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Wallabies and Pumas unable to be split, again

Wallabies and Pumas unable to be split, again

The Wallabies and Argentina couldn’t be split at Bankwest with it ending 16-16 and like in Newcastle a few weeks ago, Reece Hodge had a chance to land the winning penalty goal but was unable to end Dave Rennie’s first year in charge with a win.

The draw made it three for the year and saw Argentina claim second spot on the Tri-nations standings which seemed unlikely after an eventful week to say the least in the Pumas camp. It was an immense defensive effort from the Pumas having to make 100 more tackles than the Wallabies and barely any possession or territory.

On a night where the rain didn’t help either side, the game was dominated by cards being dished out by referee Angus Gardner – 3 yellows including one to Michael Hooper and a red card to Lukhan Salakaia-Loto just 9 minutes into his game for a high shot with 20 minutes to go.

The Match

The Wallabies had pretty much all possession and territory in the opening 10 minutes but had nothing to show for it after some determined Argentina defence in their own 22.

With all that pressure, the Pumas started to rack up the penalties in their 22 to give the Wallabies more attacking chances by kicking to touch every time but the Wallabies couldn’t execute with knock ons and dropped ball easily letting Argentina off the hook.

Reece Hodge finally opened the scoring after 15 minutes with a penalty goal after Marcos Kremer was yellow carded for a high clean out on James O’Connor.

Argentina responded just minutes later from a long-range penalty to Nico Sanchez as he continued his run as the only Argentine player to score in the Tri-Nations to chalk up 43 points.

The Wallabies had employed a flat line to their attack with James O’Connor back at 10 but the Argentines were able to adjust their defence and leave their line intact with the Wallabies looking very lateral at times and not allowing room for their attacking threats.

The Wallabies found themselves down to 14 players after 27 minutes after TMO Damon Murphy intervened on a Michael Hooper clean out on Nico Sanchez and Angus Gardner decided it was a yellow card.

Domingo Miotti stepped up in the absence of Sanchez to put Argentina in front 6-3 after 30 minutes with only 20% possession and 10% territory.

Those numbers didn’t seem to matter to them as they went further ahead to a well worked try from long range that started after a Rob Simmons kick to touch deep in Argentina territory (yes, you read that correctly).

They rolled a maul at least 30 metres before Felipe Ezcurra ran through a gap and he found Bautista Delguy who got around Marika Koroibete and palmed off Hunter Paisami for the try and a 13-3 lead.

Right on halftime Reece Hodge landed his second penalty of the night but the Wallabies would be really disappointed to be behind at 13-6 after dominating the opening 10 minutes and making Argentina make a mountain of tackles.

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The rain got stronger for the second half and saw both teams head to the box kick for any sort of advantage. Even when the Wallabies did try and run it, they only hit the brick wall of the Argentine defence with Recce Hodge, among others, on the end of a big shot.

Hodge landed his third penalty after 50 minutes after a big scrum from the Wallabies but right off the restart they were under pressure after Paisami knocked on but the Wallabies scrum spared his blushes with Taniela Tupou making an immediate impact after coming on as a repalcement.

Less could be said about Lukhan Salakaia-Loto’s return from injury as he lasted only 9 minutes before being sent off for a high shot after earlier giving away some unnecessary penalties and Miotti punished that infringement with his second penalty to make it a 7-point game.

With a few changes in the Wallabies pack making a real difference, they found themselves deep in Argentina territory on the back of a number of penalties and rolling mauls. Argentina couldn’t stop them legally and lead to another yellow card handed out, this time to Lucas Paulos.

From the resulting lineout, the Wallabies rolling maul was too much to stop for the 7-man pack and Michael Hooper had the try with the assistance of Tupou’s weight getting him over the line – the first one in nearly 150 minutes of play. Hodge’s conversion levelled the scores at 16-16.

With the game winding down the Wallabies edged up the field and had the last chance to win the game with a penalty goal from long range, and again it was Reece Hodge stepping up from 45 metres out but he couldn’t land the winning goal to end it at 16-16.


The Details

Score & Scorers

WALLABIES 16
Tries: Hooper
Conversions: Hodge
Penalties: Hodge 3
ARGENTINA 16
Tries: Delguy
Conversions: Miotti
Penalties: Sanchez, Miotti 2

Cards

15 mins – Kremer (Argentina) – Yellow
27 mins – Hooper (Australia) – Yellow
59 mins – Salakaia-Loto (Australia) – Red
65 mins – Paulos (Argentina) – Yellow

  • Ads

    Hahahaha. Congrats Argentina on a great series.

    We are sooo dumb. Petaia should have been dropped after his last effort. He was worst on field which is saying something. Tackle lower you morons. If that was Cheika as coach we would be calling for his head. It’s obvious Rennie causes indigestion and instead of Moses might better be named Burke or Wills.

    • Who?

      Rennie’s saving grace is that it’s his first season and he has no experience out there. He’s dealing with the aftermath of 5 years of Cheika. Which left us with absolutely no direction at 10.

      • Alister Smith

        In Cheika’s early life as coach he took us to a RWC final….with some things going our way admittedly. But I agree, give these blokes some time.

        • Who?

          In his early life as coach Cheika took a team that was within 2 minutes/1 point of beating the All Blacks and went 1 from 4 in Europe. Against opponents that were all but swept the year before (we went 4 from 5, only losing to England when Brown sparked a counterattack with his boots in touch and when Squeaky copped a clear obstruction in the lead up to a Pomgolian try).

          Cheika also had the opportunity to select from three teams that had either made a Super Final (Brumbies) or won a title in the previous 4 years (Reds and Tahs). Whereas Rennie’s coaching a team without a singular province that’s made a Super final since. We had cattle under Cheika. We’ve got some good players coming down the pike from Rennie; we’re just in a transitional year. It would’ve been a rough year under Cheika, it’s been rough under Rennie. But I’m pleased with what I’m seeing from Rennie. Statements like, “They got bored with winning,” and “They need to learn next time to win without putting the coaches through the ringer.” My son’s not a big NFL fan, but he looked at Rennie and said the way he speaks – the humility and simplicity – reminds him of Bill Belichik. And, in a different way, it reminds me of Mike Tomlin’s presser after his Steelers beat the Ravens this week to get to 11-0. Honestly, one of the funniest pressers I’ve ever watched. You’d think they’d just lost and were 0-11, not the other way round! But it’s that striving for excellence.

        • Alister Smith

          I have nothing against Rennie. I thing I like least about Cheika was how he dealt with the press. But Rennie needs to win games or, at least have the team playing more consistently before I will acknowledge there is an improvement. I am as hopeful as anyone that that is the case. I think Rennie is a fine man. But I am more interested in the performance of the team than his performance in the press conference.

        • Who?

          I agree that improvement in a presser’s not a big deal. I’m not stressed about his presser performance, but the way he spoke had a clarity we’ve rarely seen in a Wallaby coach this century. Eddie loved to stir the pot. Knuckles, must admit I don’t remember his pressers that well. Deans mumbled, often incoherently. Link was often somewhat taciturn and hard to draw out. Cheika, it felt like not even he knew what he meant, ‘ya know what I mean’? Rennie’s been very clear. So I think there’s a good chance he’ll be getting through to his squad.
          Then factor in their cultural activites, starting with learning cultural songs from each PI group through to having his team belt out the national anthem in an indigenous language… It gives hope of the building of a strong culture.

