There’s been more than enough talk about it, so I’ve thrown a few video clips together (and had a bit of fun with the soundtrack….)
They roughly fall in two sections:
a) Joubert’s absolute fucking cluelessness at scrum time, which he compounded by taking (unfortunately) the easiest route in international rugby; pinging Al “Le Fuse ” Baxter. Three penalties this cost the Wallabies, at crucial positions on the field. Even worse because each time even the frikken Kiwi commentators could spot that Woodcock received the shafting his name suggests.
b) The “50/50″ calls that “didn’t go our way”. Sure there was one, maybe two forward passes we got away with (neither of which resulted in points). But I had to stop myself spending all day going through the shit calls he served up, so I’ve just chucked in a few, like:
- The 3 points the ABs got for Benn Robinson rolling the ball 4 feet away from a penalty no-one was going to take quickly
- The other 3 points from Stephen Moore not managing to instantly levitate out of a ruck
- Why being the defending side and not traveling forward is a good reason to be given ball not coming out of a ruck
- Why 4 minutes to go in a Bledisloe Cup match was a good time to reverse a short-arm penalty into a scrum for the penalised side. Whether it’s technically correct or not, no ref’s done it in living memory
Even Sean ‘Cyclops’ Fitzpatrick in London Sky studio admitted they were mystifying. Go figure.
Tags: al baxter, benn robinson, craig joubert, stephen moore, youtube
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When Baxter packs on the arm, Woodcock will always struggle to get a bind. Baxter does it to limit the pressure Woodcock can exert.
Baxter should have been smart enough to modify his bind after the first penalty.
I think with even the NZ commentators behind baxter we can surely say something was wrong here.
And how could it take 4 penalties to bring on the Alman.
Arguable.
But it’s not the bind that’s forcing Woodcock to fold backwards
Watching this makes me hate refs even more. But don’t worry about the 50/50 calls, what about our lack of discipline. It was the worst i have seen in recent memory. 3 penalties all resulting in points.
1. B.R. rolling the ball away (STUPID)
2. L.B. running behind his own player I think it was Barnes (STUPID)
3. Sharp playing the ball on the ground ( FUCKING STUPID) He was looking at the ref as he did it.
We made the sort of mistakes that the coach of a school boy side would be furious at. The coching staff need to address this part of the game fast. The boys looked to me as id they just did not want to be there. The forwards were no ware at the break down and Burgess gave the backs no fucking chance with the shit he provided.i think there are some internal issues going on. The LT sacking has more effect than people think.
Fuck you J.O you should have waited till after the TN
Lol those 3 mistaks you listed. The kiwis do that almost every ruck. That is when they are not lying in the ruck or offside.
I think there are three main points that need to be made. The first is that the BR thing is fair enough but the ref should issue a warning the first time given that it happens almost EVERY time. Pretty harsh to just bang out a penalty first up.
Second, Sharpe and also Burgess both gave away some very stupid penalties. Both should apologise to the whole team.
Third, and most importantly, we know how the kiwis can ruck, we know their strategies, Joubert was plainly not interested in last feet, so we HAVE to be able to see this and have a quick team meeting and change our style: ok guys, from now on at every ruck someone runs in belts the most exposed kiwi and then falls behind the ball.
What are you doing to me Gags? Just when my blood pressure was returning to normal. What the vid doesn’t show is the ABs diving off their feet, and lying all over the ball EVERY FUCKING RUCK!!
Aaargh, where’s my meds? Call 000.
Yeah the all blacks got away with a hell of a lot from this footage.
Should send it to Sanzar and pretend it from JON.
Palu’s league tap was another costly (and stupid) example of indiscipline. Why, why why???
Its not a league tap. It just depends on the reff.
Usually the reff brings it back and makes you do it the way he wants it done.
Plus it was a touch judge call.
its in the rules you have to release the ball when you tap it, either way why do it? The under-10s I help out with some weeks know better.
I have been playing games of rugby in both codes that have required both ways of tapping.
It may be in the rules but dome reffs allow the tapp just to hit the foot, not leave the hands too.
Dead right Camo. Ssssshhhhhh….I don’t want to say it too loudly and become a target for you wallopers, but I am a ref – junior and schoolboys rugby only.
He was dead right with the league tap thing. You have to release the ball from your hands as you kick it or it must visibly move off the mark if its on the ground. He didn’t do that – maybe he’s been watching too much mungo on free to air or perhaps regressing to his St George days.
Before every game, one of the things I tell the captain of each junior team is a ‘credible feed’ at scrum time (in a way teenagers can understand) and the ball must leave the hands or off the mark at the tap penalty (best to put it on the ground for juniors)…’this is not rugby league’.
