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Wales v Australia 2018

Wales v Australia 2018

It’s been 10 years and 13 matches since the Wallabies last tasted defeat at the hands of the Welsh. Wales are coming off a strong win against Scotland but as former captain Sam Warburton said, the Wallabies are the team to beat this tour. A win for either team would make a strong statement a head of their pool match in a year’s time at the World Cup.

The Match

2018 will go down as the year of broken records. The Irish got their first win in nearly 40 years on Australian soil, Los Puma’s won in Australia for the first time since 1983, and now the Welsh broke their 10-year drought against the Wallabies.

This Wallabies performance could almost be interchangeable with any match in 2018.

Despite some strong attacking moments, any sign of promise often resulted through in the Wallabies unravelling, kicking away possession, knocking the ball on or being caught at the breakdown by a more dominate Welsh defence.

The Wallabies came out guns blazing in the opening minutes, rucking it hard and spinning the ball through the hands. The Welsh held strong, Justin Tipuric forcing turnovers close to the try line.

Both sides had their fun playing aerial ping pong, trying some high bombs and cross kicks to no results.

The first points came through Leigh Halfpenny after Australia was pinned for a second scrum penalty. Once again the set piece of the Wallabies in the first half of a match lets them down, turning over lineouts and giving away penalties at scrum time. This is the theme of 2018.

Bernard Foley got Australia on the board in the 33rdminute of the match, after an offside penalty from Wales, bringing the scores the 3-3.

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Just like it did for the Wallabies did in Salta, the half time break proved beneficial to the Dragons, as they came out all cylinders firing. Despite some fancy footwork from the likes of Halfpenny, the Wallabies defence held strong.

Hooper made the decision to kick for the corner rather than kick for points on two occasions, one being very kickable for Foley or Beale. Both times the Wallabies coughed the ball up, once being an over throw.

Once Michael Cheika had interjected his replacement front row, thing began to look up for the Wallabies, with the Togan Thor Taniela Topou making a statement at scrum time, and in his ball carrying. But just like the effects of Red Bull, the pick-me-up was short lived.

Unlike Hooper, when the Welsh had a chance for 3, Alun Wyn Jones pointed to the post and Halfpenny did his team proud lifting the scores to 6-3.

The clock clicked down and the Welsh crowd began to sniff victory, thinking they were on for a try before the Wallabies cleaned up the scramble.

An out-wide penalty from Matt Toomua drew the scores level with moments to go, offering the dreaded draw. It was not meant to be though as Dan Biggar and his dance, kick the winning penalty.

The match could have gone either way, the score could have blown out had Halfpenny been more accurate earlier on, or had the Wallabies elected to kick for points rather than kick to the corner, where they would turn the ball over.

Sam Warburton talked about how important this match was for the Welsh, that winning this would give them the morale boost the need a head of the RWC next year. Now they have it and Cheika’s 3-0 pass mark standards now sit at 0-1. The Wallabies also sit at 3-8 for the 2018 season.

Italy and England to come.

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The Game Changer
Hooper not electing to kick for point proved once again to be the downfall. It may not have gotten the Wallabies the win but they would have had the lead early in the second that could have been the lift they need.

The G&GR MOTM
It really was a strong team effort with standout performances from many of the Welshman including Moriarty, Davies and the Back 3, but with his two early crucial penalties and all round strong performance that pushed Justin Tipuric to be the G&GR Man of the Match.

Wallaby watch
Samu Kerevi played like there is a plethora of talent pushing for the 13 jersey, he ran hard, carried and passed well and even chased the ball. DHP played a decent game too trying his best to find space and run straight.

The Details

Score & Scorers

Wales: 9
Tries: 0
Conversions: 0
Penalties: Halfpenny (2/4) Biggar  (1)
Australia: 6
Tries: 0
Conversions: 0
Penalties: Foley (1), Toomua (1)

Cards & citings
None

  • Ian Rodger

    I have never seen the wallabies kick as much ball away as they did today!! Absolute dogshit!!!

    Luckily it was one early evening here in Europe because I would have been pretty pissed if I had to get up in the middle of the night for this shit.

    • Pedro

      The weirdest kick was Beale chip and chasing with only knock on advantage with a minute or so to go. Could’ve easily called advantage over.

      • Ian Rodger

        That one was a headscratcher for sure but there were so many dumb kicks. It felt like they just wanted to boot it down field and hope for a lucky bounce or something!

    • I think that’s Cheika and Larkham’s novel response to the rush defence. Wales’ defence is pretty solid – I saw on Fox that they were awarding Tipuric MOTM over Pocock, as GAGR have and the BBC did. That says something about the Welsh loosies and the defensive line, as well as the Wobs attack.

      If they’re rushing up, chipping into the space behind, or kicking long so they have to turn and chase back while your players are running the right way is, in theory, a decent tactic. It can’t be your ONLY fucking tactic and it requires kicking to space. Of course Halfpenny and soon Anscombe were waiting for it, and Davies amongst others was sweeping efficiently on the chip kicks too. But the players and coaches seem too stupid to realise it’s not actually working and adjust. They then run the ball back and put up high kicks from the line for their players to chase… it didn’t necessarily work any better – too many of the kicks were the wrong length or too close to a safe pair of Wallaby hands, but I think that was nerves, conceptually they were better, just poorly executed whereas the Wobs kicks were wobbly in thought because there was only Plan A and once that was being read and defended it wasn’t working at all but they kept right on. What’s the first sign of madness again?

    • Alister Smith

      There was one period of exchange of kicks that reminded me of a game of force em backs that my brother and I (2 league forwards at the time) had against our Victorian AFL playing cousins – Wales were kicking and we just kept kicking it back at a deficit each time as if saying “look you have watched us play, it’s clear we don’t know what to do with it so you have it for a bit until we work it out” and Wales kept putting it back saying “That’s ok – you can have it a bit longer until you fuck it up again”.

      • Geoffro

        Why would they even contemplate getting in a kicking dual with the likes of Halfpenny and Anscombe who was kicking the leather off the ball from the get go.Another example of poor decision making

      • Simon

        I loved the Welsh commentator trying to puzzle out what the Wallabies were thinking with all that long kicking. He was stumped. His main error was he was starting from the assumption that the Wallabies actually had a plan.

  • Pedro

    Not disagreeing that kicking for touch wasn’t a big call but the turning point for me was when Simmons and Hannigan were introduced.

    • laurence king

      The ‘Blues Brothers’ because they give me the blues

      • Brisneyland Local

        LK good call, lets add that to the list of nicknames Hoss started.

        • Parker

          I prefer to think of Hanigan as Flotsam, something light that gets tossed about in the rough or just bobs about when it’s calmer.

        • Brisneyland Local

          Or Jetsam

        • Parker

          Jetsam is the much faster paced flanker who also gets pushed around at the breakdown.

    • Who?

      They weren’t introduced together, it’s just that the incompetent Welsh commentator had no idea what was going on. He noticed Maddocks on the field about 10 minutes after he arrived…

  • Patrick

    I was pissed off at missing this but I’m actually pretty sure it saved me two years and 10 pts of IQ so I don’t mind anymore.

    • laurence king

      I watched it, you missed less than nothing, the word, ‘nothing’ when used in relation to this performance by the Wallabies is too positive a term. A team composed of still living Wallabies from the 1960s would have put in a more composed performance.

    • laurence king

      It has cost me more than 10 points I can assure you

      • Patrick

        I appreciate your suffering!

    • Julesie Bolwell

      Literally just woke up after oversleeping and realising that I’d forgotten to get up and watch the game. Decided to watch the highlights instead and after that and reading the GAGR report I 100% agree with you

      • Geoffro

        There wasn’t any highlights,both sides were pretty crap.You missed nothing except a good dose of aggravation.

  • Nicholas

    Well that was pretty disappointing. Not much in attack. Defence was solid but that is because the Welsh didn’t offer much either. We were completely out kicked. Thank god we have Pocock and Willy G. The penalty that won the Welsh the game was stupid and fucking lazy by Hannigan. Hooper turning down a couple of kicks at goal as well. I can understand the first wanting to play positive rugby but the second??? We didn’t ever really look like breaking their goal line defence.

    Aside from Thor the bench failed to make an impact. Thought Coleman ran strongly but was then subbed off. Why are these decisions being made? Are they premeditated?

    Enough rambling i’m just getting more annoyed.

  • Gun

    I got up. It must be a condition of some sort.

  • Timbo

    Our attack looked insipid. No angles that weren’t cross field, crabbing, unable to deal with the rush defence. Kerevi was good but they kept him quiet. Foley was pedestrian and Beale ran more mtrs sideways than he did forwards.
    Genias delivery was ok but we need a half that is willing to clean out when needed. I’ve seen him more than any other half we have just pointing at the turnover being made against us.

    Wales weren’t anything special tonight but our terrible attack made them look good.

    Scrum got better, lat didn’t get carded and im sure there was something else positive to take away from this train wreck.

    Castle has to do something now. It’s no longer a pass mark

    • onlinesideline

      SACK CHEIKA NOW

      • Timbo

        Larkham is the issue here. As is Grey but the defence held tonight. That could just be that Dempsey was on the pitch though. Larkham was a great flyhalf but he had a dominant pack and the uncanny ability to slide through tackles. That hasn’t eventuated into our players being clones of him.

        • onlinesideline

          “Larkham is the issue here” – are you kidding me ?

        • Timbo

          Not at all. If I was kidding I’d say ‘a horse walks into a bar. Batman says why the long face?’
          Larkham is the attack coach right? Our attack sucked. I’m not saying Cheika is an issue but if we can’t play smart attacking footy, something is wrong

        • onlinesideline

          lol – kidding line
          Mate it falls on Cheika’s head. His assistants are his choice. If the buck doesnt stop with the main man, its doomed. Persisting with Larkham has been HIS CALL.

        • Pedro

          Larkham had a dominant pack my arse. We had no scrum and no maul defense in those days. Luckily we had an excellent lineout and George Smith for pilfers, but in the tight and in the scrum we were useless.

        • Bobas

          Yeah, Imagine Paul, Young and Baxter up against Kepu, TPN and Tupou.

          We really had a useless scrum until Robinson and Alexander stemmed the tide.

        • Geoffro

          Well now we have no flyhalf,no lineout and in the tight ? well if you call coughing up the ball useful….Maul defense ? Hoopers amazed look to the referee when he went through Wales shitty maul gave me a laugh but no.Compared to the sides Larkham had and even at the tailend of his career, this side is nowhere

        • Pedro

          I’m not saying this side is better, but you must be a lot younger than me if you think Larkham had a dominant forward pack to play behind.

        • Geoffro

          He played behind a world cup winning forward pack,not to mention a couple Bledisloes.That’s pretty dominant to me.

        • Pedro

          I take it your dad must’ve described what that era was like, for those of us that were there it was a little more nuanced.

