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Tuesday’s Rugby News

Tuesday’s Rugby News is all about odd, off-beat and outlandish statements as well as a quick lap around the grounds to see how the kids are going.


Genia Guarantees It

"box kicks are GREAT"-another bold claim by Genia

“box kicks are GREAT”-another bold claim by Genia

There are times throughout history where people make bold statements and if they’re right they seem to be lost to the annals of time, if they are proven wrong on the other hand it forever is noted against their name and becomes a trivia question.

Let me give you some examples,

“I think there is a world market for maybe five computers”-Thomas J. Watson, IBM

“They couldn’t hit an elephant at this distance”-Major General John Sedgwick, Union Army

“You won’t carry a calculator in your pocket everywhere you go”-Mrs Drover, Ipswich West State School

And we may well be adding Will Genia to that illustrious list.

Speaking to rugby.com.au he’s declared, “We’re going to win. I’m telling you, we’re going to win”.

The Wallabies face Argentina this weekend is a potentially season-, nay, era-defining match. A loss would see the Wallabies slump to last place in TRC and only have a miserly two wins for the year whereas a win might drag them off the bottom of the table but would still only be third win this year for the men in gold.

To back up his bold claim of the assured victory Genia pointed to what he thought were some positives from the weekend’s match, “I thought there were really good bits of play throughout the contest, good interlink between forwards and backs and we were really disciplined in sticking to our shape”. (4th wall again, what’s this obsession with “shape”)

But he also touched on what a lot of us have been screaming at our tellys this year, “I think what let us down was just our execution errors/skill errors at times”.

So, will Will forever be remembered for this claim?  Or can the Wallabies indeed trump the Pumas?

Schools and Under 19 Results

Aus Schools host NZ Schools next weekend Photo: ARU Media/Karen Watson

Aus Schools host NZ Schools next weekend
Photo: ARU Media/Karen Watson

Building on the proud history of Australia dominating the tri-nations, a title the senior team has held since 2011, the Australian schoolboys kicked off their tournament in fine form with a walloping of Tonga.

The Aussies recovered from conceding an early penalty to goal to take full control of the match eventually running out winners, 53 points to 10.

And while the tournament it contested between three countries there are actually four teams getting run.  In addition to the first team the Aussies have also pieced together a Barbarians outfit.

In true BarBars fashion their match against NZ schools was a high scoring affair but alas, the lads from across the way were too good and got the “W” with a 55-31 victory.

The return fixtures will be at Ballymore this coming weekend.

Meanwhile, down in the nation’s capital the under 19 NRC rages on.

Day two saw QLD Country down the Barbarians 30-25, Glory Glory Brisbane City knocked off the Brumbies 28-12, the Melbourne Rebels heaped more pain on Rays supporters with a narrow 28-26 win and NSW Country recovered from their first-round loss to defeat WA 36-22.

With one round to go before the finals QLD Country and Brisbane City remain undefeated while Brumbies, the BarBars and Rebels all have one win and the Rays and Force are still looking to notch up their first for the tournament.   The games continue later this week.

If I could just break the fourth wall here for a moment, if that’s what you call it in this context, but a quick squiz at the team list for the Australian schoolboys reads with a lot “St Such’n’Such” this and “Grammar” that.  The only state school member of the squad hails from Brisbane State High School, who ply their trade in the local GPS competition.  Is this evidence of rugby being too isolated a game?  Discuss.

 

Big Picture Pocock

Pocock looking for positives, and finding them

Pocock looking for positives, and finding them

There’s a guy in every team who isn’t captain but could be.

He gets through a mountain of work on and off the field and when he talks, people listen.

For the Wallabies, that guy has to be David Pocock.

The almost-mythical backrower has been a titan for the Wallabies this year and you could forgive him if he was starting to get frustrated.  Seemingly though, he’s not.

In assessing his side’s performance on the weekend, the Wallabies’ eight looked for the silver lining, “I think it’s probably unhelpful as a player to judge yourself purely on the outcome because you miss a whole bunch of stuff you can actually improve,” he said, seemingly missing the end goal of rugby matches, that being, to win.

“There were more positives out of this game in terms of set piece and way we’re wanting to play”, he continued having not seen the lineouts we’re assuming.

It appears that Pocock is unable to say a bad word about anyone, even Beale’s first minute pass that lead directly to a try for the rainbow nation somehow got praised, “When you’ve got a team-mate who’s backing himself to make that play you’ll back him and you can’t fault that … he’s a competitor, he’s one bloke who stands up and you can count on”.

Why Would You Say That?

Sir Richie could legit take a gun on the field and get away with it.

Sir Richie could legit take a gun on the field and get away with it.

Remember how the Bokke beat the All Blacks recently and there was this collective “oh yeah?  So, they can be beaten” sentiment that gave long-suffering fans of other nations a glimmer of hope?

Well that’s already almost certainly been knocked on the head after Argentinian Mario Ledesma came out and labelled the All Blacks as, and I quote, EASYBEATS, sorry, had to be done, what he really said was that the All Blacks aren’t “untouchable”.

Speaking after the very same All Blacks proved untouchable for his team, the Argentinian coach laid into the world’s premier rugby team. “I thought the All Blacks were not very clinical,” he said.

“They dropped the ball a lot and lost a lot of lineouts”. (although the match stats have NZ winning 13 or their 15 lineouts)

“They are not untouchables”. (gasp)

“It was not the normal New Zealand team that we played against, but we failed to take advantage of the situation. My team made as many line breaks as the All Blacks only to waste scoring opportunities while they took full advantage of theirs.” (again, that stats have NZ with 15 line-breaks to the Argie’s 8)

The first chance to see how the All Blacks respond to this take on their recent from will be when they face up to their recent vanquishers, the Springboks, in Pretoria.

Meanwhile, the Argentinians will host the Wallabies.

 

 

  • Andrew H

    Morning gang, I’m stuck up in Rocky this week due to study commitments, I’ll try to log on and get amongst the comments as best I can but it may not be all that possible.
    You play nice, ya hear and if you don’t I’ll ahhh, ummmm, well, I seem to have talked myself into a corner here.
    Anyway, curious on your thoughts especially regarding the schools and u/19 comps.

    Cheers.

    • Huw Tindall

      Bit of a slow news day I guess. Players and coaches filling column space with inane chat.

      Interesting to see an Aus Schoolboys Babaas team did so well against the baby darkness. Is there hope? What could the main team do?

      • Andrew H

        Inane? Perhaps? Prophetic? Let’s hope.
        As for Ledesma’s comments, I’m not sure the losing team really is in a position to call our the victors for being “untouchable”, maybe in a close game but the ABs did it pretty easily.

    • juswal

      Mrs Drover is not pleased about this smart-aleckery, Andrew.

