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Wallabies whacked by rampant All Blacks

Wallabies whacked by rampant All Blacks

The Wallabies have been soundly flogged by the All Blacks 54-34 in Sydney tonight as the visitors put on an attacking master class and ripped the Wallabies defensive line to shreds to rack up eight tries in total with doubles to Rieko Ioane and Ryan Crotty.

The Wallabies put up some sort of a fight in the second half after trailing 40-6 at the break with some of the bench players putting their hands up for a start next week as the All Blacks put the cue in the rack to reduce the final margin to 20 points.

The Match

It was a very physical opening few minutes with the All Blacks showing their hand early by spreading the ball into the wide channels but the Wallabies responded with some big carries from their forwards after some good work out wide from Samu Kerevi and debutante Curtis Rona.

The Wallabies opened the scoring with penalty goal from Bernard Foley inside the opening five minutes after the All Blacks failed to roll away.

It didn’t take long for the All Blacks to hit back with a well worked try of their own debutant Liam Squire down the left wing. Starting with a quick lineout, Damian McKenzie linked with Ryan Crotty in midfield and the Wallabies looked to have it covered but Squire was found unmarked by Reiko Ioane after some quick hands from Brodie Retallick and Kieran Read and Squire set sail for the line untouched. Beauden Barrett’s conversion made it 7-3.

The next Wallabies points come from a scrum penalty with the All Blacks having a few issues on the engagement and Foley landed his second of the match.

But almost right off the restart the All Blacks showed their attacking skills with the Wallabies unable to make their tackles allowing them easy open space. They again targeted the right wing of the Wallabies and a simple miss on Rieko Ioane by Israel Folau proved costly as he dived over in the corner.

Ioane had his second almost immediately following a Wallabies mistake with a pass going astray in midfield that was swopped on by Ryan Crotty who found Ioane and he ran 40 metres to score the All Blacks third try after just a tick over 20 minutes on the clock.

It was looking like another horror show for the Wallabies with the All Blacks chalking up another try as the missed tackle stats started to rack up for the home side. Ryan Crotty was the recipient of some good handling and a dummy from Joe Moody and Retallick as they took advantage of a rattled Wallabies defensive line. Barrett’s conversion had the All Blacks with a point a minute at 26-6.

The Wallabies couldn’t get much going in attack and the number of penalties being given away didn’t help either as the All Blacks found gaps at ease to have the Wallabies on the back foot with the pace of the game too much for them. The weight of pressure was too much as Sonny-Bill Williams crashed over for the fifth try of the half to make it 33-6 and it wasn’t even half time.

The pain continued for the home side right on half time as the All Blacks made easy work of it as Ryan Crotty collected his second try of the match after a simple scrum move five metres out exploited the shaky defensive line. Barrett’s conversion made it 40-6 at the badly needed break.

Wallabies v All Blacks 19 Aug 2017 Bledisloe 1 first half-2

The second half didn’t start any better for the Wallabies with a turnover on halfway by Michael Hooper as he was stripped in the tackle was punished as Rieko Ioane found room down the left wing and he found McKenzie to chalk up another try.

And the hits just kept coming for the Wallabies with Ben Smith getting in on the try scoring action as nothing was going right for the home side. Barrett’s conversion made the score an eye watering 54-6.

The Wallabies found some life around the 50 minute mark with a scrum five metres out with Curtis Rona scoring on debut off a short pass from Nick Phipps and that was followed by Tevita Kuridrani try to make it 54-20.

The All Blacks cleared the bench with the game seemingly sewn up and a small error near halfway after a good hit from Rona saw Beale swoop on the crumbs and run 50 metres to the line for the Wallabies third try and put some sort of respectability in the scoreline at 54-27.

Wallabies v All Blacks 19 Aug 2017 Bledisloe 2nd first half-5

The Wallabies reduced the gap to 20 with just over ten minutes remaining with the help of the TMO as they ruled a try to Israel Folau after a few looks at whether or not Kuridrani got his hands to the ball in the leadup with a suspect pass from Foley ruled ok by Wayne Barnes.

Wallabies v All Blacks 19 Aug 2017 Bledisloe 2nd first half-6

There was a late flurry of action towards the end of the game as the Wallabies escaped a charged down Foley clearing kick as he got back to ground the ball simultaneously with Barrett and Israel Folau managed to find a bit of space before Ardie Savea turned the ball over as the final whistle went, much to the relief of Wallabies fans.



The Game Changer

It was close at one stage, around 18 minutes, but then the All Blacks put on a clinic after that. Game over.


The G&GR MOTM

Plenty to choose from in the All Blacks side, but Rieko Ioane in a photo finish over 22 others after bagging a double and setting up other.


The Details

Score & Scorers

WALLABIES 34
Tries: Rona, Kuridrani, Beale, Folau
Conversions: Foley 4
Penalties: Foley 2
NEW ZEALAND 54
Tries: Squire, Ioane 2, Crotty 2, Williams, McKenzie, B Smith
Conversions: Barrett 7
Penalties:

Cards

Nil

Crowd

54,846

Photos by Peter Mitchell

  • Al sylvester

    Something good has come out of this game. Adam Coleman is a world class lock. Kurtley played very well.

    • adastra32

      Phew. That will be a big relief to Chubby.

      • Parker

        I couldn’t fathom why Sio was taken off directly after making a great penetrating run. What does that communicate to the player?

    • ozrugbynut

      My standout too, though sio also did reasonably well in that diabolical first half. Kerevi, Rona, Folau and speight were shocking in defence.

    • Nipper68

      Coleman was still going strong, seventy-odd minutes into the match. Was putting in some big hits as well.

  • Jamie Miller

    That amazing late run from Israel Folau, with no support from his teammates, is the perfect metaphor for the last 5 yes of Wallaby rugby.

    • first time long time

      Somehow there were 3 AB defenders running better support lines than any wallaby. It’s inconceivable that the ABs wouldn’t have scored from that.

    • Jack Mallick

      The last 5 years of Australian rugby in general! Apart from a couple of one off bright spots the standards, toughness and workrate of our pro players has plummeted.

  • Moose

    Nathan Grey has got to go.

    • Steve

      I just don’t understand his system at all.

      Defenders on the wing are CONSTANTLY caught too narrow and can’t get wide to cover.

      Speight and Kerevi mixing each other up for the Crotty try on half time says that there is no defined midfield system either.

      The plan seems to be ‘just clump all together in the midfield and figure out the rest when you get there’.

      It’s very rare in life that a clump is the optimal formation. Rugby is not one of those times.

      • Jim C

        I think a problem with their narrowness is the Aussie wingers are now big guy’s and while quick they lack the acceleration and agility you need to defend like that. I think it’s an okay game plan mate, it just lacks the players. AAC was superb in that style of defensive formation.

        • Steve

          I don’t agree I’m sorry.

          In all my time defending on the wing in footy, you always knew that if the bloke got outside you then you were in trouble.

          I just can’t see that deliberately conceding acres of space to your opposite on the outside can EVER be a good idea.

        • Jim C

          I was a wing as well. I wasn’t clear enough. Nope, it’s not a good idea, but Aussie have been handing teams a bit of space out wide for awhile now with Cheika. It seems the tactic isn’t to give a bloke the outside ball. Cheika is trying to push or direct the opposing player’s out wider to narrow their options.This isn’t a bad idea if you have teams cutting in and sucking up defenders. Have a look at the 2011 Wallabies vintage, Drew Mitchell and Cooper weren’t scared of giving anyone a little space; because, they backed themselves to get their targets when people tried to get outside.

        • Alister Smith

          particularly not if it’s Rieko Ioane

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          You do make a point but, even if it is true why have a plan your players can’t execute?

      • Moose

        Not sure there is a system…

    • Parker

      How many times do I have to say that the Wallabies have to rehire John Muggleton as defensive coach? I’ve been following Wallabies rugby since the mid sixties and their defence has never looked as solid as when he coached that facet of the game. Why has this not occurred to anyone at the ARU? I guess the answer is blowing in the wind, like our chances of beating any ranked team in the near future.

      • McWarren

        Or even Les Kiss. But Gray? I just don’t get this rewarding of mediocrity just because people can’t admit a mistake. Look at Woody Graham, Michael Foley and now Cheika and Gray.

      • Darrin Briggs

        I agree or hire the best league defense coach out there like England did.

        • Parker

          I believe that’s where Muggleton came from.

  • Hoss

    Wasn’t all bad news, I mean clearly we had the better anthem.

    • Who?

      I disagree… :-( And long have. I actually envy the other RC nations’ anthems…

    • onlinesideline

      You beat me by 3 seconds Who

      I actually prefer NZ’s – its simple and rememberable. Im gonna say this out loud.
      I hate our anthem, Ive hated it since the day I first heard it.
      I have never heard it sung the same way twice either.
      Every time the singer gets to the last line, “Advance Australia Fair” theres always a new twist that leaves the players out of sync. Its too poetic, too lyrical for an anthem.

      Sack Cheika, (ths guy is way out of his depth ) and sack the national anthem.
      Its all wrong.

    • McWarren

      I agree Hoss I like our Anthem.

      • Hoss

        Any song that has ‘girt’ in it is alright by me and besides ours is factually accurate. I’ve checked the map of NZ a thousand times and I can’t find Aotearoa anywhere – they don’t even know wha their singing about…….

        • first time long time

          I always thought it was “girth” and as you know it’s all about the girth!
          And I thought people were laughing at me cause I was out of tune!

        • Hoss

          Gold mate.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Ba-boom! It’s on all the Maori maps mate

  • adastra32

    “Trying to play an up tempo game” said the Oz commentator of the WBs. He forgot to say: “unfortunately with a turnstile defence”.

  • Blue

    ARU High Performance, General Manager since 2013 Ben Whittaker, really has supplied the wallabies with highly performing players. Sorry thats the super rugby teams fault.
    Now we will take 20 per cent of the professional rugby player pool away. That will make his job easier less numbers to have to work with.
    Most of the better performing wallabies came from the Force. Too far away from rugby central that team, WA don’t need them.
    ARU board losing money, losing talent, chairman of that circus the clown called Clyne.
    So far up himself can’t see what’s good for the game.

  • Gegonago

    You know everything has gone to shit when even the Kiwis have switched off so completely

    • onlinesideline

      and try a chip kick 7 meters out from our line just for funsies

  • Will

    Kerevis defence was very very bad. Kuridrani couldn’t come on quick enough!!

  • Gegonago

    Nathan Grey was an inside job.

  • notmanichean

    Very sporting of the all blacks to stick around and watch the second half.

  • Pearcewreck

    Cheika has to go.
    Nathan Grey has to go.
    Moore has to go.
    Game was over at the 10 min mark when we kicked our 2nd penalty to trail, repeat trail 7-6.
    All over.
    We will never beat NZ by kicking penalties.
    We needed to go or the try both times instead of kicking penalties.
    If you don’t understand why, you don’t understand rugby.
    When we went for two penalties in the first10 mins instead of trys we handed them the game on a platter.

    • adastra32

      No. Not bothering to defend for the first 35 minutes did that.

      • Pearcewreck

        No, not going for trys handed them the game.
        Completely different game if we went for trys instead of pens in first 10.
        Completely different game if we had scored two trys from those great attacking oppotunities.
        Rest of game would be completely different.

        • Jim C

          Phew, I dunno mate. The Wallabie’s running with the ball in the first half was pretty ragged from about 15 mins onward. Moreover, they really looked out of ideas. Second half, it was Beale finding more space and sucking in markers which made a big difference.

        • Pearcewreck

          We were all over them in first 10.
          Their game plan has been same for last 8 years or so, whenever we look good, they deliberately conceded a penalty, knowing we will swallow the bait by going for 3.
          They stand around, re group. have a breather, knowing that all pressure is off, from the kick off they can pin us in our half, then score 5 or 7.
          5 or 7 beats 3 every time.
          No-one in Oz rugby has woken up to this. It is a key part of NZ game plan.
          When we used to beat them consistetly from 1999 to 2003, Eales, then Greagan would go for the try, not the pen.

        • onlinesideline

          We often come out firing in the first 10-15 mins in these games. It has happened multiplle times. And we never convert and people hold on to that 10 minute phase and point to it as “our potential” year after year. It means nothing. The ABs just weather it and say after the 15 mark

          “Ok OZ that was really nice, really, and were genuinely glad to see you trying, but now sick the fuck down, go back to your schooldesks and watch this motherfuckers” – same every year

          P.S I wouldnt say “we were all over them” – slight exaggertion dont you think ? – we put a few phases together and dominated possession in their half for a few minutes and scored didly squat from it.

