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Tuesday’s Rugby News has a gander at To’omua’s groin,


To’omua’s Injury Brings Selection Headache.

Toomua – very precise

When Matt To’omua’s troublesome groin flared up in Saturday’s Bledisloe cup match it played havoc with the Wallabies attack and defence. But now while there has been no update on the injury that To’omua has carried all year it does leave a selection problem for the Wallaby selectors going forward.

Hunter Paisami wouldn’t have imagined playing 50 minutes of test rugby before Saturday but given the chance to show off some of his distribution skills he didn’t hesitate. While you wouldn’t say Paisami is an out and out 12 in 13’s clothing he did show enough to be considered a possibility of continuing there, all be it with a couple of weeks training under his belt.

Another option is Brumbies inside centre Irae Simone who had a stellar season in Super Rugby but has no test experience. Simone has plenty of experience at inside centre and would be a perfect, almost like for like fit for To’omua in the back line.

In his post-match press conference, Rennie also heaped praise on Paisami, but tellingly name-dropped Brumbies second playmaker Irae Simone as another candidate to wear the No.12 jersey.

“I think Hunter’s going great. A young man who wasn’t even sure he’d play Super Rugby at the start of the year, so he’s started the first two Tests and I thought he made a pretty good fist of moving into 12,” Rennie said.

“We do have some pretty good options, who didn’t play today as well, Irae Simone being one fella who has spent a bit of time over here in New Zealand – a big part of the Brumbies set up – so we do have some options, but I thought Hunter was strong.”

Other options could be moving James O’Connor to 12 and debuting Noah Loleso at fly-half and picking 2016 touring inside centre Reece Hodge to do the job.

If To’omua’s groan doesn’t heal I think the two Brumbies players would have the inside running.

RA’s Broadcast Rights Deal

Raelene Castle and Scott Johnson

When Raelene Castle and the RA board decided to take there broadcast rights to the open market instead of taking Foxtel’s reduced offer they unleashed a media attack of a size we rarely see in this country. Castle eventually caved and resigned but many of the wheels she helped set in motion are reaching very interesting stages.

The coaching team Scott Johnson and Castle coaxed into the Wallaby set up are showing signs of great things. And yes I watched every minute of Bledisloe 2 but I can see things improving is the Wallaby setup despite the scoreline. Remember our test side have only been together for weeks and we have a long way to go.

But more intriguing is the Broadcast rights situation. The good news is there are at least two bidders. Foxtel seems to have realised that they might need rugby to keep their subscriber base intact. Rumour has it that their offer is about what their last deal was so at worst Australian rugby would at least be where it is right now.

The other bidder is the nine network who are reportedly offering a slightly lower number but have the added carrot of a game each week on free to air television. Australian rugby supporters have long hoped for a vehicle to show Super Rugby to the vast majority of people not signed up to Foxtel’s platform. Nin’s bid, on face value, seems to give that opportunity. Where the one free to air game would be televised amongst Nine’s Rugby League matches has not been discussed in the media. The remainder of the Super Rugby matches would be shown on Nine’s streaming service, Stan, a cheaper option than both Foxtel and Kayo, where they’re currently shown.

So RA’s decision is to either take the cash or the broader platform.

I’ve done my best to keep Bledisloe 2 out of today’s news because we’ve covered it, Mainstream media has covered, every man and his proverbial dog has got it on their feed and I just thought you guys might like a wee break. Unfortunately, I’ve had a look around and can’t really find another two articles that seem interesting enough to chuck in and that we haven’t covered already.

Instead, here’s something I found on Reddit to hopefully give you a laugh.

https://en.reddit.com/r/rugbyunion/comments/jduejs/the_secret_ingredient_is_crime/?ref=share&ref_source=link

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  • Mart

    Looked pretty clear to me that Banks tackled Caleb Clarke, he didn’t release and just kept going

    • Geoffro

      Banks and Koro tripped him but didn’t hold him at all,reckon it was play on.Nice tackle by White but too late by then

    • mortlucky

      Said same to the tv. That pesky ‘interpretation’ thang again. If the tackler has to release immediately…

      • Geoffro

        All I saw was Clarkes legs slip through Banks grasp and Koro give him a bit of a push.You gotta hold something to release.Same as an ankle tap or any other check , he was entitled to keep going

    • Funk

      Yeah Clarke definitely hit the ground and Banks still had a hold. Gus was pretty quick in wanting to look at BPA for getting up again maybe he should have done the same for this “try”.

