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Tuesday’s Rugby News looks at the injuries from round 6, Petrus du Plessis’s trip down under, Thorn heaping praise on Michael Todd and, Cloe Dalton re-signing with RA


To’omua cleared, Hunter not so clear.

Hunter Paisami in space.

There are a few concerns for supporters of the Rebels and Reds after their epic match on Saturday.

Hunter Paisami bent his knee a way it’s not supposed to go seconds before half time and sat glumly on the bench for the Reds massive second-half effort. Paisami spent the force shutdown recovering from an MCL tear and there a fears he has re-injured it but scans in the next couple of days will show the full picture.

Minutes after the break both Tate McDermott and Matt To’omua where being whisked up the tunnel for HIA’s. While McDermott returned to the field no worse for wear To’omua was able to return. Good news is To’omua was cleared to travel back to Sydney with his teammates and with the Rebels having a week off is unlikely to miss a game.

It was on the field that the Rebels really missed To’omua’s leadership when they were unable to score with a mountain of possession and territory in the second half.

Late in the game, Australia’s other leading contender for the Wallabies flyhalf spot walked off with an injured sternum. But no word yet if his replacement was precautionary or not.

Is Petrus du Plessis joining Wallaby Coaching Team?

Rumours have been swirling around Petrus du Plessis and his possible inclusion in the Wallaby set up for a while. Most of the speculation has been whether Rugby Australia could afford to stump up the cash to lure the 120+ kg tighthead prop down under.

While there has been no word from RA it seems that the De Plessis’s are apparently heading to Australia while the Glasgow Warriors have announce Petrus has left to take up coaching opportunities elsewhere.

Wallabies boss Rennie has made no secret of his desire to sign the 39-year-old Du Plessis, who has been Glasgow Warriors’ scrum coach since 2018. “If we can get it across the line, there’s more than just the Wallabies, it’s getting around the country working with all national sides and so on but he’d be a great get if we can get it over the line.”

Two weeks ago Glasgow confirmed that the South African had ‘accepted another coaching role’ and it now appears that barring something as yet unseen, he will be Wallabies scrum coach. He will be Rennie’s latest acquisition from Scottish Rugby, with former Scotland and Glasgow coach Matt Taylor returning to the land of his birth as defence coach.

He won two Heineken Champions Cup and three English Premiership titles during his time at Saracens. Before enjoying a stellar professional career playing for Nottingham, Saracens and London Irish in England and then heading across the border to Scotland, du Plessis graduated in physiotherapy from the University of Salford in 2008 when he was playing for Sedgley Park.

Notionally a weakness of the Wallabies, Du Plessis will have his hands full turning their scrum into a weapon, but you wouldn’t bet against him.

Thorn waxes lyrical

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After the amazing defensive effort by the Reds on Saturday their coach, big bad Brad Thorn heaped praise on Reds analyst and defence coach Michael Todd in the after-match press conference.

Todd, who migrated to Australia in 2009 after two years earlier having represented Zimbabwe at rugby’s Junior World Cup in Ireland, never expected to find his name being spoken so reverently at a post-match press conference.

While he had helped Thorn with the Queensland Country side in 2017, the same year he joined the Wallabies for their spring tour as a computer analyst, all of his work earlier this year had been on laptops. That was until the COVID-19 pandemic struck and he suddenly found himself answering an SOS from Thorn to take over the defence coaching role after Peter Ryan was laid off by the Queensland Rugby Union.

“It’s been a pleasant experience but a steep learning curve,” Todd told The Australian on Sunday. “I wouldn’t say we are doing too much different. We have just tried to simplify it. We know it is going to be a short tournament so we just try to do all the simple things really well as well as play for each other.”

Normally, Reds halfback Tate McDermott is feted for his attack but he made at least three try-saving tackles on Saturday and he admits that working with Todd has been eye-opening.

“From my point of view, it’s the basics done well,” McDermott explained. “You stick that first tackle, you get right back to the basics, everyone does their job. Todd has taken that to another level.”

Country First For Chloe Dalton

The Draw of the Olympics and the chance of a medal has pushed Chloe Dalton towards signing with Rugby Australia for the 2021 season.

“When I looked at it, I wanted to make sure that when I get to the Olympics in 2021 I’m the best possible player that I could be, and I don’t think that going back and playing another AFLW season and coming back with three or four months to prepare would be enough,” Dalton tells RUGBY.com.au.

“I want to be sure, particularly for my teammates, that when I step out on the field I’m as fit and strong as possible and everything that I’ve been working on makes me the best teammate.

