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Tuesday’s Rugby News sees Phipps takes a shot at Folau, Waratahs finally rest players, Dan Carter: The movie and Retallick back for the Chiefs.


 

 

PHIPPS BLAMES FOLAU 

Kurtley Beale, Nick Phipps, Karmichael Hunt Waratahs v Rebels 2019 (Credit Keith McInnes)

With his foot out the door, departing Waratahs scrumhalf Nick Phipps has taken the chance to have a shot at former team mate Israel Folau, calling him out as a factor the Waratahs missed the finals.

Saturday night was Phipps’ last home game in New South Wales, along with Sekope Kepu and Curtis Rona, all who will depart for the London Irish.

Like all good adults though, Phipps isn’t angry with Folau, he’s just really disappointed by his behaviour.

“Disappointed in the way way he decided to reflect those views. He can have those views, that’s fine, everyone’s allowed to have their own opinions,” Phipps said.

“It’s not something that the majority of us share but the way that it came out and the way that it’s happened twice now is disappointing.

“We wanted to be making finals at the Waratahs this year and we haven’t really been given that opportunity to make it.”

Phipps went on to call out Folau on going into hiding after his instagram post condemning many different types of people to hell, a move that Phipps believes left his teammates to face the music for.

“It’s disappointing because the players that haven’t been involved in this are still so on trial. There’s no right side to be sitting on, apparently, everyone’s got an opinion about it,” he said.

“There are players very close to Izzy who are very Christian as well and that’s tough for them to understand and it’s tough for us as well.

“When you’re on the road doing battle every week, it’s a very tight-knit group and then when one of your own – who you love and respect, every single day train with, work hard with – [does this], it’s very distracting and sad.”

Phipps offers an honest assessment of the situation, stating it is a distraction and it has hurt the team and the game. The Waratahs have lost five of their eight matches since the Folau saga began, something that Phipps isn’t using as an excuse but relatiscally see the impact it has had on the playing group.

“I’m extremely disappointed in the stance (Folau) has taken but it’s obviously something that’s very important to him and I can’t speak for the rest of the group. But there’s a lot of players disappointed in the way it’s all gone down,” he said.

“It’s something that’s distracted us from our goal this year to be making finals and it’s disappointing that I’m watching the game that I love be picked apart for the last eight months.

“There’s so many good stories out there about rugby union and we’re not getting to talk about them.”

WARATAHS FINALLY REST PLAYERS

Waratahs v Sharks 2019 1st half

The Waratahs can still make the finals, but they need a bonus point victory against the Highlanders in Invercargill and several other teams to lose. As Lloyd Christmas would say “So you’re telling me there’s a chance.” 

Despite the mathematical chance of making the finals, the Waratahs have finally done what every other Australian team has had to do and rest their Wallabies.

It means Michael Hooper, Rob Simmons, Sekope Kepu, Bernard Foley and Kurtley Beale will all likely miss the match in Invercargill on Friday.

This move has avoided what was likely to be a very embarrassing situation for Rugby Australia and NSW Rugby, in which RA would have to chose to enforce the rule that all the other Super Teams have followed, or let the Waratahs do what they want.

Waratahs assistant coach Steve Tandy confirmed that they would indeed be resting players, giving some of the younger guys a chance to step up.

“It’s an opportunity for boys to come in and really represent what we stand for, and continue how we’ve gone through the season, making sure we fight for every minute we play,” Randy said.

“It’s massive for us (to finish with a win) and it will tell you a lot about what we are, we’re going to rest a few boys but it’s exciting.

“It’s going to be wet and windy so it’s a good test of character because we’re going to go there with some young boys coming in. I’m pretty excited as a coach to see those boys bar up in Invercargill.”

Ned Hanigan is expected to make his return, with NSW saying goodbye to Nick Phipps and Curtis Rona. Last weekend could be the final time a few more players pulled on the sky blue jersey, with some of the high profiled Waratahs yet to sign on for next season.

“We’re losing some senior guys who have been unbelievable for the club, so there’s some big shoes to fill but I’ve got no doubt we’ve got some young guys ready to step and take their place,” Tandy said.

“Some boys have been waiting in the wings … and this weekend it will be a great opportunity to see these guys play, and that experience will lead them onto next year.”

DAN CARTER: THE MOVIE

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There is no denying the talent and class of Dan Carter, so much so that a movie has been made about the man, the myth, the legend.

Though there has been much disappointment that it won’t be directed by the hottest director in New Zealand at the moment, Taika Waititi, due to he was busy working for Marvel.

“Excited to share with you guys about a project I’ve been working on over the past 12 months,” Carter posted on Facebook.

“A film will be coming out which gives a deep insight into my personal life, my career and particularly my challenging road to the 2015 Rugby World Cup. It will be in cinemas in New Zealand on August 29 and I’ll be sure to share the details for my international friends soon! Official title and trailer to come.”

Director Luke Mellows commented on the project: “A number of the people we spoke to during filming said the same thing – the public have seen a lot of Dan, but very few feel like they know the real Dan Carter. I think Dan has overcome a lot more than people realise. Seeing the sacrifices he’s made makes you further appreciate the remarkable things he has achieved over the course of his career.”

Rialto, who are distributing the film in New Zealand and Australia, expect significant interest from local audiences.