          I do think the forwards have been fairly consistent in these six tests. Our defence improved, though those two losses weren’t great. The first was failure to execute the game plan (i.e. don’t kick it to Clarke in space), the second was a coaching mistake (Lolesio defending at 15). We just haven’t scored enough points this year, and, given we lost all our experience at 10 and 12 for at least half the games, that’s somewhat understandable. Though it clearly needs much attention.

          Here’s hoping that we see Wisemantel make inroads with that backline.

    • Brisneyland Local

      As bad as this was, and there are already pundits in the media calling for Rennie’s head, his win loss ratio is still miles better thans Cheika’s.

      • Ads

        I’m disappointed in Rennie. Many of his decisions were/are equivalent to Cheika. Pretty sure his win:loss is worse than Cheika at the same time but that’s statistically irrelevant. Not calling for his head, but he’s not really a step change improvement either on the evidence of this season.

      • Alister Smith

        Not sure that’s true 1 win from 6 2 losses 3 draws – win loss percentage is 33%

        • Brisneyland Local

          Well by my screwed up maths I was counting the Draws as nothing. And in my logic a draw against the Kiwi’s is as good as a win! ;-)

    • UTG

      Bit of a dilemma for the ardent Cheika haters on this site who assured us the only issue was the coach and had nothing to do with the underlying structural problems faced by the game in Australia.

      Also, if you think not taking the three points was Hooper’s sole decision and not a concerted tactical choice from the coaching staff I have a bridge to sell you.

      • Yowie

        I reckon they had a “first try” game plan or two (incl lineout-based) but would not adapt on the fly.

        • UTG

          Agree but the waterboys are out there with instructions from the coach every second minute. If Rennie wanted the plan to change and the three to be taken it would have been made clear.

        • Yowie

          True. I’m not defending anyone here. As a collective mass, the broader Wallabies planning & decision-making apparatus is declining the 3-pointers.

        • UTG

          Perhaps they all hop on some strange first tryscorer and 2+ cards multi.

      • idiot savant

        Yeah Cheik was a great coach. He would have done so much better than lose 2 out of 6 games. Lets get him and his brilliant assistants back.

        • UTG

          Didn’t he and his assistants lose 1/4 this series?

          Anyway, more seriously, you’ve made my point. If one is to even suggest that there is more to Australia’s woes than Cheika’s coaching it’s met with sarcasm and strawmanning. Makes it hard to have a proper discussion.

        • idiot savant

          My apologies. Sadly the lowest form of wit is all that Im capable of. Would Cheik’s record be better had the structures in Oz rugby produced smarter fitter more talented players? Yes unquestionably. Has Cheik been unfairly marked because he didnt have the cattle? As Chiang Kai Chek said when asked by Nixon what he thought of the French Revolution – its too early to tell. Lets wait till Rennie has had the side for a long enough period to make a more academically sound conclusion.

          I am at odds with almost all posters on here and think this year was actually a step forward for Australian rugby – from the Wallabies on down. I think a domestic only comp where players fight each week for the Wallaby jersey is something we have been missing for a long time. I think we will rue the loss of the NRC as a stepping stone but the stripping back of RA, the new chair, the reintegration of the west, and the new broadcast deal are all steps in the right direction. Im also happy with the Wallaby outcomes. I think it is unrealistic to have expected more. How many games did Cheik win when he took over Link’s side on the spring tour? Not many. And he had more experienced players. It takes time to learn new systems especially with so many green players.

          Its often been said more is learnt in loss than in victory (I know that should make the Wallabies of the last 4 years very smart) but I think Rennie will have leant a lot about Oz rugby and the elements that need working on and the players too can use this disappointment to be better in clutch games going forward.

        • Yowie

          Chiang Kai Cheik always used the same battle tactics.

        • Who?

          I’m with you – I think that, on the whole, this year has been largely positive. The results on the field are frustrating – we had opportunities to win each of our 3 draws (the last shots at points), but couldn’t quite do it (and I do NOT blame Hodge for that!). But we’ve blooded a lot of talent. We lost two 70 cap 10’s after the RWC. One of whom Cheika didn’t really use. And in one Test this year, our entire backline – both starters and those on the bench – could only scrape together 138 caps! Whilst we had 138 caps out injured (JOC, Toomua, DHP). It takes time to replace experience. All would know I wasn’t a Foley fan, but I’d have him at 10 over Hodge…

          Then add in the off field improvements. I wish we had the NRC – it will be missed. But, for the most part, with a rubbish hand, RA’s done a pretty good job. Especially Raelene.

        • UTG

          Agree that signs look good for the future. I think many of the issues faced with player selection will disappear over the next couple of years.

          However, comparing this year to the last few, Rennie and Cheika have faced many of the same issues with player selection (e.g. unbalanced backrow, no clear 10, centres that weren’t a natural fit) and the results haven’t been that different. This is in contrast to the proclamations on here that ditching Cheika was to be the end of the problems. That Rennie, a coach with a good pedigree and known for his smarts, has also struggled demonstrates that the issues facing Australian Rugby over the past few years have been a lot deeper than simply a poor national coach.

          I don’t want to get too much in dredging up history and making counterfactuals but the fact that people are still doubling down on the “ass-clown” bullshit when it’s clear that the issues are much more extensive than who has the top is pretty poor. I see Hooper has assumed the position of chief whipping boy on the premise that the modern test captain makes all the choices to go for goal in a vacuum and there’s zero input from the coaching staff. Spare me.

        • Who?

          I’m probably an exception to the rule with a lot of what you’re saying. Because I haven’t whipped Hooper in the last couple of years. I don’t know that Rennie’s figured out the loose forwards (he’s certainly had a tinker with his selections), but I think they’ve been reasonably effective. And in spite of losing Arnold, Rodda, and Coleman, our locks have held their own (who could’ve predicted that?).

          I genuinely think our major issues have been centred around the backline, inexperience and lack of depth due to the departures (and a couple of injuries). Can you imagine Quade behind this pack, and with those outside backs? You could drag back Sanchez, too, but White’s been our best back. With quality direction at 10, the two draws against Argentina turn into wins, because the pack did enough on both occasions. But our 10’s – in both games – ran the ball far more than they passed. And our backline generally lacked any incision.

          I’m hopeful that Wisemantel can have an impact, and I’m hopeful that, with more Super game time, Lolesio and Harrison can force their way into the top team.

        • UTG

          We definitely do need to sort out 10 because the attack was pretty limp this year. 1.17 tries a game isn’t going to cut it going forward.

        • Who?

          Totally, totally agree. But your point about 1.17 tries per game…
          Who’d have thought, after the last five years, we could have a season where we’d only score 1.17 tries per game, yet have only a 33% losing rate? Especially with 66% of the games being against NZ?
          It can’t be understated – we need to improve our attack.
          But we held NZ to under 20 points once, and to 22 points another time. Our two ‘blow out’ games, we had clear issues which we resolved (well, mostly – one was dropping a player, which may or may not have been the best solution). Argentina scored one try in two games (which meant we didn’t give them many opportunities). I think that’s a notable improvement compared to past years. Our average score under Cheika against both England and NZ was something like 20-35 leading into 2019 (though I think it finished worse than that). So, to continue that run, you could argue that we should’ve conceded (on past form) 140 points against NZ alone across the four games. But we conceded 108. Our averaged score was 13-27. 7 points less attack, 8 points less conceded.
          Attack, we can – and must – improve (which will be dependent on selection). Defensive consistency? I feel we have progress there.

