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Wallabies beaten by Boks in Jo’Burg

Wallabies beaten by Boks in Jo’Burg

The Wallabies have kicked off their Rugby Championship campaign with a disappointing 35-17 loss to South Africa in Johannesburg. The Wallabies were in with a chance at 14-10 at half time and should have been in front but for two bombed tries before a poor second half display including a yellow card to Taniela Tupou allowed the Springboks to run away with it with a two try performance from man of the match Herschel Jantjies instrumental in the win.

The Match

The opening ten minutes were like a boxing match with both teams feeling each other out before the Springboks landed the first blow with a try to new scrum half Herschel Jantjies after winger S’busio Nkosi found space down the right wing.

The Springboks rush defence was giving the Wallabies backline little room to move with the forwards having to roll up the sleeves and get stuck in with debutant Isi Naisirani getting heavily involved as they were having to adjust their attacking patterns.

Bernard Foley responded with a penalty goal after 15 minutes and the Wallabies thought they had gone in front after Samu Kerevi found space in the midfield deep in his own half but as he came to the last line of defence, he hesitated in getting the ball away to Lukhan Salakaia-Loto who ran to the try line but was rightly called back for a forward pass.

South Africa went down to 14 men after Andre Esterhuizen copped a yellow card for collecting Tom Banks high but they weren’t deterred and went further in front at 14-3 with Lood de Jager eventually scoring after another good piece of work from Pieter-Steph du Toit and Herschel Jantjies down the left wing as he collected a kick ahead of Dane Haylett-Petty to get them in field position.

The Wallabies hit back just before the 30–minute mark as they were able to take advantage of an offside penalty with the initial plan going to the rolling maul before the backs got involved as the Springboks defense were numbering up on Foley and Kervei to allow the space out wide before Dane Haylett-Petty scored and Foley’s conversion made it 14-10.

Haylett-Petty should have had his second just minutes later and would probably want his time over again as he swooped on a Foley kick through and only had to pick it up and fall over the line but knocked on with no defenders in sight.

They were again handed another golden chance to score before half time with an attacking five-metre scrum off a penalty but a mix up at the back saw Naisirani lose his footing to put Nic White under pressure and he was penalised for holding on to leave it 14-10 at the break with the Wallabies rueing those two bombed tries that would have given them a handy lead in a venue they had not won at in 56 years.

The Wallabies scrum had been pretty good throughout but the replacement of the two props saw two early penalties against them early in the second half. The tactical substitute of Kepu for Tupou and the other injury enforced after James Slipper copped an accidental knee to the head that saw Harry Johnson-Holmes make his debut.

Tupou made his mark but for the wrong reason as he was given a yellow card for a late clean out on Elstadt to round out an interesting week in Johannesburg for him and undo the good work of Rory Arnold who disrupted the Sringboks maul after an earlier penalty with the Wallabies already on the back foot in the second half.

The Springboks went to the scrum with the Wallabies having only seven in the scrum and the weight of possession was too much and Nkosi went over in the right corner and Jantjies conversion made it an 11-point margin.

Things went from bad to worse as the Springboks went further in front with another try to Herschel Jantjies to seal the game after 63 minutes. Haylett-Petty got caught up in a ruck and Jantjies used his awareness and only needed the smallest space down the right wing to claim his second of the match as the margin extended to 17.

There was a rare attacking chance with ten minutes remaining with replacement Kurtley Beale making an impact in finding space right down the middle and got a brilliant offload away to Foley and he converted his own try to make the score line a respectable 28-17.

But the Springboks had one more try in them after the final hooter as replacement scum half Cobus Reinach dived over to claim the bonus point to complete the 18 point win and continue the misery in Johannesburg for the Wallabies.

There was a mixed bag of performances across the board with Samu Kerevi a shining light in a beaten team. Nic White looked good after a four year absence from the Wallaby jersey and the late impact from Kurtley Beale can’t be overlooked ahead of the Argentina Test next week in Brisbane.

There might be a few sweating on the selection panels decision including Dane Haylett-Petty after an uncharacteristically below par game. He did score a try but also bombed one and was caught out for Jantjies’ second try and never really recovered after the bombed try.


The Game Changer

The second half. The Wallabies were in a with a chance at 14-10 at the break but then it all unraveled starting with Tupou’s yellow card as the Springboks added 19 points and held the Wallabies to seven and spending the majority of the half deep in their own end.

The G&GR MOTM

Herschel Jantjies. 2 tries on debut for the scrum half and ran the backline well Elton Jantjies.


The Details

Score & Scorers

AUSTRALIA 17
Tries: Haylett-Petty, Foley
Conversions: Foley 2
Penalties: Foley
SOUTH AFRICA 35
Tries: H Jantjies 2, de Jager, Nkosi, Reinach
Conversions: E Jantjies 5

Cards

20 mins – Esterhuizen (Springboks) – Yellow
54 mins – Tupou (Wallabies) – Yellow

  • Moz

    Just as well it wasn’t a full strength Jarpies team … or else we would have been really shown up!!
    Great write up!

  • Patrick

    The second half made for tough watching – still a lot of work to do. I am really hanging out for Pocock to come back even if Hooper was one of our best. I didn’t think we really got the most out of our centers either.

    And a dedicated winger or two wouldn’t hurt!

    • The centres need to… well run lines like they run in SR rather like Beale used to. And have a 10 who can manage a miss pass.

      Run an old fashioned scissors might also be good, it would play a bit to their strengths, because you’d get the offload game working better…

  • Will

    Good win by the Boks, Herschel had a great game and I think he has a great future ahead.

    Bad things – Not much to say about the wallabies. No urgency at the breakdown, we were dominated in most positions – definitely the forward pack. Arnold and Rodda were missing, our back row tried but you could tell lack of game time together was showing. Foley was targeted at 10 and we had no backup. Our defence was piss poor particularly Herschel’s try down the sideline (wtf was Toomua doing just watching him run around him as the last outside man).

    Good things – Nick White is a contender. loved his energy and kicking game.

    We were missing some big names but in all honesty I don’t think we were ever going to win this. I’ve heard that the team that has won the RC in a RWC year has never won a World Cup so maybe this is a good thing. I’ll just keep telling myself that whilst Cheika is in charge whilst hoping for another RWC miracle. It does appear that for the wallabies, HOPE really is a strategy.

    • laurence king

      I think that Toomua was actually just getting up and while he looked the culprit, DHP was the one at fault.

      • AussieIrish

        They will likely both cringe during the review of that play.

      • Timbo

        Toomua was offside and he knew it. DHP had wrongly attempted to clean out the ruck and was held in by the defender. DHP was at fault. As soon as he touched that ruck he took himself out of the defensive line as the Staffa had every right to bind onto him and hold him in.

        • Keith Butler

          DHP was held by two Saffas after the ruck had ended and had no chance of getting to the SH. Should it have been a penalty to the G&G?

        • laurence king

          I don’t think that he actually needed to get involved and agree that he was held back.

        • Not sure if he’s held back or bound to… he hit the ruck and he was in contact with the SA player. They’re allowed to bind to him. It’s not like they reached out or reached over the top to pull him in. Once the ball is in their scrum half’s hands they should let him go in theory, in practise there’s always a lag there.

          If you look at the shot from in goal, there’s a bunch of Wallabies forwards jogging on the open side of the ruck. They should be running and looping around to get at least one on the blindside so DHP isn’t making the bad decision to join the ruck. DHP is experienced enough he should be looking and saying “the ball is coming back on their side, I’m defending this channel, not joining that ruck.”

          Two wrongs make a try…

    • Brisneyland Local

      hope Is not a mission verb.
      Hope is the realm of beauty products and religion.

      • Geoffro

        and Wallaby supporters.Wondering what has been going on in SA for the last fortnight with these guys apart from breaking bodies.Was painful listening to kearns,gregan and co trying to pull positives out of this one

        • Brisneyland Local

          Nah. to be honest I think most of us Wallabies fans are just bracing for this RWC to be over. A new day, a new dawn, a new hope. POst cheika that is.

        • MalachyBernard

          Perhaps this is the definition of hope for long term Australian rugby:

          1. Wallabies loose every game up to and including the match that throws us out of the RWC

          2. Michael Cheika goes

          3. Rugby Australia loses it’s case with Folau and is sent bankrupt – thow in some serious budget cuts from Foxtel

          4. All the useless people in the setup lose their jobs and the correct ones hired

          5. The rebuilding of Rugby in Australia begins

        • Brisneyland Local

          I think they may be close to the outcome. Hopefully then Twiggy buys the ARU and rebuilds it.

        • MalachyBernard

          I forgot to add – Qantas no longer the lead sponsor.

        • laurence king

          I think that Qantas will run as soon as they can

        • laurence king

          I like to think that Qantas are getting their money’s worth for their intervention in the saga

    • Brumby Runner

      Will, Toomua had just made the tackle that formed the ruck and was in the process of getting up off the ground as Jantjes skipped down the sideline. He (Toomua) would have been in an off side position had he tried to effect a tackle on the halfback.

      The issue here was that DHP elected to leave his position and go into the ruck where he was held in and thus was unable to extricate himself and get back into position.

      • HK Red

        Yeah you could immediately see that by the way he held up his hands, to show he was “out-of-play”

  • laurence king

    I wonder how Cheika will spin this one. It doesn’t look like this side has a clue, selections still a problem and the forward’s coach needs to go. Scrum still a problem and well beaten at the breakdown. Hooper did what he does well but he’s no 7. White, Kerevi, Banks, Beale and Genia were good in the backs. The backline is never going to fire with Foley at 10.

    • Geoffro

      Everybody knew what type of game the Boks were going to bring (they did play as expected)but we still had no answer.The forwards were hesitant,kerevi was played like an extra loosey due Foleys ordinariness ,TK was absent,Banks didnt inject himself and DHP fumbled and bumbled.The Pumas are going to flog us if something miraculous doesnt happen in the next week.

      • Let’s what and see what team we run next week. As usual will everyone be fit till Friday then we have four down with a calf strain or a finger twist! Would love two things. A genuine fit squad and the selectors having the courage to pick it, with players playing in their best position. Interesting that we beat or hold our own against the Boks best team most years then put us against their ‘B’ team and we blow it. I am wondering if Ala Alatoa and Sio were genuinely injured? Certainly hope they are right this week and LLF. Be handy to play a couple of wingers also.