        • Geoffro

          First took to a rugby field in 1965 at the tender age of 7.It was behind my time if anything.

        • Pedro

          Apologies for being a bit of a dick. I don’t want to make the obvious excuses.

          My point was that during the larkham era we often won without forward dominance. I can’t think of any other player that was able to win consistently without set piece parity more than Larkham. Many of the teams he played in were excellent, but the front rows the wallabies have had in the last 5 years are better than most that he had to play with. To suggest he relied on forward dominance to play as he did is laughable.

        • Geoffro

          Fair enough.He played alongside a some handy backlines too.

        • Pedro

          That’s the biggest difference for me. The skill level was one thing but we had fast guys that were often bigger than their opposite numbers. I don’t think that can happen anymore with modern hyper conditioning.

        • Brumby Runner

          And where does that leave Cheika’s pack, you know the one that made the RWC final in 2015 and is probably significantly improved now (bar one or two of the bench players)?

        • Nicholas

          Defence only held up because Wales didn’t have an attack either. Their attack was just as poor as ours. Maybe just maybe slightly worse then ours.

        • Seb V

          Cheika is the BIG issue here. Not Larkam. Sure Larkham has been a disappointment in the ‘attack’ coaching front, but at the end of the day this ALL falls back on the head coach who continually time-and-time again persists with the same personal, and same poor strategies. Absolutely Cheika’s to blame here.

        • dru

          That’s all good, but let’s not forget that Larkham is the heir apparent and we do not want to see Cheika lite 2.0 in time. If Cheika is shown the door he needs walking out with Bernie.

        • Who?

          Dempsey might’ve helped in defence, but on attack he was the idiot turning Welsh gang tackles into mauls, which he then collapsed, which gave them scrum feeds…

        • BF

          I have it on very good authority, Larkham wanted certain players picked/dropped, and Cheika’s response was: “no, person xxxx is playing, you make it work”.

      • laurence king

        Words to describe his management of this team, INEPT, HOPELESS, BRAIN DEAD, FANCIFUL …..

        • Brisneyland Local

          I add fucked to that list.

      • Kiwi rugby lover

        Mate, every time I see this I start giggling. You sir are gold

        • st saens

          SACK CHEIKA NOW

  • onlinesideline

    SACK CHEIKA NOW
    SACK CHEIKA NOW
    SACK CHEIKA NOW
    SACK CHEIKA NOW
    SACK CHEIKA NOW
    SACK CHEIKA NOW
    SACK CHEIKA NOW

    • laurence king

      Agreed, wholeheartedly agreed

      • onlinesideline

        Vote me up brother – oh you did – didnt see it

    • formerflanker

      I assume Hooper’s decisions to look for 7 when 3 are on offer are part of Cheika’s pre-match plan. If so, you are on the money.

      • onlinesideline

        I hear what your saying (I think)
        Bottom line – again,

        Hoopers captaincy is Cheika’s decision
        Larkhams appointment is Cheikas decision
        Grey appointment is Cheikas decsion
        Selections are Cheikas decsion

        SACK CHEIKA NOW

        • Geoffro

          Quade would have run rings around the wales backs but would any of the butterfingered support caught the bloody ball or run a decent line or not toed it through with some poncey little grubber (Beale,you’re a dick) or turned over posession at the next ruck..and don’t get me started on our kicking game , it was pathetic.

        • onlinesideline

          Part of QCs talent is feeding players in such a way that they can take the ball cleanly so disagree with you.

          KB comment is uncalled for. I agree is kicking wasnt good. Hes not being coached, selected well.

        • Geoffro

          I’ve seen these guys drop plenty of clean ball including this morning and nobody even the current lot would coach Beale to perform some of the shit he’s doing.Reserve FB maybe , get a bit of confidence back or whatever he’s lacking at the moment but he’s not reading the game at all

        • Geoffro

          I hear all of that so when Hooper or someone else turns around and says we trained really well during the week what do the selections get based on ? Perfomance on matchday ? Give Petaia,Banks,Samu or QC a run and they have an off day – gone for good ? It’s a slippery slope and I agree Cheika must shoulder the bulk of the criticism because there is something rotten in the state of the nation and he’s chief indian but for me the consistency of the players is an issue just as much.Inasmuch that Pocock is consistently good -whats his secret.We know some of these guys can turn in absolute blinders at times then their games turn to mud with fundamental errors.Don’t know the answer.

        • onlinesideline

          why is Cheika and the issue of “inconsistency of players” mutually exclusive ?

          HE picks them, he coaches them, he strategises them, he makes every call.

          It’s HIS team. The shocking results are HIS.

          NOT DROPPING Foley is HIS decesion.

          Sticking with the Pooper for 4 years is HIS DECISION.

          Where is the slippery slope ? – I dont see where you are coming from whatsoever. Coaches are responsible for picking dumb players, inconsistent players, wrong players, wrong combinations of players.

          All performce is traced back to one guy and one guy only. Inconsistent players ? agreee – then drop them. Did he do that after 3 years of it ? NO – Its his fault.

          The buck stops with him – his 9 lives are up. He has been afforded a ridiculous amount of space and time. He’s failed.

        • Geoffro

          I’m not a Cheika supporter you think replacing him is the silver bullet.Steve Hansen or Eddie Jones,Shmidt or any of the other “supercoatches” wouldn’t be able to coach the Wallabies to be world beaters with the raw materials they have to work with.If cheika or some other coach had carte blanche with the entire setup of australian rugby they might fare a bit better.I’ll change my tune entirely if he doesn’t drop Beale,Foley,DHP,Latu,Simmons and Hanigan for the next test and hopefully their replacements (not including AAC or Korobeite) play well enough to be retained for the Twickenham matchup.He tweaked the side slightly for this matchup against and most agreed it was for the better but we still got beaten by an ordinary Welsh side.You talk about dropping inconsistent players from the national side then talk up QC .Fair enough , I’d select Quade too because we’re desperate but good coaching selections shoudn’t necessarily be born out of desperation.The slippery slope ? Cheika selects all the players the armchair critics have been clamouring for and we get beat by Italy.Does he cop the blame or get congratulated for blooding them at least.Some of the young guys on the tour are good players but they’re nowhere near as good as some of the newer blokes playing for the AB’s and Irish since 2015 and the core of those sides that played at RWC 2015 remain.I’m just a bit sick of the Cheika bashing and a bit more accountability by the players themselves.If they can train well why can’t they translate that to the matchday ? or is everybody deluded and what they’re practising is just outdated completely incorrect drivel.Nobody in a (how many is it 50 odd) touring party says anything because they’re either too stupid or loyal or terrified in Cheika’s complete and utter autonomy

        • onlinesideline

          Mate, I respectfully totally disagree. You are are arguing the “we dont have the cattle” argument. IMO thats rubbish. We have the cattle to be 2 or 3 in the world. Other coaches would be doing a far far better job. Cheika has failed as a coach. Blooding a few players doesnt mean he is an acceptable coach. Additionally persisting with obvious selection failures fro 4 years now is just unacceptable. “Cheika bashing” existed 3 years ago.

          Just curious under what circumstances Cheika should go in your view ?

          We are 3 from 11 this year – if we lose against Italy and England next week are you still ok for Cheika to remain ?

        • Geoffro

          Hey,I wasn’t entirely saying we don’t have that cattle more that said cattle aren’t performing to their best ability – that was my main position.It’s inevitable that when a team isn’t performing to expectation for any reason no matter the sport that the coach is going to get the chop so it is goodbye Cheik but we do have high expectations don’t we ? How long has Gatland been coach of Wales ? (don’t give me the third in the world bullshit because we know IRB rankings are rubbish) He hasn’t got the chop because Welsh expectation has been lower than ours for the national side and dare I say that Welsh rugby supporters aren’t such a bloodyminded lot (competative wise) as your average Wallaby supporter or say English PL fan.Since our South African bretheren clamoured for the head of DeVilliers they’ve had another three coaches who have all failed to meet expectation in the eyes of their rabid supporters. regardless of the obstacles put in front of them by government policy.As a coach is judged by his results in the real world and our sporting standards are high so Cheika must go.I’m curious a bit why players whose future careers are heavily result driven still come out saying he has their full support.I don’t buy into the argument that they’re protecting their jobs,they’re contracted to RU not Michael Cheika though I s’pose the Quade saga makes a lie of that one

        • onlinesideline

          So you are saying our expectations are too high and we should be like Wales who have realistic expectations and that my point about being 7th probably 8th now is irrelevant ?

          You have missed 1 or 2 pretty important differences between us and Wales.

          1. We have been in the top 3 teams in the world and a major rugby super power admired the world over for decades.

          2. We have won 2 world cups and been in 4 world cup finals.

          Wales can’t boast either of the above. Why on earth should we have lower expectations and be satisfied with 3 wins from 11 matches this year ????

          You dont NOT sack a coach with a horrendous record in fear of another coach also failing. Thats what you are saying and that is absurd.

        • Geoffro

          Never said they are too high just that they are what they are. Sack Cheika,fine by me but there is no guarantee a new coach will turn the ship around until other issues are addressed.If the new coach can address those issues more power to him and a good decision has been made and if we keep losing we’ll call for his head until we find someone who can or until a new generation of better players has arrived on the scene

        • laurence king

          This team is less, much less than the sum of it’s parts, much less and that is a coaching problem. Add to that the weird selections and non selections and you have a recipe for disaster.
          I don’t think that this is a team, I think that players are just trying not to get sacked, and some players like Beale, Foley, Hanigan and Hooper know that their longevity in the side is only as long as Cheika’s tenure. I think that most of the rest of them are just hoping that the man just goes away

        • Gatland has been head coach of Wales for 10 years – it looks like 12, but he’s had 2 sabbaticals as head coach of the BIL. In that time Wales have won two Grand Slams, a third 6N championship and been runners up twice. When he goes away for BIL tours, they usually perform much worse.

          I’m sure every Welsh fan would love to win the RWC but come RWC years they’re usually ranked outside the top 4 and it’s a bit of a pipe-dream for them. But would you sack a coach who’d won 3/10 RC and come second in 2/10? Bear in mind this is a competition where England won comfortably last year and came 5th this year. It can be brutally tight.

          After the year Cheika’s had this year, Gatland would still be in trouble in Wales. When he switched from “Warrenball” there was a pretty poor year – but the public more or less tolerated it because a) over the course of the 6N they could see the side improve and b) he had a pretty long, pretty successful track record except against Australia and New Zealand. This year it pretty much paid off, with a second place in the 6N and, despite it being a terrible match, a win over Australia at last – good from the Welsh POV.

          The expectations of the Wallaby fans are higher. RWC wins, a recent history of fairly regular wins over the AB and so on… Wales has neither of those. Fans can be passionate but understanding. Welsh fans always want their side to win, same as Wallabies’ fan. But losing to the ABs isn’t “OMG WTF is wrong” especially if it’s a close or even half-decent match for them. For the Wobs, for the last few years, it mostly hasn’t been a decent match and the “OMG WTF is wrong” has been the right reaction though.

