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Wallabies and Springboks battle out draw in Perth

Wallabies and Springboks battle out draw in Perth

The Wallabies have let slip a ten point margin and have walked away from their clash with South Africa in Perth with a 23-23 draw.

It was a missed opportunity for the Wallabies in a game that was relatively scrappy and did not reach any real heights. The Springboks easily won the breakdown battle with the Wallabies a clear second on the night with their cleaning out work lacking the physicality it required to shift the Boks forwards.

The Match

It was a nervous start for the Wallabies with a kick off from Bernard Foley failing to go the required distance quickly followed by two penalties to allow Elton Jantjies to open the scoring for the Springboks after just four minutes.

The Wallabies hit back with a penalty of their own to level the scores through Foley only minutes later after attempting to shift the ball down the left wing in the lead up.

Despite the greasy conditions both sides were prepared to shift the ball wide with some good handling from Israel Folau saw him find some space and link with Reece Hodge but he was unable to capitalise.

Hodge stepped up with a long range penalty shot from 45 metres but that was off target.

There were concerns early on with the Wallabies forwards ability to clear out Springboks defenders around the ruck as they slowed the ball down to create sloppy ball for Will Genia to use.

The concussion curse for Tatafu Polota-Nau continued as he had to leave the field before 20 minutes was up for a check to give Jordan Uelese his Wallabies debut but Polota-Nau would later return to the field.

The visitors were the first to score a five pointer after 25 minutes following a turnover near halfway where a ruck cleanout went wrong and the kicked ahead with Raymond Rhule and Michael Hooper in pursuit before they went shoulder to shoulder that resulted in Hooper falling over and Kriel swooping in to score. Referee Glen Jackson looked to award the Wallabies a penalty but held off and after consultation with the assistant ref, the try stood.

It only took minutes for the Wallabies to respond after they regathered the restart and a few phases later, Kurtley Beale danced his way through the defence for the first Wallabies try.

Neither side could really threaten the line again with the Wallabies able to take a three-point lead at the break with Foley’s second penalty of the half.

Beale was probably the Wallabies best in the first half as he created chances most times he had the ball. Reece Hodge and Tevita Kuridrani also had a solid half and carried well into contact.

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The Wallabies started the second half well by attacking the Boks down their right edge with some good play in the 15 metre channel.

They declined a penalty shot at goal and went to a five metre lineout and it was that local man Polota-Nau who Forced his way over off the back and with Foley’s conversion it made it a 10 point game at 20-10.

The Springboks nearly hit back to Jan Serfontein but Michael Hooper brought him down in a covering tackle after a big hit from Siya Kolisi on Adam Coleman forced the turnover. They did settle for another penalty from Jantjies to make 20-13 on 55 minutes.

With 20 minutes remaining, the Springboks put on a rolling maul clinic off lineout 20 metres and the power was too much for the splintering defence and Malcolm Marx came up with the five pointer and with Jantjies conversion, the game was level at 20-20.

With both sides emptying the benches, it looked like the Springboks had the stronger as they went close to scoring next as they capitalised on a Wallabies mistake at a scrum but in the shadows of the posts knocked on. But they again flexed their scrum muscle to earn a penalty that Jantjies easily converted for a 23-20 lead.

The scores were again level minutes later with Foley’s third penalty to set up a tense final ten minutes.

The Springboks looked the more likely to steal the win after they earned a penalty from a lineout and they worked their way ahead in small chunks to give Jantjies a drop goal attempt but it was charged down and then a knock on from Jesse Kriel ended their chance of winning. The Wallabies tried to go coast to coast to win but they also knocked on to end the game at 23-23.



The Game Changer

With the Wallabies up 20-10 after 55 minutes, they were unable to close out the game. The replacement forwards for the Wallabies saw the scrum suffer and the Boks pounced to come back to level the scores.


The G&GR MOTM

For the Wallabies, Kurtley Beale was their best with a try and his general play lifting the players in the backline. For the Boks, Jaco Kriel had a big game around the ruck and causing a nuisance. Pieter-Steph du Toit ran a close second.


The Details

Score & Scorers

WALLABIES 23
Tries: Beale, Polota-Nau
Conversions: Foley 2
Penalties: Foley 3
SOUTH AFRICA 23
Tries: Jesse Kriel, Marx
Conversions: Jantjies 2
Penalties: Jantjies 3

Cards

Nil

Crowd

17,528

  • Spaldo

    Unpopular opinion warning:
    I just don’t get how Uelese can have such big wraps. Scrum and lineout both shit. Didn’t see any of the big ball carries the commentators spoke about post game.
    Our hookers are a bit shit. Squeak, taf (good but not great, tackles with his head), this new guy who has only played 28 mins of super rugby.
    Put on bongo

    • You weren’t watching the same guy I watched.

    • jamie

      You’re joking. Uelese’s lineout throwing was bang on (especially considering he was a 6/8 a bit over a year ago) and his scrummaging is A) Easily improved, and 2) improved when he doesn’t have Tom ‘Hinge’ Robertson next to him.

      And no big ball carries? How about his first one?

      • Spaldo

        Good field position lineout > throw not straight > scrum boks > scrum penalty.
        Again, unpopular opinion, but why single this guy out for a great performance? Would rate 6/10 at best. Why the hype?

        • Yes he threw one crooked, so did TPN

        • Spaldo

          Gave me that sinking feeling at the time, The moment you know we are not going to win. Like when Simmons comes on and immediately gives away a stupid penalty, or when phibbs subs on and throws a wild pass. I’ve had it with taf many times over the years, even though I love him as a super rugby player. I have nothing against the guy, but he did not play well, so why the wraps?

        • McWarren

          What was Simmons silly penalty?

        • Human

          Scragging a bloke in the air at lineout, I think

        • Who?

          Happened all night, only penalized once. Jackson’s not consistent. You can’t get grumpy at someone in the 78th minute for doing what everyone’s done all night. Jump on it early and it won’t be a problem…

        • Human

          I agree…he was consistently mediocre though.

        • McWarren

          Ah that’s right, when Hanigan did it and Gordon Bray blamed Simmons.

        • I’m more worried about his scrummaging than the 1 throw not straight they both had. I know he’s only 20 and you can always argue about scrum penalties and hookers aren’t always to blame, but the scrum looked worse whenever he was on.

          One crooked throw, it was a lousy time to throw it, not that there’s ever a great time, but it’s not like it’s a regular pattern of the yips.

        • Who?

          Scrum was 7A’s getting Kitshoff boring in on him, just like Moody last week. Wouldn’t have mattered which hooker was alongside him, it’s something 7A’s needs to work on (which, I agree with your post above, should’ve happened over the last fortnight. Should’ve been Ledesma’s only job!).

        • Brumby Runner

          Not knowing a whole lot about scrums, I imagine for a TH to stay straight and upright in the face of the opposite LH boring in, he needs a lot of support and weight behind him. That is what all of our front rowers, THs included, are missing atm. Replace Hanigan at 6 with someone like Matt Philip, and McMahon at 8 with either Holloway or Timani and we just might start to hold our own or even dominate in the scrums again.

          There is a common factor in all our scrum woes and that is the ultra light weight back row.

        • Who?