“Dan Carter is one of New Zealand’s few sporting stars who is recognised globally,” said Rialto CEO Kelly Rogers. “With the 2019 Rugby World Cup starting later that month we think the New Zealand public, particularly rugby fans, will be excited to see the inside story of one of the greats of the game.”

Carter is not the first All Black to be the feature of a film, in fact he’s the third. After the 2015 World Cup, a similar styled film called Chasing Great was released about Richie McCaw. 

Stephen Donals, the man who stepped up for New Zealand in 2011 when Carter was ruled out of the World Cup also has a movie credit too his name. His story was made into a TV movie called The Kick.

What do you think Green and Gold fans, which Wallaby should have a movie made about them? There are a few good options out there but the correct answer is David Pocock.

 

RETALLICK IS BACK

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Good news for Chiefs fans, bad news for Rebels fans. Brodie “I believe that’s Mr Gilmores” Retallick is back for the last round of the Super Season.

Having declared himself fit to play the test lock has his goal set at spoiling the Rebels chance at the finals.

“It’s about time, eh,” said Retallick, following the team’s training session on Monday.

“It’s been a long eight weeks. I’m definitely excited to get back out there against the Rebels.

“It was quite tough watching, especially if we didn’t get the result.”

The 2014 World Rugby Player of the Year has been sidelined with a wrist injury for two months, with the big man making the most of his time off, focusing on his fitness and mental game before the World Cup.

“The eight weeks I used pretty well and got extremely fit and could kind of mentally check out, so I’ve tried to use it as best I could,” he said.

“(It) has kind of been good in hindsight, especially around my fitness and my body and stuff like that. I don’t think fitness should be an issue, thanks to the trainers here, I’ve just been running up and down the sideline.”

The Rebels will look to put the past behind them as they look to make finals for the first time in the clubs history, and will welcome back Will Genia and four of their regular starters into the squad.

 

  • Custard Taht

    Well Mr Phipps, good teams overcome adversity, they don’t use it as an excuse, reference the Crusaders.

    If the Tahs perform some honest and open self reflection, they will see there are some very big and very obvious deficiencies in the roster, coaching, skills and execution. But sure, lets blame one player out of 23 with skill and work rate deficiencies.

    • Who?

      The irony of it all is that Cheika – being the king of the siege mentality – would clearly have used it to advantage.

      • Custard Taht

        Oh yeah, never know, it might work, as long as there aren’t too many tahs in the wallabies, as clearly it has been the cause of all that ills them….either that or Phipps has handed him a ready made excuse.

        • Who?

          I don’t think Cheika can use it nearly as effectively for the Wallabies, because it’s too far removed (in time, not personnel). But if he’d been Tahs coach, he’d have made hay with it.

  • Brisneyland Local

    Well GAGR’s honestly I tried to stay positive. But a man can only be pushed so far.
    – Phipps you dumb shit shut the fuck up. The whole team has to own that poor performance and the whole season. Dumping it in Izzy’s lap is the lamest excuse and just shows that you nor most of your teams understand the concept of performing well.
    – The Rebs tanked a game and there is no wine up. I must admit I understand the strategy but don’t like it. It is all on black now boys.
    – Great effort from the Brumbies. There is our Wallaby front row.
    – Izzy and the path of jurisprudence. This is a cluster fuck of the highest order. No won one is going to win out of this one. And the smartest thing RA can do is to make sure this never sees the inside of a court room. To lose will be utterly embarrassing. And to win, will schism a lot of players. Either way the outcome is not good. RA are not renowned for good decision making. And the media campaign they are mounting is just fucking stupid. Finish this up quick and quietly and move on.
    The rugby championship / tests are coming. Time to start wondering what Cheika’s crap selections are going to be this year. Over to you GAGR’s

    • Dud Roodt

      You were doing so well up to now BLL! It was KRL who took the mantle of the negative nelly in your short lived haze of optimism and positivity.

      That Rebs performance was woeful. Even resting players shouldn’t lead to that level of demolition. I’m starting to question Wessels which is a shame.

      For mine the Brumbies should make up the vast majority of the Wallaby forward pack/bench forwards. They’re a very good unit. No Tah should be near the front 5, except maybe Fitzpatrick on the bench or thereabouts.

      I think their supposed shot at brokering a deal was RA’s attempt to wind this up as quickly and painlessly as possible. It doesn’t appear Folau is up for it, so to the courts it will go.

      • Brisneyland Local

        Believe it or not it was Kafe’s Dribble the other day followed by Phipps that has got me negative again.
        Yep I wonder what is happening in Melb. Players were not in a good head space during that game.
        Yep tight 5 is definitely an all Brumbies affair. But that would be too logical so who knows what Cheika will pick.

        • Custard Taht

          Don’t worry about it, Newtowns 1st and 3rd Law made it inevitable you would fall off the wagon.

          Phipps upset law 1, by saying something stupid and applying an external force to an object in motion.
          Then the 3rd law leaves you with no other option then to act with an equal and opposite force.

          So, really like the Tahs, it is not your fault, it is the fault of the actions of one man.

        • Brisneyland Local

          Touche

        • IIPA

          Dud Roodt called it like it was re the Rebels… woeful.

          You saved your main rant for Phipps when it should be your team copping it cos that was bloody dreadful… even with Ruru and Toomua in that was still a strong team.