        • Human

          Geoffro I agree that cutting Cheika is not a silver bullet but it is a change and there needs to be change. As plenty have said, Cheika is the boss – he gets what he wants so must take responsibility eventually. I agree with you about the players – I do not understand how many of them can play the way that they do. If I coached a team that turned in two halves of rugby like they did in Salta, I would drop them all and rip up their contracts – because clearly they can play, they know how to play but they appear to only choose to play well when it suits them. Maybe I am wrong and they are playing to the plan – though I find it hard to believe that any plan could produce as inept a performance as we saw this morning and have seen previously this year. Cheika looks absolutely beaten – he appears incapable of finding a solution and the shit that Hooper spouted after the match can only send Cheika further into a dark hole. Still, it is Cheika who keeps Foley at 10 and Beale at 12; etc. He has to own it.

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          Our cattle isn’t nearly as bad as some try to make out.

        • Geoffro

          I know but some of them are bad enough that they can’t be carried and we still win.A bit more depth would be nice.

        • laurence king

          We have a whole bunch of players plying their trade in Europe and a good number of those would walk straight into this squad under a different regime.

        • Who?

          One of them was commentating this game (James Horwill was on the SBS feed).

        • Who?

          Geoffro, Cheika chooses the attacking structures (he either chooses them personally, or allows Larkham to choose them). Cheika chooses the defensive structures (ditto). Cheika chooses the lineout structures (why has he never coached a team with a strong lineout? Why are the Wallabies the weakest lineout of all our teams?). Cheika chooses the players.
          It’s not just selection. That’s only one component of it. But every component comes back to the person responsible for the team.
          Do you really think our players are playing to their potential? If so, then fair enough – it’s not Cheika. But I just don’t believe that this team is the sum of its parts. It’s currently playing way below that, and has done for much of the past few years.
          I’m not saying we beat the ABs every game. But I am saying we look like a team, rather than a bunch of individuals all constantly scrambling and with no connection.

        • st saens

          I’d just like to add…
          SACK CHEIKA NOW
          SACK CHEIKA NOW

          “Do you hear the people sing?
          Singing the songs of angry fans?
          It is the music of the people who will not be screwed again!
          When the beating of you heart
          Echoes the beating of the drums
          There is a life about to start
          When a new coach comes!

          Will you join in our crusade?
          Will you be strong and stand with me?
          Beyond this mess that Cheika made
          Is there a world you long to see?

          Then join in the fight
          That will give you the right to be free!

          Do you hear the people scream?
          Screaming the screams of angry fans?
          These are the cries of the fan base that will not be screwed again!
          When Cheika is done an gone
          With all his hangers-on.
          There is a life about to start
          When tomorrow comes!

          Do you hear the people sing?
          Singing the songs of angry me?
          It is the music of the people who will not be slaves again!
          When the beating of your heart
          Echoes the beating of the drums
          There is a life about to start
          When tomorrow comes”

          Vive le rugby
          Vive l’Australie

          SACK CHEIKA NOW
          SACK CHEIKA NOW

        • laurence king

          I do so love the chorus

        • onlinesideline

          Pulitzer prize 2018

        • laurence king

          I think the players stopped believing Chieka a long time ago but some of them know that they’ll be gone if Cheika goes, which accounts for Beale’s manic display

        • Geoffro

          Kurtley was the main cause of Link’s demise and he must know himself he’s playing some pretty rubbish footy Don’t think he’d care about a new regime. He’s just about ready for a Japan contract anyway

        • laurence king

          I also think that Beale is very much an intuitive player whereas Larkham was a very structured player. I think that it’s a very bad mix. Beale currently reacts now like someone having electric shock therapy.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          after today’s performance who the fuck would want him? His form has gone down and down this year and I think he’d be lucky to make a NPC team purely on performance.

        • Custard Taht

          I know the answer, to quote onlinesideline;
          #SACK CHEIKA NOW

      • laurence king

        Hooper’s interview post-match was disappointing, it seemed he has no comprehension of how badly this team are playing, in fact his readiness to use the language of spin completely undermines his credibility in my eyes.

        • Brisneyland Local

          Interesting point re language of spin. I notice this at work with the young Consultants we have in. straight out of Uni. Staight into a big 4. And they pick the language up and use it immediately. Not knowing that it is spin, and they think it is the lexicon of organisations. I think Hooper is in the boat. Straight into Professional rugby, then the captaincy at a young age. Lots of media training. He doesnt know any different.

        • formerflanker

          Agree completely.
          It speaks volumes for the captaincy skills of the likes of Trevor Allan, John Solomon, Ken Catchpole, John Thornet and Greg Davis who had to think for themselves on the field. They had to make quick decisions based on their own reading of the game and without extensive pre-match scenario workshopping. There were no electronic messages coming down from the coach. I think the coach wasn’t allowed on the field at half time either.
          All they had was their own experience and a nod from another senior player.
          Perhaps we could learn from the past.

        • Brisneyland Local

          very much so!

        • laurence king

          Happens with a lot of young teachers, think they’re world’s best and don’t know the subject matter.

        • Greg

          Laurence,
          You were a teacher I know but I would suggest it is a bit different.

          Young uni grads usually know the subject matter, they are usually smarter than me… but they need to learn about life. Managing conflict, motivating people, knowing what works and what doesn’t, knowing when to speak up and when not to. This is what you learn in life and much of it can’t be taught at school/uni.

          You need a mentor and you need to keep learning.

          I agree Hooper is in this boat. He has been missing the mentors to guide him through the challenges.

        • laurence king

          Greg, I have a lot of time for Hooper, but I was tremendously disappointed with his after game comments. It was spin, or/and an appalling lack of understanding of how poorly they played.

        • Geoffro

          Haha,he’ll probably wind up as a pundit on fox or whatever post career articulating to the great unwashed,script in hand.

        • Brisneyland Local

          Must admit I have little to do with the educators of the world, except for my childrens teachers and most of them are almost as old as me. They are old school.

        • laurence king

          It’s rather quaint in today’s education system if a child’s Maths or Science teacher has more than a passing understanding. I don’t think that I came across a new Art teacher over the last 20 years who could actually draw, same with Industrial Arts teachers and English teachers who can’t spell, don’t get me started.

        • Brisneyland Local

          Yep. I have poeple working for me with Masters degree’s that cant spell and dont understand the difeerence between there and their!

        • Brumby Runner

          Do they also blog on GAG Rugby? Many here don’t know the difference.

        • Brisneyland Local

          I dont think so! Most of them follow mongo ball or that horrible round ball game.

        • Geoffro

          Isn’t it an old saying that those that can’t do, teach (not having a shot at you)

        • laurence king

          I taught Art, Industrial Arts, PE, Drama regularly and I completely agree. My breadth of incompetence (I accidentally wrote incontinence at first) is staggering.

        • st saens

          Hi Laurence
          Ageing gracefully is indeed a challenge. I have a pact with myself (and quite possibly the devil) that when my incontinence exceeds my incompetence I will retire. So far incompetence is marginally ahead, so I keep plodding on, (though my office seems to have been shifted closer to the loos, bins and other smelly bits of the building) :(

        • laurence king

          st saens, I work happily in my studio, no co-workers to embarrass myself in the presence of and kept away from the general public that frequent the gallery. My wife thinks it’s better that way.

    • sambo6

      Im gonna try for a sensible post. that was the most winnable game of rugby ive seen in year. it was an armwrestle….but both sides lack bal carriers to gewt over the gain line……also……the number os times our runners were isolated is embarrassing…….

      wales outbored us and deserve the win. randwick my arse

      • st saens

        I once responded sarcastically to a David Lord column glorifying the greenish-golden days of the Galloping Greens with…”what’s a Randwick?” Some imbecile with a germ line mutation leading to total loss of the sarcasm gene, suggested I look up Randwick Rugby on the internet.
        For gawd’s sake…Australian rugby will only be strong when we can all agree to shaft parochialism…Randwick, Sydney Uni (don’t know which are the snobbish Brisbane clubs, but them too, NSW, Qld etc etc). We have to …
        1) choose the best available coach(es) (local or o/s)
        2) pick the best players (curly blondes or hard arsed b’st’ds)
        3) and above all, shaft those idiots at St Leonard’s and base the head office of RA at Narrabri or Cunnamaulla or Kalgoorlie

        • sambo6

          I remember that response on the roar a few weeks ago. That’s was a good response to one of the most ridiculous articles lord has written. And that’s saying something given his recent body of work!

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          Why don’t we base RA not in either NSW, QLD or VIC? Obviously I’m biased as an ACT-based person, but basing RA in WA would be a good goodwill gesture after how WA have been treated recently.

        • Bakkies

          Coober Pedy so we don’t have to look at the building.

        • John Miller

          Coober Pedy to Mosman is a sh!t fight in peak hour.

      • Who?

        I’d agree, but I can’t. Our front rows – both of them – gave us great front foot ball. But our attacking structures either wasted it, or failed to clear the ball quickly enough (i.e. we didn’t match numbers in the breakdown quickly enough).
        Also, we didn’t learn enough from our game against Wales last year, where they continually tried to hold us up and maul. Last year, we were too high in the tackle and got held up and driven back. This year we were lower, but we had players – primarily Jack Dempsey – consistently piling in and forming mauls, which we then managed to collapse, and Wales forced the turnover. It was just dumb, dumb, dumb play.

    • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

      If RA had listened to us they would have fired him in July 2016 and we would have had almost 3 seasons with a good coach.

      Now, it’s basically too late.

      • Parker

        It’s never too late to get better and to take the actions necessary for that to begin.

