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Tuesday Rugby News sees No changes to the Giteau Law, Kuridrani benefits from a holiday, Nic White interested in World Cup return and a review into injuries.


 

 

NO CHANGES TO THE GITEAU LAW

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With the recent announcement that Rugby South Africa are scrapping their version of the Giteau Law, it comes as no surprise that the actual Giteau Law would be up for discussion. Despite the rule being frequently reviewed, Rugby Australia are happy with the standard that requires a player to have played 60 test and seven seasons of Super Rugby to qualify.

It is a law that many believe should be changed, especially now with the South African change fro 30 tests to no requirements.

According to RA boss Raelene Castle, Australia are win no rush to change the laws.

“At the moment, we’re very comfortable with the way it’s performing,” she said.

“The Giteau law for us is a rule that’s in place that we review often because we need to make sure that it’s delivering to the outcomes that we put it in place for.

“And we believe it is, we believe the benchmark is right as a 60-Test threshold because if you’ve played 60 tests for your country you deserve the chance to look at other options because you have the training maturity and the professionalism to come back into the Wallaby environment and fit right in.

“We think from a going overseas perspective it’s right, we think probably if we lowered it, what it does do is potentially have us lose some of the current talent that we have playing here in Super Rugby.

“And Super Rugby is also incredibly important for us because we need to make sure that our four teams are successful in the Super Rugby competition.”

Many critics believe this will cripple South African Super Rugby, RSA believe it will prevent an exodus of players leaving Africa in search of better money.

Castle also raises a fair point when looking at the location differences between Australia and South Africa, in comparison to Europe.

“And I think also the reality of their decision is that works for them because 12 hours up and back on the plane is achievable, whereas 24 hours to get from the UK and Australia and back again, is probably not realistic.” Castle said

“There’s some differences in views. The All Blacks have no rule, so if you’re not playing in Super Rugby, you don’t get selected for the All Blacks, we have a 60-cap threshold and that works for us.” she added.

Whilst plenty have called for a change to the Giteau Law (this pundit not included), former Wallaby and Director of Gainline Analyistcs Ben Darwin believes the “ramifications of this decision will be pretty dire”.

Darwin and his company broke down the statistics on the success of an open selection policy.

In Rugby World Cups since 1999, full small system domestic teams, that is, countries with the entirety of their squad playing domestically and with few foreign players in their competitions, have won 87.5 per cent of their matches.

Countries such as France and England, who only select locally-based players but have a large influx of overseas talent in their club competitions, win 74.5 per cent.

With laws such as Australia’s Giteau Law and South Africa’s previous 30-cap restriction for overseas players, the win rate goes to 58.2 per cent and when players are allowed to be picked from anywhere, that rate falls to just 14 per cent historically. Via. RUGBY.com.au

Darwin believes that team cohesion tends to be far more impacting on the squad than the most talented players.

“Teams that draw their players from just the local teams do much better historically at World Cups,” Darwin said.

“Generally, the drivers of success for a World Cup is that it’s not about the national team alone, it’s as much about the clubs and the states.

“Most success comes off the base of cohesion that comes out of club level.”

RUGBY AUSTRALIA TO REVIEW INJURIES

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Not long ago it was brought up on Green and Gold Rugby that four players left Michael Cheika’s “fit camp” carrying soft tissue injuries, David Pocock, Adam Coleman, Nick Phipps and Dane Haylett-Petty.

Now the wider rugby community has put one and one together, with the Super Rugby clubs left fuming that their players were injured, and Rugby Australia issuing a review of what happened.

At the unveiling of the John “Nobody” Eales statue at Suncorp Stadium, RA boss Raelene Castle was questioned about the injuries.

“We are all concerned about the injuries. That’s certainly not the ideal place for anyone to start. Nobody was comfortable with the fact we had injuries and Rugby Australia is reviewing the reasons for those injuries,” Castle told the Herald.

Castle followed up with a comment saying that it would be inevitable to have frustration between the Super Clubs and the Wallabies staff as they try to collaborate.

“The tension that is in the market around Wallaby camps in a World Cup year, that’s perfectly natural and I would expect the Super Rugby teams – while wanting the Wallabies to be successful – they are also trying to win. Coaches and administrators know their reputations are on the line, too,” Castle said.

“It’s a marriage everybody knows we need to have but it does have some tension around it.”

No coach or administrator for the Super Clubs or RA has gone on record about the issue, for obvious reasons.

Pocock and Haylett-Petty returned for round one, with Coleman expected to play this Friday. Waratahs assistant coach Chris Whittaker has said there is no timeline on Phipps.

