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Wallabies fight hard to defeat Pumas in Brisbane

Wallabies fight hard to defeat Pumas in Brisbane

The Wallabies have earnt a well-deserved, and vital, victory at their beloved Suncorp Stadium defeating Argentina 16-10.  The Australians were never behind on the scoreboard and impressed with their perseverance and resilient defence.  A return to Wallaby colours by Christian Lealiifano, Luke Jones and James O’Connor, as well as Will Genia’s last test at home were some of the sideline stories that contributed to the significance of a rare Wallaby win – only their 5th in their last 17 matches.

First Half

Fan-demanded improvements were evident early for the Wallabies as Samu Kerevi was able to break a tackle AND pass the ball to his centre partner, Tevita Kuridrani, while the defensive line was working harder to get off the line.  Unfortunately there was no such improvement in their breakdown work as the Wallabies continued their turnover issues of last week.

The Pumas soon pushed the line too far, though, and were penalised for their breakdown work.  Christian Lealiifano stepped up to score his first points for his country since 2015. 3-0 Australia

The pack was asserting itself as well. Izack Rodda ran a delightful line off Will Genia and made more metres in one run then the entire tight five did last week.  Second test Number 8, Isi Naisarani, was making big metres as well, albeit in the heart of the Argentine defence.

The match was brought alight with one particular passage of play, just prior to the quarter way point, which saw big scrums, massive hits, line-breaks, off-loads, counter attacks and a little biffo as both teams chanced their arm and entertained the crowd.

Other rare sightings continued including a couple of dominant Wallaby scrums and Michael Hooper snagging a turnover.

In reality though, the Argentinians looked way more competent in their play and dangerous in attack.  It was only some scrambling defence or mishandling that prevented them from scoring a number of tries.

A Nicholas Sanchez penalty just after the 20 minute mark tied the scores up at 3-all.

The Wallabies appeared to be barely holding on while the Argies raised their niggle game and it looked to be putting the home team off.

However it was the Aussies who scored the first try of the match with Reece Hodge going over in the corner.  It all came from a strong scrum, and Lealiifano manipulating the Argentinean defence to put Marika Koroibete into space.  A couple of poor passes  from Koroibete and Kurtley Beale slowed the movement but didn’t prevent the try.  Lealiifano iced the conversion from out wide to extend the lead.  10-3.

And that’s the way it would remain until the break in a half of rugby that had it’s moment but really didn’t reach any great levels.

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Reece Hodge scores the first Wallaby try.

Second Half

The second half started just how Michael Cheika would have wanted as the Pumas fumbled the kick off and the Aussies, led by replacement Tight Head Prop, Taniela Tupou destroyed the Argentinan scrum and drew a penalty.  Lealiifano guided it over to stretch the lead further. 13-3

James Slipper came on for Scott Sio around the 50 minute mark and the scrum superiority continued.  They drew yet another penalty for their dominance and Lealiifano didn’t miss.  16-3.

The Brumbies 10 was promptly replaced by Matt Toomua and received a well-deserved round of applause by the record crowd*.  This is truly one of the great sporting stories of this year and, personally, it was a privilege to be here to view this element of it.

But these Queenslanders are a parochial lot and the ovation Will Genia received when he was replaced by Nic White, leaving Suncorp Stadium for the last time as a player, was tremendous and rare.

If the match failed to ignite, much must be because of the indifferent play of the visitors.  After the exceptional play by the Jaguares, and some impressive play last weekend v the All Blacks, the Pumas were out of sorts tonight.  Any real opportunities they had were nullified fairly easily by the Wallabies, and, quite often, by themselves.

Luke Jones was the next returning Wallaby to get a start, replacing the again impressive Naisarani.  It’s been 1701 days since Jones was last selected in a test match. James O’Connor was soon to follow who had waited 2140 days between selections (thanks @IainPayten).

The Wallabies lost their way a little and their composure was lacking. Argentina finally took advantage but it took an 11 person lineout and drive for their number 8, Facundo Isa, to score. The conversion kept the visitors within a converted try of the lead with five minutes to play. 16-10.

A missed penalty shot, after their 5th scrum penalty of the game, and a Kerevi break down the blind was about the only action for the remainder of the game before Ben O’Keefe called full time.

It was the Wallabies’ 6th win in a row at Suncorp Stadium and a much needed confidence boost as they take on New Zealand in Perth in a couple of weeks.

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Lealiifano and Naisarani – two standouts for the Wallabies.


The Game Changer 

No stand out here but the dominance of the Australian scrum, or more the specifically the Pumas’ inability to dominant the Aussie here as they could have expected, was significant in the outcome of the game.

The G&GR MOTM

The rest of the press box went for Will Genia, and he was very good, but I through Isi Naisarani was outstanding.  The strength of his runs in traffic, and his control at the back of the scrum, is something we’ve missed in Wallaby colours for many years.

RWC Watch

After the failure that was the Wallaby wing performance last weekend, Marika Koroibete was a revelation tonight. He is still a little haphazard in his play, but tonight it was largely effective. Lealiifano did everything asked of him as well and probably confirmed his squad position, particularly as Matt Toomua was not effective from the bench.


The Details

Score & Scorers

AUSTRALIA  16
Tries: Reece Hodge 32′
Conversions: Christian Lealiifano 33′
Penalties: Christian Lealiifano 11′, 43′, 51′
ARGENTINA 10
Tries: Facunda Isa 74′
Conversions: Joaquin Diaz Bonilla 75′
Penalties: Nicolas Sanchez 22′

Cards

Nil

Crowd

31,559 (*largest crowd for a Puma test in Australia outside of Rugby World Cups)

  • UTG

    Koroibete excellent.

    Genia sublime.

    Hooper playing as a traditional 7 now he’s been tasked to play as one.

    No penalties from Tolu.

    Not many here predicting all that.

    • No yellow cards either.

    • Huw Tindall

      Missed Hooper taking the points every time too!

    • Gipetto

      I predicted the wallabies’ best ever half-back, Genia, playing well.

  • Scrums stats, round 2.

    I’ve added a couple of statistics I recorded, more on that later.

    In the first match, NZ v SA there were 12 scrums awarded and 3 resets (25%). These were 2 at the very first scrum and 1 when the front rows were largely replaced. I can live with that. There were 8 clean wins (67%), 2 penalties for the team putting in (17%), one penalty for the other team (8%) and 1 dirty win (8%).

