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Tuesday’s Rugby News.  This week we’ve got Eddie Jones talking tough, the sevens are named, the Reds’ latest signing and Germany firing up for the repechage.


Jones is keen for the ABs match.  Although we can't figure out why.

Jones is keen for the ABs match. Although we can’t figure out why.

Eddie Jones Talking it Up

Boasting a record of 5 wins from 12 test matches against the All Blacks, Eddie Jones is one coach on the world stage who might just have the formula to knock off the world’s best.
If you take away his one match against the Darkness whilst in charge of Japan, that record improves a tad more, albeit to 5/11.

He’s now at the helm of the Poms, and for the first time in four years the two teams meet when they shoot out in the ultimate white vs black match this weekend at Twickenham.

Now you’d think someone in charge of a team that’s finished 5th in the 6 Nations and is coming off the slimmest of wins last week would be curbing the yap, instead Jones has come out publicly declaring he “cannot wait” for the game.

Speaking in the lead up to the fixture, coach Jones is looking forward to testing his side against the best, “I said to the boys after South Africa that I can’t wait. I cannot wait, they are the benchmark for world rugby, the team you want to play against.

“Where are you in the world?

“You only know when you play against the All Blacks” he said, seemingly unaware his team have lost several tests to much lower ranked teams this year….

The Poms come into the game have defeated South Africa thanks to a fortuitous rub of the green (thank the gardener…eh) meanwhile the AB juggernaut rolls on having thumped the Brave Blossoms in Tokyo.

The game will be shown on Fox this Sunday at ridiculous o’clock AEST.

This is literally the only photo of rugby league we have in our media files.

This is literally the only photo of rugby league we have in our media files.

Queensland Reds League-ification Continues

If, like me, you grew up during the glory days of the Brisbane Broncos’ early 1990s sides you’ve probably got a healthy respect for what league players can do with an odd-shaped ball and rectangular field.

There’s no denying there have been some prodigious talents on both sides of the code divide that either could have been, or in fact were, a star in the other code.

In recent times, the Queensland Reds have lurched ever more toward the 13-a-side game with current head coach, Brad Thorn, defensive coach, Peter Ryan and star back, Duncan Paia’aua all having put in seasons with the crew at Red Hill before heading to XXXX Hill.

The Reds’ latest signing continues this trend with Matt McGahan signing  up for a one year stint.  McGahan joins the Reds after two seasons in Japan with Top League side Yamaha Jubilo.  The league connection traces back to when he was part of the Melbourne Storm’s under-20 set up.

McGahan adds depth at fly-half for the Reds after their state-wide search this year couldn’t unearth a single other flyhalf anywhere…..

In addition to McGahan’s 15-a-side experience in Japan he had previously played 12 games of Super Rugby for the Auckland Blues in 2015 and 2016.

Fun fact for you, four players have won both a Super Rugby title and an NRL/NSWRL title.  Two of them played for the Broncos, one (like McGahan) for the Storm and the other was a Rooster…..just like McGahan’s father was.  A good omen?  Probably not.  But we can live in hope right? RIGHT?

Nick Malouf is returning to the 7's squad to chase Olympic glory.

Nick Malouf is returning to the 7’s squad to chase Olympic glory.

Sevens Squad SNamed

It’s a little over three weeks until the next season of the HSBC World Sevens kicks off in Dubai and the Aussies are looking towards the Oceania Sevens tournament this weekend in Fiji to put the finishing touches on their preparation.

This season has a little something-something extra added to it with Tokyo 2020 qualification there for the taking.  And as such, coach Tim Walsh has named a near full-strength squad for the tournament.

“We’re using it as a pre-curser (to the World Series) so we’re sending our best team,” Walsh said.

“If we were going to select Dubai tomorrow it would pretty much be this team”.

It was that possibility of playing in the Olympics for a second time that brought Rio veteran Nick Malouf back from European rugby to again pull on the green and gold.

“I think ultimately it was the Olympics”, he said.

“There’s not really any price of money that you can put on going to the Olympics, having been to one before, I know how special it was”.

Malouf slots back into the team as one of the vice captains.

The full team,

Lewis Holland (c)
Jesse Parahi (vc)
Nick Malouf (vc)
Ben O’Donnell
John Porch
Michael Wells
Liam McNamara
Matthew Hood
Boyd Killingworth (what a fantastic name)
Brandon Quinn
Henry Hutchison
Lachie Anderson
Tim Anstee

The action start on Friday with our men taking on Vanuatu and the women taking on Nauru.

Can Germany Bradbury it all the way to the top?