  • Brisneyland Local

    Well GAGR’s, my old man bladder went off at exactly 0255. I thought hey whilst I am up, I may as well sneak out to the 80 inches of love and see what is going on in the game. Gee I wish I hadn’t. That was complete and utter horse shit. That was insipid and totally amateur. How the fuck some of those dickheads on the field are getting paid inxs of $500k is just the lunacy of Australian Rugby. Be prepared for some bad language GAGR’s because that was just fucked:
    – Firstly congrats to the Taffs. They wanted int more, the played harder and took their opportunities. They kicked smarter, and made a lot less errors.
    – Lets face fact, with the Ass Clown Cheika in Charge did we expect anything different. I stated last week, Wales by 5. I was close.
    – Fucking Hooper can not be Captain. Two penalties, two kicks for touch, we fuck up both of them. If the team were playing better, or were NZ, do it. We know we are going to fuck it up, and we do it twice. TAKE THE FUCKING POINTS.
    – Beale. Fuck me roman what does this guy have to do to get dropped. He was utter shite. Running sideways, bad passes, cant fucking tackle. X factor. Yes if the scientific equation of X=shit! But as we know X on an X Y graph is the horizontal line. And that is appropriate for Beale as he can only run horizontal.
    – Foley can not be our 10. His attack is weak, his defence and tackling were utter dog shit. He can not orchestrate a attack. Again what does this guy have to do to be dropped. The moment Toomua came on things improved. Foley just can not kick in play. His kicks were very short. They did not find touch twice or went straight down the throat of a fullback / winger. He doesn’t understand when to tactically kick. What is worse when we are being pressured deep inside our 22, we pass it back a further 10 m to Foley who then kicks it fuck all and we have relieved a grand total of 5-10m pressure of our self. WTF.
    – Again with the droppsies! Just crap.
    – Fucking Hannigan. Comes on and his first real engagement in the game in a lazy flop on a player and costs us three points. He is shit and should not be in the team.
    – Our line out. Fuck me. That was appalling!
    – The positives. Pocock was fantastic. As always. Genia was solid and good in both attack and defence. Our scrum was much better in the second half. And over all I thought our defence was better. Mind you I thought Wales’s attack wasn’t the best I have seen it, in comparison to previous games.
    – We can not take these coaches to the world cup. Between now and then you will lose what very few Wallabies fans we have left. And that we can not afford. The people on this site will all be in mental institutions because we are rugby addicts and cant help ourselves and will always watch these fucktards play. But the damage it will do to our psyche’s will be untold.
    – RA have no alternative now. They must step in.
    I am really annoyed. But I don’t know why I am because that was pretty much what I predicted. Over to you GAGR’s!

    • onlinesideline

      SACK CHEIKA NOW

      • Brisneyland Local

        Concur fully. I was onboard that train over a year ago. If more people had listened we wouldnt be here now!

        • onlinesideline

          Time for a blanket media call for Cheikas head.
          This forum has alot of readers.
          Its about upvotes mate

          SACK CHEIKA NOW

        • Bakkies

          So was I and was called out for being negative.

        • Brisneyland Local

          Yes you were onboard and I duly remember that. It was good not to be the only passenger on that train!

        • Brumby Runner

          Not being smug, but I’ve been after Cheika’s sacking for at least three years when he was widely (by Tahs fans) being lauded as The Great Cheika to which I countered with The Great Charlatan. I notice there seems to be a distinct absence of Tahs fans now posting regularly on game threads. I wonder if they find too much bile stuck in their throats?

        • laurence king

          I am a Tahs fan BR and was an avid Cheika supporter and how was my faithfulness rewarded. I was jilted and now like a spurned lover I seek recompense. Nothing less than his exit will satisfy

        • Brisneyland Local

          BR, sincerest apologies. I have been back through the previous write up and yes you were along witn me and a couple of others probably the earliest of the Anti Cheika squad. Long may you rule!

        • GeorgiaSatellite

          I’m a Tahs fan but haven’t wanted him in charge since we went 0-3 to a clinical but uninspiring SD outfit while playing the same game plan for 240 minutes.

        • Bakkies

          He should have gone after the Scotland flogging.

        • Brisneyland Local

          Yep.

        • st saens

          I wanted him gone as soon as the player revolt took Link’s head. My son Tom can verify that!!!
          And, furthermore I had to lick road clean with tongue.

        • Bakkies

          Are you suggesting that Cheika was playing politics?

        • st saens

          “No NEVERR!! And the watch (the Chinese watch) will ready at midnight …muvver”

      • Hoss

        I am having trouble detecting your themes today mate, there’s definitely a commonality to it, but it’s all a bit vague.

        • onlinesideline

          its time mate – no analysis, no more expressions of emotion.
          Media blitz is needed. Journos read this forum.

          #SACKCHEIKANOW

      • NickAJW

        When I were a lad, we were born wanting Cheika gone, we used to have to recite it ten times every night or the old man would flog us… but if you were to tell that to the youth of today, they wouldn’t believe you.

    • disqus_NMX

      I didn’t bother watching it, why would I, I already knew it would be dog shit with Cheika still in charge. Had a good night’s sleep instead, knowing full well I could enjoy my breakfast watching Oz lose in the highlights and reading the comments here. Sadly, I fist pumped when Wales won… not because I’m a traitor, but because the only chance of Cheika being replaced is if we lose all three tour games (even then, it’s only a slim chance). I am wondering what waffle bullshit is going to come out of Raylene’s mouth to justify keeping Cheika now that her “pass mark” has been failed already.

      • Brisneyland Local

        I dont blame you for fist pumping. I felt the same way to be honest.

      • Dex Stewart

        Did the same when Fiji beat us in one of the RWC’s : got rid of a shit coach.

    • Wales, in as much as you can say a side deserves to win, deserved that, but I think the long record of consecutive defeats were playing with their minds and they looked nervous in attack to me. However, they seemed to make more chances and fewer mistakes (except with goal kicking a bit) and they pragmatically took their points.

      Hanigan’s penalty was his second action, his first was to get a “tackle” burst through for a 10m or so gain down the side line. I don’t remember who it was, but it wasn’t a player you would pick to burst through a tackle particularly. Two years ago, or was it only last year, the torture has blurred my memory, I was all for giving Ned a slightly longer run. But he doesn’t seem to have improved and he doesn’t have what it takes. He might learn with different coaches around him but he’s not doing it in Australia.

      Given the match in Wales was played under the roof, the skill level seemed worse than at Twickenham. That match was played in the pouring rain, where the odd loose pass and dropped ball, even from professional players is to be expected, because wet fingers and wet leather don’t make perfect contact.

      Ms. Castle’s pass mark has been missed. I find myself in the odd position of hoping for a loss to Italy, although that’s unlikely, and the really, really uncomfortable of hoping the fucking Sais win a match. If Cheika fluffs his pass marks 0-3 instead of 3-0, will they actually take action? They might finally be inspired to do something after that earlier statement. Politicians can row it back but can RA?

      • Brisneyland Local

        A loss to Italy is possible EP. I was there at Suncorp. For the want a of very bad referump decision, the Italians would have won that game. And we are worse than then!

        • I guess so. I just watch Italy fail to deliver in the 6N so often but the Wobs can’t beat any of them now… why should Italy, who are improving under O’Shea, be any different.

        • Brisneyland Local

          Spot on!

        • Who?

          Aren’t Italy 4 from 22 under O’Shea..?
          Oh, and I believe it was only last year for Hanigan, because he debuted last year. Fardy was there in 2016.

        • 6 from 26 actually.

          However, when in a competition like the 6N (or the Rugby Championship) you can lose and show signs of improvement. Would you argue that Los Pumas, who have a pretty awful record still, have improved over their years of playing and, three years ago, were good value for a semi-final in the RWC in England?

          When the 6N was first created, Italy were a borderline tier 1 side and would not always finish last. They have managed to beat all the other sides in the contest, except England. For five of the last 7 years, they have been dismal, and tumbled down the world rankings, been an easy beating for everyone and had serious conversations that they should be swapped for Georgia – who keep winning the shadow 6N and are higher than them in the rankings. O’Shea has started to turn that around. Sides have to play to beat them, they stuffed Georgia yesterday fairly comfortably, and there is a plan for developing young talent that is starting to bear fruit.

          They will probably never rise to the top of the rankings, they will probably never make a RWC semi-final and may never make it out of the pools. But that doesn’t mean O’Shea hasn’t taken a team that were doing what the Wobs are currently doing – falling down the rankings and playing like a bunch of muppets – and started to turn them into a cohesive side. He doesn’t have the talent pool or the depth that Cheika has – Italy really only has the depth for one side in the Pro 14 although they are running 2.

          Thanks, it just feels like longer that Cheika has picked Hanigan when he shouldn’t have been!

        • Who?

          Completely agree that you can develop whilst losing. The Pumas have done both – developed whilst losing, and then regressed whilst losing, and now they’re progressing again. I’d be happy with the losses if we were developing, but we’re not.
          That said, if we go and lose to a team that’s won 6 from their last 26…

    • Mishad

      Allow me to continue…
      – The team unable to adapt to game in front of them and instead play repeated training like drills passing to marked players, or stand around instead of to rush in to clean out behind their tackled team mate.
      – Own lineouts lost (again), own scrums lost (again), own rucks lost (again), own mauls lost (didn’t know you could lose a maul so many ways but they made it happen).
      – Coleman running upright into contact repeatedly.
      – Oh and lets not forget Genia’s great play of standing and watching Wales reach over and pilfer the ball not 0.5m away, while he watched eating popcorn. Is there a rule I don’t know about that halfbacks are not allowed to enter a ruck? To be fair Genia also took some great ball (when he shouldn’t have to) and was everywhere on the park, but it’s not the first time I’ve seen us lose possession because of his reluctance to clean out when our support are no where to be seen.

      So basically anything related to offense was shit.

      I still can’t make up my mind whether our defense was good or if Wales attack was just also shit – probably the latter.

      Who we playing next week? Italy? Now that would be a close match!

      • Brisneyland Local

        Cocnur.
        For next time if you are continuing my points, you have to swear like me too!
        ;-)

        • Mishad

          Will do, but careful what you wish for…I grew up on the taste of soap!

        • Brisneyland Local

          You are not on your pat malone there. And it didnt work!

      • Dex Stewart

        We’re waiting for Howley to bugger off and Pivac/Stephen Jones to take over. Edwards has created a very hard working and coherent Defence – hopefully Pivac will be working with the team by the time the RWC comes around.

        • Mishad

          The Wales defence definitely is working, as it showed up the attacking flaws in the Wallabies. Hope the change in coaches doesn’t affect their upward progression.

      • Who?

        I’m wondering if Cheika and Larkham have indeed told Genia not to go into the ruck, because it’s so consistent. You’d think if it were an issue, they’d either hook him or drop him. :-

        • Mishad

          True, good point. I can’t see Genia with his experience and courage to not dive in there, so you’re probably right.

    • Parker

      The coach has lost the grandstand, forget the dressing room.

      • laurence king

        He’s a laughing stock, and every international coach is sending him Best Wishes cards and telling him to hang in there.

        • Brumby Runner

          That’s true. The commentary team (minus Big Kev) on SBS was truly laughing at Cheika’s antics when shown on the screen.

        • Bakkies

          The only reason to watch the car crash.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Mate that’s why the Argies let them win in Salta. It guarantees Cheika in charge at RWC and they know they can beat him then and advance. With Wales playing so bad they’re actually looking good to top their pool and have an easier run to the finals.

      • Brisneyland Local

        Very very true.

    • sambo6

      I want to add taniela toupou to the positives…..

      • Brisneyland Local

        Yes I should have included him. He certainly made the scrum more offensive. You are correct.

    • Dangerous Dave

      Hanigan was held by the player he tackled and then pinned by then next welsh player.
      No one tried cleaning him out and created a penalty for themselves.