        • UTG

          Both the game we won and the game we drew against NZ we scored two tries in. Agree the defence was much better but our inability to crack the Argentine line more than once really cost us in both the draws.

  • Yowie

    Can we take the f*****g 3 points when it’s on offer early in games f*****g please.

    It’s a totally different game when you’re 3, 6 or 9 points ahead after 20 minutes and the other team is playing catch-up.

    • formerflanker

      Especially when you go into the game knowing you face a fierce defensive side.

      • Yowie

        …with a sharpshooter called Sanchez etc. etc.

        Who knows. Perhaps the thinking was “we need to score tons of tries to stay ahead of these Falklands-invading 3-point merchants know-what-I-mean”.

    • Adrian

      They probably wouldn’t have kicked them…..only joking….or am I?

      • Hoss

        I don’t know mate. At the 48 minute mark they put Flanders match stats on the screen that read ‘2 runs, 4 metres, 1 tackle made’ – this from an international 6. I acknowledge he stole a couple of line outs here and there but FFS really 2,4 & 1 at 48 minutes.

        You could have Jehovah herself taking shots for the posts but if your forwards are completely ineffective…….I thought it the perfect international goodbye from Simmons. Completely useless at rucks ( and could have been pinged 4-5 times for entry), spilled more ball than the Exxon Valdeez did oil, went missing in D and was tugged early for his effort……bout sums up much of his 106 test career.

        Jordan of Nazareth needs an off season. He has been watching Gilbert reels on YouTube. He was completely and utterly dreadful. I would add one caveat that he is a young man who had a deeply traumatic year and IMO his head is a mess given the dreadful circumstances of his year. Some time off, process what’s happened, spend time with loved ones and come back in the zone next year. He hasn’t lost talent, but his rugby actions scream
        of a kid who needs time away. Like FKA did a couple years back under same circumstances.

        In all of this I feel for The Clydesdale and share Gregan’s opinion in that kickers don’t lose you games. The fault does not lie with Mr Hodge who to be fair is now the new Ian Baker-Finch of the Wallabies and must start trembling and a slight and uncontrolled urinary discharge when such opportunities present. To be fair it would have been completely unfair for the Wallabies to win that game – they were, as a unit, pathetic and that performance only only reinforced what I said a few weeks back. The problems lie entirely north of the neck – leadership, decision making and rugby clarity are completely missing and will be until changes are made to leaders.

        When they play so listless, disorganised and ‘one-out’ they are completely unwatchable and rank as the most insipid viewing I can recall.

        Two positives however. The young lady who sang the anthem can travel with the team and sing every week, what a voice AND the singing of a verse in First Nations dialect , with the Wallabies belting it out in same tongue behind her was goose-l, tear-welling inspirational. It was well thought out and a fantastic gesture and for mine far more telling than ‘taking a knee’. It’s steps like these that lead to genuine steps to reconciliation and inclusion – Shame then those same passionate, respectful thoughtful and disciplined players left those qualities on the side of the field for the next two hours and produces the rugby equivalent of a Giuliani press conference, nobody knows what the duck is happening or why.

        Last positive – we were unbeaten in 4 from 6……….

        • Yowie

          If you New South Welshmen can’t produce more victories at home games you shan’t be allowed to host them anymore.

          Look at Qld this season – one home test for one win. Over the ABs no less.

          Sort it out.

        • Hoss

          Where busy shredding all documents relating to any evidence now…..

          Just in that, what state does Gus Gardner hail from……. doesn’t he know how to ruin spectacle.

          Ol passion fingers – he fucks everything he touches.

        • Yowie

          Gus Gardner according to google:

          Born: 24 August 1984 (age 36 years), Sydney
          Nationality: Australian
          Education: Shore School, University of Technology Sydney

          I don’t know how a person can be born at 36 years old, but there you go.

        • Hoss

          Would be a difficult labour not unlike my own. My mum tells me she was in labour longer than Gough when I was born.

          But as our state politicians routinely remind us, anything’s possible in NSW for a price.

        • onlinesideline

          Now, now, look, now, look here, look here young Hossman. You just, you just, you just leave us pollies alone, just go about your business. OHHHH – You talking about the folks down in NSW. Oh yeah, they’d sell their own grandmother …..

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuAVO0jSW5U

        • Yowie

          Hahaha gold.

          The longer version shows Sir Joh getting up and walking away pushing the wheelbarrow he needed to carry his enormous balls (as needed to keep making denials & threats at that point).

        • Nutta

          balls or cash from all those Goldie developers?

        • Yowie

          Sometimes Heritage-listed buildings just get demolished ok?

        • Yowie
        • KwAussie Rugby Lover

          Mate well said. Loved that anthem, so much better than some dribble by a guy who doesn’t know the game or the name of the opposition. The not lose ratio is at least something and has been worse

        • Brumby Runner

          Great summary Hoss. So right about the players and lack of on-ground leadership. Looking back on the tri-nations I am especially disappointed that there was little new from Rennie. Some of his selections were Cheikaesque particularly how he persisted with poor performers, played some out of position and mysteriously ignored others. Simmons, Hanigan, Koroibete, Petaia, Gordon were consistent under-performers, Liam Wright, Wilson and even Valetini were mostly out of position (backrow problems carried over from Cheika), Samu, Tate, Lolesio, Maddocks, Hosea continually ignored.

        • Hoss

          I have been an advocate for Hooper’s captaincy – until now. There is no one decision I will point too, rather the cumulative effect that under his watch, with notable assistance from former coaches we have gone backwards. He is certainly NOT to blame for all that ails the wallabies, but at some point accountability for results and performances rest with him. And to be frank a fish smells
          from the head down.

          In my humble opinion captaincy to 2023 lies with JOC or 2-Cows with McReight or Wilson or someone from ‘gen next’ as VC and heir apparent as part of a broader succession plan.

        • onlinesideline

          I think Rennie was aware of this but it was one too many changes for opening season and an intense season. Some familiarity was needed. Next year I think the side will be quite different still, including the Capitaine.

        • Nutta

          Whilst I agree with your sentiment, I can think of 3million reasons why that won’t happen for another 3yrs…

        • mark conley

          apologies, i have been out of action for a while
          thought i’d read the comments
          came across ” … 2-Cows …”,
          turned to my good wife, told her the context
          web searched the current team as i couldn’t think (ptsd)
          but when i reached his profile i couldn’t help but have a good laugh and shared it with my still good wife and she had a giggle too
          thanks
          that’s enough composing for the day

        • Keith Butler

          Nicely summed up Hoss. Just to add my own witty epithet, the FISMs played with heart the G&G with themselves. Thought Hoops was very lucky not to get a red looked like direct to the head to me but the whole clean out thing has become a lottery.

        • onlinesideline

          I really didn’t think the yellow card the Argies got for that early cleanout by their lock was illegal. Its not a tackle, its a cleanout. What was the ref talking about ? There are cleanouts like that across all test matches every weekend at the moment. What has rugby become ?

        • Keith Butler

          I think you are right OLSL. Taken all the fun out of the game. Ban lifting in the line out and make it a proper contest between jumpers and ban the clean out and bring back proper rucking. Back in the day it was a badge of honour to get your jersey shredded and a few sprig marks on the back. Comment made slightly tongue in cheek to reflect my age and era I played.