Can Germany Bradbury it all the way to the top?

Germany Look to RWC

One of the great things about sport is the stories it generates.

Not just for us here at GAGR in our capacity as a news website, but in a more general sense.

In this day and age of hyper-professionalism, multi-million dollar broadcast contracts and full-time playing squads the chances of a rag-tag team from a soccer-mad country making their way through to the Rugby World Cup seem almost fanciful, almost.

Thanks to a sometimes complex and quirky qualification process, a player strike and some ineligible players Germany are on the verge of pulling off a modern-day Might Ducks.

It’s all coming down to the repechage over the next three weekends where they will vie with Kenya, Hong Kong and Canada to determine the 20th and final team to qualify for next year’s world cup.

The team’s brought in some big guns to give themselves every chance, with former British and Irish Lions defence coach Mike Ford as head coach, ex-England lock Mouritz Botha, as forwards and defence coach and Paul Healy (technical advisor to Uruguay at the 2003 World Cup) coaches the attack.  The highly experienced coaching squad joins the mixture of part-timers and guys who presumably got lost en route to soccer training.

Ford spoke about what it means to the players and how they’re approaching it, “The commitment the players show is humbling, they aren’t paid much, but they do it because they love the game (someone hand Simon Poidevin a tissue) and want this opportunity.
“Hopefully we can surprise the other teams in Marseille with our heart, commitment and our game plan.
“It’s an exciting and unique challenge – we’ll be the best prepared team there and the hungriest.”

Brisbane ex-pat Sean Armstrong captains the side and added his two cents, summing up their situation nicely-

“It’s a fantastic chance, but a bit of a weird one, given the disqualification of teams, but now we have the opportunity, we want to take it with both hands”.

 

 

  • Brisneyland Local

    Morning GAGR’s, well first on deck this morning so that can only be a good thing. A quiet news day so here are the ramblings of a mad man:
    – Who cares about what Eddie Jones thinks. there is only one person I listen less than EJ, and that is Michael Cheika. Oh and Alan Jones. Must be something about the Jones boys!
    – Although I am still concerned about Brad Thorns people management skills and bible thumping, he seems to be building a good squad. Good luck to them. I will still be supporting the Rebels this year.
    – I would love to see Germany in the World Cup! Das Uber Team!
    Over to you GAGR’s!

    • Custard Taht

      I have officially boarded the Rebels Bandwagon….toot toot.
      You can tell Jones and Cheika are cut from the same cloth. Both open their mouths and talk shit before the game, only to find they write cheques they can’t cash. At least the Pommy players know to keep their shit talking to a minimum, unlike our Cheika drones.

      • Brisneyland Local

        Me too! No stopping to SR Title winners station!
        Yep Cheika and Jones, bluff, bluster and arrogance. A winning trifecta!

    • Keith Butler

      Supporting the Rebs BL whatever next. We could be like a curate’s egg next year, good in parts.

      • Brisneyland Local

        Wow Keith, I must admit being an old bastard myself, that I haven’t heard that term in decades! My old Grandfather used to use that term all the time. Thanks for the flashback.
        I am happy to give the Reb’s a season. I think that with the team sheet they have they should be quite competitive. I am a little concerned about their forward pack, but with some good coaching I think they will be very competitive.

        • Keith Butler

          I suppose being a Pom, I dredge these old sayings up from time to time. Now retired to the Apple Isle but supporting the Rebs from a distance. I’m also concerned about our pack. You can have the best backs in the world but they won’t do much without the pill and on the back foot.

        • Brisneyland Local

          KB, I was just down in Hobart the other week. I love Tasweigan land. Yep we will have to see how that pack goes.

        • Custard Taht

          Is Stiles the Rebs Forwards coach? If so, I think he can get the pack to at least gain parity, which should be enough for that back line

        • Brisneyland Local

          As in Nick stiles former Reds coach?

        • Custard Taht

          Yeah, wasn’t he working with them this past season?

        • Brisneyland Local

          Not sure I lost track of him since he left the Reds.

        • John Tynan

          HEINOUS!

        • Brisneyland Local

          There is a word I havnt heard in a while either! Thanks JT I am bringing it back!

        • John Tynan

          Not since a kangaroo court, probably. EVERY charge brought against someone is a court session is heinous.

        • Brisneyland Local

          Yes our brothers and sister of the jurisprudence profession do like that word.

      • Happyman

        Mate hard not to my mail is the Reds new back up halfback (Tuttle cover) did not play at all last year. I also hear that the new Flyhallf cover is a worry when the UQ guy at club level killed it last year.