          Maybe “on the offensive” is more accurate ?

        • SuckerForRed

          I understand what you are saying Pearcewreck, but you are assuming that we would have scored the tries. Let’s face it, the ABs defence on their line is usually pretty good & I am not sure the Wobs attack is creative enough to get around them, or ball retention persistent enough to force them to lose a man.

        • Pearcewreck

          It was all over by 15 mins.
          With Beale and Kerevi in centres, we picked an attacking team, but in first 10 min we get into a great position twice, then refuse to attack.
          Defies logic.
          Also, Beale did do well in 2nd half, but it was all over by 15 min mark in my mind.

        • adastra32

          Wow. That’s some crystal ball you have there.

        • Pearcewreck

          No, when did we last beat them kicking peanlties?
          Never, we have to score tries, score tries early and you put pressure on them.
          Pressure is the key.
          3 points will not do it against NZ.
          Only 5 or 7 will.
          Nothing applys pressure like conceding trys, nothing dents the confidence more then conceding trys.
          We will not beat then whilst ever we take a lazy shot at 3 when we are hot on attack.
          We must go all out attack in that situation, back ourselves, send them a message.
          3 points says nothing.
          3 points does not apply pressure when they know they can easily score 7.

        • Gnostic

          Actually the last time the Wallabies beat them was by a penalty. Last time they won the Bledisloe was with a penalty. Uncomfortable things facts.

          The real difference between now and then is the ability to pass, kick and run support lines. Oh and a little thing called defence, both individually and as a group.

        • Pearcewreck

          But we scored tries in that match in 2015 at ANZ stadium.
          We scored tries, we put them under pressure.
          The Penaly at the end that Nic White scored was fair enough, your facts suppport my argument.
          He also scored a try at the Northern end a few minutes before, earlier on Kepu scored at the Northern end as well.

        • Pearcewreck

          Also, if you really think we are going to beat NZ in that match with penalties, then you are living in a fanatsy land.
          We absolutely had to go for the try twice in first 10, kicking penaties in first 10 min handed them the game.
          It relieaved all pressure off them.

        • Gnostic

          you beat them by scoring more points than they do. That means you have to defend. You know that thing that other teams do. Taking obvious points in front of the posts in a test match isn’t why they lost.

        • Dud Roodt

          Some pretty hectic ‘ifs’

        • Pearcewreck

          But we will never know, we didn’t even ask the question, and where did it get us.
          All over by 15 min mark. Game over.
          But if we had backed ourselves, who knows, couldn’t have been worse.
          Could have been a different game.

        • Dud Roodt

          It’s a brave coach/captain who refuses to take shots at goal in the early minutes of a Bledisloe Cup. They don’t take it and go for the try and fuck up, and they get absolutely obliterated by everyone (including yourself I would say)

        • Who?

          Um, last time out wasn’t Hooper criticised for not taking the option of the three..? Against teams like Italy and Scotland..?
          I’m fine with him taking the three. Both times. And the second wasn’t in the first ten minutes, because it was 3-0 after 10 minutes. After 11 minutes it was 3-7. But whilst we looked good with ball in hand, we weren’t breaking through consistently, and taking the 3 is better than coming away with nothing. Mentally.
          Reality was, we lost the game the moment Cheika decided to pick a backline that can’t defend, has no organizer, and has a defensive system that would confuse Da Vinci.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Agree mate. Hooper made the correct calls there. That early in the game after some hard play take the points. While the backline is rightly being criticised for poor defence, and not only the backs, there also wasn’t a lot of penetration. Beale was read very easily and was shut down. Kerevi wasn’t getting the ball in space and Folau doesn’t run into the line often enough.

        • onlinesideline

          disagree – its a Beldisloe, he took the points while it was close and did exactlyyyy the right thing. We could have scored 4 opening tries and it would not have made one iota of difference, They would have scored 10 – hold on – did they score 10 ?

        • Who?

          Yeah, but two were disallowed (Ben Smith’s try called back for the slightly forward pass from Barrett, Barrett’s charge down try ruled ‘simultaneous’ with Foley’s grounding). Then we can count the times McKenzie threw the ball away in attacking positions (I can remember at least two times he threw the ball behind his man)…

    • Al sylvester

      I do understand rugby. It’s won on the scoreboard. Going for trys is a low percentage play. It usually results in zero points. Going for the 3 points with a 90% chance of success gets you more points on the scoreboard. The big problem with Australian rugby supporters is the influence of league. The 2 rather than 3 points and the 2 fewer defenders changes the risk reward. All blacks virtually always take the points.

      • Pearcewreck

        We were all over them in first 10, wake up.
        We had to back ourselves.
        When we take the 3, they stand around, regroup, get their breath back.
        From the kick off they will pin us in our half, and back themselves to score a try.
        Sorry, first 15 minutes of tonights game, is all the evidence i need to present.

        Also, I mentioned nothing about Leauge, you did.

        It’s about taking your oppurtunities, applying pressure. Taking the 3 is exactly what they want us too do.
        Why do they always deliberatley concede a penalty in that situation?
        Because they know we will always take the bait of the 3 points.
        Then they will back themselves to score 5 or 7.

        • Al sylvester

          Wake up? Ok. You win.

        • onlinesideline

          Wake up ? – yeah its called a wake up call – 52-6 at 48 min mark.
          Your what ifs are dreamtime. They are playing with us mate. Jesus isnt that obvious Pearcewreck.

        • McWarren

          Problem wasn’t taking the points PW it was not tackling the big mean scary men dressed in black.

    • McWarren

      Disagree PW, I was happy with them taking the points. Take points early when on offer, and then make your fucking tackles and pressure the shit out of them to earn more penalties and field position. Currently we don’t have a team to out try score the AB’s. we simply need to stay in touch and then come home over the top of them. The AB’s use a lot energy in their high work rate game, we in the other hand don’t. The BIL’s did it perfectly. Some rugby truisms never die and one is to always take the points.

  • Jim C

    Well, good win for the AB’s. Mind it’s hard to tell if the WB’s are crap or the AB’s very good. Mind, the consolation tries by you lot were quite nice and Beale, was superb. I just got word from a mate close to the AB’s management he say’s Spud Hansen is spewing. Apparently, if Kaino and Smith had stuck with the prize sheep they were given by sponsors like the other lads none of this would have happened. Turn’s out they prefer dogs.

  • Rob Malcolm

    Same as last year. Too much time without a game. Plus our defence was abysmal. Beale to 15, Folau to wing, Rona to bench, Hodge to 12. Kurindrani in Kerevi out. Timani to 8, McM to 6.
    Backs must defend in their normal positions. This team can.
    People will say the ABs took their foot off the gas. No way. They are 100% for 80 team. They would have loved to give us nothing. The scoreboard was a fair reflection. They totally deserved their points, we ours.
    Pick the right team, defend properly and we can win next week.

    • Pearcewreck

      First 3 lines of your comment was spot on. 100% agree.
      Second 3 lines was complete fantasy stuff.

      • Rob Malcolm

        Can’t get too negative. The ABs are a great team, but they were rattled for a while there in the 2nd half. We scored 4 tries and ran as many meters as they did in attack. Look our back line defence was atrocious, but our attack was good. Set piece good too.

        • Pearcewreck

          It was all over by 15 mins.
          Game over.
          Rest was irrelevant.

        • Brisneyland Local

          AGREE!

        • onlinesideline

          Rattled ? – as in baby rattle ? – lol – I DONT THINK SO MATE
          more like thinking whats for dinner tonight.

        • Rob Malcolm

          Standing under the posts isn’t good once.
          Standing under the posts isn’t good twice.
          Standing under the posts isn’t good three times.
          Standing under the posts isn’t good four times.
          I’m guessing if youre an AB it’s particularly awkward.
          Yep RATTLED

        • onlinesideline

          mhewhh – not part of the plan but up 52-6 after 48 mins – its kind of understandable isnt it, to let foot off gas for 15 mins ? – cant see any headlines about this over in NZ.

          Its a nice thought though but I prefer to call it what it is. If we need to dress up what it really was then it will get worse. Time for honesty mate. The ABs went to sleep, probably out of boredom.Its ground hog day for these guys – same old every year for 15 years.

          Its like the Kangaroos playing the Poms in League. If you want to think they were genuinley rattled I admire your optimisim.

        • McWarren

          Rob I think that is exactly what Hooper, Genia, Foley and the rest are saying this morning. “We shouldn’t be too upset chaps, they are a really good side, on the bright side look at this selfie I took after the game, my smile is radiant”.

          When the Wallabies beat the AB’s in 2015 in Sydney, do you know what the AB’s were doing immediately after the game? They were doing sprints in the in goal. The were filthy with themselves. Our likely lads were busy bro hugging their AB idols, taking selfies with the last two Wallaby groupies and getting hugs from their mums and girlfriends.

          Never has the adage of Toughen the f..k up boys been more accurately deployed.

    • McWarren

      It’s funny how the AB’s managed to get two trial games into their preparation, they realise that game time is better than hill running not just for refining game plans and cohesion but for game fitness.

      I’d drop Folau altogether, I’d give Perese a run on the wing. Folau was caught out in defence on the wing.

      Foley has to go, we’re better off with a cardboard cut out of Noddy Lynagh than with Foley. Bring Lance in if he’s fit. Otherwise it’s Cooper.

      Powell starts next week with Genia on the bench.

      I like your back row change, though that still means Hooper starts as captain. I’d bring Higgers or Hardwick in at 8, Timani at 6 and McMahon to 7.

      I’d also drop Cheika and Gray.

    • Kiwi rugby lover

      I thought the bench for the AB’s was the problem. Came on too amped up and tried to make something happen all the time that led to mistakes. They needed to calm down and build their game more. Agree the Wallabies deserved their try’s a couple may have come off mistakes but that’s good play to take advantage of them.

      • Simon

        That’s a good point – if the ABs were at all rattled in the second half it was probably the bench players who’d just watched the starting side put 50 points on the Wallabies in 50 minutes. They knew they were going to have to produce something incredible to stand any chance of breaking into that starting side for the RC.

        That would just about sum up the current state of affairs too – ABs more rattled by their own side than anything the Wallabies could throw at them.

      • McWarren

        I think you can correlate our tries with Crotty’s departure.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Absolutely. He’s the new Conrad Smith

  • ozrugbynut

    A few take outs:
    Grey has to go
    Hooper is a mistake as captain
    Folly of putting caps on the bench and TK on bench
    Coleman is v good
    We need our foreign players
    Kerevi, sleight, Folau, Rona together in one god awful defensive line
    No urgency from Genia, slow slow passing
    Tackling – worst perf I’ve seen in around 20 years
    I can’t stand Wayne Barnes

    • mattmagoo

      Agreed about Hooper as captain; the ref spent more time talking to Moore than he did Hooper!

      • Darrin Briggs

        Yes i noticed that

        • Greg

          That is ironic isn’t it. The refs weren’t too keen when he was captain.

          Mind you at least one of the conversations was “Steven, you need to roll away”

    • first time long time

      Certainly wasn’t on his own but Hooper stunk tonight.
      He gave away at least 4 penalties in the first half 2 leading to tries.
      Threw a shit pass that was shovelled on for another try.
      Coughed up the ball for another try.
      I’d hazard a guess that he got zero turnovers.

    • Who?

      We don’t need our foreign players.
      Hooper as captain… I couldn’t believe that Barnes was explaining a penalty against Hooper to Hooper, and Hooper walked away. I don’t care if you get why you were penalized, you don’t show disrespect to the ref like that. Even if you’re not meaning to be disrespectful, it’s not a way to get a bloke on your side!
      No urgency from Genia? Saw him hurdling sleeping All Blacks plenty of times!
      Barnes seemed pretty good to me…

    • MattyP

      I thought Coleman was amazing in a badly beaten team.

  • Nicholas Peacock-Smith

    Backline defense in 1st half was woeful, trying to cover Kerevi’s lack of tackling ability will never work. Great to have Beale back in the gold jersey, he also makes Folau better.