        • onlinesideline

          And all commentators should be Scots too.

        • Keith Butler

          Ah the late great Bill McLaren.

        • onlinesideline

          Aye, many a Sunday afternoon watching 4 nations re – runs called by the late great commentator himself, maybe a replay of the last Ella Campese show in the UK, followed by the Young Ones, then corn beef and chips on a Sunday night. The 80s.

        • KwAussie Rugby Lover

          Sounds like a great night. “Vivian have we got a video?”

        • Yowie

          “The bathroom’s free. Unlike the country under the Thatcherite junta!”

        • onlinesideline

          I just went down the young ones rabbit hole for 10 minutes on youtube. YOU BASTARD. YOU UTTER BASTARD.

        • Keith Butler

          Bad karma man!

        • Keith Butler

          Mate you are not wrong and I was in my rugby prime!

        • Keith Butler

          One of my pleasures, said through gritted teeth, was watching the 84 Wallabies. They didn’t need Alan Jones, just pure magic.

        • Nutta

          Jiggery Pokery

        • idiot savant

          Patience Hossman. Rome wasn’t built in a day. In fact half of it looks unfinished to this day. This is an adolescent side. The good experienced players have buggered off or are injured. Our cap count was miles behind our rivals. I expected carnage this year but was pleasantly surprised that only happened once. For these kids to play their first 4 tests against the All Blacks and only lose 2 of them was as much if not more than can have been reasonably expected. And lets give the Argies some credit for their defence. They kept it up for all but 30 minutes in their 4 matches. What we needed against that disciplined defence was what we didn’t have – experienced leadership and patience. Toomua was sorely missed. What we need is for Harrison and Lolesio to get older and short of marriage there are few ways to speed that process up. But this lot are coming. I think that little bit of disappointment might be just as motivating factor as having won for next season. And Rennie has made it clear all spots are up for grabs so that will add spice to next years SR AU. Theres good things ahead.

        • Hoss

          I’ve been patient since 2001 mate. Promise must equal results and soon.

        • Nutta

          What a rare moment of considered optimism! Please remember which site you are on here.

      • Jason

        See I don’t think we needed to kick every penalty to try for a goal, but I think we needed to continue that pressure, pin them in their 22, they’ll crack or they’ll give away so many penalties they’ll start losing players. And then you just keep hammering away. THEY WILL BREAK, EVENTUALLY.

    • Tim

      We are the dumbest international team in world rugby

    • Custardtaht

      Rennie needs to sharpen the axe and fucking swing it, there is a bunch of dead wood that needs removing.

      The problems affecting the Wallabies;

      1. Impatient
      2. Ill Disciplined
      3. Imbeciles
      4. Insufficient skill levels.

      If I was the parents of some of these players and paid for a private school, I’d be asking for my money back, because they were fucking ripped off. There are some Seriously dumb as dog shit players impersonating (poorly) an international rugby player.

      • Hoss

        From the Paddington end, off his long run up.

        • Custardtaht

          The rematch might has well have been a re-run, cause sure as shit the Wallabies tried the same stupid shit and got the same stupid outcome. They have learnt nothing over 6 tests and Rennie has his hands full taking this mob and turning them into international rugby players.

          Not learning from your mistakes pisses me off and Hooper is leading the charge.

        • Jason

          That’s basically all Hooper has ever known.

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  • From NooZealand

    It is very hard to be positive after such game. It is going to be a long summer. Wishing you all a good break with your loved ones. After all, we find comfort in their company. See you in 2021.

    • Brisneyland Local

      Thanks mate, you too!

      • From NooZealand

        Cheers.

  • Hoppy

    Dumb rugby alright Ads, but before you drop PETAIA you would have to give Hooper his marching orders. He was ineffectual on everything except staying inside the TUPOU bind for the try. Worst of all was his leadership. WHen his team needed a calming voice and direction he was invisible. Not a good captain and not a good open flanker these days.

    • Yowie

      Why does it take until after the half-time coach spray for the Wallabies to start playing to the conditions? Are there no on-field leaders (not nec/only captain) setting the necessary tone?

      • Who?

        33 minutes – Simmons clearly was sick of playing behind the ball! When your forwards are the ones playing to the conditions…

        • mutley

          That was such a smart play from him. Shame they then matched us down the field for a try

        • Mica

          Ironically he showed no urgency in the maul defence. When he got spat out the side he was jogging back down the field slower than my mother and made no attempt to get back into it to try to halt it.
          I am continually amazed by players who lose out in a contact or play and then show no interest in coming back twice as hard to make amends. Is it a fitness, attitude or lack of heart problem?

        • Mike D

          Simmons has smarts and calm. He’d be my pick for captain until Wilson comes through.

        • Who?

          Last night was likely his last test. He’s Giteau-law eligible, but I don’t imagine he’ll be Rennie’s primary target.
          And three quarters of G&GR and The Roar would be out with their pitch forks and torches… :-

    • UTG

      Do you mean De La Fuente or Hooper needed to use a calming voice and supply direction? Because one team leaked a try after being 7 ahead with an extra man after a series of ill discipline while the other team rallied.

  • idiot savant

    After the Cheika debacle, would you have taken an annual return of only 2 losses (to the mighty ABs however weakened) in 6 matches with a bunch of kids just starting in test rugby and many veterans gone? I would’ve. Its as good as or even better than we could have expected. Particularly with a draw against the kiwis on their soil (which lets face it should have been a win when an NZ player entered the ruck side on and played the ball off his feet in front of the sticks in extra time) and a win against the ABs.

    And lets give credit to the heart of the Puma defence. It was outstanding.

    Some Takeaways for me are: the standard of our coaching has risen and as the kids mature we will see the benefits of this. Im yet to be convinced by our young gun centre pairing. For all their individual brilliance they lack penetration. They failed to deliver with enormous amounts of ball. The ball scores the try not the man. We need centres who understand this. Of the newbies BPA, Phillip, Wilson, Paisami, and T Wright were very good. We do lack a skilled kicking general at five eight. Looking forward to see Harrison and Lolesio fight that one out. We missed Toomua. Our forwards weren’t beaten by anybody. Thor continues to grow into a colossus. I want Swinton back. I love the way Rennie gave Simone and Valentini a second chance, they will grow from that.

    Roll on February! And thanks again GAGR for being da Rugby bomb.

    • While I broadly agree with this, I think you’re being harsh on the young centres. They are far from the finished article, but I think they’re improving game on game.

      I have no idea what 2021 will look like, in terms of the test schedule, but give them exposure through 2021 and I’m thinking they might be a pairing that, leading on to 2023 are looking genuinely world class. Will they be the best in the world, maybe not, but up there in the conversation at least. Wilson seems to have the potential to genuinely be in the conversation for best in the world.

      • Steve

        I’m convinced by Paisami Eloise, less so by Petaia at this point. Not that I think he shouldn’t play, just that the jury is still out.

        Simone had some nice touches in his short time on the pitch, I would personally prefer Simone and Toomua fight out the 12 jersey and Petaia/Paisami the 13.

        In reality we will have plenty of time to see the options over Super season next year. Roll on 2021.

        • That’s fair enough, and with the two part SR season, we’ll see how they all continue to develop.