          Back to Phipps… hold up, he didn’t blame Folau just said it was a distraction and didn’t help. I actually think it was a pretty candid assessment that he fucked his team-mates over big time.

      • Who?

        Returning Genia and Cooper will fix the defence for the Rebels………
        :-(
        .
        You wouldn’t have Kepu near the tight five? Or (I know it’s not fashionable to like him on G&GR, but…) Simmons..? If you want a linking tight five game plan, then he’d be more than handy (along with Arnold, who’s got to be first choice lock right now).

        • Dud Roodt

          Haha indeed.

          I would perhaps have Kepu in the squad as an older head, but I really don’t think he’s up to it anymore, and especially not so many games in such a short time (although let’s face it, it’s going to be probably 4 games then he can go home).
          Re Simmons, I’ve never been a fan, and him joining the Tahs has not convinced me otherwise. Whenever I watch him play, I like to go on a bit of RobCam and just follow him around. He is, in my opinion, and absolute pedestrian. He’s a big one for nearly getting to the action on time, he also fucks up and inordinate amount of times with ball in hand. He’s a giant and tackles like a midget.
          I understand he’s technically very proficient, but I just can’t get over the feeling that we’re a man down in attack and defence when he’s on the pitch.

        • Who?

          Some of Simmons’ handling the last couple of years (in Blue) has been quite impressive. I haven’t had a chance to watch last weekend, but things like the way he shifted the point of attack on the first phase after the kick off against the Rebels, no other Australian lock has the skill to do that.
          Where Simmons tends to mess up with ball in hand is when he’s on a hard line in attack into the teeth of the defence. He’s pretty clearly more the Matfield role than the Bakkies role (i.e. he’s the linking second man in a lock pairing, he’s absolutely never going to be the hard lead man).
          Kepu, even if it’s 7 games (somehow!), I don’t think he’d play all the games anyway. I think he’d be there for Uruguay and Fiji, and that may well be it. One game at LHP (maybe starting that one – Uruguay? Tupou starting at THP for that one), one at THP (Fiji), take some minutes away from guys who are going to play big minutes all the way through. And be that mentor.

        • Brumby Runner

          Best analysis I’ve seen DR.

      • Kiwi rugby lover

        I’m not sure I’m negative so much as realistic, however I do wonder about the headspace of that team as to me it seems as though there are issues up top more than with the physical skills and applications

        • Dud Roodt

          No I get you. We’re all negative here because look what we’re faced with. You do manage to bring your feelings on Cheika into every day though – which is admirable!

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Hahahaha, you know part of me loves him because he’s good for my ABs but as the Wallabies are my second team and I really want them to do well he mostly shits me to tears. As mush as I hate it at the time, losing to the Wallabies does provide more long term benefits for NZ than winning every game and I hope that once he’s gone you’ll get a real coach who provides some good opposition again.

    • Funk

      My guess is: Cheika’s crap selections this year will be very similar to his crap selection last year, and the year before that, and the year before that….

      • Brisneyland Local

        Spot on

        • Funk

          Hopefully Johnson and O’Connor can push for some changes…

        • Brisneyland Local

          Or they are just riding it out til post World Cup to pick up the pieces

        • Funk

          I’m not expecting miracles, but they are employed as part of a selection panel, so they just need to do their job and push Cheik to select players who are in form on the paddock, not players who are “training the house down”

        • Brisneyland Local

          100% agree. The question is whether Cheika will listen.

        • Andy

          If Johnson’s personality is anything to go by it will be “listen or fuck off” which is a good thing.

          Apparently Cheika will provide them the game plan/s and they will select the players accordingly. That’s fills me with some confidence that certain players simply won’t fit despite the coaches tendencies. I.e Hanigan. Not sure what game plan he could actually fit into above any player available

        • Brisneyland Local

          Let’s hope so

      • AllyOz

        I bet he doesn’t pick Izzy out of position this year so that is potentially one improvement

    • Ed

      We still have not heard who the new “attack” coach is, whose job will be to just implement Cheika’s new strategy (or will it be a rehash of what he has done?)
      I know there is the odd poster here who feels Cheika just has to be himself and we will be better. Can’t see it myself.

      • Brisneyland Local

        Yep. To be honest the no forwards coach worries me more than the whole Izzy thing. What are RA doing?

      • Who?

        It’s pretty clear the new attack coach’s job will be to make sure that everyone’s doing exactly what Cheika has planned out. The coach won’t be expected to contribute anything, just to ensure that everyone’s intensely enjoying their training. :-P
        Oh, and it’s a new plan, Phipps said so.

      • Kiwi rugby lover

        Yeah it’ll be interesting to see this pan out. To some extent, not having one as “there’s no one to coach at the moment” as Cheika himself pointed out is fair, however for Phipps to come out and say they have a new attacking plan but with no coach to modify or implement it seems a bit strange. I actually wonder who would be willing to tie themselves, and their future coaching prospects, to Cheika. I’m not sure I’d be willing to do that

        • Brumby Runner

          The real pity is that the players will have to tie themselves to Cheika’s plan, and it won’t be an excuse that they don’t understand his instructions.