“I don’t want to ever go to an Olympics and not be at my peak.”

The benefit of hindsight has given her that perspective.

Had the Tokyo Olympics gone ahead as scheduled for 2020, Dalton, 27, believes she would have been racing the clock to return to the form she was in four years ago before she sensationally switched codes to join the AFLW in 2018.

“I’m quite thankful that I have an extra year to get ready for Tokyo 2021 because looking back now I think I would have been cutting it pretty fine to come in off the back of the AFLW season and only have a few months to prepare for the Olympics,” she says.

Dalton believes, too, that the extra year the squad has to rediscover their mojo will help their bid to defend their gold medal.

“There’s definitely positives in the fact that it’s (COVID-19) given us more time to prepare,” Dalton says.

“I think for us as a squad it’s definitely a positive thing and we’ve tried to use the last few months where there’s obviously been a lot of restrictions in place and other countries may not have had access to the same training and still be able to be centralised like we have, so we’ve been trying to use that as much as we possibly can and from a strength and conditioning perspective to get ahead.

“Moving forward, coming up against probably our biggest opposition in New Zealand, who have obviously been really dominant over the last year or so, it’s going to be a massive challenge but it’s working out what we can be doing individually and as a squad to get ourselves up to that level so when we meet them, whatever context that is, how we can beat them.”

  • KwAussie Rugby Lover

    Thanks Sully, lets hope the injuries don’t end up defining the Wallaby team this year and I hope they are all ok. Still it’s a contact sport and so injuries in a match are part of the planning scenarios.
    Sounds like Rennie is getting a pretty good team together and lets hope there are some games to play at the end of the year. Still like a break from the Super teams, a break from international games may not be all bad.
    Great to hear Cloe signing up for rugby and goes to show the lure of international play is still pretty good.
    Great work by Thorn and his team to get someone in and boy has he made a change. That defence last week was fantastic and so good to watch

    • Happyman

      Funny thing was I was listening to the tight five podcast the other night and they were talking about the State of Union idea. They had Lote T on and while they thought it was a good idea I kept thinking the reason it works for the league is that for them it is the pinnacle of the game.
      As I have always said the reason Leaguies fight tooth and nail over NSW is that if they lose that they do not have a sport.

      • Reds Revival

        While it’s great to have the tribalism of the State of the Union, I think it can become counter productive when it comes to the Wallabies. The Kangaroos only play a couple of games and it is considered a lower standard than SOO, but you can still tell that there is some rivalry within the squad. The Wallabies are the important flagship of our sport, and it’s vital that they operate as a cohesive unit, rather than creating internal camps and rivalries.

        • Alister Smith

          I wonder if a one off game each year might be better than a best of three for that very reason – and it would protect the novelty of it. I am not sure about changing the rules to include everyone from all backgrounds in either one of those teams. It would be great to imagine a day where a team made entirely of players developed in WA or Victoria would be able to challenge one of Qld or NSW. I think there were ACT teams in the past that beat NSW and possibly Qld (1994?)

        • Reds Revival

          Lote Tiquiri suggested maybe even a Pacific Islands team to throw into the mix. That would eliminate every state claiming their Fijian, Samoan and Tongan imports.

        • Alister Smith

          Yes that would be good – I am not sure who would be left for NSW and Qld in the front rows at the moment

  • A Dingo Stole My Rugby

    There was an entirely predictable article in The Times on the weekend, with the arse-hat Stephen Jones saying in his usual condescending way that DuPlessis was heading to Australia “to teach the Wallabies how to scrum”. Jones’s contempt for southern hemisphere rugby remains undiminished.

    • Nutta

      Well that’s nice.

      I guess there has been enough Wobbly types over the years who headed north to teach them… well… passing, tackling, rucking, lineouts, No7 on-balling, counter-attack, finding your own arse with one hand, finding your own arse with two hands and basically all things about taking yet another English game and then returning to England to show them how to play their own game.

      It’s almost an assumed duty by all Antipodeans to help them sort themselves out in just about any field you can think of.

      So if it makes the Filth feel loved, appreciated and worthwhile then it hurts us not to let them hide behind using a Jarpy via Scotland to help them feel better about themselves.

      And within that I luv the way he ‘Andy Murray’ the guy – you know, when he’s winning he’s ‘good’ and suddenly British to be inclusively wrapped in the Butchers Apron but when he’s losing he’s ‘bad’ and back to suddenly being distinctly Scottish.

