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Tuesday’s Rugby News checks in on the Rebels’ first day back, an update on Gareth Thomas’ assault, more coaches talking guff and part 3 of our look at the teams in the repechage. 


Human Headline at it Again

WE WERE RED

Another one bites the dust

No, not the thrice convicted criminal senator; instead this time it’s the Auckland-born, professional-boxing, Super Rugby winning Quade Cooper that’s been stealing the show.

First up, he’s taken to Instagram to post a cheesy ‘first day of school’ photo as he starts training with his new Super Rugby club, The Rebels.
Now, an Instagram post in and of itself is rarely news-worthy, but given the year-long narrative out of Ballymore about Reds Coach Brad Thorn building culture the picture is seemingly yet another reminder that Cooper lives and breathes the game and whatever club he’s playing for.  But it’s not my place to say anything…..

Following on from that, he’s been talking about his time off from the highest level of the sport.  The break giving him time to recoup, both bodily, and –

“Mentally it has probably been the best thing for me, being out of the system,

“Sometimes being out of (in?) the system can overcrowd your thinking”.

But wait, there’s more.

This time it’s Rebels coach, Dave Wessels, weighing in on his start recruit,

“The biggest thing we got out of last year is a really clear understanding of what we look like at our best and how we play when we are at our best as a team,” he said.

“As a result of that we have been able to be really pointed with a number of things, our athletic development as well as our recruitment, and for us, Quade is the type of player who suits that play”.

Suffice to say, there’ll be plenty more about Quade in time to come.

Gareth Thomas’ Attacker Faces Justice*

Less assaults, more hugs.

Less assaults, more hugs.

Gareth Thomas was the victim of an assault over the weekend.

The Police treated the assault as a hate-crime, linking it to Thomas’ homosexuality.

The first Welshman to play 100 tests came out as gay in 2009 and has been vocal on the topic of homophobia in sport since then.

The news was initially broken on Thomas’ twitter and since that time the local plod have tracked down their suspect who has subsequently admitted to the attack.

Now, in case rugby didn’t already pride itself on classy conduct, Thomas decided to pursue “restorative justice” against his assailant.

The Bill (does this apply in Wales too?) released a statement on the matter,

“We can confirm a local 16-year-old boy was dealt with by way of restorative justice following the incident at around 9pm.

“Restorative justice was at the request of Mr Thomas and accepted by the teenager who admitted assault and was apologetic for his actions.”

The rugby community, home of the Bingham Cup and Nigel Owens, have rallied around Thomas.  (check out the replies to his post)

Chewsday Chat

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What’s this guy up to….

It wouldn’t be a Tuesday leading up to another weekend of tests without me being able to report on some ridiculous, nay, preposterous comments from players and coaches.

Why is that?  I don’t know, but let’s enjoy the latest.

This time, it’s former Australian coach Eddie Jones being suspiciously nice.  (remember his threatening tone last week?)

“Cheiks, he’s my old mate, he’s always at his best when they are under pressure,” he said rather un-threatenly.

“He loves that, he’s a street-fighter, so it does make them dangerous but at the same time we’ve had a tough year too and we don’t mind a scrap either, so it should be a good scrap.”

It hardly needs to be said, but both coaches are under the pump on the back of horrid years although they both did manage to steer their teams to vastly different wins last weekend over much lower ranked opponents.

Australia quashed Italy whereas England had to recover from a half-time deficit to overcome Japan.  (can you mention Japan playing an Eddie Jones coached side without alluding to their famous win over the Springboks when Jones was in charge?  I’m not going to chance it, that’s for sure)

Jones touched on their lead-ups as he continued, “All I know is they had a good win (last weekend) and they’ll be ready for the battle.

“I think they understand where we’re strong and we understand where they’re strong.”

All the action will be beamed into lounge-rooms around Australia in the wee hours of Sunday morning.  SBS and Fox  have got you covered.

RWC Repechage Profile: Hong Kong

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It’s part 3 of our 4 part look at the teams running around in France during the repechage tournament, this week we turn to our nearest neighbour of the foursome, Hong Kong.

Hong Kong qualified for the tournament in a rather more winning way than the other teams.