    • HK Red

      Not sure Banks had a good game, his spilled a couple and was positionally caught out on occasion (but we all know that could be down to the stupid Grey defensive systems) and Beale I thought, apart from that one sublime offload, was pretty pedestrian. Also, why does it also seem to be the same culprits, standing on the edge of rucks with their hands in the air trying to tell the Ref how to run the game?? (I’m looking at you Spanners and KB and thankfully he wasn’t there, Phipps)

  • AussieIrish

    The decision making is what hurts. 4 points behind, scrum under pressure, easy kick to close the gap. Take the three or kick to corner. Tupou’s shoulder after the whistle, offloading when not needed instead of going to ground and recycling the ball, the list goes on. Australia have always been known for playing intelligent rugby, but this sure has been missing for a while now. On a positive note, Banks looks solid, White shows intent, and Beale provided a spark.

    • HK Red

      I thought our defence looked like a shambles, especially in the second half. Just bodies everywhere, no distinct line, everyone looked a bit confused.

  • Nicholas Peacock-Smith

    We should have been up 17-14 at halftime but DHP simply couldn’t pick up the ball and put it over the line, that would have been a big boost going into the 2nd half.

    I lost count of how many times Wallabies didn’t just hold the ball and take it into a tackle, who is coaching them to pass the ball to no-one or just flick it away for a bad pass? This is insanity and we cannot maintain possession, not a good sign for next few tests and in a World Cup.

    Kerevi and White were exceptional, White’s desparation and enthusiasm were very good and its nice to have a decent kicking game from our #9. Naisarani looked strong and got over the advantage line most times, not sure why he had to be replaced?

    a try from a forward pass, DHP’s spill and its a whole different game. Typical Wallabies effort in last few years.

    • HK Red

      Also, fair enough that it was given in real-time I guess, but did de Jaeger really ground that ball?? Looked an awful lot like it was resting on a leg.

      • Hoss

        And why was it a Saffa scrum that led to that break ??? Nick White was set to feed the scrum and got told it was a Saffa ball and was filthy. The bok winger knocked it on from a chip kick by us. They get the feed and score 20 seconds later

        • Brumby Runner

          If it’s the incident I think you’re referring to Hoss, then Nic did knock the ball forward into the Saffa winger. Correct decision to give the feed to SA.

        • Brumby Runner

          If it’s the incident I think you’re referring to Hoss, then Nic did knock the ball forward into the Saffa winger. Correct decision to give the feed to SA.

  • Steve

    I joked earlier in the year that Cheika would make these players look like clowns and so it has proved.

    The pack looked ok individually but without a plan in play they were consistently entering contact without any momentum. Where is Laurie Fisher in the national setup?

    The backline was weak where we knew it would be, Hodge and particularly DHP were so poor as was Foley.

    The Wallabies just always look like they’ve never met each other before so it becomes impossible to make an impact on a test-quality defence.

  • Thanks for the fast write up.

    I wanted to write a list of positives. I got as far as Nick White.

    Actually, I’ll add to that, I thought the two new loosies had their moments of looking good, which in a unit this brand new is a positive thing too. There will be plenty saying one or both of them should be replaced though and neither impressed me so much I would violently resist seeing how the other new boys do.

    What depressed me?

    DHP had a night to forget. Beale came on for 10 minutes and looked good when he was fresh and the Boks were tired; I’m terrified someone will use that to shoehorn him into the side. Overall the pack got monstered – who was responsible for blowing up 3 props? Also, as predicted by many, playing a slow back three was a problem. If we can look at it and say “Um, this will be a problem” why can’t the guys getting paid the big bucks?

    • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

      Beale has always been a superb finisher off the bench. The starters just need to keep the game in the balance, which, unfortunately, they couldn’t do lat night.

      • It feels like it’s been an age since he’s been used in that role, rather than with a 12 on his back. I think coming off the pine is the best for him, I’m just worried he’ll be shoved back in at 12 after yesterday.

    • Mart

      another positive was the lineout for most of the match

      • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

        A lot of our wins were not particularly clean though unfortunately. Mind you, up against a strong defensive line out.

        • Who?

          But remember, Falou’s such a terrible lineout thrower. :-P
          .
          We panic over unanalysed things so quickly, and believe everything that RA shoves down our throats…… Yes, it’ll be different this year, the game plan is better! :-(

      • GeorgiaSatellite

        Right, but it was interesting to me that only line-out pinged for ‘not in straight’ was one of ours, while I counted at least 5 for the Boks before that and was wondering what the game the touchies were watching.

        • Who?

          The game where they wanted Esterhuizen not to be carded for the high shot on Banks, but came from the far side of the field to complain about a marginally late legal cleanout by Tupou…

        • Gun

          It was played in SA, one of the countries that ‘own’ the game. The lack of consistency in officiating across all forms of the professional game really threaten its legitimacy in the long run when it’s compared with other professional games/leagues.

        • Gun

          Wanted to also comment on Cully’s article that said Australians appear to only favour games played between Australians and that it was a sign of ou4 self confidence. It was a sideways swipe at our provincialism but Im convinced when you hold the game up to league and ping pong the officiating stands out as poor and complex amongst other things.

        • Mart

          Their line outs were horrendous leg breaks
          And we still pilfered a few

          Marty Askew

      • When I caught your reply in my email my first thought was yes. But having slept on it, I’m not so sure.

        The lineout was solid, granted. Definitely not a negative. But my feeling is that wasn’t doing more than you expect of an international quality lineout. The Pumas, now they stole and disrupted the AB lineout often, albeit not quite at will, and the AB got penalised several times for trying to do the same on the Pumas’ throws. That’s a positive. The Wallabies, solid pass. Against the backdrop of the rest of their performance, it looked better than that perhaps?

        • Mart

          No way Eztbeth and de lager 2 of the best operators going around plus a very crooked throw and we were still grabbing them
          Marty Askew

        • I didn’t see as more than a solid performance but perhaps I need to go back and rewatch the lineouts.

      • UTG

        Yep, lineout was grouse. 91% with two steals. Unlucky to be pinned for not straight after old mate in the red headgear for the Saffas was throwing them at 90 half the night.

        • Who?

          And worth noting the tv coverage basically missed the throw, then showed a replay of Kolisi hugging Herschel Jantjes rather than the throw… So I think they even thought they got lucky.

      • voodoo economics

        Another positive was that we are 1 match closer to not having Cheika coaching the Wallabies.

    • Kiwi rugby lover

      Hey Eloise, I thought Naisarani played well but although the loose forwards are better balanced they aren’t playing as a team yet. Personally I’d give Hooper a rest and put Wright on for the next game to see how he goes.

      Some dumb decisions at times which didn’t help. Foley needs to go but I’ll caveat that with the fact that I don’t think the options in the squad are a lot better. I’d almost bring in Hegarty as I don’t think he’d do worse and could go better

      • RedAnt

        Agree re: Hooper. We were monstered at the breakdown. Hooper needs to go if Pocock isn’t playing, and even then it’s debatable. (Hooper has lots of great qualities so I understand why it’s so hard for the coaches to drop him, but the priority for the team has to be a high level of competitiveness at the breakdown. Everything else is secondary.)

        I can’t believe I’m saying this, but I’d prefer Beale over Foley at 10 in the absence of CLL. Hegarty would be a big risk at this level without any previous exposure.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Yeah but is the risk bigger than the current crap? It might be a step to far but the current crap can’t continue

        • Brumby Runner

          Agree all the way about Hooper.

          The only option at No 10 who Foley is better than, is Beale.

        • Gun

          Boys the Beale trial at 10 was tried and found wanting 5 years ago, 4 years ago, 3 years ago…..

        • RedAnt

          Yeah I know Beale ain’t a great 10 but I think Foley has gotten so poor that Beale is now better! He’s hardly my first choice though, it’s just there is no-one else in the squad. Certainly not Hodge, and probably not JOC.

          The fact there is no viable back-up 10 is in my opinion another massive failure of Cheika’s.

      • I’m thinking of getting an ABF (or should that be ABS) T-shirt. Anyone But Foley (or Spanners). I think Lilo should be the next cab off the rank – he doesn’t need to do much more. The ability to pick out 12 or 13 for example would be nice and bring both centres into play would change things.

        I thought both Naisarani and LSL had their moments. Hooper had too many moments for me when I was looking at a ruck and Hooper standing off it and I was wonder what his role was… I can’t see them dropping him, but I wouldn’t mind it.

        • Brumby Runner

          Right on the money about Hooper. He should not be used as a No 7 if he can’t execute the requirements of the position.

    • HK Red

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  • On a totally different note to the other post, I was curious about scrums (over both matches). We see all these stats like 97% scrum efficiency, but no one explains what it means. So I kept some records of what happened. Because of space (I was using my iPad) and focus (I was watching the match and I can go back and watch it again, just to code the scrums in more detail but not tonight) there are things to think about for next time that I’ll discuss below.

    There were basically the same number of scrums called in general play in both matches (14 vs 13). In the Arg v NZ match, there were 6 resets I recorded but this was mostly 2 scrums from open play that had 3 and 2 resets each, one other scrum was reset, so only 3 of the initial scrums were reset, just lots of times. In the SA v Aus match there were also 6 resets from the original 14 scrums set from general play, but that was 6 different scrums, none were reset more than once. Not sure if that’s a difference in the referee or the sides playing or a bit of both.

    The outcomes were quite different too.

    In Arg vs NZ there were 11 clean wins (85%), 1 FK for an early push, and 1 PK to the side not putting in (the only ‘win against the head’ in both matches) for hands in the scrum. All the clean wins had the front rows up.

    For SA vs Aus there were 7 clean wins (50%), 6 with the front row up and 1 with the front rows down. There were 4 PKs (29%) all to the side putting the ball in. There were 3 “dirty wins” (more on that below), (21%), 2 with the front rows up and 1 with the front row down. So there were 2 wins with the front rows down, more penalties, and more dirty wins.

    Again I’m not sure WHAT this tells us, but there clearly was a difference. It could be the pitch, the referee, the teams or a combination of all of these. It’s worth noting that although the n00b AB front row (well their hooker) had issues in the line out, their front row handled the Pumas scrum just fine. It might not be the monster it was a few years ago, but it’s not a wimp either.

    I defined a clean win as a win where there’s a pick up from the base (8 or 9) and the player that picks it up either: carries and crosses the line through the middle of the tunnel where the scrum-half in theory puts the ball in, kicks the ball from the base cleanly so it goes more than 10m (and thus doesn’t leave the forwards offside) or passes to another player on their side. It’s a dirty win if it’s not a clean win – they pick the ball up and get tackled behind the gain line, the kick is charged or short, or they try to pass and it’s intercepted, they try to pick the ball up and knock on or similar. We had variations on 8 and 9 pick up and run/pass, no kicks or knocks-on. The dirty wins were all tackles behind the gain line.

    I could code these as a number of different successful scrum outcomes 8 pick up, 9 pick up, run, pass, kick, etc. but with the numbers we’ve got, I’m not sure what benefit we’d get over two matches. (It would be different across a SR season.) I also didn’t code by team, which again could be more valuable over a season. I did notice, although not record, the AB were the only side to force a PK to win a kick “against the head” and the only side to concede a FK. If we see that pattern across all the matches of TRC it probably says something about their forwards. But I’m not planning to record it unless I get really bored.