          I just think they’ve both improved and I’d be happy to see them both going. Simone certainly needs to be considered as well. I’m wondering if Toomua does, longer term. 33 by 2023… will he be too old for France?

        • Who?

          With his history of injuries, I wouldn’t put a cent on Toomua making 2023. He’ll be an old 33 (January baby).

        • Even not taking his injuries into account, 33 is pushing it, even for the pretty boys…

        • Who?

          Especially for the pretty boys. I’d be more confident of a tight five player making it past 33 than a player in a position where speed is critical.

      • KwAussie Rugby Lover

        I think you’re being too nice mate. Petaia makes too many dumb decisions and needs a lot of work. Simone is a much better option right now. I agree there’s positive movement but more needed for me

        • He’s a kid, with 21 SR caps, and 6 Wallaby caps. Not everyone is Richie McCaw!

          Give him another year of SR and if he’s not a lot better, I will agree, at the moment, I’ve got some sympathy.

        • Yowie

          Not everyone is Richie McCaw!

          Yeah, we need some players to come through the gate.

        • Brisneyland Local

          Boom tish!

        • Patrick

          Yes, but actually give him that year of super rugby.

          And just give up on Hanigan forever.

        • Yes. I mean, there might be a spot for him on the bench as injury cover of other players are injured, but never in a low number.

          Even though he’s done better this year than in his previous outings, he’s still not a test match player.

        • Alister Smith

          Think Ned is OS next year. Actually wonder if he was heading to Europe rather than Japan if he would return a more finished player. Don’t imagine we will be getting Simmo back under the Giteau law so the last we will see of him.

        • Mica

          Pretty sure he’s off to Japan. Personally I think he’d benefit much more from a year in Europe.

        • Patrick

          I doubt it personally. He just does not have any mongrel – some players instictively “hit” in contact, he does not. He does not seem to have that drive/hunger to get around the field enough either.

        • Howard

          Agree that Petaia needs a year of SR at 13 and that he’s a Pup, but not that he improved game to game..he was very good early in the season but was dreadful last night. Hopefully he stays injury free and gets a full SR season under his belt

        • Jason

          Simone isn’t up to test level. I’d sooner Stewart who is basically the same level but a much stronger defensively.

      • Mike D

        Wilson for captain at next WC. Needs support from Toomua and JOC to keep a cool head.

        • I’m not objecting to this. However, I don’t know that he’s up to it right now. I’d like to give him a solid chunk of games before we say “here, be captain too.”

          Whether he’ll develop into a player who has what it takes to be a captain too, we should wait and see. But if he does, I really don’t have a problem with him as captain in France.

        • Mica

          Why?
          He’s not the captain of the Reds and he wasn’t the captain of the Junior Wallabies.
          For me he’s the type of player you just want to let concentrate on his own contribution and leading by example.
          I’d have him as a leader, but not as a captain or vice.
          Just my 2c.

    • Adrian

      Need a real 5/8

      • Who?

        A million times yes!!!
        I really hope Rennie spends his entire summer whispering into the ears of Lolesio and Harrison. They could be anything, they just need time and confidence.

        • Reds Revival

          I’m a little concerned about what a middle aged man would be whispering in the ears of 20 year old boys?

        • qwasimodo

          “You wanna be a star don’t you?”

        • Who?

          It all depends on how close he is when he’s doing it… If he’s doing it by voice recordings that they play on their mobile devices, we’re all good.
          I just want to see an investment made into those guys by Rennie and Wisemantel. Because JOC and Toomua aren’t going to win us Bill in 2023.

      • Parker

        QC with JOC at 12

      • Ads

        That’s one of Rennies biggest failings so far – the failed Hodge experiment and not really giving any meaningful time to lolo or Harrison

        • Mica

          Umm really – failed experiment. He’s been serviceable as a 10 with very limited experience. No doubt he was a stop gap, but we beat the All Blacks with him at 10. The only commentary I would say is that he is more of a NH style 10 and needs to work on his hand speed/accuracy and organising to be anything more than a serviceable replacement. Actually I would say he is more than serviceable.

        • Ads

          Yep I reckon it’s a fail. He’s not a 10 and will unlikely become one. He is not a playmaker. If this was a world cup qtr and that was the only option fair enough. But Saturdays game was essentially meaningless. Why not give a proper 10 a go? Lolo 10, JOC 12, Hunter 13, Petaia to Marike Wing? Petaia never passes anyway. May as well stick him on a wing. Wright (winger) was consistently good – he’s a keeper.

          So for me the the season has consisted of 2 12’s (JOC and Toomua) playing 10, and 1 23 (Hodge is a great utility).

    • Who?

      Petaia has done nothing all season. Tonight, I don’t think he made a single good decision. He’s seriously talented, but he’s far from integrated into the team.
      Paisami was far better.
      But JOC… All that possession in the first 20, and I don’t think he threw a pass! Certainly, his first 4 touches were all carries into the forwards on a slight angle to the line after running laterally. If that’s what the 10’s providing, you’re asking a lot of your 12.

      • Jason

        I wouldn’t say he’s done nothing, but he’s only limited had moments of his brilliance.

        • Ads

          He’s been a net negative for sure.

      • Seaweed

        JOC is not the answer.

  • KwAussie Rugby Lover

    I’m sorry but that was shit. Hooper needs to go. Worst record of any Wallaby captain ever so just bugger off. Dumb decisions, dumb play and a shit result. Rock on 2021 I’ve had enough of 2020

    • Jason

      He just has no feel for the game. It was interesting to hear Rennie before the game talk about those kinds of decisions being poor….

      The problem is who replaces him, but at this point Hooper is a significant negative so anyone has got to be better.

      • Alister Smith

        Not disagreeing entirely (like Hoopers play but not that impressed by elements of his decision making) but surely the approach is agreed before the game and reinforced by the runners throughout. So if he was defying the instructions of the coaches I would be replacing him (two or three tests ago).

        • Jason

          I’m just saying that, before the last game against Argentina – at a minimum, Rennie was talking about our decision making. IIRC it was something like ‘we need to not let them off the hook’ and ‘we need to make more use of the pressure we are building’. I head him say things like that on at least two different occasions before the game. Once in a mid week interview, and literally right before the game.

          I felt like he was indicating that it wasn’t ideal a few times before, but reading between the lines I’d say Rennie was probably not too happy. But even if that is the case Rennie has the problem of who he replaces Hooper with, (and why I think appointing Hooper this season was a mistake) you can’t appoint Hooper, then replace him in the same season. Especially given how much Rugby Australia loves Hooper. I don’t even think he’ll be able to replace him next season (assuming he wants to). Perhaps Rennie making those comments was him trying to signal that he’s working with Hooper’s decision making. I’d imagine given the environment Hooper came up (Cheika) he’s likely to be very my way or the high way – and Hooper has the backing of Rugby Australia.

          So even IF Rennie isn’t happy with Hooper’s captaincy it’s not as if he can realistically force change or just replace Hooper as that kind of decision is going to piss off Rugby Australia if it comes too soon.

    • Seaweed

      Totally agree. Been watching this for years. Over it.

  • Ok, first off, congratulations to Argentina for staying focussed enough despite all the ruckus in their camp this week to produce yet another huge defensive effort.

    The Wallabies looked both lacklustre and stupid against them, even in the second half where they started playing to the conditions better, and while I don’t generally believe in teams “deserving” an outcome, I pretty much feel the Wallabies were lucky to escape with a draw after that combination.