Canada’s there by virtue of losing the Americas spot to the USA, Kenya were runners-up in Africa Gold and Germany pulled a Steven Bradbury through the Euro qualifiers, losing six of their 8 matches in the process.

The Dragons, on the other hand, steamrolled the local competition en route to winning the 2018 Asia Rugby Championship.

The title saw them face the Cook Islands in a two-leg playoff to qualify for the current tournament where they were barely troubled, running 77-3 winners over the two games.

Hong Kong had come in with high hopes, their world ranking of 21 was higher than any of the other teams and their coach described them as being “fitter, stronger and better prepared than we’ve ever been”.

Despite their winning ways in the lead-up, they were stunned in the first round by a resurgent (and re-stocked) Germany who took the match 26-9 but their tournament got back on track after the weekend with a strong 42-17 win over Kenya.

The win sets up a winner-take-all clash with Canada next weekend, although if my calculations are correct, Hong Kong need to win the match AND have a winning margin of 58 points or more (***EDIT, it would need to be a win by more than 29, thanks IIPA for picking up my error) AND deny Canada a bonus point AND score a bonus point of their own.  Got it?

Tune in next week for a look at the final standings.

 

 

  • Kiwi rugby lover

    Thanks Andrew,

    Going to be great watching the tweets develop over the season and especially leading up to the Reds vs Rebels match. Even more especially if the Rebels win. Going to be a great sideshow to the season.

    That speal by Jones is just vomit inducing, this is going to be fun as both teams are in a bit of shit, although I think the Wallabies are worse off. It’ll be interesting seeing this develop as the pressure comes on.

    • Nutta

      One of the great assets of Eddie both as player and coach is that he relieves pressure on his team by shifting outside aggro onto himself. I sort of admire that ability.

      • onlinesideline

        but is it intentional though ?

        • Nutta

          The Earl of Sandwich did not intend for his misbegotten midnight gambling snack to become what it is either…

        • Geoffro

          MC is the Sultan of Shit Sandwich.Misbegotten gambling seems to be a bit of a habit too.

      • Kiwi rugby lover

        Yeah that and loyalty are certainly two of his redeeming qualities

    • Brumby Runner

      Also looking forward to the Tahs v Rebels game when the most dominant Aussie No 10 ever comes face to face with the prodigal son.

  • Brisneyland Local

    Morning GAGR’s! I am really enamoured with the morning I get into my office and my EA isnt here! Ah the little things! My random thoughts whilst imbibing legally addictive stimulants (Kwofffffeeeeee):
    – I have read the full transcript of QC and Wessell’s interview. It is a good read.I per se dont have a single issue with the comments that were made. The interesting part that I took out of out, and that I have found out from people at QRU. Thorn never sat down and had a face to face with QC. The “your not part of my plans moving forward” was done with a phone call. Interesting that both were in Brisbane at the time.
    – Eddie Jones is going to be intolerable this week, and worse next week if and when they win! Does Eddie have a mute button?
    – Cant wait for the repecharge results. It is actually quite exciting.
    So GAGR’s what do we think Cheika the Ass Clowns crazy selections are going to be for the game fvs the Soapdodgers!

    • Human

      ‘morning BL. If it is a 5-3 bench, my bet is that Cheika will go with the team that lost to Wales, with AAC on the pine in place of Maddocks. It will be all about “building combinations” and “getting the structures right” with AAC having the “experience in English conditions that we need for this game”. If 6-2 then Toomua may be dropped. The Bastard will, of course, be left on the bus….which will be driven to Lands End and left there…just to show him what Cheika really thinks of him.

      • Brisneyland Local

        H, that is what I am worried about. Foley and Beale are the problem, and Toomua wears the hurt. It is appalling.

        • disqus_NMX

          TBH, it doesn’t matter who is picked, the coaching will turn it into rubbish. The best place to be for a player at the moment, is not in this squad at all. QC is getting better as a player, while everyone in this squad are losing skills and having their souls slowly wither.