      • Brisneyland Local

        Whether or not he was held, he flopped down and made no visual attempt to make it look like he was trying to roll away, hence he was pinged!

      • Kiwi rugby lover

        They don’t have to mate. It’s the tacklers responsibility to roll clear.

      • Bakkies

        It was awful technique after making a tackle that’s why you are coached that as a kid.

      • Dex Stewart

        Watch Hannigan lying there like a lazy twat – and then forward on to JD2 being in the same position, and instantly throwing himself over to the other side of the player, thereby avoiding being pinned. Make the fucking effort.

    • Kiwi rugby lover

      Mate, I think unless Cheika actually falls on his sword we are going to have to put up with this shit until we get kicked out of the WRC next year.

      Personally I’d have Toomua at 10, Kerevi at 12, Peaia 13, Folau 14, DHP/Banks 15, DHP/Banks 11

      • Brisneyland Local

        Yeah that works for me.

    • Custard Taht

      All these failures were raised before the game, they are same failures for the last 3 years. This team is putrid, and poorly coached. If Cheika, Grey and Larkham are the answer, them then question is fucked. Rugby Aus can no longer afford to not SACK CHEIKA NOW.

      • Brisneyland Local

        Absolutely.

    • Who?

      Our scrum was fine all game, the penalties against us could’ve easily gone the other way.
      Jack Dempsey is not a clever lad. Clearly doesn’t understand the laws of the maul, had no idea that Wales were looking to create mauls, so he consistently was the second Wallaby in and then collapsed the maul, creating turnovers. Dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb!
      Nice to see Prince Harry laying a wreath at Twickers…

  • onlinesideline

    SACK CHEIKA NOW

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  • Jy

    For me the turning point was the useless kicking dual that we were never going to win, right at the point where the game was open for the taking by either team. Having hanigan come off the bench as opposed to someone like samu is a joke too. At the very least it would be nice to have the selector they spoke about come in as of this week.

  • Human

    Eddie Jones will now be more insufferable before we play the Dodgers.

    • Brisneyland Local

      He is smelling blood in the water, and rightly so.

  • Hoss

    I can offer no humour or insite today – only questions

    1. Just what does Gilbert have to do to be substituted or dropped ? We look ok at time but EVERY time he got the ball he was manic and looked to do 15 things at once. His is a cluttered, fried brain. Fuck him off for a while – a long while.he hasn’t been in form since the Irish series.
    2. Surely we’ve seen the last of Rob Simmons. 120kgs of pure, unadulterated soft-cock.
    3. Hooper you fucking idiot – penalties are worth 3 points – not to prove how fucking egalitarian you are. Take the points
    4. What did Wynn-Jones do at that scrum that got Poey so riled – never seen that before
    5. Genia. – I know your little girls paints your nails – how bout getting them in a ruck from time to time – fucking showboat.
    6. Lastly – my question without notice to the Pirate. If ‘three from three is the pass mark’ – what happens now?? Let me guess……rhymes with absolutely fucking nothing???

    So disgusted I took the flag down – fuck em, fuck em all.

    • Nicholas

      I heard on the broadcast something along the lines of “leave the fucking half back” maybe they were giving Willy a hard time?

      • Human

        Nah mate, that was Steve Hansen referring to A Smith in the dunny at Twickenham.

        • Nicholas

          Haha. Tip of the cap.

      • Hoss

        It’s not just this game mate. I understand it’s not his role, but surely it’s encumabnt in all men in gold to act like a sensible parent in Cessnock – secure the pill for your loved ones first – then play.

      • Who?

        AWJ lashed out at Genia with his boot as Genia walked by immediately before Pocock got over AWJ, who got up swinging. Grubby stuff from a bloke who I’ve seen do similarly stupid stuff before. Don’t have much respect for the bloke. Should also be cited for his forearm fend to Foley’s throat (30 minutes) – seen SH players cited for that before…

    • Alister Smith

      120kgs of pure, unadulterated soft-cock …. it’s been ten minutes and I am still laughing

    • muffy

      I might paste this on my Facebook status and claim these fine words as my own…

    • Greg

      “4. What did Wynn-Jones do at that scrum that got Poey so riled – never seen that before”

      What time was that @HossRugby:disqus ?

      Alternatively maybe he was just pissed-off at people dropping the ball and not taking points on offer?

      • Hoss

        Will watch again mate – it was when the Abattoir came on and we got a scrum penalty. Poey is standing over Jones and mouthing something and pointing – something must have happened.

    • Keith Butler

      Very restrained Hoss. Two solid defences nullified what attacking potential the teams had. The Wobblies loads of fancy footwork and pretty running lines that disappeared uptheir own arses. Meanwhile at Twickers the SDs nearly pulled a fast one on the Nearlies. A marginal offsidecancelled out a try that could have won the game but let down again by poor game management anda crap line out in the 2nd half. Retallick awesome. We could still come unstuck when we clash in a couple weeks. Plenty of time to stitch EJs and Cheika’s lips together.

      • Hoss

        Hi KB, your second team were stiffed on that offside call.

        The French still feel guilt for the Rainbow Warrior and help the Nearlies where they can.

        They will towell us up

        • Keith Butler

          Cheers Hoss. The TMO was a Saffa obviously smarting from last week or so my conspiracy theory goes.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Maaaaate! That off side was absolutely spot on. The real issue for me was why it took 80 minutes for the referee to rule on it. The joy of reading the English press disappear up their own arse on this has been the highlight of my day.

        • Andy

          I was happy with the result but that call could have gone either way imo. As close as it gets.

        • Hoss

          From the gent with only two eye colours – both nearly All Black…..

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          absofriggenlutely

    • Brisneyland Local

      To attempt to answer your questions:
      – I am sure gilbert has a video of Cheika, and everyone on the RA board. Because he only gets fined $45k where anyone else would have been banished from the sport. Drink driving. Punching out his captian drunk on the bus. the list goes on and on. And none of it now has to do with him being a fnatastic player, because he is farked. He is a farking tool.
      – Rob Simmons needs some viagra!
      – Hooper shouldnt be captain and that has been known for at least 18 months now.
      – Agree re Pooey. I have never seen him cranky.
      – Genia needs to get involved at the rucks, but the piggies need to being doing theirs and they werent!
      – We are screwed.

      • Hoss

        I would love a job like Cheikas – no accountability, no consequence for severe and complete underperformance. His performance reviews must be all the same – ‘promises better next year’

        3 from 11 and not much chance of finishing better than 4/13. A 29% win rate heading into a RWC year.

        Yep, we are screwed. Do you think RA will send us a card or chochies first or just jump straight on for a dry hump ?

        • laurence king

          Get someone else to taste the Chochies first Hoss.

        • Brisneyland Local

          I think they will go the dry hump.
          We are screwed.
          I would also love a job like the Ass Clowns. Get paid $1mil per year and not have to produce any results or at least not be accountable for anything that I do.
          Where do i sign up.

        • Andy

          I think they just need to bite the bullet and get a Vern Cotter or a Dave Rennie in asap. I’ve been a big supporter of Cheika since he got the gig as a I was with McKenzie but the current record, the lack of improvements and the fact the team is clearly regressing year on year says we need a refresh.

          It’s not all his fault mind you. The well documented issues with RA, pathways and the Super Rugby teams doesn’t help his case but he really has lost the plot imo. The attack, defence and the tactics are a complete shambles and it’s embarrassing watching a wallabies team constantly play like this.

        • laurence king

          The team is less than the sum of it’s parts with Cheika in charge, that suggests to me that it’s a coaching problem. A team doesn’t start playing this badly overnight, it started ages ago.
          It seemed to me that the players weren’t playing as a team, just playing to stay in it. Foley, Beale, Hooper, Hanigan know that they will be gone when Cheika goes and from the way that Beale’s play has become more and more manic is a clear indication of this. How could players watch Beales antics, Foley’s pop gun clearances etc and not become disenchanted? The players inability to focus have been poor for quite a while and this also points to wholesale disatisfaction. I don’t think that most of the players believe in the program.
          I don’t think that we need to go out of Australia to sort this out, after all these guys were playing a whole lot better in their SR outfits.I’d go for Laurie Fisher as Forwards coach, Gary Ella as backs coach and bring in a new defense coach and these guys be the three selectors.

        • Andy

          Fisher would sort the breakdown out that’s for sure.

        • laurence king

          I think that the players would start having fun again and get their minds uncluttered. Both Fisher and Ella would simplify the process and that would have to be a good thing

        • Bakkies

          I don’t think that Gary Ella has coached since he left Leinster and that was before Cheika got there.

        • laurence king

          He assisted Jones with the English side for awhile. I think that he would simplify things quite a bit, couldn’t be worse. Larkham was a brilliant player but also very structured. Someone like Beale is far more intuitive and it’s a bad mix. I think that there was a comment from someone close to the players that their heads are full of instructions.

        • Bakkies

          That was Glen who assisted Eddie.

        • Who?

          Beale is really intuitive, but he played his best Rugby at 10 under Link. Who loves creating a structure for his 10’s, but gives them permission to break it if they see opportunity. So I don’t see that Larkham creating structure should be an issue for Beale, in fact, I think giving Beale freedom is the bigger issue. When he has freedom, he feels he has to do everything all at once, panics, and plays manically. Tell him what to do, reduce his options, and he’s move likely to take the right one.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          With that 6 year signature on the line do you think RA will let Hooper go? I think his reputation has been so tarnished that he’d be better off doing a Quade and staying in Australia playing club rugby as there’s no way he’d get a look in overseas for the same money based on the last couple of years of utter shit that he’s delivered.
          p.s. I’d put Folau there too. Personally I think he’s probably better but he hasn’t done jack shit this year and I think it’s more of a mental issue as he realises that his great physical skills and athleticism are not taking him where he needs to be and he’s not getting the coaching he needs to improve.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Mate, with this bunch of underperforming bunch of precious pansies who the fuck would take the job on leading into the RWC? For someone like Rennie or Cotter to take on this job they’d have to have permission to get rid of 3/4 of the run on team and be allowed to set some iron standards with immediate sackings if standards weren’t reached. Nothing else will get the changes that are needed.

    • Custard Taht

      Not sure, but I think the Welsh said they went Big 5 hunting in Africa and cleared 23 football fields of forest in the Amazon.

      • Bakkies

        The YouTube clip of Scott Baldwin patting a Lion’s head should still be up.

    • GO THE Q REDS

      4. I think he kicked Genia.

    • Who?

      AWJ threw a boot out at Genia as he ran past. Pocock saw it and immediately told off AWJ. If you listen to Pocock’s last word near the ref, you can hear him saying something like, “Keep your (inaudible) away from our halfback.” It was pretty grubby stuff from AWJ.
      Genia, I’m wondering if he’s been instructed to stay out? Because it’s just too consistent. Otherwise, surely, he’d be hooked or dropped after some of the times he’s failed to engage in the last few weeks.