          I’m not a prop, let’s start with that. But Kepu’s currently doing a better job of it than 7A’s, with basically the same locks behind him. And back three. So I’d suggest it’s as much about tactics and technique as anything. Kepu’s aware that a boring LHP leaves the opportunity to drive between the LHP and his hooker. He’s also more aware of how to keep the LHP from getting under him than 7A’s appears to be.
          I’m not saying that more weight at 6 and 7 wouldn’t be helpful. 8 not so much – in a modern scrum, you don’t really have an 8 man shove, you have two pods of 3 (prop, lock and flanker) coordinated by the hooker. If the locks split a little so the props can drive at different angles (not uncommon), the 8 can end up with nothing to push. So more weight at 6 and 7 would be useful (bear in mind, Pocock to Hooper at 7 is 15kg difference!). But I don’t believe that’s the major problem. After all, the pack weights last night were only 1kg different.

        • Mica

          @nutta you’ve been summoned to advise on above. :)

        • Who?

          Look up top, Nutta’s with me. :-)

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          I don’t think he was the main issue in the scrum. Didn’t get a lot of help from anyone else either

    • Huw Tindall

      Malcolm Marx is arguably the best hooker in world rugby right now so tough night at the office for Taf and debutante Uelese. Not prepared to totally pour shit on the guys for that. Bigger concern is 7As. Really need a reserve front row that can scrum.

      • Andy

        I thought he did pretty well. Was part of a beaten pack though but certainly not his fault

      • Who?

        Agree on 7A’s. Needs some more tactics loaded in by Ledesma. Not a technical issue, more a tactical issue, and something that only comes with experience. Just tough when you’re learning it at the top level (just ask Al Baxter!).
        Sharpie pointed out in commentary that half the issue with Taf’s throwing isn’t his accuracy, it’s his lack of loop. He doesn’t float it up and land it on a dot, he just hooks it down the middle. Which I believe is excellent commentary, and from a bloke who had to catch a few of Taf’s throws, too!
        Look at how teams generally defend the lineout. You want to pick where the ball’s going, and then get up just in front of the receiver. Not too far in front, because then the ball is likely to go over you. So no more than a body spacing in front – maybe 1.5m at most. But tonight, none of the throws that were picked off were taken at full stretch by the Bokke – they were all comfortably high enough. The ball wasn’t reaching its apex over the defender (who often was more than 1.5m in front of the Wallaby jumper), it was travelling fairly flat the length of the throw. A good lineout thrower isn’t just accurate in throwing straight, they also have to be able to lob for distance. A fast throw to the back will have time for someone in the middle to get up and steal it, whereas a slower, higher, lobbing but accurate throw landing on the target, will allow time for defenders but will be harder to reach due to the arc and the locational requirements for the defenders.
        Well done to Sharpie for pointing out the real source of the problem. Because it wasn’t the Wallaby callers or jumpers – we had Coleman, Arnold, Hanigan, Dempsey and Simmons out there. They can all catch a ball! The problem was that Eben, Pieter Steph and Lood were all able to jump up wherever they wanted and pick off the ball. Which created pressure on the throwers, which led to crooked throws…

    • onlinesideline

      you didnt see Uelese run it up agressively a number of times ? – I can count 3 or 4 easlily, think it was more like 8-10 – and all controlled agression with focus of whats hes doing and where he going.

    • Kiwi rugby lover

      Apart from one bad throw I thought he was ok for a first test. Had a couple of good runs and managed to hold onto the ball so it could be recycled. Needs work but no worse than anyone else

  • muffy

    I’m sorry, but our back row today was schooled! And in what universe is the Tahs back row combination the best we have?

    • John Miller

      There isn’t a universe in which the 2017 Tahs backrow deserves Gold jerseys.

      Hanigan is roadkill. Couldn’t lace Fardy’s boots or fake RHP’s Angry. Yet, like Dean Mumm before him, strolls into a test jersey. Looks like Jane, plays like Jane.

      Dempsey boasts about 40 minutes of 2017 Super Rugby match fitness. Instead of getting his post-injury lungs back at NRC level – the bloke is a Wallaby. Another bantamweight pseudo-7 amongst a host of Aussie midgets.

      And the major elephant in the room: Michael Hooper. Copped an absolute flanking schooling from Jaco Kriel yesterday – like the masterclass he was inflicted by George Smith in the Tahs / Reds fixture. Raggdolled in contact time and again. Limp shouldered ruck work leaving our halfback exposed. Totally dominated by the Bok contingent – as he was against the All Blacks (and if anyone cares to admit – is generally anonymous against big, tight running, breakdown efficient packs). Woefully out of form currently, but try suggesting that to anyone in Fox Sports commentary or Sydney mainstream sports media – particularly Paul Cully and Tom Decent @ SMH who must be on the NSWRU payroll, their titles should be “Chief Wallatah Cheerleaders” and Rugbyheaven’s post comment auto-response should say: “only the mildest of Waratah – ahem – Wallabies criticism will be published, whether it is within the parameters of our guidelines or not, but certainly nothing truely probing about Michael Hooper’s lack of breakdown acumen / ruck effectiveness / set piece inability / captaincy or Bernard Foley’s Cooper-like frailties (without the freak-like upside abilities) / right foot only pop gun / passing deficiencies.”

      • Kiwi rugby lover

        To be fair to Hooper, and I am not a fan, he was the best Wallaby loosie on the field and he played very well in times. The trouble was it was one against three. His speed and heart can’t be questioned and his tackle to save a certain try kept the Wallabies in the game. For a number of years now the Wallaby loosies have been merely unbalanced, I fear that now they are falling below that line to ineffective as a team. Unless there are changes you are going to see the same smashing by the Argies

        • romeo whisky

          Hooper had a much better 2nd half compared to the first. The main problem is that he plays waaaay too loose. He effectively plays as an additional back. There was zero ruck protection in the first half and largely because Hooper was never there. Agree about Hanigan – and playing both Hooper and Hanigan together… I mean WTF?

          Hooper is one of those players that gets an A for effort, but generally his effort is in the wrong places or just ineffective.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          I think the issue is he needs a Fardy and a hard 8 so he can roam freely. Never going to get that with Cheika unfortunately

        • onlinesideline

          And the weirdest thing of all is that Cheika was a hard flanker himself. You’d think …… oh forget ittt

        • Darrin Briggs

          Correct if we had a real line bending number 8 and Fardy back at 6 we could get away with Hooper. Unfortunately we don’t and our loose forward trio are going to be hopelessly unbalanced. Even with the return of Pocock it wont improve. I’m waiting until Hooper retires before there is a change!

        • Darrin Briggs

          Hanigan is just not up to it…period! Such a shame that we have a player like Fardy currently twiddeling this thumbs.

        • mikado

          Fardy’s playing for Leinster now, so hardly twiddling his thumbs!

        • John Miller

          The writing was on the wall for Fardy. He was the automatic choice @ 6 and for many seasons, but with the emergence of Timani last season, the re-entry of Higginbotham (Cheika was unable to omit him because his Super form was too compelling to all and sundry) and McMahon’s ability, Cheika had to destabilise the 6 and 8 positions to take the focus off the openside flanker selection. Pocock’s sabbatical was a godsend this year for MC. Cheika further re-enforced Hooper’s mandate by giving him the “C”. Blatant nepotism at it’s best!

        • Who?