        • Brisneyland Local

          Really good point.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          That’s actually a pretty good point. Maybe the injury to Petaia was a good thing

        • Brumby Runner

          Foley and Beale have been one of the major problems, and an ongoing one, for a couple of years. Neither are currently in form, and I would argue haven’t been consistent test standard players since the last RWC.

          It’s just now that we can ignore the protestations that there is no other No 10 in the land, since Toomua has returned. The option is there for Cheika to move away from Foley (for the time being) and Beale (for good), but I fear he won’t take it.

        • Brisneyland Local

          Oh so true. He will just further cement them and therefore us into this awful position.

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          Quade has offered an alternative to Nard since 2014.

          I heard a theory that Cheika may be subconsciously enamoured by undersized players without sufficient skill but with the ‘right attitude’ as a result of his insecurites due to never being big or skilled enough to play for the Wallabies.

      • Singapore Sling

        I have a feeling the penny may have dropped for Cheika re Foley. I think Toomua will be 10 and Kerevi 12 and 2dads 13 with Beale on the bench. Hang on do I really believe that…nah!

    • Keith Butler

      My office is currently the back paddock where we’re about to shift 4 cubic metres of soil and plant half a dozen poplars. Such is life for a retiree. Even as a SD I findEddie Jones intolerable most of the time. He and Cheks should have their lips stitched together up til game time. Enjoy the coffee.

      • Brisneyland Local

        Thanks KB. Mind you I would rather be doing what you are doing. After 20 + years in the ARmy being an office jockey these days is doing my head in.

      • Nutta

        Enjoy the fresh air and exercise. Just remember with Eddie, it’s not about what he is saying and where he is pointing. It’s about where & what he isn’t pointing and saying.

        • Brisneyland Local

          The art of distraction.

        • Keith Butler

          Fresh air! Four hours and the wife and I are shagged. Back in the day we could be at it all day. I really have no idea where England are headed. Could easily finish second to bottom in the 6 Nations and fail to get out of our group in the RWC. Or we could make the semis. No problems with Aus making the Q/Fs I reckon. After that it’s anyone’s guess.

        • John Tynan

          “…Back in the day we could be at it all day….” I bet you could, I bet you could….wink wink nudge nudge know wotimean, know wotimean…

        • Keith Butler

          I do like a bit of double entendre.

        • John Tynan

          And I thank you for leaving the gate open.

      • John Tynan

        It’s a rugby site, not a poplarity contest…

    • Nutta

      Dude you mention the EA most mornings. Now the tide turned for modern industrial relations when in April of 1806 the Royal Navy discontinued floggings for ship-board indiscretions and it’s all been downhill from there. But if the individual is that much a pain then x2 related Counselings = a warning and we go from there… Do you want to hire me as a consultant? Maybe I should offer the same services to RA. Seems they aren’t shy to spend up on Consultants and there are a few folk who need … appropriate refocusing …

      • Brisneyland Local

        Nutta. Sorry must be my poor humour. She is actually wonderful and very competent, not to mention stunningly beautiful (are we allowed to say that anymore?). But when she is in my day gets busy as she ‘sheep dogs’ me around every where to meetings and working groups. I dont get a chance to write and read GAGR. As I am having to do my job. So the moments she isnt there are the moments I can GAGR.
        Hopefully that makes sense!

        • Nutta

          Damn.

        • Brisneyland Local

          Sorry about that. Also she is very distracting. Which is bad for people like you and I who have low attention spans.

        • Greg

          “She”? I thought this was Hoss’s friend/cousin Trevor moonlighting

        • Nutta

          Who said Trevor can’t be attractive?

        • Hoss

          Everyone’s gay once in their life. I have been twice.

        • Brisneyland Local

          Remember you are a Sportsman if you give it!

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          You’re only gay if you push back and smile

        • Parker

          Now come on, that’s just following the herd!

        • Greg

          is this a military saying?

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Hahahahaha well it’s certainly one us Army types credit the Navy with lol

        • Nutta

          I once had a leather clad Bear tell me you’re not a man until you’ve had a man…

        • Hoss

          Bring out the Gimp.

        • Nutta

          But the Gimps sleeping.

        • Brisneyland Local

          Pure gold!