    • Kiwi rugby lover

      Hahaha morning mate. Well I think it’s positively fucked so that’s a way to stay positive about it. Big weekend coming up and the most likely outcome is that there are 3 NZ teams, 1 Aus team and 4 from the SA conference in the finals. All those close games and topsy turvy results in SA have actually helped keep all the teams in contention. Weird isn’t it. To be fair I can see the Rebels stepping up into a win with their nuts on the line so maybe 3, 2 and 3 is a good possibility, although it’ll be hard with the Chiefs hitting their straps and Retallick playing again.

      I think the selections this year will be interesting, I still think both O’Connor and Johnson will be looking more to 2020 and beyond and leaving a lot to Cheika so as to not be tarnished with his brush as much as they can. Some of their comments about the coach getting his team and all that point to me as though they know they can’t do much this year and have to wait until he’s gone. TBH I’m on their side, I think a coach has to be allowed to pick his team, he just needs to be accountable for the results and that’s the bit that’s missing at the moment. No point in raising any shit fights when there’s only a few months left until he’s gone anyway and I can just see the post match where Cheika says if he was allowed to pick his team things would have been different.

      • idiot savant

        But the whole reason the selectors were appointed was to provide some check and balance to Cheika’s selections, which had contributed to the worst run of any Australian coach in the modern era. They weren’t appointed to help any future coach, so if they dont have any impact on Cheika’s team its just a colossal waste of money. And if Cheika goes at the end of the year, we may have a situation where the new coach will have lead in his saddlebags. Rugby in this country….

        • Bernie Chan

          RA and wasting money…who’d have thought…

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Mate I agree it’s just that I get the feeling that like a lot of people, they know Cheika is a bit of a close hold power freak and that he will fight hard for his way. I’m not sure they see getting into a shit fight with him in the last few months of his tenure as being good for the Wallabies or RA

        • Brumby Runner

          They will do a lot of harm to their respective reputations if they don’t flex their selection muscles and Cheika persists with his light blue favourites. It would be a better outcome if they do pull rank and Cheika elects to sit on the sideline for TRC and RWC in a fit of spite.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          I’m not so sure anything like that will be in RA’s best interests. I think a public running battle between the Coach and 2 selectors will hurt rugby as much as the Folau situation has done. Look I’m sure there will be questions asked but if push comes to shove I think Cheika will get his way

        • I think it could be a better outcome for the actual team, probably, how far they get through the tournament, if Cheika sulks and takes his toys home during TRC. One of the selectors, (probably Johnson) agrees to coach in an emergency and takes a team selected pragmatically on a mix of form and experience through to the RWC.

          Whether in a more strategic view that’s better for RA and, as a separate thing, rugby in Australia, is a different thing. I can argue the case both ways. Johnson doesn’t have the time with the team but shakes things up, and they respond well to a new coach, new faces in the right places and reach the semis. This papers over the cracks but invigorates the fans back home. Lose for a real shakeup of RA’s structures but win for the fans and possibly revenues. Possibly a win for getting a name coach going forward.

          Alternatively, Australia still get shown up by a Wales side that live up to the #3 ranking, simply because they don’t have the experience face a tough QF and crash out. RA actually stops and looks hard at itself and properly structures itself as a professional body with a national feeder competition under SR, a well-balanced set of SR franchises that are competitive and a decent on-going coach. Results tick up from the 40% mark to the 60% mark and the casual fans start to come back. Well, a girl can dream…

        • From NooZealand

          Thank you Eloise. Brought me some hope and yes, we can all dream.

        • Brumby Runner

          My thoughts as well IS. You beat me to the punch.

      • Keith Butler

        Could not see a win for the Rebs even with Retallick missing. He is class and will be able to disrupt the Rebs attacking platform from the line out.

      • Brisneyland Local

        Oh yep!

      • Brumby Runner

        That all makes a lot of sense KRL, except that the Selection Panel was brought in to oversee Cheika, not the next Wallaby coach, whoever that might be. As you say, it is preferable that the coach gets the team he wants and to be accountable for the results. That was never the case with Cheika, but the run of years of poor results meant RA had to do something and that something was the SP rather than sacking Cheika when that would have been the right course to take.

        Just who will put their hands up for coach next year if they are beholden to a Selection Panel? Probably not one of the top coaches world-wide whom we should be pursuing.

    • Bernie Chan

      Alas…I don’t think the RC or Tests will save us…The pain Krusty will inflict on us will exceed what we are feeling now.
      KRL mentioned “accountability”…there appears to be none, as only McKellar has done a half decent job. BT/Gibson/Wessels are get a “fail” and Krusty’s entire (excluding the very lucky 2015 RWC semi final finish…forget who the Ref was that robbed the Scots…) time as Wallas coach has also been a “fail”.

      • Brisneyland Local

        BC as the season closes it apppears uglier each day.

        • Bernie Chan

          I hope (but’s all it is…a “hope”…) our guys do well at the RWC, but I don’t think we can win it…If our best 23 is chosen in their best positions, then just maybe we have a “sniff”…
          Maybe this RWC will be a nadir for Oz rugby and we can see the game reset, but sadly I don’t think this can happen while the current clique runs RA (and its supporting actors…). People that administer successful organisations or companies must wonder how this level of maladministration is even possible.
          To pinch a line from QE11…it has been “an annus horribilis”…

        • Brisneyland Local

          Yes. actually it has been a horrible few years. Everytime we get a sniff of hope, an ass kicking occurs!

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          The thing is mate, over the last 5 years if the best 23 had been on the field in their best position with a decent game plan and a leadership group that could change tactics on the fly as the game progressed then you’d already be much better than just a sniff.