    Team for next week – need to sure up defense at 12&13 and have a bit more grunt & muscle in 8 & 6.
    1. Sio
    2. TPN
    3. Alaalatoa
    4. Arnold
    5. Coleman
    6. McMahon
    7. Hooper
    8. Timani
    9. Genia/Phipps
    10. Foley
    11. Speight
    12. Hodge
    13. Kurdrani
    14. Folau
    15. Beale

    • Moose

      I like it, but I’d have Kepu in there. Definitely Timani. God help us, I’d start Phipps.

      • Nicholas Peacock-Smith

        decided to keep Kepu as the ‘finisher’ prop. Genia was awful and slow, at least Phipps got the ball out quick

    • Rob Malcolm

      Absolutely agree.

    • McWarren

      Foley and Beale were fucking woeful. I don’t give a shit if Beale scored a weak as piss try. He and Foley can’t defend, dropped balls to cough up tries. Genia was not interested. Hanigan is 15 kg too light, Hooper isn’t a 7 or a captain. Folau was caught out in defence as much as Kerevi. Rona looked lost. Robinson is a liability. Surprise surprise when hard working long kicking Hodge came on we improved.

      That was woeful and the fact we got four consolation tries at the end will be used by Cheika and co as to them being on the right track.

      • Gottsy

        Unfortunately I agree :(

      • Darrin Briggs

        Beale to fullback Izzy to wing.. don’t know what to do with the back row but it just doesn’t work

        • onlinesideline

          me either – Im still out on Timani – he just doesnt seem athletic, big yes, fast no. What is it with our 8s. If you compare them to Reid its like chalk and cheese. Even big cliffy Palu hardly ever ran at the serious pace that Reid does for an 8. In this day and age your 8 has to be mobile, an open runner of sorts but Timani – Im not seeing it, maybe Im missing it. The guy is huge and could be a weapon but. He obviously feels more comfortable in the close in dark stuff but when you look at Ried and compare Dane Coles for instance with TPN and Moore – the ABs are just faster and more mobile.

        • idiot savant

          The ABs have a completely different balance in the back row. Their 7 is an inside player (no running out on the flanks) hard and physical over the ball, their 6 is a physical hitter both in close and out wide, and their 8 is a wide running ball player who jumps. They have clear roles in a combination that works best for the team. Yes they can all tackle, run and pass but thats not what gets them picked.

          Our 7 is not hard and physical over the ball but is an excellent runner both in close and out wide, our 6 is, at this stage of his career, a boy sent on a man’s errand but is in Cheka’s mind a hard hitter who jumps, and our 8 is currently attempting to be hard and physical over the ball (there to play the 7 role to cover for Hooper). So a bit like our defensive systems its all a bit of a muddle. We don’t have the role clarity and on the evidence of our performance against sides like Italy let alone the ABs it doesn’t work best for the team.

          In Australia we have often preferred our 8s to be battering rams (think Loane, Kefu, Palu). Just the kind of player Cheika was. The kiwis prefer ball players like Zinzan and Read. Remember how Read got hammered backwards by the BILs? Not a battering ram at all. Higginbotham is a kiwi style 8 but can’t be a ram which is why Cheka doesn’t like him. The best combination we’ve been able to manage under Cheka is the Fardy Pooper because it gave us presence over the ball – just the thing that was missing when the ABs got a mighty roll on last night. We couldn’t halt their momentum. McMahon was ok on occasions and the other 2 tried hard but had no impact.

          Im pretty sure Hooper and Hanigan will both start at 7 and 6 next week which means if we start Timani we will have even less presence over the ball. So I can’t see any changes to the backrow.

        • onlinesideline

          well written

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Maybe Simmons to 6 and McMahon to 8. I thought Simmons had a great game at 6 against the Brumbies. Big call but let’s face it the result can’t be worse than last night. It also allows for a young lock to come in

        • McWarren

          Izzy let in two tries on the wing, he doesn’t have the work ethic or commitment to wear the Wallaby Gold. Teams have worked out that you wait for him to take his big step and crab cross field, that’s all he’s got if he refuses to use his his speed and size. Beale at the back means bombs all night with Squire and Read charging through to belt him as he lands even if he manages to catch it.

          If fit I’d put Hunt or DHP at fullback. I’d have Powell and Lance at 9 & 10.

          Perese on one wing and I’d give Rona another run, but I would ensure they only had to defend on the wing.

          Hodge 12 and Kuridrani 13 ( Kerevi is a 12 but I want Hodges boot).

    • Kiwi rugby lover

      Not a bad team at all and I think will test the AB’s a lot more. Only have Hodge take all the kicks, except perhaps place kicks.

  • Dud Roodt

    Points for me;
    – Grey really has to go (I think I’m the only one thinking that?)
    – Hannigan is quite up to scratch yet. He was weak at ruck time and ineffectual around the park.
    – What in fucks name was Kerevi doing in defence?
    – I thought kurtley was great
    – I never thought I’d say this, Phipps has to start over Genia. Genia was fucking terrible
    – Shoot me

    • Pearcewreck

      You are right, Grey must go.

    • Steve

      Last point seconded.

      • Sevenwithasixonmyback

        And motion passed!
        Phipps outshone Genia. Proved Genia’s not worth 800K. Occasional wayward passes. Just one last night. Great communicator. Great niggler. Fearless. Energiser Bunny.
        Also agree that Folau should go. Useless in defence. Big blubbering baby. He looks confused WITH the ball in his hand. When it’s his turn to BE A FULLBACK, he runs away and hides. Has no bloody clue that he is the last line of defence. Flailed around that Ben Smith try at every movement and then lost his footing… Don’t know where you drop him to. Just drop him. Drop a few of them. Not even just to the extended squad. Dropped. Let them know what it means to work for that gold jersey.
        Good to see that Foley had a charge down. Was waiting all game for that and DIDN’T HE GIVE US A CRACKER!
        We put 28 points on the AB bench. Did nothing for the future of Australian top-tier rugby. really needed to. A lot of expectations on that match.
        Wasn’t the “Battle of the Beaches” a cracker, but…

    • Gottsy

      Phipps should absolutely not start until he can actually throw a pass. Bring in Powell, Gordon, Ruru and Tuttle, they’re all better than our current options

      • Jasper Sapien.

        I think it was Foley who chucked that weird pass which went forward but was ruled not knock-on in the run up to Folau’s try: What the hell was that?

        • Whatever it was, it definitely WASN’T a knock-on. I think it was a forward pass. But three top-flight referees disagree with me, so I’ll be quiet.

          Then it the other player in the leg and missed his hands, so that’s a notional kick, not a knock-on (it has to hit the arms to be a knock-on) so they were checking if Folau was in front, which would make him offside. Because it wasn’t clear and obvious if he was, they decided it was “play on” so they awarded the try.

          While I have some patience for that, it’s not consistent – they took as many replays as possible for the Barrett and Foley simultaneous grounding decision. Since they’re both decisions directly about tries why not take the same time and effort.

        • Andrew Luscombe

          They do as many as necessary to come to a decision.

          They were looking at Folau being in front, but actually the other Aussie didn’t play the ball, it just bounced off him (above the knee too so not a kick even if he had played at it), so Folau wasn’t offside regardless of being in front.

          I don’t think the pass was forward either.

          Both decisions were right in the end.

          I think the Folau one looked okay to Barnes live, and during the replays he was a bit anoyed at having to go over it again. The way he thought to dismiss it was to say Folau’s not distinctly in front. He might also have picked other reasons if they popped into his head.

        • Brumby Runner

          If Folau had been judged to be in front when the ball came off Kuridrani (as imo he was), then it is at best äccidental offside”. In no way is it play on.

        • Andrew Luscombe

          I’ve just looked up the rules for offside in general play. It is play on.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          No in general play the offside doesn’t count like that. If the ball had hit Folau or Kuridrani had got it and ran into Folau it would be accidental off side. It was actually a good decision. I thought the pass was flat and remember a ball must be thrown forward to be ruled as such, travelling forward with momentum or spin is not a forward pass

        • Who?

          Thought I heard Barnes actually saying ‘accidental offside’ in his discussions with the TMO… Barnesy had a pretty solid game last night, from what I saw.

        • I was being lazy, bouncing forwards off the body gets treated the same as a kick for offside, rather than as a knock-on.

          And, actually, they don’t take as many as it takes, or the criteria for what it takes are different. If you listen to the ref’s mic feeds. they stopped the process and said “If we’re going to freeze-frames it’s not clear and obvious, so we’ll go with play on.” If it was the act of scoring a try they would freeze-frame, rock-n-roll the feeds and so on if needed and all the rest. Why is a play in the open field that they’re checking because it immediately led to a try not worth checking in that same level of detail?

          I’m not complaining about the actual decision, I just think the process is odd.

        • Andrew Luscombe

          Bouncing forward from a body isn’t the same as a kick. It’s like bouncing forward off the ground. Unless a player plays the ball there is no offside in reference to that player. Nearly always when a ball comes ftom a player they have played it in some way. It is unusual for the ball to just hit someone without them doing anything in an attempt to affect the ball’s trajectory, but I think that’s what happened here.

          I think Barnes complained about going frame by frame but then they did anyway, and then he said see Folau is not clearly in front. I think he saw the rearmost part of Folau behind the foremost part of Kurindani, and therefore rulled Folau not to be clearly in front, and so ended the investigation.

        • joy

          Disagree. They spent ages on both decisions and got both right.

        • Gottsy

          Passing in general was shite, along with all the other basic skills pro rugby players should have

      • McWarren

        Long gone are the days it seems when our half backs could pass, dart, kick and think. Now it’s either nonchalant passivise (Genia) or crazy, shoot from the hip, headless chookism (Phipps). How I long for 9 who can read a game on its merits and apply Rugby logic to a situation.

        • jamie

          My club’s 9 can do it better I swear…

    • Adrian

      Agree 100% Dud.
      Phipps brought energy, a pass that lead to a try, a clean up that prevented a try, and a tackle that squashed an NZ raid. He got to every ruck/maul.

      If players improve it should be recognised

      • Brumby Runner

        No mention of his crappy head high passes and the ones that missed the target altogether Adrian. His passing game did not, and has not, improve over the years. His problems have not been related to his cover defense or speed around the ground. At best, he is half a halfback, and should not be in the Wallabies.

        • joy

          Play 2 halves. Call them quarters. Genia on the left hand side and Phipps on the right. When off duty both to water boy.

      • Brisneyland Local

        Sorry Adrian, Phipps was not good. Genia was average, Phipps was crap. He bought more energy but a pass that was all over the shop like a mad persons shit. Plus to have your integrity questioned by Wayne Barnes is just appalling. Continues to demonstrate that he has too many brain farts. He is a disgrace to the jersey!

    • I’m not sure about Phipps, he was often shocking at a time when the ABs had lost interest. Did you see that lovely pass to touch for example? I’m not saying Genia was good but Phipps was poor too. Yes, he had his moments but his core skills went AWOL. If they’re really the best two in Australia it’s time to brace for a real walloping by everyone. I think it’s time to look for 2 new scrum halves. It’s not like the comments about Genia and Phipps are new after all.

      I think Hannigan needs a bit more time and experience. He didn’t have a great game, I agree, but against this side, playing like this, who would, in fairness? That first 50 minutes was some of the most (one-sided) but brilliant rugby I’ve seen any side play. Lets see him against SA and Los Pumas and see how he looks. Even next week at Dunedin when the AB probably won’t play as well.

      • onlinesideline

        I agree re Phipps – the guy cant pass left to right – he throws it up above peoples shoulder 2 or 3 times a match. We need to teach people how to pass and kick in this code – its embarrasing beyond words.

      • SuckerForRed

        “… at times his core skills went AWOL…”
        Eloise this line sums up the problems with the Wallabies at the moment. A apparent lack of core skills.

      • Brisneyland Local

        EP, I agree. Then the incident with the umpire is enough for me to kick him off the team!

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          I didn’t see what that was about at the game. What did he do

        • Brisneyland Local

          I will paraphrase! A player was taken out behind play, Phipps started mouthing off to Wayne Barnes about it being a card penalty. Wayne said he didnt appreaciate being spoken to in that manner, and that it wasnt Phipps place to be talking to him. Then Phipps denied that he even said it, when Barnes not only heard him say it but saw him say it too. So Wayne Barnes questioned his integrity and spoke to Hooper (who by the way is the fucking worst captain we have had). That lack of integrity, not apologising to Barnes and owning his poor judgement, is just the typical poor behaviour and poor culture that we see from Phipps repeatedly. He is a disgrace.