      • Custard Taht

        They may be based in Melbourne but they are the QLD A team.

    • Kiwi rugby lover

      With you on the Rebels as my Aus team to support. If they play the Tahs up here we should make sure we attend.

      • Brisneyland Local

        Yep I am in on that one! Looks like I will be attending a few games down here.

    • Happyman

      Mate I would not discount the Germans. They are a team on the rise and beat Romania last year. They had some internal political troubles this year between old guard and new guard. They are supported by a German billionaire who had a fight with the old crowd and pulled all of the players he was paying. I understand they have all gotten under the same tent smoked the peace pipe and drank some Koolaid. Besides I think the old guard realised he was not mucking around when he decided to go off and buy State Francais to get his rugby fix.

      The facility they have is awesome covered ground, Scrum pit whole enchilada.

      Website follows http://www.rugby-verband.de

      To quote others the Sheep Shaggers will do unspeakable things to the Soap Dodgers for KRL sake I will fall into line with KRL and our southern brethren and support a AB victory.

      • Brisneyland Local

        I will gladly support the AB’s over the Soapdodgers. Engalnd must lose at everything.
        I hope the Germans do well. I really thought this game would appeal to their engineering, by process, brutal way of doing things.

      • Kiwi rugby lover

        Cheers mate

      • Andrew H

        It’s pity that Wild’s purchase of Stade Francais precluded Heidelberger RK from being promoted to the Challenge Cup.

        • Happyman

          True I have heard rumours he want to move them to Germany anyway and play in the top 14

    • Geoffro

      Being a born/bred Sydneysider having spent half my life living on the QLD border I still choke on bitterness that the upstart Brumbies have a better Super record than either beloved Tahs or adopted Reds.Now we have a groundswell of support for the manufactured Rebels,aargh whats the world coming to,

      • Brisneyland Local

        Well hopefully they can show us some of that discipline.
        Amazing that the Rebs are building a groundswell. But The Reds are not endearing me much. I have gone from being a corporate sponsor, to not really following them much. They have lost a hell of a lot of their fan base. Completely alienated them. Thorn better produce results or his term at the Reds will not end well.

        • Geoffro

          Don’t think they’ve copped as much of a bollocking as the NSWRU has lately but my Waratah coloured glasses still sit firmly perched.

        • Hoss

          I am a Tah’s fan mate and even i am excited by the Red’s. Admittedly i have put a pineapple on the Rebs as a smokey (at $67 i thought that’s was a great value bet) But i am excited for all Aussie sides in 2019 SR and the newly unveiled GRR (Twiggy Ball)

        • Geoffro

          Speaking of which (backing outsiders) I’ve heard enough german love today that it must be a moral for me to go have a bet on the German horse-Sound Check-in the race.I’m off (No wonder me and my hard earnt are so easily separated)

        • Hoss

          I had completely forgotten about the Cup today until I walked in and saw the staff all dolled up in their Spring finest. I couldn’t even tell you the name of a horse today.

        • Brisneyland Local

          Me too to be honest. I am just avoiding the Reds out of spite.
          NRC next year will be great too!

    • Andrew H

      I wholly support this Alan Jones ignoring policy.

  • Alister Smith

    If I read the article correctly and Germany have to finish ahead of Canada and Kenya in a three way competition for the last spot then I think they face a pretty daunting task. Canada and Kenya have both been to RWC’s before and have faced tougher opposition in their qualifiers and the Kenyan’s at least have a very good 7’s team to draw on. Good luck to the German’s anyway, would be good to see some new blood in the RWC.

    • Andrew H

      It’s Hong Kong, Canada, Kenya and Germany playing a round robin tournament for the last place in the world cup.
      Germany are the lowest ranked team of the four but you never know!

  • Kiwi rugby lover

    Thanks Andrew, I bet Jones is looking forward to this game slightly less than I am. The English showed a lot of heart in their defence and that will be hard to break through but I’m not sure the Boks could have doe more to give them the game.

    • Keith Butler

      I think we are about to enter a world of pain and be on the receiving end of a 25+ point thumping. Won’t stop me from getting up at 2.00 in the morning to watch though. Wales v the G&Gs will be a lot closer though.

      • Hoss

        Me thinks a great Darkness shall befall Twickers on Sunday morning (proper world time).

        Don’t despair my Hybrid Engalian, the dawn will again be golden when the Antipodean XV hammer the Northern Kiwis 2 hours later.

        • Brisneyland Local

          You are drinking the Adrian Kool Aid again!