    Of the scrums going to completion, SA had 5x 9 pass, 2 where the ref called time. NZ had 3x 9 pass and 1x 9 run (dirty win).

    Now the new bits. NZ played the advantage 2x and scored 7 points, for 3.5 points/ad. SA played the advantage 6x and scored 3 points for 0.5 points/ad.

    In the second match, Aus v Arg there were 20 scrums awarded and 8 resets (40%). A lot of those were in the final scrum, otherwise it was 1 per scrum several times. There were 13 clean wins, 11 with the front rows up (55%) and 2 with the front rows down (10%). There were 6 total penalties, 4 for the team putting in (20%) and 2 against the head (10%). These split 5-1 to Australia. There was 1 dirty win (5%).

    Of the scrums going to completion, Australia had 6x 9 pass, 1x 8 pass (ref called time) and 1x 8 run. The 8 pass was a very disrupted scrum but the outcome was clearly over the advantage line, so it was a clean win by my rules. Argentina had 1x 9 pass, 2x 8 pass, 2x 8 run and 1x 9 pass (dirty win). At 8-6 the scrums look fairly even until you add the 5-1 penalty count to Australia.

    Both sides took the advantage 6 times and scored 0 points from it for 0.0 points/ad.

    One thing really stands out from last week. In three of the four matches there are resets in 40’s% range (40%, 43%, 46%), in NZ v SA it’s 25%! Presumably having two top-flight scrummaging units can make a huge difference and that’s what the stats seem to show.

    While this is only two matches, the first one shows how dominant SA’s rush defence was for large parts of the game – they took scrum advantage 6 times and won 5 scrums. I didn’t record how many scrum penalties they won, it was one or two. However, the AB, poachers and ruthless in counter-attack that they are only had two chances to play advantage, and scored 7 points from it. Their other chance they rampaged a huge distance up the middle of the pitch and were stopped by some great defence. Argentina and Australia combined for 0 points from advantage that they played.

    A final note for the stats nerds. In both matches there was a penalty advantage given at the scrum that played out for a little while. If it had played out to advantage over I would have recorded it as whatever it was (I remember one was a 9 pass, can’t recall the other). In both cases not enough advantage developed and the ref took it back to the penalty kick. They’re recorded as a penalty.

    • Steve

      Thought you were supposed to be smashing the whiskies mate?

      • The NZ v SA was enthralling. I’m sure Hansen et al were pulling their hair out at the dropped ball, but there were a lot more spills thanks to defensive pressure. The Wallabies v Pumas was lacking skills but didn’t go as badly as I expected – managed to keep my eyes on the game and my attention on the scrums rather than having to drown my sorrows.

        I don’t we stand a stand in two weeks but I wasn’t sure we’d win.

        • Keith Butler

          Difference between the two games like chalk and cheese and guess which one was the chalk.

        • As a former teacher I like chalk…

          But can’t argue with the sentiment.

  • sambo6

    You know what….I found myself throwing a lot less hatred at the television this week with Foley not in the team….

    • UTG

      I don’t know about that, would have preferred Foley out there to Matt Toomua.

      • sambo6

        The hatred did return around the 51st minute….

      • Jason

        I mean at least Toomua plays defence … and can kick further than a child…

  • Bobas

    The subs were used so poorly, almost lost us the game.
    Lilo coming off after 50 minutes was pathetic coaching, Cheika needs to go.

    • Pretty sure they were trying players out and the Result was deemed not so important. Pity, it turned the game in to a dirge.

      • Bobas

        Surely practising winning should be a higher priority considering Cheika has failed to do so in more than half of his games in charge.

        • I’ve given up trying to understand the man.

        • Bobas

          I’d like to see him go back and try and enjoy his coaching more.

        • Andy

          Lol

        • Parker

          I think he’s lacking in intensity……of thought and understanding.

      • Keith Butler

        If they were trying players out then both LSL and Hodge should have gone a lot sooner and given at least 20 mins for their replacements.

        • Patrick

          Yes and indeed that should have been done.

      • Jason

        If that was ‘the plan’ then why on earth leave JO’C only 12 min to… make one tackle (I think he touched the ball once too). I get and encourage trying different players, but when Toomua was clearly not working out at 10 we should have at least tried O’Connor there.

    • Huw Tindall

      Thought bringing the Tupou on at half time and Slipper shortly after was an excellent move. Kept the Puma scrum under the pump. The rest of the subs timing was dog shit. Granted they wanted to see Toomua at 10 but I’d rather secure a test win and gain momentum than experiment.

      • Jason

        I’m not so sure the Puma’s scrum were too under the pump in the first half, IIRC the first scrum penalty was after Tupou came on. IMO Kepu just doesn’t have it any more and really needs to be dropped from the squad.

        • Huw Tindall

          You’re right first half wasn’t a demolition but they gave them nothing and I believe Sio got a scrum penalty. Agree Kepu is probably one season too late and will probably miss the 23 when 7As is back. Still make the squad though with oodles of experience and as a mentor to a lot of the young PI guys. Probably has one big game left in him too and will give the others a rest when we play Uruguay.

        • Fatflanker

          They were doing a sterling job of feeding their own ball into the second row though. Can’t say I’ve ever seen a 9 actually turn 45 degrees to feed the ball before. Good luck to them getting away with it anyway.

        • Who?

          So you haven’t seen Los Pumas scrummage before? :-P
          Honestly, they’ve always fed it crooked.

  • Who?