        • Who?

          I thought that penalty was very lucky for us… It was pretty soft interference on Foley, who went down a little more easily than he might’ve (not saying it was a dive, but he didn’t fight for his feet as hard as he could), and honestly, a chip and chase from your own 5m line?! If Cooper had done that, this website would’ve been burned down with the hate!

        • Brisneyland Local

          Yep I hear you. I am just over Phipps and his repeated lack of judgement. But agree Foley milked that one for all it was worth.

        • But if you were in charge, the team would probably look very different. It might well play better too but that’s a different matter.

        • Brisneyland Local

          I am not a coach. Due to my past carreer a leader in difficult circumstances perhaps! But one thing I set and have always expected is clear goals, clear standards, and zero tolerance from dickheadism!

      • RedAnt

        Yeah, except Hannigan was shit against the Fijians, Scots and Italians. Maybe he’s just not up to it.

        • jamie

          And keeping him in gold hurts his chances to bulk up and condition himself even more…

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Ouch!

        • jamie

          He’ll have a shorter preseason and spend less time building strength in the gym. Curse in disguise IMO.

      • Kiwi rugby lover

        Apart from his attitude, which at least comes from passion, my biggest issue with Phipps is that in the time he has been on the scene he doesn’t seem to have improved his passes. I don’t know if it’s a lack of coaching, poor coaching or a lack of his own ability to learn but I would think that with a good coach and being a full time rugby player he should have worked on that. If you take his speed and enthusiasm and then add a good fast pass he’d be pretty good.

        • The trouble is, for a scrum-half, surely you should start from a good pass? You can argue about very fast vs incredibly accurate a bit, and bossing the pack well needs to be in there too. Speed around the park to get to every ruck, to run the cover defensive role you normally expect of a 9 helps. All the other things are nice extras.

          The only time I felt sorry for a player in a 9 shirt who couldn’t do it, was when the Italian coach of the time picked one of the Bergamasco brothers, who normally played flanker, to start at scrum-half. He’s a decent flanker but not a scrum-half and it really showed. But, everyone in the world knew that, apart from the coach apparently. Phipps is better than Bergamasco was but he still makes way too many mistakes at what is one of his fundamental skills and he still gets picked.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Yeah and I’d think he would recognise that, learn from it and get better. He’s really letting himself down. I also wonder how much his passing suffers from his attitude and getting wound up mentally affects his passing. I think there’s a lot in that

        • It’s hard to say without knowing him. Jimmy Cowan (to go back a few years) always seemed to get wound up and be on the edge in a way that Phipps is but in most of his games it seemed to inspire him to play better in terms of his skills at least – he was more likely to make daft decisions and seek confrontations/carry the ball into contact at the wrong times.

          But how different people react to pressure, and that famed lack of time at test match level, varies. (I don’t think Phipps is that secure at Super Rugby level either, but that’s a whole different conversation.)

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          I think the difference is that Cowan had the coaches and players to influence him the right way. I’m not sure Phipps either has that or will listen to it if it is there.

    • Kiwi rugby lover

      Mate you and I have a very different opinion on what great means on the rugby field. I really don’t see Beale as a 12. He was shut down very easily and his defence was crap.
      I agree Hannigan was ineffective, I’d like to see Timani and McMahon start together. Not sure on Phipps over G but I’d have Kerevi at 12, Kuridrani at 13, Roda and Folau on the Wing and Beale at 15.

      • McWarren

        Drop Folau KRL, he was caught out in defence on the wing too often. Give Perese a run. Hodge to 12 for his boot if for no other reason. Get Lance in green and gold immediately and send Foley and Beale back to the Tahs.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          I think if Folau played wing and stayed there in attack and defence he’d learn to defend there better. He’s still your best player in the air and with space so I’d definitely keep him in. At the same time I’d love to see Peresa in there. He’s got speed and a great kick

      • Dud Roodt

        I am not surprised our opinions on Beale differ!
        He was the only player who looked like he was actively going after the ball. I thought his defence was the best of a bad bunch. I have a sneaking suspicion Beale would have to beat the ABs singlehandedly and you’d still find points to criticise him on!
        I think McMahon to 6, Timani to 8 would be good. But I thought McMahon was quite average really.
        Can’t disagree with your suggested backline

        • joy

          Not surprised with Roda in there.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Yeah I know I’m biased against Beale. Maybe I’ll just let it go I guess and agree to disagree. I still think he’s a better wing or fullback as those positions allow him to get his attack going with more space. I just don’t see him as a 12

        • Adrian

          Notwithstanding anything, and accepting you see Beale better suited to the back 3, what would you think of Beale at 10 in a completely revised backline Kiwi?

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          No mate I don’t think you get the best out if his attacking skills in close to the tight action. Even his defence was best when he came across to defend out wide. Beale needs space to be effective on either attack or defence so I’d have him at wing or fullback. However, after winning MOTM I’m sure he’ll stay at 12

        • idiot savant

          I agree he needs space. I think the best he played for Australia was at 15, and he would’ve held the post for a long time if he didn’t lose confidence under the high ball. However, he was a great at 12 for the Tahs in their championship year. In both positions though he didn’t make the play but used his speed and game sense to take advantage of opportunity he saw created by others. He has good vision. Apart from a few games in the first incarnation of the NRC, I have never seen him be an Influencer at 10. Has he matured into a playmaker? Maybe, but Im not sure Cheka would ever drop Foley.

        • Nutta

          I actually have a slightly different opinion.

          To be clear, my opinion doesn’t matter. The powers that be have approved him to play. So I’ll just deal with that… Chk Chk BOOM.

          Now, leaving aside all other stuff and just looking at him as a player, there is no doubt in my opinion that he could play at 10 now that he’s matured a little (playing wise).

          He has always had very good hands and ball skills. He has good vision. He is not a bad kicker from his off-foot and I don’t think i ever saw him charged-down. And he has a fantastic turn of speed when required to prevent/exploit early-sliding defenders. He is also brave enough to back himself with chips, maggots and steps against a rush-defence.

          So I have no issue giving him a crack at 10 now that he has matured a little as a player and especially given his ability to back-up in support. It also means you can run Boppas like Hodge outside him for a better defensive line.

        • Ed

          That was the Wallabies man of the match. Crotty was the man of the match for the test.
          When we lose, there are two man of matches – Folau was Wallabies’ MOTM for the Scotland match – dunno why as it should have been Coleman. Oh wait, he is a tight five forward, can’t give it to one as that would be unAustralian.

        • Who?

          The problem with Beale is that he’s being asked to play 12. And 12’s are meant to defend in the front line. You don’t see SBW, Laumape Farrell, etc falling into the backfield.
          But Beale in the backfield is electric! We all saw that last night. So why are we asking him to play a position where he should be defending in the front line, when we should be asking him to run from the back?! It’s not like he can’t inject himself into the attacking line wherever he wants from 15 – he arguably has MORE freedom in attack at 15 than at 12.
          So what does Cheika do, along with Grey? He plays Beale at 12 in attack and 14/15 in defence. Which is just confusing. And it confuses the fans.
          It’s time for Cheika to stop being stupid and throwing random jerseys at players. Pick them in position, play them in position. Very simple stuff!

      • juswal

        Yet again, Kiwi rubber glover comes to GAGR to sledge Kurtley Beale. Can’t you take it to an NZ site? They have the Internet in NZ by now, surely.

        Weeks ago I challenged you to shut up about Beale. Why can’t you stop? No Australian rugby fan would go to an NZ site and spew all over it, week after week, about the failings of an NZ player.

        Why the administrators tolerate you here is beyond me. When I worked on this blog I had a brief to terminate kiwi trolls and you would have been dumped out of the lifeboat the first time you piped up.

        • Brisneyland Local

          Juswal, KRL is the only decent Kiwi on here, dont bag him. Not apreciated!

        • onlinesideline

          hes the only kiwi on here :)

        • joy

          Thats a big call after the mess in Canberra!

        • onlinesideline

          huh – what – come again ?

        • joy

          All those aussies that found out they are Kiwis.

        • onlinesideline

          ohhh – got it – bit slow on the uptake this morning

        • Brisneyland Local

          Thanks for the support.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Thanks mate

        • Brisneyland Local

          Credit given where credit is due!

        • onlinesideline

          All KRL said was that he preferred Beale at 15 – he didnt get personal in any way. Nothing wrong in that is there ?

          PS – he’s right.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Thank you

        • McWarren

          Well let me help. Beale was his usual high energy, highly visual, highly ineffective self. How many players did he put through gaps, and I mean Wallabies not AB’s?

          In defence of KRL he is not a Kiwi troll. He speaks more sense on this site then most of us combined and he is if nothing else very consistent with his summations on Beale.

          You seem to confuse critique with vitriol. What KRL writes is analysis and sometimes we’ll disagree. What you’ve offered is vitriol and just plain insult.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Thanks

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Thanks guys

        • Michael Hassall

          This is a blog isn’t it, allows the expressing of opinions.

          KRL continually offers insightful commentary about the game, the coaching and the relative merits of individual players, commentary that is as much as I can remember honest and generally respectful.

          None of that fits the bill of being a troll.

          If it is based on ongoing criticism of a single player, then half the posters on this site are trolls, based on their liking or disliking of individual players. Is it because he dares to offer some form of criticism for Beale. Beale is a grown man, I am sure he would be willing to read the criticism that KRL offers, which again from memory is mostly about his strengths and weaknesses as a footballer. KRLs offerings about Beale pale into insignificance compared to the dribble that others spew about Dean Mumm, Quade Cooper, Nick Phipps, etc.

          Carry on KRL, I enjoy the commentary.

        • Brisneyland Local

          Here here!

        • Nutta

          I think you’re being a bit strong there mate.

        • first time long time

          He sure is! I think the kiwis have a fully functioning NBN.

          Would it be ok if KRL said he loved Kurtley?

        • Nutta

          Nope

        • Kiwi Rugger

          Beale is sensational in scoring tries from broken play and fullback is exactly where he can counter attack most effectively.

        • lee enfield

          Love the attitude….You can have any opinion you want as long as it is the same as mine.
          Your post pretty much sums what is wrong with this country.

        • Ricky Johnson

          Its also worth noting that NZ got the internet before Australia.

          Jog on pleb.

      • Darrin Briggs

        Yes to that backline

    • Darrin Briggs

      Lol yes to all

  • Low Chop

    Hooper must have compromising photos of someone… Even though Australian rugby treated Liam Gill like a turd in a swimming pool, it would be nice if he came home to remind us that good #7s actually get turnovers. While the love affair with Hooper continues, Australia will have no balance in its backrow.

    • onlinesideline

      I agreeee – its a massive problem and with Pocock out its worse this year. With him captain now and gauranteed starter for the next x years – pfttt – its going to be dark days

      • Greg

        I would like to see Pocock as captain when he returns.

        We should get somethign for the paid sabbatical!

        • idiot savant

          I don’t expect Pocock to be picked at all for Australia again. I can’t imagine that Cheka wouldn’t resent the sabbatical deal. It would be out of character for him not to. And there is no way Pocock will ever be captain. He wouldn’t pass the citizenship test.

    • McWarren

      I don’t know what type of person Liam Gill is, but if I were him watching that game whilst eating his croissant on a warm terrace in the south of France I’d have smug grin on my face thinking bullet dodged.

  • mattmagoo

    Am i imaging it or for the last few years now the Wallaby defensive M.O. been to pull the opposition down while they move forward? I mean they give ground on just about every tackle; I thought the idea was to stop them in the tackle if not push them back, not hang on to them until they fall down ???

    • Low Chop

      Yea. Had to laugh when one of the commentators said after the Wallabies missed 3 tackes in a row and the ABs scored, that the wallabies needed to get their defensive structures right. What over analysed crap. How about just making the fucking tackles stick!!!!

      • Who?

        The tackles are easier to make if you’re not confused about where you should be. Both comments – “make the tackles stick” and “get the defensive structures right” are accurate. Doesn’t have to be either/or.

        • McWarren

          Yes but it doesn’t matter one jot what system your operating, when the man in front of you has the ball you tackle him at least and you drive him backwards and make him question his decision at best.