        • Hoss

          Well i cant drink Vodka straight whilst at work.

        • Nutta

          Well you can. There’s nowt to actually stop you. But it can lead to trouble. Been there and have the tee-shirt.

        • Brisneyland Local

          Yeah you can, you put it in your water bottle and no one can tell the difference ;-)

        • Keith Butler

          Embracing my inner Morrison us SDs are about to enter The Rupture. Nothing that a fine Tassie Red and a few tinnies of MooBrew won’t cure.

        • Nutta

          Morrison? I was wondering if there might be a Morrissey Irish Blood, English Heart thing going on there.

    • Andrew H

      I personally think NZ will thump them. England were very lucky last week (although their defence and kicking was excellent). Tipping NZ by 15+.

      • Kiwi rugby lover

        Yeah they were but they manufactured their luck through their defence. Mate they are No 4 in the world and I firmly believe that on their day any of the top 5 or 6 can beat any other of the top 5 or 6. They’ll need a few things to go their way but it won’t actually take much and I think NZ will be more interested in the process of what they are doing leading into WRC next year. Hansen and Co have stated that this year is about the development for next year and while they absolutely want to win every game, losing the odd one this year and having a threepeat in Japan would be a plus for them.

        A conspiracist would suggest we want England to win so that beating them next year will be even better. A bit like the Argies in Salta, “let them win to ensure the coach is kept on because we know how to beat him”

        • joy

          Your conspiracy theory certainly applies for the Bledisloe.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          A consistent theory for 16 years has degraded to facts

  • Nutta

    Morning

    I’ve always had a bit of rugby under-dog rebel in me I think

    I was there at Romano’s hotel in Wagga when NSW via NSW Country cut adrift the old Riverina and South West zones back in the late 90’s because it was – and I quote – ‘too hard and not viable to compete against league and Aussie Rules in southern NSW’. At that point, I along with over 2,000 other senior players became Southern Inland Rugby, joined with ACT Rugby and by default became Donkey’s fans especially given they were likewise a mob of cast-offs.

    BTW – Well done Tarts on the ability to alienate half a state in one go. Shrinking to victory yet again. I see a pattern here.

    And I confess a soft spot for the Rebel Scum and hope they have a cracking 2019 season with all that discontented talent available.

    And I love the fact the Fijians won the AUSTRALIAN NRC.

    And so in the same manner I think I’ll back the Krauts. Despite the best efforts of many to sanitise, oversize, upsize, deskill and commodify the game I love, I’ll back to the absolute hilt the ugly under-dog still. So in that spirit – and conscious of my Lonely Planet German from 1995 – ‘Krauts! Zerschlage sie!’ (Punters feel free to correct me if I just called someone a hamburger or donut)

    Jonesy – go you gobby good thing. I remind you all again of the make-up of the standard Hooker ( http://www.greenandgoldrugby.com/nuttas-navel-gazing-hookers/ ) and ask seriously, what else is the guy going to say? Go Hard at ‘em Jonsey. You’re a bit of a weird knob, but so are all Hookers and I luv your guts.

    • Brisneyland Local

      Pure Gold Nutta.

      • Nutta

        Awww shucks…

        • Brisneyland Local

          You are on fire today!

    • Hoss

      Good morning Nutta & esteemed Ladies & Gents,

      Hmmmm, i dunno Nutta,

      My grandfather passed on the wisdom of age when i was a pup (and too dumb to listen) certain lessons and i ‘hold these truths to be self-evident’

      1. NEVER cheer for a Pom. Any nation stupid enough to convict felons to a tropical paradise with 6 million km’s of beaches whilst choosing to stay on a sodden, frost-bitten, GOT environment is truly deserving of scorn
      2. NEVER trust a German – look i love their willingness to set some mighty global domination goals and have a crack, but FFS, they always fall short. They get an ‘A’ for enterprise, but an ‘F minus’ for execution. Exhibit ‘A’ – VW, conquer the world, be number 1 – great, secretly gas the masses and hope to get away with it……….sound vaguely familiar ?
      3. Do your talking on the field. Dr Evil – love his ambition (is he part German ?) but Dr Evil – keep your powder dry and give it a crack. I reckon Shag will be a Monk this week and say SFA and just grind the Mother Country into the dust. What odds the Nearlies doing the team Hakarena feeling they have been slighted…………..Hartley to Jones at full time – ‘Scuse me guvna, would you mind cutting out your testicles and giving them to me, the Nearlies ripped mine off in a maul’. Keep quite Eddie and show us your ‘minerals’ on the pitch
      4. Never trust the Welsh, sneaky fuckers. Anybody that has 38 letters in the name of a town is just taking the piss.
      5. Never knock back a root, its one you will never make up .