    What surprised me was 44% of scrums were reset or, if you prefer, of the 27 times the refs called scrum in general play over the 2 matches, we had 39 scrums. I kind of expected it to be more. The pattern of 6 of 14 having resets we saw in the first match felt like the right frequency, but they were all single resets. The pattern of some scrums having 2 or 3 resets we saw in the second match felt normal, but we only had 3 scrums get any resets. I’d have expected something more like 50 total scrums for the 27 scrums from general play I think. But perhaps this weekend was unusual.

    • AussieIrish

      Great analysis Eloise. My deep and detailed version is that nobody, including the officials, have a clue what’s going on and therefore how to ref it. Hope they sort it through as there are too many resets.

      • Timbo

        Angus Gardiner was just as clueless awarding a scrum to the ABs for a collapse maul in the Pumas match this morning.

        • Bobas

          I don’t know the maul you’re talking about. But if a maul is formed from receiving a kick I think the ball stays with the attacking team.

        • Timbo

          It was in extra time. Pumas had an attacking line out 5m out from the try line. It’s in the highlights on yt

        • Who?

          What’s the complaint? Didn’t look to be taken down by the ABs… He certainly didn’t warn anyone, no communication indicating anything other than a ‘natural’ end to the maul (i.e. the ball wasn’t going forward or coming out, the ball carrier caught by the opposition).

        • Timbo

          Retalick didn’t come through the middle and was at the back of the maul disrupting the pumas ball. I guess it’s interpretation of the law but he was on the argies side of the maul without going through the middle. That’s offside in my opinion

        • I think that’s the right call. No clear signs of legs being lifted or similar and if anything the AB were driving the Pumas slightly backwards which makes it hard for them to lie down and trip the Pumas.

          Mauls can end up in a pile like that, particularly when they don’t go anywhere, it’s why the laws have a scrum as an outcome if the ball doesn’t emerge.

        • Timbo

          Not sure. Retalick is offside at the maul and interfering then the ab come from the side to collapse it

        • That’s not what I saw but we didn’t get a great close up of it here.

        • Timbo

          Have a look at the last play in the highlights. Retalick in 4 comes around the maul and flops on the wrong side sealing off the argies ball.

      • I didn’t really analyse why they were reset – but none of them looked egregious in the moment. It wasn’t a case of the scrums not being stable, or the ref wanting a chat.

        I’d love to see fewer resets, but there needs to be a complete overhaul of the scrum for that I think. One thing I think they could do is rewrite the engage sequence, and have props on both sides put their non-binding arms on the ground. Front rows lean together, tight heads bind, loose heads bind, scrum half puts in. There’s a lot less pressure and confrontation in the phase before the scrum officially starts, the binds get made properly (you can even check they’re all set right if you really want to), and, in theory, there’s no messing around with a side not taking the hit, pushing too soon and so on. No farting around with a prop missing their bind either, they get time to make it properly. The contest is kept to the bit where it’s meant to be – after the feed.

        Can’t see it happening though.

    • Brisneyland Local

      Elooise, can we hire you as an analyst for the Wallabies?

      • Sure. You get to be head-coach, I’ll sign up as analyst.

        • Brisneyland Local

          I am sure I cant do worse than the Cheikmeister!

        • You’re selling yourself far too short. My (dead these many years) grannie couldn’t do a worse job than the Cheikmeister. And she hated rugby.

          With your years of love of the game, you could do a far superior job I’m sure.

        • Brisneyland Local

          Thanks for the vote of confidence.

    • juswal

      Clean wins cf. dirty wins at the set piece. Eloise, this could be your Nobel moment.

      • Sevenwithasixonmyback

        Yep. Really like that interpretation.
        A great scrutiny of scrummaging.
        Imagine the observations if EP does get really bored…

        • Scrums are a nice easy one, they’re a discrete unit, and there aren’t too many of them.

          And I always wondered exactly what that success rate we see quoted actually meant… so I decided to do something about finding out what a fairly rudimentary scrum analysis looked like.

      • Gee, thanks.

    • HK Red

      Is it just me or does Tupou look like he’s suffering without the assistance of a decent technical scrum coach? Raiwaliu doesn’t seem up to the job and there’s no-one at the Reds that looks to be providing guidance. Last proper scrum coach he had was likely Styles.

      • I really wasn’t watching that tbh. I don’t think the Wobs scrum had a great day, doesn’t matter which props and hooker you look at. It didn’t seem that was particularly down to Tupou to me but I wasn’t watching him closely, I was waiting to see what happened to the ball, or the refs arm.

        I think he’s more guilty of brain fades around the park. That yellow card – that video that World Rugby released really only clarified the situation but he charged with the shoulder, no attempt to bind, straight into the chest. After the whistle was the icing on the cake really. That’s been yellow for a while, despite what I read Kearns has said. In the UK we only had one replay of the Bok centre he hit joining the ruck – I thought there was a case for him being carded too, the officials on the ground said his contact was legal because he bound to the ruck correctly first. With one replay angle I can’t say they’re wrong.

        But that sort of thing isn’t normally down to a scrummaging coach, it’s more down to a good team attitude and the senior players. That would be both at the Reds and in the Wobs. I suspect he’s being coached for maximum aggression, and it will give you brain farts like that.

      • idiot savant

        Tupou is coached by Cameron Lillicrap, amongst the finest scrum coaches in Australia.

        • Who?

          His record as a scrum coach isn’t a patch on Stiles…

        • HK Red

          Well it’s good to know that someone is looking after him, but he has certainly plateaued or is being worked out, which must be frustrating seeing as it’s something that he declared very important to himself for his overall development.

  • Brisneyland Local

    Well good morning GAGR’s. So much for a new era of positivity. Guess what? It is not a new era it is still the era of the “Ass Clown” and it was again on display last night. That was so not worth getting up for. Here we go:
    – Congratulations to the Saffa’s, they played good game and purely wanted it more. B Team my ass. If that was their B team then thank god we didn’t face their A’s! Their line speed was fantastic.
    – Cheika is not a tactics man or a game plan man. Whilst he is at the helm we will continue to see this.
    – The DDF’s had more errors, more penalties, less possession and less territory and yet still won convincingly. Why? We cant score! Our attack is utter farking shite. So not having a proper attack coach is going to be the proper strategy for us. We hire a guy who is there purely to be a mentor and an encouraging individual to deliver what is Cheikmeister’s plan. But it is still a shit plan and it still doesn’t work.
    – Our defence yet again was utter farking shite. We got monstered up front. The number of players who were just run over the top of. Yes Spanners I am looking at you!
    – Foley is not a 10. He can not orchestrate an attack. He can not get Kerevi into a positions where he can run through. Just appalling. Throwing one out passes to people in traffic is never going to achieve anything. Bring CLL into the squad immediately and get QC back immediately too.
    – They yellow card for Tupou didn’t cost us the game. Our shit game plan did. The Saffa’s had a yellow card too. They managed their game plan better than we did. We were shit at defending when we had 15 on, so of course we were going to suck with only 14.
    – DHP had a game he would rather forget. The game review for him will not be pleasant.
    – Our scrum had a hard night, and when our benchies came on we struggled. Having Tupou in the bin didn’t help us because it bought a knackered Kepu back on who struggled to produce bugger all when he was fresh. HJH struggled and was shown up. We need 7 A’s and SS back asap.
    – Positives. Nic White was good. Kerevi is a monster and made yards and lots of them even in contact. Imagine if we had a 10 that could get him some clean air. Foley has to go. Genia looked pretty good when he came on. Beale looked good and coming off the bench with 15-20 to run is the correct position for him.
    – BTW the Goat curry was bloody good too!
    Wow that was bad to watch. Will now watch the Kiwi vs FISM game to see what kind of horrors await us.
    Over to you GAGR’s.

    • Steve

      Can’t complain with any of that BL.

      The attack was shocking huh…a lot of passes being thrown without any forward momentum being generated. If you aren’t going forward and you aren’t moving their line laterally either (forcing the players to shift that might create an angle to exploit) then you aren’t doing much.

      It feels like Cheik is most interested in giving his old mate from Randwick some free holidays – Berne has neither the experience nor the skill to do the job.

      Similarly in contact, no strategy so players entering cleanouts and contact with no forwards momentum with predictable results.

      Just shocking.

      • Brisneyland Local

        Yep. And knowing Cheika he wont ammend it. It will be about executing with more vigour. Train harder. Blah Blah Blah. It is like a borken record.

        • Timbo

          It is a broken record. I was always on Cheikas side and really wanted him and the team to do well up until happenings of earlier this year.
          Now I want him, the pirate, Clown Clyne and the rest of them at the unemployment line…

          Is that too harsh?

        • laurence king

          Entirely appropriate I would think

        • Brisneyland Local

          God no! Puts you in good stead on this site!

        • Yowie
      • laurence king

        The coaching of the forwards leaves a lot to be desired, I wonder what is going on there.

    • Custard Taht

      In previous years, the Wallabies catch phrase has been intent, I see this year, it is going to be World Class.

      I heard Hooper refer to the Wallabies attack in the 1st half as being World Class. I am not sure scoring 10 points in a half when the opposition was down to 14 for 10mins, is an example of world class.

      • Brisneyland Local

        There was nothing world class in last nights performance.

        • Sevenwithasixonmyback

          We was pants-ed.
          A world class pantsing.

        • Brisneyland Local

          Six of the best, trousers down, old school style.

        • Parker

          World class self delusion and denial.

    • Keith Butler

      Hate to admit it but binged out on three MIB movies to keep me awake before the game but dropped offand missed it. That’s retirement for you. Will watch the highlights at midday before commenting but from the comments here, it doesn’t look promising. On a more positive note the kangaroo rogan josh has been standing overnight taking in all the flavours and will be consumed with a fine Tassie red this evening.

      • Brisneyland Local

        I am hungry already!

        • Timbo

          We should have a GAGR cooking area. Mine will be a slow cooked lamb shoulder with lashings of garlic, rosemary and red wine. Probably a McLaren Vale Shiraz.

        • Keith Butler

          GAGRs Master Chef comp.

        • Brisneyland Local

          I second the motion! To be honest am almost ore interested in the eating and drinking now days then the ruggers. As it is shit!

        • Timbo

          The similarities are stark. With eating and drinking, you’re assured of shit (age dependant of course) and the same can be said of the wallabies.
          These similarities go out the window however when you add Rat Pack cheese to the menu as KRL can attest to.

        • Brisneyland Local

          Yep rat pack cheese and Bunghole. I remember not long after first joining the army going out field for 14 days. Didnt do a shit in the first 8.