    • Sometimes, and I do mean sometimes, that is an ok tackle. You see scrum-halves tackle locks and blindsides that way quite often for example as a cover tackle, and the comment is “well done” because it’s hard for someone who is usually giving away a lot of weight to hit a player back on their own. Slowing them down, bringing them down even, without giving up the try is a success.

      But those are the exceptions, you expect your key players to hit them and stop them, ideally to drive them back a bit, yes. And the Wallabies didn’t do that, far too often.

    • Brumby Runner

      Right out of the Rob Simmons textbook on tackling technique.

      • Low Chop

        Spot on McW. The Wallabies missed 3 or 4 straight up one-on-one tackles in the forwards in the opening 2 minutes of the game. For mine that’s a commitment and tackling technique thing. Sure the farcical merry-go-round of ‘who’s defending in the mid field now’ didn’t help, but the failure to make the effort to get full shoulder contact on the ball carrier and bring him down was most telling. That is symptomatic of something far more sinister than a fucked up defensive ‘system’.

  • Bulldog Sing

    We missed Pocock he would have been 10 points difference but still a loss. Maybe why he doesn’t want to play.. He can’t change the result?

  • Nutta

    Let’s not kid ourselves. The 2nd half was because they backed off. Congratulations ABs.

    By half time we leaked 40 missed tackles with the majority missed by Beale, Kerevi, Hooper and Hannigan. But I thought the Centres and Flankers are supposed to be the 4 best defenders on a field? There’s the game right there.

    K’drani and Tatts starting the 2nd half was much needed but Hannigan needed to be replaced by Timani from the first bloody kickoff.

    Anyone else notice Folau was isolated for two tries tonight?

    What has happened to my game?

    I get the ABs are the world champs but 50pts? Seriously? From professionals?

    Make your tackles, reload with urgency, make your tackles, come onto the ball at pace, make your tackles and put multiple men in motion to make the defence make a choice.

    And make your tackles.

    And what galls me most is that we just spent $690,000 on match payments for that performance.

    • MungBean

      Yep. There’s no way the ABs would survive a stewards inquiry. Pulled the reins to stop a cleanout of Australian rugby.

      The fact that Grey didn’t resign after that reveals the absolute delusional arrogance of the Wallabirs setup

      • Brisneyland Local

        I was wondering if they were told to pull up to protect the gate for the next two matches!

        • Alister Smith

          It had that look about it. The ABs played almost mistake free rugby for the first 40 though and they also completely capitalised on all our mistakes so maybe it was just natural that they had to make a mistake or two in the second half. Also one of our tries was an intercept from deep and the other was a little lucky not to be disallowed.

        • Brisneyland Local

          I would never infere anything untoward, but they certainly took their foot off our throats! We didnt fight back, they switched off, checked out and had boarded their plane mentally before the fulltime whistle had gone.

        • Alister Smith

          boarded their plane mentally…you aren’t suggesting anyone “mentally” stopped in the disabled toilets at the airport I hope

        • Brisneyland Local

          well perhaps one might have! ;-)

    • onlinesideline

      how did you arrive at 690k exactly ?

      • Nutta

        $30k match payment multiplied by 23 man squad.

        • onlinesideline

          pfttt – no wonder we’re broke

        • Nutta

          That is completely separate from contract salaries and operating costs of course.

    • joy

      Stats show 30 missed tackles for the whole match. NZ missed 24.

      Main offenders were Rona (AKA Roda) who missed 7 of 12, Speight 5 of 9, Kerevi 4 of 9 and Hooper 3 of 11.

      Perennial fall guy, Beale, missed 2 of 9 cf Sonny Bill’s 3 of 12.

      Multiple high counts point to systemic failure.

      Incidentally Hannigan made 8 of 8.

      • Nutta

        Joy my half time tackle count came off the half time stats screen. To be fair I think it was 39 so I’ll take correction on 1. Beale wore 12 and Kerevi wore 13 and I counted at least 18 clear misses through their channels. Thats their turf. That’s their role. That’s their cop. If other guys were jammed in there to cover the nominated 12 & 13 deficiencies then that’s an even worse indictment.

        Hannigan did not play well. If we play open and blind then the blind must be physically dominant. He wasn’t. Simple.

        If we insist on playing a compressed D then we must be fit and committed enough to get up off the line in an ordered line or they simply go wide first to stretch and tire you and then they go through the centre.

        • joy

          I use Kiwi stats because I think they know a bit about rugby. Their records also show the All Blacks made a total of 18 clean breaks in the game.

        • Nutta

          I’ll tell you what I do agree with though, and that’s your point on systemic. We pick 2 guys as CENTRES who we KNOW are ordinary defenders to play against the world champs who have come off a warm up series against the best rep team in the world? And so we somehow think the ABs WONT score cricket numbers?

          Just another day of dystopian alternate realities in Christie St, St Leonard’s obviously.

        • Alister Smith

          Perhaps a bit of the difference is their ability to capitalise on errors. We miss a tackle they score. They miss a tackle we dont always.

  • RedsFanDan

    This is what happens when you spend a month in build up to the Autumn internationals doing fitness instead of working on your systems.

    Until we have coordinated coaching and standardised KPIs across super rugby so that ALL Wallabies eligible players can be called up to camp ready to go this will keep happening.

    • McWarren

      This is what happens when the nucleus of your team is taken from the most out of form over hyped team in super rugby.

      This is what happens when your coach is incapable of original thought.

      This is what happens when we revert to players who haven’t done it in the past and ignore guys who are currently the best in there position in Australia.

      This is what happens when we don’t play players in position in attack and defence.

      This is what happens when we belligerently stick with wrong decisions, such as Folau being a good fullback and defender, or Hooper being our best 7.

      This what happens when we don’t value tried and tested rugby skills such as a long kick, a hard tackling 6, a smart captain.

      • Darrin Briggs

        I agree especially regarding Hooper as choice of captain. He is a great player but he’s not at a number 7th bootlace. Our back row will be unbalanced and uncompetitive as long as he’s our number 7.

      • Brumby Runner

        On the mark with every observation, McW. Especially about the predominance of players selected from the most over-hyped team in SR.

      • Kiwi rugby lover

        Interesting that with less time the AB’s still had 2 warmup games. Fitness and skills only goes so far and Hansen and co obviously decided game time was more important

        • McWarren

          Spot on KRL, I made the same point elsewhere. I knew when i was 15 it didn’t matter how many hill sprints I did, or how many miles I put under the belt, nothing beats game time. How many of the Wallabies were running up those hills with rugby balls in there hands? How often during the game last night did you see our players needing to run with tape over there mouths? And I didn’t once see an occasion that required a heavy rope to be carried in single file. But who knows maybe in Buenos Aires that will be useful?

      • Will

        This is what’s been happening for 15yrs….

    • Mike Thompson

      The scrum, lineout, kickoffs and attack all functioned reasonably. So many “systems’ were fine.

  • adastra32

    But does he have a sick note? If he hasn’t, I think one might be on its way….

  • Adrian

    Apart from bringing on Kurandrani, defence pattern looked simpler in the 2nd half. Beale at least seemed to be defending in the line.

    Did anyone else notice this?

    • McWarren

      Clutching at straws my friend.

    • joy

      Yes. Kerevi looked lost.

    • idiot savant

      The defence looked better without Kerevi thats for sure. TK and later Hodge seemed more at ease with the defensive system. And TK is a much better tackler than Kerevi.

  • Gottsy

    That was woeful. Just after half time, Cheika said that our problem was that we lacked urgency in defense. If that’s what he really thinks then we are in deep shit. We lacked accuracy in defense, and we lacked an actual structure that worked.
    As predicted, our entire back row was ineffectual. If the coaches we have can’t get a squad full of professional rugby players to not leak 5 tries in a half then we need to find coaches that will.
    Cheika is clearly clueless, saying after the match that we should be scoring points with the squad we have- I’m sorry but 1. It’s not our biggest problem, and 2. IT’S YOUR JOB TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.
    Whatever chance we had of getting fans back into caring about the wallabies this year has just gone to shit.

    • Adrian

      Why angry that this happened if you predicted it?

      • Who?

        Because he didn’t want to be proved correct. :-( Prophets of doom aren’t generally happy when their predictions come to pass.

      • Gottsy

        Because in cases like this, I love to be proven wrong. I had no idea what had been happening in training for the three weeks they were in camp- as it turns out, not too much.

        • onlinesideline

          strecthing those bloody green rubber bands with their hips – thats what

        • Gottsy

          And running up hills holding hands

        • Ed

          And taping mouths…

        • joy

          Good question

      • Gottsy

        Plus, just because I predicted it, doesn’t mean I’m happy about it.

      • Brumby Runner

        Probably the most insightful comment I’ve seen you make on this forum Adrian. The game went almost exactly as I predicted beforehand and I don’t feel angry at all. I will be very angry if next week we have the same coaches and game plan as we’ve had for the past two years and still have a team dominated by Waratahs players when the Tahs were one of the poorest performing sides in SR this year.

        • McWarren

          Yeah a Tahs team who made an art out of letting teams put big scores on them only to come home with a wet sail against a switched off team.

    • Sevenwithasixonmyback

      How often does a coach get interviewed mid-game from the coaches box with play underway on the paddock?
      Unseen before.
      Tragic stuff.

      • onlinesideline

        players walking off at half time huffing puffing is not far behind

      • Darrin Briggs

        I agree its rubbish

      • Kiwi rugby lover

        They do it in Super rugby in Australia a lot. I don’t like it either

      • McWarren

        All season in super rugby.

  • Adrian

    Next week?
    1. Sio
    2. TPN, …Uelese bench, Moore out
    3. Alaalatoa
    4. Arnold
    5. Coleman
    6. Korycky (can’t spell).. Hanigan ok, but out
    7. Hooper
    8. Timani… McMahon better off bench
    9. Phipps, Powell bench, Genia out
    10. Foley
    11. Speight
    12. Beale
    13. Kurdrani
    14. Rona
    15. Folau
    Hunt in for Rona if fit

    • McWarren

      So you didn’t watch the game Adrian. Folau, Beale, Hooper and Foley were responsible for at least 4 AB tries. Erase the last 25 minutes of the game for a true reflection of our Performance. These guys work with Nathan Gray at the Tahs so they don’t have the excuse of not understanding his shit system.

      Your going to play an inside centre/fullback out of position if he’s fit?

      How about Phipps with 20 to go decides to run it from the back of a scrum 5 out from our line then doesn’t have the skills to pull it off. He has no rugby brain. When still you’ve got 20 to go you need to clear that ball 40 metres downfield and fifteen rows back, oh hang on no one in our backline have the skills to pull that off!!

      Time to clean the slate and reward the few guys who were in form this year, and all them wore Force and Brumby blue.

    • idiot savant

      I don’t think Korcyk, like Hanigan, is ready for test football. They both need another year of super rugby and to increase their strength. And I think McMahon has to start to provide some resistance over the ball.

  • SarriesFez

    Foley was terrible. A double liability as he gifted the All Blacks tries through poor basic skills then compounded that by butchering decent chances when you had them. Surely there are better options than him?

    • onlinesideline

      After that terrible kick to touch line by Foley that resulted in a quick thrown in by ABs then a try 3 phases later ( about 15 minute mark) It was deja vu. The guy just cant kick and yet we persist with him and wonder whyyyy ?

      • Ed

        Yep, the cute banana kick. Foley should have learned what the Lions did, if you intend to kick it out, ensure it goes into the stand so no quick lineout can be taken.

      • first time long time

        That was the try per game he gives up directly because of his kicking and barring some good luck it would have been 2 with that charge down

    • Kiwi rugby lover

      Mate that’s the problem here with having Kiwi 10’s who can’t get a gig in a NZ Super team playing here. The ARU needs to get Australian 10’s into all Super teams to develop the players who could challenge Foley

      • Mike Thompson

        As bad as Foley is (charged down yet AGAIN, can you believe it!!!) he is substantially better then any current alternative.

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          No he isn’t, he’s fucking woeful. He’s everything Cooper is accused of but worse, only without the moments of genius.

        • Mike Thompson

          No, I just can’t agree at all. This year for the Reds, Cooper has been an unmitigated disaster.

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          That’s an interesting point, but it has nothing to do with the fact that Foley consistently makes much worse blunders than Cooper for the Wallabies.

        • Wendy Wills

          Yes, Quade has had a poor season. He has been carrying injury but still playing. Just kept quiet about it. I think the Reds will have a better season next year. And personally, I’m glad he can’t be held responsible for last nights fiasco. Foley makes the same mistakes every damn game, a luxury Quade has never had.

