWC 2011 final, I wouldnt exactly call that “fronting up”. I actually thought they were about to circle the ABs and do “ring a ring a rosie” in French.

    • Twoilms

      Sports psychologists would probably challenge your assertion it gives no advantage whatsoever. War cry’s have been used for thousands of years, probably for a reason.

      • Ian

        “unless the team facing it are weak minded” – Ian Circa 2018

        • Twoilms

          No. Teams don’t get scared or demoralized. It’s more about the positive effects on the All Blacks psyche.

          Getting amped up before a game makes a big difference to how you play.

        • disqus_NMX

          I would be surprised if there isn’t a negative psychological effect on the team facing the Haka. These sort of things are very powerful. For example, it has been shown that fans of a winning team gain an increase of testosterone, while fans of a losing team drop in testosterone levels. Facing the Haka and having to just stand there and do nothing would be similar to losing, and I wouldn’t be surprised if there was a similar effect.

    • Dud Roodt

      From all reports it gives rather a significant advantage.

      I know the Wallabies were told to take as long as possible to get changed out of trackies etc after the haka to get the ABs heart rates down.

      • disqus_NMX

        Yep, I’m sick of the Haka, and even more sick of the fact that other teams have been dictated to by WR how they can and can’t respond. It’s an unbelievable advantage of psychological domination. If I was running an international rugby team, I would say fuck you WR, and get some psychologists and historians on board to design a response that evens the playing field.

        • Dud Roodt

          I agree. I think it’s bullshit that a team has to stand there and submit to them doing something that isn’t even part of the game!

          They are told they have to stand in a specific place and take it like a little bitch.

        • disqus_NMX

          “…and take it like a little bitch” is exactly what is happening! Every time any team plays the All Blacks, they are forced to stand there and take it like a little bitch. Game over before it even starts.

        • Funk

          Not the most inventive from the crowd but it worked well. I remember watching it on TV and you couldn’t hear the aigs chanting the haka at all.
          https://youtu.be/SxG6atGcpCk

        • Patrick

          There should be more of this. If it has any meaning at all it is a challenge, and should be challenged back.

          If it can’t be challenged back it has no meaning and should piss off.

        • disqus_NMX

          That’s cool. What are they singing?

      • Who?

        It’s also gone the other way in the past, where the ABs heart rates were too far up, they’d start the game spent. Clearly NZ manages it better these days than in the past, but I don’t believe it’s a clear advantage or disadvantage in any other area than NZ’s mentality.

    • Parker

      Not sure I agree. The first AB/Wallabies game I ever witnessed was at the SCG when Ken Catchpole’s career ended following Meads trying to pull him out of a ruck. I was standing with my dad on the concrete in front of what is now the Brewongle stand. We were close to the fence and If memory serves me well the AB squad broke up into four groups each of which performed the haka facing the crowd around different parts of the oval. To this kid, it was effin terrifying, as it was designed to be, especially when followed by Meads’ effortless brutality. However, I think it entirely appropriate that it was done facing the audience. I think it is unfair and unnecessary that opponents have to deal with facing it, particularly if they are legally limited in their response.Their is absolutely no need for the opponents to be involved in it by being obliged to face it. If the Kiwis want to do it, great. But our guys should be focusing on other things in those important moments before kick off. Very unfair at present.

  • A Dingo Stole My Rugby

    Keep the indigenous jersey for special occasion, landmark tests (like the first BIL test every 12 years), and for end-of-season matches on home soil and on the Spring Tour – make it our celebratory strip. Preserve the indigenous jersey’s special place without devaluing the “standard” strip (and while I’m here, FFS stop tweaking that design in the name of jersey sales every year while you’re at it – those things cost a shipload when you have a tribe of descendants!).

    As for the Haka, that’s nobody’s business but New Zealand’s. Just as it’s none of their business what we do while they’re laying down the challenge.

    I will never forget the 2003 RWC pool match between NZ and Tonga when halfway through the Haka, the Tongans started up, returning the challenge, and the whole stadium roared.

    • disqus_NMX

      I agree that it’s none of our business about the Haka as long as it’s none of their business how we challenge. Unfortunately that’s not the case at the moment. We got dictated to by WR that we aren’t even allowed to sing Waltzing Mathilda FFS. Not that that’s even remotely the ideal challenge, but talk about double standards.