      • Andrew H

        Mrs Drover was rarely pleased by anything.

    • Kiwi rugby lover

      I don’t know enough about the way the schools teams are managed but I have heard a lot of complaints here previously about teams being picked before the trial games and the like.

      I’d hope the players are the best available and not picked on reputation alone

      • Andrew H

        How do you give kids from schools that don’t play rugby at all a look in?

  • I commented in yesterday’s news that all head coaches are out of touch with reality. Yesterday I was rude about Cheika. Today… well Ledesma’s grasp on reality is no better than Cheiks’. But – his side need a bit of a lift. They’re not going to face the ABs for a big chunk of time, so being incorrectly up about his side in comparison to them won’t come back to bite him in a couple of weeks. It might make us laugh at him but it won’t hurt the team. That makes me wonder how the team take the rubbish Cheika spouts…

    Pointing out the little bits they did well (they made a fair few line breaks against the AB is good news) is not a bad thing. And the Wobs at home next weekend, despite Genia’s guarantee, is a far more winnable match for Los Pumas.

    • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

      I don’t think the All Blacks gave looked great since 2016, despite them still being the best in the world.

      A lot of it has to do with Barrett’s hot and old nature.

      • I don’t think they’ve looked consistently great for 80 minutes, match in, match out. They’ve had some awesome halves though.

        I’m not sure it’s all down to Barrett – I think they’ve started to be better, with their top team on the park this year. They need to get BB, Crotty, Goodhue playing regularly. Sorry SBW but go back to the NRL if you want, or warm the pine. ALB would actually be my pine-warmer for Japan though. I feel sorrier for Laumape and he might get a start if Crotty is forced to retire before Japan thanks to his bad habit of tackling with his head instead of his arms.

        But the BB, RC, JG inside backs seems to make the AB click in a way that should make the rest of the world sit up and worry. It makes me sit up and take notice… in good ways when they’re playing anyone else.

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          Beauden Barrett generally clicks for 80 minutes against shit teams with poor defence like the Wallabies. He struggles against teams with really good rush defences.

          He is the closest type of 10 they have to Foley. Only he is 1000 times more talented than Foley.

        • Brisneyland Local

          Oh so true!

        • Brisneyland Local

          Oh so true!

        • He’s definitely at least 1,000 times more talented than Foley.

          I think I agree he plays in a similar kind of way to Foley. I find it hard to judge. One is generally pretty successful (bar very hot and cold and goal kicking) and has players around him that react well when he throws the play book out and does something unexpected. The other… seems to have players around him that don’t react well even when he runs the called play and combines that with an inability to kick well from hand and a seeming inability to pass the ball to players outside him in space.

          But one certainly got shut down by a BIL that targeted him. I’d argue he’s improved since then. Everyone is talking about the SA defensive effort in their defeat of the ABs, quite rightly. However, the ABs scored six tries in that match, which doesn’t suggest Barrett was shut down and struggled really. Their defence stopped him performing some of his trademark plays and forced him into being a convention kick/pass 10 but he performed those roles well, it was just the kicks from tee that went awry.

        • Who?

          Agree with both of you, have been saying basically the same thing for a good while now. Both are good (or great) all round Rugby players, but neither is a traditional specialist 10. Both have been seen as 15’s, both are running players who are at their best when they can use their individual skills at pace to set up those around them or to take on the line. Neither is likely to create a try off a 25m triple cutout to a runner in a hole compare to finding a gap 8m off the side of a ruck.
          It’s similar to Hooper. Michael Hooper is a fantastic rugby player. He’s just not a traditional specialist 7. So when he’s judged in that capacity (i.e. by the number on his back), he comes up short. The problem isn’t his skills, it’s the number on his back. Similarly, Beauden and Bernard are quality Rugby players. No question, Beauden’s talent ceiling is *insert adjective here* higher, but in terms of the traditional role of a 10 in the professional era, neither is a comfortable fit. Beauden’s just lucky that he’s in a team that’s better adapted to his USP’s.

        • I wonder if, in 15 years time, assuming we both remember this exchange, we’ll look back and shake our heads.

          I understand what you’re saying, expressed this way (although I’ve argued against it when you’ve expressed what is essentially the same argument in a different way before) and I think I agree with it.

          What makes me wonder though, about that possible looking back in 15 years time – I’m going to take a wild punt that the AB go on to win the RWC in 2019 with BB wearing the 10 jersey. (That’s an essay in itself.) Hopeful 10 boys and girls world wide want to grow up to be the next BB. Coaches start having to adapt as more and more players come through with that skill set and attitude. And in 15 years time, the roles of the inside backs will look much more like those the current ABs are carving out around the way Barrett is redefining the game.

        • Who?

          It’ll be very interesting to see how inside backs develop over the next 15 years… I’m not certain that players will be the next Beauden Barrett. Because I think that, in some ways, he’s kind of the typical Under 13’s 10 who wasn’t ever moved to a more ‘natural’ position. Junior coaches far too often look at their kids, find their fastest, most elusive larger kid (remember, Beaudy’s 6’2″ and 92kg (exactly the same height and weight as Quade, fascinatingly, but faster and a different shape), so he’s not exactly small, even though he’s seemingly the runt of the Barrett litter), and stick them at 10. It’s a mistake. The outside backs pretty well never see the ball, because the 10 doesn’t want to pass it. And when someone eventually convinces them to pass it, they’ll either shovel it on, or they’ll try and loop to get the ball back. Both of which have long been part of Beauden’s game (though there’s constant effort to reduce the shovelling).

          Beauden never passes when there’s an opportunity to run. He’ll run, chip, offload, but not pass early if there’s a sniff of an opening. He’ll pass early if he sees space out wide (and will chase), or if there’s nothing on (where he’ll rely on someone – SBW, Laumape – to run straight and hard). You’re more likely to see Crotty work to create space for a runner than Beauden, who’s at his best when he’s at full pace.

          I sound like I dislike him, and I really don’t. I’ve been a fan for years. I was stoked when he got the starting 10 over Cruden. But since then, I’ve come to this understanding where I think he’s a great all round Rugby player, just not a specialist 10.

          So I think that, rather than being the prototype for the 10 of the future, there’s a really good chance that Beauden’s the exception to the rule, the kid who managed to be so good at what he does to avoid being shuffled out of his preferred position, even though he doesn’t have the same depth of talent in some of the key attributes you’d typically expect in a 10. I mean, is blistering pace usually a consideration? I’d argue no – it wasn’t for Ella, Lynagh, Larkham. His kicking is better than Foley’s, but he’s not even the best in his family. His passing game isn’t at the same level as DMac or Mo’unga. But his fellow midfielders provide him good running options, in the same way Beale is a running option for Foley. And Beauden’s learned to use them enough.