    That was a pleasant surprise. Genia, Kerevi and the other departees deserved to get a win, and with Genia making his 73rd appearance at Suncorp (ahead of Simmons with 71, and Holmes on 70), very appropriate.
    .
    As noted, we still did nothing at the breakdown. The Pumas were regularly putting only one over the ball early in the game. No team should ever feel so confident as to do that!
    The Pumas lost that game as much as the Wallabies won it. Their set play at 25 minutes off the scrum was exceptional, and they were unlucky not to score. Similarly, they had a scrum play at 21 minutes which almost gave them a try. They dropped an awful lot of pill.
    .
    There was a clear turning point in the game. 51 minutes. Leali’ifano left. He was very good. The try? I can’t imagine Foley being able to sell the inside ball and then deliver it on the outside like that. Christian left, the cohesion left the backline. We didn’t score another point, and largely didn’t look like scoring, in spite of a dominant scrum and not being required to give the Pumas even a sniff of a gap at the lineout. Sharpe pointed out one of Rodda’s steals was made whilst he was basically standing IN their lineout.
    .
    Sharpe’s highlight of the match was the Argentinian try near the end. He was cheering the 10 man lineout before the ball was thrown. :-)
    He also put the mocker on Toomua’s penalty – his last statement before the kick was “He better hit it well, because Ellyse has been hitting them perfectly!” Sharpie on fire! :-)
    .
    With a slower Puma linespeed than the Bokke last week, and having Christian at 10, we saw Kerevi running much straighter, we saw the ball making it to TK, and generally just a way better backline structure. Beale helped, but Hodge again wasn’t great.
    .
    The try? I thought Hodge was at fault. I thought Marika’s pass to Beale was actually quite good – he’s improved his passing a HUGE amount in the last 12 months. Beale’s pass to Hodge wasn’t bad, either. But Hodge was too flat. Not the only time, either – made it hard for Beale to throw a legal pass (even though O’Keeffe wasn’t too stressed about forward passes tonight – for either team!), which caused Hodge to prop and have to step inside.
    .
    Ultimately, a lot of the failings from last week were still there in the pack. We were just a better match against the Pumas (strengths against weaknesses) than we were against the Bokke last week.

    • Bobas

      interesting you picked up on Sharp’s good commentary, I couldn’t stop keeping score with Burke’s errors v the handling.
      He can’t do LSL name properly. At one stage he thought DHP should have passed the ball wider, then he said the wallabies were asleep only to then congratulate their awareness.

      • Who?

        Burke can be hilarious. :-)
        Sharpe’s often quite good. But tonight was worth mentioning.
        .
        I normally don’t go there, but I also thought O’Keeffe – apart from not caring about the gap for the Pumas and missing forward passes both ways – had a really good game. Was very impressed that he told Skeen that there was nothing worth considering at 63 minutes (early tackle from Toomua where the ball was passed way forward).
        .
        EDIT – how’d I have two up votes almost before I hit post?! :-D

        • UTG

          BOK is so much better than he used to be.

        • Bobas

          BOK has improved. Better communication, more consistent, rewards positive play like contesting the breakdown, but also lets the game flow.

        • Who?

          He needed to improve… It’s only one game where I’ve thought he was good, so I’m not confident to change my mind on him yet, but it’s noteworthy. Especially when we’re losing Barnesy after Tokyo Bill.
          .
          I was concerned an all Kiwi panel (BOK, touchies, even Skeen) would ruin us, but they were pretty even handed. Maybe they work best when they’re all talking with the same accent?

        • Bobas

          I still don’t trust Pickerell, but the others have improved

        • He refereed a 6N match recently, or a November test. I don’t remember but it was a neutral match for me and I thought he did an OK job there. I thought he was pretty good today. Probably missed the odd forward pass, but they weren’t really howlers and I’m prepared to live with that. I thought the no-call on 2Cows was a great call that other people would have said “contact off the ball” and got wrong too.

          I think he’s definitely growing into it – and he’s better on the field than as a TMO.

        • Bobas

          The assistants should be calling the passes, calling them from the middle requires too much guessing.

        • From NooZealand

          Good, very good re: language.

        • Who?

          Even just familiarity – comfort breeds confidence. If you know the blokes around you, you’re more likely to trust them, more likely to feel comfortable, confident, and back yourself.

    • Patrick

      You are right, Hodge was too flat, he could easily have been two metres deeper

    • Fatflanker

      Must have been three occasions when all we had to do was bend over and pick the bloody ball up from the ruck. That is just a terrible tactic.

  • Lilo looked like a huge step forward in attack – selecting different players and throwing miss passes and other such strange things. We also seemed to see a fairly ordinary (if quite old school) defensive pattern, instead of one of Grey’s “hide everyone, confuse ourselves more than the opposition” specials. It remains to be seen how it will do against a side that keeps hold the ball – I think it’s lacking line speed for one obvious thing – but it looked a lot better than it has in years. I’m assuming that’s because they weren’t trying to cover up for Foley too.

    I think the LSL experiment might have run its course. He definitely has his moments but they’re too few and far between to justify keeping him IMO.

    Scrum looked good, Hooper actually playing like a 7 made the back row balance work properly, comments about LSL notwithstanding.

    Qualified happiness – Los Pumas really fell off after last week and we beat a poor side. But we won.

    • Bobas

      Valetini should have been given a run this game, but that will probably come against the darkness then back to Hanigan and Dempsey for the RWC.

      • I said beforehand that I thought LSL should have got a second shot because for a blind-side in his first test at Ellis Park in a side pretty well dominated up front I thought he had enough moments to give him a second chance.

        I also said events could prove me wrong.

        I hope we see Valenti, and I hope the Ned part of your prediction is wrong.

    • From NooZealand

      LOL – “hide everyone, confuse ourselves more than the opposition”

    • laurence king

      LSL is a tight forward not a 6 and I think he should be on the bench as such. I think that he’s a beast.

    • Huw Tindall

      Like your thoughts as usual EP! Although we had the same D system as last week, what the commentators are calling ‘soaking’ I think they selectively chose to attack rucks rather than just seemingly stand off everything last week. Probably Hooper’s best game in a while. Did his usual tackle everything job but was a nuisance at the breakdown too plus was good on the attacking rucks getting over the ball and supporting the bigger runners. More than anything though he took the points every time he should have. Treated the Test with the respect it deserved.

      100% with you on LSL. Really wonder what the selectors would have done if Samu was fit at the start of TRC.

    • mutley

      LSL appears to have stumps for hands. I lost count of the number of handling errors he made on his own

      • OnTheBurst

        Yes the LSL experiment must be terminated, pronto. He was dreadful.

      • joy

        You only needed to count to two!

        • mutley

          He may have only dropped 2 cold but he lost the ball in contact or on hitting the ground more than that

    • Andy

      According to the stats we still dropped 34 tackles. For me, that’s still nowhere near good enough. The Pumas blew 2 clear cut tries that better teams would have finished off.

      • You did read the final paragraph I wrote?

        Qualified happiness – Los Pumas really fell off after last week and we beat a poor side. But we won.