      • onlinesideline

        Thank Christ for that. That was gold medal cringe.

        • John_R

          To truly celebrate our Australian culture, I suggest that after the Haka, the 23 (and Cheika) front up and do a shoey in response.

        • Brisneyland Local

          I was thinking the traditional Australian 23 man brown eye!

        • John_R

          Inspired!!! lol!

        • Brisneyland Local

          Well us Aussies arent really renowned for being culturally poignant. So let us bring out our inner bogan! But I am sure somewhere some one will find this offensive and Poo poo it!
          Pardon the pun!

        • John_R

          It’s actually really difficult to think of a group cultural activity isn’t it?

          I’m coming up with donuts.

          Nipping down to the pub for a pint? Making flat whites? Worshiping the Southern Cross?

        • onlinesideline

          Walk out in barefeet and do the “avoiding the bindy” dance.
          Hey – I just figured out where that Coori dance came from !!!

        • John_R

          mate…. fucken bindies aye…

        • Brisneyland Local

          Just wheel a BBQ out onto the niddle of the paddock and have a bunch of blokes stand around it drinking beer!

        • joy

          And the Wallaroos?

        • Brisneyland Local

          Yeah not sure about that one! Not prepared to talk on behalf of the fairer sex!

        • Parker

          The pink wink, since we’re down in the gutter.

        • Fatflanker

          That’s about the only response that wouldn’t make me cringe.

        • Brisneyland Local

          Well we are quite cringeworthy arent we?

        • Mica

          Have to disagree – the shooey is worse than Waltzing Matilda. A new low in Australia’s sporting history.

      • John_R

        I didn’t realise that World Rugby actually put the kibosh (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5I6CGBNODaY) on any response.

        Seems fairly draconian..

      • Missing Link

        The dulcet tones of John Williamson belting out Waltzing Matilda in front of 80,000 fans is like a skewer through the heart of NZ rugby. Is there any evidence to suggest we have lost more games to them since Waltzing Matilda was banned? If not, there should be! :)

        • Adrian

          He’s my 4th cousin.

        • Dud Roodt

          Get him on the blower then Adrian. We can rustle together a few bob to get him a megaphone and he can belt it out on Saturday night!

    • Attizar

      NZ vs Tonga 2003 in Brisbane was an amazing experience. To be fair the actual game was unremarkable. But when the Tongans starting the Sipi Tau before the Haka had finished the stadium exploded. A terrific memory.

  • Jason

    I’ve always thought the Haka shouldn’t be done, or at very least should be done before the national anthems. Either it gives an unfair advantage (to one team or another) and that advantage should be minimised; or it makes no difference, in either case there is no good reason (other than because it’s how it’s done) to keep the Haka right before the kickoff.

  • John_R

    The haka is sacred, but it’s also extremely common. I went to high school in New Zealand and we would perform the school haka at least once a week, and at the bigger sporting events (particularly the McEvedy Shield) we’d do our haka probably 20-30 times on the day.

    Then you’d be doing it with your mates on the piss at a party, a mates wedding etc etc. All that is to say, yes it’s done a lot. But that’s kind of the point. It’s fun to do it, and is a great way to get the lads around ya. So as Dingo says, that’s their business really.

  • Kiwi rugby lover

    Love the optimism again mate. I think you’re dreaming in thinking the Wallabies are equal in the loose and in the centers. I think we totally outclass the unbalanced Pooper which only ever worked in the first season when it was new and has been an abject failure ever since then. I also think our 9/10 combination provides much better ball to the outside. Yours works well passing right to left but turns to shit going left to right.
    However bring it on. Should be a good game

  • Ian Rodger

    Cipriani should be in the pommy squad! He offers something else, a bit of the unexpected, Ford and Farrel are both very structured in their play. Cipriani is a lot more unpredictable, a bit like QC.

  • Dylan Langes

    Thanks Adrian, some days are tougher than others haha.

    I would like to think it is achievable that we can win back the cup, we just need to do well in game 1, when we do well we come close.

    I am eager to see how Hodge goes at 13, I think some of his best rugby for the Rebels this year was at 13,and with a play maker like Beale inside him it could be a lethal combination.

    I think Tupou will come of the bench to wreck havoc for the last 20 minutes plus. Keep has been in really good form and I don’t see him losing the starting spot.

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