From a Wallabies perspective, Michael Cheika made a request that his players arrive at the camp in match fitness, which begs the question how professionals like Pocock and Haylett-Petty were pushed to the point of injury? Or why was the Head Coach running the fitness sessions.

Adding to more fuel to the already burning situation, RA as requested that Rebels and Brumbies players be in Sydney the day after their match at AAMI park on the 8th, and the Reds and Waratahs are to join them after their match the following night at the SCG. This camp will run until Tuesday night.

This will jeopardise the Rebels who travel to Johannesburg to take on the Lions in the first Africa legs, as well as the Waratahs and the Brumbies who face of in Canberra on the 15th, meaning they would only have two full days of training a head of the match.

With the resignation of Hayden Masters, it means his successor will have to hit the ground running and produce results quickly.

WHITE WANTS TO COME HOME

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Following on from the topic over seas players, comes the regular segment of, “Over Seas Player wants to come home for the World Cup”. Todays segment features former Brumby and current Exeter half back Nic White.

White played four years for the Brumbies and has 22 Wallabies caps to his name, so for him to be eligible he would need to sign with a  Super Rugby team for the 2020 season.

White who is originally from NSW could step in and fill the void of London Irish bound Nick Phipps at the Waratahs.

There is also conversions regarding the long term playing future of Will Genia, or maybe there is a home for him in his old stomping ground in Canberra. 

“As much as people think old head and that I’ve played a lot of footy now, I’d like to think I’m only half way through my career,” White told the Newcastle Herald last year.

“I think the year I’ve just had with Exeter is certainly the best footy I’ve played in my career and I’d like to think I’m getting better.

“So I hope one day that opportunity [to play a World Cup] comes. I’ll probably line myself up contractually wise to leave the door open after this World Cup [2019]. I’ve put a line through that World Cup … but if I’m playing good enough footy then [2023], something could possibly happen and it’s something I’d jump at. Maybe a World Cup at 33.”

Many pundits have claimed given how White has been playing for the Chiefs that he could easily slot his way back into the Wallaby fold, but after he was overlooked in 2015 for the World Cup it might not be as easy as it looks on paper.

If he does find his way back to Australia though, he would join the likes of Matt Toomua, Luke Jones, Will Genia, Quade Cooper, Kurtley Beale and Adam Ashley-Cooper who were all apart of the last post World Cup exodus.

 

TIME AWAY GOOD FOR KURIDRANI

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A season ending injury can sometimes be a curse, and sometimes be a blessing in disguised as it offers some time away to not only heal the body but heal the mind.

After a pectoral injury ruled Tevita Kuridrani out of Wallabies selection for the second half of 2018, the 27 year old centre decided to take some time away from the game and go and travel.

As a devout christian he took this chance to travel to Israel and it offered an insight to him of a world away from Rugby.

“After I knew I wasn’t going on Spring Tour I used my time off, travelled and got away from rugby,” he told RUGBY.com.au ahead of the Super Rugby season.

“It refreshed my mind and I think that really helped me coming back into preseason.”

“I’m of a Christian background so going to Jerusalem was definitely the highlight,” he said.

“It was really interesting to go there and visit all the places written about in the Bible.

“I think that really helped a lot just trying to get my mind away from rugby and refresh.”

Kuridrani is also reaping the benefits of not going on the Spring Tour as it has allowed him to have a full preseason with the Brumbies after starting back in December, something he hasn’t had the luxury of for many years.

“I  think the last time I had a full preseason was 2012 or 2013 and it’s really helped me this preseason,” he said.

“I’ve dropped a few kilos and feeling a bit fitter and a bit faster, which is good.”

Though the Super season is only two matches in, Kuridrani appear to be in some of the best form in recent times, scoring a double against the Chiefs, whilst also looking leaner, faster and stronger.

Kuridrani isn’t the only player who has talk about the benefits of stepping away from Rugby and going traveling, Quade Cooper speaking with SEN in Melbourne opened up about the mental benefits of his time playing for Souths in 2018. We all saw the impact David Pocock had coming back from his sabbatical. Maybe time away would do some players a world of good?

The competition for the Wallaby 13 jersey will be hotly contested this year with youngster Jordan Petaia showing great form early on, Samu Kerevi pushing hard at the end of last season, and Reece Hodge returning from a freak injury.

 

  • Andrew H

    Nice articles Dyl.

    • Dylan Langes

      Cheers mate

      • John Tynan

        Get a room, you two!

  • Andy

    Would be good to see white back. If he signs for a super team for 2020 he should be picked automatically over Phipps. That won’t happen though.

    Phipps is the new Dean Mumm

    • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

      No, Hanigan is the new Dean Mumm.