        • McWarren

          How so? Yeas the Reds were poor but I think Cooper had a lot of good quality game time, not world beating but good. And he was carrying an injury most of the year. Foley was fully fit and at the helm of a team that was a shambles, how he and Hooper have gotten off scot free is beyond belief.

        • Mike Thompson

          I just can’t agree. This year I’ve watched Reds game after Reds game where Cooper was throwing passes which ended up on bootlaces, over-cooked cross field kicks into touch, shanked field kicks leading directly to tries against, ordinary goal kicking, dropping off tackles, yellow cards, red cards. A couple of times, I just had to turn off the TV, it was such a shambles. To me, the Reds looked much better when he was suspended. Much better. Without Ewen to guide him, Cooper has drifted worse and worse. Toulon got rid of him quick smart – the owner was pretty contemptuous of what Cooper had to offer.

          Foley has been ordinary, for sure, but to me, he isn’t nearly the unmitigated disaster which I now see in Cooper.

          Bring back Ewen. <—- officially a thing, now.

        • McWarren

          I certainly wouldn’t pay the slightest bit of attention to Toulon and it’s owner.

          I too watched every Reds game and saw Cooper put on some beautiful passes, passes others don’t see. I saw him running at full pelt and drop the ball onto his unfavoured left boot for a perfectly weighted grubbed for Perese to score. Yes I saw some rustiness and it does seem he has lost his fancy footwork, but he can kick without being charged down and get distance.

          Let’s face it since Ewen left the Reds all players who won that title have been written off as no good without Ewen, with the exception of Genia.

          If you’ve got Foley in your team because he is more reliable then Cooper, then you’ve chosen well. Foley is reliably mediocre in all aspects of 10 play. Give me Cooper fit with a real 12 outside him everyday of the week.

        • McWarren

          Lance, Cooper and even Beale are better. Drop him if only to give him the almighty kick up the arse he deserves. Drop him for the rest of the RC and see how he reacts. Will he piss off and sulk or will he go away learn to kick further and faster. Will he improve his tackling and decision making? I’m not so sure he’d choose the latter.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          I’m not sure in a game like that he is better than Cooper. But regardless he needs to step up

        • Parker

          I’d prefer if he stepped aside. He’s played too much in the last few years and really needs a rest.

      • SarriesFez

        Agreed. Its a problem for pretty much all countries except NZ from what I can work out. Ireland have a decent handle on it by the IRFU placing restrictions on the number of non-Irish players in specific positions in the four clubs that fall under their control so that they don’t have those shortages. Short-termism will always mean it makes more sense to get a very good player in as a quick fix rather than nurture one. Nick Evans at Quins would be a great example in the English premiership. Talented player and lovely guy but has basically stopped any development of an English fly-half at one of our better clubs. Tbh I am not quite clear what the cross over is between the ARU and the Auz clubs but the National team seems to be short of quality in too many positions.

    • Parker

      Yes we do. QC.

  • onlinesideline

    Why do the Wallabies recievers continally stand sooo flat to the point they are almost over running the passer. It has been happening for years.

    Do they like being bear hugged or something? Its embarassing.

    Do they honestly thing standing that flat is the way to beat a superbly structured AB rush defensive wall. Where was the depth and fast passing, chip kicks with 2 chasers and support – somethingg FFS

  • onlinesideline

    how old is Bob Dwyer exactly ?

    • adastra32

      Don’t know but in his home town he is known as Rip Van Dwyer.

      • onlinesideline

        well he should rip on down to Wallaby camp ASAP

        • adastra32

          Tripping over the full-length beard might be the biggest problem…

    • idiot savant

      Another Randwick coach, just what we need.

  • Tony Dun

    I was disappointed with Foley. when he received the ball he didn’t seem to look ahead, just to shovel it on. The ABs were never in doubt where the ball was going, so our backline was always under pressure. I have never been a great fan of Beale but i thought he was really good and we need him in the team.

  • onlinesideline

    anyone else think the last pass to Squire in first try was about 2m forward ?

    • ozrugbynut

      Yep, that was my instinctive view

  • Woolfe

    It’s quite uplifting not caring about the wallabies anymore, no frustration, calmly watching the them fall off tackles, admiring the skill of the opponents, having a beer and a chuckle, really you should try it sometime.

    • Mike Thompson

      I’ve been an avid and dedicated Wallabies supporter for 4 decades and I now feel the same way. After the Scotland loss, something snapped for me – this team/coach does not represent me or my ethic any longer. They are not my people.

      So, watching the game was not that bad. I was calm, dispassionate, txting, tuting, admiring and chucking. So much easier. (I thought the Deans years were tough, but this Cheika era is complete bloody murder).

      What a shame Ewen was knifed so that NSW could keep Beale. He knew how to produce a team that you could be proud of.

  • onlinesideline

    to those saying Folau should be on the wing. Did they see how Ioane beat him in such a small space – Izzy doesnt really have jet shoes off the mark or over distance.

    • first time long time

      He doesn’t make any tackles at FB either so whats the difference?

      • onlinesideline

        got me there

  • Greg

    Thanks very much for the write up.

    So….. what was good?
    – The scrum was pretty solid
    – Beale’s attack
    – Folau’s attack
    – the forward that ran back late in the game to cover a kick through from a mistake. He was waddling but he kept on waddling and got the ball.

    What was ok
    – the breakdown. not great but not a disaster

    What was woeful
    – basic skill: passing
    – basic skill: catching the ball
    – basic skill: not falling off tackles in the backs
    – 9: There were some good passes that hit people on the chest at speed but there were awful passes that had people jumping in the air or watching it sail over their head.
    – Foley’s kicking in general play. WHY is he providing charge down practice?
    – Hooper as captain. perhaps he will grow into it but I am not convinced.
    – backs defence…. but let’s be clear… we dramatically increased our defence requirements through coughing up the pill with mistakes.

    What to do?
    – time to give some of the younger 9s a run
    – get some starch in the back’s defence
    – let beale or hodge kick the $#%# ball
    – some more mongrel in the back row

  • J A R

    Nathan Grey has to realise that you can’t just bring your Super Rugby Defensive systems to internationals…..
    It’s not like the Waratahs looked like they could defend all season.

    • Will

      It doesn’t even work at Super level!! The Tah’s had the worst defensive record of all Super teams! He and his so called defensive system can f$ck off!!

  • onlinesideline

    “Ewen – Bill Pulver speaking mate – how are you ? (mosman chuckle)
    Hows the wife and kids ? Fantastic !
    Listen mate – as you’re probably aware I’m moving on soon but just re that episode a couple of years back, whats the chances of a take two on that old mate ? – things are looking pretty grim around here at the moment. Yeah – exactly, thats exactly right.
    Aha, aha , yesss, yeah, yeah.

    Ewen ? – Ewennnnn ? – you there ? – Hellooo ?”

    • Mike Thompson

      The “Bring Back Ewen” movement starts here !!!
      +1 below to begin this.

  • first time long time

    I’m thinking Kerevi may have been doing everything that was asked of him in this new “system” I have never seen him consistently run horizontally behind the defensive line like a sweeper before.
    So let’s not hang him out to dry just yet.
    The Ioane try had nothing to do with him, we had 3 defenders against 2 and Folau didn’t stay on his wing.
    A couple of the others well that’s a different story but I’m thinking Grey is more the issue.

    • Michael Hassall

      That was the second try wasn’t it? Kerevi made the tackle before in the middle of the field and was back on his feet trying to contribute after the recycle.

      Otherwise, agree Kerevi and Rona, and Speight were trying to defend in different positions to cover for Foley and Beale being at 10 and 12, or for some other reason to do with Gray’s system.

    • idiot savant

      Regardless of Grey’s systems, our defence was much better when TK replaced Kerevi. It might well be that Kerevi doesn’t understand them as well as TK, but Cheka will have to do something and given he has publicly supported Grey, he has no option but to drop Kerevi.

      • first time long time

        I don’t disagree.
        But you didn’t see TK running that sweeper line and I think that was a conscious change in tactics when he came on.
        Pure speculation on my behalf.

        • idiot savant

          Yeah, I agree there was a change. As Adrian said, Beale appeared to stop moving around as much, and when Hodge came on it got better again. However we also had a lot more ball in that part of the game then we had in the first half.

  • Fatflanker

    Nathan Gray must be the loneliest man in Australian sport at the moment. A thoroughly inept defensive performance from the Wallabies. There were some coach-killing individual efforts out there but it’s so evident his defensive systems don’t work – constantly conceding overlaps…players visibly tentative over committing to the tackle…ABs strolling through gaps in the line.

    It’s a real shame because elsewhere we were competitive. Ball-in-hand we made meters, scrum and lineout were solid, (and keep in mind a bloody good BIL team were challenged by this AB pack).

    Three observations from the game: I thought Barnes and his team had a decent game although I cannot understand how Joe Moody(?) wasn’t carded for his blatantly late hit on Philps, late in the game; the offside rule just isn’t being policed at all; the scrum feed is now a total joke.

    • onlinesideline

      and the last pass to Squire on wing re their first try was 2 meters forward and the ref was right there.

    • idiot savant

      Yes the set piece was encouraging apart from one scrum where we got pushed back but still managed to clear the ball. I love the way Barnes refs scrums. Several scrums collapsed but he said “use it.” Many other refs would’ve awarded penalties.

      I loved the overhead camera coverage on Channel 10. It clearly showed the AB tight heads routinely angle in. It happened in almost every scrum. Full marks to Sio for staying up. He’s really worked on his strength against the pull down.

    • Kiwi rugby lover

      Gray will be ok mate. His coach has 100% support for him so he can put the blame clearly on the players

  • Will

    If Grey hasn’t resigned why isn’t he front and centre explaining this shower of sh!t…. Cheik keeps referring to the players not having belief in themselves or the defensive system Grey has put in place – could it be we just don’t have the players for it and it needs to be simplified ??? Is it too complicated with sweeps, players out of position heck i don’t know?!

    • Kiwi rugby lover

      Bang on Will. I agree in a plan but if your players can’t do it the either change the plan or the players. Not a lot of options in the players so change the friggen plan

    • Fatflanker

      Its instructive that Dingo Deans resigned after his team badly lost the Lions third test and the series – the week before that, he was being applauded and could so easily have gone into that third test with two wins up. The coaches have to show some accountability.

  • Brisneyland Local

    Well fellow GAGR’s I have sobered up, just finished a 65km ride, and now I am trying to approach this logically, and non-emotively, but know I will fail miserably.

    That was complete and utter fuckin shite! The score line does not reflect the fact that the Kiwis just took their foot off it for the second half and coasted. Congrats to them, that was clinical display of attacking rubgy at its best. We are not in that league. My points in no particular order.

    – Cheika has to go. He must fall on his sword. He had more preparation time then the Wallabies have ever had and still totally blew dog! This playing players out of position has to stop.
    – Nathan Grey must go. Our defence was a shambles, it is too complex, and is trying to protect a bunch of players that cant defend. Bring in someone who knows what they are doing! He doesnt.
    – Our defence is the worst it has ever been, and the players were confused and could not adapt.
    – Beale, Kerevi, Hooper et al’s defence was really poor.
    – Beale (which all GAGR’s know I despise) had a 50/50 game. His attack was excellent. He should be playing 15. But his defence was poor, some of his passing was shocking.
    – I disagree with most about Phipps. He was not good. he was high tempo but again his passing was shit. Then to have your integrity questioned by Wayne Barnes is just an indictment. You mouth off to the referee, get caught doing it then deny you did it. Just fucking appalling, man up own it, apologise! He does not belong in the national team with repeated behaviour like this. What a fucking disgrace! No integrity, no honour, no values!
    – Foley was great with his place kicking but shit everywhere else. Other than the fact that he handed the kicking to others in the second half, because his kick for touch in the first half barely made 15 metres! His passing was crap, his defence worse. And people call Quade flakey!
    – Hooper was absent, as a player and more importantly as Captain! Man we need Pocock back badly.
    – Folau had a shocker.
    – Beale to 15, Kerevi back to 12.
    – Hannigan was struggling.
    – McMahon was busting a gut, but achieved little.
    – I thought Moore looked the lesser of evils in the first half. But then again everyone looked bad.
    – Genia was not as bad as others made him out to be, he looked faster then previous matches, and at least his pass was accurate.
    – OUr scrum held.
    – We were gifted a try by a pass that was so forward. Then the Kiwis were not granted a try from Foley totatl fuck up that should have been one. that so flattered the score line.