        • Sevenwithasixonmyback

          Saving that waxed sheet of crap wrap in the ration pack for special???

        • Brisneyland Local

          That is why there were 5 sheets of date paper in the Rat Pack. 2 up, 2 down, and one for a shiner!

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Rat pack cheese. Turning clogged plumbing into flowing rivers since forever

        • Keith Butler

          Next weekend, slow cooked Wallaby wash down with Argentine red.

        • Brisneyland Local

          They do make lovely reds!

        • Sevenwithasixonmyback

          And they do love their meats.
          Wallaby flash grilled (rare) over charcoal, a luscious parsnip puree and a Bordelaise or Bercy sauce…
          A nice Argy malbec with the Bordelaise, or a local (Brissy) Stanthorpe sylvaner with the Bercy option.
          A side of beans and a crusty loaf.
          What footy?

        • Brisneyland Local

          Now you are talking my language.

        • Timbo

          And a few of them can be picked up from Aldi of all places. Ive had South American Malbecs and Tempranillos that are eminently quaffable from Aldi.

        • Brisneyland Local

          Unfortunately in QLD Aldi isnt allowed to sell booze.

        • Timbo

          This is a national embarrassment. More so than the wallabies. How are you banana benders supposed to drown your sorrows with that cats piss Xxxx? Down here in the capital Bubble, French lager, Loire Valley Sav Blanc, malbec, chianti and tempranillo can all be had for less than a tenner. I worry for our country

        • laurence king

          Actually slow cooked some Tassie wallaby with bacon, garlic and rosemary and made pies. And from memory it was washed down with a nice red.

        • Brisneyland Local

          Bay of fires Pinot noir!

        • laurence king

          Little further south, Great Oyster Bay, Craigie Noe. Can’t remember the type, truth to tell I only looked at the colour

        • Keith Butler

          Wildfire Pinot Noir with the kangaroo. Profits go to Tassie volunteer firefighters. A cause close to our hearts as both of fathers were firemen.

        • Brisneyland Local

          You must bring one up when you come up this week old boy! Would be happy to give it a try.

        • Timbo

          Dropone off in canberra too please haha. I can recommend some local syrahs, Hill tops noirs and Gundagai nebiolo.

        • Keith Butler

          Found the recipe and added to my list of things to cook.

        • laurence king

          Wrap the bacon around the wallaby makes a great roast as well, even good the next day

    • Brumby Runner

      Only one little objection BL.

      Genia was not good when he came on, he was his usual “don’t involve me in the ruck” self. Had no interest at all in trying to secure loose ball at the back of the ruck. Luckily, the Saffa who came through to pick the ball up in front of Will’s feet actually knocked on. Will is past it, I’m afraid. Time for him to go.

      • Hoss

        Concur

      • HK Red

        He’s always been like that though, more concerned about looking around himself or talking to the ref about Law interpretation, he’s never been the sort of bloke that will just dive on a loose ball at the back of the ruck. To be fair, quite a few Wob halfbacks like that.

      • Brisneyland Local

        You are probably right there. This is his last hoorah!

      • Who?

        I’ve said before, if coaches had an issue with it, they’d hook him. They don’t. I’ve seen games where he’s done that at 20 minutes, and he’s still played 65. And when he goes in, he generally has no impact anyway.

        • Brumby Runner

          Can’t honestly say I’ve ever seen him go into a ruck Who?. I can remember screaming at him to get the fucking ball from the very beginning of his test career. In the past, his upside has outweighed his downside but no longer. Time for him to hang up the boots.

        • Who?

          I think I saw him attempt to clean someone out twice in the last 12 months, gotta say, my 7 year old daughter would’ve made more impact! :-) In fact, Will’s 4 year old daughter might’ve made more impact! :-D
          Got a vague recollection it might’ve been against a Bok replacement forward last year, had no impact, the bloke completed the turnover, was quite hilarious how completely unaffected he was by Genia’s attention. Will gives his all to make tackles, but he’s never going to be able to shift a big bloke off the ball. I wouldn’t blame White, or Phipps, or Powell or any of the other guys in the same situation – ultimately, it’s not their job to shift blokes who are literally 50% bigger than themselves.
          Speaking of that situation, it’s crazy how many times last night our forwards decided to go one out running, not recognising they had no support for the breakdown…

        • Brumby Runner

          In the same situation, Joe Powell is more than eager to join the ruck and get over the ball until someone else can get there and get it away.

          I suspect both White and Phipps would do the same.

        • Who?

          The trouble is, to protect that ball, they’ve got to get under the arriving player. They can’t shift the player from above. Which means they’ve got to make the decision early. If they panic and do that, they’re effectively removing themselves from the next 1.5 phases, and they’d also give up a lot of quick ball.
          And if they get under that player, then a decent ref will immediately ping them for sealing off (as Williams should’ve done a few times on the weekend – the worst example, Etzebeth had both hands on the ground, bum in the air, and when challenged by a Wallaby, he looked down and all but stuck his head and shoulders on the deck to prevent a contest – a textbook case of sealing off).

    • Dally M

      How is it a whinge about the officiating when all he did was answer a reporters question, and say he thought the Toupou sin bin was the wrong call? That’s a pretty tame diplomatic response from him

      • Brisneyland Local

        Tame by his usual standards but common for him to blame the decision. Both teams got a yellow. It only impacted one side. The game plan was to blame not the decision.

        • Dally M

          I disagree.

          He didn’t blame the ref and i haven’t heard anyone else do so either. The Toupou yellow card was a contentious decision unlike the Bok one which was pretty clear cut, so the press were obviously going to ask about it. What else was he supposed to do if not answer the question?

      • Hannes En Brianda Barnard

        The classy replay from a coach that keep his team accountable for results would have been: “The clean-out was after the whistle and therefore attracted unwanted attention. What is more important for me how we respond to a YC. I expect the 14 that is left in the field to lift their game, control possession and dictate the pace. However we allowed the Boks to score 17 points – that is not good enough. Great teams lift when they are faced with adversity .. we did not. There is no point to look for excuses, I expect better discipline that we do expose ourselves to these decisions that we cannot control and a much better response from the team when we find ourselves in these scenarios”. Very poor response from an experienced coach that is out of his depth.

    • Yowie

      - Cheika is not a tactics man or a game plan man. Whilst he is at the helm we will continue to see this. And yet another whinge about the officiating in a press conference. Embarrassing.

      If you right-click and “save as” these comments, it will save re-typing them after every Wallabies game until we’re out of the world cup.

      • Brisneyland Local

        You have learnt my secret! That and Ass Clown are saved for constant recycle.

      • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

        I for one cannot wait for that day.

    • Keith Butler

      Two minds about the Tupou card. The Saffa 8 had a little dig which Tupou may have seen and responded to in kind. Pity it was after the ref blew up. Maybe just a penalty.

      • Brisneyland Local

        Look I think it was late, I dont think it was a shoulder as his arms were extended. But it was late , uneeded and pretty stupid. With RWC loming, I think the Refs are going to be cracking down on stupid shit.

        • Brumby Runner

          Agree. I think it was stupid and a YC was correct. It will be worse in a short time if he (and the coaching staff) doesn’t do something to correct it.

          I also think the Saffa player in question actually went into the ruck without using his arms to bind, but not sure that he might have landed on one of his own players.

        • Who?

          Two questions.
          – If there were no whistle, is it a penalty? I say no…
          – When the whistle blew, was it possible for Tupou to bail out? I say no – I’ve watched it several times, he was shoulders down, on his last step into the contact zone.
          So, if I were reffing, I’d have warned him, but no penalty. Certainly no YC.

        • UTG

          I suspect BR would have a different opinion if it had been AAA not Tupou binned.

          Anyhow, it should have been a YC to Elstadt. He came in with a no arm, grub shot on Rodda. Tupou brought swift justice with a copybook clean-out which he was committed to when the whistle blew, so under the laws it is completely legal. Williams, as we’ve seen before, shits the bed anytime there’s a big collision and makes up any old tripe to justify a card. Who could forget him trying to justify a Tupou YC in the Reds vs Brumbies match by saying his tackle “was close to being high”? Guy’s completely out of his depth, no idea how he is going to the World Cup.

        • Brumby Runner

          Nice dig Gutsy. Truth is we’ll never know because Ala’alatoa doesn’t do the stupid, immature stuff that Tupou does. My comment is more to the point that he will get a name for himself the way he is going and YCs will soon turn to red if he continues. Of course, once we get you out there with the whistle, all will be good.

        • UTG

          No AAA doesn’t but then again I wouldn’t classify a legal clean out as stupid nor immature. I’d be disappointed if Tupou got a name for himself off the back of the last two YC he’s received from Williams which have been complete junk. Absolutely, agree with your assessment of my potential refereeing skill.

        • Brisneyland Local

          I wasnt sure who the Saffa connected with. I like you thought it was actually friendly fire.

    • Tim

      Agreed with many of your points. The thing that annoys me is that the tahs had one of the worst scrums in super rugby second to the sunwolves. Yet we have two front rowers in the 23? I understand injuries to some of the brumbies but over looking the reds front row who are better is just stupid.

      • Brisneyland Local

        Yep agree. Even the Rebels scrum beat the Tah’s scrum.

    • Who?

      Good point on HJH. First scrum, left elbow down, straight to ground. Exactly as Nutta and myself have called it all year. Fix that and he might be a good one (hard to make a call off his around the park efforts – rough night), but until he fixes that, he can go back to the pub.
      .
      The scrum had a rough night, but when we had both Uelese and Tupou, we monstered the Bok scrum. Shame that Uelese was gone so quickly… Hope he and Slips are ok.
      .
      White was excellent. Kerevi was running sideways under Cheika’s game plan – further proof that Cheika’s an idiot. Beale should’ve replaced DHP, not Banks, who was very solid.

      • Brisneyland Local

        100 % agree.
        We just need a 10 now.

      • Agree on DHP/Banks. Couldn’t believe on who was being hooked.

        I thought HJH got better after a rough first scrum. Add to the fact he’s really 5+ years too young for an international prop and I don’t think he had a bad night overall. Just a shame his first scrum was bang, hinging, penalty.

        • Brumby Runner

          HJH at this stage reminds me of Kitsoff when he first made the SA test side. Loads of potential but beaten up by wily older experienced props in the scrum.

          Hopefully HJH comes on as good as Kitsoff has.

        • Yes, I’d kind of forgotten how raw Kitshoff used to be. Here’s hoping HJH improves to be anywhere near that good!

    • Well the Pumas looked good. Their defence is pretty bloody solid, their offence creates chances galore, and when they click they’ll start finishing them – or when they’re against a less committed defensive unit.