      Phipps is the new Phipps. Still somehow getting selected for no apparent reason.

      • David Creagh

        Nobody throws a shoe like Phipps.

        • Greg

          or tackles medics.

        • Brisneyland Local

          Or Bovine Sprinkles

        • Nutta

          I have ‘Cows with guns’ stuck in my head now.

    • Dylan Langes

      I think any half back should be selected over Phipps. Serovi, Ruru, Powell, Gordon, Lucas would all be better than Phipps.

      • Brisneyland Local

        Agree. I am really liking the cut of Sorovi’s jib. Good defender. Hard straight runner.

        • Nutta

          Get it right; Sir Robby.

        • Brisneyland Local

          Sweet, I will.

        • Dylan Langes

          I knew I spelt it wrong

        • Happyman

          Also nice to see he is doing his bit for the QRU taping bill by getting his knee better. Seriously he looks like he may have overtaken McDermott in the picking order.

        • Brisneyland Local

          Pure Gold.

        • Dylan Langes

          He still has a lot of growth to do around some of his decision making but damn he works hard and brings a spark to the game that i haven’t seen from Phipps in a … ever.

        • Brisneyland Local

          DL absolutely. Fast off the mark too.

        • Brumby Runner

          Sorovi does remind me of Genia when he first came to notice. ATM I would still place him behind Powell and White (if he comes back) but he will be a contender post 2019.

      • John Tynan

        Powell had a cracker last weekend, beautiful flat passing, out in front, no stutter steps.

  • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

    Excellent news about White. I can’t imagine a Brumby choosing to go to the Tahs, so would think and hope he would look at coming home to the Brumbies.

    Also, Castle has thus far proved to be empty words. I can’t take anything from RA seriously at this point. Hopefully they change my mind, but thus far I think she has proven herself to be inferior to Pulver.

    Grear to hear regarding TK. Question is, is it time we started sending B-teams on the spring tour to rest players, or should super rugby start a month later? Punt the Sunwolves and, in my opinion, the Jaguares, and if the rumours are try and 1-2 South African teams are looking to go north, return to super 12 round robin.

    • Dylan Langes

      I don’t expect anything will come from the RA review of Cheika’s fit camp.

      I don’t think we can afford to send B teams when our A team can’t perform haha. I remember listening to a podcast during the Irish tour last year talking about how NH teams had started to send their A teams rather than development teams during the June Series and its because of they they developed stronger teams. A sort of “if you want to be the best you need to beat the best” attitude.

      Ill be intrigued to see what happens with White, realistically he could join any franchise at the moment. Though I will admit I have never been a massive fan of his. But he is better than most other options after Willy G

      • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

        Is it time we stop caring about the spring tours, and just focus on performing in July and the rugby championship (and World Cup)?

        Maybe the spring tour should be used as a time to blood new talent and build depth. Our top Wallabies suffer hugely from not having proper off seasons.

        I think he might be better than Will based on both of their last 12 months.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          I am sure that if RA announced this and said the games were about blooding new talent and building for the future not about winning then us fans would be much happier with some of the losses. The trouble is we’re getting them now with no development in some critical positions and the same old bullshit from the coaches and players.

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          Yep, exactly.

        • Dylan Langes

          It could be as option that’s for sure.
          I mean look at the Italy game. Cheika starts Gordon and puts Genia on the bench only to drop Gordon for Phipps the next week. Silly move. Genia should have been given the holiday.
          Ive been watching a bit of the UK Rugby, he’s definitely improved but still does a terrible box kick. Im not sure his game management is as good as Genia. Id be happy to be proven wrong if he comes back thought.

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          I think his box kicks are pretty good.

          Game management weaker than Genia’s, but he’s got a better running game now, and a faster, longer and more accurate pass I think. Both good options.

        • Dylan Langes

          Im a little bitter after he boxed kick form inside the 10 straight down the ABs for them to run in an score a try with a few minutes to go. I know i need to get over it, i’m just not ready haha.

          Him as a back up to Genia to come on with 20 could be a strong option.

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          A lot of things went into us losing that match. White has his average kick (but admittedly the All Blacks’ defence was pushing us back), Foley missed that tackle to let them score, but above all captain courageous made the dim witted decision to kick that goal in the 77th (or whatever) minute to put us 6 points ahead, rather than kick for the corner and run down the clock 5m from the All Blacks’ try line.

          White also won us that 2015 test against the All Blacks when he came off the bench, kicked a long range penalty, scored a try and converted it. People always forget that test, but remember 2014.

        • Dylan Langes

          Thats very true. Often people think about the one moment from a match and not everything else that happened or didn’t happen

        • Ed

          That was after the shit show Phipps and Foley had in that 2015 match.