        I agree. But I’ve hammered the side, the coach, the plan, the skills and so on for the last few years, hoping to find the pearls that have, in effect been cast before swine as Cheika’s made a pig’s ear of a purse to invert a metaphor. Maybe not a world #1 silk purse, but a top 5, maybe top 3 side.

        This was far from a perfect performance. With my realist head on, it’s come too late for a run past the QF unless there’s an unfeasibly large leap in quality. Injuries and so on aside, Wales will still win that pool match and if the Wobs play like last week, Fiji will too, so the QF aren’t guaranteed.

        However, it was a big improvement over last week and for the first time in a while I’ve watched a game and felt positive at the end of it. Not “OMG, we’re going to win the RWC, we’re perfect” positive but like there are signs of change in the right direction.

        • Andy

          I did. And agree with your sentiments. I think top 3 is being very generous. Top 5 at best for me. I’d say the AB’s, Boks, Poms and Paddy’s are ahead of us on talent and depth. Prob even the Welsh and maybe the French though I reckon 1 is a serious over performer and 1 a serious underperformer. So on paper I think we sit somewhere between 5 and 7 taking into account player availability.

        • I think the Boks ought to be comfortably ahead of us, and with Erasmus they’re starting to come together. They’re not because of politics in RSA which I think rather tied the hands of their previous coach, who could have done better if he’d been allowed to – Rassie has had some of the chains taken off as well as perhaps a vision of what to do that sits more comfortably with more of his players.

          France, not sure I agree. The Top 14 looks strong in theory, but it’s an odd league that is flooded with foreign players that really disrupts their squads and combinations and an odd mentality that hangs over from the amateur days where teams don’t strive on the road. Picking a good squad, with strong combinations and a coherent strategy and imposing a good team ethos is tricky. With Toulouse and Clermont finally both clicking and with a lot of French stars in both clubs, that might change but not for this year I think.

          Wales, I think the next cycle will really tell. They have a lot of good players and a really strong team ethos. I think Gatland is a better coach than perhaps the rest of the world recognises just at the moment and has raised them higher than their player base deserves by a bit but I think as part of that, he’s built that player base up and Pivac is inheriting a good squad even after the retirements.

          Ireland, I’m not so sure. I think they peaked too early… they’ve now got too many players one year too old. But we shall see in a couple of months time I guess.

  • UTG

    I mean, NZ conceded 20 turnovers as well. Pretty easy to trot out the old “ABs would have put 30 on us” line. We’ll see in two weeks.

    • Patrick

      I reckon that South African team might have put 50 on us…

      • UTG

        The team that scored 1 try against the run of play in the 79th minute in the earlier game?

        • Patrick

          Yep. That one.

        • UTG

          Ok, so in what world are they putting 50 on us?

        • Patrick

          Well let’s see how things go in Perth first.

          But my logic is this:
          1. The 1.5th XV put 30+ on us
          2. The 1st XV played a game against the ABs which looked a whole grade up from either of games these last two weeks, away from home, in which they looked the better team most of the game; and
          3. The ABs average 34 points on us even on our home grounds the last few years

          I could easily imagine that Springboks team putting 50 on us.

          Now I’m sure we would rise somewhat to the occasion and they would sink somewhat to our level, and hopefully we are on the up (funny what playing a 10, 7 and 8 can do for your game), but I didn’t see anything this week or last that made me think that we are going to beat New Zealand or South Africa in the near future.

          I would of course love to be proven wrong. The loss of Retallick certainly improves our odds against the nearlies and if we get Pocock back then I’d actually see the line being less than 10 points.

  • adastra32

    I always say there’s nothing like a good Test match….and that was nothing like a good Test match.

    WBs can draw encouragement from certain players performing well and a win. However, a game containing nearly 50 turnovers and significant laxity on both sides is not going to scare the other major teams in the respective WC groups come Japan time.

    • Who?

      The one good thing about it is that, whilst it was error-strewn, at least it was, for the most part, an even contest.

  • sambo6

    As evidence of the backline losing all cohesion when lealifano went off is the fact that JOC was on the park for 12minutes, and did not touch the ball….

    • Bobas

      So Foley in 12 next game?

      • sambo6

        Yep. And ashley-cooper at 13….

      • Brisneyland Local

        It is Cheika so of course.

        • sambo6

          breaking news. Cheika has already picked his team for the all blacks game….

          Beale
          Dhp
          Ashley-cooper
          Foley
          Hodge
          Lilo*
          Genia*
          Dempsey
          Lsl
          Hooper
          Simmons
          Rodda
          Kepu
          Latu
          Johnson-holmes

          Although Lilo and genia have asterixs next to their names as ‘to be confirmed’…I expect this is because they actually performed well yesterday, but didn’t look like they were enjoying their rugby….

        • Brisneyland Local

          Man dont be surprised if you have named the exact squad.

        • Keith Butler

          Where’s Ned?

    • Who?

      What’s fascinating about JOC is that I don’t know what position he was playing. TK left the field, Samu had played well at 12 (even got away a great kick, chased it, regathered it, handed it off to a player with an open tryline…), JOC came on, but he didn’t touch the ball. And I didn’t see wide shots at any lineouts after he entered the field. And at scrums, it was generally set up with Toomua and Kerevi on one side, with JOC on the other side. So even there, it wasn’t clear!
      Did anyone else have a better idea of what he might’ve been playing?

      • Hoss

        12 mate.

  • laurence king

    We won, that’s nice for a change, lol, and there were some good performances and generally better defence. I still have the same amount of hair that I had when the game started so I see that as a positive.

  • Andy

    Was a pretty average game to watch and doesn’t fill me with too much hope. But the positives:

    Defense held up well
    Scrum was good
    Genia was good
    LLF was good
    Another week for 2K’d in the centres and they were decent.
    Naisarani is an international player. I though he was fantastic.

    But really:
    Just too many basic errors
    Too much poor decision making
    LSL just not up to standard at 6. A squad second rower he is.
    Toomua was epic shit from the bench. Not sure his selection can be further justified anymore.

    • dsb

      MK?

  • Keith Butler

    I, along with Hoss and BL were there and conditions were perfect. A win is a win though but we were playing against a side with a decent set of backs but a mediocre scrum. Kepu was blowing big ones after 20 mins and as Eloise has rightly pointed out LSL is a lock playing at 6. With the platform given by the forwards in the 2nd half we should have achieved more but didn’t. The ABs in Perth in a couple of weeks time could be painful.