      It’s hard to tell about the AB. They always look out of sorts in their first game. Add to that they’re missing a truck load of first choice players and they’re going to get better. All their new players got a run, got a taste of playing in a real cauldron. They didn’t all step up and cover themselves in glory but they played in a really tense match they could have lost and they came through. Hansen might have heaved a sigh of relief last night, but today I think he’ll be pretty happy. It was fugly, but the work-ons are about getting used to each other and being in match conditions, that will come with time. He’s gambled, a bit, like Erasmus, and knows he’s got some third or fourth choice players who can step up if needed.

      • Brisneyland Local

        Hansen used the opportunity to blood new players. That will pay dividends through out the world cup.
        I am not very confident at all about next weekend. I have watched the game now (Nearlies vs FISM) and I love the Los Pumas defence. We will not penetrate that with an attack cordinated by Spanners.

        • I agree about Hansen. He’s using this competition to blood new players, with a view to Japan, but they did have that first game rust too.

          I think Los Pumas are going to be really tough to beat for everyone… and we won’t do it with Foley, not sure if we will with Lilo. KRL suggested trying Hegarty since the Cheikmeister won’t pick Quade. Any of those three for me… got to try someone different at 10. Not sure it will make a difference though, there are deeper issues with the attack plan – it needs to be built around the players on the field.

        • Keith Butler

          Could be a pool of death again for us SDs. Argentina will be a real handful and who knows what French team will turn up.

        • I will think of you if the English lose in the pool stages again. Can’t promise to shed more than a cackle of laughter though!

        • Keith Butler

          Cheers Eloise. Being a dual citizen i’ll be cheering for the G&G when they take on the Welsh in the pool game. If the SDs do make it out of the pool stage my allegiance will be very clear.

    • Kiwi rugby lover

      DDF’s?

      • Who?

        Believe it’s a Hossism – Dutch Dirt Farmers.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Gotcha! Man I need a on-line dictionary for half of these

      • Brisneyland Local

        Dutch Dirt Farmers!

    • NSWelsham in London

      one more glaring emission is the fact that yes, we may finally have had a “traditional balanced back row” but if no one is going to try and fetch the ball then whats the point. Not once did we look like we were going to steal a breakdown which became evident when the boks stopped overloading the breakdown and provided more numbers out wide. We need a pilferer and if he isn’t going to play one in the backrow, then forgive me for saying it as i hate to have this Muppet representing our country but Latu needs to play….

      • Brisneyland Local

        I would bring back a real 7. Liam F’in Gill

  • Hoss

    Well that blew chunks.

    Some observations if I may:

    – Sauce – you suck. Scores one, bombed one that my 98 yo grandmother in an electric scooter and with oxygen tanks could score. Let two be scored directly through your errors and dropped 3 balls. Overall contribution minus 2 tries. Well played
    – Can some one tell Arnold to wear his Ponies jersey under the gold one then he might play like he does at Brumbies
    – Rodda, he must have overslept and stayed at the hotel, he sure-as-shit wasn’t spotted at the ground
    – TK, TK – has anyone seen TK?
    – Lee Magors, just a tip, but when the Gilbert sails between the stick from a penalty it’s worth 3 points AND you get the ball back !!
    – Methuselah, I have priced some rather attractive packages at nursing homes – could you and Segall call me to discuss.
    – The Abattoir – that guy didn’t steal your phone ok, so maybe apply the same type of force to your scrummaging and hit-ups instead, ok ?
    -Palestine first catch, then pass, oh yes, our team wears gold, best to pass to them instead

    On the plus side:

    – Mr White, welcome back
    – Naisarani, some nice moments, more needed
    – Bastards looked calm and assured
    – Gilbert reinforced he is bench material and looked sharpe over 20 minutes
    – Slipper looked good

    Overall a 5.5 from 10 and with two bombed tries and a Wallabies, South African born winger / sleeper cell working against us could have been a 7.5 and tight win. Oh and a referee
    Completely out of his depth – yay. Anyone else also more we have Ben Fucking Okeefe as ref for our first RWC game – get the lube ready.

    Frustrated – yes,
    Angry – somewhat.

    Prepared to throw the toys out the cot – nope.

    There were signs of life, don’t pull the plug just yet.

    • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

      Aint TK’s fault. I feared this would be the case as soon as I saw that Lilo was injured. The reality is that Kerevi, for all his good attributes, is a good more likely to go into contact and get an offload away than to draw and pass.

      I think that’s fine, but part of the problem is that Foley (and I hate always bagging the guy) is just so predictable – always firing his pass to the first man outside of him. Couple this with a strong rush defence, and the ball never gets out to the 13. I thought he had a good night in defence though.

      First try was scored as I though Hodge totally fucked up how to defend an overlap by taking the inside man leaving Slipper with way too much ground to cover; and the second was scored down the blindside away from him.

      If we fix the scrum (which will happen if Cheika stops injuring our props) I think a lot of our problems will disappear.

      But we still need a proper winger in the team. Where is Speight?!

      • Hoss

        Agree and disagree. Agree with TK – absolutely spot on with your comments. I thought after using. SK so effectively in H1, I thought they would use him more as a decoy in H2 to release TK – but.

        I think Chek is copping it unfairly re injuries leading up to this test. 7A’s was carrying an injury from SR, so too The SS, likewise Lilo. Robertson was the only ‘fresh’ injury. In the interest of balance everyone needs to take a breath. One injured player from a training squad of 39. Let’s get a grip here, that equates too 2.56%. Hardly a pandemic.

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          Maybe. But if a player is injured, do you put them through full contact high-intensity training sessions?

          Sio and Alaalatoa got through virtually the entire super rugby season, and were capable of playing at the end of the season. However, after the season ended and they both had the chance to recover for several weeks, the injuries worsened and now they were unable to play.

          This continues a worrying trend in Cheika’s training sessions. He keeps injuring players in them. Meanwhile, it happens super rarely in sessions with guys like Schmidt.

        • Hoss

          I don’t know that the injuries worsened? Isn’t it appropriate management to rest them now, given a potential 11 test run – given they are guaranteed frontline props? I mean, what’s the alternative – play them with niggling injuries that get aggravated and then what – gonski for the rest of the year. I am all for Chek bashing when appropriate, but I think everyone needs to holster their shooters on this one.

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          Yeah look that’s a fair point. I’d be more inclined to agree, however, if Cheika didn’t have such a history injuring players in training.

          There’s the additional fact that I’ve heard from former Leinster players under Cheika, that he not only didn’t believe in sports science, but had a sort of contempt for it, and would push players as hard as possible in training regardless of what the sports scientists said was safe. That’s inevitably going to lead to a huge number of injuries.

        • Brumby Runner

          Hoss, I think you are practically one out on this. Ala’alatoa played more super rugby than I think anyone else this year and was consistently the best THP in the competition. No real evidence there that he was injured prior to the training paddock with the Wallabies.

          Similarly, Sio had come back successfully from injury with the Brumbies. There was no mail before the squad went to SA that either was carrying injury. What evidence do you have to support your contention of the complete innocence of Cheika the wrecker?

        • Hoss

          And happy to be. As Mark Twain pondered – ‘whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority it’s time to pause and reflect’

        • Keith Butler

          An interesting point DBTB. I read an article a few years ago about players in the Premiership in the UK being given pain killing injections before games. Just wondering.

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          Wouldn’t support that either, would likely worsen the injury longterm!

        • Keith Butler

          Definitely not support that but they were using injections so that they could play with niggling injuries and get through games whilst seemingly disregarding the long term effects. Bugger player safety, it was all about money imo.

        • Who?

          They didn’t use Kerevi effectively at all in the first half. They had him running Beale’s sideways line at 12. He only looked dangerous in general play after Beale came on (and that was arguably more about Toomua).

      • Who?

        Not just Kerevi’s fault, mate. There was one good opportunity in the first half where TK was too flat on Kerevi – Kerevi would’ve gotten an offload away and TK would’ve had a good run towards the line, but TK was a bit flat, overran the offload, then had to come back and clean out. But that’s ok – that’s a combination thing, which comes with time.
        .
        The bigger issue is the complete fool who decided that the correct game plan was to have Kerevi running sideways at 12 like Beale for the entire first 60 minutes!!! We had two BIG crashballing centres, both of whom can get away an offload, can set up their outside men, and yet we ran sideways!!! Even with the Bokke line speed, Foley’s still trying to throw passes to the man across the face of the defender who’s charged 3m past him and is blocking the channel to the outside runner! He should’ve been running into that hole, drawing the receiver forward and throwing the pass behind the defender. But he’s not that smart. He just followed the game plan, and our attacking game plan didn’t suit the team selected.
        .
        Then Banks is yanked for Beale. The only consistent performer in our back three. Hodge did nothing. DHP was rocks and diamonds (a try, a couple of great takes, a bombed try, massive defensive errors), Banks could’ve moved to 14 with Beale at 15… Just watch – Foley’s try will see him and Beale lauded, and Beale back in the starting team in Brisbane. Over Banks. Even though the try was created by Toomua rolling (arguably illegally – I’ve complained about Kiwis doing it all Super season) out of the breakdown, giving Genia quick ball behind the Defensive line.
        .
        Sometimes I wonder why I watch the game…

        • Brumby Runner

          Banks definitely should not have been replaced, but moved to the wing when Beale came on. Similarly. Naivalu should not have been freplaced for Dempsey tocome on. In the back row, actually Hooper should have been the one taken off. He had minimal impact in the game, none at all at the breakdown which is No 7’s bread and butter, and in any case Dempsey, woeful as he was, is a much more like for like replacement for Hooper than for either of LSL or Naisarani.

        • Who?

          Only spot I disagree is your typo – Naisarani instead of Naivalu. :-)

        • From NooZealand

          Hope my friend, hope that this time things have changed for the better.

        • Who?

          There’s always hope, but the hope is based in a distant future. Not the present. I have no hope that we’ll use the talent we have on the field effectively. Seriously – I can’t imagine any Kiwi coach who’d have taken Nonu in his pomp and said, “When you get the ball, run directly sideways, fixing precisely no one, and transfer as much pressure as you can when you throw passes as the defence arrives.” And it’s not like Thorn did that with Kerevi all year.
          .
          Hope is that we lose Cheika after we bomb out of the RWC, and somehow a new coach and new talent arrive. But in the meantime, it’s an example of self loathing for me to watch these games… Because the outcomes are far too pessimistically predictable.
          .
          So much optimism on here on Friday. I didn’t join in, because I was pretty clear that I had no faith in the coaching staff. And I was clear that retaining existing talent wasn’t important when the game plans were changing. One game isn’t enough to know much about the defence, but 60 minutes of watching Kerevi run sideways on set plays, that’s enough to drive anyone insane.