Most kids know this and Palu was a discussion point with the teams I refereed and spoke to on Sunday. I’d just get them to retake it at this level, though. Basic stuff for seniors and got what it deserved.
As for the bind, the law says ‘the tight head must grip the loose head prop’s jersey with the right hand only on the back and side. He must not grip the chest, arm, sleeve or collar of the opposition loose head and must not exert any downward pressure’.
Le Fuse’s grip looked like it was around the armpit to me. It sort of looked OK but Joubert obviously thought it was technically on the sleeve. A bit picky perhaps, but shouldn’t he have that shit worked out playing at this level? It didn’t look like he was exerting too much downward pressure in the clip.
Well when I’ve played ‘league’ and ‘oztag’ and its had to leave the hands too.
And obviously would depend on the reff. Some allow it.
I’m just saying its not a rugby league tap to do it like palu did.
I shouldn’t have watched that. I’m now even more shitty than I was Saturday night.
The crickets been making me shitty enough regarding bad ref’n let alone this video now!! But seriously fellas, tighten the discipline and pull those bloody socks up… Dan Carter is back and is only going to make it harder for the lot of ya.
Shitty calls are made against the Wallabies in every game… even the ones we manage to win.
Let’s see some improvements against The Boks please! It’s bad enough coping it from my Pommy mates about The Ashes, let alone my Kiwi mates about the Tri Nations!!!!! Those buggers just don’t shut up.
The Australian reaction following the test has been…..well…..very un-Australian.
Shore up your front row, find a test quality halfback, recruit a gamebreaker out wide to replace the one you’ve just sacked and you’ll be fine.
The Australian reaction following the test has been…..well…..very un-Australian.
two words: “Wayne Barnes”
Exactly – thats the way NZ usually reacts after a loss like last Saturdays.
Hey – we’re developing a more ‘winning’ mindset
You guys should be looking a little more introspectively as well.
Like why you didnt put a team in the Pacific Nations tournament (disgraceful) yet your happy to pay a ‘Coach’ who hasnt got you any better results on or off the paddock than those that have gone before him AUD $1M p.a. ?
Sorry Prepaid, you can’t have him back just yet
We should have a team in the PNC though. Especially without a strong domestic structure. Plus good for rugby in the region, the Pacific teams and Japan get an extra game.
Gerrards boot wouldn’t ever come in handy. Especially in the wet.
Hence him not being selected in the squad.
Nor his 100kgs, couldn’t ever use a massive outside back either.
now he’ll be playing with craig wing in japan.
Pretty sweet 9 and 10 option.
The front row doesn’t need any shoring up. Those 3 penalties clearly showed Baxter getting the better of Woodcock at the hit. All 3 times Woodcock’s head was below his hips while Baxter’s back was flat. Binding on the arm doesn’t make all that much difference. It makes it slightly harder to bind but an international prop should be able to counteract a move like that.
Its still illegal to bind on the arms you numbnut. No wonder the Ozzies scrum is shit, you don’t even know the rules yet!
Yup, Nonu got the better of him last weekend,and did you see the tackle from nonu on poor old barney,priceless,well, its on now,nonu 1 vs 0 to Barney.
Nonu: 8 runs for 31m. 6 tackles, 6 misses
Barnes: 2 runs for 59m. 5 tackles, 1 miss and half the match tries
Fool
nah don’t knock Nonu they might replace him if you do!
i have a dream:
that someday the lossing team in a tri nations test won’t cry about the ref after the game.
and that goes to all three sides.
never going to happen…
I dont think anyone cried about the reff when australia got hammered last year in SA.
Or in that 49-0 victory.
true, or the when the all blacks put 50 on both teams in 2003.
that being said, i’m sure the english would find a way to cry after a loss like that…
lets not bring up the 49-0 thing again…its taken me 3 years and lots of pills to get over that…
thats how percy got into the rugbysaurus.
The long and short of it is that the Kiwis wanted it more, and took it. Barnes’ cock up turned the team off and it was gone from there. For Gods sake, We scored 3 points in the match from the 20th minute on…either Joubert is a bloody good All Black, or we didnt deserve it…
Rolling the ball away is inocuous. The ABs already had the penalty. I know I’ve said that you shouldn’t blame the ref, but hell, after watching the vid, he did have a big part of the game didn’t he? Especially at scrum time and then he changed his mind when J OC knocked on after he ruled that it was advantage to the Wallabies. Man, there was some glaring stuff there all right.