          I think that kids will still grow up wanting to be what they see in their national team. Aussies, I worry about us. Irish kids will want to be Sexton (rightly so!). Poms will idolize Farrell (given he’s sort of the new Jonny Wilkinson). And coaches will select players who are the best available to them who best suit their game plan. If they don’t have a Beauden Barrett available, coaches will more than happily select Richie Mo’ungas.

          I say this because the same argument is regularly used about Michael Hooper. Even by such esteemed writers as Nick Bishop. And whilst I see Hooper’s USP, and appreciate that he’s a unique footballer, I don’t see the #7 role changing to follow his lead. Because regardless of how good an individual player is, unless the player’s skillset can be replicated consistently, then the player can’t change the KPI’s of the position. And if a player’s truly unique, they can’t be replicated. Pocock’s a monster at the breakdown, but he’s not the only one. Richie wasn’t the GOAT because he did things others couldn’t. He’s the GOAT because he did more things at a higher level than anyone else. Eales is the greatest Wallaby for the same reason.

          EDIT: Great discussion, Eloise. :-)

        • I certainly accept your points. I think Barrett could be good enough to be a mould-breaker and start defining the roles of the inside backs.

          Hooper, whilst I understand your point, I disagree with. Someone needs to fill the fetcher role, still, despite Jones and his experiment at England. (Haskell and Robshaw kind of work because while neither of them are pure fetchers they both can, so they’re kind of left and right fetchers, although they actually bind as blindside and open side, but even Jones is looking at a dedicated 7 now.) The problem with picking Hooper is that he unbalances the back row and forces someone else to pick up that role but he doesn’t really cover another back row role to make up for it. if he did, you’d pick him at 6 or 8 instead and have a Pocock at 7 full-time.

          While I agree Barrett’s first instinct is to do it himself, he does also engage those dangerous backs – otherwise Ben Smith wouldn’t be the leading runner in the competition, a country mile ahead of everyone else. Speed definitely wasn’t the defining characteristic of a 10, but BB, DMac, Biggar, Jantjies and a few others are starting to make it more common and I think we might see it becoming even more common.

          But… we’ll see in 10-15 years I guess.

        • Who?

          We’ll see about Barrett. :-)
          He does engage those outside backs – it’s just not the same internal decision making matrix as your average 10. Your average 10 thinks pass/kick/run, or kick/pass/run, whereas Barrett is run/pass/kick. But he’s clearly had drilled into him by the entire NZ system that he has to pass, so his natural instincts are tempered by that requirement to pass, and an explanation of how to select the receiver.
          You’re right about speed at 10 becoming a factor for the first time in a while, with a good number of faster 10’s. But I still see that as a bonus, rather than a requirement. If you don’t have vision, then speed won’t make up for it.
          Hooper, I don’t think he’s a mould breaker or maker, because I agree that he unbalances the backrow, as well as being hard to replicate. If Eddie had his way, he’d have a George Smith (or Pocock) – and he’s actually had that criticism of England since before 2015 (that they need a genuine fetcher). I believe Lancaster would’ve loved one, too. It’s just that neither found one (yet). Not sure why England’s system produces no fetching flankers…
          I’ve long said the only time we were balanced with Hooper at 7 was with Mowen and Fardy at 8 and 6, because they were both hard on ball loose forwards, which freed him to run. Mowen was often criticised for not running enough, but that allowed Hooper to run while Mowen and Fardy secured the breakdown.

        • I would argue that England does produce them, but coaches don’t pick them. Kvesic at Exeter for example, in the current crop, and he was picked by Lancaster but only for the midweek team on June tours (he was competing with the team captain). There are a few others, but it has to be said that quite a few of the English club sides import their open side flankers – there’s a certain Mr. Smith, a sprinkling of other Aussies, Kiwis, Saffas and some Welsh players in those slots that I can think of, off the top of my head. Makes it harder for homegrown talent to break into the limelight I guess, and the Premiership doesn’t look to develop local talent for such a key area, it imports proven talent.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          I agree BB Crotty and Goodhue are the best combo. Bring in Ioane, Naholo and B Smith and I think they’ll test any other team

        • I think a fit Milner-Skudder needs to be considered in that back three too. But I really wouldn’t complain about that line up either.

      • Kiwi rugby lover

        How much greater do they need to look? They’re winning games, introducing depth with game time for the players and changing tactics to counter the rush defence every other team has copied in a way that allows them to improve but not give away what they’re doing.

        They played the Lions and while they didn’t win they did play well against a very good team that would have thrashed most other teams. They consistently beat most teams even with an off day.

        The only thing that appears wrong is that they aren’t winning by 50 points every time they take the field. I think expectations are too high rather than them not looking great.

        • juswal

          Hook, line and sinker. Nice cast, Daryl.

        • Richard Patterson

          Always interested in your thoughts juswal.

        • juswal

          I don’t believe you

        • Dud Roodt

          Look, it’s time you just accepted that your beloved All Blacks are well shit mate. Like, proper shit. Probably the shittest footy team I’ve ever seen.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Bahahawahaha

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Bahahawahaha

        • Missing Link

          And don’t get me started on their boring jersey. It’s been the same now for how many years? They should introduce some bright colours and edgy designs like Reebok did for us in 1997!

        • Dud Roodt

          Always loved the vomit inspired 1997 jersey.

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          They lost at home to a team they beat 57-0 last year, lost another match at home last year and drew the next one. Probably deserved to lose in Dunedin to the Wallabies also but for Foley’s kicking and the final high ball drop.

          At the start of last year they hadn’t lost a home game since 2009. Since then they’ve lost two, drawn another and should probably have lost a third despite not having played the second best teams in the world over the period (England last year and Ireland this year). It’s a pretty significant difference.

          I think they look disjointed on attack and are trying I play too aggressively on the gain line all the time. When it works it is fantastic, but when it doesn’t come off they look vulnerable and cough up a lot of ball.

          They don’t seem to have the ability to change into a game managing team that kicks to the corners and slows the pace down.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          I’m not so sure. I think that Hansen is deliberately not showing all his cards. I guess come RWC we’ll know for sure

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          I don’t think he would have sacrificed the Lions series, or so many home games. I think it’s just natural that (1) there will be a decline after Carter, McCaw, Nonu and Smith retired and (2) Shag has been coaching a long time with a target on his back, other coaches have been studying his coaching and tried to counter it.

          The All Blacks are still the best side, but they’re undoubtedly closer to the pack than from 2011-15 (despite how shit South Africa and Aus, NZs two main rivals, have been since 2015). Because of their successses in the past the All Blacks get compared against their previous iterations, not just against other teams. This current All Blacks side has far more frequent off days than the 2011-15 one.

        • Richard Patterson

          You have outlined many good points DBTB – although I do sense you are being a little disrespectful to Ireland who right now are a classy, intelligent, skilful international side. Their clash with the All Blacks in Dublin in November promises to be a fascinating contest.