        • From NooZealand

          Agree, hope is to be found in the future, whether distant or immediate. Reading your comment I found a deep sense of loss after having watched a game (a narrative) that you (somehow) hoped it would have a different ending; but there was no”light at the end of the tunnel”. No hiding that I support the “Darkness”, but I am sincerely (and I would dare to say that there are other kiwis) hopeful to see a strong and competitive Wallabies.
          I thank you for your reply, its content. It is like opening your Wallabies rugby soul to a distant brother. Greetings WHO?

        • Who?

          I didn’t mean my post like that. There wasn’t a deep sense of loss after the game – the margin was a little wider than I expected, but the result wasn’t a surprise. I just look at the game in Australia and think that it’s the proverbial definition of insanity. Yet people (generally not me) somehow think that the same chef attempting to cook a soufflé with steak and eggs and a microwave will come up with a good result. I go in hoping to be proven wrong, then end up frustrated to have my expectations met. :-(
          My reply is resignation to continued failure… At least the ABs and NH teams look set to provide a quality RWC this year.

    • laurence king

      Veni, vidi, titubo. We came, we saw, we wabbled

    • disqus_NMX

      True, if a player plays well from the bench, then obviously he is a great bench player, and should stay there. The only reason to move a bench player to the run on side, is if he plays shit, as obviously he is a better starter than bench player.

      Beale to FB, Banks to wing, DHP to bench or training paddock to find some form.

      Not that it matters. I’m neither surprised nor angry nor anything really. We still have Clown as coach, and nothing will change until we don’t, it doesn’t matter which players you shuffle in or out or shake about. Yet another loss to Clown’s tally.

    • HK Red

      Another observation, it showed great intent and enthusiasm, but why wait until after the bell when you’re 16 points down, to come tearing off the line to charge down a conversion???? Fcking pointless. May as well have just stood in a circle and tried to figure out what went wrong, or just respectfully stand there and watch the bloke take the kick. The mind boggles.

      • Geoffro

        Trying to show everyone they hadn’t given up ?? Never thought they gave up at any stage just that they were inept.Says something that they had the energy left for that rubbish at the end of the game though.

    • Andy

      I think expectations need to be moderated considerably. This team will be doing well by getting to the quarter finals. A bit like the cricket, we need to look at the context.

      * We are effectively starting from scratch again with 5 games to go.
      * there are very few combinations from our Super rugby teams to select from due to their very limited success.
      * Coaching wise we are in a really bad position. 5 games out we don’t really have an attack coach or a philosophy that has been implemented over the past few years. Again, starting from scratch.
      * our most effective coach (Ledesma) left for the opposition last year. The replacement doesn’t appear to be close to international standard.
      * Culture is based on losing badly or when you shouldn’t lose at all.
      * Defensively this team has been appalling for a few years. This is the most important thing to get right in world cups, as the last World Cup showed us. Our defence carried us through to the final.
      * almost all our major competition in the top 8 teams are well ahead of us on all of the above.

      If we can turn at least our defence around in time for the WC we are a chance of progressing past the QFs. But I really don’t expect that to happen. I mean, look at our back row. It’s like something picked from the late 90’s with 1 workhorse, 1 ball carrier and 1 specialist in the line out. Times have changed. You now need all 3 guys with high work rates to be competitive in this part of the field. We had that in the last WC and almost all our major competition have that now.

      • Kiwi rugby lover

        All good points but I think it might be a reach to get to the Qtr finals unless there are some changes. That team on Saturday would be lucky to get there

        • Brumby Runner

          The team with a few changes would be ok. Need to change the coach. That is the first and easiest step to take towards improvement.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Mate like most I’m hanging out until November. I don’t think it’ll change before then even if the RC is all 3 losses. RA is tied to a contract where by all accounts they can’t afford to sack him and he’s to arrogant to ever admit he’s the problem and resign.

        • Andy

          Although Fiji are a decent team I still think it’s a stretch to say they would be favourites especially considering their lead up compared to ours. We are still more than likely to beat them with that team.

        • AllyOz

          a possible rather than probable at this stage but I think Fiji are preparing pretty well this time and they did make a quarter in 2007 so its not unprecedented. I am prepared to give us the benefit of the doubt until the final whistle on Saturday night. We should know by then. We are likely to drop the two against NZ and we have another against Samoa who have made it difficult for us in the past but you would have to think we will win it. It seems very late in the piece to be still working out who will be playing in the core positions for us and even deciding what our attack and defensive structures will be but we couldn’t go on like we did last year.

        • Andy

          Agree

    • Rolando

      Are you saying Slipper actually held up his side of the scrum? I didn’t watch the match but he used to be in the Baxter mold, a hinge (hips not low enough).

      • Hoss

        Jimmy Slips side of the scrum was solid mate. Kepu got schooled.

        • Brisneyland Local

          I just watched the reply. Kepu was blowing chunks by about the 14:32 mark

    • Kiwi rugby lover

      I think the positives are good and there is definitely some improvement that can be grasped. But by fuck the bad was horrible. I wonder how much of the poor backline was due to the poor play by Foley. It’d be a bit harsh to punish other people for his crap play

      • Hoss

        I honestly thought we were a chance. No because of this ‘Saffa B’ nonsense, just in the ability of those picked in gold to get a result. We have no sooner made improvements in the piggies yet at the same time have created and equal yet opposite hole in the fairies. DHP was beyond awful and I am talking passport stamped ‘never again’ awful. That performance should be representative career ending. No ifs, no but’s – but ‘thanks for coming, you’re shit’. Hodge is an honest plodder but again, no more.

        For the positives. White was terrific, our D for the main was much improved, not perfect, but not the retards fucking door knob exercise of 2018 and earlier. Naisarani looked the goods and needs match time. Kerevi good but limited TKs involvement. Not a big fan of FKA and he did not much, Rodda was invisible and Arnold not much better.

        The MOST frustrating thing again was the self-inflicted wounds. One forward pass by SK after he did all the hard stuff, DHPs butchering of 7 points and Hoopers total misreading of the game and our scrum – take the fucking 3 for fuckity fuck sake and build into the game. Put scoreboard pressure on them and squeeze. Tupou, no yellow for mine, but why give the Penguin (who is a fucking dill) into the game. Don’t give him the option of having to make the call at all.

        For all of that it was a game we could have won and comfortably and what that tells me is the weakest muscle in the current Wallaby arsenal remains the 6inch grey one between the ears.

        • Who?

          With you that Tupou’s YC wasn’t a YC. I don’t think it was even a YC. When the whistle blew, he was taking his final step with his shoulders already dropped. He wasn’t bailing out of that one, no chance. The hit was (marginally) late (definitely after the whistle), but he had his arms forward and he hit the bloke in the chest. It was far from dangerous. To describe it as dangerous is to insult the Bokke!
          I’d have gone back not for the failed maul (Arnold’s good work), but for the original penalty – side entry from Hooper (Williams told Hooper to retreat, he didn’t).

        • Hoss

          Yeah mate – when Williams said he hit him in the chest Hooper should have said ‘and ??????’ Or ‘so what’

        • Brumby Runner

          That is true about Hooper.

        • Brumby Runner

          Between Cheika’s ears to be precise Hoss.

          I agree with what you say except for the bit about Arnold. He was instrumental in winning lineouts against the throw and again was immense in challenging and disrupting opposition mauls. One of the best on the ground.

        • Who?

          I’m guessing what people are complaining about with Arnold is that he didn’t get any clear runs. Which he regularly did for the Brums this year. But it’s hard to get them when you don’t have a playmaker and the defence is offside all night. He got in and did the dirty work, though, no question.
          It was interesting to see how often he and Banks ran off each others’ shoulders. Clear club combination.

        • Hoss

          Happy to stand corrected there. I will confess to watching the second half mostly in fast forward. A combination of emotions somewhere between pending doom, sheer bewilderment and just plain stupor saw me hurling towards the executioners axe to end my suffering.

          Sitting down to watch it again now.

        • Who?

          I hope the sour mash eased the pain of the re-watch mate. :-(

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Mate I’ve been saying for years that the main issue with the Wallabies is their decision making under pressure. The ABs identified this after the loss in the Qtr finals in Wales and got in a mental skills coach. It’s also when they started to address the poor culture and bring in the mantra about better people being better ABs and players having an aim to leave the jersey in a better place than when they arrived.
          I think the Wallabies need to go down this route but like the ABs getting rid of good players like Marshall but who was a cock and disrupting the plan they’ll need to do the same. I can’t see it happening until Cheika is gone though

        • Hoss

          First problem in addressing any problem mate is admitting there is one.

          If i am honest i wasnt wearing my wife’s underwear for comfort, i accepted i had a problem and fixed it. Now a little blouse, a revealing frock to go with and my problems have disappeared – although Briz may be in for a rude shock for our Brissie soirée this weekend.

      • Who?

        Foley, but also the general game plan. What moron designs a game plan that has Kerevi and Kuridrani at 12 and 13, then sets up plays which require Kerevi to run the Beale line – sideways?! Kerevi ran sideways all the way until he moved out to 13…

    • Who?

      You’re far too positive, Hoss…….

  • Timbo

    At 3am I felt like I’d been water boarded with a slurry of dogshit and horse piss. But then what else do we expect?

    Williams has got the banter down pat. Everything else is a lottery. His guesswork is far better that cheikas tho.

    The chat from Hooper and he afterward will be middle management fluff with no real content. Great for the media but the problem is the both believe they have answers. Either that or we’re being taken for the longest ride which will end with a dead nag and us being on another continent.

    We used to be the best team in the world.

    I wonder if F**** would have bombed that try or dropped so much pill or get taken into touch or forgotten to defend or, or, or…

    This result offends me. I should make a social media account to complain

  • Nutta

    Thanks Steve.

    Bokke started with 1st half badly offside play and clearly targeting Foley with & without ball. No surprises. Despite that we were in it at 40min even with the Wobblies managing 3 bombed tries and a woeful captaincy decision to not take 3pts at 35min. That was decisive in the end.

    2nd half was a lesson both by the Bokke in how to control & win by pressure and time management against a one dimensional opponent but also the Wobbs in how to lose.

    For the record;

    HJH scrum held up much better than I expected. Not great and I’m a long way from convinced, but he was not the 3pt magnet I thought he would be.

    Tupou yellow was not warranted. It was not dangerous or high and his arms were up.

    Beale was used for exactly what he is good for – running at tiring defences – and his skill shone through.

    My MOTM was Nic White.

    The Wobbs were gallant in defeat, but they were the losers. The Bokke played well and deserved their win.

    • Nicholas

      Agree about the 3pts before half time, although after the 2nd half performance being 1pt behind compared to 4 made no difference!

      • Nutta

        Sorry Nic but what I was getting at was 3 bombed tries and a dumb call meant whilst we were still in it at oranges, the damage was done. No one can leave those points on the field against any top10 nation and hope to win.