    • laurence king

      The commentators kept on about the greasy ball?

      • Steve

        I had heard that the conditions were great but the ground was wet? So I guess that would make both true?

      • Brisneyland Local

        The dew didnt set in until about 10 mins into the second half. The field was dry, it was the dropsies!

        • laurence king

          Appears that they were getting the excuses in early then.

        • Brisneyland Local

          Yep aided and abetted by the commentators. Hoss, KB and I were only about 15 rows back from the field. It was not wet and it was not cold when the game started. I was wearing my short sleeve Wallabies Jersey and was not cold til late in the second half. But by then I was also bored and pissed off with the quality of rugby.

        • Darrin Briggs

          I was at the ground it was truely perfect conditions….

        • Brisneyland Local

          Yeah I have no idea what they are talking about dewy conditions.

        • Who?

          Interestingly, Burkey noted on Channel 10 that the conditions were perfect, but for (in his words) a layer dampness on the grass. So it wasn’t just Fox.

        • Yowie

          The broadcasters (and therefore their on-screen mouthpieces) might have a vested interest in propping up the façade that we aren’t all watching a demonstration of poor skills.
          I’d love to hear Burkey, Sharpey and Gordon Bray narrate my average golf game “There’s that nasty cross-wind kicking in again right after the ball is struck”

        • Brisneyland Local

          I think the grass was cool. But I dont think it was wet. the temp hadnt dropped below the dew point yet.

    • UTG

      You must have missed the earlier game where the ABs turned over the pill 20 times.

      • Keith Butler

        No managed to see most of the game on the big screen at Suncorp. Biggest cheer of the evening when the Saffas scored the final try. Timing their run into the RWC perfectly. Their defensive pressure helped create the turnovers. Proves that the ABs are almost human after all but we’ll see in a couple of weeks. Need to raise our game a couple of levels to get a result – here’s hoping

        • UTG

          The rush defence helped somewhat but Read and Moody both dropped balls cold when they were hot on attack. They also couldn’t catch a high ball (note to Wallaby 10, put up the bomb on Rieko Ioane’s wing). We also heard a lot about how NZ had concocted some plan to counter the rush defence, I hope that wasn’t the plan.

        • Keith Butler

          Not related to this game but it will be interesting to see how the refs interpret the rush defence that is borderline offside come RWC. Time for the ARs to step up. Also, sort the bloody ruck out, its a clusterfuck of offending by all sides. Example, in the last 5 mins Argies have ruck inside their 22, Koribete comes from their side a gets away with it. The Argies drop a pass with a 4/2 overlap that could have resulted in a score, end of game. It was that sort of night.

        • UTG

          I’m with you 100% on ARs. I’m wondering if they’re fearful of seemingly overruling the ref or disrupting the game? One of their main roles is to control the offside line off scrums and lineouts, they need to send out a directive getting them to police it more strongly.

        • Brumby Runner

          And they need to keep a closer eye on offside chasers of kicks. Again yesterday. players chased from an offside position.

  • Hoss

    Good evening from the Banana Republic.

    Firstly huge shout out to Mr & Mrs Briz – incredible hosts and wonderful Earthlings, Mr Tynan was a pleasure to meet you and the Mayor of Tasmania – as always, terrific company.

    Interested to read the comments from those who saw it on the box to get your feel v my take on being there – not too dissimilar, but…..

    I never whinge after a blow-job, although sometimes they do hurt my lips and this is a win ! I should be happy right ? Relieved even ? Satisfied maybe ? Well, no, no and no. I get it will help the team and it’s a reward for effort but fuck me it was a dreadful affair. The gold might get out of our pool at Kill Bill but we ain’t going no further folks – that’s the sum of our ability Iam afraid and that was hammered
    Home tonight – take always from watching once live;
    – Kepu is done, he has blown a gasket and is cooked
    – FKA just don’t have it. Ineffective and an impostor
    – Hodge is slower live than on tv and I didn’t think that possible
    – Sanchez got the home-town Wally Lewis
    Vote for MOTM, the emotion outweighed the actual perf.
    – Segall used the bench poorly. Jones has to get 25-30 of game time and literally was waiting for 19 to get on, if not for the HIA for Isi I reckon he may not have got on at all
    – JOC got 11 minutes !! WTF did we learn ? At the ground he communicated well, aligned the D and made his tackles but 11 minutes ?????
    – Hooper runs everywhere but is the quality of his work not the quantity Are we really beating our chest cause Our 7 got one turnover ?
    All was not negative though:
    – Latu was good
    – ISI was good
    – Nic White is my run on 9
    – Lilo was good, solid and composed.
    – Kerevi was good

    What was obvious tonite gang is this – we are Under 100 days to go and we are 400 days away from being ready I

    Look forward to watching it again to get a better feel, but live we were a 4.5 from 19 and lucky the Pumas looked jaded and flat.

    • Keith Butler

      Irony monitor up and running. You forgot the slippery conditions that resulted in all the dropped pill, from both sides.

      • UTG

        In the post match interview Cheika said that the dew didn’t matter, guys should know how to catch and it’s a lack of concentration. No excuses from the Wallabies.

        • Keith Butler

          Exactly. Pushing that final pass instead of taking the contact and resetting. We made the same comment during the game.

    • Who?

      Glad you lads had a great night out. :-)
      .
      Sanchez’s first statement on Channel 10 when receiving MOTM was, “Probably just a sentimental award tonight.” :-)
      Nice to see genuine humility. It was his 73rd game at Suncorp (Tests and Super games), next is Simmons (71), then Holmes (70).
      Agree with much of what you said, but I though Latu was weaker in both scrum and lineout than Fainga’a. Notably weaker.

      • UTG

        Was the notably weaker with Latu? I thought our lineout was weaker when Arnold went off and Rodda started jumping at 2. I don’t remember Latu missing a throw. I’m also not sure about the scrum at all, we had a couple of scrum penalties on the Argie feed with Latu on. We also secured a penalty in front of the sticks that should have locked down the game, can’t ask much more than that.

        • Who?