    I’m not quite sure how many points Hooper left begging, but when there are 5 penalties, all against the Pumas and all in their half in the first 14 minutes, you’ve got to reckon that’s at least 9 points.

    And can I just say how poor game Gardener had again. Not for the cards, despite the commentators who are thankfully being put out to grass, but for the general game. A generous sprinkling of terrible calls, really uneven advantages and so on, it was a mess. The only thing I’d say he did well was manage the players. I’m not sure when they assess the elite panel next, but on this year’s performances, I’d be booting him off it.

    • KwAussie Rugby Lover

      Harsh call on Gardner mate. I know I’m biased on my support for referees but I thought he was ok. Dumb decidions as usual by Hooper but to be expected as he’s always done this

      • Wholly on agree on dumb decisions by Hooper.

        I try to give referees a lot of leeway, and he made a lot of calls I agreed with. But he had me shouting obscenities for poor calls, which usually takes a string of them close together that I can’t put down to just a different point of view.

      • whatwouldberniedo

        Was there a massive obvious truck and trailer half way through the maul that preceded the pumas try? I’m wondering if my green and gold bias was distorting my vision. I wasn’t sure if Gardner was crap or I was desperate.

        • I’d have to go back and check, but I think that’s your G&G tinted specs.

          If it’s the incident I’m thinking of, then it’s not a truck and trailer, because the maul had already formed, the Wallabies all fell out, then rejoined. In this case, because the Pumas remained bound, it was the same maul under the laws.

          This is law 16.12: When players of the team who are not in possession of the ball intentionally leave the maul such that there are no players of that team left in the maul, the maul continues. The interpretation is over the word intentionally but generally if the side with the ball remains bound, you don’t see it given.

          Basically this is to stop you forming a maul, peeling off, rejoining and claiming obstruction, penalty to you. If you want to try it, you have to step away BEFORE the maul forms, wait for them to get the ball to the back, then make contact. I have seen this tactic applied, successfully, and the Wallabies could have done it given how far from the try line the line out was but you don’t see if often.

        • UTG

          Yeah, massive truck and trailer. The hooker clearly became unbound right in front of Gardner.

        • whatwouldberniedo

          thanks mate, when no-one mentioned it on here I thought I must have been seeing things. didn’t the maul split with two guys continuing to head downfield and the trailing two with the ball rejoining them? I’ve been off Gardner for a while, but his performance in RWC was so bad I thought he might have rectified the number of howlers he makes in a game since then. apparently not.

        • UTG

          Yep, the two lead players broke to the right and left behind the ball carrier behind. I couldn’t believe it wasn’t called.

          Gardner’s grandstanding irks me more than anything else, at least call time off if you’re going to rant.

        • idiot savant

          Yeah I thought the hooker’s shoulder came off and he was only holding onto the jersey with his hand. Is that bound?

        • Mica

          No – can never bind on arm/hand only.

      • Adrian

        We probably would have missed the kicks…. only joking

      • Who?

        I don’t think either team would be happy with Gus tonight. So he probably had an ok game… Though hardly a good game to watch.

        The first YC, I thought it was harsh but correct according to the framework. I’d have been ok if it’d been missed.

        Hooper’s YC? I’m not convinced he ever made contact with Sanchez’s head. I don’t think it was a penalty, let alone a YC. His initial contact was on the outside of Sanchez’s shoulder, and when Sanchez’s head snapped back, it was being driven by his own shoulder. I think his HIA was likely as necessitated by his impact with the ground as much as anything else.

        The RC to LSL? Spot on. Very clear. What wasn’t mentioned in the report above was that it was LSL’s second consecutive dumb penalty. Dumb, because it was absolutely avoidable. His previous action was to play the halfback at a ruck, which led to the lineout, to tackle, and then LSL’s high shot.

        The last YC? Los Pumas could’ve given away a couple of other YC’s for repeated infringements. In fact, I thought they should’ve lost someone the penalty before the cleanout YC…

        • Hambone

          Sanchez hammed that up as he always has. Even captain fantastic noted it in the post match conference.. words asking the lines of” if I hit him that hard he wouldn’t have come back on, let alone passed the HIA”
          whatever happened to the milking penalties for straight up Oscar performances. A night to be forgotten, horrible conditions, game management, something needs to be done re penalties and going to TMO. it really is a spectator killer. The amount of stop start, rewind, slow mo, sore it up, another angle, let me look at that one again.. beyond a joke now.

        • Who?

          Yeah, the Pumas have a long and dishonourable history of diving. Including against Hooper.
          I thought Sanchez being cleaned out by Hooper was far less dangerous than what JOC copped. But only one of them stayed down…

    • mutley

      Agreed. A terrible performance that was again all about him. If I truly wanted to punish myself I would edit a super cut of the game including all the moments he was lecturing players. I suspect it would be at least half an hour long.

      • That’s just masochism! But while every referee, pretty much, likes lecturing front rows and others, Gus seems to like it more than most.

        • Yowie

          In the pub afterwards:

          “Then I said to these 6 massive units – Sort it out or I’ll sort you out. And I’m all of 70kg. I know, pretty legendary hey.”

        • Alister Smith

          At one point he said to the reserve front rows. If you blokes can’t get this right I will send you off and get the previous front rows on as they got it right. Just sounded like a self important f@ckwit. I am sure there is a job for him somewhere in a state government writing and implementing COVID safe health rulings.

        • Who?

          I watched on delay with my son, and when he said that, I laughed, skipped back and watched it again. The stupidity of such a statement…

          It’s only beaten by Paul Williams in Wellington, when he told the replacement front rows, “The other guys were great, you guys have come out and ruined it.” Whilst lecturing them for the very same things he whinged about with the starting front rows! It was like Williams was a goldfish – no memory of what had happened five minutes earlier.

        • Brisneyland Local

          It was Dan Andrews in disguise!

    • Michael Hassall

      What i don’t get is why you bang away at the corner against 15 men, then as soon as you get the man advantage you take the shot at goal, (which takes more than 1of the 10 minutes) and give up territory that tou were insisting on when the opposition had 15 men. I don’t think the kiwis would have chosen that moment to take the three if they had turned down the previous four.

      • There were whole heaps of stupid.

        I looked at the first penalty and thought ok, long way, quite wide, raining, don’t mind taking the territory. Plus, the Pumas have three of their star defenders from the last three weekends out, lets see how they’re doing in defence with this lineup.

        After that, the Pumas defence looked solid, phase after phase, the penalties looked far more kickable, and four more times in a short period of time… lets go to the corner… *beats head against desk*.

        Taking the penalty when they’re down to 14 is just a further example of stupid thinking.

        I’ve got kind of fed up of sounding like a broken record and saying Hooper is overrated, but ffs, he needs to be dropped as captain like a hot potato. For mine, he needs to be dropped from the side too. He keeps making dumb decisions, and we’re looking at a team where too many players make dumb decisions but when they’re following the captain’s example on the pitch, it’s hard to blame the youngsters.

        • Michael

          Let’s hope 2021 is less disrupted, and we get to see the Australian teams playing, led by the next generation with more experience behind them so that we can see who is better placed to lead each of the SR franchises, and then the Wallabies.

        • It would be nice just to have a year of rugby that’s not too disrupted by Covid and anything else.

          I don’t follow the cricket, but Ebg v SA “match abandoned due to Biobubble breach” has to be pretty much unique!