          The fact is the All Blacks don’t want to slow the pace of the game down. They believe that works to the benefit of the opposing team. The Blacks want to speed the game up. They believe the combination of speed + skill + accuracy = points and will beat most teams on most days. They want opposition teams to try playing them at their game. They think trying to execute accurately at speed will cause mistakes and those mistakes / turnovers will be fuel for the All Blacks attacking speed. I sense the tries we saw from turnovers in the recent Bledisloe Cup games is testiment to their point. I guess we shall see through the remainder of 2018.

        • idiot savant

          Great points Richard. Which is why a territory game backed by brutal line speed defence, as used by the Boks in their victory is the best hope of beating them.

        • Richard Patterson

          Yes indeed IS. The B&I Lions last year and the Springboks 2 weeks ago showed the benefits of aggressive line speed. Do you think though that aggressive line speed can potentially be a double edged sword? The Wallabies showed it for 40 minutes in both the recent Bledisloe Cup tests before it cooked conditioning levels, and they watched the game bust open in the final 25-30 minutes.

          As Hansen stated back in June… “we want to play the game at full bore with accuracy. That’s our challenge and if it comes off, it doesn’t matter who you play. You play that game well you can rip anyone apart”. However. as he cautioned… “But if you don’t have accuracy with it, you can be beat too and that’s happened with us in the past”. 2 costly tries against the Springboks from inaccuracy was ultimately a big contributor to the losing of the recent test match. This Saturday in Pretoria, a test match in Tokyo and then big games in London and Dublin will give us good insight on the way forward.

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          The only thing I said about Ireland is that they are the second best team in the world. How is that being disrespectful? Also, I’m half Irish…

          The All Blacks may think that, and while it comes off it is spectacular, but it is also very inconsistent and leads to errors the opposition can feed on. The Irish team, with a clearly inferior squad in terms of talent – especially in the backline – are far more ruthlessly consistent, and make far fewer errors.

          While the All Blacks may be the better team, Ireland look the better coached team.

        • Richard Patterson

          Very sorry pal – I missed your reference to Ireland in an earlier post. There is no doubt that playing rugby can be a lot like driving a car. The faster you go, the bigger the mess if you get your execution wrong or lose control of the wheel.

          Joe Schmidt is a highly intelligent rugby coach and Ireland’s win over the All Blacks in Chicago in 2016 was a blueprint on how to beat this team. For some reason the team that plays the All Blacks most frequently has never tried to replicate it.

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          Because we have to win playing Australian, running rugby…

          Deans actually tried to do it, but he played against some very good All Black sides. Better than this one.

        • Who?

          Perhaps the decline in quality of the Wallabies and Bokke over the last few years has hurt the ABs…

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          Yeah, it’s possible. Shag hasn’t been kept honest by us as he could usually count on an easy victory both home and away.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          I’m not so sure. I think that Hansen is deliberately not showing all his cards. I guess come RWC we’ll know for sure

        • Kokonutcreme

          “They don’t seem to have the ability to change into a game managing team that kicks to the corners and slows the pace down.”

          You’re right they don’t, its still a work in progress. After the Lions series they learned a lot about themselves, especially their vulnerabilities against teams that retain possession extremely well and don’t give away many loose chances for the All Blacks to exploit.

          Not many people noticed after the Lions series that the All Blacks attacking kicking game, which had been an effective weapon since 2012, had virtually disappeared for the rest of the season. They kicked a lot more against Argentina last week than what we’ve seen all RC so far.

          They were also building attacks off multiple phases more frequently which has not been their modus operandi, statistically the All Blacks are head and shoulders above any team in converting attacks into tries in less than 5 phases. That’s where they break opposition teams and blow them apart, and why possession and territory statistics don’t make sense when you look at the scoreline. The game in Wellington was a complete role reversal, similar to when they lost to England in 2012, they dominated every match statistic except for two – the scoreline and goalkicking accuracy.

          Last year the All Blacks were deliberately slowing down the pace of their game, something that Eddie Jones had noticed when everyone else was trying to play at increased pace and commented in an interview. They had to learn how to attack against the aggressive linespeed that’s now in vogue as well as improve how they defend against their achilles heel – when teams constantly pick and drive or turn the ball back inside close to the ruck against the direction of their line speed. France exposed them at times during their series, but its noticeable since then, they’ve made subtle shifts in the speed they get off the line closer to the ruck, compared to wider of the ruck as well as the adjustment of their ruck pillars so teams are finding it harder to get in behind them.

          They showed some new attacking plays in the French series that we haven’t seen again so far in the RC, particularly off the top of their lineout.

          As Richard posted earlier, Hansen stated his objectives for the team at the start of their test season knowing that it will take the better part of this year and next year before it becomes embedded in the players.

          Ledesma was accurate in his appraisal of the All Blacks last Saturday. In the overall scheme of things, Hansen will still be happy with how the team is progressing as he continues to build minutes into the rookies and incumbents returning from injury, things aren’t perfect now, but neither should they be as everyone begins their build up to the World Cup.

          You can’t lose over 500 caps of experience and not expect there to be a dip, fortunately for Kiwi fans and frustratingly for opposition fans that dip is not as deep as predicted and expected.

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          Not convince they were deliberately slowing down the pace of the game, as I thought last year they were playing even more aggressively on the advantage line, and making even more errors.

          I think the deep is as bad as expected. Australia and South Africa have just been too poor to take advantage of it. Ireland should provide a sterner test.

        • Human

          KRL, The AB’s are not winning by 50 every time they play, because they only play the Wobs thrice per year!!

    • Kiwi rugby lover

      Absolutely. Nothing to lose and everything to gain for his team.

  • The Jackal

    Seems like the only way we will rid ourselves of Cheika is if a player sends some kind of obscene image of a female or male support staff member implicating her/him in some kind of extra marital affair with Cheika. We will need a prominent AUS rugby journo, perhaps a Geerob from the SMH to provide incessant white anting articles about Cheika and tout the virtues of another coach in the wings. To finish it off we may need a group of prominent senior players from one province in particular to band together like a cartel and withdraw support from Cheika, sprinkle in a piss weak administration and half a week of venom & innuendo in rugby forums and social media and he might just fall on his sword.

    Farcical I know, would never happen, but a guy can dream.

    • Dud Roodt

      I couldn’t bare the image of two national coaches sulking off down a hallway!

    • Alister Smith

      He is gone either way by November next year (unless he wins the World Cup).

    • Brisneyland Local

      Yep.

    • Brisneyland Local

      Yep.