The refs wife must be a kiwi or something.
The rugby Internet would be pretty fucking boring if we didn’t bitch at least a bit when we lost.
Perhaps there’s a “refs are perfect” site somewhere? I mean there’s some pretty twisted shit out there so why not.
my and one coat are going to open a rugby refs vomiting in each others mouth website.
Will also have Toucheman selling his book there, “100 best ways of being a prick”.
I actually think Joubert had a fair game on Saturday – he let the game flow and I thought he blew both sides equally. If you look at all the penalties in the game (kicked and missed) you only showed a small percentage.
50/50 calls are the nature of the game I’m afraid, but Australia lost that game when they lost their composure, and the ABs gained theirs.
[Edit] But I will say the calls against Baxter were a tad unreasonable. And also, awesome video! Rocking
Fark me… I just got back from France and watched this game and was furious at the ref through the game and then I come here to find this and me head nearly exploded!
Once a shit ref always a shit ref.
You could see the Wallabies had more punch and like in the cricket last week through the victory away with a combo of weather, shit ref decisions and awful discipline!
Very frustrating. I am away for some fine wine.
Whatever man, the best team on the day won and there is nothing you can do about it, the ref did his job to the best of his ability, the wallabies just have to blame themselves again for messing up big time, it just shows the character of this AB’s team, AWESUM stuff….C YA….
Whatever man… watch the video then go back to your pipe.
Actually watch the test again then go back to your pipe.
are you serious, why would I, will it make you sleep at night if I do….
I smell troll turds.
Fire burns trolls right? My extensive reading of Fantasy books would seem to indicate that’s the way to go.
Ref was clearly wrong. Yes, these are complaints. Gagger’s compilation shows the complaints are justified through the laws of the game.
Man alive.
It’s pretty obvious that Joubert doesn’t understand the front row and engagement. Its not an easy thing to understand and most people don’t get it.. I think you have to have played in the front row to understand it!
You can see that the AB loose head isn’t hitting the scrum straight, his back is twisted on engement and he has his elbow down. There is no way in the world that he can keep that scrum up. Baxter hits stright, level back and his bind is up high.. perfect.
It happens so much in rugby and the front row is such an important part of the game when it comes to the scrum. Refs should know more about it.
Too right Pidge. Baxter’s grip actually slips down a little because Woodcock is falling and slipping the bind.
couldn’t help but laugh when watching that, cheers W
As a true blue AB’s man glad to see the boys get up on Saurday… again. Ref had a shocker at scrum time however the wallabies were simply beaten at the breakdown we pushed you guys off the ball like school girls. Just take heart in the fact you tried your best but come up short….. again
Is that what you do in NZ, push school girls off balls?
In my time as a school kid, I’d always push them on my …..lol
that’s what she said
No No just beat australians
beat them off?
… unless its a WC campaign.. then the AB’s just get the cheapest flights available after the semi finals and head home.
I don’t mind losing once every 4 years, but losing year in year out has to be a little disheartning.
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GJM, I hope you haven’t forgotten the wallabies loss in the final to the poms in front of their home crowd, on their home turf.
The wallabies lost by three points, in extra time. How many chances do you get to win the world cup final at home? Ouch, thats gotta hurt BIG TIME.
Fishing as usual… At least we get to WC finals!
It hurt ‘Sweet az’.. but I take consolation in the fact we had won it twice before that. How was the TV reception of that final in NZ? I guess it was that or sheepdog trials so… you were forced to watch us in another final!
GJM,I wouldn’t have missed that final. Wasn’t forced to watch it either. Enjoyed every second of it. Till the last drop kick and presentation of the william webb ellis cup to the poms.
The pain and agony on the wallabies players faces after letting that one get away, after showing so much promise by beating the AB’s in the semi’s. And to fall in front of your home fans again.
Well, watched that final at the local pub. It was clear as daylight and on big screen too.But thanks for your concern anyway. The beer was so sweet after that final whistle.
this is hilarious! if australia had won the game none of you would even look at the ref’s performance. how about looking at your players and management’s performance? then you might find the reason for the loss.
you’re bad winners and bad losers australia…
ouch again!
Just a general question: I imagine that the ref’s performance is critiqued by the IRB. Is the outcome of this critique ever made available to the public or even to a team’s coaching staff, or is it strictly for IRB’s eyes only?
It’s made public, of course.
HAHAHAHA I don’t believe it is ever shared with anyone at all, this is one reason why JO’N loves leaving his cock in everyone’s glasses when he visits the IRB (which is rarely, they usually shut up shop if he is in town).