      My dad used to say (among other gems) “It costs you nothing to be nice Boy. It costs effort to be an arsehole. So be cheap.” So we can be nice and accept their condescending, imperious, supercilious help. Cheers Cobbers.

      • Greg

        “It’s almost an assumed duty by all Antipodeans to help them sort themselves out in just about any field you can think of.”

        It’s not like there is any shortage of opportunities for improvement!

      • Alister Smith

        Interestingly, perhaps our best ever forward/scrum coach was Alec Evans who was born in Brisbane and played for the Wallabies but did coach Wales in the 1995 World Cup (not sure what Stephen Jones thought of that). Outside of him I reckon our best forwards/scrum coaches have been the Argentinians, Mario and Topo.

      • Steve

        He really could have given you a more creative name than Boy, Nutta

        • Nutta

          I call my kids Cost Centre 1, 2 & 3 so he set a fairly pragmatic tone.

    • Keith Butler

      Mate. Never a truer word spoken or written. Makes me cringe seeing some of the crap they write. Mick Cleary at the Telegraph is another bellend.

      • Looks like they didn’t see The Reds v Rebels game.

    • Dud Roodt

      You’d struggle to find a bigger fuckwit in the world of rugby than Stephen Jones.
      Over lockdown I found myself awaiting the weekly “Top 10″ lists he and Stuart Barnes compiled. Somehow he managed to have 9 out of every Top 10 be from fucking Wales. I’d imagine he’d find a way to include an all Welsh list on a list of the Top 10 Non-Welsh rugby players.

      • Yowie

        Well, Jones, Jones, Jones, Jones, Davies, Davies, Thomas, Thomas, Williams & Williams are very good players.

        • Tomthusiasm

          is that Jones from Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch, or Jones from Rhosllannerchrugog?

        • Yowie

          Myfanwy’s son. I forget where they are from.

        • Brisneyland Local

          A rum and coke please Myfanwy

        • Keith Butler

          That’s the abbreviated version. You forgot llantysiliogogogoch. Helps to say it with a mouth full of phlegm.

        • Tomthusiasm

          You must wear a mask before even attempting

        • GeorgiaSatellite

          Is Evans on the bench?

        • Yowie

          Yeah, Evans and Rhys-Wyn-Jones didn’t make the top ten.

      • Nutta

        In regards to your first statement, I nominate one Chris Rattue. Can I get a 2nder?

        • Tomthusiasm

          He’s pretty terrible, I can’t read that fan-boy journalism. Mark Reason is disliked in NZ for having a view contrary to most, it’s actually pretty refreshing though. I find Stephen Jones (the journalist) funny, they’re obviously doing it to stir shit though, sell papers, get people talking. Brendan Venter has some pretty strange opinions too.

        • KwAussie Rugby Lover

          2nd and 3rd that halfwit. Also Reason, another troll of rugby

        • Happyman

          Mate that NZ Ratue aspires to be a halfwit.

        • KwAussie Rugby Lover

          True

      • Fully agree. Jones the Welshman who loves the English. Did he ever actually play?

        • Dud Roodt

          I’m not sure. I know one thing for sure – he fucking hates the southern hemisphere though

        • He hates everyone. He’s Welsh so he hates the English. He missed the Golden Generation so he hates the WRU and their players. He’s a little Englander so he hates anyone who isn’t British (not just the S. Hemisphere, he’s pretty vile about the French too).

          Must be a sad life if you think about it.

      • Keith Butler

        Stuart Barnes. Never got over being passed over for Rob Andrew.chips on both shoulders. Another bellend.

        • Dud Roodt

          At least with Barnes there was some semblance of impartiality with the lists. I found myself looking at Jones’ and laughing, thinking “how the fuck did he think that guy was the best [x,y,z]?!”

        • Nutta

          Chips on both makes for balance right?

      • In academia there is genuine value to contrarianism. But, of course, that’s not just saying no, or being an arse, it’s saying “no, however…” with some thoughtful reasons to make genuinely think and not just take the lazy way. They don’t usually get the thanks for making big discoveries, but they often introduce a lot of rigour into the discipline and are, indirectly, responsible for developing new theoretical models of how things work.

        In journalism, that doesn’t really apply. Occasionally, if they’re well written, you get a mix of humour and a radical outside view that makes you think, just like the contrarian academics. However, mostly it just comes across as venomous bile. The times, like a broken clock being right twice a day, they get it right, are too few and far between to subject yourself to the toxic sludge.