  • Dave P

    and now we play Italy. Even when we are in decent form they can bring us down with their scrappy play. Now we are playing shit they will be eyeing off a wallaby hide to put next to the springbok one they picked up last year.

    • laurence king

      Our poo doesn’t even have any icing sugar on it anymore.

      • Brisneyland Local

        The glitter has been rubbed off our turds.

        • laurence king

          One of my sons complained that the food that I dished up every night was brown and tasted the same and the comment was echoed by his two younger brothers, so what do you think my response was. Pure Cheika, I dished up more of the same.

        • Brisneyland Local

          Pure gold.

        • laurence king

          They didn’t appreciate my culinary talents

        • Brisneyland Local

          They never do.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          That’s brilliant

        • laurence king

          Thank you Krl, true story

  • Silver Ghost

    Thanks Dylan
    Understand you were at the game.
    Given the game was shit, maybe you could do a colour piece for us that have never been to millennium stadium.
    Anything to distract us from the state of our National team.

    • dru

      It’s been many years but I managed two Wallaby games at Millenium with Welsh mates – awesome stadium, awesome ambience. The Welsh singing is worth the ticket price alone.

    • Adrian

      Sad Silver

      Just when it looks like we eradicate one constant issue (eg poor defence) we resurrect another (terrible kicks by inept kickers….and more)

      Real score should have been 15-12, but still a loss against world #3.

      We are just no good any more!

      My view is it is 50% a coaching issue, 20% a selection issue, 20% skill issue, 10% captaincy.

      • Brisneyland Local

        I agree with those percentages Adrian. But to commonise it, as selection is purely cheika’s mantra. It is 70% a coaching issue.

        • Adrian

          Exactly BL

          Assuming the coach won’t be sacked immediately, and assuming the same squad, I think that Italy game has to be to some degree a rehearsal for England….both tactics-wise and selection-wise.

          Tactics MUST be the ONLY tactics the coach understands, and selections must match…and take account of current form. Selections need to involve Gordon and Petetia, and hopefully Valetini, though he’s not officially in the squad:

          I think:
          Kepu
          Latu
          Tuopo
          Coleman
          Roda
          Dempsey
          Pocock ©
          Valetini
          Gordon
          Toomua
          Korebette
          Kerevi
          Petetia
          Naivalu
          Folau

          Bench: TPN, Alaalatoa, Sio, Arnold, Samu, Genia, AAC, Beale.

          Hooper rested, but on bench v England

          Swap Genia for Gordon v England, with a rocket up his arse to clear ball quickly

          Obviously not everyone’s cup of tea, but I’d try it

        • Brisneyland Local

          Makes sense. I think that that would make sense.

        • Brumby Runner

          Not bad Adrian, but how does Latu keep his spot after such a poor lineout throwing display on the weekend. Both he and TPN were primarily responsible for the overthrown lineout losses to Wales.

          And I wouldn’t start with Coleman. He is severely out of form and turns the ball over too often with his upright running posture. On the bench to come on for either Arnold or Rodda after they have exhausted themselves.

          I also think the Kepu/Tupou combination is best left until the second half of the game, as now. They are more effective off the bench (especially Tupou who has struggled when starting) and the current starting front row is not a weakness in the side. Late in the game, the scrum statistics were, 5 scrums won on feed to both sides, 1 lost by both sides, and 1 scrum penalty against Wales to three against the Wallabies, two of which could easily have gone our way with another referee. The scrum was not the problem some are saying.

        • Adrian

          Thanks Brumby.
          I actually didn’t think Latu was that bad, throwing included. Commentators on SBS said first poor throw was a calling mix up.
          I know what you mean re Coleman, but I thought he was better than in last few games.
          I’d start Tuopo v Italy to get him more used to it, that’s all. Idea of Kepu starting is to help Tuopo psychologically.
          I agree with you, I thought our scrum was ok generally, and they got rough calls.
          Overall though, we have to use more direct attacking plays, as we have guys that can do it

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Mate I like a lot about this team and although I’d have Genia start the 10, 12 and 13 are spot on. I wouldn’t have Koroibete at all, I think he should be back in the NPC learning how to play. I’d have Banks and Maddocks at the 11 and 15 with Naivalu staying at 14. I also don’t agree with Latu, his throwing was shit. I’d have Fainga as the starting hooker.

      • Custard Taht

        But 100% a Cheika problem

  • Greg

    Congratulations to Wales. Nothing flashy. Just reliable.

    Two kickable penalties turned down.
    Two passes dropped cold
    Hannigan lying all over a $@$@ player in front you your own sticks.

    We gave that game away.

    Much of what we did was ok to good. 3 poor decisions and two basic skills issues.

    Why?

    What to do?

    1. Hooper cannot be allowed to make penalty decisions
    2. practice catching the ball
    3. Replace Hannigan

    We threw that one away.

    • Human

      We did but Halfpenny also missed two that he would normally kick in his sleep.

      • Greg

        All we can do about that is not give away the penalties.

        Taking the kicks was completely under our control. Dropping the pill cold was completely up to us.

        Surely Hannigan needs to get some more strength, weight and experience?

        • Human

          Fair points

    • Brisneyland Local

      Hooper can not be allowed to be captain. Full stop

    • Dangerous Dave

      The Hanigan penalty wasnt him lying all over the ball, he was held down by the welsh player he tackled if you look at it from the right angle.

      • laurence king

        He’s a big bloke, he could have tried and would have succeeded if he’d acted with a bit of urgency

      • GO THE Q REDS

        Wrong. …. the Welsh player only licked him in late. He had plenty of time and you can clearly see he makes a call to lay sly dog back into the ruck….. then gets trapped.

      • Dex Stewart

        There was a similar incident in involving JD2 at the other end – and he threw himself over to the other side before an Aussie could trap him. Gatland requires one main thing from his players – work hard. Hannigan had time, but didn’t work hard enough at getting out of the way. If you watch Welsh players at rucks, there’s almost always one person with their hand on the pill for a 2-second count: that’s how they create slow ball for the opposition, not just lying there like a dickhead

  • Human

    On a positive note…
    Genia started the match passing quickly off the deck. He went back to his old habits after the break sadly.
    Gilbert was not hit in the head.
    Dempsey, Pocock and Kerevi came through unscathed.
    The early ball movement and running had some intent – sadly it only lasted 15 minutes before the normal rubbish returned.

    The negatives…
    Too many to list but my main ones were:
    Forwards standing about watching Wales climb all over our solo runner because that is the pattern they use in that part of the field at training.
    Forwards being held up and turned over.
    Genia – I love him – but his nonchalance around the ruck kills me.
    Sideways running…I have never before seen a Wallaby side do this….it is brainless and unacceptable.

  • Bakkies

    Cheika and Hooper have to go.

    Gutted for Seán O’Brien breaks his arm in his first test in a year against Argentina.

  • Will

    We could go 0-3 on this tour. Does anyone even care anymore?

    • onlinesideline

      We are definitely losing 2. If an Italy win is enough to keep his job then RA dont deserve the support of Australias rugby community whatsoever. Its beyond absurd. I really am starting to think Cheika does indeed have some dodgey photos in the safe.

  • Pedro
  • Simon

    Pretty much the definitive Cheika Wallabies game. It was almost the complete package – unreliable setpiece, poor decision making, basic handling errors, aimless kicking and dumb penalties. Throw in a couple of Tahs beyond their paygrade, no Cheika test would be complete without that.

    The only thing missing was poor defence. The Wallabies mostly held up well in defence which seemed to stem from a lack of imagination by the Welsh backs and from the fact both sides were committing a lot of bodies to the breakdown which resulted in unusually slow ball.

    Even a month ago, Kerevi’s hit on Halfpenny would have been a minimum yellow and probably a red. He was just lucky the new trial laws have taken effect which removed the TMO’s power to influence O’Keeffe. Overall I thought O’Keeffe had a pretty good game bar a couple of dubious penalties.

    • laurence king

      Summed it up pretty well Simon, Cheika is probably the most consistent international coach going around.

    • GO THE Q REDS

      Let’s not forget the big Cheika blowup over a refs call(at scrum time)….. only to be shown 5secs latter the refs were 100% correct……

  • onlinesideline

    Raelene Castle is starting to look RIDICULOUS AND WEAK.

    The spotlight is now SQUARELY on her !

    What is this lady doing letting this go on ??????

    Why is she seemingly above scrutiny ?

    The code is continuing to fall apart on HER WATCH.

    Raelene Castle – DO SOMETHING !!!!!!!!!

    • Bakkies

      Castle is just a puppet for de Clyne.

    • Kiwi rugby lover

      Mate you’re on fire today. I’m getting enthused just reading your posts.

  • Greg

    Looking for the positives….

    One is that there is only one comment on the ref so far. That is a good sign.

    Personally I liked the penalty for the tackle that was “red shoulder to the knees and no arms”. This sort of tackle is quite common in tight…. but it is dangerous and no idea how it is legal.

    • Geoffro

      Kerevi’s hit looked bad.Consistency ?

      • Brisneyland Local

        I watched the replay of that hit over adn over again. I think it was unfortunate, I could have understood if it was a yellow as now they are saying any contact to the head is a yellow. But I didnt think it was late or malicious, or deliberate in any way!

        • Geoffro

          Just the fact he was leading with his shoulder looked bad.Another ref might’ve gone yellow.

        • Brisneyland Local

          I agree. I think the shoulder was more just bracing for impact.

      • Kiwi rugby lover

        Mate I think it was more of an accident as the referee said. I was actually happy with the ruling and thought it was managed well. It is after all a contact sport and sometimes shit happens.

    • Who?

      It was outlawed (the ‘grasscutter’ tackle) a few years ago. I haven’t seen one that bad for a while.
      He was inconsistent, but he didn’t cost either team.

  • adastra32

    OK I’m an outsider but…over the past three+ years there have been some brainless WB performances, but that takes the biscuit. Clearly, they believed their own hype about having the hex on Wales. So – pass up two (three?) kickable penalties in a tight game? Yes! Go through large number of phases near oppo line and then knock on? Yes! All the same problems that have been in evidence for some time.

  • Kiwi rugby lover

    Mate they trained well, lacked a bit of enthusiasm at critical times but intensity was good just some poor execution. There you go

    • Greg

      All true.

      what is the next step?

      • Kiwi rugby lover

        well if nothing changes, then nothing will change

    • Adrian

      Sounds familiar Kiwi.
      Did you hear that from Cheik or Nard or someone?

      • Kiwi rugby lover

        hahahaha all year mate

    • Simon

      Also I don’t know what we have to do to get a fair go from the refs. That’s like, what, 20 tests in a row now they’ve had it in for us?

  • Parker

    Hey Editors, what happened to the comments under the article by Steve, which you’ve replaced with this one?