    • HK Red

      And the SA attempted clear out just before Tupou, the guys arms were down/trailing. If that was deemed fine, then so should Tupou’s. Additionally, the “after the whistle” BS, it was a fraction after, they guy can’t stop himself dead.

      • Nutta

        I love the way folk tend to ignore the obvious evidence of a player spearing through with arms by side whilst lifting & jerking the chin up in the air trying to hit SOMETHING/ANYTHING with their head like some sort of prone salmon fish. If that doesn’t clearly signal the intent then I don’t know what does.

    • GO THE Q REDS

      Totally agree on White and Beale.

    • onlinesideline

      yeah but Thors hit was bloody late, bloody stupid and bloody unneeded dont you think ?

      • Who?

        No. Go back and watch it again.

        • onlinesideline

          I did and now even more comvnced – the ref blew his whistle and had hand out before Thor even started his runup – was ridiculously stupid mate

        • Who?

          Seriously? Did you look at the time clock and the whistle? The arm out means nothing – Tupou’s eyes are on the ruck. You don’t play the arm out – you play the whistle. Williams blew the whistle at 53:26 on the game clock, Tupou hit the Bok at 53:27, and Nela was regaining his feet at 53:28. I agree with much of what you’ve posted on here today, but that one’s completely wrong.

        • onlinesideline

          is it – I looked at an instagram reply on thr rugby.com.au profile – ill look again

        • Who?

          I’m looking at my recording of the game. Not the replay – it has no audio. You need to look at the original incident, with the ticking game clock. If the footage has no game clock, or a game clock past 53:30, you’re looking at a replay, so you can’t be sure the timing’s right.

        • onlinesideline

          i cant find a link to full replay whcih is probabaly a good thing

      • UTG

        No, wasn’t late at all. Nor would I’d call a legal cleanout stupid. And, given he was reacting to a no arms clean out on one of his own players in a legal manner, I’m very pleased to see him backing up his mates.

        • Brisneyland Local

          It was a clear 5 seconds after the whistle. Just timed it on the Data recorder.

        • UTG

          Look at when the whistle is blown and when he starts winding up, he starts before the whistle is blown.

        • Brisneyland Local

          It doesnt matter when he winds up it is when the contact is made. And it is made well after the whistle is blown. It is not a shoulder charge, but it was stupid.

        • UTG

          What? Read the rules, champ. It does matter when he winds up. Fucking hell this is rugby 101.

        • Timbo

          Ooh don’t call him champ. Thems fighting words

        • UTG

          If you’re going to blatantly make shit up like “it was five seconds I recorded it” then you deserve fighting words.

        • onlinesideline

          dont call me people “champ” – its 2019, we’ve moved on from that passive agression of the 90s :)

        • Brisneyland Local

          The argument is nugatory anyway. It was stupid. He was yellowed, and the ill discipline affected the result.

        • UTG

          What? The argument is that he wasn’t ill-disciplined, it was legal, and it should not have affected the result.

        • Who?

          Go back and check again mate – he made contact one second after Williams blew the whistle. It was 53:26 on the game clock when Williams blew the whistle, he hit at 53:27, he was regaining his feet at 53:28.
          .
          Then the touchie came running from the far side of the field to make a call on something literally 50m away. It’s less than 5m from the 15m line on the left side of the field, the field’s 70m wide, so 70 – 15 – 5 = 50m. The AR wouldn’t even be able to hear the whistle, given the players couldn’t hear the ref calling ‘set’ all night from only 4m away.
          .
          Twas just a terrible call – not a penalty, let alone a YC. And look at the reaction from the Saffa forwards – particularly the guy who got hit. Nothing. They didn’t think there was anything in it.

      • John Tynan

        Wasn’t late, but was unnecessary, a poor decision.
        Not a YC, but I thought Esterhuizen’s earleir card should have been a penalty only.

        • Who?

          I’d agree on Esterhuizen’s card if his hand hadn’t stayed around the neck all the way to ground. The AR didn’t want it to be a YC – it was all Williams.

        • John Tynan

          Yeah, fair point. The “chin-as-a-handle” wasn’t a good look for him.

    • Who?

      But remember, Nutta, HJH’s first scrum was a penalty for hinging (left elbow pointing at the ground), the second one the ball came out but with penalty advantage to the Bokke. The third one, we had Tupou and Uelese, and they drove through. He’s still got work to do.
      Agree on Tupou’s YC. No idea how on earth he was supposed to bail out on it that close to the whistle.

      • UTG

        That call was rubbish on HJH. The scrum went straight down and Williams just blew a penalty to the attacking side because he’d already fluffed around trying to reset the scrums for the previous 3 minutes.

        • Who?

          Not sure about that… It wasn’t rubbish, it was correct.
          You’re right that he’d just reset ONE scrum… Reality was, the Bok LHP should’ve been done for his elbow grinding its way into the dirt on the first set. But the ARs don’t like making calls against the home team in SA. The difference between the two calls was how quickly HJH hinged.

        • UTG

          We’ll have to agree to disagree. To me, it was the same sort of thing we see at every scrum and is routinely reset. Williams wasn’t on HJH’s side, do you know who made the call? Was it an AR?

        • Who?

          It’s not a total disagreement – I thought it was a quick, tough call, but I thought it was correct. But I’d have pinged the Saffa LHP for exactly the same thing on the first setting of that scrum. Could it have been reset? Sure. But Williams is Mr Lucky Dip, he said all night he was just looking to see who was going forward (not who was technically sound and legal), and he had evidence to support the call.
          .
          But I’ve no idea who made the call. Wouldn’t surprise if it was the AR – same bloke who ran from a similar distance to report on Tupou’s supposed infraction (which was a far poorer and less accurate call). Apparently the bloke has incredible eyesight. :-P

        • UTG

          Thought it was strange that Williams made the call so quickly when he was on the other side of the scrum. Thought it might have been the AR.

          Mr Lucky Dip is the perfect description of Williams refereeing style.

  • Wallaby Dave

    Wallabies handling was woeful, what exactly does Mick Byrne do? After watching the Fijians offload last week vs MAB we look to be in strife for game one of RWC. Again we looked like headless chooks

  • Thylacine

    In preparation for the game against Argentina: Tasmanian style Wallaby Stew recipe as follows…
    Pick up roadkill from the ground (most likely to be found at Suncorp Stadium)
    Ignore the bits that look a bit ancient – that rules out most of the Wallabies but don’t be put off.
    Lean flanks are recommended
    Mix with HP sauce (Hoss to prepare this after the game)
    Liberally soak flanks in fine whiskey until September
    Ship to Japan with locks in place
    Prepare Fijian style barbecue
    Add Welsh leeks
    Ignore the resulting tenderised Wallaby
    Drink the whiskey and pray with Izzy for the Saviour to arrive…or just drink the whiskey coz the Saviour bit is highly unlikely

    • Brisneyland Local

      Pure gold.

  • Andy

    I’m not concerned overly by the lack of cohesion in attack. That is pretty normal for the first game of the year with a largely anomalous group playing together. But the defence and decision making are still major concerns along with the scrum.

    A game like that can be saved with good, desperate defence. Haven’t seen that from the Wallabies since the last World Cup.

  • The Jackal

    Honestly a care-taker coach taking the reins now could not do worse than what Cheika is plating up. Not too late to move on from him after the loss to Argentina this weekend coming.

    • laurence king

      Absolutely, I’m sure Laurie Fisher could do something with the forwards we’ve got. But Cheika has got to go for that to happen as someone like Fisher wouldn’t tolerate fools.

      • HK Red

        A caretaker coach should have been brought in at the end of last years RC

        • Brisneyland Local

          Here here

    • Patrick

      Amen

    • 22metri

      I’m free for the rest of the season…

  • juswal

    Thanks for the graphic report, Steve. No need for me to watch a replay.

    And why would I want to watch? My four first-pick Test players (Pocock, Coleman, Cooper and Meakes) weren’t there. The Wallabies were sent out without a game plan or tactics. No work has been done on passing, defence or decision-making.

    I’ve seen all this before. Not interested in watching any more.

    • Sevenwithasixonmyback

      I was really tempted to switch off at the 65 minute mark.
      I’ve never done that before.
      Can’t switch off the national side, tempting as that sometimes is.
      Watching the ‘Boks monster us became the focus.
      Watching the WBs play the same old same old is getting pretty tiresome.
      That said, Kurtley’s try (grounded by Foley) did have me cheering out loud.

  • Red Block

    So since February we have been hearing of Cheika’s new attacking structure that the WBs had been working on against colts teams and after the first sighting, it would appear it is basically the same as the one that hasn’t worked for the last four years.
    A rush defence offers opportunities for the attacking team if the first receiver can take the ball forward and force defenders to make decisions, particularly if the second pass is to a ball runner aligned to the spaces between defenders. It is basically Under 10s stuff.
    But no, here is Spanner’s deep in the pocket shuffling the ball out with no deception and rarely moving forward first. The whole game I kept thinking, ‘I wonder what Quade would do?’
    I hope Cheika is keeping his powder dry for the RWC but he hasn’t changed in 4 years.

    • laurence king

      It appears to me that we have deteriorated from this time last year, at least the side had some belief but most of these blokes look like they are playing without hope or belief. The engines running but the heart’s not there. Cheika and his coaches, Hooper, Spanners, Kepu need to go.

    • GO THE Q REDS

      Yep….. the only reason Foley gets some things right….. like his chip through for Kerevi or his try backing up Beale… is because your bound to get something right occasionally when your on for 80mins! The rest of the game he was horrid! No structure, no attacking threat and more importantly Zero vision!

      • laurence king

        A stopped clock is right twice a day

        • GO THE Q REDS

          It’s also Broken and has a little sticker on the back saying “made in Chieka”

        • laurence king

          GOLD, That’s priceless

        • Brisneyland Local

          Tip of the Hat. GTQR. Tip of the hat!

  • Brumby Runner

    Most of the comments below have nailed the good and bad out of this match.

    Not all gloom and doom. The good included James Slipper, Rory Arnold, Isi Naisarani, Nic White and Samu Kerevi. The decision to replace Naisarani was atrocious. He had been one of the shining lights with his high workload and ability to get over the gain line. Dempsey did SFA when he came on.

    From a team perspective, I thought the 1 3 3 1 forwards pod system was missing. If so, I am grateful for small mercies. The lineout was strong but the scrum wasn’t quite up to scratch.

    The bad started with the coaching. The backline play in the first half was reminiscent of the Rebels late in the Super season. Too flat, one dimensional under severe pressure leading to errors and turnovers.

    There was a lack of out and out pace out wide and that was instrumental in the Saffas first try.