    • Reds Revival

      If you watch the replay, Clarke momentarily puts the ball down and picks it up again as he is standing up. Unfortunately, it was both legal, and impressive rugby skills.

    • Crescent

      In real time on the coverage it looked suspicious and I was getting antsy at the time, then I saw the replay – Clarke played it legally and ridiculously fast. Bloody annoying, but legal and play on in my view.

      • Greg

        The thing that confuses us all is that if the ball is on the ground we expect to see a black jersey lying over the top of it.

        This new guy hasn’t got with the program yet. Give him some time to come up to speed.

  • KwAussie Rugby Lover

    Thanks Sully, interesting seeing Castles influence doing so well and just shows how myopic and insulting her detractors were. Pretty sad actually.
    I really don’t get what people see in Hodge for either 12 or 13. Can’t pass well, can’t tackle and slow. Yeah he’s got a big boot, not sure it’s that accurate but distance makes up for it and he’s not bad under the high ball but I don’t see him as a good midfielder in Super Rugby let alone test level. Time to bring in both Simone and Lolesio, one starting and one off the bench

    • Geoffro

      I reckon what keeps Reece around is his awareness and rugby brain.He usually seems to be in the right space but fully agree with your assessment of his actual skills.Not in my matchday 23 at all.

    • Happyman

      Hi Mate
      Castles detractors were all of the guys who were challenged by her agenda. Mostly the guys with there snouts in the trough at Foxtel and previous RA shindigs.

      Re Hodge. I listen to a few NFL podcasts and a commentator put it this way. In the NFL draft if you are a first round pick you have to convince people that you are not capable of playing at that level. If you are a 6th round pick you spend and entire career trying to convince people that you can play at that level. For mine Hodge is a first round pick and he has had more than enough chances he is not at this level.

      I will also say this I picked Australia to win at Eden park without Whitelock or Retallic and was incorrect but if someone had said in 2020 we go to NZ and have a draw and a not terrible loss I with a new coach and a new squad I would have banked it.

      • KwAussie Rugby Lover

        mate I can definitely see an improvement and I think we should focus on those small things. Realistically it was always going to be a difficult job to beat the ABs in NZ and the first test was the best chance of that. I think Rennie will keep the improvements going and players will either improve on the deficiencies or be moved on, something that hasn’t been the case for a few years.

      • Mike D

        Absolutely agree. We’re now basically 1-0 down in a 3 match Bled series with 2 matches to go in Oz.

  • Custardtaht

    The fewer Tahs strategy of team selection has not worked.

    It is time for a Stahting 15 strategy.

    • Geoffro

      I think you mean tradgedy not strategy

      • Parker

        Stragedy

    • Yowie

      The trend line for the first two tests is “more Tahs” correlating with (or indeed causing) “worse results”.

      • Custardtaht

        I can see that things could be interpreted that way. Rennie thought having a few Tahs would lift the others, he thought wrong.

        Selection socialism only works when the lessers are outnumbered by the betters. What we saw is what happens when the lessers outnumber the betters

        The best on ground for the Wallabies were the 4 Tahs, but they were let down by the others.

        More tahs equals higher ceiling higher floor, fewer tahs equals lower floor.

        • Reds Revival

          Simmo was best on ground???

        • Yowie

          If he was, he was channelling his Reds experience for those moments.

        • Geoffro

          chain….yanked

        • If you see everything through a sky-blue filter, the Wallabies won on Sunday… The AssClown is the greatest coach in the world… All things are possible.

          Fortunately for those of us who don’t sip that interest shade of KoolAid other choices are available :)

    • KwAussie Rugby Lover

      Hahahahaha gold

  • onlinesideline

    These guys dead set live like royalty and they are paid a fortune to do it.
    If Rennie Ball cant beat the darkness this time around we really need to square up with these guys. The Cheshire Cat v Cheika ratio was an absolute humiliation.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9RcHNkTo6s

    • Hoss

      Its hard for me to be subjective about the SD’s when sports involved. Love the place, terrific people and all that, but if that was made to endear them to English or general rugby plans than i think they missed a trick. Josef Goebbels would be so proud of that propaganda.

