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Tuesdays Rugby News sees May the Fourth is the date, Gatland to coach the Lions again, Fardy vs Skelton in the Champions Cup Final and Latu looking fit.


MAY THE FOURTH BE WITH YOU

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May the fourth should bring joy to many people as Star Wars  puns, memes and unnecessary merchandise take over for the day. Just like the Skywalker saga is coming to an end this year, one hopes that this Israel Folau saga will end on May the Fourth.

The date has been set, and the panelist have been named.

RA confirmed on Friday morning that John West QC will chair the panel with RA representative Kate Eastman SC and RUPA’s John Boultbee AM.

Justin Gleeson SC will be the council representing Rugby Australia. Gleeson previously represented Rugby Australia in defence of axing the Western Force in 2017.

RUPA’s representative John Boultbee was a member of the Code of Conduct panel back in 2014 that opted against terminating Kurtley Beale’s contract, instead fining him $45,000. 

Folau is challenging his termination on the ground of Freedom of Speech and Religious discrimination.

RA CEO Raelene Castle explained to the media that it was an issue between employee and employers and the values of the organisation.

“This is not a religious discussion,” Castle told reporters Monday afternoon.

“This is a discussion around the employee, employer relationship and the values and the contractual arrangements within that agreement, that’s on the basis on which we have served him a breach notice.”

Castle confirmed that Folau doesn’t have a social media clause written into his contract, though there was a “verbal and written” informal agreement with all players.

“Not within the contract but there was a number of meetings, documented meetings, that were put in writing, both verbally and in writing to Israel about our expectations,” Castle said.

“Yes, he agreed to them.”

Just as the prequels were a stain in the eyes of Star Wars fans, the Israel Folau saga hold similar weight to Rugby fans. Much like Star Wars fans though, let us hope that after May the Fourth, we can put the terrible saga behind us and look to a much brighter future.

GATLAND THE LION

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After two successful British and Irish Lions tours, Wales head coach Warren Gatland is expected to lead his third tour in 2021.

Englands Sunday Telegraph is claiming that the deal is done, with the contract being a formality between the parties.

Gatland lead the Lions to a 2-1 win in Australia in 2013, and a drawn series against New Zealand in 2017. He will look for the same success in 2021 against South Africa.

A senior Lions source said: “Warren is our No 1 choice. He understands the Lions and the unique challenges of touring. He has already proven his ability to put together a successful touring squad, not just in picking form players but also the right kind of personalities and characters that make the Lions so special.

“His track record with Wales speaks for itself and the brilliant thing for the Lions is that he will have no distractions in the build-up to the South Africa tour and there will also be no complications connected to hiring him from one of the unions.

“It is important that we get the deal done as quickly as possible to allow him quite rightly to concentrate fully on Wales’s World Cup preparations.”

Gatland will finish up his duties with Wales after the World Cup this year, but until then he will stay focused on continuing the success of Wales, coming off a Six Nations victory.

It is understood Gatland intends to take a year and a half off from Rugby before the Lions tour, and would then be in the running for Englands top job, after Eddie Jones’ contract runs out in 2021.

LATU FIGHTING FIT

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Tolu Latu is in line for a Super Rugby return after two months out of the game, when the Waratahs face the Sharks this weekend.

Latu was suspended for six-weeks when the Waratahs played the Sunwolves, but due to the bye rounds that was blown out to eight-weeks.

Despite a short trip to visit his family, Latu has trained fully with the Waratahs squad, not letting his suspension get in the way.

He has used this time to focus on his fitness and dropping some of the unnecessary weight. Fitness has been an issue of Latu’s over the years, with him being overlooked by Michael Cheika last year due to being unfit.

Team mate Jed Holloway doesn’t believe Latu’s is the same player he was two months ago, praising his off field work to get himself in better shape whilst being suspended.

“I think he’s at the best weight he’s been at since I’ve played with him and his skin folds are at the best as well,” he said.

“Whether he’s picked or not, I’m sure Tolu will be ready to go – he’s actually looking the best I’ve seen him look.”

Waratahs defence coach Steve Tandy believes Latu would be a handy addition to the side.

“He obviously brings a physical edge, he’s good over the ball, strong in the set piece and the scrums and a good ball carrier,” Tandy said.

“There’s loads of attributes that Tolu can add to the group which would be exciting.”