      I am sure there were other pearls, but that’s for my book launch for the Christmas Market – ‘Hosstility – the life and times’ $39.95 – stay tuned.

      • Kiwi rugby lover

        Gold mate and lessons for life

      • Keith Butler

        Couldn’t help but raise a laugh from this SD. Love the Hartley quote.

      • Keith Butler

        Re No 5. My wife wants to know, does that mean that the Wobblies should be grateful every time they’re rooted by the Nearlies?

        • Hoss

          Ahh yes, the Nearlies v Gold you kind of know its coming, but you still flinch, kind of like the ol Rodeo tryst for sure.

          Half way through the enterprise you tell your loved one ‘that’s how your sister likes it’ and try and hang on for 10 seconds.

        • Keith Butler

          Passed on your comment to my beloved. Thought it would be a case of lighting the blue touch paper and standing back. No fear though as my missus has a similar sense of humour to you – slightly warped.

      • Alister Smith

        available at Amazon and all good book stores?

      • Nutta

        I reckon I can see a mutual & motely collection of anecdotes, half-truths, outright lies and philosophical reflections published under suitable nom de plume at some stage – likely after another confidence crash in global markets turn superannuation accounts to dust leaving us resigned to ‘singing for my supper’ otherwise.

        • Hoss

          I couldnt afford the lawsuits mate – it would be 195 pages of thinly disguised plagiarism. Equal doses Ben Elton (love his tomes) and 80-90’s satire.

          If only i had used my powers for good instead of evil.

        • Alister Smith

          If Shane Warne to write a book and get away with it I think you’ll be OK Hoss

        • Nutta

          You can afford them. We’re broke.

      • donktec

        Fell off my chair reading #2! For mine the lesson was’don’t trust the Italians ‘ signed on early both times and switched teams just before the siren.
        Look forward to the book!

      • Nutta

        BTW you do know Hartley is a Kiwi right?

        • Hoss

          Yeah, but I let that slide based on, huhumm, a few PIs and NZ born wallabies….

      • Huw Tindall

        Great advice – although re #5 I was informed that I should never knock back a root as you never know when the next one will come along! Essentially don’t look a gift horse in the mouth – which incidentally has a very interesting etymology.

    • Kiwi rugby lover

      Hahahaha love it mate. May I suggest that backing the under dog may just mean backing England on Saturday

      • Nutta

        You may suggest it. You may also chew a razor blade. Both make about as much sense as the other.

        Seriously I don’t think there is an under-dog on Saturday inasmuch as regarding their only similarity of recent times, both have won/lost against the Jarpies recently for similar reasons.

        That, and if I was to ever back England in anything I would be compelled to get a popcorn machine, a Go-Pro and sell tickets to what would a Poltergeist remake on my silly Feinian arse by family both live and not-so-much.

        Nah, in the absence of other good reasons, I’ll generally back the other half of ANZAC in most things when we’re not involved.

        • Brisneyland Local

          Me too! I support us, and who ever are playing the Soapdodgers!

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Glad to have you on board. I’m obviously backing the ABs big time but I think it might be closer than some are suggesting

  • donktec

    Go Germany! would give me another team to cheer, (lang lebe das Vaterland) And probably cause a lot of bemusement amongst the folks i know over there.

    • Andrew H

      Shall we all designate the winner of the repechage as our second team for the RWC?

      • Nutta

        Here Here.

      • Brisneyland Local

        Third. I am going for Wallabies first. Begrudgingly.
        Fiji Second.
        Germany (Or who ever wins that repechage round) third!

      • donktec

        Ja! I like it.

  • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

    Brad Thorn is, really, the perfect protoge for Cheika in many ways thus far.

    – utterly inflexible in his approach and team culture
    – intend on doing things his way or the highway regardless of whether it leads to improved results
    – seems to think aggro and doing things ‘for the boys’ solves all issues
    – likes to complain about refereeing
    – seems to want to play rugby league with 15 men
    – loves backlines that cannot defend despite this
    – very poor at selecting teams and attracting strong players to his squad
    – allows personal feelings towards players affect decisions too much.

    I’m not saying he can’t improve, but it’s not looking great so far.