      • onlinesideline

        Its pretty slick isn’t it.

        I like how they disinfect their balls after use.

        • Hoss

          Well Dr Evil was after ‘those 1%s’ to help the team….

        • onlinesideline

          I found that a weird comment actually. Its like saying we are so close to perfect if we just tweak ourselves here and here and here, we will basically be the model rugby team.

          When in fact do we have the pleasure of introduciing
          Mr Daungunu and Mr Petaia and Co to the English squad of fighter pilot haircuts – is it November 2021 ?

        • Hoss

          Nothing planned yet mate v the Poms

          What u still doing up?

        • onlinesideline

          every 2 months or so I reset my circadian rhythms I stay up all night for a week and sleep during day. I start off going to sleep at 9.00am waking at 4pm, then 10 and waking up at 6, then 12 and waking up at 8, then 2 and waking up at 11pm and then 3pm and waking up at midnight, then 6pm and waking up at 2am and eventually going to sleep at 8pm and waking up at 4.00 in morning.

          It takes a week but i end up resetting back to falling asleep at 8 or 9 at night and waking up at 4 in morning naturally. To get there I still have 7 days of 7 hours sleep but just require the day time to get there.

          The other way doesnt work for me. Thats staying awak all night AND ALL DAY hoping I fall asleep at 8ish out of tiredness. I just end up going without sleep for a few days and being a wreck. My way I sacrifice no sleep, just the day time for a week. But its essential to get up early in these winters, doing some training and stay on top of winter blues and early to bed, early to rise etc …..

        • Hoss

          I am off to bed, i am tired from just reading that.

        • onlinesideline

          Im trying to stay up. GGR helps me do that.

          Do you have a nap bed attached to your office do you ? No wonder they call you the Gordan Ghecko of the Hunter. Money never sleeps.

        • Hoss

          Nothing better than a afternoon nap – or a ‘goanna’ as my father calls them a lie down in the sun.

          The rank stupidity of some staff usually stuns me awake most days. 220 staff and 200 of them are rippers, good people doing their best, but the other 20 are nuttier than squirrel shit and this minority are all 100% aware of ‘their rights’ . Let one go two weeks back and they told me about Fair Work Australia and their rights and unfair dismissal and i told them they were right and i agreed but any monetary sanction from FWA was considerably less than the monetary damage they inflicted on us weekly anyway so it was ‘a win – win’ so we instead agreed on 8 weeks notice instead of 4 plus any leave entitlements off they trotted happy they ‘beat me’. I was happy to pay up to 15 weeks or let FWA decide.

          Tip for negotiations mate, always speak second and remember its never where you start that counts, it’s were you end up, oh & never shit a shitter.

        • onlinesideline

          I was headed that way once upon a time. I’m guessing we are talking factory floors ?
          Had dreams of building a large paper converting plant, but something in me said no. It was the labour side that drove me nuts. Loved the machinery side and hearing those machines tick over, loading up the trucks and watching them take off interstate but the employment side was a massive pain in neck.

        • Yowie

          Agreed that a siesta or “combat nap” is a bloody good thing. A lot cultures around the world seem to be onto that as a standard setting.

        • onlinesideline

          Hungarian nap is even better

        • Yowie

          If you mean the urban dictionary defined version, I don’t think I could get away with that after lunch at work.

          Not after my second warning.

        • onlinesideline

          pays to be self employed in Central Europe.
          (after Covid’s done, thats all that will be left)

        • Yowie

          There is a Mitchell & Webb Look sketch about “working from home” to that effect. I wont paste a link here, but worth a youtube search.

        • onlinesideline

          I’ll post it then – OMG the English

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rW9UQgu8kk

        • onlinesideline

          lol – after re-reading it I actually sound like one of the 2 Ronnies.

    • Greg

      I am thinking about a variation of that image with sheep….. probably best not to.

  • onlinesideline

    Question: I actually thought the upcoming Sydney match was the last of the actual Bledislo’e matches. I thought it was best of 3. I’m under the impression that the 4th match between OZ and NZ is just part of the RC. But I keep hearing we “have to win the next 2 to win the Bled back”. So is the Bled 4 matches ? – what happens if it was 2 wins each or is it in fact first to win 2 ?