    • Just a mix up on who was covering the match so that one got turfed.

      • laurence king

        Oooooh, they were some of my best ever and funniest and most insightful comments that I’ve ever made.

      • Who?

        Wow – staggering that TWO people put themselves through the torture of writing up that game! :-O

      • Parker

        Good to know we have that editorial luxury now

  • onlinesideline

    SACK CHEIKA NOW

    SACK CHEIKA NOW

    SACK CHEIKA NOW

    SACK CHEIKA NOW

    SACK CHEIKA NOW

    SACK CHEIKA NOW

    Enoughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

    SACK CHEIKA NOW

    SACK CHEIKA NOW

    SACK CHEIKA NOW

    SACK CHEIKA NOW

    Enoughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

    SACK CHEIKA NOW

    SACK CHEIKA NOW

    SACK CHEIKA NOW

    SACK CHEIKA NOW

    • laurence king

      And take his coaches with him.

    • Dally M

      OK then, 2 questions:

      1. Where is the money coming from to buy out the contracts of 4-5 coaches?
      2. Who are you replacing them with?

      And you can’t be offering up names of coaches like Schmidt who are locked in to RWC already.

      • Singapore Sling

        Cheika should do the honourable thing and resign. I’ve read of his fabulous wealth many times and that he’s only coaching as it’s his spiritual calling.

        He should also assume the financial burden of Hoopers contract since he would be responsible for hatching it. He could put Hooper to work in one of his fashion sweat shops as he about the right size to operate the button hole sewing machine.

      • st saens

        Miranda Kerr
        Cannot possibly do any worse

      • Dally M

        Right, so as expected, no real solution to the problem.

        Cheika can probably be convinced to walk away without a buy out, but can’t imagine the other guys going without some form of compensation so then you may have a new, likely inexperienced head coach with the same assistants in place. Will that improve things?

    • GO THE Q REDS

      He should QUIT. It’s disgusting that he thinks he deserves the role still. Even a MIRACULOUS WC win would not wash over this terrible run of records Cheika has been amassing. This period of time will forever remain an extremely dark and LONG run for Aus rugby.

      • onlinesideline

        agree – worst performance of any aussie national sporting team EVER over the longest period. When he loses to Poms in 2 weeks if he really cared he would resign. That wil make something like 8 or 9 losses to the English alone. Its incredible. That is horrific in anyones language.

  • metalisticpain

    Maybe this tour will be a win on the training paddock…

    • Adrian

      Playing fields of Eton old chap

  • onlinesideline

    Raelene Castle is starting to look RIDICULOUS

    Is Castle out of her depth – SHE SEEMS FROZEN !!!!

    The spotlight is now SQUARELY on her !

    What is this lady doing ?? letting this go on ??

    The code is continuing to fall apart on HER WATCH.

    Raelene Castle – DO SOMETHING !!!!!!!!!

    Are you fit for his job ???????????

    THIS IS BECOMING A NIGHTMARE – DO SOMETHINGGGGG

    • st saens

      SACK RAELENE NOW
      SACK RAELENE NOW

      Come over to the window my little Raelene
      I’d like to try to read your palm
      I used to think I was some kind of rugby guy
      Before I let you stuff my game

      Now so long my Raelene, it’s time we began
      To laugh and cry and cry and laugh about the Wallabies

      We met when we were nobodies
      When you were league, and we were fans
      You held on to us like were rusted-on
      Then we discovered you could not give a damn

      Now so long Raelene, Time for you to leave again
      And we can cry, and weap and weep, and learn to grieve again

      (Apologies Sir Leonard Cohen, sadly missed).

      • laurence king

        Now I’m in a quandary, don’t know whether to sing SACK CHIEKA, SACK CHIEKA or SACK RAELENE, SACK RAELENDE, both catchy and great tunes.

  • laurence king

    Just listened to Post-match interview. The level of unreality coming from Cheika and Hooper was astounding. This team lost to a Welsh side that were only marginally less poor. Neither side rarely looked dangerous and the second half a snooze fest.

  • Andy

    Worst performance I have seen this year. Was terrible rugby. Such a contrast to the ABs v Poms. Both played really intelligent rugby in hard conditions. Hi his match in comparison was a fucking disgrace. A bunch of muppets kissing the viewership money upmthe wall.

    On Beale, his constant selection gives Cheika’s philosophy no credibility. He gets picked to start regardless even though he single handedly ruins the defensive line, creates havoc to any of our attacking structure and causes multiple turnovers per game from either poor passing, stupid kicking or brain dead play.

    • Geoffro

      Beale when he is on his game is a breaker but has had these slumps in form before.Why Cheika keeps selecting him when he is so out of form is mystery to me- he must be the eternal optimist.Often when you have two reasonably matched teams they will dumb down or up to the level of their opponents on the day-on this occasion Wales and Australia both dumbed down..Doesn’t make sense but see it in sport all the time.

      • Brumby Runner

        Quite simply not true about Beale. He has been the poorest piece in the jigsaw that is the Wallabies for all of the past four years. It is only on rare occasions that he does something that could be described as a game breaker.

        He is the most protected of the protected species in the Wallabies, that includes Simmons, Hanigan, Hooper (when Pocock is available), Phipps, Foley and Beale. On the strength of his lineout throwing, Latu looks like he will shortly join that brigade.

        Now, what is the common factor across those players?

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          And Folau

        • GO THE Q REDS

          Well that’s not Quite true either. …. Foley has been worse over that time period. … ….in a far more important position. At least Beale offers opportunities and Threat at times. Both have been team high tragedies in defence and mistake ridden stats.

    • Hoss

      A-fucking-men

    • Bernie Chan

      Who comes up with the match strategy (is there a plan…?)? Hooper turns down kickable penalties twice…and meanwhile Foley and Beale (jeez Beale’s decisions to kick grubbers and chip kicks to himself in general play looked poor live…worse on replay!) both engage in kicking duels with Halfpenny etc when it was obvious they were getting out-kicked by around 20metres each time…Kerevi constantly used to provide the crash ball option, so he might as well have started as the #12? Even the UK commentator queried why Foley and Beale were defending the blindside at lineout time….he obviously doesn’t know the cunning plan to hide these guys…! As for Simmons and Hanigan….short stints with no nett positive impact. What are we now…3 wins in 2018…?

      • Who?

        The Welsh commentator had no idea what was going on most of the time…

        • Ed

          Eddie Butler, former Wales captain, is probably not used to a defensive tango that we have employed for a while. I am surprised James Horwill did not explain it to him. On Horwill, I hope he does some commentary when he returns to Oz as he was good.

        • Bernie Chan

          Well…they join the rest of us…only Nathan Grey and Cheika know the defensive plan and how great it is…pity no one else understands their “genius”…Only watched the second half, but Beale went sideways so often…

    • GO THE Q REDS

      Your forgetting the player inside him. . .. Foley once again fell off tackles, kicked poorly and offered nothing in attack whatsoever! Combined theyre leaving ALOT for others to cover for.

      • Andy

        He wasn’t great either but he didn’t compare to Beale in my op. I thought the wrong player got taken off.

        • Ed

          I think this year has shown Cheika ranks Beale higher than Foley. How about trying Foley with Toomua, or Toomua at 10 with Kerevi at his best spot in both attack and defence, 12.

  • Woolfe

    The cunning plan to lose every match to build up to win the World Cup is progressing nicely

    • laurence king

      Someone should inform Cheika that Blackadder is comedic fiction.

  • sambo6

    Please kick it up the field to people in space

  • sambo6

    We’re better than these fuckers…we can ignore 3 points twice……

  • sambo6

    No. Replacing cheika is not the silver bullet. But its part of it

    • Brisneyland Local

      There is no silver bullet. But yes him and the two assistant coaches are a good start.

    • st saens

      Sexist comment warning.
      If you find sexist comments boorish, appalling, disgusting and reprehensible, please read no further.
      I strongly recommend SACK CHEIKA NOW and replace him with Miranda Kerr…at least our post match press conferences won’t be filled with his mournful ugly mug…and who knows the guys may actually play better for a coach they admire and respect.

  • laurence king

    Rule No. 1 Raelene – Don’t make rules, set standards, or make statements that you have no intention of backing up.
    Will we hear anything from you except spin and are you currently experiencing a severe case of foot in mouth or are you taking something medicinal to induce some much need amnesia? I’d like to offer sympathy in that you’re stuck between a rock and hard place but truth be told, I have no sympathy for you and your gutless board. Your collective inaction has done immense and possibly long lasting damage to Australian rugby and disenfranchised the supporter base of this once great team.

  • Richard Patterson

    A tough loss for the Wallabies. Notable that both NZ and AUS got dragged into typical Northern Hemisphere arm wrestles heavily reliant on rushed, outside in defensive systems; lots of kicking; lots of static play and loud noisy home crowds to deliver victory. We both have to fundamentally keep elevating skill levels and better dictate the pace of games to better ensure victory. We know what they stuggle at – we see it most weeks. We have to get them playing our game, not us playing theirs.

    Understandable to read alot of angst about Michael Cheika. 10 questions to anyone who cares to answer.

    1. How much of the Wallaby failings are poor preparation by Cheika (et al) and how much is poor preparation by the key playing group?

    2. How do people attribute the blame between Coach Cheika and Captain Hooper?

    3. Across Super Rugby and International Rugby in the past 2 years Michael Hooper’s winning percentage as captain is dreadful. Can this guy plot his way to victory on the field?

    4. If RA were to sack Michael Cheika as Head Coach, who is the preferred replacement 12 months out from the RWC? What attributes must this new coach possess?

    5. Do people view the experiment of non-Australian Robbie Deans as Wallabies coach a success? How open are people to having another non-Australian as a new replacement?

    6. What would people expect to be the player reaction on news Cheika had been sacked as their Head Coach?

    7. What is correct role in a 23 man playing squad for Kurtley Beale?

    8. What is the correct role in a starting 15 for Israel Folau?

    9. Is Quade Cooper still seriously an option in really big test matches?

    10. Why has Adam Colemen regressed as an international forward?

    • Kiwi rugby lover

      Hey Richard, I agree the ABs and Wallabies both got sucked into their opponents game plan. My answers to your questions are:
      1. All of it by both. The players are too precious and Cheika has so much power they don’t respond to anything unless he tells them
      2. 100% to both of them all the time. They are the leaders and it’s their responsibility
      3. No. Can’t actually play that well either
      4. It won’t happen so it won’t matter
      5. At this stage I’d take a coaching panel of Nutta, Hoss, BL and Eloise
      6. At least half of them would panic knowing their jobs were no longer safe
      7. To play left right out
      8, 14 or nothing, at this stage almost nothing
      9. Yes. He cannot be worse than the current options.
      10. I think he struggled as Captain of the Rebels and he is not getting decent coaching in the current Wallaby setup

      • Richard Patterson

        Nice thoughts as always KRL. Re. #5 I’d add Missing Link and Adrian into the mix.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          True. I should have put them in.