          He might’ve been the automatic choice for many seasons, but that didn’t mean Cheika used the automatic choice. Not when he could pick Dave Dennis or Dean Mumm!

        • mikado

          I agree the writing was on the wall for Fardy, and his age is against him. It’s just downright bizarre that the WBs are struggling in the back-row when they’ve got Pocock, Gill, Fardy and Higginbotham all unavailable or unpicked. Not all the fault of Cheika and the ARU, but a shambles all the same.

        • OlderIGet

          Hannigan is going to be damned good. Big unit with a big heart. He is still a kid who is playing in a grade above his capacity yet. Good on Cheika for developing him, but the time for such an indulgence has now past for this season. Hannigan will be a grade better next year.

        • John Miller

          No disagreeing that Hanigan has potential. Certainly has the height and frame that he can attached some beef to. He is willing, but technique is lacking, as is pure mongrel. He’d going to need some Angry to become an international test 6. He lacks blunt force, impact in contact and effectiveness in execution and therefore, outcomes. Cheika is doing Hanigan a massive disservice by selecting him too early, in front of more worthy Super rugby (and test) performers. Hanigan is going to find the “new Dean Mum” tag hard to shake, even if in later years, he becomes a more worthy contender for the jersey. Yet another Cheika selection trainwreck.

      • 30 mm tags

        So true especially about Ross Haylett Petty, or Richard Hardwick both from the Force. The Force didn’t demolish the Waratahs a few weeks ago for no reason. Hannigan is an embarrassment. He never makes anything happen. He just turns up late to counter rucks or mauls when the result is determined. Compared to the Saffa back row he is an apprentice . Sean McMahon could not repeat his efforts ve the ABs , possibly because he got smashed up v the AB and probably should have been rested. Fardy and Higginbotham could come out of a retirement home along with George Smith and still,do better than Dempsey and Hannigan. Hooper was very good in aspects of the game, so I would give him credit for that.

  • jamie

    1st Minute Foley cocks up
    80th Minute Phipps cocks up

    It’s almost poetic lol

    • Brisneyland Local

      Preaching to the converted brother!!

    • Huw Tindall

      Foley 5/5. Jantjes 5/6. That’s the game right there. Will forgive Foley a not going the 10 on the first kick. His restart to Folau on the jump was spot on too. Phipps hospital to Kerevi was a dud though. At the end I thought Kerevi was actually in the air when he went for it…tackle in the air maybe from the Bokke…penalty.

      • Brisneyland Local

        His restart that Folau gathered was good. But too many short options on kick off that were turned over and put us instantly on the back foot. It was the 56 min mark before Foley went long. Sorry that is dumb kicking. In anyones language.

        • Andy

          His overall game was fine for Christ sake. Was one of his better games. He was far from our worst performer.

        • Brumby Runner

          In my view, his overall game was poor, equalled by Folau and only Genia was worse in the backline.

        • Andy

          Fair enough. I agree Genia was average. But I though Folau was decent. Not too fussed on his performance. I think loosing the ball in every 3rd or 4th breakdown, every 2nd scrum, every 3rd lineout killed any momentum for our backs to deliver.

        • Who?

          I felt like Genia created more line breaks than Foley, and he did that with blokes in front of him not bothering to secure the breakdown…

        • 30 mm tags

          Genia had a forward pack in front of him that was on skates. Don’t blame Genia for appalling forwards

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Not sure what was fine about it. His kicking is, as usual, well below par and last night his passing seemed to have gone backwards. He didn’t actually create anything last night and that’s his prime role. You know the “play maker” thing Cheika keeps banging on about

        • Andy

          Thanks for the lesson mate

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          No lesson intended and more than happy for you to disagree mate. It is only my opinion after all

        • jamie

          Dunno about Fine. Probably was one of his better games, simply because he didn’t directly cost us a try. A 10 should not just have to ‘perform’. If the backline fails to fire, he has to shoulder at least some of the blame, as does Will Genia (Why the fuck did we sign him for next year at the rebs…)

        • Andy

          My point was he was hardly near the worst player for us and I thought overall, our backs were pretty good. We lost that game up front

        • jamie

          We lost that game at the breakdown. I’m blaming Hooper and Hanigan the most. 6s and 7s should be able to clear out methodically and lethally. They missed so many. Locks should be there as well, but shouldn’t be expected to be out wide.

          Disagree about the backs. In defence they were pretty good (broken play excluded) but we seemed to have 2 plays: pod pass out the back, hands or a cut out to the wing, then the winger steps back inside, or a longer pass to backs well behind the gain line.

          If we executed these plays brilliantly, and had ABs level support and Saffer level tight forwards cleaning out for 80min, then I’d have no issue. Instead, we got passes thrown behind, poor support, and no presence at the breakdown. Forwards and backs equally to blame for that.

        • Andy

          Agree they weren’t perfect. But our continuity was so bad and our pack was completely outplayed that I think they did ok considering. They weren’t vintage but again I thought they were ok. Plenty of breaks made during the game but we just couldn’t keep the ball long enough to utilise them more.

          I thought Hooper had a decent game. Much better than his last 2. Wouldn’t mind seeing stats on his effectiveness at the breakdown as I agree, he does tend to look lightweight in that department.

          I suppose the upside (if we can find one) is the boks are a good team and we should have won.

      • onlinesideline

        hey thats pretty interesting – nver thought of that – does this rule ony apply to kick recievers ?

        • MisterDel

          It only applies to kick receivers otherwise everyone would be jumping around the field like kangaroos unable to be tackled. They would still be penalised if they ended up in a dangerous position though, I think.

        • Who?

          It doesn’t apply only to kick receivers, just ask the All Blacks about that second Lions Test…

        • MisterDel

          When we talk about rules I usually omit the asterisk with *Does not apply to All Blacks* because that is assumed.

        • Who?

          Think about what I’m saying – the ABs got penalized – a match winning penalty for the Lions – because they tackled a player jumping for a pass before he landed. I’d agree that the ABs sometimes get away with a different version of the laws (less lately than previously – Richie was the master), but they copped a raw deal there. Technically correct, but in terms of how you actually play Rugby… Harsh.

        • mikado

          No, as it’s illegal to jump into a tackle.

      • Miss Rugby

        Actually, it’s not the game right there. Foley kicked 100% but Hodge missed a kick, so both teams were 5/6 in total. His kicks for goal were great, but would really prefer Beale to take more of the other kicking, some of his kicks for touch were outstanding. Foley didn’t do much wrong, he actually looked quite good compared to Jantjies (who I thought kicked quite poorly in general play).

    • Sevenwithasixonmyback

      The most anticipated moment on any Saturday is a WB Test kick-off. The tension. That first phase of play shows us what we might expect for the rest of the night.
      I love ‘Nard. Watched him come up in Shute. Enjoy seeing him running around with Fanga. Both receive lots of criticism on these pages. Some deserved and some just habitual.
      REALLY BUT… To cock-up the kick-off with a less than an u/15Cs effort such as that shocker last night must really have us looking to put KB in 10 and punt BF back to SR and NRC for a little while. That first conversion attempt looked seriously like it was heading for the timber again. That would have sealed it for me.
      No more chances Bernie.