          His throwing wasn’t missed, but it wasn’t straight, and it has no loop.
          The penalties with Latu on were more about 1 and 3 than 2 – we had strong success with the same props and a different hooker.
          He had no impact at the breakdown.
          He hasn’t earned the jersey on form, he’s not demonstrated clear form (his one success over Fainga’a was that Folau looked to start the niggle off every stoppage, where, amazingly, Latu was calmer), he’s not an incumbent, so he should be gaining that form in club land. Like everyone else.

        • UTG

          Oof, this is harsh. If the only criticism was that his throws “didn’t have any loop” and the penalties were “more about 1 and 3” he’s going alright. I disagree that he had no impact at the breakdown, he didn’t make any turnovers but he slowed the ball down a number of times, particularly when the Argies were on attack in our 22. He also ran very well with ball in hand. If he should be in club land then who are we playing instead (given Uelese is out) that’s going to do a better job?

        • Who?

          His lineout throwing is like Taf’s when Taf started out – it’s not a strength. I’ve sat there and watched him warm up, I don’t trust his throwing technique. Without any form of loop (and he has none), you’re easy pickings – jumpers don’t have to match up where you are, only when you throw. They can jump 5m in front of your man and pick off the ball. Loop is needed so you can land the ball on the jumper, not just throw it high and fast and hope the opposition doesn’t get up in front of you.
          On this week’s game, if you’ve got a dominant lineout where you’re getting away with crooked throws and maintaining a gap against an opposition who isn’t managing to maintain any form of gap, it’s not hard to come out and hit your target. The opposition lineout’s already struggling, they have no confidence and won’t challenge. It won’t be the same in a fortnight, when it’s the All Blacks and he’s throwing against Sam Whitelock, Scott Barrett and Kieran Read.
          .
          For reference on the lineout, this is largely the Jags lineout, which monstered the Brumbies, leading to major doubts over Fainga’a’s ability. This week, the Pumas hadn’t had a chance to analyse the Wallaby lineout (second time out this year, no data to reference – especially with a new locking combination), so they couldn’t do the equivalent of keying off McCaffrey (who they followed in the Brums game), and they largely weren’t a threat.
          Next game, the ABs will have had more of a chance to pull apart our system, English is their first language (in spite of claims by some on here!), they’ll be a much tougher challenge.
          .
          My point about the scrum is that he gave no significant advantage or disadvantage. Uelese did actually have an impact on both scrum and lineout during his 3 minutes last week (he threw a pie and, with Tupou, rampaged through a Bok scrum), Latu’s arrival was only notable for his absences from sideline stinks (unlike Fainga’a).
          .
          Who are we playing instead of him? Someone who starts for their province, who’s played more than 200 minutes of Rugby this season. Tolu’s at about 175 minutes so far. There’s other guys who are way over 600. Mafi, Rangi, BPA, they’ve all done way more to justify their place there than Latu. As mentioned previously, we can’t afford to trial multiple players in one position on potential – especially when we’re not doing that in any other position. Uelese’s there on potential (he’s done a few very good things, but for the most part, he’s not actually done anything – he’s not played that many games of Rugby). I can understand that. Latu’s had a Super contract for five years, has double digit Tests, something like 60 Super caps, yet still can’t start there and has only himself to blame for having played so few games this year (i.e. missing over half the season wasn’t through injury, he got himself suspended, twice).
          .
          Latu’s broken trust. And his on-field performances buy him no grace. Deans put up with the Amigos because they were brilliant on field. That’s not proven here. There’s many claims he’s our best potential hooker, well, until he starts proving himself to be among our best at Super level, then he’s no guaranteed Wallaby. He’s like Kane Douglas – our great tight five saviour, a bloke lauded for incredible Super performances in 2014 for the Tahs (which I believe would more accurately credited to JacPot – much talk about his ball carrying, when he was never a strong ball carrier), dragged back for a RWC challenge never having played a good game in Gold, who ended up leaving Australia again 3 years later having played precisely two good games in Gold (luckily, they were both in that RWC campaign). There’s long been debate over the legality of his jackalling technique (he’s just lucky that the refs don’t seem to care about technique anymore – for anyone), and that’s his USP. Everything else, he’s at best equal with others, if not behind.

    • Huw Tindall

      Hooper took the points every time. That’s the most impressive improvement on the last 3 years.

      Can’t believe you didn’t mention the scrum! Both starting and reserve front rows dominated. Glorious to see and ensured we didn’t lose control of the match even in the second half when the changes were rung and we lost shape.

      Agree Kepu is cooked. When 7As get’s back we may have seen his last game. Still worth taking to RWC as backup and experience plus a mentor to a lot of the young PI guys.

      Also agree FKA aka is off the pace. Played better than last week but I’d take Valentini or Samu in a heart beat. Probably that would be my only change heading into the ABs in a couple of weeks. Maybe a different winger instead of Hodge but he did well tonight and we used his cannon leg a few times.

      • Hoss

        Morning mate. Agree scrum was good, probably even more so with all 3 replacements on, but it’s what we did with that platform that irritates. As for ‘slippery’ conditions you would not get a better night and conditions for rugby. It’s been clear skies and 26 degrees the 3 days Ive been here – almost like the ads, ‘beautiful one day……’

        IMI – Overall the gold just don’t have their mojo. They kind of look as though they are waiting for the next guy to do something rather than saying ‘give it to me, give it to me’. There is hope though, just through their body language and confidence and rugby intelligence displayed last night, White and JOC must must start in one of the 2 Nearlies Tests. I get the sneaking suspicion that as good as Kerevi is at 12 I’d be tempted to bump him to 13 and put JOC at 12 I reckon there’s some real pay dirt there.

        • mark conley

          stirring my juices Hoss

        • Hoss

          Put Pataia in for Hodge and it’s taking shape

        • AllyOz

          I think there are a few options for that 10/12/13 combination and they can determine the attacking strategies we adopt.
          1. second playmaker – Lilo, JOC, Kerevi/Petaia
          2. double punch – Lilo, Kerevi, Kurindrani
          3. punch and speed – Lilo, Kerevi, Petaia

          I think Petaia, from what I have seen, is the more rounded 13 of all the options – I am just a bit concerned he doesn’t have enough footy. (and also Sunnybank now know all of Wests backline moves because of him – but given in both cases all the moves for either side would have been some for of “get it to JP” then I don’t suppose it really matters.