    • Alister Smith

      I think you’re selling him a little short but time will tell who is right or wrong. Certainly the results from this year aren’t laurels enough to rest on but I think he has improved the support around him, which to me suggests he isn’t afraid to receive criticism and he has, to date, managed to retain most of the young blokes he is looking to build the team around. The losses, an ageing Karmichael Hunt who doesn’t have a lot of rugby experience anyway, James Slipper, who he managed to play most of the season without anyway and has young players to fill his spot and Quade Cooper, who people have strong opinions on but my approach on him is if you want to change the whole game plan and approach then Quade is probably the biggest link to the old way and, therefore, less likely to live with that. On that, there is an excellent article by Phil Lutton on the Brisbanetimes.com.au website, largely in Quade’s on words on the issues at the Reds, his reaction to it and looking ahead to the Rebels. I actually support both Thorn and Cooper on this. I think I understand what Thorn is trying to achieve and I can understand from that, why he didn’t want Cooper as part of the team, but I also think that Cooper’s approach, playing out the season, continuing to train and help younger players and then taking an opportunity elsewhere when it was clear the Reds were moving in another direction is also very admirable. He seems a mature young man who knows his own mind.

      I also think Thorn’s game plan will expand with his own development as a coach and with the development and improvement of the younger players at the core of the team. He followed the K.I.S.S this year, there were certainly things he wanted to achieve in that first year and I think, on the whole, he had some success there. It wasn’t enough to win but it could build a base for a more winning approach and culture as time goes on.

      • Hoss

        Great read Mr Smith – well played.

        Reasoned, articulate, thought provoking and objective.

        You clearly have no future on this site.

        • Alister Smith

          Either that Hoss or I am just a fence sitter afraid of offending anyone and triggering a social media back lash that will leave me rocking back and forth in the corner of my office in the feotal position.

        • Nutta

          That happens regardless of what gets posted here.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          No I don’t believe that mate. Too articulate and thoughtful for a fence sitter

        • Huw Tindall

          Hey I write my best posts from the foetal position!

      • Kiwi rugby lover

        Nicely written mate. I tend to agree but I do have some concerns about the bible bashing side of it as this has as much potential to piss people off as to bring them in.

        • Alister Smith

          I have only seen mention of his Christian beliefs being an issue and it was on this site KRL and not mentioned anywhere else – nor have I seen it come up in his interviews. He is no doubt devote and has expressed that as part of his personal belief system but what evidence do we have that others are excluded.

          I think there are plenty of coaches in the US basketball and NFL that would have similar beliefs and I find it strange that someone should be criticised for have Christian values or maintaining a strong anti-drug culture. Andrew Slack is a practising Catholic (or I used to see him at mass anyway) is his poor coaching record down to his beliefs too or was he just not a good coach.

          As a Christian I never had issues with being coached by people who were openly athiest or agnostic. If a group of players who share similar beliefs get together before or after training is that an issue – is it any different to part of the group going to the pub together or going out for coffee? Is there any evidence that a player didn’t get picked or is excluded because their beliefs are different or are we basing this entirely on the evidence of BL’s cousin? It may well be true or may be also be one individuals interpretation or experience.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          I personally don’t care about his, or anyone else’s beliefs. Who or what you wish to believe in is entirely up to you unless you try and push it on me. If it helps you and makes you a better person then good on you.
          The stories about prayers before training are too numerous to ignore. I’ve had discussions with people present at these so I have no doubt they are true. I think he needs to be careful as that can turn off as many as it brings in unless managed carefully.

        • Alister Smith

          Yes I can seen your point there. I think the Gold. Last Suns had issues with a group around Gary Abblett for instance – is it a group of Polynesian players for instance who are quite open about there beliefs – we see them sometimes group together after games with opposition that share the same faith – and BT is just joining in or facilitating that group – or is it a divisive thing where players who aren’t in the group are ostracised. I suspect it’s more the former then the latter but if it isn’t it will have an impact, Christianity is good when it is a uniting force – less so when people use it to divide

        • Nutta

          Yeh but don’t underestimate the difference between archetypical Protestant Jarpys and Yanks versus typically non-demonstrative Australia. Each to their own, but it’s dicey stuff.

          I reckon the real story in Qld with Thorn is the clean out of the Colombian Marching Powder predilection. My understanding is that he just won’t have it. The rock-chucking about everything else is simply smoke-screening motivated by that I reckon.

      • joy

        Well Thorne will certainly get his chance to measure “KISS” against “Ye olde way” when the Reds front the Rebels next year.

        • Alister Smith

          in a way joy Keep It Simple Stupid IS the “old way” in Queensland. Thorn is closer to John Connolly than he is to McKenzie’s new way.

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          I think that’s unfairly downplaying Knuckles’ coaching. Much better coach than he was given credit for at the time.