  • Spaldo

    Scrum held up and lineout throws straight as a dye?
    As I stated, unpopular opinion, and yep, I’m over-stating it, there were worse players on the park.
    It stood out to me that he was harped on about so much by the channel 10 commentators. I just couldn’t let the bullsjit go on without comment

  • Who?

    Think the draw was a fair result…

    7A’s comes on, has Coleman behind him, and gets schooled by Kitshof the same way Moody schooled him last week – by boring in from the side.
    Ledesma needs to teach him how to sense it and deal with it, because clearly Kepu’s got a better handle on how to do that.
    On the scrums, three penalties, one against Australia for walking around (fair enough), the other two were exactly the same infringement (LHP angling in destabilizing the THP), but the Bokes were awarded a penalty for us angling in (their THP went to deck), and we conceded a penalty for our THP retreating and the scrum falling apart. The only real difference between the two infringements was where the ref was standing – on the Wallaby LHP side both times.
    Jackson had a terrible night with the scrums, though. First two scrums were FK’s against SA for an early push – but the GMG’s, to my understanding, have (for several years now) required that a second FK for an early shove should be a penalty. The fact that he did not require square and steady in the match (neither did he require engagement on ‘set’ – his call of ‘bind’ saw the shoulders touch, a big no-no from a reffing perspective, so the ‘set’ saw the shove come on, when the shove shouldn’t occur until the scrum starts – which is when the ball enters) meant he was dooming himself to
    scrappy scrums that would inevitably detriorate into collapses and penalties.

    But I don’t think for a minute the Wallabies were robbed. Jackson missed plenty both ways (how on earth did he miss that MASSIVE forward pass from Foley near the end?!). And the draw was a fair result (good thing Jantjes was so impossibly slow getting away his droppie!). SA will be disappointed not to have stolen the win, but if Dunedin was allowing a win to slip away, then Coetzee’s got every right to say the same again, given the Wallabies were up by 10, at home. Cheika could try and return it, given the Boks got up by 3 and then failed to take the shot for the win, but it’s not as convincing an argument.
    Loved the chanting of ‘Force, Force’ by the crowd. Really pleased that one of the tries was scored by a current Force player. Bit disappointing we couldn’t do much on the scoreboard for all the running we did – so many metres run, but the two tries we scored were both within 2 phases of a set piece (Beale’s try one phase after a kick off, and Taf’s try off a lineout/maul). But that’s what happens when you can’t secure the breakdown. You don’t get good ball.

  • Brisneyland Local

    Well I am sorry fellow GAGR’s! I am sitting in the middle of Country NSW on a work trip, and managed to walk out of my own work function to find a TV and watch the game. Well I am absolutely sorry that I wasted my time watching. From the kick I was in a shitty mood, and it didnt improve for most of the game.
    BL’s points in no particular order:
    – Fucking Foley! What can I say. Great Kicking for goal. But his general place was average and his whilst marginally better is still lacking. When Beale kicked it looked like a boomer. But that is the distance we should be expecting every kick.
    – I will start on a high, KB despite what I think of his off field behaviour, had a really good game. He has his on field mojo back!
    – Our scrum held intially but then got schooled. The Argie scrum is going to do very nasty things to us.
    – Our back row is a joke I am afraid. We just got an absolute beasting at the break down. Pocock please come back!!!!!
    – Our line out had some real issues.
    – Our defence is still lacking. We are falling off tackles everywhere. Just not good enough. Listening to Gordon Bray gloat about our desperate defence. It was only desperate because we were missing so many fucking tackles! Arghhhhh!
    – Our game plan is still lacking. I must say GAGR’s I have lost total faith in Cheika. It is time for him to go. We need some one who will resurrect us before the world cup.
    – Whilst the Saffa’s appeared to be off side a hell of a lot, we appeared to get lucky with a lot of forward passes not being called. But overall I think Glen Jackson had a good game.
    – Fucking Phipps!

    Guys and Gals. I hate to say it but there was not a lot of positive. One step forward two steps back.

    • Huw Tindall

      Some excellent points but I’m not as gloomy as you BL. Foley 5/5. Jantjes 5/6. The game right there.

      Worried about our reserve front row. Particularly 7As. What happened to the rugby world cup scrum that really did dominate? Thought we were coming good finally!

      Ruck definitely a concern, especially the attacking ruck. Hooper despite the criticism is actually quite good. Got a steal tonight and was a pest slowing the Saffas ball often. Holes behind the defensive ruck though exploited with the pick and drive was terrible. Attacking ruck our runners just seem to get isolated a bit. They need another forward right up their butts to secure the ball at the tackle. Too often a Saffa was first there.

      • Brumby Runner

        Looking for the reason for our scrum woes, look towards the back of the scrum, not the front row.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Yep

    • I think the Wallabies got lucky the Jantjies in particular, but SA in general kicked from hand rather aimlessly and poorly. They kicked long and straight to Beale or Folau a lot, they missed I think it was three penalties to touch by trying to take too much territory.

      I agree with all your comments pretty much – although the breakdown woes aren’t just down to the back row. They start there certainly, although a small, and in Hannigan’s case inexperienced, back row is always going to struggle against the Bokke, but no one hit either defensive or attacking rucks well and in attack that’s often a centre’s job, or in a forward pod, a tight five player’s too. Not just the back row.

      I don’t know what they work on in training. It felt like after Bledisloe 2 everyone identified tackling, breakdowns and restarts, with a side-order of scrummaging as the issues. Foley’s kicking from the tee… well we all know he can so you chalk it up as a one-off, something weird about Dunedin. So in the last two weeks, I would expect them to work on those things and to see improvements in those areas. It feels like they’ve possibly improved in scrummaging (the AB just destroyed the scrums routinely, the Bokke had to work for it, although against the subs they pretty much worked a penalty at will). The breakdowns looked worse, the tackling looked about the same (still just not good enough, nowhere near good enough) and the restarts were somewhat better, mostly because the Bokke aren’t as good there as the AB though. So wtf did they work on?

      • Brisneyland Local

        Eloise,I asked the exact same question, to me it is not an improve ment. This is just same old same old.

      • Kiwi rugby lover

        Well it certainly wasn’t how to pass a ball so the receiver is running onto it. Maybe that’s so basic they don’t think they need to practice it. Whatever the reason, last night they were terrible

    • Who?

      Jackson being poor on both sides doesn’t mean he had a good game, just that he didn’t determine the result… He didn’t run that game well at all. Not a patch on Nigel or Wayne in the last two games, who managed to get clean scrums and consistent calls.

      • Brisneyland Local

        Who, you are probably right. These days for me, a bad game is where the referree has a material impact on the outcome of the game. Whilst he made some bad decsions or in some cases no decisons, the game was there for who wanted to take it. Blowing a ten point lead like that is not good. But I cant blame Jackson for it. The Wallabies have to own that one.

        • Tommy Brady

          I sense these days you have to direct comments to the entire officiating crew. We consistently have situations where the referee makes a decision but is overruled by an AR or TMO. Who these days has the final say is often not clear. What is clear is the separation that has emerged between Owens, Barnes, Peyper and Gardiner versus all the others.

          Of greater concern has to be the inability of the Wallabies for the 2nd test in a row to close out a victory. I guess Michael Cheika doesn’t like Honourable Draws either. Bottom line is his 2017 Wallabies have won 2 games in 6 with only 2 games left at home. Maybe Cheika and his Wallabies can develop the mental and physical attributes to win tough games on the road. Here’s hoping.