        • Missing Link

          Is there a technical problem with GAGR today, the pics of your EA don’t seem to be loading? :P

        • Brisneyland Local

          I think she would kill me if I did that!

        • andrewM

          what a terrible conundrum to have BL.. to have a beautiful woman attend to you or read about rugby. Maybe some your obviously well developed negotiating skills are required here. I have seen some wonderful EA’s in my time, able to keep some wonderfully talented but completely disorganised people on the rails and the eagle eyes needed to sort out the chaffe of the everyday working environment. They can also be very discreet about their masters’ weaknesses if recompensed appropriately..

        • Brisneyland Local

          aM. I think it is because she is South African, her brothers, and father (When he was alive) always go on about the rugby. She now has a new boss that just loves rugby, and she just looked at me and in her lovely lilting (sarcasm) South african accent gave me a huge serve about being another bloody rugby boy! And that she cant get away from them!

    • Kiwi rugby lover

      Mate, It’ll be his love children because god knows they aren’t the problem here. I’m picking AAC as either 13 or bench and Toomua as bench at best.

      • Greg

        With AAC I think there is a question whether he will be shown up with some more speed in the game. A gamble to go with him but why not.

        Whereas the gamble on Foley is almost a certainty… What is it the Mr Cheika sees that we don’t? I am sure he is a good bloke and I am sure he is busting a gut… but it is not happening. The guy needs a rest. He is not steady hands, not unpredictable and not physically dominant.

        And finally Beale…. the guy just needs a break. We had a straightener last week but he typically got the ball on the touch line and immediately had to angle in with two-three defenders covering him…. and still he made an impact.

        I know this is old news…. but I just can’t explain it.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          And to be fair you can’t blame them for being picked. Look I’m sure that them, and others who I don’t like such as Hanigan, absolutely get out there and give it their best. This is on the coaching team not them personally, although I admit at times it comes out as against them. I know if I was picked for the Abs I’d absolutely play. And I’d get smashed for being completely useless but I’d damn well play and give it my best regardless.

        • disqus_NMX

          The problem is simply too many years of shit coaching. Both Beale and Foley used to be good players. They won a Super title ffs. But too long under the guidance of this coaching team has turned them both to shit.

        • Parker

          Foley was never as good as QC

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          See my above comment about Cheika subconsciously preferring players without ability to those that have them.

      • Brisneyland Local

        KRL, I think you are probably right. And that is worrying!

  • Nutta

    Dudes I’m confused. Are the Krauts in or out?

    • Kiwi rugby lover

      Fuck knows

    • Brisneyland Local

      We have another round of games to go to find out. Well that is my understanding of it! But Nutta as you know I am not renowned for my intellectual capabilities.

      • Nutta

        See I can’t ‘vote up’ on that because if I do then I’m agreeing with your self-assessment that you’re stupid and that would be terribly unkind on my part.

        • Brisneyland Local

          Not at all my good man! Not at all!

    • IIPA

      Germany are gone as haven’t picked up a bonus point in either match so far. I think the maths above are wrong re HK and Canada. Current points differential is 50-something but if HK win by more than half that margin ( eg:29) then that’s negated in their favour and they’d finished even on points and ahead on for-against and thru.

      Much as I’d love to see HK get in I don’t think it will happen and Canada in means a stronger RWC.

      I say that because apart from a couple of injuries the HK squad is about as good as it gets whereas Canada will almost certainly pull in the likes of Hiriyama, Justin Douglas, Harry Jones from their 7s squad for the RWC.

      • Andrew H

        oh, of course. The difference would be added/subtracted both ways. That’s my late-night maths clearly NOT shining.

      • Andrew H

        I’ve now edited the post to reflect this, thanks for the heads up. :)

    • Happyman

      Germany are as good as out played and lost to Canada.

      Will need results to go there way.

      As in HK to beat Canada by about 30 and they beat Kenya by about 70.

  • onlinesideline

    please make this week go quickly
    please make this game be as painless as possible
    please make the lights in the post match presser suddenly fail
    please make this season end

    PLEASE

  • Missing Link

    What are our chances against England? Honest answers only

    • Nutta

      Achilles Heels will be lineout and turnovers. That will be the death of us. If we miraculously fixed even just the lineout I would say we have a shot.