    • Brian Ko

      ha! We can only hope. Could be Beale’s best performance of the year

  • Geoffro

    Bizarro Pocock: “well, Kurtley got us off to a great start didn’t he,he’s always doin’ stupid shit like that and what about Hoops ! he wants to be a back why didn’t he catch the farkin’ thing.Man, I’m sick of carrying these guys,bunch of gay pussies.”

    • Alister Smith

      Personally I think Hooper was playing under intsturctions playing as wide as he did. Pocock was occasionally (though not as much as Hooper) playing between the centre and winger on the other side. I am guessing that they were trying to beat the rush defense with quick balls to the wing and they wanted to have a loose forward there if/when it broke down. It obviously didnt work particularly well. Hooper normally plays a little wide but this time it looked like more than usual. IMO of course.

      • Geoffro

        Whatever the hell it was,something or someone cocked it up and Dyanti strolled over for a gimme.

      • Geoffro

        Whatever the hell it was,something or someone cocked it up and Dyanti strolled over for a gimme.

      • idiot savant

        I think youre right. Someone said yesterday that journos invited to training saw the Wallabies practice the long overhead pass to Hooper out wide. It was a strategy to beat rush defence.

        • Human

          The journo also wrote that the same move was picked off TWICE during one training session…and the opposition at training was not as nimble as Dyantyi.

    • Andrew H

      We can dream…..

  • Kiwi rugby lover

    Thanks Andrew. Big call by Genia and to be fair if they get their shit together they should win. It’s going to be intriguing to see how the selections pay out this week and whether Cheika is going to admit he’s got some calls wrong and makes the changes that are needed. I’m not holding my breath on this as turning blue and dying isn’t on my list of things to do.

    I’d be worried about the Argies, they thought they’d play better than they did and will be looking to make amends at home. Beat the Boks already and could create an ambush on the Wallabies.

    Nice of Pocock to back Beale but it was still a dumb move.

    • disqus_NMX

      Well the Argies are ranked 9th in the world, and we are 7th, lol, so we *should* beat them. But on current form, we have Buckleys. If they win, they move to 8th, if they smash us, they move to 7th and us to 8th.

    • Brisneyland Local

      Squad mates will always back squad mates. But you are right, that was stupid. If QC threw that pass the website would be filled with a diatribe of get rid of him. But alas we are stuck with Beale. And Foley. And Hooper. And Cheika. Arghhhhhh it is killing me.

      • Brian Ko

        Hooper – the best centre/wing forward in world rugby. So if he is sea gulling on the wing but doesn’t have any pace and he isn’t pilfering … why do we need him?

        • Brisneyland Local

          I dont think we need him as Captain. I dont think we need him as a 7. I think we need him as a Impact player off the bench that can cover a number of positions. That’s my thoughts anyway.

        • He wasn’t bad on the wing!

        • Brisneyland Local

          Mate he was outside the wingers. How scary is that?

        • Simon

          Almost as scary as seeing the blindside flanker outside the wingers on the other side of the field. Particularly in the Bledisloe games when said flanker was a gassed 125kg lock and the Wallabies were turning the ball over constantly.

        • Brisneyland Local

          Yep!

        • Difference is, whether it’s Squire or Frizell or Fifita (remember him?) the ABs know how to use them and get the ball to them and when to get the ball to them.

          Also, their close defence doesn’t seem to suffer for it, and you don’t get that berserk charge we see from Hooper that leaves a lovely BB sized hole in the defence and 4 tries to their 10… OK, there aren’t many 10’s with Barrett’s step but still.

        • Simon

          Those guys are also far more mobile than our blindsides (particularly Tui) so they aren’t as mismatched. Even Dane Coles can handle himself out there. And all of them are helped by the fact the ABs don’t turn over the ball as much, and whichever opposition they are up against, if they do turn it over that opposition is far less dangerous at swinging the ball wide on counterattack than the ABs!

        • I agree with all of that. I’d add that when the AB do turn the ball over, the players near the first breakdown, even the second if necessary know that some big forward is out on the wing and someone covers that gap seamlessly. On the flip side, if the side that wins the turnover spreads it wide, then often there’s a mismatch when someone is suddenly hit by a hooker or a blindside flanker unexpectedly, or the ruck is, and the ball comes back…

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Exactly

    • Richard Patterson

      Well said as always KRL. However way the Pumas want to chop it up, they were disappointing on the weekend. They made that classic mistake of getting too emotionally up for trying to beat the All Blacks and the game was over after 25 minutes. They will want to address that and this weekend shapes as a timely opportunity. Both sides will have plenty to prove. The Pumas will have a stadium full of fans demanding it.

      Ledesma is accurate with much of his comments — but the AB’s emptied a very young bench early. They will be better for the experience. Oh – and did someone say there might have been an eye on Pretoria this weekend…

    • Andrew H

      Morning KRL.
      Maybe if you hold your breath and turn blue Cheika will pick you?

    • Parker

      The simple move MC needs to make is move Toomua to 10 and Beale to 12. Not much to admit there

  • Custard Taht

    Here is a left field idea, lets start Gordon at 9 and Genia at 10 and Beale or Toomua at 12…I know the reds tried it, but I think it would go better than what we have trotted out so far.

    • Geoffro

      Don’t know if playing another guy out of position would be the answer.At least Genia can tackle though.

      • Custard Taht

        The case for:
        1. He can kick pretty good and further than 20m,
        2. He can throw a good pass both sides.
        3. He can threaten the line with his runs and won’t crab.
        4. He can keep his head out of the way of the football.
        5. He can organise a back line.
        6. He is not a robot and will take opportunities as they present
        7. Will defend at 10
        8. He doesn’t panic or suffer brain farts.
        9. Doubt we would hold the football for 32 mins out of 40 and score no points.

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          Genia has no idea how to play at 10, and he actually misses a lot of tackles.

          Gordon has been an average scrumhalf all season. Decent without being spectacular. Has some great highs but poor moments too and misses a lot of tackles.

          Why would we do that when we have Toomua and (I know lots of people hate this suggestion) Quade, who are actual 10s.

          Genia is our best halfback. Why move one of our few very good players into an alien position?

        • Custard Taht

          I personally agree with what you say…however Cheika is not going to pick Quade and not play Toomua at 10. The foley 10 Beale 12 axis isn’t working and Beale 10 and anyone at 12 won’t work. Genia at 10 would be no more alien than the 2 other current options. At least Genia has had the benefit from playing inside a real ten to see how it is done.

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          I can see Cheike opting for Toomua at 10.

          If he doesn’t, he might find himself out of a job very quickly…

          Even if he does do so, he might find himself out of a job very quickly…

        • Custard Taht

          I hope you are right….but history has shown a Cheika doesn’t change its spots. My gut feel is we will see Pop Taht at 10 and Head Staht at 12. Toomua has been tried and tested, he didn’t make either of the other 2 better or hide their deficiencies, so experiment failed, pull the pin, Toomua needs to go back and learn to love Rugby again.