          I hope we see a candidate for captain emerge. I hope Rennie takes a chance on whoever it is too. I am willing to give him time, moreso than the Aussie sports writers it seems. But the team needs to regularly show its thinking, the captain even more. I can’t help feel he’s Rennie is going to stay conservative because of the youth, and that’s going to hinder that process.

    • Alister Smith

      Even without questioning the accuracy of Gardeners calls, his manner and the way he communicated to both sides just didn’t sit well with me.

      • There isn’t a right or wrong answer to how the ref talks to the players I think. What works for one fan may not work for another and really it’s down to how it works for the the layers, not us.

        But as I’ve said elsewhere, while every ref seems to do this, and personally I think that’s right, it seems (perhaps wrongly) that Gardner stops the game and talks more than most.

  • formerflanker

    I’m a big Hooper fan but worry about his team management. The cameras cut to him a lot and I don’t see much in the way of captaincy talk. I know he may be doing this at other times, but when I see close ups of Hoops he isn’t encouraging, strategising, revving up, or bollocking out people.
    Perhaps his style doesn’t need that stuff but I’d like to see him getting more vocal.

    • Patrick

      He almost never has so what did you expect?

    • Jason

      You missed his running away when his team is under pressure. He is probably the worst in World Rugby at dealing with the referees.

    • Mike D

      I’d actually like Simmons as captain. But sadly I believe he is leaving? He may not be the best second rower in the world, but he is calm, quietly solid, and a bit softly spoken. I think refs might stop to listen to him just because he doesn’t yap like a chihuahua the entire time (looking at You A Smith.).

    • Mica

      Depends what he says doesn’t it?
      After hearing some of the things he says when interviewed, I’m not so sure I want to hear more from him. Not an awful lot of honest self reflection at times.

  • formerflanker

    For once in my rugby-watching life I’m pleased we didn’t win.
    Perhaps the draw will encourage deeper self-analysis by the team and coaches than a narrow win would. 19-16 may have papered over the cracks.

    • Alister Smith

      Like the idea of more self analysis but I don’t agree that it would have papered over much. That was terrible and everyone on the field new it.

  • Hoss

    My late grandfather always said ‘if you can’t say anything positive don’t say anything at all.

    Goodnight.

  • Yowie

    A minor thing. I don’t have any issue with the cards given for Aussie high shots.

    BUT, the Argies seem very good at the dramatic “hands to head & fall to the ground with sad face” .

  • Patrick

    Hooper, thanks for everything and bye
    Hanigan, thanks for trying, and bye
    Petaia, thanks for the moments and look forward to seeing you again in a little while.

    That would already make a big difference.

    Then as everyone else is saying we kick for points in their 50 every single f$%ing time unless we have a margin of 30 points already.

    • Brisneyland Local

      Here here!

  • Will

    That was just sh!thouse and lazy by LSL. I’d forgive a player for a high tackle after 40odd mins of test rugby hell even less but he made zero attempt to get low and put the work in on that hit. That’s not wallaby material. He had plenty of time and was on the pitch for 9mins. Sums it up I guess. Pretty disappointing effort by the team. Crap way to close out the season.

    • Alister Smith

      Lazy is very accurate

  • GeorgiaSatellite

    Thanks Steve. Congrats to Argentina: 1loss in a gruelling tour in summer and a pandemic. I can’t say I appreciate all the gamesmanship, but it’s only as good as it’s allowed to be, and they got away with a lot (IMO).

    Wallabies: is there a business named “Woeful” or “Embarrassing”? They’d make ideal replacement sponsors for QANTAS.

    I can’t expose my 3yo to this! I need him to learn some basic skills, and he’s not going to get them from me. I was never allowed near the backs, unless they ran at me (which they frequently did, once they understood my defensive inadequacies), but even I know that you have to mark your man and trust the inside guy to do his job. Koroibete, what were you thinking? But it should never have got to that.

    I agree with all the sentiment about Hooper. Great motor, not a captain. What Yowie said about taking the early points – completely agree, but the even sadder thing is, this is “rinse/repeat”. None of them ever seem to learn from their mistakes.

    Sigh…

  • Pedro

    Petaia plays like a more athletic version of Rob Horne.

    • Ads

      Comment of the thread. Think Rob had better hands. And less stupid kicks.

    • Alister Smith

      How is he going with his recovery? Any improvement or is it permanent.

  • Jason

    Yet again… Hooper has zero clue on when to kick for goal and when to kick for the corner. Pretty sure he’s been the worst Wallaby captain of all time, if not he’s bloody close.

    • Yowie

      At least he makes up for it with all the on-field team directions and being a statesman to the referees.

      FFS

      He’s such a relic of the Voldemort era. Just keep charging the same way at 100% no matter what is going on. “We’ll crash-out or crash-through boys!”

      • Jason

        And they’ve crashed out many times already. -_-

      • Alister Smith

        I think it’s “crash or crash through” but same diff. I thinks Hoops version is “we’ll crash or crash”.

  • Tim

    That was a hard game to watch. Wallabies looked really soft. Our passing was dreadful it looked like we hadn’t really learned anything at all from the last 5 test matches. The only positive I thought was that we didn’t loose considering the red card. There one try summed up the night. Reece hodge screaming to Marika Koroibete who just had to stay on his man. He didn’t listen and they score. Simple basic things that cost us the game.

  • laurence king

    The good things, Valentini and Tupou made a massive difference, Banks was assured again under the high ball. We got back into the game and suddenly our maul worked.
    Hooper seemingly has seemingly not learnt a thing in regards to taking the points on offer. I think that will be his last game as captain

  • Crescent

    Well, that was hard to watch. Just as well we wanted a new tv as this one is now knackered after the abuse it took last night.

    First I was losing my tiny mind at Petaia and the Gilbert style chip kicks to no-one and nowhere, but in the cold light of the next morning – where were the “old heads” getting beside him and telling him to back himself and run the ball? He needs more time in Super rugby before he is discarded as not a test player, but has a lot of development still to come.

    When are we going to respect the Test arena? Points on offer – take them. Build scoreboard pressure and play for the tries, but punish any indiscretions on the scoreboard.

    We lack intelligence, leadership and ruthlessness.

    The rest has been well covered by plenty of others here.

    Finally, congrats to Argentina. Desperately short on preparation, a long way from home with a tough schedule, they played hard and smart and took the points on offer. Applied plenty of pressure and will take a lot from this tour.