        • Brumby Runner

          Know what you mean. I can’t let it go either. Ball passed back to White with no support just metres from the tryline and his box kick is too shallow. However, the try would not necessarily have been scored if Foley hadn’t then missed the crucial tackle which led to it.

        • Brumby Runner

          Development tours will not be compatible with the new World Competition if it comes about. All tests, including the EOYT tours will count towards the Championship result.

      • Kiwi rugby lover

        I tend to agree that nothing will come from any review. I am thinking more and more that RA have written off 2019 and are setting themselves up for post Cheika with a new structure in place and lost of lessons on what not to do when selecting and contracting a coach and coaching team.

        • Dylan Langes

          Unfortunately i think you’re right. I just hope they use this as a period of testing to sort out all the kinks of a centralised system and player management.

      • Brumby Runner

        Good to see someone being honest in their assessment of Nic White. Before going o/s, Nic was heavily criticised by almost all fans other than Brumbies’ ones. This, despite it being quote clear on the evidence of play at Super level, Nic was the second best, maybe equal best, No 9 in the land.

        Now so many are coming out lauding Nic and hoping he will land in their preferred team. Only the Brumbies truly appreciated him when he was here, but I fear he will sign with the Tahs when he returns.

        • Who?

          Just noting, not a Brumbies (only) fan, but always thought White was hard done by… Thought he had a much better pass than Phipps, great motor, great boot. Odd gait, but who picks players on their gait, or halfbacks on their defence (not saying it was a weakness, but it’s definitely a strength for Phipps).

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          Remember Phipps’ pathetic miss on Muirhead for his try in the last round of 2018?

          Phipps’ defence is the most overrated thing in Aussie rugby. Powell is an extremely good defender though.

    • Brumby Runner

      Brumbies going to the Tahs? AAC?

      I almost agree in total with your take on Castle. Only difference is that I don’t yet think she is inferior to Pulver, but time will tell.

      • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

        Other than AAC and Hoops, who both definitely belonged more so to the Tahs in my eyes.

        I don’t think most Brumbies, especially the more humble ones ignored by ‘the establishment’ have a particularly positive view of the Tahs.

  • Mart

    We need halfbacks

    • Dylan Langes

      I agree, I think there has been a lack of development in that area. Really highlights a weakness in Cheika’s development work. Joe Powell has 4 caps for a total of 20 minutes of game time (something like that). The ABs start a new half back at the end of a World Cup year so come the next World Cup he has 50 odd caps. See Wepu to Smith to TJ.

      • Kiwi rugby lover

        Cheika has been so focussed on trying to win he hasn’t had time to look at development

        • Ed

          He has a plan, maaaaaate.

        • Brisneyland Local

          General Melchett: “Field Marshal Haig has formulated a brilliant new tactical plan to ensure final victory in the field.” Blackadder: “Ah. Would this brilliant plan involve us climbing out of our trenches and walking very slowly towards the enemy?” Captain Darling: “How could you possibly know that, Blackadder?! It’s classified information!”

        • Happyman

          I thought you may have quoted the Defence of the Wallabies being the French Maginot Line over the past couple of years.

          Defend a small part of the field very well and wonder why the opponent goes around it over it or under it.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Gold

        • Brisneyland Local

          HM that is absolutely applicable too.

        • Ed

          One of the classic scenes in television.

        • Brisneyland Local

          I so Love Blackadder!

        • Dylan Langes

          Whats this winning of which you speak haha

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          “Trying” to win mate

    • Kiwi rugby lover

      I’d also like to see some 10s come through. Lots of old heads in both positions but not a lot of future development

      • Dylan Langes

        I thought it was odd that Cheika took backorders as part of the development squad on the spring tour but no 9s or 10s. Why not take Stewart (I’m not a fan of), Deegan or Mason.

        • Brisneyland Local

          Cant create competition for his chosen one

  • Huw Tindall

    Glad TK got out of the bubble and did some living. I’m a massive believer in trying to get more well rounded players who are more than rugby athletes. Maybe I’m drawing a long and wearing the rose tint glasses but think back to the day when we had lawyers and builders and butchers and everything in between playing for the Wallabies. Seemed to have plenty of nous, discipline and leadership. The way it sounds from the old coaches like Dwyer he had smart well rounded people helping run the team with him. Not kids waiting to be told what to do. At the least it’ll help players see there is more to life than sport and even make them thankful for the amazing jobs they’ve got. I like to think of guys like BPA who was a garbage man prior to becoming a red and Wallaby and bloody thankful he is for his opportunity. No complacency. You could see it in his legendary tearful anthem for his debut game against Ireland in Brisbane last year. Compared to all the schoolboy starts fast tracked to Super Rugby I know who I’d have in my team, all other things being equal.