        • mikado

          Tommy, why do you group those four referees in particular ?

      • Graeme

        I thought the AR’s as well as Jackson had bad games. TPN got away with pretty obviously throwing 50-100cm’s to our side without being penalized. Eventually SA cottoned on and started doing the same until Jackson réalised and started penalizing. So SA stopped, where-as we kept trying. On the other side, probably because of SA’s complete dominance at the ruck, SA got away with defenders off-their-feet tapping the ball back several times for turnovers instead of penalties. On the other, other side, we got away with some terrible forward passes.

        Overall, both teams got away with a lot. That it went both ways was fair, but not a sign of good refereeing.

        • mikado

          TPN’s first throw was not straight but SA didn’t contest in the air – possibly the reason why TPN wasn’t penalised.

    • ozrugbynut

      I think in field kicking has improved with Beale and in general we appear to be far more willing to play territory which is 1000% better than this ‘running rugby/australian style’ palava we have seen for a couple of years. The defensive line, if not the tackling’ was good last night.

      I’m convinced that this lightweight backrow is not the right answer. We cede too much in the scrum and despite the supposed increase in mobility our ball security was poor. In contact, the guys are just not big enough, but the whole 8 were beaten at the breakdown and Coleman was kept quiet. Hannibal, Dempsey etc are very meh. Timani mustn’t have trained well to not make the 23, he is needed.

      Impressed by Jordan uelese in general play, seemed at home. Rodda a few weeks also looked to have a hard edge. Also, our loose head side of the Scrum has been an issue for a long time.

      Hodge looked good with ball in hand, running good lines and one out off Genia. i think he offers more than speight at this level but DHP is injured so I guess this is the wing combo for a while.

      • onlinesideline

        yeah Reece Hodge is a must, like you say has great lines, totally good instinct he runs straight. (honey badgeresque)

        Would be bloody nice to see Izzy do that too. He is not fast off the mark or even over 50m so what is he hopng to achieve when he slides sideways when he runs. People have worked him out.
        With his size he is far more affective just going gangbusters up the middle, hes bloody strong, he could suck in a couple of defenders that way and THEN attempt an offload, but like alot of ppl here say, our backline passing is laboured and slow, no-one sees to want to just run straight and hard. That is what was so good about the Honey Badger, he just clenched his neck and went kamakasi – and it works. I suppose Kerevi is the only bloke who runs straight. Daniel Herbet and Nathan Grey were straight runners, every team needs them and we are just doing the sideways shuffle.

    • Kiwi rugby lover

      Mate like you I am having to eat some humble pie on Beale. I still think he’s more effective in broken play, probably because the ball from Genia and Foley was so slow and laboured last night. His try was an absolute gem – again broken play. Our prediction on the loosies was bang on unfortunately. Far to light and ineffective at this level. Not sure what Cheika’s plan is there but it’s failing big time.
      Interesting watching the AB’s vs Argies and the difference in both sides on the length of kicks and the work of the loosies.
      I really feel for the tight 5. They have to do their job plus make up for the crap 6 & 8 and then get smashed because they’re knackered at scrum time.
      Like you I’ve lost faith in Cheika’s ability to deliver. A great motivator and lots of passion but not a lot of rugby smarts I feel.

      • Human

        Cheika is increasingly appearing to be more a cheerleader than a coach. Every coach will tend to lean towards those who he knows well but Cheika seems to be beyond the pale.

      • Brisneyland Local

        Yep. I wish I wasnt working today (Board meetings, silly me I called them) but I really want to analytically re-watch that game. But I was not a happy camper watching that. The only joy I got from watching tell last night was when one of my colleagues convinced me to flick over at the end to the Eagles vs Port Adelaide AFL game. It was very exciting and I actuallyreally enjoyed it. Didnt enjoy the rugby though.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Mate, poor timing. Worse when you can’t blame anyone else

        • Brisneyland Local

          Yep I know, but it was the easiest to execute time wise. As I could get all Board members in one location at one time.

        • jamie

          Mate unless it’s the ARU board and the village stocks, then there’s no excuse for you to pull any board together ;-)

        • Brisneyland Local

          True, but Unfortunately I own the Company. Some times I wish I didnt!

    • 30 mm tags

      Cheika has to stop thinking players from states other than NSW are not to be considered. His incompetence is in his selections and perseverance with players who have been given a chance then have proved they are not up to it.

    • Old_Laurentian

      Just a general big thank you. I am another Rugby tragic ( An Aussie but my original hometown was Rugby UK) and am currently travelling through central Morocco. I missed the game of course. I just want to let you how important your views are (plus kiwirugbylover and others) to me about the game, as opposed to the stuff the media. Intellect and passion. Thank you.

      • Brisneyland Local

        Your welcome. Thanks for the thanks! It is appreciated! I am glad some one reads my rants!

  • Huw Tindall

    Tip of the hat to Steve L for the article title. Perthfontein.

    • Thanks.

      And that wasn’t even my best line in the review..

      ‘Polota-Nau Forced his way over..’

  • Andy

    Really amateur performance. We’re in a great position against a really good team and pissed it up the wall again. Don’t think any of the backs were terrible. They all performed reasonably well but the pack was completely outplayed. Our backrow is absolute garbage and our work at the breakdown is embarrassing. I don’t want to shit on the guy because he is young but Hanigan is so far from being capable at this level it’s unfair, on him.

    And seriously. When is Phipps going to learn how to pass…. it’s just unacceptable at this level.

    • onlinesideline

      Phipps just doesnt straighten / extend his underneath arm when he passes, he is all wrist and the trajectory of his arms is on a curve upwards because he starts the pass too low, like down near his ankles. He needs to use his hips more. If Kerevi got a normal pass in the 82 nd minute he could have jinked back in and set it back up again and who knows. Its tear ya hair out stuff.
      Of all the times to throw a bad pass. He screams at the forwards and then kills the last movement. Just speechless – how freaking diffficult is it to pass the bloody ball, thats what he practises every day of his life. Its his main job FFS – achhhhh. (he’s gutsy and gives alot and tackles fearlessly but he is no Nick Farr Jones )

      • Brumby Runner

        I think it’s time for all concerned to accept that Phipps will deliver poor ball on many occasions during a match. It happens in every game, so unlikely to change in future. However, last night, Genia’s passing game was even worse imo. How many times did he miss the next receiver and how many balls simply went along the ground behind the backline. He was at his worst last night.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          What I do like about Phipps is his speed of pass. He certainly gets the ball out there, just not always sure where out there is going to be

        • Andy

          I haven’t met a man who thinks he has a good pass. His qualities are his defence and his speed to the breakdown. But that can only get you so far. Just no where near good enough for this level

        • Who?

          With Genia’s misses last night, I was wondering what the receivers were doing, because literally none of them were looking for the ball to come to them. What kind of Rugby player are you if you aren’t expecting – demanding, even – that the ball come to you?! Then the complete lack of urgency to cover the loose ball…

    • Human

      When are all of them going to learn how to pass? How many times, on counter-attack, did the momentum stall because a player had to stop, jump, reach back to pull in a pass…it was absolute rubbish.