        • Bernie Chan

          Yep…and I think that’s what hurts the most, knowing we could have been so much better…

    • Cheika’s selections will be lots of Tarts. Their inability to reach the finals, barring a miracle, will be put down, per Phipps, to the disruption caused by Izzy, and anyway they know the systems.

      Anyone with half an eye would not be picking many of them. The Ass Clown will shout down the nay-sayers by claiming experience over form. Hell, I even used that line to say I’d pick Hooper to back up Pocock over the (IMO better) young turks at seven. Of course if I had my way, I’d have given them a look last year so we wouldn’t be in this boat.

      • Brisneyland Local

        Very true

    • Fully agree. Entire Brumbies front row with Slipper or Allatoa on the bench and the other running on.
      In fact most of the pack and most of the backs should be Brumbies IF the Selectors pick the team on form.

      • Brisneyland Local

        Very true, but we will see how much influence the selection panel has

  • Dud Roodt

    While I don’t disagree with anything Phipps said – as Custard Taht pointed out, one lemon shouldn’t sour the whole team. If they were wso reliant on Folau, the team was too weak to challenge for a finals spot anyway.
    And boy have they been a weak, frustrating team to support this year. Feels like since 2015 they’ve slowly been regressing back to the bad old days of Tah performances.

    • Who?

      Different old days though – 2012 Tahs were stodgy, 2019 Tahs defence was ok (mostly – not too many blowout losses), they could score some points in the backs, just their forwards weren’t big/hard enough. Not enough ‘tight’ in the tight five. Whereas the 2012 Tahs felt like they were tight five players all the way to 12 (Carter?)!

      • Dud Roodt

        Very accurate analysis. They were stodgy to the point of making you want to slit your wrists. Completely devoid of imagination. The Hickey era will stand out as one of the worst (but in fairly good company)

        • Bernie Chan

          We still have recurring nightmares from the Eddie Jones period up here…you guys are getting off lightly!

        • Dud Roodt

          I feel like that’s comparing which battle you took part in in the Vietnam War. They were all horrific and all have left us waking up in the middle of the night sweating at one time or another.

        • Bernie Chan

          You’re right…all horrific and only relative to where we sit as supporters…

        • Dud Roodt

          The stages of mental anguish we go through as supporters definitely follow the same formula (at least for me);

          1. unwavering support
          2. refuse to believe the rot is setting in
          3. “fuck, that was bad, but just a blip”
          4. “…..fuck…”
          5. “this is fucked, things need to change, right now!”
          6. Apathy

          Apathy is the worst.

        • Bernie Chan

          I think that apathy almost has me in a choke hold…

        • Brumby Runner

          And apathy is caused by nothing being done to change things. Have also seen the formula in effect at Wallaby level.

    • Andy

      I agree with most of his points. But he can’t completely blame everything on the Folau situation. They were shit before he decided to be a selfish knob. And quite frankly, I don’t want to hear from Nick Phipps.

      I must say I really feel for Gordon. Easily a more talented player and was having a really good run until he got demoted when Phipps returned. No doubt that was at the request of the national body who wanted him prepared for the World Cup even though he never deserved to make it. As a result Gordon has recently been playing a lot less and it is eveident his form has waned. So no chance of a World Cup place for him.

      • Dud Roodt

        I agree.

        I think he should have stayed behind Gordon at 9. There was absolutely no reason to demote Gordon based on form, or any other metric.

        It would be interesting to know if it was from RA that request – as they seemed to effectively ignore the deal to rest players until their place in the finals was all but extinguished.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          I doubt RA requested it because they’ve thumbed their nose at RA on everything else. I think Gibson just sees Phipps as better

  • Mart

    Last roll of the dice, a big win is a must and they’re resting players…Maybe not managed the best that one

    • Brumby Runner

      Gibson played them all last week against the Brumbies so they could enhance their prospects of being selected as Wallabies. Sort of back fired, that strategy.

      • Mart

        In retrospect would have been a good year to give the back up 10 a few runs!?!

        • Dud Roodt

          There’s a back up 10 now?! Since when?!

    • Custard Taht

      The Tahs are done even if they win. The winner of the Rebs v Chiefs will keep the Tahs out of the finals.

      • Keith Butler

        Just having a look at the conference ladders and it seems to me that whoever wins this game qualifying for the 8th spot will depend on the results of the two games between the SA teams. Could be a case of slide rules at dawn.

        • Custard Taht

          The chiefs need a win and a sharkies loss, the rebs just need a win and for the sharks to either lose or not get a bonus point win.

        • Keith Butler

          Just sweeping up my brain after it exploded trying to work out all the permutations. Think I’ll wait til after the game on Friday to assess the damage.

        • Hannes En Brianda Barnard

          May be better not to make the 8th spot and play a well rested Crusaders team in Christchurch

        • Keith Butler

          Couldn’t be any worse than last Saturday’s effort but you’re probably right. Chiefs v Crusaders would be a different ball game.

    • Keith Butler

      Call me a cynic if you like but I wonder if Gibson would be resting players if the Tahs had beaten the Brumbies and were sitting on 34 or 35 points with one to play. I think not.

  • Yowie

    What do you think Green and Gold fans, which Wallaby should have a movie made about them?