    • Nutta

      Too much time in any bubble creates group-think and other such loss of perspective and ills/frailties – especially when the purpose of the group is so fundamentally dominated by one idea in isolation (I’m drawing parallels here with all manner of myopic groups).

      Get out. Get fresh. Talk to other people. See different stuff. Get fresh ideas. It makes for a better person overall.

      • Brisneyland Local

        “Don’t be buffaloed by experts and elites. Experts often possess more data than judgment. Elites can become so inbred that they produce hemophiliacs who bleed to death as soon as they are nicked by the real world. ”
        Colin Powell

        • Nutta

          Due are you getting cerebral?

        • Brisneyland Local

          Me? Cerebral? ha ha ha ha ha ha

        • OnTheBurst

          Lucky for us, Colin didn’t get buffaloed by experts and used his judgement to great effect on Saddam’s WMDs…

          …erm…

    • Dylan Langes

      It is funny you say that because I can’t remember which ex Wallaby it was (Kearns, Horan, Kafer, Gregan or Eales) who said that players last year looked like they couldn’t think for themselves, they were so reliant on Nathan Grey running out and telling them what to do that they couldn’t think.
      My old man often compares it to a game of chess. The wallabies are told to move a certain way but when the match winning strategy doesn’t work they don’t know how to create a plan B.

      • laurence king

        The thing about chess is that your next move very much depends on your opponent’s move. A game where you truly have to play what’s in front of you.

        • Dylan Langes

          It is a skill that the Wallabies do not seem to have. “Cheika said do this move, but it didn’t work so should we try something new or keep going”

        • laurence king

          Dylan, I suspect that it’s more of a mentality that crept in during their time in Camp Wallaby. Cheika seems to be a person who very much psychologically ‘needs’ to be pleased and that has rather a stultifying effect on the team. Hence no enthusiasm and no initiative. They are playing to please Cheika and that’s kinda like wearing a straight-jacket isn’t it?

  • Ed

    Thanks for this Dylan.
    Neither SMH article about the SR teams or Castle being pissed about the training camps have mentioned who ran the sessions at that camp. It is pathetic the SMH propRAganda unit still can’t really criticise Cheika.

    As you said when this first broke, his methods are in the dinosaur age. Why should players be at match fitness in mid-January? They can’t sustain that level until October. Considering the players would have had some rest and recovery post the November tour, there is no point blasting them that soon.

    I wonder if Cheika has a chart where he wants the players’ fitness to be at set stages of the season? Or it is I just bust them, then again, and again so I can make them harder….

    • Brisneyland Local

      Definitely in the
      “We must break you!”* category.
      *Said in my best Dolph Ludgren accent.

      • Bernie Chan

        Cheika is the chief clown in this circus. Surely all players are fitted with data trackers at the very least, so the Trainer ( if he or she isn’t at the very least an Exercise Physiologist, preferably an Exercise Scientist…) knows the loads on the individuals. RA…a multimillion $ enterprise run like amateur hour…

        • Brisneyland Local

          A three Ring Circus.
          Cheika and two other assholes.

        • Funk

          …at least let Johnson and O’Connor start their tenure…

        • Brisneyland Local

          Was referring to Larkham and Grey!

        • BF

          I did hear through the grapevine, that Larkham – more often than not – did not know the starting backline until the Thursday media announcement.

          Larkham even made suggestions to backline selections and positions, and cheika’s response was: “player xxxxx is playing, you make it work”

        • Happyman

          Sounds like the 5th column at work to me.

        • Brisneyland Local

          That doesn’t surprise me. As time goes on we will hear more and more about the shit that the Ass Clown did. And none of it will be flattering.

        • laurence king

          I think that this will be his last coaching gig, no one will want him after this.

        • Adrian

          Cheika or Larkham?
          …ha ha, only joking

        • laurence king

          Unfortunately Adrian, anyone connected to the regime may have trouble getting a gig. If it was soccer, nobody would even remember who Cheika was because he would have been removed a long time ago.

        • Brisneyland Local

          Both

        • Happyman

          While some of it might be true my take on it is the Brumbies of 04 that knifed Nucifora are at play.
          Larkham, Gregan, Kafer they all have the snouts in the trough in various ways have much to lose under the new administration as anyone.
          Having said that MC was partially responsible for the way Link got shafted so what goes around comes around.

        • Brisneyland Local

          HM yeah I am starting think you are right.
          But you are definitely right about Cheika getting his just desserts.