        • Happyman

          75% win rate and was sacked

      • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

        If you listen to the papers and whispers on this site and the other, a huge number of the current squad can’t stand him or his approach.

        He’s achieved nothing of significance to date (Stiles has a better NRC record) except for banishing a huge number of players – Cooper, Slipper, Tuttle, Ready, Paiaua (for 2/3 of the season) and taking the Reds to the bottom Australian side.

        His alleged group prayer sessions prior to his trainings sound about right for someone hoping for divine intervention to succeed.

      • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

        I willing to bet we see the Reds achieve nothing of note under Thorn. He actually had a pretty good young squad under Stiles which accounted for the good forwards performance (although he seems a competent coach in that area).

        Nothing he has ever said in interviews fills me with any confidence that he is capable of the complexities of coaching at this area. Most of it was moaning about the game going soft and ‘we just need to take our chances’ like we hear from Cheika. If he didn’t have such an illustrious playing career he would be receiving no compliments whatsoever.

    • Andrew H

      Damn son. Get stuck in!! (although nothing you’ve said is untrue)

  • Bakkies

    Georgina Robinson has dished out a sledge hammer in the Hurled. Hawker commissioned a Longstaff review in 2015 which was never made public. Worst of all we got de Clyne in as Chairman.

    https://www.smh.com.au/sport/rugby-union/rugby-kept-its-own-cricket-style-cultural-review-secret-in-2015-20181105-p50e4u.html

    • Brisneyland Local

      I bet they deep sixed that one as soona s they read it. It would have been ugly reading. The fact that a lot of the stakeholder interviews with Longstaff were canned before they occured clearly demonstrates that the ARU were not liking what they were hearing.

      This place needs an enema!

      • Bakkies

        Also makes you wonder how an organisation can fine an employee 45k and still keep him on the payroll.

        • Brisneyland Local

          There is a hell of a lot to that story that will never make public knowledge. But yes you are right.

        • Bakkies

          Yeah particularly after Patston won her court case.

          O’Neill walked away with a 2.7 million payout. We still don’t know the true cost of Pulver’s mismanagement.

        • Brisneyland Local

          The Di Patston issue never went to court. the ARU paid her out before hand. And the payout was huge.
          ARU knew if it went to court, a number of Wallabies carreers were over. so they did everything possible to ensure it didnt.

        • Ed

          Is the cost of her payout referenced in an annual report, or would it be under miscellanous expenses?

        • Brisneyland Local

          No. I have read those reports in detail and it is not mentioned, even under miscellaneous.

        • Happyman

          I wonder if it was an insured risk BL given the actions were by employees.

        • Brisneyland Local

          Possibly, but no insurance company would have paid out on that one. And as far as I am aware ARU paid out, not an insurance firm.

        • Happyman

          It was the actions of employees not directors so it is an insurable risk. just spitballing as I have not read the reports. Perhaps you could squeeze it into staff wages as they have a big payroll that did get vut that year.

          PS I think the payout would be $250,000 as it has essentially left her unemployable.

        • Brisneyland Local

          If it involves an prosecutable offence, the insurance company can wave off. The pay out was significantly more than that.

        • Nutta

          Either that or picked up by a 3rd party. There is no reason why a trust can’t take on someone else’ debt (thereby shifting it off the ‘Donors’ books) and push that through to ‘beneficiaries’.

        • Ed

          Thanks BL.

        • Greg

          In whose favour?

        • Nutta

          101% gold rolled players Dude. Remember this is the land of the Player Power revolting. I mean for Chrissakes we let Nucifora get shafted at the Donkeys in 04 when he took them to a Super Championship! Not even the bloody Jarpys are that crazy. And on it rolled from there; The Rock, 2-Dads, Gits, Beal, Toxic et al… and the beat goes on.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Absolutely mate. Player power, and underperforming players at that, just beggars belief.

        • Brisneyland Local

          Not Beale’s!

      • Alister Smith

        It looks as if they abandoned it before it was completely finished it but used some of it to make changes to the administrative structure. However, those changes don’t really appear to have given us much benefit.

        • Brisneyland Local

          They made changes to justify the report to those that had been involved. But otherwise they got rid of it as quick as possible.

        • Bakkies

          I suppose we don’t know how much this cost the Clown College.

        • Brisneyland Local

          Wouldnt have been less than $150k

        • Nutta

          Wow. I’m in the wrong game. I’ll write crap for $150k. I do it here for free!