        • disqus_NMX

          QC’s performances for Bris City this season have been turning a lot of heads and creating a lot of pro-QC momentum from former haters lately. I’m starting to smell a QC Wallabies revival. The Genia-QC-Toomua idea might have been re-hatched at the Rebels, but could end up being preempted in the Wallabies line up in the end of year tour. And yeah, before anyone says so, I’m not talking about this happening under Cheika, Cheika is gone.

    • Brisneyland Local

      MAte the 10 from the Under 15 D Team from Wagga Wagga would do a better job!

      • Custard Taht

        Too true! Maybe Thurston would consider a cameo

        • Brisneyland Local

          Many years ago, Thurston almost changed to Union. A sliding door moment. But I would have loved to have seen him play union. I think he would have been very good.

        • Custard Taht

          Absolute legend, probably the best player I have ever seen. The fact the opposition knew what to expect and still couldn’t stop him speaks volumes…that show and go!

          Well at least we can watch Foley at 10 and Beale at 12 this weekend….

        • Brisneyland Local

          Yep, that is what I am worried about.

    • Andrew H

      What’s the worst that could happen?

  • Brian Ko

    Re: Beale – “he’s a competitor, he’s one bloke who stands up and you can count on”… wow. there’s a reason why he isn’t the waratahs 10, why Australia didn’t beat the Lions (someone forgot to put in the long studs), etc. Very tiring to listen to his mates on Foxsports (excluding Nick McArdle – who actually tries to promote discussion) talk about how if Beale is smiling the team are going well… sadly, all I look for now is a glimpse of Beale’s pearly whites pre-game to see if we are going to have any hope.

    Has everyone been watching Quade Cooper for Brisbane City? From a personal perspective, watching him play brings some excitement and entertainment back into the game, something this code needs more of. It’s time for Cheika to swallow his pride and bring him back into the fold. Admittedly, changing a 10 doesn’t do much for the team unless they fix the issues with the lineout. It doesn’t seem like any of the current crop of hookers are up to international standard. Would be great to see Rangi get a chance

    • Missing Link

      I watched the battle of brisvegas on sunday afternoon. Cooper was great!

      • Bernie Chan

        Still created tries with passes no one else can envision, but his game management was the highlight…

        • Andrew H

          I wonder if Thorn watched the QLD derby? Cooper was all over it and Hamish Stewart got carded….

        • Bernie Chan

          Wouldn’t matter methinks…alas…

        • Parker

          Evidence makes no difference to an ideoogue.

  • Brian Ko

    Re: Beale – “he’s a competitor, he’s one bloke who stands up and you can count on”… wow. there’s a reason why he isn’t the waratahs 10, why Australia didn’t beat the Lions (someone forgot to put in the long studs), etc. Very tiring to listen to his mates on Foxsports (excluding Nick McArdle – who actually tries to promote discussion) talk about how if Beale is smiling the team are going well… sadly, all I look for now is a glimpse of Beale’s pearly whites pre-game to see if we are going to have any hope.

    Has everyone been watching Quade Cooper for Brisbane City? From a personal perspective, watching him play brings some excitement and entertainment back into the game, something this code needs more of. It’s time for Cheika to swallow his pride and bring him back into the fold. Admittedly, changing a 10 doesn’t do much for the team unless they fix the issues with the lineout. It doesn’t seem like any of the current crop of hookers are up to international standard. Would be great to see Rangi get a chance

  • Hitcho

    So the general consensus is that Rugby in Australia relies on the Wallabies doing well to support the game in Australia. I missed the Wallabies last game, then found myself deleting my recording of it. It’s the first time that I can remember not watching the Wallabies play because I couldn’t be bothered watching yet another poor display (win or lose). How sad is that.

    I remember sitting hungover behind Hooper and Simmons at an Auckland airport Asian takeaway after the Wallabies had just had 52 points put on them by the AB’s. I had to get up and move because all I heard was them whinge like kid’s about this decision and that decision by the ref. It was everyone else’s fault but theirs why they lost. Until there is a legitimate acceptance that they are not up to scratch in all areas then nothing is going to change except that I’ll be missing more matches.

  • Missing Link

    I’ve been holding firm with Cheika and the Wallabies, absorbing the koolaid-234 like it’s a radioactive isotope but now I’ve taken in too much and I’m starting to feel sick. Something needs to change, and by something, I mean lots of things. We are gone this week, Los Pumas will make us wish our worst problem was lasers in the crowd, and on Sunday afternoon, we will be left wondering if RA are going to do anything? I would not be surprised if they do nothing.

    I’m convinced now that this is the way forward:
    Cheika, Grey, Larkham and Raiwalui all gone. replaced with coaches who have a proven track record at international level with a top tier team. Byrne can stay as he has that.

    Hooper is not captain. Hooper and Beale will need to play for their spot from the bench. Beale should never play 10 again, I don’t know what Cheika was thinking.

    Bring in Quade Cooper and start him at 10. Genia at 9 and Toomua at 12.

    Banks and Folau on Wings. DHP at FB. Hodge can stay at 13 for now.

    Locks – Rodda, Coleman and Arnold
    Backrow – Cottrell, Pocock, Timu

    Props are fine, but we have a major problem at 2. We need to look outside of TPN, Latu, BPA, FF. There has to be someone who can throw a lineout and do enough work around the park to justify selection. Can’t believe James Hanson is overseas, even bloody Mann-Rea didn’t do a bad job when he was called up a few years ago.

    Tell me I’m wrong?

    • Brisneyland Local

      You are right.
      ML for Wallabies Director.
      I would raid what ever is left in the bank and bring in Sir Graham Henry for 12 months. Just to the world cup. He can select who ever he wants as assistant coaches. I am pretty sure he would stick with Mick Byrne. He can select any eligible player. This 12 months will get us to the world cup. During this 12 months we go and speak to every free agent coach around the world (i.e. those that will be free after the world cup. As that list is pretty long). That is our go to market strategy!
      Thoughts?

      • Missing Link

        Cheers BL. We have seen people promoted beyond their capabilities in business, the same applies to rugby. Pains me to say this but I think it applies to Cheika and Co.

        • Brisneyland Local

          Yes I think that is the case.

      • RF

        I’d welcome Henry, at this stage of his life I think the role might be more hassle than it is worth to him though.

        I’ve a feeling it will be Jake White or one of the previous Wallaby coaches though.

        • Brisneyland Local

          For 12 months only I thought it would be right up his alley. I think he would gain a degree of satisfaction out of it.

        • I agree it’s hard to see Henry interested. Problem: who is available? Paying out Cheika’s contract AND paying out a club/region contact to pick up a new coach probably isn’t possible!
          We can’t keep doing patch jobs either – and Cheika was that too. Feel like that’s all we do. Cheika is right in trying to build consistency in coaching staff, but his hiring had been crap (except Byrne).