      • Kiwi rugby lover

        Mate I agree, the slow laboured passing in the backline is a disgrace at this level. I don’t know what the hell they are doing on the training field but their ability to have a ball passed in front of a player has gone backwards this year

      • jamie

        Passing to where the hips are is as good as passing 5m behind them.

  • rhi no

    Largely uninspiring match.Man i was so pissed of when folau didnt dive on that loose ball,instead had an air swing with his boot….That sort of thing is rubbish…How we can have arguably the best out of hand kicker (reece hodge) in australia on the field,and not use him at least kicking for touch on penaltys troubles me…This whole passing the ball to the edges/wings seems to be our only real form of attack/plan. And on hannigan..sheesh..did anyone see fafita ,the rookie 6 for the all blacks??…They obviously had a chat about our breakdown being a bit of a weakness..Well exploited..A bit negative but it was all a bit lack lustre.

    • I agree about Fafita. Los Pumas are a better pack than the Wobs, whatever their other frailties, and I’d be inclined to pick him over Squire for next week if I was in Hansen’s shoes. I’m not sure he put a foot wrong and he had a lot of powerful runs and a wonderful try too. Mind you Squire looks pretty special as well. And then they’ve got Kaino to come back… talk about an embarrassment of riches.

      • rhi no

        The all blacks could fill a pretty good B team.
        Argentina looked good didnt they.They’ve some great forwards.There hooker had a blinder.I didn’t see any of there matches against rsa but from what I saw tonight from them we may be in for a rude shock..

        • The All Blacks could always fill a pretty good B team though. But usually you’re left wondering about one or two positions. 6 is no longer one of them.

          Argentina certainly looked pretty good, and they’re very strong in all the places we struggle, plus they stopped the AB attack pretty well, which wasn’t just coughing the pill up like two weeks ago. Could be a tough game next week, I agree.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Creedy was awesome last night. He leads from the front and really inspires his team. When he went off the whole game changed

    • onlinesideline

      yeah no run a rounds, scissors, nothing, its just turn into a mungo backline every time, 2 decoys, cut out pass and shift to winger who jinks back in to avoid sideline which creates a recycle under pressure every time. The need to watch videos of Slack / Griggs / Brendon Moon for a week non stop.

      • Old_Laurentian

        Love it!

  • rhi no

    We’ve gotta do something with the back row. I know there’s a theme of knocking hannigan,and I’m reluctant to just jump on any crucifixion bandwagon but really his ineffectiveness is becoming quite obvious.Some of his cleanouts tonight we’re pretty weak.He’s like that guy that’s fit and always around but if you study him,watch him, you come to the conclusion of “hey,that guy really does fark all”

    • Who?

      Think the concensus on Hanigan is pretty much, “Maybe in a couple of years.” As in, give him a bit of time to grow up, and he might be ok. So it’s pretty rough of Cheik to keep throwing him out there every week when he’s still obviously green.
      I don’t care how intense or impressive you are at training each week, I don’t care if the dog’s got a lot of fight in him (and Hanigan clearly has, he’s one to be the third man in far too often, such as when Etzebeth bumped Hooper after the whistle had gone), you don’t send a boy into hand to hand combat against men. Boys against men only works when you’re sniping at distance (i.e. David vs Goliath, French kid against Richard I).

      • Brumby Runner

        And Etsebeth just didn’t even acknowledge Hanigan’s presence in that skirmish.

        • John Miller

          EE chortled at Hooper’s attempted handbag shove (without swaying so much as an inch) and, almost absent-mindedly, ragdolled Hanigan with one free hand, without even really trying. It was the epitome of all that’s wrong with Cheika’s backrow selection since the EARU gifted him a Gold clipboard.

        • Who?

          I just wish Eben played for the Wallabies… Such an awesome player. And where we’ve got guys like Horwill and Coleman who go into a stoush looking for trouble, he’s like Bakkies – goes in looking to niggle with a massive grin on his face. Just LOVES the trouble, and absolutely no fear of ever being unable to answer whatever’s thrown at him.

      • jamie

        You said “you don’t send a boy into hand to hand combat against men”

        I don’t think Etzebeth is a man. He’s beyond human, that thing.

        • Who?

          He’s an Inhuman.

        • jamie

          Face like Bruno, body like Hercules.

    • Human

      Looks like Tarzan, plays like Jane.

    • Kiwi rugby lover

      Not just him though. Yeah he is ineffective but none of them dominate in either attack or defence close in to the ruck. Hooper is pretty good out wide and when he wants to can steal, but all three of them go backwards close in.

      • onlinesideline

        I was watching Sio and AAA pretty closely in the loose just to see their body height / strength when taking it up. Not good.They got pushed back time and time again, sometimes man handled like our back row. If these are our hard men to take us into the world cup, we’ve got real problems. Im impressed with Sekope though both in scrum and loose.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Yeah I noticed that. Far to upright in the contact. Almost like they’re looking for an offload before they’ve made the ground

      • joy

        13 carries for 66 metres seems forwards to me. Topped the Aussie tackle count with 10/0. And he did get a turnover (Kiwi stats). In his carries Hooper consistently spun out of tackles, many effectively. I’ll count them tonight.

  • Adrian

    I didn’t think the Wallabies were that bad at all!

    SA are a good side with a very good pack.

    Historically, drawing with or beating the Springboks would be considered a plus.

    My view is that Genia was a bit off the pace, and didn’t show much uegency, …..but he was behind a well beaten pack…. across every facet.

    The other points I’d make are:
    *we lacked someone with great pace,
    *we need someone like Timani in the back row
    *we need to try alternative bench props
    *we need Latu in the 23
    *we need more lineout and scrum practice
    BUT
    *Hodge was great
    *Kicking out of trouble better
    *Defence pretty good.

    The desperation at the end was brilliant. First in defence, then trying to score…no problems from me if eventually a desperate pass didn’t stick. We had a crack

    • joy

      “beaten pack, in every facet”. Give me a break Adrian. Our pack controlled the gain line. 82% to 42% in the first half and 68 to 40 something overall. Some sort of record for Wallaby Bok matches? This means we were dominant in contact in attack and defence. I’d say this is exactly the reason that this pretty good Bok side couldn’t put us away.

      • Who?

        The pack isn’t solely responsible for the gain line, they’re not the only ones who run the ball. They are, however, considered more responsible for the breakdown, and our breakdown was monstered. Our scrum was also pressured, and our lineout cracked. I’d say a ‘well beaten pack’ is a fair description.

        • joy

          23 all is a pretty good result with a well beaten pack. If 10 wise men say the sun rises in the west it just aint so.

        • Who?

          Lots of possession and metres doesn’t make a pack dominant. And 23 all was pretty lucky, let’s be honest. One good piece of set piece work (a well constructed and run maul from an otherwise creaking lineout), and a lucky run of individual brilliance. Our two tries were scored across two phases of possession. So they’re not a measure of our pack’s performance. Gain line, again, isn’t about the pack. Breakdown speed is much more relevant… Then look at the scrum penalties (3-0 to SA), lineouts lost… We lost both the set pieces, and the breakdown. Having 60% of the possession but with 80+% slow ball doesn’t mean you’ve won the breakdown, it just means you had the ball.

  • Patrick

    Imagine a backrow of McMahon, Timani and Fardy for the first 60, then Hooper coming on for the tiredest (probably Timani).