    • The RC game counts as a Bledisloe. If it’s tied the holders retain the cup.

    • KwAussie Rugby Lover

      Changes for this year mate. Best of 4. Still alive for sure. You have to win it to get the Chip away from the holder so because of the draw it’s essentially best of 3. If NZ wins one more Or draws one and loses one they hold it. If Aus wins both they get it

  • Jason

    Am I the only one who thinks the Hunter / Jordie centres combination is worth sticking with for game 3?

    • I think there was promise there.

      • Reds Revival

        But are we going back to the Kerevi/TK centre combination, which looks great on paper, but simply didn’t work.
        I don’t think that Paisami has the silky ball skills that we need of a 12 to unlock the strike power out wider.
        My preferred option is Lolesio to 10 and JOC to 12, but would be happy with Simone coming into 12, probably with Lolesio as a combination. JOC would be a handy bench addition.

        • KwAussie Rugby Lover

          Interesting. I see the 12 more as a crash up and straight runner plus a very good defender. For me it’s the 13 that needs to have very good distribution skills. Nice if the 12 has them as well like Nonu eventually developed but essential in the 13

        • Reds Revival

          I understand your thought process, but from what I have seen, if the 12 is a crash baller, then it doesn’t get out wide often enough.
          That would be a good tactic if you had fullbacks playing on the wing (like your favourite coach used to do). However, with the Bula Bros and Jordan of Nazareth, we want to get the ball to them as much as possible.

        • Damo

          I agree. I would take a fast feet creator like a Tom Horan anytime over a Pat McCabe crashballer. Especially if the 10 is creating genuine defender uncertainty by mixing up his pass , run, or kick options. That’s why I would stay with JOC at 10 for now and try a couple of 12 options. 12 also needs good instincts and I think Simone might be the right lad. Big picture, if ever there was a year to play around with selections, game plans etc 2020 is it.

        • Hoss

          Didn’t poor old Patty McCabe pay an extremely high physical price for that role, a role about 12kg’s beyond him. he was honest and did the best of his ability, but man did it punish him.

        • Geoffro

          He was a hard lad,broke his neck proving it though

        • onlinesideline

          TWICE

        • Geoffro

          Yeah,tragic really because he was refining his game a bit at that stage

        • MichaelA

          Yes, that was terrible.

          On the stats though, Wallabies did very well in the small number of games where Pat played 12.

        • Mica

          Didn’t Nonu start at 13 and moved to 12 when he learnt how to pass and then even kick. The 12 crashballer and 13 distributor is a more modern take on them previously being the other way around.

        • KwAussie Rugby Lover

          Not from my memory except for very early on at provincial or Club level. I remember him as being a 12. with first Umanga and then Smith as the 13

        • MichaelA

          He played 13 in his debut match against England, also on the 2005 grand slam tour. I think also for the matches he played in 2003 RWC but not sure about that.

        • Geoffro

          Pretty sure he came into ABs firstly as a replacement for Umaga when he was injured – could be wrong EDIT:just read M.As previous comment below

        • Mica
        • Geoffro

          I recall some pretty skilful guys running in the black 12 jersey like Carter and Mauger.I do think I’d rather a true second five than a crashballer.Gits and Barnes were always better value than a couple of the harder,less skilful guys we had there.I think Jordy Petaia could play there, his abillity to offload in contact is special ala SBW but I think maybe some kicking ability is important for a 12 too

        • I don’t think it matters which way you have them, as long as there’s a difference in style. Look at the AB’s on Sunday, I think Goodhue is more of a distributor type, ALB is more of a crash ball type.

        • KwAussie Rugby Lover

          I actually don’t see that much between them and I’d like to see Luamape at 12 and either of them at 13

        • I wouldn’t mind that, although he didn’t impress me this year as much as he has in previous years. I don’t mind Goodhue (or ALB) inside Ioane as we had in test one in terms of current form, and I’d probably pick the centre from the Saders outside Goodhue or ALB ahead of Laumape on form this year too.