Latu has some strong competition a head of him as he looks to surpass regular started Damien Fitzpatrick and rookie Andrew Tuala to get back into the match day 23.

 

FARDY VS SKELTON

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Can’t believe I found a photo with Fardy and Skelton

It will be a massive match up for the European competition when Scott Fardy and Leinster head into their second consecutive Champions Cup final, their opponents, fellow Aussie Will Skelton and English powerhouse Saracens.

It will be a battle of key match ups of Irish and English talent, with Irish fly half Jonathan Sexton up against English fly half Owen Farrell.

Both sides host a number of Irish and English International players, in what will hopefully be a highly entertaining match for Rugby fans.  For the purists and fans of the dark arts of props,the front row battle between Tadhg Furlong and Mako Vunipola will be a spectacle.

Leinster had a strong finish against French club Toulouse in Dublin, beating them 30-12 you can read a full break down of the match here, with Saracens coming out on top of Irish club Munster, 32-16, check out the report from Rugby Pass here.. 

Australian fans will be eager to watch the de-aging of Scott Fardy take on the born again (Rugby Player not Christian) Will Skelton, with cries for both players to return to Australia falling on deaf ears. Both former Wallabies have re-signed with their respective clubs.

 

  • Nutta

    Thanks Dylan

    Good morning fellow fornicators and drinkers. Happy hangovers all.

    Warren Gatland – I look at your professional life with deep envy. You bastard.

    Latu – He’s a bit like the Aussie Dylan Hartley. Early in their careers golden opportunities presented themselves time and time again to lock down Provincial and national honours only to piss it away with ill-considered stupidity. And then the later stages of their careers attract heavy referee scrutiny given their earlier indiscretions. Thus they never realise their potential. I am the first to be held accountable for my actions and I believe-in and stand by that. But I actually feel a bit sorry for them both.

    Fardy v Skelton – yet again we see two fantastic Aussie rugby players not playing in the jerseys they should be. Sad.

    • Brisneyland Local

      Nutta, excellent points raised there. We would be mad to play Tolu in the RWC. He is a card magnet. One brain snap and we are down to 14 for ten or the rest of the game. Not worth the risk.

    • Mishad

      Agree, Latu has a temper like Jake ‘the Muss’ Heke. Hope he spent a large portion of that suspension time with the teams psych.

    • Dylan Langes

      Yeah I wouldn’t pick Latu either

    • Keith Butler

      Baring injury, Kruis and Itoje are the 1st choice locks at Sarries. Skelton came off the bench at around the 60 min mark and Itoje went to 6 I think. Not a bad replacement to bring on. The spell at Sarries has done him the world of good. Lighter and fitter and a better all round player. Don’t expect him back any time soon as Kruis and Itoje will be certainties for the RWC and the 2020 6Ns.

    • Happyman

      Latu is as dumb as a box full of hammers.

      When he plays my son and I play a drinking game. You have to neck your drink every time he does s9mething stupid or makes a mistake. Thankfully he has been coming off the bench I get too pissed when he starts.

  • juswal

    Regarding “Castle confirmed that Folau doesn’t have a social media clause written into his contract,” — I’m sure the media reported that he did, when the 2022 contract was announced last year. Of course, I can’t find contemporary reports that match my memories.

    So please disregard everything I’ve said about this issue in recent weeks. If social media restrictions are not in the contract, or in a code of conduct that’s pinned to the contract, RA will really be stretching to establish a breach.

    • Mishad

      Supposed professional journalists still reporting on the news today that he has a social media clause in his contract. Either way it won’t end well for Oz rugby, at least in the short term. If he wins, will he be played? or just paid out. If he plays hows the team culture going to come back from this? If he loses he’ll go away and become someone else’s problem no doubt. If Wallabies can go through this and still make a good showing at the WC I’ll be impressed and once again inspired by our national rugby team.

    • Brisneyland Local

      It is confirmed 100% that he has no clause in his contract. They tried to retrospectively insert it. His agent told the something to do with sex and travel.
      RA have meeting minutes of a discussion held. But with no signature on a contract RA have no leg to stand on! They are farked! And a former Supreme court justice and Head of ICAC who was questioned on the matter stated as much!