    Alternatively, someone tell Pocock that we’ll give him 1.5m a year – think of all the charities he can support with that! – and the we play Pocock, McMahon and Fardy with Timani on the bench

    • Huw Tindall

      Timani had a nothing game in NRC last week. Not sure what the issue is. Feel Naisarani is 8 in waiting. Behind Mafi thr best 8 in Aussie super teams and that’s saying something when Mafi was arguably best in whole comp.

      • onlinesideline

        yeah Timani is dead set useless. For a guy with legs his size he should be dragging 4 oppossing forwards half way down the pitch but its like he just hits the deck and sets it up on auto. How he is better than Higgers is absolutely beyond me and I dead set mean it – its just incomprensible how this guy was ever picked over Fardy and Higgers.
        So no I dont agree with you Patrick

        • Patrick

          OK I will take Higgers over Timani, I wasn’t really thinking about him and I have no good reason for that. I actually never understood why Higgers was dropped, no offence to people who actually believe in the Tahs but if Higgers had gone to a NSW private school he’d have 50 tests by now and be captain.

        • muffy

          I think most Tahs realise there’s probab some truth in that…

        • John Miller

          Higgers was scapegoated (like Fardy was), Timani has never been given a proper run (unlike Mum and Hanigan) and Ross Haylett-Petty hasn’t even been given a breath of oxygen because if these types players cement their positions at 6 and 8, then fantastic players like McMahon and Pocock would then be competing for their natural position: openside flanker. As we all know, Michael Cheika will never allow that. So the ridiculous backrow compromise lives on. And the Wallabies continue to get bullied by big, powerful, collaborative, tight running, ball focused opposition.

        • onlinesideline

          I hear what your are saying but look at how Cheika loves Sean Macmahon – he is about as country as you get isnt he – there seems to be no rhyme or reason with Cheika. The only thing I can think of is whats been said before and that Cheika doesnt like strong independent blokes who have a brain and an opinion. Both Higgers and Fardy fit that bill when you think about it.

        • jamie

          Cheika, for all his bullishness, does not like differing opinions.

          Cooper, Fardy, Higgers… We all know they have strong personalities. Hell, Cooper was ballsy enough to call Deans’ camp what it was. Cheika worried Cooper might expose him too?

        • onlinesideline

          may explain Cheika’s coaching picks too

        • jamie

          I always thought difference of opinion was an asset. Others can see things Cheik can’t, rather than a whole lotta yes men that march toward insanity. Cooper’s rugby brain is second to none, and Higgers/Fardy have so much rugby experience around them (in a position we are struggling with currently), why wouldn’t he even have them in the squad?

        • onlinesideline

          Id have all 3 in the run on side. We had zero play making last night. It was cringeworthy. This is our national rugby side. We are Australian FFS and this is what we front up with. Its embarassing. Can you imagine Foley playing for the Kangaroos, he would be laughed off the pitch.

        • jamie

          I wonder where Foley would be in the AB’s Flyhalf pecking order…
          Even at his best he’s probably 5th, behind BB, Cruden, Sopoaga and Richie Mo’unga. That is if he was still even a half in NZ Rugby. He’d be a fullback (still) in my eyes.

          Cooper though, at his world beating best in 2011, behind a pack going backwards… Who knows how good he could be

        • AlltheWallabies

          Spot on with Timani.. he seems to search for the turf after contact, rather than bust tackles. So much opportunity given his size, but nothing.

    • Bernie Chan

      Sign the NQ Cowboys league “lock” Jason Taumalolo…who cares if he needs to learn the ruck/maul laws, anyone who can break the line and carry tacklers like he can and also go a full 80mins would be worth the investment…:)

  • Adrian

    Some problems aren’t easily fixed, but we can work towards it. Not everything is a selection issue, and some aren’t coaching issues. Some things need lots of practice, and some need experience. Sometimes, there just aren’t better players available.

    For now, I’d try Tongan Thor as bench Tight Head Prop, and put Alaalatoa back to Loose Head where he started. I believe the Thor is eligible.

    I’d pick Latu, and have him starting, so that TPN could hold the scrum together for the last 20.

    I’d put Timani at 8, and bring in Hardwick, assuming McMahon is injured. If Naisarani was eligible, I’d pick him.

    The bit where I’ll loose anyone who agreed with the above, is that I’d start Phipps, to give the side energy from the get go. He did about 30 passes last night, and only 2 were duds. The point is that he was there to throw them. Genia, who is a better player, should be rested every second game, to keep him sharp and/or interested!

    • Huw Tindall

      Thought Genia was OK given the shite ruck ball he was getting. I love Phipps energy and it seems to lift the team, similar to KB lifting the attack, but in test matches mistakes can be punished severly. Rather a secure mistakes free player most of the time. Phipps would be great if we were kn the front foot or having to chase a game.

      When Isi Naisarani is eligible i’d drop him straight in. Would Cheika do a Hooper, Pockock, Naisarani back row? Link man, jackle, and ball runner. Isi is tall enough to jump too. McMahon on the pine for impact. Sorry Ned. 2023 world Cup is your time.

      Speaking of Hooper. The tackle on the saffa 12 to prevent the try was outstanding. So much pace and mowed him down. That was a match changing tackle.

      • John Miller

        And if rugby team’s selected openside flankers based solely on their ability to effect cover tackles, Hooper would be laughing. Unfortunately, the Boks backrow completely outplayed the Wallabies contingent and Hooper was time and again dominated in contact, ineffective in the ground game, absent or mild at the offensive rucks and useless in the set piece. His great plays make highlight reels – and he could affect all of them wearing a double-digit number on his jersey. This tackle aside, the bloke was again absent. Poor game, poor season.

      • jamie

        Genia’s shite ruck ball is probably due to our ineffective back row at the breakdown, which Hooper, as captain and as openside, has to shoulder a lot of the blame for that.

    • Julie T

      Can’t bring in Dickie Hardwick. Having an op of some description on his shoulder. Not playing for Spirit this week as a result

      • jamie

        Heartbreaking. Should’ve been our 7 from day dot this season since Pocock is out.

    • onlinesideline

      I have a funny feeling Uelese just became the teachers pet.

    • Kiwi rugby lover

      Mate the Tongan Thor got caught out at Super level. Why would he succeed at the next level up?

      • Adrian

        I’m sure you are right. The gist of what I was trying to say, was try another tight head prop. Perhaps Pek Cowan?

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Yeah I agree. We need to play people in there preferred role. NZ has been lucky at times with players who can play both but they’re few and far between. I think the Thor could come right but while he’s quite good around the field, he needs to get his core scrummaging right first

        • Mica

          Pek’s a LHP isn’t he?

      • first time long time

        Because Cheika will pick him as a no 3 and play him at inside centre.
        Cop on KRL, you know the drill ; )

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Ba-boom!

        • Bernie Chan

          Nah mate…Cheika would have seen video of Tupou dropping to fullback for Brothers in the 2016 Premier Rugby GF to return kicks. So Tupou will be wearing #15 if Izzy gets injured…our fullbacks must “run the ball”…no kicking allowed…

  • Brumby Runner

    Thanks BJ. Both sides were fairly even and the draw was probably a good result. However, I have to take exception to your description of the Bokke maul leading to the try.