    “Matt Dunning – Kick For Glory”

    I can imagine the climax of the film in slow-motion with a Hans Zimmer soundtrack

    • Kiwi rugby lover

      That’s gold mate

    • Dud Roodt

      Culminating with the hands on the heads and grimaced face like he was in a cartoon. It was classic.

      • Yowie

        Flashback to junior rugby, young Matt getting chewed-out by a sadistic coach

        “You’re a prop Matt. It’s all you’re ever going to achieve. You’re not good enough to kick a drop-goal.”

        *young Matt gazes at the goal posts with a look on his face that says “one day”*

        • Dud Roodt

          “I’ll prove you wrong… you just watch…”

          Then an 80’s montage ensues of Dunning religiously practicing drop goals for hours after training. The montage takes us through his formative years.

          incredible casting has Uter from The Simpsons playing Dunning ages 8-12, followed by Augustus Gloop 12-15, Ham Porter from The Sandlot Kids 15-18 then Chris Farley takes over in the performance of a life(ish)time

        • Yowie

          Needs a counter-montage of Matt Burke as an Ivan Drago type opponent – practising his kicks with the aid of the best sports science available to the USSR NSW.

        • Dud Roodt

          …Did… did we just write a future Oscar winning movie script?

          I’ll take it to Netflix right away

        • Yowie

          Netflix will only go for it if we can sign up Bryan Brown as coach Bob Dwyer

        • Greg

          a modest contribution……

          How do you feel, when you scrum it down with only 5 to go?
          How do you feel, when your head goes back past where your bum should be?
          How do you feel, on the bottom of the ruck when the ref looks the other way?
          How do you feel, with only a minute left upon the clock?
          How do you feel, when the mist descends and you lose your block?
          I feel like a drop goal, I feel like a drop goal, I feel like a drop kick… that’s me…..
          I feel like a drop kick…

    • James Pettifer

      I love the one where the Blues have about 7 or 8 players lined up against 1 Waratah – Matt Dunning – who reads the pass and intercepts.
      https://youtu.be/fxKjE0UdgbA?t=105

      • Yowie

        That’s pretty awesome, although slow-motion of a prop running can be a bit cruel.

        • Moz

          I don’t think it was in slow-motion. He’s just not that fast. I always thought that the test to see if a prop was walking, jogging or running was just to look at the expression on his face!

        • Yowie

          haha, love it

        • James Pettifer

          Greatest moment in rugby

      • Who?

        Not intercepting many things these days other than cheeseburgers and schooners – obviously that changed!!! Or was the intercept segment more recent than the gym shots?

      • Keith Butler

        Some classics. Dunning was probably thinking wtf do I do now.

    • John Eales. Winning record over the ABS as a player and as Captain.

  • Kiwi rugby lover

    Thanks Dylan,

    Not sure that the Tahs can really blame Folau for all their issues, I mean it’s not like before this happened they were sitting on top of any tables anyway. TBH it comes across as more of a whinge and a cry than anything. I think some of the players and coaching staff need to really look at themselves in the mirror and answer some honest questions. As far as locking Gibson in for another year, well that just seems a bit premature to me as I think the head coach needs to be accountable for the results and over the last 4 years these have been pretty poor. Yes they made the finals a couple of times, but only because of the conference system, if the finals had been based on points only there’s no way they would have had home games.

    Great to see Retallick back, he’s someone we need on top of his game going into RWC and getting some game time before the RC and leading into the tournament is a must.

    So if the Tahs do pick up a win and a bonus point and then make the finals with the second string players playing better than the first string, will Gibson bring back the perennial high profile losers, or will he keep with the players who got him there? Interesting but TBH I don’t think it’ll be a question anyone needs to answer as I can’t see them beating the Highlanders let alone beating them and getting a bonus point AND the other games falling their way.

    The Dan Carter movie could be interesting but I might wait for the book lol.

    • Yowie

      or Dan Carter….The Musical!

    • Hoss

      Offside Story.

  • formerflanker

    A movie about “Weary” Dunlop is a must. David Pocock is still in the developmental stage of his life’s achievements – it’s too early for him.

    • Gun

      Good one, Weary is a genuine hero, not just a footy player. In that vein I’d nominate Stan Bisset another Victorian who played for the Wallabies and fought with his brother on the Kokoda track during WW2.

      • Parker

        My mate and I wrote a treatment and made a pitch for a film (or three part telemovie) about Cecil Ramalli, Wallaby halfback and survivor of the bombing of Hiroshima, where he was a POW. Couldn’t get any traction. Oh did I mention he was the first indigenous Wallaby.

        • Gun

          Good one. Hard to make a movie in Oz. My younger bro is a film director.

  • Missing Link

    Bloody hell the Rebels frustrate me. They arguably have the best list in the conference on paper, they have a coach who is arguably a possible future wallaby coach. They start off the season on the right foot, beating the Brumbies twice, have a few bad games in SA (should have beaten the Lions), lost 2 games against the Waratahs (without Folau) they should have won, and then put in the most limp dicked effort against the Crusaders. Admit the Crusaders are next level, but when a team pantses you by constantly offloading or kicking 1st phase ball wide to a winger who scores untouched, then you have to start asking yourself serious questions, right?
    Not only is/was their defence non existent, their attack lacked punch up the middle, for want of trying, blokes like Philip and Naisirani had a crack but weren’t successful and the backs didn’t do anything flash either. Hodge had one of the worst games of rugby I’ve ever seen him play and Toomua is shaping up to be the fizzer signing of the year. He’s supposed to be a Wallaby lock in, yet still on northern hemisphere time.

    last game of the season at home against the Chiefs who have been inconsistent… They’ll probably pick Debreczeni at 10 who will have a blinder, just to rub salt into the wounds.