      • Ads

        Yep don’t see it ending well. Regardless of personal opinion, he has paraphrased the Bible on social media with no contract clause suggesting he refrain from doing so. I can’t see any way how RA can win. The bigger issue is the coach and some teammates have all come out publicly stating he’s gone, so the only option seems to be the payout?

        • Brisneyland Local

          Which RA cant afford. That is the principle reason they didnt fire Cheika. they couldnt afford the payout.

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          I think RA can probably afford it, even if it has to borrow the money. Wastes even more money as they will have to pay the interest off, but they can do it.

        • Brisneyland Local

          They probably could, but choose not to because it would further call into question their financial mismanagment to date.

        • Andrew Luscombe

          Maybe Qantas will fund RA to pay him to not play.

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          I don’t think illegal to discriminate in employment situations based on religious grounds in New South Wales (the only jurisdiction where this is the case).

          The main question is whether the tribunal or whatever it is called determines that Folau’s comments were uninclusive. I’d give a slight edge to RA here.

        • Ads

          I reckon he will “lose” in the tribunal but will win the court case. I think that’s probably the right outcome too.

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          On what basis do you think he will he win the court case?

          If it is not illegal to discriminate in employment based on religion in NSW then I think the case will turn on whether Folau’s tweets were non-inclusive. If the answer is that they were then he will lose the tribunal and the court will uphold the contract most likely; but if they weren’t then he will lose the tribunal and won’t need to go to the courts.

        • Who?

          It’s illegal to discriminate in employment based on religion (both holding religious belief, and also expressing that religion), and statements of a religious nature are not considered to be discrimination (even where, if they weren’t related to religion, they would be considered discriminatory). I expect his statement will be found – by the courts – not to be discriminatory or vilifying, and therefore not to have breached the code of conduct. On that basis, I expect he’ll win the court case.
          But he’ll lose the tribunal.
          And he won’t play for the Wallabies again.

        • Andrew Luscombe

          Why will he get a different result in the tribunal to a court case? It looks like a pretty well qualified bunch on the panel.

        • Who?

          Different questions and methods of measuring the requirements of the contract. The tribunal won’t consider whether or not the statements are discriminatory, whether or not he’s being sacked for his religion. They’ll just look at whether or not they consider him to have breached the code of conduct and brought the sport into disrepute. Whereas court will determine whether or not the code of conduct can take precedence over protected freedoms of religion.

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          No, I don’t think it actually is in New South Wales, at least based on my reading of the Fair Work Act (not an admitted lawyer do not legal advice, just my understanding of the act).

          S351.1 of the act says an employer can’t take adverse action against an employee for religion.

          But S351.2.A and S351.2B both seem to provide exceptions in this case.

          S351.2.A days that it isn’t illegal to do so if it’s not unlawful under antidiscrimination legislation of that jurisdiction.

          NSW is the only jurisdiction not to have legislation making religious discrimination unlawful.

          S353.2.B says it isn’t unlawful it if the discrimination is required due to the inherent requirements of the position.

          GFolau is a public figure (and actually the leading marketing tool) that is required to promote the sport to bring in sponsorship; grow the sport by creating an inclusive environment; and also protect the sport’s reputation.

          These would seem like reasons as to why the inherent requirements of his position create an exception.

          Human rights commission even says that discrimination in employment is not illegal under federal discrimination:

          https://www.humanrights.gov.au/quick-guide/12091

          There could be some common law decisions that have made terminating his contract on religious grounds illegal, but I haven’t seen any such case. Do you know of any?

          And all this only applies if Folau convinces the court he had his contract terminated due to religious discrimination. I think this will be a difficult argument to make when he has posted so many religious things with no adverse reaction. Instead, I think RA will argue that they’re terminating his employment due to him bringing the sport into disrepute, breaching the code of conduct to be inclusive and threatened the sport’s finances through bringing the game into disrepute and threats from sponsors.

          Folau has to say that this was because of his religious views AND make the court accept that this should prevent RA from terminating his contract, even though RA is reacting to the outcry against his tweet rather than the tweet himself.

        • Who?