    In the first place, for whatever reason, three or four Wallabies forwards including Rob Simmons fell off the maul to the side and at that point it was probably under penalty advantage. Then about 4 or 5 metres from the line, Marx, the ball carrier, became unattached from the front of the maul and illegally bound again to reach the tryline. At that point it should have been penalty to the Bokke back where the maul collapsed. Finally, none of the camera angles was convincing that the ball had been grounded on or over the try line. It was a TMO error to award the try.

    OTOH the Wallabies’ rolling maul to score was composed to perfection.

    • first time long time

      Sorry BR but have to disagree,
      The ref asked “any reason not to award the try?” Therefore the TMO doesn’t have to see the grounding. He can only disallow it if he sees irrefutable evidence that the try wasn’t scored.
      Marx did detach nd held the jersey of the player in front for a second but never reattached.
      It was a try.
      Thought it was a pretty average match by both teams, nice and tense at the end though.
      We surrendered the breakdown again and got shown up by some good pick and drives.

      I’m not sure what Foley is doing out there but Beale play 10 all night barring set piece.

  • onlinesideline

    How long has it been since we saw someone in G&G do a well placed kick across field and find touch a few meters out from opponents try line a la Beale’s kick last night. ( what – 2 years maybe with Matt Giteau ? )

    The team is just starved of so many basic needs that all teams should have, that could make life so much easier for themselves. It all gets down to one thing with the Wallabies and thats the right players being picked in their right positions doing what the number on their back says they should be doing. You just get the impression they are a team still with hands tied behind their back – hard to describe, but there is just no overall zen.

  • Greg

    Thanks for the article Steve.

    If I reflect on the most common comments over the last few months three of them would be….

    1. Why do we keep going with lightweight back row?
    2. Why is Foley kicking in general play/for the line?
    3. Why is Folau not given a run at 11/14?

    How do we get Mr Cheika to start posting on GandG? He must have a reason…… but fiik what it is…..

    • Old_Laurentian

      He might be posting. You just have to guess the pseudonym.

  • onlinesideline

    I bet you one of the hardest things about playing the Wallabies from the kiwi, saffa, pom perspective is that we are a weird team. We’re not normal, we’re odd. I reckon people look at us like we’re strange, but just go “OK, they have their ways, its not how we’d do it but its Australia, have to respect them but …”

    We have such a strange mix of players with differing strengths and weaknesses, unconventional team styles and plays .. hard to describe but it doesnt feel like conventonal rugby union the way we play the game here in OZ. I’m beginning to think that AFL and League has infected us somehow.

    Am I rambling ?

    • Kiwi rugby lover

      Nah mate. That doesn’t bother us that much. I think we’re just glad the whole team is unbalanced and trying to achieve things the players can’t yet get. TBH if/when the players grow into the game plan they’ll be dangerous

  • Fatflanker

    Scrappy (three coach killers in the first three minutes FFS). Dominant at the gain line for most of the game and I actually thought the Wallaby scrum was edging it for most of the game too. Murdered when the replacements were rung and I get that 7As is getting schooled a bit for now a bit for now, but, honestly, 125kgs says he’s someone to persist with. Come RWC time I think Oz will have a pretty damn intimidating tight five. What to do about 8 though…McMahon is not the answer.

    • Who?

      Completely agree about persisting with 7A’s. Completely. Just needs some good tactical coaching.

      • joy

        In aggression.

        • Who?

          That’s about the only thing Cheik already coaches to its fullest potential. 7A’s needs genuine, real tactical coaching on how to deal with a technical issue. That’s totally different…

  • Brisneyland Local

    GAGR’s just re-watched the press conference post game. Intersting to see Hooper showed up in a t-shirt, and yet The SA capt turned up in his team uniform of coat and tie.
    I dont want to sound like Brendan Cannon upping Cameron Clyne for not wearing a tie. But that demonstrated to the difference in the little things. Set the standards and adhere to them. Lead by example.

    • Greg

      Small detail…. big point.

    • onlinesideline

      1. Last night, Hooper was trying to get the ref to justify one of his decisions and he termed his question – “how can we learn from this ? ” I dont know but I found this a bit patronising asking the ref for a school lesson, a fake humbleness, when the reality is, it was a passive agressive way of having a whinge but a PC whinge. Maybe he was curious where they went wrong but terming like this is going to piss off alot of refs. They are human.

      2. In his post game interview he said that “Im sure from the crowds perspective the game was very entertaining” but then listed the things they had to work on as a group. Again, maybe Im being pedantic but we’ll decide if the game is entertaining or not, you just do your job Mr Marketing Head and make sure you win the fucking match mate. Then we’ll judge if its entertaining or not thanks all the same.

      Hes a gutsy ever ready but hes got that PC Sydney passive agression that has made the city so bloody awful in parts and Im just not sure he is going to endear himself with the refs or the aussie rugby community all that much.

      PS. Im from Sydney presently living in Hungary

      • Sevenwithasixonmyback

        Just mine, but Hooper shouldn’t be captain. Nor of the Tahs.
        Maybe go the John Eales model and give it to Simmons. A big passionate no compromise Vickerman-type second-rower.
        Funny he’s heading to the Tahs too…
        Take a lot of pressure off Hooper and let him be an ordinary 7 without having to think about the rest of the field. Still ordinary but.
        And I liked the t-shirt vs team suit comparison. Reminds of the cricket touring blazer worn with a Baggy Green.

      • Brisneyland Local

        OLSL. I hear you I was thinking the exact same thing when he spoke to the ref. You dont ask the ref to teach you things, you are a professional, you are the Captain, you should know by now.

    • Bernie Chan

      Missed the game…but saw the press conference and noticed that Etzebeth was in full dress uniform while Hooper was in a t-shirt. Thought I was just too old or old fashioned…Also recall (teenage son and I…) our dismay that the Wallabies got off a Tour flight in Brisbane (just before Link resigned…) in various casual dress instead of a team uniform looking like a bunch of lads heading away for weekend piss-up…agree the attention to detail seems lacking.

      • Brisneyland Local

        My view exactly. It was bastardised into me through the factory (Duntroon) that you pay attention to the details. It is the little things! So when the time comes it is second nature, professional, ingrained and then that shapes those around you to meet the same standard. Etzebeth, and his teams stock went up ten points with me when I saw that. And the Wallabies (yet again) went down.

        • jamie

          Even as a pompous Victorian private school boy I was bastardized the same. Suits a nice touch. Eye contact, straight back, firm handshake. Same unspoken etiquette.

        • Brisneyland Local

          Damn straight. Gee you went to Gladiator Academy! I only joined the Army! I got off easy!

  • DK

    Why does Hodge continue to have these long shots?

  • Nutta

    A couple of quick observations:

    1. Clean out was very poor. Inaccurate and ineffective. And it comes because we field a lightweight backrow so our initial contact must be bang-on and it wasn’t. This hurt us a lot. I love Macca’s physicality but we are exposed playing him alongside Hooper. We need a Timani or similar to bring some beef.

    2. The scrum suffered with alalalnnnntoaa being the major issue. On our feed he gets squeezed by their loosehead and the pressure translates across to Sio’s arse who is supported by the heavyweight, Meercatting Hooper. The guy is learning – fair enough – but be clear where the issue is and be clear it can’t take forever to fix.

  • joy

    The scrum was not useless when Uelese was on the fiels

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