    Overall that was utterly appalling. People are crowing about the fight back. WTF? There was no fightback, NZ switched off and coasted. I am sorry but there was nothing good out of that match. We are broken and must go back to the drawing board! Over to you guys!

    • Kiwi rugby lover

      Who do you replace Cheika with?

      • Brisneyland Local

        Me personally it would be Brad Thorn, perhaps with a Rod McQueen or Bill Dwyer as a mentor / director of coaching.

        • idiot savant

          Jesus, not Bill. Bob was bad enough.

        • Brisneyland Local

          Him too. I should never type my entries whilst pretending to help my children with their homework!

  • Greg

    Any takers on the yellow card discussion from last night?

    Personally, I didn’t think it was any where near yellow.
    Late? yes.
    Dopey? yes.
    Dangerous? no.
    scoring position? no.
    Phipps a dick? yes.

    • Brisneyland Local

      Yep agree. Phipps has consistently proven himself to be the biggest dick in Aus rugby for the last 5 years!

    • first time long time

      I agree but Barnes was considering it, he fumbled at his pocket…… And then Phipps opened that hole in his face and Barnes’ attention was then directed at telling him to shut T F up.

      • MCOD

        ha-ha FTLT that made me snort out my coffee!!

  • david baldwin

    I feel un-Australian for saying it but I hope that the Wallabies get another 50 put on them. Hopefully then the ARU will realise that Chieka is incapable of formulating a tactical approach, he is all fire and brimstone and we need more than that. Grey is an absolutely shocking defensive coach and Larkham cannot coach a coherent attack – his structures are outdated, ineffectual, far too rigid and very predictable. No surprise that the Reds and Brumbies struggled this year in attack – they used the same patterns!

    Firstly to the systems in attack and defence. The attacking system is a joke. People will point to our 30 odd points but two of those were from set piece, one being a lucky Kuridrani wraparound, unlike Crotty’s straight forward running line. I know that they look pretty but they mean nothing if we have no real attack in phase play. The All Blacks just line our forward carriers up and pick them off as they know where the ball is going. The Wallabies (read Brumbies and Reds) were also kind enough to stand in an arrow formation for them to really highlight who the carrier is. Then we decide to get “clever” and play in behind but they know that is coming so we are constantly under pressure and caught throwing poor passes. We are so structured that when we do get into that second line, we have scope to pick a defender off but cannot react.

    Our other tries were simply good fortune and arguably generous refereeing with Folau and Beale. Ironically we played better off unstructured play and should return to that again.

    In terms of defence, the system is beyond ridiculous. Stop shifting players, stop trying to manufacture linespeed, stop defending so narrowly. These are not new issues for Grey but we seem to be extremely slow to learn the lesson OR (and this is my fear) to arrogant/stubborn/stupid to see that there is a problem.

    In terms of individuals, Moore is a passenger and TPN was better. Arnold is big but nothing more. Time to either blood Tui or Rodda. I really liked that Force second rower – Matt Phillip – thought he was quite the mongrel all year. Hannigan is not a test player, not now, not ever in my opinion. We should never have dumped Higganbotham! Time to look at guys like Naisarani or even a young gun like Caleb Timu cause at least those blokes can hit and carry! McMahon looked as rusty as you would expect from someone who has not played all year.

    Genia looked reasonable and more accurate than Phipps but not as lively. Foley again failed to spark our attack and was shit everywhere else. How many charge downs can one bloke have before Cheika’s erection subsides??

    Beale was ok but very lateral, he is a full back, not a 12! Kerevi looked strong in his carries but defensively was caught out. Needs work on this but Grey’s defensive system, which clearly requires participants to have a Phd if they are to execute it effectively, could not help big Samu. Personally I would stick with him but perhaps shift to 12 where I think he is much better suited. Back three were ok but defensively caught narrow a few times. This has to be a system issue because Speight is a very good defender normally and Folau is the same – I still remember his try saver on Savea years ago when he thumped him into touch.

    All in all, new coaching staff, bring back Quade and Higgers and play a game that is less structured and more instinctive. No surprise that we looked dangerous in June everytime Quade came on and to be fair, i know Cheika hates Higgers but I am still yet to meet a Kiwi that does not think that bloke is a beast and should be starting for the Wallabies every week.

    Final point – Bring back Liam Gill and fuck Hooper off.

    • onlinesideline

      Its painful but I also think the comeback was the worst thing to happen. The difference between 52-6 and say 76-6 could have been Cheika’s demise ( something we all know is going to happen – hes totally out of his depth)

      Problem is we dont have anyone to weild the axe. We are totally rudderless.
      Agree on other selection points as well. Why does Cheika accept other players defence weaknesses but cans QC for his – because thats what I believe is the reason he was dropped. I dont think its the brain fades and if it is then what do you call last nights performance.

      • david baldwin

        I know for a fact that Higgers and Quade are more outspoken than most and if they perceive something to be wrong, like an instruction from a coach, then they have no problem speaking up. My mail tells me that Cheika absolutely HATES people standing up to him – skin as thin as Trump – which is why two of our more naturally gifted players are not being considered anymore.

        It is not even standing up per se, it is more just asking questions. I understand it to be very much “my way or the highway”.

        • onlinesideline

          thats a major worry then

        • Michael Hassall

          was the taping the mouths shut more than symbolic then?

    • Simon

      The key will be how the Wallabies do against the Boks and Pumas IMO. The ABs are out of our league completely, I don’t think the ARU is going to hold Cheika accountable for losses to the them no matter how big.

      But I think there’s a very real chance we’ll lose to the Boks at home as well as away, and potentially even the Pumas. If that happens and we come last in the RC it might enough to force the ARU to wield the axe. Unfortunately even then it’ll be Cheika who cops it and not the equally responsible assistant coaches and indeed the entire Australian rugby system. They’ll replace the veneer on the surface while the rotten structure underneath keeps falling apart.

      • idiot savant

        I don’t think Cheka answers to anyone, and Pulver is going so I can’t see anyone from the ARU doing anything. And Cheka is a smart man. Id be surprised if his contract has any performance clauses in it. The ARU would have to pay him out millions as he is signed until after the end of he next RWC. Besides, who else is there? Cheka has an impressive CV as a coach. The only fix here is for the players to get better at executing Cheka’s game plans.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          As you say mate. “who else is there?” I can certainly sympathise with the calls for removing him as he really doesn’t seem to provide anything except passion and motivation but the fact is that the years of the old boys network looking after their mates hasn’t allowed for a cohesive coach development path and there actually isn’t anyone else waiting in the wings. Unless of course they go off shore again.

        • idiot savant

          Personally I think the coaching skills are so poor here now that the next coach should be foreign (Id love Gatland) and should probably be foreign for 15 years to stamp out the negative effects of interstate rivalry. I think we need foreign coaches in our super rugby franchises as well (Wessells learnt his rugby elsewhere).

          Since the game went professional, the money overseas has developed coaching and strategies that have left us behind. Cheka himself brought some good things back from OS but perhaps his roots here or his personality traits lead to limitations that don’t allow him to be a better coach.

        • jamie

          Link, Fisher, Wessels are 3 I can throw up. Good coaches, good motivators.

        • idiot savant

          Im not sure about Fisher as a head coach and Link is not a serious option given the politics. Wessels maybe, but has he done enough yet? Its bad enough handing permanent test spots to players who have a good NRC, lets not rush our coaches into the cauldron as well. The only option that the ARU will consider is Larkham. He’s got the nod and the wink from St.Leonards and will expect the gig straight after the RWC in Japan. Unless we win it, in which case Cheka will have earned another 4 years.

        • david baldwin

          Your comment sums up the issue with Australian rugby though. Link is hands down the best option and yet because of politics and a lack of spine from certain people in the game, he is not considered and his talent and understanding of rugby is not being utilised.

        • Parker

          Screw the politics. They’ve got to get over them.

      • Kiwi rugby lover

        I think we’ll struggle against the Boss at home too. They look like they’ve stepped up this year and were very good against Argentina

        • idiot savant

          Im not so sure. I watched the game this afternoon and thought both sides were on par with us. Very good in patches but inconsistent. Having said that, the Boks should be more cohesive by the time they play us so last nights game may not be a true indicator. One of these days all those pop passes from the Argies forwards are going to stick and they are just going to rip a side apart up the middle.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Yep. Just hope it’s not against us when it happens

        • joy

          Well I certainly do. He does, however, let me have the last word, “yes dear”.

    • idiot savant

      Dream on David! Grey is going nowhere. Cheka was emphatic after the match that he backed Grey’s defensive systems “100% mate”. Which means that he can only blame the players. Kerevi will be made an example of and dropped altogether. While I think the defensive system is an issue, its also clear that Kerevi has a history of poor defensive reads and missed tackles. We were so much better in D when TK came on. Its possible that this may be a turning point in Kerevi’s career and he may be sent back to super Rugby for a while to work on it.

      • Mike Thompson

        The Wallabies made 57 tackles in the first half and missed 35. Think about how crap that is.
        So the issues are to do with BOTH “attitude” and “structure”.

        Grey might be responsible for structure, but surely Cheika is on the hook for attitude.

        • idiot savant

          I agree. But Cheika has already said he backs Grey 100% which is the same as saying that he doesn’t think theres anything wrong with the structure or system. Cheka is blaming the players and Kerevi will get most of it.

        • Adrian

          I think Cheika has to say that he backs his assistant 100%. He’s hardly going to slag him in public.

          I used to think he meant it, and he probably did.

          I’m not so sure now.

          I think Cheika is fumming about the defence.

          I think Cheika “took over” defence for second half, …..but like everyone here, I could be wrong.

        • idiot savant

          Thats true he has to appear supportive because he has only just appointed Grey full time for I dont know how many years on the back of a season where the Wallabies let in more tries than any other top tier nation and a super rugby season where Grey’s men also leaked a lot of tries. And besides its an easy fix right?

      • jamie

        Kerevi is still young. And a 12. His reads as a 13 at international level is not going to be as TK because he’s not played there, at any level, anywhere near as much as TK has.

        It certainly didn’t help kerevi to have the 10-12 inside him that he did, and Grey’s structure is at least partly to blame. Speight is a fine tackler, but he looked shit last night.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Also 13 is probably the hardest defensive position on the field and having a non specialist there never works. We did it in the past with Wilson and Cullen, both excellently players in their respective position and both failed.

        • McWarren

          Just forced myself to watch the 1st half again. This time I turned the sound of Kearns and Horan off. Kerevi I think has been unfairly singled out. Apart from Crottys try on half time he wasn’t to blame for the other first half tries. Certainly he missed tackles but no more than then others. In fact he pulled off a few try savers and defused a Barret chip under the posts. The whole team looked confused in D.

    • Kiwi rugby lover

      I’d like to see Tui in the mix although I think he’s injured at the moment. We had a guy like Arnold when I was playing at school. We used to get one of our guys to punch him in a ruck and point out an opponent as doing it. Used to fire him up and he then was massive. Maybe Arnold needs that as well.

      • Will

        hahaha!!

    • Angela Train

      At least Wallabies teams under Deans got close. That was a different kind of pain. It was better than this though. Being embarrassed like that sucked

      • Parker

        Broken record time, but that’s when Muggleton’s defensive coaching was still having an effect.

  • Will

    https://youtu.be/WN6a0cSf78I

    The impossible dream….

    • onlinesideline

      that house at the end – a dream

  • Greg

    let’s see if this works…..