        • KwAussie Rugby Lover

          Laumape is definitely a 12 not a 13 and that may count against him unless she cements a starting spot. I think his injuries this year have been the issue and he’s played when he wasn’t fully right – always an issue. I do think long term he’s got the most potential so far

    • Hoss

      Not for mine. I like them individually but see more value / gain for gold with a ball playing 12 (2Cows / Simone) and Jordan of Nazareth at 13. I think The Squatter is, on current experience and ability to limited for 12 and our wingers and 13 would starve.

    • UTG

      Simone is straight in if no MT. Best long passing game in SuperAu. He can put the wingers away. Petaia at 13 who is on another level, the work he did in the Koroibete no try was exceptional.

      • Alister Smith

        Simone for me too (or Lolesio to 10 and JOC to 12 if Toomua is out).

        • UTG

          Defensively I prefer Simone at 12 to JOC. JOC is usually a good defender but he had a couple of disappointing efforts on Sunday.

  • MichaelA

    “but have the added carrot of a game each week on free to air television.”

    That’s a big carrot.

    We need a regular FTA presence.

    • onlinesideline

      Id put my foot down and insist on at least 2. Geeze, ONE game ?
      Not exactly a marriage committment is it ?

      • Hoss

        And the ‘free advertising’ is worth three parts of sweet FA. No doubt 9 will be plugging its r’retail value’ but i reckon it ends up being shown at 2am during Demtel reruns.

        1 FTA game aint enough and be careful of lying down with dogs, the fleas will kill you.

        • onlinesideline

          Will Kenny (the little chuckler) Sutcliffe be presenting ?

        • Yowie

          Eddie McGuire probably. He’s never let pig ignorance stop him from commentating a sport. See also 9’s coverage of that Australian golf competition where Tiger Woods was flown in.

          Hours of Eddie Everywhere referring to him as “The Tiger!” was more than most viewers could bear.

        • Yowie

          Some poor insomniac will be shouting at the TV “WTF is this? I want to hear about the Kitchen MultiSlicer-Dicer! (TM)”

        • FTA was good, but its time is nearly passed. More future in streaming. Most of the younger generation don’t give the proverbial Rats about FTA.
          Not saying its a bad thing.

          We get colour in WA next month, kewl huh.

      • MichaelA

        No, I agree.

        I appreciate there is a lot of complexity about this. But Rugby must always keep its eye out for a way to continue a regular FTA presence, preferably at SR or NRC level. People can get interested just through channel surfing.

    • Yowie

      You might be underestimating Channel 9’s ability to deliberately make a mess of Rugby broadcasting with the express purpose of keeping their Loig product in clear air.

      Whoever said “there is no such thing as bad publicity” never had Channel 9 buy their commercial rights for the purpose of burying the product.

      • Geoffro

        Has to go to TEN for his guruness Gordy and MB for shits and giggles

        • Yowie

          I quite like those two as commentators.

        • Geoffro

          Mate,,when you’ve been spoonfed such arseclowns like Kearnsey and Marto whats not to like

      • MichaelA

        Fair point, however rugby does need an FTA presence. Our game has suffered from it ever since JON tied us to pay TV.

        It was all unexpected of course. Nobody back then foresaw that cable TV would never even achieve 30% penetration in the Australian market.

        • Yowie

          Agreed Re the FTA necessity. Channel 9 being the one to put their hand up seems like the plot from one of those magic monkey paw “be careful what you wish for” stories.

  • Alister Smith

    I can see the rugby working for Nine – they could play it on a Saturday night. Fox have exclusive rights to the rugby league on Saturday so there is a gap for Nine there – though I imagine they might play it on one of the smaller channels – Gem etc – at least initially. The real value is obviously in the Wallabies games for broadcasters here and a state of the union might appeal to Nine as they understand the league equivalent though I am in two minds if it would work. The Nine papers also have the most comprehensive coverage of all the newspapers (in my view). I just hope they resource it properly, bring across the 10 team or at least Gordon, I don’t want a repeat of the Ray Hadley experience, listening to him read the names of the players of a piece of paper and getting lost in explaining what was going on on the field.

    Actually they might use some of their newspaper people – G Rob, Paul Cully, Tom Decent etc (hopefully not Fitzy though – just my personal preference but he isn’t my cup of tea on tele at least).

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