        • Funk

          Haha..I thought you were just getting in early!!!

        • Brisneyland Local

          I at this stage have hope for them. When the first squad is announced, then I reserve my right to rain hellfire and damnation upon them.
          ;-)

        • Who?

          You’ve got that the wrong way around… You go into the first squad selection expecting to be disappointed, meaning you might get a pleasant surprise. As opposed to going in hoping for a better outcome, then coming away bitter. :-(

        • Brisneyland Local

          Glass half empty. Glass half full. I take the engineering approach. Glass twice as big as it needs to be.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          The glass can always be refilled. Especially with more red

        • Brisneyland Local

          You are a wise man!

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          I don’t think you’ll see much mate. If I was them my focus would be on post Cheika and not getting into a shit fight that would only further disrupt the squad and damage my credibility.
          Cheika will have a legacy as the worst coach ever and my primary focus would be keeping away from that

        • Brisneyland Local

          I just thought that those two new guys might put up a fight to save the fans.

        • Dylan Langes

          They are fitted with them, and they can provide so much data it is unbelievable. But it is up the EP/ES/S&C coaches to explain the data to the head coach and develop plans accordingly to maximise potential and reduce the risk of injury.

        • Ed

          Morgan Turinui made a comment re Petaia’s youth in the latest Rugby Ruckus podcast.
          Morgan said Petaia would be pushing for Wallabies if he continues in that form. A factor mentioned was whether Jordan could string together a series of games. He noted young players in Aussie Rules, League and Union could play well for 4-6 games, then their young bodies would betray them due to the increased physical demands of playing at that level.
          I remember Kevin Sheedy saying the young players in his first GWS squad would not be physically ready to cope with a full season until after three years in the system.

        • Dylan Langes

          Yeah and that’s what my concern with the Wallaby development pathway is that they push players too young in or not mentally ready for the additional pressure or game requirements.
          Good comments by Turinui though.
          AFL pathways are better than that of Rugby in my opinion, but thats because I have experience in those pathways (not as a player haha).
          Kevin Sheedy isnt necessarily the best role model for player development.

        • Ed

          Thanks Dylan.
          I am only aware of Sheedy’s broader reputation and not such details. Good to know.
          The Wallabies did show some regard to the development of BPA last year as they said it was his first full year of professional rugby, hence why he was not picked for the rest of the year. Or was it a Cheika excuse to have TPN and Latu in the squad? Who knows? (TPN did deserve his initial selection based on his form in 2017.)

        • Dylan Langes

          The conspiracy theorist in me believes it was to let Latu in, but Cheika has a history of picking players, giving them 1-4 caps then moving on, so either not letting them develop or picking them too early.
          He also has stuck in Ned Hannigan longer than he should have, Hannigan needs more time to develop as a player before the mental stress kicks in.

        • Ed

          Agree re Hanigan too, thouhg Hugh on the podcast talked up Ned’s season so far.

          I haven’t listen to the latest Fuxsports podcast but it has the Bovine Sprinkler on where he talks about that training camp.

          https://www.foxsports.com.au/rugby/wallabies/fox-rugby-podcast-nick-phipps-on-the-wallabies-controversial-preseason-camp/news-story/f8a0b968c03273bfb568789dc45910f0

          “I came back and day one we went straight into some noisy stuff (intense sprints) and I pinged my calf towards the end of the session.

          “I wasn’t the only one, I had Poey (Pocock) and Dane (Haylett-Petty) with me and then I think Adsy (Coleman) did his…”

          Any training plan I have been on – cycling – does not have me doing the equivalent of VO2 max shit on the first day after a month’s break. It builds up to that so the body can adjust to the increased training stress.

          Again another article on this camp that fails to mention who ran the bloody thing. Reports the facts instead of being a part of Cheika’s PR machine.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          That’s really interesting. Unfortunately the current crop of coaches and managers in the Wallaby’s setup don’t seem interested in learning from others

        • Dylan Langes

          Even Eddie Jones went on a fact finding mission in Australia to help the England side get better. Its sad that once again you’re right about the Wallaby set up

        • Bernie Chan

          Yeh, even some of my U16 football/soccer players wore GPS trackers (in their boots…) so you could download their game output (eg 9.5km total runs, 2.5km sprint level, 5km jogging level, 2.5km walking…)…something is seriously amiss at the player management level. Guess someone wanted to show “who’s in charge…”?

        • Dylan Langes

          Funnily enough thats what one of the articles said, was that thats what Cheika was trying to do.

      • Ed
        • Brisneyland Local

          Ah such fond memories of that movie as a late tenn growing up. But I think it was more to do with watching Bridgette Nielson.