        • disqus_NMX

          How many board members are there in RA? How much do we pay them? And what do they actually do that is useful? I see all the money we need right there.

        • I think that this is all publicly available in tax returns and/or annual reports? Anyone?

        • Bakkies

          Yeah it is in the annual reports. I suggest you go through the financials you will be shocked.

        • disqus_NMX

          How will we be shocked? Come on, don’t leave us in suspense!

        • Bakkies

          At what they have thrown money away at, the paltry Community Rugby contributions and the payouts. They still owe $1.8 million this financial year in Western Force salaries.

        • Bakkies

          Jake White usually puts international out clauses in his contracts.

      • Fatflanker

        It won’t happen but Jake White is the realistic go-to. He’s keen for it and he’s available. Yeah, he’s a team-jumping merc but, bar possibly England, there isn’t much in the way of tier 1 international jobs coming up to tempt him away and we could lock him in.

        At this point I would be very happy with some Jake White pragmatism – picture a team where the biggest boot (Hodge) takes all the clearance kicks; we never turn down a viable penalty shot at goal; we have a maul that can’t be stopped 10m out; we’re not afraid to up-and-under the try-line with the world’s best jumper contesting…my God, I’m almost excited to be a wallabies supporter again!

        • Brisneyland Local

          Mate I would be happy with him. Happier with Henry, but if he wont take it Jake Ball is a goer in my book.

        • Who?

          I don’t think Twiggy could afford Ted!
          Can you imagine Jake ball with our current pack? Current pack with guys like Timu, Cottrell, etc dubbed in. We have the power to put together a great game in that style, provided they’re well coached and cohesive. I reckon he’d drag home Nic White, so our 9’s would be White and Genia. Toomua and Cooper would be the options at 10, for their tactical kicking. Naivalu would get a run on one wing, maybe Folau. I’m confident Banks would be there (pace and a great boot – fits the Jesse Mogg skillset, but harder). We have the talent for his game.

        • Brisneyland Local

          I agree with you!

    • idiot savant

      Hows Andrew Ready going in the Mitre10 Cup? He can throw line outs, scrummage and pilfer.

      • Perth girl

        Both signed for WSR! that will probably count against them

      • Bernie Chan

        Ready (and others…) got dropped by the Ballymore Church Choir…didn’t know the words to the song. No wonder he went to play Mitre 10 Cup in NZ…

      • Missing Link

        I’d give Rangi from the Rebels a run ahead of them both. He came up against greater opposition than Tessman and Ready had to face and he showed his worth. Also plays with a lot of heart.

        It’s a real shame James Hanson went overseas.

    • idiot savant

      Cheika and Hooper aren’t going anywhere. The board and management are completely invested in their continuance regardless of results.You dont hand someone a 5 year contract and then not back them to continue as a first choice player and captain. I thought it was interesting that the only time Cheika appeared confident in the post match interview was when he said this group is united.

      • RF

        Hooper isn’t going anywhere as he’s a fantastic player (in my opinion).

        Cheika is toast.

        • Greg

          I agree he has ability but am puzzled by his role (mostly) out in the tram tracks while we struggle up the middle.

          What would you say is Hooper’s best role in the team?

          My view is 7 and captain is not it. I would go for an impact sub along with Beale.

          What’s your view?

        • Missing Link

          how hard is it to transition Hooper to play hooker? left of field suggestion, I know but Hooper could be in the mould of Dane Coles if he could manage the lineout throwing.

        • Greg

          Interesting idea! Add 10kg and lose his neck…

          My next thought was “potentially another player trying to play a position that is not his” but that is not really valid atm. He doesn’t seem to specialise in any particular position.

        • Missing Link

          Compare hooper to Dane Coles in his prime, both have pace, can pass, can tackle. similar height and weight and both love playing on the wing. The only difference is I’ve never seen, nor do I know if hooper can manage to throw a lineout. I know it’s a specific skill that would take time, but we have mick the kick, the skillsmaster!

          If he could manage the lineout, it would solve our lack of hooker problem, with Uelese coming back in off the bench once he’s fit. TPN, BPA, FF, Latu aren’t really exciting me at the moment. Plus the added benefit of having taller timber in our back row to compliment our locks. perhaps giving us 3/4 line out options.

        • idiot savant

          Ive often wondered about Hooper at hooker myself. However I think theres a long apprenticeship needed in scrummaging.

        • onlinesideline

          may be same height and weight but not same build mate. He’d get squashed.

      • Christopher

        Who’s decision is the 5 year contract? Does that happen at ARU CEO level? Madness regardless. In a contact sport, and a player who is so reliant on athletic ability, will never be poached by a rival code it makes zero sense.

        • Perth girl

          It happens at RA board level and the decisions that Board has been making in the last few years show how of touch they are!

        • Andrew Luscombe

          He’d be “poached” by an English or French club for the money he is earning.

        • Christopher

          no doubt he could play there… but do we need to pay him $1.2m a year (x5) to keep the poachers at bay. ARU board must have thought Moneyball was a parody/spoof.

    • RF

      In my opinion you are partially right and partially wrong.

      Re: Cheika, I agree.
      I was, and am, a fan of Michael Cheika. Unfortunately this is the end of the road for him as Wallabies coach, the results and performances are not at a level that is acceptable. I personally believe that his biggest issue is the coaching setup that the Wallabies have but the buck stops with him. If we bring in a top level head coach (which Cheika is IMO) he will insist on his own coaching team.

      In terms of playing personnel, I disagree. A lot of the issues that this team faces will be resolved with an overhaul of the coaching team and I don’t expect wholesale changes on the playing front.

      If Quade Cooper signs for the Rebels then he should tour in November (if fit) and he certainly should be given the opportunity to play games and make a play for the 2019 #10 shirt. I feel that other challengers for this shirt should also be given this opportunity under a new regime.

      Hooper and Beale are very good players. Beale is in the XV on merit and there is a strong case to shoe-horn Hooper in there somewhere too.

      • Missing Link

        I can’t disagree with you, both Hooper and Beale are very good players. part of me wants to see if the Wallabies can be successful without them, part of me thinks that they have such a unique skillset that you don’t know where to put them, as you said, you have to shoe-horn Hooper in somewhere, agreed, but where? He’s not a 7, doesn’t play 6 or 8 and he’s not a 12. Can he throw a lineout? Beale must shift from 10, I think he’s best position is 15. but then do you shuffle Hodge to 12 and DHP to 13, to accommodate Folau at 14 where he actually should be playing.