    I found a gif of our defensive line

    https://media.giphy.com/media/O38dU2kkQ9sWc/giphy.gif

  • Hoss

    Player ratings
    1. Sio 6 – thought was solid
    2. Squeak 2. Last game in gold – the game has passed him by
    3. 7A’s – 3 went missing
    4. Coleman – 7 and our best, I would like to see more ball carries though
    5. Arnold – 5 tradesmen like effort and impact
    6. Hannigan 3 – was he on the field ?
    7. Hooper 4 – plenty of energy but FA impact
    8. McMahon – 3 same as Hannigan – not sighted
    9. Genia – 3 – pure shite and offers nothing – time to move on.
    10. Foley – 3 this guy is diabolically inconsistent
    11 Speight – 5.5 – looked for work and toiled hard, having kerevi inside made life horrible in D
    12 Beale 6.5 – glad his back
    13 Kerevi 1 – simply appalling
    14 Rona 4 – found out badly in D, but didn’t give in
    15 Folau 4 & poor, 1 good run isn’t diorhea
    16 TPN 6 – how didn’t he start
    17 Kepu 5.5 – must start
    18 Robinson – how is he a Wallaby ?
    19. Simmons 5. Need his grunt
    20. Timani – 5 bent the line and must start
    21 Kurindrani – 5, we looked better with him on, even if the ABs had put the cue in the rack earlier.
    22 Phipps 5, must start
    23 Hodge – 4 need his boot, D and size – must start on wing

    • idiot savant

      Pretty accurate. Id give McMahon an extra point. He worked hard in and around the rucks. He was doing the right things for the team just beaten for strength. If our clean outs had been faster he would’ve won some turnovers.

    • Brisneyland Local

      Agree pretty much with you as always Hoss. Except on Phipps. Whilst he was up in intensity, he was shit on his passing. And his episode with Wayne, just another Phipps recidivist brain snap. What a fuck wit!

  • Tommy Brady

    A very sobering day when Bledisloe Cup matches resort to a one sided bloodbath that then transcends into an exhibition type of affair full of errors, inaccuracy and defused of intensity. All played in a half full stadium. Is this really what this great, historic rivalry has now become? The people responsible for this should be ashamed. They know who they are.

    It all though pales into insignificance with the news of the sad passing of the great Sir Colin Meads. An All Black from 1957 – 1971. 55 tests and 131 games in the Black jersey. Some label him the greatest All Black ever. Rugby is the poorer without him. RIP Pinetree.

  • Kiwi Rugger

    Does anyone want to comment on the fact the Wallabies won the second half 28 -14

    • onlinesideline

      would have been nicer if we werent prison raped in the first half

      • Kiwi Rugger

        That’s why I suggested the second half as a discussion point.
        Wallabies are playing next Saturday in Dunedin, so time may be better spent looking at what went right in the second half.

        • first time long time

          Yep if we can get the ABs to start sipping pinocoladas at kick off rather than after 50min we are in with a shot!

    • jamie

      Doesn’t make an inkling of difference. ABs parked the bus

    • Tommy Brady

      Happily. The All Blacks were very poor in the 2nd half. For a side that struggled to cope with the white hot intensity of test match rugby in the B&I Lions series, they missed a great opportunity here to retain their focus, intensity and accuracy in the 2nd half last night. Instead they got lazy, careless and got way too smart for themselves and showed a distinct lack of maturity. They got outplayed by a side they had badly outplayed in the 1st half and credit to the Wallabies for making the All Blacks look rather foolish.

      Tell Damian McKenzie, TJ Prenara, Beaudan Barrett, Artie Davea and Lima Sopoaga to show some respect for the occasion and save their festival type, Barbarians style bs for occasions that warrant it. Bledisloe Cup matches in Sydney are not if! After the failings of Wellington and Auckland 5-6 weeks ago think about preparing to play test match rugby against South Africa at Ellis Park, England at Twickenham, Ireland in Dublin. That is test match rugby! It is also the legacy of the Bledisloe Cup.

      • Kiwi Rugger

        If you were allowed to play Barbarian rugby why wouldn’t you ?

      • Kiwi Rugger

        I apologise for the All Blacks scoring 8 tries in a non Barbarian match.
        Refresh my memory – what is the maximum allowed in a Bledisloe ?

        • Tommy Brady

          My answer was in response to your original posting which asked if anyone wished to comment on the fact the Wallabies won the 2nd half 28-14. It ended there.

        • Kiwi Rugger

          The problem you have is that your comments drew a response and therefore didn’t end there.Next you’ll be complaining about tryless games.

        • Tommy Brady

          You seem to imply my comments related to the entire match which is incorrect. I maintain the quality of much of the All Blacks rugby in the 2nd half was poor in thought and execution.

        • Kiwi Rugger

          Ok so the Wallabies started well and ended well.
          What more can you ask for?

        • Who?

          I think Tommy’s a Kiwi, so… A full 80 minute demolition from the ABs, rather than just 53 minutes..? ;-)

        • Kiwi Rugger

          I actually agree with most of what he said.
          But he’s not a kiwi
          -you can tell by the accent.

  • Blinky Bill of Bellingen NSW

    Interestingly I sat on the couch and had very few ‘throw stuff at the TV’ moments. I’m not quite sure why that was, as I sure as hell wanted the Wallabies to win or come close. I think it was a case of ‘yep the reality is here’s where we’re are at the moment’, and I was emotionally prepared for what unfolded.
    It was pretty obvious from our poor Super performance against NZ teams, that we would struggle when they combined to make the AB’s. Mind you, I still hoped for the best, and to be fair they gave their best It’s just that their not good enough by a long shot.

    • Brisneyland Local

      BB, I didnt throw a single item at the wall. I am sure my plasterer was expecting a call this morning! I towards the end wasnt wantting them to score. I was wanting them to lose and lose big. That way the inevitable of sacking Cheika and Grey would happen sooner!

      • Blinky Bill of Bellingen NSW

        Ha, ha. Bad luck for your guy gyprock you reckon? There’s a little win right there. ;-]

        I’m not happy with their performance, especially defense, but I’ll never want them to lose. However I can see where you’re coming from. Despite our failure to defend, Chieka has ‘one hundred confidence’ in Nathan Grey, so perhaps it’s some new system that needs time? I’d of thought make your tackles would have been essential regardless, would be a good place to start.

        • Brisneyland Local

          I had to laugh, at the 26th minute mark we were 26 points down and had missed 26 tackles. It is almost like the number of the beast!

      • Fatflanker

        I’m not sure the sacking would be inevitable TBH. ARU management are tripping over each other in the race for the exit door – who will be left to stand up and make the call? For better or worse, I think Cheika will be our coach through to the RWC. Cheika would probably need to sanction Grey going too and that doesn’t seem about to happen. Best we can hope for is a resignation.

        Failing that, we need a settled team that can at least become familiar with each other and the bizarre defence system Grey is running. Perhaps by the next RWC it will sort of work.

        • Brisneyland Local

          The sad thing is I think you are correct. Mind you I am prepared to personally finance a front page ad in the The Australian calling for both of thier resignations. I am prepared to get 100,000 signatures to demonstrate that these pricks are useless.

  • Stin

    I can hear Cheika’s justification now: “Nathan can’t do the tackling for them!”
    Anyone got John Muggleton’s number?

    • Blinky Bill of Bellingen NSW

      I saw Muggleton’s mug on one of the pregame clips, and wondered why they got rid of him as defense coach. Was his coaching passed it’s used by date or something? I seem to recall our D being pretty decent under him.

      • Parker

        Absolutely! Great to finally see some recognition of that on GAGR (apart from my harping on). I no longer feel as if I’m screaming into the wind. I believe Muggo got pissed off that he put his hand up for the coaching job but Dingo was picked instead.

    • Check a phone book in Japan

  • Queenslander

    I think our probs may be generational. Question to the forum. Although living in QLD for 35 years I went to school at St Pius X. Small rugby school in the 60s 70s but rugby through and through and a feeder for Gordon and subbies. (We have produced the current Wallaby cptn’ ) however an item in the Fitzfiles this week referred to the St Pius Aussie rules team. WTF??? We were cricket in summer and rugby in winter. My question is, is this common across all traditional rugby schools in Sydney and if so I sense our sport is in trouble

    • Kiwi rugby lover

      Yes and yes. While the ARU was diverting funds to try and get into West Sydney the AFL came and got into the private schools

      • Who?

        Let’s be honest, the schools don’t care about Rugby, they care about enrolments, and AFL has been taking upper middle class fans away from the Rugby codes in Sydney for a while.
        It’s time to focus on clubland, not private schools… Because they don’t care about us.

        • onlinesideline

          Exactly – clubland is where its at. Warringah v Manly semi final 10 000 happy people in a nice local sports ground with a small hill and the smell of beer and bbq. Thats always been the foundation of rugby and its where the future is more than ever.

  • Wallabrumby

    I said it about 3 weeks ago exactly as it unfolded. A Foley, Beale, Kerevi 10,12,13 was always going to be a turnstile D, while McMahon and Hooper should never start together . A lot of people may not like it but Test rugby is built upon defense not attack.

    I prefer winning

    Did the Wallabies remind anyone else of Waratahs this season or just me – leaked points until game was over and came back in the end to make the scoreline a bit more respectable.

    • Wendy Wills

      Well, 60% of the players were tahs in the second half!!

  • Low Chop

    It seems that wherever Stephen Moore goes these days mediocrity and losing soon follows. He hasn’t played a decent game in 3 years. Difference between Australia and ABs can be highlighted by the comparison between Coles and Moore. There is no comparison!!!
    What is it with Moore? He goes to the Reds and somehow Andrew Ready, (who is a fine young up and coming hooker) finds himself playing park footy when by now he should be a wallaby. Time to move on and say ‘thanks Squeak but playing for the wallabies is not a retirement plan’.

    • Brisneyland Local

      Ready didnt get dropped on form, he got dropped because there were some ‘attitudinal’ issues.

      • Low Chop

        Yea, well he’d certainly be entitled to have a few attitudinal issues when after a standout breakthrough season he gets bumped for a bloke way past his prime, that has brought nothing to the Reds, who he consistently beats in every measure on the training track and then somehow gets disciplined (ie dropped) for not showing up to an optional recovery session. There is a reason why the wallabies are shit. It’s not that we don’t have the talent, we just don’t know how to develop it and move the dead wood on.

        • Brisneyland Local

          NOt disagreeing with you at all. Would love to see him in the mix.

  • Al sylvester

    Rona can’t catch the high ball or tackle. Watch where the kicks and the runners aim for next week!

  • Smith

    This turnstile defence clearly does not work. Players to defend in their own channels, if they are not good enough to defend, then they are not good enough to play for the wallabies.

    Why was Hanigan allowed to play the full 80? Totally useless person, hits the rucks, but doe not make any difference whatsoever!

    Moore has to go as well.

  • Alister Smith

    My points from the game:
    1. miserable to watch the first half – possibly the worst performance I have ever seen from the team between 10 minutes in to 50 minutes in.
    2. possibly my own lack of knowledge but I couldn’t see what the defensive system was but the results of it, whatever it was, were similar to those achieved at the Waratahs – test match results are based on defence first, it should be our priority
    3. regardless of which defensive system you use individual still need to make tackles
    4. there are too many positional accomodations in defence with Foley, Beale, Kerevi – trying to hide or re-position half your backline must have an impact on your structure and perhaps also on your ability to counter attack when the opposition makes a mistake
    5. the ABs were almost error free in the first half and capitalised fully on all of our errors but there was no shortage of them
    6. i think we mixed up starting players and finishing players – one example would be Kuridrani and Kerevi another McMahon and Timani – first look to establish yourself and have players who can come on
    7. Rona had a poor start but he finished well, Folau is still out of sorts, somewhere we must develop someone to come in to take over from Foley – he is the best we have but we need someone better – I can’t see it in any of the super teams at the moment and carrying a couple of foreigners in the halves – while good for those teams perhaps – isnt necessarily good for the wallabies
    8. Phipps played quite well when he came on – not always the most accurate service but quicker than other options

  • Vern

    I’d get rid of Cheika, Grey, Hanigan, Moore, Rona, Genia and all the support staff straight away then I’d really start to give it thought.

    I’d bring in the Kiwi coach of Norths and I’d have a damn good look at standout players from the Shute Shield GF for starters and put them on plane to Dunedin. I’d give them nothing for a loss $10K for a draw and $30K for a win.

    I’d then take over the ARU. I’d piss everyone off and become the benevolent dictator thus keeping overheads to nil. I’d work from home!

    Any player with designs on Wallabies would have to play grade/colts and get sorted out there.

    Under no circumstances do players come from 7s or any Academies.

    When we string wins together (my expectation would be one victory against ABs and undefeated elsewhere) we go into regional Victoria and return serve to AFL by converting all the country schools to rugby.

    I’d bring Force back just so I can botch off Twiggy to completely destroy AFL but only after Richmond finally win Flag.

    That’s first year. I haven’t worked out second year yet ‘cos I’ve got to go to bed.

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