      We will give-over (say) a dozen turnovers because of Beale-ism (sideways running). I am simply accepting that. And that means they will score 2 tries at least plus a few gimme-penalties by us when they are attacking our red zone. So they will chalk up 20-25pts.

      In return we will therefore need 3 or 4 penalties plus at least 2tries. So if we don’t convert attacking lineouts by simply securing the fkn ball (another 4-6 turnovers) then it’s lights out.

      • Ed

        Hope Cheika and co have a plan for England’s kick and chase game. It is superb. You can bet if Farrell sees Foley or Beale out on the wing, there will be an up and under directed at them with chasers at them.
        One positive for the Wallabies is the forecast has little chance of rain.

        • Greg

          I am forecasting a yellow for Farrel for an armless tackle.

        • Brisneyland Local

          Yep and if Latu is in the team I am forecasting at least one yellow for us. Plus a general play yellow. So that’s two for us.

        • Ed

          The most yellow carded player in tests has not had one this year – maybe he can keep his record clean in 2018.

        • Brisneyland Local

          Off the top of my head is that Hooper?

        • Ed

          Correct. Eight times on the naughty chair.

        • Brisneyland Local

          He is a very naughty boy. And all the Waratah fans used to say he was a liability with 5 YC’s.

        • GeorgiaSatellite

          Genuine question: do you think that might be because Pocock’s doing most of the pilfering and knows how to do it legally?

        • Ed

          Dunno GS. Pocock has missed quite a few tests since Hooper made his debut.
          I believe Brian (Poey) has received zero yellow cards in tests.

        • onlinesideline

          oh boy are they going to wind up Latu

        • Brisneyland Local

          Damn straight. I would be. I would be goading him every minute of the match!

        • Greg

          just save it for the 80th minute!

        • onlinesideline

          “what for Sirrr ? “

        • UTG

          We haven’t really struggled on kick recepit at all this year with Folau and DHP in the back 3. We basically broke Connor Murray and his much vaunted box kicks in game 1 of the Irish Series and they moved away from that tactic after it.

    • Kevino

      I give you 25% chance of winning if the Pooper does not play, the Wallabies need a balanced back row. Yes, it’s effective sometimes when Pocock can get to the breakdown quickly. But teams are well aware how to handle this method now and Eddie has worked it out and a long time ago.

    • Kiwi rugby lover

      We’re stuffed. Absolutely no chance at all even if they get rid of Beale, Foley and Folau as the alternative players have not had time together to gel. I’m thinking England by 13+

      • onlinesideline

        Im thinking more than 13. England look good to me. Why ? – they are big, they know how to, when to use their size. Brawn seems to come a distant second to smarts now in the English team. This was always their potential but now they are really realising it and it seems they are just as aware of the mental challenges as the ABs. The players all look like they have done a basic degree majoring in on field discipline, adjusting strategy and just using their brains generally. TBH I’m impressed and think they will get better still. Eddie’s rumoured 18 hour days seem to be rubbing off on the team. Thats my gut feel.

        We on the other hand are in dire need of a similar rugby brain to take control. The weekend could be really horrible. On the other hand if it is, maybe just maybe Castle will react.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Mate I think it’s far to late for her to do anything except support the team.

        • Parker

          See my previous comment about never too late to improve. Sounds like you don’t want us to improve.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          No that’s not it, I do want you to improve I just can’t see that anything will happen before the RWC as after what others such as BLL who are in the know on the contract status say RA can’t afford it. I also don’t think any self respecting and decent coach would want a bar of this current team until after the failure of RWC when they can come in and make the major changes needed.

        • Parker

          Way more than 13. They’re going to run through us like prunes. Not quite a vindaloo or a stale Chiko roll, but run through they will.

        • Keith Butler

          Jeez OLSL you’re a darn sight more positive than I am – and I’m a pure bred SD. Suppose it depends on who EJ selects. I reckon it will be a lot closer that you are predicting and that the G&G might snatch a win.