        • Richard Patterson

          Be quick. They’ll be lost to France, England or Japan soon!

    • st saens

      Hi Richard
      1) all down to Cheika
      2) Cheika 80% Hooper 50% (and DO NOT question my maths)
      3) Obviously not
      4) Resemble Miranda Kerr
      5) Let’s face it, Robbie Deans is no rocket surgeon. An INTELLIGENT (ie IQ somewhere above 80) coach from O/S with people skills could do wonders (as could Miranda Kerr)
      6) absolute elation (excluding the unsackables…Foley, Beale, Hooper and Ned)
      7) bum splinters (or starting 15 if he can learn to catch a high ball pronto)
      9) yes…how could he be worse than Foley???
      10) for the same reason every Australian player regresses when they make the training squad…Cheika…he is a coaching and man management nightmare. He is worse than HOPELESS….he is hopeless and does not recognise the fact (a very dangerous combo).

      SACK CHEIKA NOW (has that been said before???)

      Bye bye Mikey. Go. Go now. Go quietly. Go gently into the night. The 2019 World Cup is lost. If you take a dignified exit now, we can start planning your replacement. Miranda, this is the difference between a ruck and a maul.

    • Who?

      Point 5 – it was a failure. Because he wasn’t actually a good coach. I knew Kiwis who were pleased they weren’t getting him before he came over here. I’d be very open to a foreign coach – I don’t care where the coach is from, as long as they’re a good one.

  • Geoffrey Collins

    Yep, well said. I thought this quote from the NZ Herald pretty much summed it up: “… six points thrown away …”

  • Bakkies

    12 penalties conceded when was the last time the gave away less than 10.

    • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

      When was the last time they played a smart game?

      • Bakkies

        2015.

        • Who?

          2014.

  • A Dingo Stole My Rugby

    Can anyone name a single player in the current Australian set-up who has become a better player as a result of the coaching of Cheika / Grey / Larkham at national level? I can’t. However, I could name a few who’ve regressed.

    Our provincial coaches have made a few blokes better players, but I can’t think of one who has returned to his SR team from Wallaby camp a better player.

    PS. If Latu is our best hooker, we’re well and truly fecked. He was poor again last night – even TPN looked better.

    • Brisneyland Local

      Pocock has become a better 8! Ha ha ha ha

      • Kiwi rugby lover

        Gold. Although actually he hasn’t what he has become is a better 7 playing with an 8 jersey

        • Brisneyland Local

          Touche.

      • Ed

        Poey has a 100 percent lineout throwing record too. ;)

        • Brisneyland Local

          Very true.

    • st saens

      Every player I can name has regressed under Cheika. Drawing a really long bow. perhaps even Foley could be an adequate fly half under a proper coach (such as Miranda Kerr)

  • sambo6

    1. Despite it being an ‘armwrestle’ that was a boring game to watch. Neither team had any decent ball carriers who could get over the gainline in traffic to speed the game up. So as a result both teams were very successful in slowing down opposition ball. We need some line benders in our pack.
    2. The number of times our runners were isolated was ridiculous, and speaks to the lack of structure under cheika. There should be systems in place to ensure the ‘pods’ are acting as a unit for more than just first phase.
    3. I haven’t yet seen the post match presser, but I can just imagine the bullsh-t spin that hooper and cheika will put on this
    4. SACK CHEIKA NOW

  • sambo6

    Watching on tele in the UK. They had Irish legend Paul O’Connell on the panel at half time. Quite telling that he described toomua as one of the best centres in the world…..that’s what others think of him. But cheika can only pick him on the bench…farking arse clown

  • GeorgiaSatellite

    Thanks for the write-up Dylan. Hope you enjoyed the atmosphere, if not the match.

    Hooper leading by example – spills the pill cold, passes up points. So sick of Beale and Folau with their Mungo “show it, step” still several feet away from a tackler. I think they’ve figured it out now, lads. I cheered when Foley got subbed.

    So glad I’ll be at the Georgia v Tonga match while we’re playing the SDs. I couldn’t cope with watching that. Glad they got done by the Nuns though. And in such a fun manner!

  • Alister Smith

    The worst
    Thing about that was that Wales didn’t play particularly well either – some good defence for periods but they rarely looked like they would break our line. We now have to play a team that we always seem to let drag us down to their level and then a team that lost by one point to a team that has put 40 plus on us in most recent games

  • Mark Kell

    Sad stuff. The problem is that we play low probability rugby, which means we have to be exceptional just to win a game. I like Cheika, but if he continues with this low probability rugby, I agree he has to go.

    You take the ball, you run it forward with pods of tight forwards, you bend or split the line, you do this one or two more times, you concertina in the defence, and then you spin it. You dont spin against a set wide defence, as all that happens is you get isolated, turned over, penalised, or kicked through and you start again on your goal line.

    Its not rocket science.

    If I was the coach, a mandatory pre-requisite for any player, is that he can play cards and demonstrate an understanding of high probability and low probability decisions. No understanding, no gig.

  • derek byrne

    Australian Rugby is hemorrhaging with no fix/cure insight(unless you are some of the frequent posters here). With the amount of money being paid to these players I’d expect a little more. Common sense, Intelligence and Smarts.

    Forwards need to go forward before the backs.
    Does Cheika play Italy like his coaching requires the win or…..
    We rest Foley and Beale to the bench(maybe the bench behind the team in the crowd?)
    Toomua at 10, Kerevi at 12 and Petaia at 13. Banks at 15.
    I know Petaia is young but the way he finishes a try shows his maturity to me. No fan fare, no ego, no big smiles. Plus it’d be cool for him to play a test with his cousin….
    Flanders out of the squad.
    Hooper to the bench as the million dollar super sub. Poccock to Captain, least the refs respect him a little better.
    Latu on a plane back home. Wasn’t good enough for a season of Super(or sub par)Rugby so why is he here?
    Phipps in the crowd.

    End of the day, people here can pick a better Wallabies team on form than our current method.

  • skip

    This is like the Trump effect in rugby. Things that were unthinkable once upon a happier time when the sane had a say in how things should be are now just ‘ho hum run of the mill’ events that we used to think of as catasclisms. Since when did the run of results we’ve had since Dingo lost to Samoa at home become so normal we just shrug and say, ‘yeah, our coach is shit but he’ll be gone after (event x) and then we can try to fix it’ without sacking someone, anyone, to say that it’s just not good enough to dish that up and someone not get fired? Seriously? How did it become the norm? I watched an NFL game a few nights ago and one player had one brain snap, got booted out of the game and coach sacked him off the team that night! Can you imagine what would happen if NZ (a team that used to respect us) lost to Wales and looked insipid in the process and there not being a complete coaching clear out and a dozen players being told they’d never wear black again? That’s what I don’t understand. We’ve got fuck-up fatigue. So many fuck ups we’re just immunized against it. In the way the whole world has forgotten the POTUS is an unindicted co conspirator in federal crimes (really, he is) we’ve just got used to a goon delivering shit results week in and out. It’s not normal and we shouldn’t think it is.

  • Greg

    Random thought….

    I don’t think that a change in coach is a Silver Bullet but I do wonder whether the current coach perhaps has a non-termination clause in his contract.

  • Tim

    Great report Dylan. Really enjoyed it. Let’s see how things go next week in Padua. It can only go up from here. Surely.

  • Warcomet

    I don’t get why they have maddocks on the bench , he provided nothing and then lost the ball when the wallabies needed it the most..

    • John Tynan

      I’m not sure what he ticks that Banks doesn’t. Not that he’s a poor player by any means, don’t get me wrong.

  • Sequel

    Rugby is a simple game made complex at times.

    Game plan and players (ability/skill set/team makeup) must match – simple.

    What we are seeing with the Wallabies is an example where they do not.

    It seems that Cheika picks the players he likes whether they are suited to his game plan or not. Therefore you have players out of position and or out of their depth and you get the results we have.

    Too be overly simplistic just pick 2 big strong ball carriers / ball players at 6 and 8. The team gets some go forward and all of the sudden the backs look brilliant. Obviously this would align with a game play of having heavy carriers making meters over the gain line – look at Englands 1st 30mins on the weekend for an example.

    Also overly simplistic, don’t kick possession away with 2 minutes on the clock when you’re behind by 3 points. My 13 year old knows better than to do that!

    I say again the game is simple!

    • John Tynan

      I thought that was you! I quoted your 13yo in my rant yesterday!

      • Sequel

        It’s really not that hard!

  • Tim

    Hey bud i missed the game and only watched the highlights. What was the last penalty for in the 81st minute when we had the ball?

    • Who?

      Pocock was running a great blocking line about 5m in front of the ball, taking out multiple defenders. Touchie made the call.

  • LED

    As much as it pains to say, theres no silver bullet here to correct this. Sack Cheika if you want but the fact is its was exactly the same under any of the last 4 coaches of the Wallabies incl Deans – a clear slow decline of competitiveness. A new coach comes in and refreshes things, and we get a brief spurt of results. Then oppositions work it out and we’re back to the same declining trend. Most of this is the players.

    We dont have depth to allow us to pick the best specialists in each spot. Instead we pick good footballers and try and fit them in then devise overly complex plans to hide their deficiencies.

    At top level international rugby, to remain in the top 3 spots, you need 2-3 truly international level players in each spot competing and pushing each other who are individually the whole package for their spot. We are strung out putting a single side together and some of those players would not make NZ, England, Wales or Springboks sides. Many have good skills on one side of the ledger and are deficient on the other.

    Eg:

    No 2: The lineout is a shambles which shows we do not have a fully rounded international level 2 right now
    No 4/5: We havent got a stable pairing at 4 and 5. Pick Coleman, the lineout falls apart, pick Simmons, and the ruck and carries fall apart.
    No 6: Hannigan is NOT an international level 6 – he rarely makes more than 1 metre on a carry and bounces off people in the ruck. Dempsey may be but too early to tell. He needs another 2-3 years to prove himself.
    No 7: Pocock is world class but we pick Hooper to get the best guys on the field rather than the best guys in their spot. Im not sure where Hooper fits in. He’s a freak but not a classic 7.
    No 8: Yep. we havent had a true No 8 since Palu’s early days. We’ve goto solve this. Think Big bruising carries
    No 10: We know what Foley offers but the full rounded package at 10 he is not. We need a 10 who can kick for position when required at the very least.
    No 12: Beale. To me hes still a fullback at international levels. He cant attack straight and he cant defend in the front line. His best rugby for the Wallabies ever was at fullback. But we dont have any other celar alternative for 12 – so we put Beale in there.

    All these positions need to be sorted out to get us back to top 3 consistently. Honestly, Hooper should have been turned into an inside centre earlier in his career where his speed and footwork and aggressiveness all can be put to work. Too late now though.

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