  • Brisneyland Local

    Well Good morning GAGR’s! I have had to wait a while to write this, as if I had written it I would definitely have been coming in from the long run up, in fact of the boundary rope. But alas stupid me thought the game couldn’t be that bad, as I thought it was last night, so I watched it again this morning. Big mistake. My run up is now starting from the Carpark fence.
    – That was absolute fucking crap! As Hoss would say that was like watching a special person trying to fuck a door knob.
    – Every game isn’t played on a dry strip with good weather, and our team has to learn how to play in the wet. And adjust.
    – Hooper has to go! There are many reasons for this, but the first being his total lack of leadership and rugby smarts! Second, he is an ineffective 7. When you are getting cleaned out by backs you are not a good 7. Hooper is now the most yellow carded international player. God people used to whinge about the number of yellows QC used to have. His ability to communicate with the Refs is appalling. Now lets talk about not taking points. You think he would have learnt but he hasn’t. Our line out is shit, the conditions are bad, the ball is slippery as fuck, and you are hedging your bets on everything going right. I understand backing your boys, but when delivery has been a problem, you take the percentage options and take the 3. People will complain that that is Northern hemisphere crap, but hey when it is pissing rain like that, it is the Northern hemisphere. I hope that this is the last game we see of Hooper as captain, and I definitely think we have other 7 options who are stronger 7’s.
    – Angus Gardner cant be blamed for the cards. There is a frame work, he followed it. But after the Argie got the first yellow, that is when Hooper should have grabbed the boys and said “In case you havnt worked it from what you have just seen, if anyone tackles near the head, you are going to the bin! So don’t fucking do it you morons!” But alas instead he went and did it himself. AG’s referring was intermittent. But alas I wont blame the referump ever. Take it out of the referumps hands, and we cant seem to do that.
    – Jordan P needs a month off, and needs to sit down and take stock of his year. He needs to sit with a tactical coach, and discuss options and decision making. He needs to learn.
    – Thor looked great off the bench.
    Overall that was dogshit, utter dogshit. Onfield leadership is needed. A new Captain would be a great start. There has to be a voice of reason, so one with a rugby brain, adjust as required, and communicate with the players, keep talking to them. Big Kev was a great example of this, and I am not just saying that because I am a Qlder of sorts. I am glad this year is over, rugby wise. The results whilst disappointing are still better than under the Cheika era, so I will take that as a step forward. But fuck me is there still a lot of work to do to overcome the deficiencies let by him. He coached the decision making out of them.
    Over to you GAGR’s!

    • idiot savant

      I remember AFL coach Robert Walls saying that he didnt have to do too much when his Fitzroy side was under pressure because he had MEN who were leaders like Roos, Pert, and Lyon that would take responsibility on field and make good decisions. Under the Cheika years I dont remember on field leadership by MEN. One of Cheika’s strategies was to motivate through fear (Johnny Sexton said this) and you cant really make MEN fearful. It doesn’t work. You need boys for that. Or lads as Cheik likes to call them. No wonder Cheik had no time for Fardy and Higginbotham, both men and natural leaders on field. Unfortunately we’ve been short of this commodity for some time. In the current side Id nominate Toomua, Phillip, and AAA as men capable of this kind of leadership. Hoops? Well his record is not good and he once complained that his Tahs wouldn’t listen to him. Perhaps hes still a boy? And Whitey? Well he’s a half back. But Toomua is probably going to spend the remainder of his career getting injured, Phillip may be OS, and AAA will have to spend at least half of every game off the field unless he switches to loose head. So I dont think we are going to fix the leadership conundrum for a while. Maybe in 3 or 4 years time Wilson, McReight (if he can prove to be a test player), Harrison, Lolesio, Simone and McDermott can become the core of young men who are on field leaders.

      • Brisneyland Local

        Yep, 100% agree. You can pick natural leaders around you, they were easy to spot in the military. But then there are men that can lead when the going is good an easy. But there are real leaders taht stand up when things get shitty. We have neither. And in fact most of the natural leaders were kept from the squad by the Ass Clown. Now Reniie has a lot off rebuilding to do. He has to rebuild skills, plays, tactical decision making , and ledaers. That is a big ask, but he has 3 more years to do so.

      • onlinesideline

        100% – its THE issue we face and I wonder whats the root of it.

        White though is what you are referring to. Travelled, not a yes man and can take bull by horns on field and change a game.

    • Mica

      Well BL, when you said long run up I thought here we go. However, I thought that was a perfect length delivery. Hit the nail on the head for me. It seems like they don’t want to adapt or learn from the mistakes of the past. All the bad decisions and stuff ups are repeats of previous games – I feel like I am in the rugby equivalent of Groundhog Day. Hooper seems to have no positive impact on the team when things are going badly. It really does seem to be pretty rudderless on the field more often than not.

      • Brisneyland Local

        It has been that way for a long time. We need to wipe the slate clean of everything to do with the old era.

  • Mike D

    Surely Koroibete has played himself out of the starting jersey. He consistently slides in on defence, is ok under the high ball, is ok (barely) kicking – but doesn’t, is almost ok at passing. He does one thing really well, run it hard and fast. That would be great, except at test level everyone knows what he’s going to do and, surprise, surprise, at test level they are really good at tackling big, fast Fijian wingers.

    For mine, I’d rather see Petaia on the wing cause he doesn’t know how to effing pass it anyway and at least he might find some space for his footwork. Toomua to 12 when he’s fit, Paisami to 13. Hodge to 15 and, as they did last night, slides into the centres so Banks can come on at FB at the 50 minute mark.

    One thing I will say went well – Simmons. Man was a work horse and actually has some rugby smarts. That kick he did was the right option given the circumstances – yes even if he is a forward – and he executed it very well. His work in the lineout was instrumental.

    One thing we did learn from last time was that it’s ok to jump across the line-out – as Petti did in the previous match. But wait, now it’s not ok? At least they adjusted in-match to the referee on that one.

    Hooper… Take. The. Points.
    TakeThePoints.
    Taaaake Theeee Pooooooints.
    Hashtag HooperTakeThePoints
    Hey there’s points on offer, let’s take them.
    You know, maybe we shouldn’t bash our head against a brick wall until it falls down, maybe we should go over it instead, and…. um, hmmm what else could we do? I know, Take The Points!!!

  • Mike D

    Just remembered the anthem sung in local first nations’ dialect. That was epic. Spine tingling. Absolute gold – and green, and ochre red and brown. I want that more often! Tip of the hat to whomever organised it and made sure it happened. And tip of the hat to all the players showing the respect of learning the words and belting them out. I almost don’t give a damn about the game because of it.

    • onlinesideline

      Dane haylett Petty got it going apparently

  • What a season!! Three draws could each have been victories. Scorecard would have certainly been better with 2/2 v. NZ and 2/0 versus Argentina along with winning the Tri-Nations.
    Dream on I guess. Must commend Argentina though for their spirit and fantastic defence.

    • Alister Smith

      I think we’ll call you the jeweller… very good work finding those silver linings ;)

  • Ian

    What a brain dead cluster f&%k. A lot has already been addressed. However, I was particularly disappointed by the lack of counter-attack by the wallaby backs. I know it was raining but a number of time the argies kicked the ball and we retrieved around our 22 and just kicked it out or mid-field without looking up and seeing that the argie defence was in complete disarray. There were easy metres on offer with possession maintained.

    On Hoops I am OK with him as a player but he is not a captain. Struggling to see an alternative though. We have been so long without a decent one that I have just come to accept the wallabies as a rudderless team. Rennie’s selections continue to baffle me. Persevering with players obviously under-performing and leaving players like Tate McDermott out of the squad is infuriating. Bringing replacements on with minutes left on the clock and expecting them to make an impact is just stupid, and I have had enough of it.

    I am sick of the young squad excuse. The best players in the country are supposedly picked regardless of their age. Experience, well that’s a different matter.

    The cards were a blight on the game. It is meant to be an impact sport. What alternatives are left at the ruck and maul??

  • Lies, Damn Lies and Statistics:
    All Blacks played 6, lost 2;
    Wallabies played 6, lost 2;
    Argentina played 6*, lost 1. (*OK two were against Australia seconds but……..)

    What a season it could have been for us, if those three draws had all been wins. And each could have!!

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