        • idiot savant

          Youre right about the Poms being smart rugby players. The intelligence of their play in the first 30 minutes against NZ was first rate. If it rains we have no chance.

      • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

        England have been shit and are facing an injury crisis.

        By picking the right team we’d give ourselves a chance. The fact is that the right team probably will be in form on account of having been relatively ignored by Cheika, and therefore not spoiled as much by his coaching.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          But it won’t be picked

        • Custard Taht

          But their shit is a 1 point loss to the All Blacks….our shit and our best is a drubbing by the All Blacks.
          I will take the English shit.

    • Geoffro

      Depends which England side shows up.Could be close or a complete blowout in their favour.

    • Damo

      Whichever pack he selects I expect to stand up and have a crack. They will go ok on D.
      However like every other top tier opposition, Eddie knows that aggressive, outside in rush defence sends our flaky backline attack into a meltdown, which will lead to turnovers which will be used to punch big holes in our equally flaky backline defence (even more likely if he picks the 10 & 12 we think he will pick).
      The only chance we have I think is if England overplay the rush D and we get some lucky bounces & Samu K can get into some space. A couple of early tries against the run of play might give us the game momentum we need to get up by maybe 10-12 points. If the England plan is executed and they get the bounce of the ball then a 40 point drubbing is on the cards.
      We don’t have the power, the skills, the intelligence or the fire in the belly to deliver an arm wrestle type win against England ( As per Ire vs AB’s). And all of the negatives are exacerbated if Pocock doesn’t play.

    • UTG

      Only team to beat Ireland this year. Our defense is much better against NH opposition, the shuffling around works pretty well when you don’t have such a threat of counterattack–we’ve conceded one try per game against NH opposition on average in the games we’ve played. Wouldn’t be surprised if we run them very close.

    • John Tynan

      Adrian? Calling Adrian?
      Upbeat optimism required in Aisle 4…

    • Custard Taht

      I am going with the Poms putting 40ish on us, and we will return serve with around 15ish.

      • onlinesideline

        thats is definitely within realms of the possible. Scots did it last year to us and Poey not playing….. (I think he wont play)

        • Custard Taht

          Yep, Pocock would be silly to play unless he is 100%. Overall it is a meaningless game, and Cheika is not worth the sacrifice.

    • GeorgiaSatellite

      The phrase “beaten like a rented mule” comes to mind. Sigh.

    • Greg

      Just googling “lubeless reaming”…..

  • Hoss

    Morning Fellow Earthlings,

    My time in the southern Chinese Provence of Gold Coast ( I believe it’s pronounced Sheng Fei in Mandolin) is about to end as I board the 12.50 to civilisation.

    Looking forward to the week ahead as I am the big 5-0, only to be ruined by a pending rectum adjustment technique by Dr Farking Evil and his white storm troopers. Keen for the season to end – what a misearabke fuck-fest it has been.

    Like my hairline we have regressed to arsehole levels. Can’t tackle, pass, catch, kick or think – isn’t Segalls mantra ‘playing the Australian way????’ I need an off season just to de-shit myself as a fan.

    I am with most of you today – I just can’t see how we can win this weekend and if we do and really shine it will actually give me the shits even more about what could have been.

    So lose and be miserable and win and be really miserable….on that basis, swing low sweet chariot.

    • Kiwi rugby lover

      It’s a pretty damning indictment on the setup when this is the best that they can get out of their fans. Worse, it doesn’t appear as though there will be any changes until after the RWC debacle that is coming.

      • Hoss

        Yep mate.

      • Missing Link

        It’s interesting though, which path do you take?

        upset the apple cart – have a great result at the world cup – everyone at RA pats each other on the back
        upset the apple cart – fail at the world cup – oh well we had no other option as Cheika wasn’t performing
        maintain status quo – have a great result at the world cup – everyone at RA pats each other on the back
        maintain status quo – fail at the world cup – we should have sacked Cheika last year, but we’ll sure as hell sack him now

        • Ads

          I choose B! :)

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          That would be nice – as long as we won again – but sadly I can’t see it

        • Ads

          hey KRL,
          To me we are rooted for Bill whatever we do already. If that’s the case, let’s get on with the rebuild. New coaches often get a bounce. That bounce, coupled with new tactics etc might work in our favor. Probably not, but better than the current known known!