    Looks like another year with 1 Aus team representing us in the finals…. go the Brumbies!

    • Who?

      That tendency to give away points on first phase out wide is something that bit the Rebels against the Tahs (in the first 5 minutes!), against the Hurricanes (in the first 20 minutes)… It’s an issue with their defensive system and the shuffling of their backline. I missed the weekend’s game, but perhaps Tom English’s efforts in defence have been undervalued..? Because their defence feels more brittle and shows more midfield misreads as the season’s progressed, and as Tom’s spent more and more time on the bench or the wing..?

    • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

      I don’t think the Rebels’ tight 5 are good enough and I don’t think their back row is strong enough at the breakdown. Neither Jones or Naisarani are strong there, so I wouldn’t pick both in a Wallaby back row.

      • Brian Ko

        I would agree with this. Philips for all his good intent is error ridden and lacks the punch in attack for someone of his size and athleticism. I like Hardwick, although he’s not outstanding, he’s definitely hard working and it’s kind of the same with Cottrell. Cottrell just seems to flail about at the breakdown or has done something to cause the ref to blow his whistle. The back line also appears to lack the ability to get over the gain line … hodge makes too many errors and haylett petty is starting to show his age and looks pedestrian. Quade needs to form a better relationship with his wingers like he did with Digby Ioane and look to the inside or just get more variation. He was on for all of 5-10mins against the Crusaders, by then the game was over…well it was over at half time..but hopefully that puts to bed the potential #10 challenge with Toomua

    • Keith Butler

      The Rebs have been frustrating me since 2011. In more than one game this season we have had reasonable leads but as soon as the opposition has scored a try, we press the panic button and run around for the last 20 mins like headless chooks. Crap game management. You could forgive last season when Wessels was trying to meld two teams together and to some extent it’s still a work in progress.Resting players should not be an excuse either. I don’t think you can lay too much on Toomua’s plate either. Last Saturday was his first full game. If by some slim chance we do qualify for the finals and have to play in Christchurch again our defence should at least know what to expect.

      • Who?

        Isn’t it always logical to blame the flyhalf for allowing in 66 points..?
        :-P

    • That was a vintage game last weekend – The true Crusaders of Old against the old Rebels.

      • Missing Link

        It certainly was the best of the Crusaders against the worst of the Rebels

  • Jcr

    Not a problem with Foley out , Mason has been definitely bought up to speed after his last game, oh wait a minute …

  • Nutta

    Good Day Fornicators & Drunkards

    Geez I would love to be at Tarts training this week. How the fk do they get up for this game? Not only did they have their arses fairly handed to them, now they need a serise of events akin to a string-theory equation to somehow go their way and they get to do it without a raft of their top line players. Gold. I can’t wait for the motivational speeches this week… What a fun fun week. That said, imagine if they won… without the top-liners…

    NZ suddenly has one of the worlds best players fit to play? Well gee. That surprises me. Bastards.

    If you want to make a movie about a dead-set Wallaby legend then go do some research into Wild Bill Cerutti. Especially the story about the steak in the undies. But no-one would believe it.

    • Kiwi rugby lover

      Poking the bear! Love it.

      Mate we always have our best for last, it’s part of the plan to bring you in all full of glory and hope and then smash you dead when it counts.

      I’m with you on the Tahs, You know it’d almost be great to see the 2nd stringers get up and beat the chiefs just as a big “Fuck you!” to the under performing Wallabies and the Coaches who’ve ignored them all year. I’d crack up if that occurred.

      • Keith Butler

        Ah the irony of it all. Reminds of scrum practice back in the day. Our 2nd team used to regularly shove the 1st team pack every which way just to make a point. But I knew what to expect when I eventually got promoted.

    • formerflanker

      To get up for the game, Gibson should bring in young players with nothing to lose, design some very unexpected attacking plays, and play fast and direct recycle ball rugby.
      The players will do the rest.

      • Nutta

        In attack, victory goes to he who has less to lose.

  • dsb

    Isn’t Phipps the bloke who stood on a public bar and p…… all over it. Can’t use Folau as an excuse for their own poor performances that have been consistently poor for some time. What a joke they continue to be!

    • Custard Taht

      Yep, I think the Waratahs probably need to have little look at the culture within the team. There have been a number of “Distractions” around this team, Folau’s is just another one on a growing list.

  • Greg

    As I dream of more IFFDs….

    Any news on Pocock’s fitness?

  • muffy

    Potentially controversial comment here:

    1. Some predetermining statements: I will not say which side I come down on and try to be objective as I am undecided myself.
    2. I hate the tarts
    3. Phipps can behave like a child from time to time
    4. LFG is sorely missed (that has nothing to do with what follows but needs to be said at every opportunity)

    I think Phipps has a point.

    The players operate under strict guidelines and it seems there was a breach by Falou. Of course that would upset the team dynamic, the team would be totally divided, and… I would even suggest along race lines, with the PI guys (largely christian) and the more liberal young millennial guys (mostly white) falling on opposite sides of the discussion.