        • Alister Smith

          Sports writing seems to fall into three or four broad categories. 1. background pieces that give an insight into the players and coaches (probably based on interviews of them directly or those around them) 2. game recaps – not much value if you have been there and I find I rarely agree with them if I have watched the game. Identifying that the turning point in the game occurred in the 59th minute when you have had the benefit of watching how things play out is of pretty limited value. 3. match previews/predictions – I would love to see journalists rated on their accuracy – ie Stephen Jones – accuracy based on previous picks 4.5/10 etc. and then 4. there are the political insider or team insider things – which, in the current environment at least, I find of much less value – which I wrap up together as New Idea sports journalism.

        • I would broadly agree with that. I would add a fifth category, although I think you might call it your category four: the think pieces.

          Sadly there are too few of these, but they do exist. I would suggest Austin Healey writes some good ones. I rarely agree with what he writes, but I usually enjoy reading his pieces. Unlike Jones, Reason and the others who seem to write provocative pieces because they love the sound of their own voices and pretty much seem to count their success by the volume of hate mail they receive, Healey clearly writes from a position of abiding love for the game, but a willingness to criticise the places where he seems room for improvement, and things he think would lead to those improvements.

          He has, for example, written about the time setting scrums take out of the game, the mess that the breakdown is and so on. And he’s made constructive suggestions about ways to improve things. His latest bee in his bonnet: 30 seconds from when the ref calls a scrum to when he calls set. (Obviously if there are injuries and so on, you make allowances.) While I’m not sure 30s is the right time (I think 45s might work better), this is an example of a law variation I would like to see trialled. I can’t remember what he suggested for the breakdown but I do remember it was crazy, IMO. But I do remember it provoked some pretty extensive discussion up here.

          I’d like to take issue with your comment on game recaps too! You may not find them useful, always your prerogative, but I enjoy reading them, and their associated comments. Someone pointing out the turning point was those two tries in 3 minutes at the 60 minute mark, probably not so important, I agree. But the judgement of whether A attacked poorly or B defended heroically or a bit of both is always interesting to read.

        • Nutta

          An intelligent counter-piece is always welcome. But they are few and far between.

        • Agreed. And I’m somewhat surprised to see Healey produces them – he seemed to be an arsey gobshite as a player, but when he writes, some of the cockiness goes away and the brain comes through.

        • Alister Smith

          I caught the same plane as him from Dubai or Abu Dhabi once. (we weren’t in the same section). He seemed much quieter than I imagined he would be. It was that strange thing where you recognise someone and think you must know them and find yourself staring at them while you try and work it out. And then you do and are slightly embarrassed when you realise you don’t know them personally at all and they are now looking back at you and wondering what they are doing.

    • Tomthusiasm

      Considering only one team (France) out of eight at the knockout stage of RWC 2019 was coached by NH head coach, I struggle to see his point.

  • Yowie

    Shane – quick typo correction note. According to the internet it’s Chloe Dalton.

    • Thanks mate will fix it when I can get to it

  • Nutta

    Enduring company excluded of-course KB.

  • Yowie

    You don’t frighten us, English pig-dogs! Go and boil your bottoms, sons of a silly person.

    • Keith Butler

      I fart in your general direction.

  • Jason

    Hunter being out isn’t quite as much of a loss as Jordie, but still a massive loss. I think they’ll need to keep Petiai on the wing as Flook isn’t a winger.

    • Reds Revival

      Flook may yet need to go to 5/8th. There’s been no word about the seriousness of JOC’s injury.
      Having said that, I think they would probably move Hamish Stewart into 5/8th (or possibly even Hegarty) and Flook to inside centre.

      • Nutta

        I used to live in Scotland for a while. Luv’in that Flook name;
        ‘Get t’ Flook!’
        ‘Flooking wot?’

  • Brisneyland Local

    Besides KB you are a Tasweigan now. And that supercedes being a soap dodger

    • Nutta

      There is that. But after beginning with such pugilistic relish I thought better than to antagonise a gent so much larger than I by introducing an aspect of Taswegianism (and what it then entails) into the chat.

      • Keith Butler

        I will take that as a compliment unless advised to the contrary.

      • Brisneyland Local

        That is why I did it from QLD. No one can up to here with closed borders!

    • KwAussie Rugby Lover

      like being a Kiwi but with less sheep jokes

      • Brisneyland Local

        True. But they do play a lot of banjoes down there

      • laurence king

        They’re jokes????

      • Alister Smith

        but some extras on two headedness and incest. It all balances out.

      • Alister Smith

        but some extras on two headedness and incest. It all balances out.