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          The only issue I see with this is trying to get someone who is credible and who can handle a smash and keep going. I agree this team is probably not going to go well and I’m not sure a new coaching setup with the same players doing the same dumb things will make any difference. I think a new coach will want to clean out some players as well and that’s a whole new ball game.

        • Custard Taht

          Jake White has the runs on the board

        • John Tynan

          They can’t sack him after the world cup, because he’s leaving!

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Yeah it is a bit of an issue. I personally think it’s too late now and RA are stuck with the rock show they have. There were opportunities to look into this after some of the previous failings but I think the issues around kicking out the Force and managing that fallout took too much time and the opportunities were missed.

        • Parker

          What is this too late nonsense I keep seeing on GAGR? Repeat after me everyone, “It’s never too late to improve”. Since we’re at the lowest point we’ve been in yonks, the only way is up. What’s the downside of appointing a new coaching staff now…not performing well at the WC? What likelihood is there of that happening with the current regime? Extremely high, right. So what have we got to lose? Out they go. High time we brought in people who give us a fighting chance.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Mate I agree with the sentiment but I’m not sure the practicalities of it would work. As I’ve mentioned before it’s not just the coaches, it’s also some of the players. Some need to go, some need to demonstrate a changed attitude and some need to get their mojo back and all of them need to demonstrate that they are willing to learn and continue to develop their skills.

          I think by the time this game is over, everyone comes back and they go through a review and then negotiation on the management of the sacking and wages etc, then look for a new coaching team, negotiate their contract (while at a huge disadvantage in the situation) appoint them and then get them integrated into the system the world cup will be over.

    • disqus_NMX

      Next time you’re in the GC, give a shout and I can show you about some secret spots!

      • Missing Link

        You’re going to show Hoss where to buy Baccardi Breezers at this time of year without ID?

        • Brisneyland Local

          Don’t be silly. The schoolies aren’t into booze. They are into pills!

        • disqus_NMX

          Bah ha ha gold! If “toolies” are over-age “schoolies”, then 50 yr old “toolies” should probably be called “droolies”.

      • Hoss

        Cheers mate – will take you up on that.

    • Brisneyland Local

      MAaaaate! Hope you got some decent beach time in. Next time I am dragging you and the other Hoss’s north!

      • Hoss

        Lock me in Eddie.

        • Brisneyland Local

          I promise you no GC crap. NO schoolies, toolies, druggies, Russian mafia, or general Gold Coast wankerism.
          Just sunshine coast sunshine, surf, food and beverages!

        • Hoss

          I am having the plane turned around now.

        • Brisneyland Local

          Well next time you are planning a trip up north to Banana bender land, let me know.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          I’m in

        • Brisneyland Local

          Sweet. A GAGR’s Queensland adventure.

        • Damo

          Well, I’m already here on the SC lying in wait lads. Shiraz in hand, an almanac of “the older I get the better I was” sporting bullshit stories ready to roll. Looking forward to discussing not to the death of Oz rugby but the dawn of a new era… slurp!!

        • Brisneyland Local

          Where on the SC. I weekend at Coolum!

    • Keith Butler

      Positive thinking Hoss. At least the G&G are pretty much a shoe in for the Q/Fs in the RWC unless they eat some dodgy sushi. England on the other hand could disappear up their own backsides with the group they’re in. The game this weekend be a 80 min bore fest or a stunning 80 mins display of running rugby by two teams that know exactly where they’re going.

      • Hoss

        This is my third time cheering for the Motherland mate.

        1. Battle for independence v the States. You did well to lose, look at those sad fuckers right now.
        2. European knock-out of the late 30’s and early 40’s. Nippon made the quarters but were never in the hunt
        3. And now, through clenched teeth. It the lesser of two evils. Kinda like when my GP told me he was unsure if it was severe herpes or a flesh eating bug in the groinage area – both equally painful.

        • Nutta

          I don’t know who you are anymore.