    Totally disruptive to the team dynamic.

    We bang on about a championship team beating a team of champions, truly indicative of the importance of team dynamic, trust and camaraderie. When it is damaged, a weak team becomes even weaker.

    It’s disingenuous to compare the crusaders with the tahs as the disruption in Christchurch came from externally while at the tarts, it was one of their own. One galvanising the team, the other dividing it.

    Is it an excuse, perhaps, is it valid, absolutely, is it the sole reason, nope, never not a chance. Did it need to be aired … I think yes. Maybe.

    It still a shame that it all happened this way, it could have been handled so much better by all parties, Israel included.

    • Who?

      You’re right – we need to emphasize how greatly LFG is missed at every opportunity. :-)

      • Bernie Chan

        I was having a half decent until you guys reminded of LFG…
        SFK will be the next infamous acronym…the QRU and RA suck!
        Reds (possibly Wallas too…) fans will cry in their beer whne LFG and SFK are mentioned..

  • AllyOz

    This is the same Nick Phipps who did this last year right? A bit rich IMO

    https://www.foxsports.com.au/rugby/nick-phipps-fined-and-suspended-for-urinating-on-a-bar-while-dressed-as-a-cow-during-his-bucks-night/news-story/c514aae1c5fd9ca4ccea199302dfa1af

    Mr Pot … I would like to introduce you to Mr Kettle.

    While he might have some points I think it shows a lack of EQ and maturity to blame Folau for on field performances. Whatever he has done we can be sure that after he was excluded from the team he missed no tackles, dropped no passes, threw no bad passes, didn’t miss any kicks for touch or fail to run into any holes. Take responsibility for your own stuff Waratahs.

    Anyway I had a much better rant planned and then I saw a picture of Nick Phipps missus and I lost my train of thought

    • Pearcewreck

      Yep AO, spot on.
      But Phipps was smart.
      He urinated on the bar of the Woollahra Hotel and whilst doing so he managed to avoid urinating on Allan Joyce’s bar.
      Tolu Latu was smart.
      He drink drove, again, on a suspended license, but in doing so he managed to avoid crashing into Allan Joyce.
      Kurtley Beale was smart.
      When he punched Cooper Vuna he some how managed to avoid punching Allan Joyce.
      David Pocock was smart.

      He managed to avoid illegally chaining himself to Allan Joyce’s bulldozer.

      • AllyOz

        The irony of all that though is that KB’s big blow up with Di Patterson about changing his t-shirt actually occurred on a flight (perhaps a Qantas flight though as it was from SA to Argentina maybe not). A Qantas flight is the only place that Alan Joyce perhaps should have say about what happens.

        • Pearcewreck

          Yeah, what was the story with all that Di Paterson and the t-shirt?
          I missed all that some how?
          Still don’t know what happened?

          Any how, none of my bees wax I suppose.

        • AllyOz

          From memory I think she (or one of the managers) had told the team that they needed to be wearing team uniform at some point during the flight and so she told KB to change and put on his team gear and he decided he didn’t want to and told her to piss off.

        • Brumby Runner

          Part of the story only, but background to what later transpired. The link goes into more detail about the offensive comments posted and circulated by KB about Di Patston.

        • AllyOz

          Yes the t-shirt incident was only a minor part of the story but it was possibly the trigger to what had transpired earlier making it into the media. And I didn’t even come close with the ladies surname … Patterson vs Patston…an ugly few months that we should have learned from and moved on. I am not sure we did and it cost us a good coach in the process.

  • AllyOz

    I think it’s now unlikely that we will have more than 1 team from the Australia/Japan conference in the finals now and, to be honest, if either the Rebels or the Tahs make it then they are likely to get their arse handed to them on a plate in week one of the finals series anyway given current form.

    However, I don’t think it really matters all that much because I think in the Brumbies, we have a team that has a genuine chance of winning this thing this year. They have shown they have an adaptive style of play that can adjust to the opposition and the conditions and find a way to win regardless of what it takes. From what I have seen its down to them the Crusaders, the Hurricanes and the Jaguares. Who gets to host the finals and therefore who has to travel may well be the key determinant this year but the Crusaders – despite being miles ahead on the table have shown that they can be beaten (its just very hard to do it).

  • Hannes En Brianda Barnard

    A movie about the life of Matt Hodgeson will be terrific. It has everything: an underdog, heart, struggle to make the side, stepping into leadership in difficult circumstances even captaining the Wallabies, the unlikely here, betrayal by the establishment, the perfect swan song, a new beginning, the community support, money and glamour, etc. Great story!

  • joy

    So Folau can have a view but can’t express it. That’s garbage. The Waratahs deserve to be in this mess. How can they be a real team if half the side believes Folau but the other half are happy for him to be forced into the same box gays have just been liberated from.

    • Pearcewreck

      Exactly j, Phipps completely contradicted himself there.

    • IIPA

      Folau can have a view but can’t do something he’s already been asked not to do and which he said he wouldn’t do….

      Fucking hell how hard is it to see this a clear case of disobedience and not some holy war

  • So how many Rebels are now worthy of a spot in the Wallabies squad. On my count four. Of the run-on Wallabies team, say 8-10 Brumbies ON FORM plus Alatoaa/Slipper on the bench with the other running on.

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