        • UTG

          I’d like to see Petaia start on the wing first before we stick him at 13. The kid’s a freak and slated Wallaby till 2030 but he played one full game of Super this year and a lisfranc injury can be nasty. No rush with him.

        • Who?

          Banks for Hodge, Beale on the bench with JOC at 15 (brings the second playmaking option), Kerevidrani.
          .
          Petaia’s got a huge future, but all the talk about dropping him in here? Seriously premature. He’s a 19 year old who’s played 1.25 games this year, had a few good games last year. He’s got at least two more RWC’s in him (at a mere 23 and 27), maybe 3 (at 31).
          .
          Kerevi’s our best 12, arguably best in the world. He’s not just a crashballer, he threw some good passes and made a great kick (almost put TK away for the untouched try with his chase on it), we shouldn’t be rushing to change him out of his natural position. Kuridrani’s our clear best defensive back. Any defensive success we’ve had in the last 6 years is off the back of him. He’s a decent attacker who will improve in his combination with Kerevi with time. They have the potential to be the best centre pairing in the world this year.
          .
          As such, I don’t see the rush to push either of them out of position for a guy who has no greater claim to that particular jersey, or arguably a jersey at all (going off form). Jerseys need to be earned, not handed out.
          The only way you could get a jersey more easily than everyone’s looking to give Petaia one is to wear sky blue! :-P

        • AllyOz

          All very good points Who?. I was more generally looking at the overall types of centres we have and what that may imply with the approach we take rather than urging a particular selection. I am pretty happy with the current centre pairing although I think the game that Kerevi is being asked to play with the Wallabies seems a little more limited just at the moment than the style he adopted in his best games for the Reds.

          Yes Petaia is very young. That on its own shouldn’t rule him out but the fact that he has had a couple of club games in the last two weeks and not much else all season is enough to keep him in the broader squad but not in the 23. I would like to see him in the tour squad. It will be good for his development and he is already ahead of some of the other options.

          I don’t doubt that Kerevi & Kuridrani can be much improved and I thought Lilo brought out more of both of them last weekend. I don’t think they will be the best combination this year as I think a number of the possible All Black combinations are better but they can be amongst the best.

          I agree Kerevi is the best in his position and shouldn’t be moved out.

          I like the type of outside centre that I think JP is or is becoming and I am a bit disappointed that we wont see that kerevi & JP combination develop at the Reds and be available for the Wallabies over the next couple of years but hopefully we do see it back together in time for 2023.

    • Yowie

      Lasting 11 minutes is pretty good after a long dry spell.

      • OnTheBurst

        Boom boom

    • Andy

      I couldn’t watch that again. I would need a new tv…..

      But for our starting 15 in 2 weeks and moving forward I would like to see Kepu, LSL and Hodge replaced.

      Kepu swaps out with 7A’s.

      Prob should give Jones a chance at 6 but longer term I’m more keen on Samu. He should be on the pine at the very least.

      I would give JOC a go on the wing especially if we think it’s ok for hodge to play there.

      • Uncle Tony

        Thumbs up on that assessment. Surely the only reason that Hodge is in the starting 15 is that he can punt the ball over the posts from outside our own half.

        For mine also, Banks to start at 15 with Beale warming the pine, White to start with Genia on the bench and Pete Samu to start at 8 when fit.

        • Andy

          I’m not a massive Beale supporter but he does bring some creativity from 15 despite his defence being abhorrent most of the time. And if we are playing runners and off-loaders at 11,12,13,14 it’s not a bad option to have 15 who can ball play. On Banks, would have loved to see him at wing on the weekend over hodge.

          All this talk of Hodges kicking being an asset is overrated imo. His kicking hasn’t improved since he came in the scene. Sure, he can get serious distance but his accuracy is all over the shop. His penalty touch finders on last night were very average. They just went straight out.

        • Brumby Runner

          Much as I like Pete Samu, he should not replace Isi at No 8. If he starts then it is at No 6, but I think a bench spot is probably what awaits him. Can’t see Cheika dropping Hooper, so Poey looks like he’ll fill the starting No 6 position.

    • AllyOz

      I watched the game while also dealing with an at times fairly vicious bout of diarrhoea (normally this is a fairly common post match ailment but it came early this week). So please understand that I am missing the odd two or three minutes of play scattered rather unevenly through the game.

      My first thought was that bad sides used to draw us down to their level – the Italy’s and Argies of the past used to have us fumbling and f^@&ing about. Now it appears that we too can draw a skillful and well drilled Argie side down to our level. The game had some great passages and there were some definite signs of improvement but, if you were cutting the rotten bits out of this bag of potatoes you wouldn’t have enough for a packet of chips (I may be overstating it a bit).

      Some other comments:
      Lilo put in the best performance from a Wallaby 10 in a good while – we have seen five used in recent times and I would rate him the best. I would have liked to have seen him on.

      Toomua had a couple of early errors when he replaced him but defensively was strong.

      I thought Hooper had a good game both in defence and on the ball – he can play a traditional 7 role well when he is instructed (and he took the points too when offered, which was good…particularly for my heart condition).

      The mass changes in the backline after half time didn’t allow for much consistency. Ideally I would have like to have seen Lilo at 10, JOC at 12 and either of the K’s at 13 for some amount of time – just to see how that worked but you can’t have everything. Having both Toomua and JOC on the bench with

      I liked Korobeite’s game, I liked it a lot. He is limited in what he can do perhaps when compared to other players who have grown up in the game but what he does he does very well (or he did this week anyway).

      Strong scrum and lineout was a key difference from last week. My thoughts going into the game were that, with Ledesma coaching and knowing our strengths and weaknesses so well, that the scrum was going to be a real struggle but it wasn’t and it set a platform and provided us with possession through penalties.

      I liked the Genia, Lilo combination for the most part. Genia’s running game was an improvement on some of his most recent Super performances and his passing game was strong – at least in the good patches. When it was working they were passing to space and making the runners run to those spaces.

      Defensively the commentators (or at least some of them) said the more passive or watchful defensive line speed would be tested by the All Blacks and perhaps it will but I certainly don’t miss the pattern where we send up a single defensive rusher and whatever we do its more important that we do it as a unit and trust in each other.

      There were some really rough patches – a little bit of headless chook stuff when all the reserves, sorry “finishers” came on, but shit, we won it, so that’s better than the alternative.