          I don’t have common law examples, I’m going more from the articles that were linked here last week, in terms of discrimination based on religion and sexuality.
          I don’t disagree that RA will argue that it’s because he violated the code of conduct (though I’d not be confident that something which is open to interpretation would stand in court, especially as whether or not Folau’s language was considered non-inclusive is also very much open to interpretation – by which I mean, the court may rule that Folau hasn’t broken the code of conduct, that his post wasn’t non-inclusive and that bringing the game into disrepute only happened due to RA’s handling of the situation, by them saying that his language was offensive when a court may rule it otherwise) and that he’s brought the game into disrepute (which is, again, arguable, given Beale’s not been sacked in spite of a $45k fine for the same thing, then being filmed with a cocaine user – it’s incredible to think that a person expressing personal religious belief is bringing the game further into disrepute than those actions).
          .
          Costing the code money, that will be an interesting one, given the de Belin case, currently before the courts. The Storm have said they’ve lost $500k in sponsorship and had 4 prospective sponsors walk away due to the risk associated with the NRL. But there’s thought de Belin will win. If he holds his position in spite of criminal accusations and the loss of significant money from the NRL, then it will be interesting to see how it falls with Rugby.
          I don’t doubt that QANTAS will have used it to batter Rugby into submission, or that it’s QANTAS alone (I respect the way Tata acted last year in removing his car, because it wasn’t done in a manner that inflamed the situation). But whether loss of income can be used to justify his sacking, it’ll be interesting to see. I can certainly see it being justifiable for penalties (although apparently penalties in such cases are impossible to enforce in the court, if you look at the precedents with the AFL), or for a mutual ending of a contract (i.e. we’ll pay you out to walk away), but I don’t know how it would go for outright sacking.
          .
          The problem for RA is that, regardless of how they frame the code of conduct issues, it all comes down to the fact that Folau did what he’ll likely present as expressing his religion. His argument is pretty clear, that the code of conduct prevents him from practicing his religion (as I’m sure he’d argue that his tradition is strong on proselytization), therefore he’s been sacked unfairly.
          .
          I may well be wrong, he may lose at court, but I believe he’s got a better chance at court than at the tribunal.
          And either way, he won’t play here again.

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          Don’t trust most articles/people, most people are ignorant, and have ideological barrows to push. I am potentially ignorant and would be happy to be corrected on the true state of the law, but at least I have done my research and am more interested in the outcome than any particular result.

          People often assume we have much stronger legal freedoms than we do in Australia. I think this could well just be another example.

        • joy

          Our freedoms are not codified in law but they still exist and, in fact define our civilisation. We fought in many wars to defend them. As I’ve said before the erosion of freedoms are steps towards totalitarianism.

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          You may say that, and it sounds poetic, and I may agree with your final sentence.

          However, our freedoms in Australia are indeed codified in law. They’re either based on legislation or formed through common law decisions. They’re legally defined and limited.

        • joy

          Defamation legislation, a flawed anti-discriminaton act. Anything else?

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          Exactly right, I am fairly certain there are also some national security laws that limit free speech in certain circumstances.

          Whether one agrees with the anti-discrimination laws or not, those laws are currently in force.

        • Who?

          Most people think Folau’s a homophobe, most people are very black and white, when the world lives in shades of grey. I don’t doubt the article the other week (despite being from a law professor, who cited the NSW anti-discrimination act) had its own inherent biases, but I do genuinely think that the court will be much more considered in its judgement than the press. Which is why I think court is more likely to go Folau’s way than the tribunal. Because the tribunal’s about employment and RA’s position, whereas the court is more likely to consider more than just employment law.
          .
          I think you’re right that people assume our legal protections are stronger than reality.

        • Andrew Luscombe

          Bringing himself into disrepute, and bringing RA into disrepute are two different things. I don”t think they are in a contractual position to sack him for bringing himself into disrepute. By distancing themselves from his statements it could be argued that they have saved themselves from being in disrepute. There are all sorts of ways short of sacking him to save themselves from disrepute – just seeking to appears to have done the job. Imagine a finding that RA has not suffered much disrepute yet (only a bit from the Izzy supporters), and the way for RA’s disrepute to be minimised is for the panel to rule that his employment must continue so that RA has an out with the Izzy opponents, and the Izzy supporters are happy to see him playing.

          It’s an interesting point you make that RA could have contributed to Folau’s disrepute by some of the statements they have made. Perhaps in a court they will end up having to pay him damages as well as lost wages.