      • GeorgiaSatellite

        Ah, Dolph. I was thinking of him on Saturday whilst watching Gareth Anscombe at 10 for the Taffs.

    • Dylan Langes

      And they didn’t even acknowledge when I broke the story two weeks ago haha

  • Kiwi rugby lover

    Thanks Dylan,

    Horses for courses for me on the way countries manage the players who go off shore. To be fair I can see a point to the desire to bring people back, however seeing as most of them went because they saw no future for them in The Wallabies I think it’s something that the new coach and the players need to have a conversation about. If there is a genuine chance then maybe they can come back and try but we all know that there is no way some of these players were ever going to make a Cheika coached team and that’s why they aren’t here now.

    • Dylan Langes

      I just look at how Cheika hung in on keeping TPN despite the fact he didn’t really offer anything special when he came back. Take that time to build a new player and if the shit hits the fan like you really don’t have anyone ready to step up then look outside.
      Its one of those things that it worked so well with Matt Giteau for the last World Cup people are hanging around expecting the same magic. But we didn’t get the magic the following year when Giteau, Mitchell and AAC all got injured

      • Who?

        Everyone says it worked well with Giteau, but… Did it? It worked in defence, but Toomua could’ve played that role (i.e. solid 12). In attack, it failed. Abysmally. Because Giteau’s natural game of crabbing and requiring straightening runners wasn’t ever fully integrated into the game plan. So we ended up crowding our wingers, dragging the drift defence across. The only try scored on the wing in the RWC with Giteau on the field (i.e. not the Uruguay game, where more than half of the tries were outside the 15m lines, with Cooper pilloried for missing kicks where he was consistently starting his run up on astro turf, something Foley didn’t have to do) was the last try in the England game, scored by… GITEAU! As in, he scored in the corner, and there was no one outside to pass it to, hence he’s effectively on the wing.
        I’m not having a dig at Gits – always liked him as a player, thought he shouldn’t have been dropped in 2011 (his game against SA in TRC outside Quade was excellent!). But he wasn’t the primary reason we made that RWC final. That was down to Brett McKay/G&GR (scrum campaign – started by McKay and then pushed on here – against England), Beale (who was in brilliant form off the bench) and Joubert.

        • Dylan Langes

          Thats a fair point. I use that as an example of the team doing well. Good analysis though

        • Who?

          I’ve been saying that for almost 4 years now, but most just wear the rose coloured glasses of a surprise RWC Final appearance. In the same way everyone talked up Foley’s performance as a perfect 10 against England and gave him MOTM, but I maintain that, whilst it was clearly Foley’s best ever game and he played pretty close to a 10, the real MOTM that day was Beale, who was just electric.
          I actually don’t mind the Giteau clause, but for RWC’s only. Because the world game slows, and you get intensive time in camp with the players from overseas. They can be made to fit better in that situation than in a normal year. But I’d prefer we didn’t need it…

        • Dylan Langes

          The sad reality is Rugby Australia have had rose coloured glasses out of that World Cup.
          We should have walked out of that loss and said that wasn’t good enough to be second, we need to do anything to get to first. But we didn’t. We went how good are we to come second.

        • Ed

          I remember reading an article in 2016 on Hooper and the world cup loss. Hooper said he hadn’t watched the final and was unlikely to do so.
          Um, how do you work out which areas from that match, ie: tactics, positional play, skills etc that need to be worked on so those errors are reduced the next time you play an opponent. Or is it the ‘we work on our stuff and the result will take care of itself” philosophy?

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          I agree mate. I don’t think he contributed anything when he got back

      • Kiwi rugby lover

        Yeah 60 tests and how ever many Super games means you’re not getting someone at the peak of their career. No matter how good they were Father Time is something no one can beat

  • Happyman

    Thanks Dylan

    I have never been a fan of the Git’s law. For mine it ends up with situations like last year where TPN and Tamooua are flying back and forward and to quote Ben Darwin it destroys cohesion. Think about Fiji if those guys played together consistantly they would be really very good.

    If White were to come back that would be great it is about time to recognise that players who go to England generally come back better and this who go to France don’t.

    Injuries happen but sift tissue injures are preventable particularly in preseason where any gains made will not be long term for mine it just shows a lack of understanding of the process.

    • Dylan Langes

      Glad to see someone else agrees that the Giteau Law doesn’t work. I really am not a fan of it.
      The injuries are more based on player loads than accidents happen. When I first wrote the story I said I believe this was part of Cheika’s old school flog them mentality. No science or loading just flog them, and four players left with the same soft tissue injury.