  • Alister Smith

    This is a genuine question – not meaning to have a dig. Is it “Thorn Wax’s Lyrical” or “Thorn Waxs Lyrical” or “Thorn Waxes Lyrical”. I am sure there is an English teacher or grammar Nazi on here somewhere who will know the answer. I was ruling out wax’s as lyrical is not possessive (?) of lyrical and it isn’t a contraction but I note that the autospell on the site wants me include the apostrophe. Waxes is the plural of wax but, in this situation it is the verb wax not the noun (as in waxing and waning of the moon). Anyone just genuinely interested (for some bizarre reason) as to the correct usage in this case and why.

    • donktec

      pretty sure it would be “Thorn waxes lyrical”. As much as i dislike apostrophe abuse i won’t die on this hill.
      Maybe he can market “Thorn’s Lyrical Wax”? And if they win “Thorn’s Miracle Wax”.
      ok, i’m stopping now…

      • Yowie

        There must be equivalent discussions of the finer points of grammar on the League news forums.

        Eg. whether it is “fully sic” or “fully sick” in the sentence “It’s fully sic when Todd does the bubbler hey”

        • Nutta

          I’m looking forward to you visiting those sites, making a polite inquiry and then hyper-linking us all in…

        • “fullysicbra”, one word, no spaces, delivered with a high nasal sound and accompanying rising diphthong.

        • GeorgiaSatellite

          Fully sick [sic].

      • Alister Smith

        just found on Collins online dictionary
        If you say that someone, for example, waxes lyrical or waxes indignant about a subject, you mean that they talk about it in an enthusiastic or indignant way.

        • A study of the “bogon” language offers a slightly different result.
          Wacks-on or wacks-off seems the closest variation.
          eg: he wacks on/off about everything.
          (carries an implication of masturbatory action.)
          Far more suitable to utterances of Thorn imo.
          The equivalent would therefore be similar to ‘Thorn wanks on about something’

          source: Australian dialects and languages of the Parramatta districts in the late 20th century.

        • GeorgiaSatellite

          “Wacks-on, wacks-of”- Mr. Miyagi, 1984

        • Okinawan root derivative, interesting theory GS.

        • Nutta

          Was that peer reviewed?

        • 2 ppl read it and agreed so…yes?

        • Andrew Luscombe

          Yep.

          Thorn Wax’s Lyrical = Thorn Wax is lyrical. The article isn’t about the lyrical nature of a Mr Wax with the first name of Thorn.

          Thorn waxs lyrical isn’t grammatical.

        • Thanks Alister. I finished grade 10 in 1980 and to be honest not a lot sunk in. Writing for Green and Gold has improved my spelling and grammar out of sight but I always appreciate someone picking up my mistakes. Please don’t stop. It helps me a lot.

          Thanks
          Sully

        • Yowie

          Keep up the good work with the articles Sully. The good info, jokes, creativity, sly opinions, other personal touches and the speed of publishing in the morning (from all GAGR writers) is worth it for the odd typo or grammatical sin.

        • Alister Smith

          Well that wasn’t my intention but I am glad you got something from the question. I had no idea what the answer was myself and I genuinely wasn’t sure. On ABC radio this arvo in NSW they had a 15 minute discussion on the placement of the apostrophes….and I am now more confused but for some reason I found it interesting.

        • Yowie

          That’s weird. In Queensland the ABC radio shows are all about banjo-playing and how to keep food cool under a wet sack.

        • Alister Smith

          But Annastacia loves you and is keeping you all safe in your little bubble so it’s OK. And I live 800 kms from f*^king Sydney but still can’t get over the f*&king border to watch a game of Super Rugby.

        • Nutta

          Inspiring stuff.

      • Damo

        You, to the leaguies. “Sorry but your grammar is terrible”. Them, “No, she went to the doctor and she’s a lot better, thanks”.

  • Alister Smith

    While the scrum is may notionally be a weakness there is some very good raw material to work with so any improvements in technique that a new scrum coach – Du Plessis or anyone else – can bring would soon turn it into a weapon I think.

    • Nutta

      1st things first, at least we have some willing cattle around these days both in terms of genuine 1&3’s (as opposed to fat backrowers) but also Back5’s who want to stay on and work as opposed to Meerkating and pissing off.

  • The Jackal

    Heard a nice little rumor of a double header in Newcastle for the final round of Super AU. Saturday Sep 5 – Rebels v Force at 5 into Reds v Brumbies at 7.15.

    Manly v Warringah that afternoon’s Shute Shield. I’ll be blacking out the diary for that afternoon

    • Moz

      And blacking out the next day for the recovery?

      • Nutta

        Double Black(Rats).

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