          I suspect that the hearing will look to a reasonable third person interpretation of Folau’s statements – not to the amount of negative stories on the internet, especially not to the exaggerated ones. Folau isn’t responsible for exaggerations on the internet or even in conventional newspapers. They could find that a reasonable third person would see Folau as unusually religious and meaning no harm, and so no disrepute caused by him, and all responsibility for any disrepute is caused by bad reporting. Can they find that an honest statement of Christianity to a general audience is disreputable – even a “fire and brimstone” one?

        • Brisneyland Local

          Just read that and Checked with a mate in NSW Attorney Generals office. It is illegal discriminate on the basis of religion in NSW. I will send through the reference shortly.

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          I’ll believe it when I see the law (either common law or legislative).

        • Brisneyland Local

          I am getting the reference sent to me tmw. Will forward it on.

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          Thanks mate

      • Greg

        Perhaps we are over-analysing…. what about he has been a complete dick? Is that enough?

        He signed a contract with known expectations. He can have whatever view he likes…. but it is not in the interest of the game, his employer, to broadcast those views. He absolutely should not be forced to say anything against his views but it is entirely reasonable that his private views are just that.

        • Brisneyland Local

          Unfortunately being a dick is not a “defined” legal term and has no standing in a court of law. Which I hope it did. Because by that definition alone we could have gotten ridden Cheika and Beale years ago.

        • Greg

          I could define it… give me a minute.

          I don’t see a happy workplace if he stays tbh.

        • Brisneyland Local

          Defining it is easy. Getting that definitiion accepted into state and commonwealth law is the hard part.
          I dont see a happy work place before the incident. The wallabies team is divided in to two camps and has been for years. the Tahs camp is full of self important fuck knuckles so more than likely unhappy too.

        • Parker

          Glad to know there’s no dick standing in a court of law.

        • Brisneyland Local

          Everytime I have been in a court of law I have seen plenty of dicks standing there! ;-)

    • ALJ

      If they need to hang their hat on a code of conduct, good luck. It would be an impressive legal performance if RA was able to convince the tribunal (or a court) that the code of conduct prevents players from expressing genuinely held religious beliefs on personal social media accounts – without expressly saying so. But, they have one of the best silks in the business, so who knows.

      Regardless, what this whole saga does show is that even though rugby has been professional for over 20 years, from a legal perspective it is still run to an absolutely amateur standard. The administrative performance of RA in (a) not having things squared away in the contract; and (b) not actually knowing what was in the contract, for their highest paid player (i.e. one of their most important contracts), wouldn’t pass muster in any Australian public company. It is embarrassing.

      And the worst part is, it is not an isolated incident. John Connolly won big a couple of years ago in his breach of contract case against the QRU, based on an oral contract. The QRU had sent him various pro forma contract documents and he repeatedly told them that they didn’t represent what had been agreed. So, nothing was signed. Completely embarrassing from a legal and administrative perspective.

      So, the administrators are being paid as professionals, but delivering an absolutely amateur product. It is letting the game down in a big way – not to mention the financial and reputational cost. Sad.

    • Happyman

      My view is it is a contracted issue with a breach of a code of conduct. One breach with a clear written warning should be enough but not having a specific social media clause is a bit stupid.

    • pod8

      “Lou Stung @loustung

      He made the comments on behalf of Israel Folau not on behalf of Rugby Australia or any other employer. If you are suggesting that someone has to forfeit their personal rights just to be employed then you are mad. I hope you are consistent too because I’ll hire a couple of p00fters and make them sign a contract that forces them to live a straight life while they’re my employees. I’m sure the left would be outraged over that type of contractual obligation aye.”

  • Crescent

    OK, I need to get this off my chest. While I am pleased that Latu has shed some kg’s and his skin folds are looking good – big deal.

    What about how he’s hitting the mark with his line out throws? How is his scrummaging? What are we doing about his brain explosions that make him a massive liability given how hotly contested the hooker position should be if we are truly selecting on merit?

    It feels like this is everything wrong with professional Aussie rugby right now. Watching the shitty gym based metrics instead of how well you can do the job your position requires.

    Screw basic ball handling, as long as your metrics stack up it’s all good. Bullshit. Start rewarding skills, rugby smarts and the gym based bullshit is the easiest part to bring to a player and requires little skill or talent. I highly doubt the lovely production line of talent across the ditch is using skin fold tests to identify the talent to develop, or using it as a metric for how well the training whilst suspended is going.