      • Happyman

        I think the case was put best by Ewen McKenzie when he was coach of Queensland. We need to just understand that Australia are a nett exporter of talent. The economic argument to play overseas is quite compelling. Our advantage is that good weather dictates we can produce quality players who have skills.

        We need to provide an opportunity where professionals understand that they are looked after locally and won’t be just worked into dust. Provide sabbatical opportunities where they can go to an overseas club for a season or two or take less money and have a year off in Australia.

        We also need to understand what the life cycle of a player

        Players who play from 15 to 11 should be kept on the books under no later than 30
        10 though 6 the age should be 32
        5 through 1 the age should be 35

  • Kiwi rugby lover

    In other news Latu suspended for 6 weeks. Going to be a long winter for him

    • Happyman

      Stupid player should never play for the Wallabies again. Penalty and card magnet and even worse cannot throw a lineout.

      https://www.smh.com.au/sport/rugby-union/waratahs-hooker-suspended-for-six-weeks-over-ruck-foul-play-20190226-p5108s.html

    • Who?

      Long Autumn, but straight back into the Wallabies… ;-P

      • Kiwi rugby lover

        Probably

        • Dylan Langes

          Oh he’ll start for the Wallabies haha Cheika loves him

        • Bernie Chan

          Likely…

    • Hoss

      Not saying he is innocent. But obviously the pea blower didn’t see it (thank fuck or Hayden slots 3 and it’s goodnight nurse). They must have other angles – sure as shit there ain’t nothin to see on the angles I’ve seen so far ?? Not saying he’s innocent, but where is the smoking gun ?

      • Kiwi rugby lover

        I must admit the footage was pretty crap and didn’t show anything. Must be some more elsewhere and seeing as he admitted guilt you’d think there was something there

        • Greg

          There must be more than “something” to get 6 weeks (hello Joe Moody).

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          For all his perceived faults he’s never got a 6 week ban mate

        • Greg

          exactly!

        • Dylan Langes

          I tried to watch it and couldn’t really work out what was going on

        • Andrew Luscombe

          He grabbed a red player below the knee, lifted the leg, and it twisted as the red player fell over with the weight of other players on him. Red player was lying on the ground being attended to afterwards. Quite dangerous. You can see it on the video once you know what to look for in the final collapse of the maul.

        • Adrian

          I heard that he felt guilty and admitted to something straight away

        • Brumby Runner

          How exactly do you feel you are guilty Adrian. Most likely you know you are either guilty or not, and plead accordingly.

          I can’t imagine anyone, rugby player or murderer, pleading guilty because they “feel” guilty.

        • Adrian

          Whatever

      • Adrian

        Agree Hoss

  • A Dingo Stole My Rugby

    Last year, I banned Latu from my personal future national selections, on the basis of his (1) lack of willingness/ability to rectify the terrible flaws in his breakdown and lineout work, and (2) his regular adoption of the red mist approach to his rugby. All of which were and are massive liabilities to team success.

    I see that nothing has changed to make me lift that ban.

    Yet I still fully expect that our national coach will want him in our RWC squad. Because Latu’s on-field behaviour isn’t a million miles from how Cheika used to play.

    And it’s not as if we don’t have several good quality, better-disciplined options at 2 these days.

    • Brisneyland Local

      Much better options, minus the deficits.

    • Happyman

      Some of them even exist outside NSW

    • laurence king

      That single nasty act may well have finished off his international career, don’t need players like that

  • Brendan Hume

    I feel like Bernard Foley and Michael Hooper would have been well served by having an extended break over the previous couple of seasons. Both have shown to be good players but their workloads have been extraordinary and I think it shows in their performances.

    • Brisneyland Local

      I think workload is a part of it, but for Foley it is his basic skills that suck. An international level 10 that cant kick ball in hand more than 30 m? Can only pass one way? Cant orchestrate an attack? Cant tackle?
      No amount of resting will unfuck that!

      • Dylan Langes

        But maybe it would give him the time to get his head right and work on the basic skills without ridiculous pressures. Time away could prolong some careers.

        PS Im not a Foley or Hooper fan

        • Bernie Chan

          If a player has reached Super Rugby level…the skill and technical weaknesses are pretty much set The skills acquisition phase has passed by that point…In fact (using football as an example…) the skills acquisition phase has to be done by the time players reach about 17….then it’s on to game training etc. The glaring example in the case of Foley is his place kicking technique…how no Junior coach thought to correct that ‘stab’ almost defies belief, but maybe it was good enough to win at Junior level hence there was no desire to correct it?

        • Brisneyland Local

          I would be happy happy if he went away and worked on his skills. But at the moment no one is telling him there is a problem with them.

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