        • Brisneyland Local

          I told you that at dinner! Mate I get paid to write all kinds of dribble. Here I just do it for fun,

        • Greg

          Careful in case one of us is a customer :-)

        • Nutta

          I stand on the hitherto evidence of my creativity and read-abilty

          I stand not-so-much on my credibility.

        • Brisneyland Local

          Highly likely!

        • Alister Smith

          Actually I misread the article. They did lodge a completed document with the ARU but “Other stakeholders told Fairfax Media they were lined up to interview with Longstaff but had their appointments cancelled. The feedback from the ARU legal department at the time was that the review had been shelved.”

          At the time, there was a lot of questioning as to why Patson got the role and whether her qualifications for the role were appropriate. I don’t buy into what I think were spurious accusations about a relationship between her and McKenzie but i think that some of the criticisms about her suitability for the position. Also the ARU (Pulver and Hawker) and the board wanted to get rid of Beale. However, they appointed an independent panel of judges, who, after reviewing the incident, didn’t recommend that his contract be discontinued. “The ARU and RUPA approached Judge Mark Williams SC to preside over the matter together with other Tribunal members, Mr Dominic Villa (ARU representative) and Mr David Giffin (RUPA representative). David Giffin was later replaced by Mr John Boultbee due to Mr Giffin being unavailable.”

          “The Tribunal has discretion as to the sanction to be imposed for the breach. Taking into account the conduct, the unpleasant consequences that this episode has caused for the ARU Employee and Mr Beale, Mr Beale’s contrition, and the fact that he has effectively been suspended from recent matches already, we consider that a substantial fine is the appropriate sanction. The fine imposed will be $45,000″

          I don’t agree with the independent panel’s assessment but the ARU, having instituted it, weren’t in a position to be able to go against its recommendations. It was an ugly incident, it was poorly handled by the ARU and it caused us to lose a very good coach and to have a woman’s reputation besmirched but, as the late Rebecca Wilson wrote, part of the background that caused all this was the change in structure that occurred the end of Robbie Deans tenure. The removal of David Nucifora’s position and the carte blanche given to the coaches, particularly around staff appointment and selections, are the same sorts of issues many of us are whinging about with Cheika.

        • Brisneyland Local

          To a degree. The Tribunal into Beale was separate from the DP issue. DP filed a case with the Fair Work Commission. The ARU settled so the case did not proceed, and there for the evidence never saw light of day. The Beale case occurred because the ARU knew it had to do something, but couldn’t decide what. Pulver wanted to fire him, but was forced to back down. And according to reports, Pulver almost resigned over it.
          MacKenzie bought Patston, who was his team manager at the Reds with him.
          The ARU had to deep six before it saw the light of day. Not only would the ARU been found culpable, but a number of Wallabies, who by the way are still in the squad, would have had their contracts torn up, and their careers left in tatters.
          The fact Beale was ever allowed back is a whole story in its own right.

        • Nutta

          It will come out. A secret known by more then 1 person is no longer a secret.

        • Brisneyland Local

          To date it has been pretty close held. ;-)

      • Perth girl

        There won’t be an enema unless the Qld and NSW unions decide to do something about it. Anyone affiliated with rugby in those States should be asking questions of the State Unions, the apathy is deafening!!

        • Brisneyland Local

          Yep!

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Absolutely but it’s all about them hanging onto power not what’s good for Australian rugby mate. Nothing will change until the power brokers in both states leave

        • Nutta

          And now we’re back at Centralisation again…

    • Perth girl

      Rob Clarke… I wonder what he ended up doing??

      • Bakkies

        I wonder if he got his 13 questions on notice in on time.

    • Bernie Chan

      Just read the article…CA is in a funk, but at least they released the review and Peever finally realized his position was untenable. Meanwhile the lunatics running RA keep acting like politicians, totally devoid of reality….

  • Red Block

    So the Reds searched all over the state and couldn’t find another 10 of SR quality anywhere.
    Hmmm…did anyone think of this before they let Quade go or do they have so little faith in him that they’d rather pay him to play for someone else.
    A strange way to do business.

    • Bernie Chan

      “Strange” doesn’t even begin to describe the madness at our Reds….but apparently because McGahan played U20s league at the Storm AND is related to some former Kiwi league player (granted Hugh was a fine Roosters player…) he is a better option than a guy who played over 100 Super rugby games and a few Tests. Played “elite level” rugby in NZ…nonsense coming from BT again…”elite level” rugby in NZ is at a minimum Super Rugby and then Test rugby….the pro league in Japan is OK but hardly compares to Super Rugby. Non the less, I hope Matt goes well with his chance at the Reds.

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