    No wonder we turn out inconsistent, underperforming teams across the board. What a farce.

    • Brisneyland Local

      Well said that man!

    • Dylan Langes

      I think it was Matt Burke that said the players today a better athletes, bigger and stronger but no where near as good of footballers.

    • Brumby Runner

      Cheika’s constant refrain is how well the player is training when he makes a questionable selection in the Wallabies. That, and how unfit certain players are when he continues to ignore form.

  • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

    Fardy vs Skelton won’t even be a competition. Fardy has outplayed him in every match they’ve played one another for their entire careers.

    • IIPA

      When Tahs beat Brumbies on the way to the trophy I seem to recall Skelton having a huge game culminating in him running thru the middle of the Brumbies for about 40m before putting Foley away.

      Your worst nightmare I guess.

      If it comes down to beards then yes Fardy has him covered.

      • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

        Nah worst nightmare is Foley outplaying Lealiifano when the teams play. Luckily, hasn’t happened since 2014-15.

        One bursting, flashy run is what Skelton was always good for. Never once provided the output over 80mins that Fardy did though.

        • IIPA

          May not have been very good to throw at to set up a rolling maul but Skelton was very adept at ruining opposition’s mauls. I am happy to accept Arnold might be ever better at it with those long arms.

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          Skelton was the professional mail destroyer.

        • adastra32

          Whatever Skelton was in Australia, he is now playing for one of the top 2 teams in Europe. They have re-shaped and remodelled him as a player. They would not have him in the team if he was not up to the level required. A European Cup final is all but a Test match (especially as it will feature most of the Ireland first XV!).

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          Sure, that’s true, but doesn’t change what I said?

        • adastra32

          Quite possibly. Certainly, Fardy is an important cog in Leinster’s wheel. At some point in the final, we will probably get to see how they perform vs. each other.

  • Andrew Luscombe

    Where did you get the idea that his defence will be based on freedom of speech and religious discrimination? Surely his best argument is that he just didn’t break the code of conduct – i.e. something like the following: issuing a general warning in the hope that people don’t meet with a negative outcome after death is not exclusionary, discriminatory, derogatory, hate speech, or anything else like that, and so not against the code of conduct.

    • joy

      Free speech is the most important unalienable human right by which an individual defends all the other human rights. It should not be watered down or extinguished by a contract of employment or even an act of parliament. RA should acknowledge they have it wrong and reinforce that individuals in their employ are entitled to express their views providing they refrain from hate speech or inciting violence. This is the only honourable way out of this mess for all parties. Anything less is a step towards totalitarianism.

      • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

        Every single employment contract “waters down free speech,” if you’re going to use the term like that. I suspect you can’t public material criticising your boss or work, and Commonwealth employees can’t criticise the Government, for example.

        • joy

          I’m not familiar with these modern day employment contracts but it appears they have some pretty draconian clauses in them.

          Even so I don’t think an Australian government would sack an employee for quoting the bible or any other holy book. Surely not while they’re still reciting the Lord’s Prayer in parliament.

          I wouldn’t want to be known as a boss that couldn’t handle reasonable criticism, in government or otherwise. I wouldn’t want to work for one either. Published criticism is another matter.

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          If the Ambassador to, for example, Saudi Arabia started tweeting parts publishing that you had to convert to Christianity or you would go to hell, he may be removed.

          Equally, I imagine if the Ambassador to Ireland started tweeting what Folau did, it may, given Ireland’s PM is gay.

          Like Folau, they’re public figures, not innocuous employees.

        • joy

          Imagine how offended Reverend William Web Ellis and those of the Christian school Rugby would be if they were still with us today?

        • Greg

          By a person who doesn’t honour agreements? or ?

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          The world certainly has changed.

        • GeorgiaSatellite

          Your last sentence is telling, Joy. He knew what the expectations were and still signed on for more.

        • joy

          What criticism of RA did Folau publish?

        • GeorgiaSatellite

          Unless I’m mistaken, it appears you added a sentence to the post. In that case, I was referring to the second-last and not the last. i.e. not wanting to work for someone whose values you don’t share.

      • From NooZealand

        WOW! you and Andrew L, would be good counselors to RUPA.

    • From NooZealand

      I like your reasoning.

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