        • Brian Ko

          Hooper is great when he can run and is making line breaks. He hasn’t been doing very much of either of these since his hamstring and he isn’t the best over the ball. Latu probably steals more than him.
          I think retaining the current team is part of the problem. They’ve had a fair crack at making an impact and haven’t been able to achieve anything meaningful. Same team = same problems

      • Brisneyland Local

        Beale was there on merits. Now I am not so sure. His form of late has been average at best. Half of the problem that we have is that Hooper is shoehorned into the team, and that destabilises our structure.

        • onlinesideline

          In fairness to Beale, (yeah while that pass was an absolute shocker) he was put at 10 to fix and ailing team under pressure with no chance to perfect that position during SR and when he plays at 12, the whole attack line depends on him and him alone as 10 and 13 are average at best (as much as I like Reece)

        • Brisneyland Local

          OLSL, yeah it is definitely not his fault. I hold Cheikmeister solely accountable for that one. BUt playing 10 has certainly knocked his confidence and his form. 2 matches ago he was falconned twice int eh one game. Then that pass, and the sideways crabbing. Not the normal Beale.

    • Custard Taht

      Ok, you are wrong….not sure how, but just saying. No one can accuse me of lacking blind obedience…..maybe I should apply for a position on Cheikas staff.

    • Simon

      Best thing for rugby in this country will be if the Pumas flog us by 30.

    • onlinesideline

      Ulesssssees is coming back next year from injury. He was looking like a starter.

  • Adrian

    Thanks Andrew

    Lots of issues!

    Mine is lineouts

    The guys went ok v Ireland, so they have the ability to go ok now.

    Coaching and strategy is letting them down. Individuals need lots of practice, but the coaches need to work out strategies and tactics that actually work.

    The lineout captain (Coleman) needs to understand it all

    I feel sorry for all of our throwers, as it’s a dog’s breakfast out there.

    I fully support Hooper catching near the front as a tactic to use when all else fails, but it shouldn’t have failed so often before then

    • Andrew H

      Lineout starts with the throw, should be easy-peasy to at least throw straight. Seems to be missing for the Wals of late.

  • Hitcho

    The Wallabies made the Betoota Advocate who usually writes satire. In this case though the boys are on the money

    • disqus_NMX

      Was that satire? It was spot on accurate!!!

  • GeorgiaSatellite

    Thanks Andrew. I think the first caption should read “Boks’ kicks”, not “box kicks”. There. Now it makes sense.

    • Andrew H

      I am personally not a fan of either!

      • GeorgiaSatellite

        Nor am I. Just that Pollard was on-song on Sat night. I was watching the Saffer feed and they put up a stat towards the end of “Kickable penalties not taken” (which was weird, but informative). We left about 21 points on the park in favour of kicking for a line-out that hasn’t worked for weeks. And didn’t that night either. Sigh.

  • Greg

    From the herald. Onus to be placed on lifter to get the lifted man safely back to the deck.

    https://www.smh.com.au/sport/rugby-union/wallabies-give-stamp-of-approval-to-world-rugby-s-izzy-law-20181002-p507ap.html

    • RF

      Not sure about this, common sense wouldn’t have this issue as being simply black and white.

      The lifter should bring the jumper down safely but what Folau did in the air (the article isn’t helped by the fact that the images they show aren’t from the incident with the real dangerous play where he grabs O’Mahony in the chest in the air) shouldn’t be acceptable either.

      • Greg

        My view has always been that the lifter is putting the lifted player in a dangerous position. This is illegal. Any collision – legal or not – will have the lifted player land on his head.

        Black and white guidelines, and a few red cards, and the issue will vanish.

        • RF

          In my opinion the rule was correct and a red card should have been shown to Folau after the first incident, and this ruling will make it more dangerous if it gives the likes of Folau carte blanche to continue to behave that way.

          Anyway, decision is made, hopefully the issue doesn’t appear again.

    • Missing Link

      fantastic news, common sense if you may

  • Hoss

    Good afternoon fellow sufferers.

    So Sanchez is confident we will beat The FISM’s, how the mighty have fallen

    Since when should this be a headline and statement of confidence from the Wallabies – this should be a matter of fact, not some forthright prediction ?? Damn farking straight we should beat the FISM’s – every bloody time and Scotland & Samoa for that matter. We have fallen so low that what traditionally SHOULD be a lay down mazaire is now a Headline from Camp Wallaby – WTF ??

    In other news Lee Magors has come out and stated, with alacrity, that the Wallabies will also beat the Riverina Second XV and we are a shoe-in against the Merewether Colts.

    How disrespectful to the FISM’s, how much of a red rag to their hot Latin blood – i think one or two of our forwards might get square with little Sanchez at training this week – they are going to get bashed by their opposites this weekend, so i would smash him at training and tell him to STF Up.

    Imagine Saint Keiran cioming out and saying same about playing Australia – now THERE’s a certainty if ever you wanted one.

    Sanchez – there are three certainties in life, death, taxes and nurses – wait, according to OLSL – Hungarians as well – so 4 certainties. The Wallabies playing well and winning sure as shit aint one of em.

  • Bakkies

    Looks like Papworth, Alan Jones, Bob Dwyer, Dick Marks and Dilip Kumar are going to lead a revolt to get changes made in Australian Rugby along with interaction from NSW, Sydney, NSW Country, WA, ACT and Qld. A clear message has been sent to Victorian Rugby administrators.

    https://www.foxsports.com.au/rugby/australian-rugby-heavyweights-issue-call-to-arms-in-bid-to-regain-power-for-clubs/news-story/77846bf1916de1c9ebcb1e58bf8d3f5e

    • The Jackal

      More self interest with a Shute Shield focus. its an average competition with its players currently being spanked in the NRC.First two teams picked Eastwood & Randwick no doubt. Change needed but that group of people my my eyes roll that far back in my head they might not come back.

      • Bakkies

        Don’t believe so this time. Why?

        – They have seen the books hence the exclusion of MRRU/VRU. Picked the wrong target all along and Twiggy is there to have discussions with
        – Clubs taking over third tier is not going to happen with more clubs going bust
        – By contacting every club in Australia it highlights that you wouldn’t have state unions then the RA from there. The NSWRU wouldn’t exist from the base without clubs.
        – They are fed up with the lack of accountability I had it with Geoff Parkes this week. He said it is not the time and place along with you having a platform to provide your views.

        I had a go at him saying that we need answers from you now as the game doesn’t have time to wait and you have the contacts to get them. Silence…

    • Missing Link

      Victorian Rugby Administrators will put the rest of Aus on notice when the Rebels top the conference next year!

      • Bakkies

        While driving the game broke with their incremental payments to 2020.

  • Mitch T Gray

    Top 5 contenders to replace Michael Cheika after this coming Saturday’s loss?

Rugby

Turned to writing for GAGR before my over the top rants about rugby landed me in hot water. Hoping this will keep me a little more measured.

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