    Individually, Michael Hooper should not be the No 7 nor the captain. Hooper’s absence from the breakdown area in general play was obvious. I don’t know what position would suit him best, but No 7 he certainly ain’t. Like to see Liam Wright come in for the Argies.

    Kepu was buggered at half time, and had been the weakest link in the Wallabies front row in his time on the field. Where we all thought the front row was one of our stronger areas a week ago, it has now deteriorated to a point of some concern. I think Kepu’s days at test level are over but Tupou hasn’t risen to the required level either. After AAT, the THP stocks are looking bare. Maybe need to swing Slipper back to the TH side and bring Roberston onto the bench.

    There was no discernible attacking strategy in the backline play. All down to a poor performance at No 10. Kerevi was sensational but reverted to his bash it up game. The outside backs hardly got a sighting of the ball. All adds up to very poor game plan and game management.

    Apart from Kepu, it didn’t look to me that any one was suffering due to the altitude. The early start to the tour probably was the right thing. This was not the strongest team the Saffas could put together, so the result is totally unacceptable.

    • Timbo

      The Saffas were flooding the breakdown with bodies. How they didn’t get done for sealing off blows my mind but then I remember Williams was ref and it makes sense.
      Hooper was effectively taken out of the game and we only got 2-3 turn overs none of them made by Hooper.
      Foley did manage to put Kerevi into a few holes and the one before the forward pass to LSL was a pearler.
      I would have liked to see Lilo at 10 but sadly injuries happen…

      • Brisneyland Local

        CLL or QC both would have done a better job than Spanners!

      • Glen B

        Hooper often takes himself out of the game, by seagulling or rushing up for “never going to get” intercepts, leaving holes in his defensive line.

    • Brisneyland Local

      BR a wonderful and accurate write up. I will still pretty much seeting when i wrote mine this morning. We are going backwards. I think Cheika is now just ruining new squad members.

  • McWarren

    So naught has changed.

    Who knew the Boks would be big and abrasive?

    Surprise surprise an aggressive rush up defender is effective.

    I’m gobsmacked to see that having a captain who communicates with the ref rather than talks at him gets a better rub of the green!!

    How could one possibly know that selecting a lightweight 7 and a 6 & 8 who impersonate Easter Island statues going into contact would mean no go forward ball?

    So let me get this straight, if faced with a rushed in your face defence your saying the worst things to do are to keep throwing passes to men, sorry boys, standing further behind the ad line and don’t pass to the fella who is running straight at a hard should? Are you sure? Sorry what was that? Keep it tight around the ruck for longer and/or deploy a short kicking game in behind the defence, that’s madness and any hoot our 10 hasn’t got a big enough boot for a short kicking game.

    I don’t follow? You mean to say flogging the guys so they are HEAPS fitter has actually taken the sting out of them, pffft, what drivel. When I got them after a complete super season there was flubber flying everywhere. Don’t back chat me mate, I know fitness!!

    No no no. Speed is not as important as training drill intensity!! I’m putting my fingers in my ears now, lalalalalala, I can’t hear you, lalalalala…….

    • laurence king

      I detect unbelief in your response McWarren. Be careful, you may be sent for some re-education.

  • GO THE Q REDS

    Wallabies are CLEARLY LOST! Blows my mind that we have a backline with Foley, Toomua, Hodge and even DHP and Beale after the form these guys all showed all year! Where’s the legit threat players like Quade, Naivalu(an actual winger) or even JOC!
    Doesn’t matter how fast Banks is or how amazing Kerevi is……. if Foley simply sucks at knowing WHEN to give them the ball it’s a massive waste of time!
    I dearly hope Lealifano heals FAST!
    The forwards are there about minus HOOPER!

    • Gallagher

      Easy for me, drop the duds for next game, bring in the contenders and use Super combinations until team gels better (not rocket science!);

      Below is a combination front row where AAA’s should shore up the scrum, locks have the line out going well, back row performing well minus Pococks superior abrasiveness/size and pilfering ability, best attack 9/10 combo to set up the solid but pacy and punchy back 5!

      Slipper
      Faingaa
      Allalatoa (Kepu benched, poor performance)
      Arnold
      Rodda (lucky there’s no obvious alternative, but was quiet as opposed to poor)
      Salakaia-Loto
      Hooper (Pending Pocock return)
      Naisarani
      Genia (selected as previous incumbent and combination with Cooper)
      Cooper (Foley scrapped, Poor performance)
      O’Connor (Haylett-Petty scrapped, poor performance, need speed)
      Kerevi
      Kuridrani (lucky there’s no obvious alternative, but was quiet as opposed to poor)
      Korobete (Hodge benched, but was quiet as opposed to poor, need speed)
      Banks

      Uelese
      Robertson (Johnson-Holmes scrapped, poor performance)
      Kepu
      Simmons
      Dempsey
      White (unlucky as was a great performance, but need attack combo)
      Hodge (Toomua scrapped, offered nothing hence poor performance)
      Beale

  • onlinesideline

    only watched the highlights but Im glad that was all. People will roll their eyes but I’m sorry, not including Quade and accepting his one or two weaknesses in order to benefit from his attacking genius which bamboozles teams and has been particluarly sucessful against teams like the Boks is insanity. Hes leaving for good next season and we will have wasted a once in a generation player, persisting with a 10 that has overseen the most losses we have ever had in a five year period. How freaking long does a coach persist with a guy that just CANNOT do it.

    And dont think our defense is not related to our lack of good offense. They are intrinsically linked physcologically. If we exhaust ourselves with failing attack and dont get points from chapter after chapter in the game, then of course it affects your mindset in defence. If we are scoring 3-4 tries a match instead of 1, it makes a massive difference. People say Quade has brainfarts. But look how many points we are leaking a match with Foley, or more importantly look how much we are losing by. We are having 35 to 40 points scored against us virtuallly every test macth now and we just cant score.

    I tip a 4-zip record against entering RWC and yeah – no words. The man cannot coach at this level.

    • Brisneyland Local

      100%

      • Bernie Chan

        Ditto…

    • Andrew Luscombe

      QC wasn’t any better against SA teams during the super season. Lilo is probably the option to try next.

  • 22metri

    so, in your opinion, no chance for the Bledisloe? ;-)

    • AllyOz

      limited chance against Argentina first

  • Scrum stats part 2: For the terminally nerdy – and the very brave.

    So I watched what I’d recorded on fast forward and then slowed down for the scrums. I coded up what happened in the scrums that had a “natural” outcome – that is not a penalty, free kick or reset, and this time I recorded it by team too. I kept the clean and dirty distinction as well.

    I’ll save the bad news until the end.

    NZ: Hardly any scrums. This was a combination of when they did get ball from Pumas spills they usually ran it out of advantage in counter-attack (first half) and they didn’t force the spills (second half). 3 clean wins, 1 x 9 pass (ref called “use it”), 1 x 8 run (he passed it but he’d run well over the advantage line before he offloaded, by the point of the tackle, the AB were just inside their 22 having started at their 5m line and they cleared to their 10m line and relieved the pressure very nicely) and 1 x 8 pass (he basically picked up, turned around and popped the ball to the 9, not sure why the 9 didn’t pick up).

    Argentina: 8 clean wins. Largely in the second half when the youngsters came on and newbie nerves and new combinations led to spilt ball. 6x 9 pass. 1 x 8 pass. 1 x 8 run. The 8 pass was a run upfield but not across the advantage line, then a long pass.

    SA: 7 clean wins 5 x 9 passes (2x ref called “use it”), 2 x 8 passes. (He picked up and ran a few steps first but didn’t cross the centreline of the scrum before passing, so I scored that as a pass, not a run.) 1 dirty win, 9 run. Picked up from a scrum under pressure and got caught. A lot of the 9 passes occurred after Jantjies was replaced – not sure if that was deliberate to protect him or a change in style of 9’s.

    Aus: 0 clean wins. That’s correct. 0. 2 dirty wins. 1 9 “run” with the scrum under pressure, White picked up and got hammered. 1 8 run. 5m out from the Bok line, Naisirani picked up, chugged sideways, got tackled, next phase someone held on and the Boks relieved the pressure with the penalty kick. Ouch.

    The low numbers for the Nearlies and the Wobs are so spectacularly different in how they arose and their impact on the match they’re worth watching in isolation if you’re feeling masochistic. How to vs What not to do…

    • John Tynan

      Haha!! Love it EP. Opposite to most people “forwarded through the play and slowed for scrums!”

  • Two bombed tries and, as usual, Michael Hooper turning down relatively easy shots at goal!

  • adastra32

    Just watched the first 60 minutes – the beer festival proved more attractive than watching live :-). Major issue for me is that the WBs defensive line is so SLOW; they were mooching up all game. Is the idea that the oppo kindly gives you the ball back and THEN you get fired up? In truth, SA were hardly brilliant, first game, new combos etc. but WB mistakes handed it to them on a plate.

  • Birdy

    I don’t know what you Aussies are moaning about. Apparently you’ve got four locks better than the Saracens 18-month trained and reshaped Will Skelton, and two blind-side flankers better than Scott Fardy. You must be in great shape.

  • Cole

    Here goes. Starting with the forwards Arnold and Rodda are 4s. The big angry men. A proper 5 is needed to balance them out and do the lineout calls and the unsung stuff….you know like Eales was at 5 and Carter does very well at the Brumbies. Don’t play both together it makes them less effective. Same goes for Coleman Find a world class no 5. 5As is the starting tighthead Thor is a finisher. Slipper and Sio can alternate. Kepu…you’ve served us well, let’s not cliffy palu this. HJH needs another year at SR level. Uelese should be in Shute Shield playing 2nd Grade and First Grade every weekend. Not enough game time in the last 12 months hence the poor tackle technique. All in forwards did pretty well considering combinations and injuries.

  • AllyOz

    The result was very disappointing. I watched a replay and probably wasn’t as intent on the game as I would have been.

    My thoughts FWIW:
    1. I am not certain about the two K’s having seen it in practice. I didn’t mine the theory of it but it just seemed a bit “same-same”. We gave two line breaking, off-loading centres but, we didn’t seem to have someone to run off those offloads, not a lot of speed to finish and some fellas like DHP just had games that were a bit below par.
    2. I thought the forward pack performance was below par. All aspects. Some exceptions but
    3. Didnt think there was a yellow card in Tupou’s incident – it would have been legal if it wasn’t late and I think he was committed. Having said that, it is just too common for a yellow to be given and teams have to be prepared to play a man down and not concede points.

  • Joe Carbery

    “Haylett-Petty got caught up in a ruck……” Actually, he ran in and joined the melee, leaving a completely vacant blind-side. Naive in the extreme. Coupled with his knock on with the line open, he gifted the ‘Boks ten points. To give being down to 14 men for ten minutes as an excuse for losing rather loses credence when under similar circumstances the ‘Boks scored.

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