        • Hoss

          To quote my favourite one hit wonder Mr Nutta – ‘I’ve been to paradise, but I’ve never been to me’

        • Keith Butler

          Bloody hell Hoss. I’ll have to buy you a pint of warm Watney’s Red Barrel – my favourite tipple as a youth and fortunately no longer brewed.

      • Kiwi rugby lover

        Mate I’m not so sure the Wallabies are a shoe I for the QF. I’d suggest with this bunch of muppets it’s 50/50 at best

        • Keith Butler

          If we ( G&G my adopted team) cannot get results against Georgia, Fiji and Uruguay then the wheels have well and truely fallen off. The first two will be difficult though.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Yeah although if the Wallabies need to rest people against Fiji they could suffer. Unless there’s big changes I see them losing to Wales and struggling against Fiji

        • Custard Taht

          Fiji harpooned Wales in a world cup……and further more, Cheika and his disciples are worried enough about Fiji, they are closing up shop for the Fiji 10 in an Aus super team.

    • Geoffro

      heh,heh, a season of Aussie test cricket should fix you up. (Sorry didn’t mean to extend your aggravation) :)

  • Silver Ghost

    So Much for the rating system.
    If by chance we beat England by more than 15 (very improbable) and I think SA lose to the Taffy’s – Australia will be ranked 4.
    Can you F@#cking believe it?

    • Nutta

      Dude in 2016 no-one believed Trump would be POTUS either. But on 20th Jan 2017 a HUGE crowd gathered to watch…

      • Silver Ghost

        Biggest crowd ever hey??

    • Who?

      Yes. Because it takes into account the past 4 years, not the past 1 year. And so we’re held up in the rankings by our results in 2015. If we were to have 4 years of results like this year, we’d be a long way from climbing the rankings.
      This is probably relevant to remember when we get a new coach. Be it next month, or early 2020 (much more likely). That coach’s record will be tainted in ranking terms because that ranking will still be impacted by Cheika’s 2018 results, all the way until 2023.
      Further, this year’s results and the likelihood that Cheika will continue through the end of the RWC (be it the QF or the pool) mean it’s nigh on impossible for us to be confident of a ranking of 4 or higher by the end of 2020, ensuring we avoid NZ/Ireland and whoever else manages to squeeze into the top 4 when the seedings are set for the 2023 RWC.

  • Larry Jorgensen

    Something to consider in our assessment of core #10 skills.

    https://www.instagram.com/p/BqXUOENCLMg/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=7doteo27agf8

  • NickAJW

    Cheika’s squad selection which wouldn’t surprise me:

    (front row needs specialists, so pick his favourite front row)
    Sio
    Latu
    AAAAAAAA

    (Locks and backrow are interchangeable, just pick the ‘best’ players)
    Samu
    Flanders
    Lee Magors
    Gene
    Brian

    (Backs)
    Bovine Sprinkler
    Dusty (natural rugby player, will be fine at 10 if not hampered by Genia, trains well)
    Can’t get right (trains hard)
    Spanners (obviously a natural 12, was hampered by having two cows inside him)
    Gilbert (the right person to run the defensive line at 12, in great form)
    Abbatoir (who wouldn’t want to see this)
    Two Dads (because fuck Banks and DHP, they didn’t even play for the Tahs)

    Done with the comedy – what I think he will actually pick:

    1. Sio (does he have a nickname)
    2. Palestine
    3. AAAAAAA
    4. ‘Lightweight Buddy’
    5. Rodda
    6. Flanders
    7. Lee Magors
    8. Brian (if available)
    9. Sanchez
    10. Spanners
    11. Koroibete
    12. Gilbert
    13. Kerevi
    14. AAC
    15. Dusty

    And…Because it doesn’t matter – what I’d like to see tried:
    1. Sio (does he have a nickname)
    2. Palestine
    3. AAAAAAA
    4. Simmons
    5. Rodda
    6. Dempsey
    7. Lee Magors
    8. Brian (if available)
    9. Sanchez
    10. Toomua
    11. Sefa
    12. Kerevi
    13. AAC (Duncan P on bench, I think a start against England in Twickers is a good way to ‘Slipper’ him)
    14. Dusty
    15. DHP

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