      There are some talented players among this group, some really hard workers too like Jones and Hooper and Isi (LSL should be in the side but as a lock/blindside/8 option coming off the bench IMO).

  • Mike Thompson

    I’m so impressed by Nick White. Such a quick accurate pass. Good option taking.

    • Keith Butler

      The Argentine scrum is pretty crap but Sio was good. Cannot say the same about Kepu.

      • Max Graham

        Tough crowd. I thought Kepu looked pretty good. May not have made lots of breaks or kicked 50m field goals, but he did his job in the scrum and did very well at the ruck in the first half. That’s his job.

    • Bobas

      We scored one try, at home against Argentina… if you think the attack coach is anything other than Cheika’s canary then you need your head read.

      • Huw Tindall

        The ABs scored one try (intercept to Retalick) last week so I guess their attack is as sh!te as ours then.

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          The All Blacks scored two didn’t they?

          Anyway, they played their b team against Argentina.

      • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

        One try off a set piece play, with a better selected team than last year. Yeah, the attack was pathetic.

      • Mike Thompson

        We opened up Argentina more effectively than the All Blacks.
        We opened up the Boks more effectively than the All Blacks (first half in particular).

        Yes, there were mistakes, terrible passes, can’t pick up the bouncing ball, etc. But those are skill level faults. To me, the underlying attacking pattern looked well organised and well understood by the players, and it “worked” regularly in terms of creating opportunities – that’s down to the attacking coach.

        • UTG

          Completely agree. We’ve created so many opportunities both weeks we’ve just rushed everything after the initial linebreak. We lost our mojo when Lilo went off, if we scored a try and went up by more than two converted tries I reckon we would have run in a few more.

    • Parker

      I don’t get how the guy who rescued the Wallaby scrum years back can’t do the same as head coach with his own country’s team, one that used to be noted for the powerful scrummaging. Scratching my head

      • Keith Butler

        i don’t think Mario has the quality cattle.

        • Yowie

          They had Jonathan Thurston playing for them at No. 5

      • For whatever reason, Argentina seems to have stopped producing the big cattle. I think they said (not unreasonably) “we’re a 1-dimensional side, we need to focus on producing skilful backs” but their player base is too small, and they stopped producing the big, powerful scrummagers too. They’ve got some great back row forwards but their pack was something like 60 kg lighter than the Wallabies. Technique can make up for a lot, but nearly 10kg per man… that’s tough.

        I’m guessing it will improve as they settle down and as the Jaguares do better and get established properly, assuming they have a long term future, but to fill Kearns’ complaint on its head, they’re basically trying to build a test side from one professional franchise. Scotland and Italy lack depth with 2 franchises.

        • Keith Butler

          Hit the nail on the head again Eloise. A class player like Matera is wasted if his front 5 can’t cut it. Their props are lightweight. Gone are the days of Ledesma and Rodriguez.

        • Who?

          It’s also worth noting that the new scrum requirements even further weaken them, as they’ve long lived on the legend of the Bajada, and have attempted to replicate it. Which was basically the move that’s been made illegal – pincering in on the hooker from the set.
          .
          EDIT: So they need to reset their technique, as well as find bigger players. And, obviously, no Creevy last night.

        • That may have exacerbated it this year, but their scrum has not been the monster it used to be for a 2-3 years now. I guess 4 years really with some retirements after the 2015 RWC but quite a few other sides took a step back too and it wasn’t as obvious in the first year, but as they recovered and the Pumas’ pack didn’t it really became clear.

          I would guess it might be an issue for a while, great props take a while to mature…

      • Mike Thompson

        The Wallabies were coming off a lower base?

    • Hoss

      Just run into Koribete and Naisarani at the airport flying home. Sitting having lunch and they’ve walked up and said ‘aren’t you Hoss?’ – what could i do but pose with them – I hate being recognised in public.

      • Keith Butler

        Glad to see that the boys turned up in response to my ‘make Hoss’s day’ message. I invited Cheks as well but let slip that BL might drop in to deliver some sage advice then I really stuffed up by uttering the magic words ‘ass clown’ and he politely declined.

    • GO THE Q REDS

      I think you’ll find the biggest change is when Foley isn’t running the attack……

    • Darrin Briggs

      Wallabies attack??? We scored one try and looked void of ideas for most of the game.

  • Will

    Did anyone catch the foxtel coverage with the Phil Kearns narrated Cheika montage prior to the game – was anyone else throwing up in their mouths?

    Good to see a win. Two in a row would be a miracle.

    • Andy

      Did notice this. Justifies why Kearns would have been a terrible CEO. Another mate in the room for Cheika, no impartiality.

  • Patrick

    Well I’m pretty depressed after that, because I made the mistake of watching the other game first and I felt like this was the b-league :(

    On the bright side we didn’t have Foley, and Lilo looked a lot better, but gee I wish we had Folau and Pocock, and I would have liked to see JOC start and get replaced by Beale, because we have very few gamebreakers.

  • Huw Tindall

    Wish it was TK signing overseas (60 tests now) rather than Kerevi. He will be such a big hole in the side over the next two years. I understand he has family reasons to cash in and RA couldn’t offer him anymore money than they did (would have been second highest paid behind Hooper who is now highest after Folau went bang) but sheez is it a kick in the nuts. We should have had a whip around and have a fan top up for his contract too!

    • Brisneyland Local

      I am in for that!

    • GO THE Q REDS

      Folou will probably still remain the highest “paid by RA”…..

  • Max Graham

    Lots of negativity here. I must have watched a different game because I’m relieved. Not so much at the result, but the evidence that suggests a game plan exists and our players have brains. Plenty of errors from both teams but this is common for Brisbane night games. I thought the pack worked extremely well at the tackle/ruck in the first half. Best first half from the Gold I’ve seen in a long time. I might be Robin Crusoe, but the first half I saw had Wallaby pigs sprinting into rucks, removing Argies and creating fast ball. Thought the Argies were allowed to take some shortcuts at the ruck – ref seemed to refer to ruck laws of 10 years ago. LSL was pretty good and I’m surprised he’s getting a pasting online. Maybe he’d get more love if he hung back and waited for a chance to shine with the ball. Easier for some to see his work that way. Genia was fantastic – save for one or two errors, he was exceptional. Lilo was very good. Did he miss a tackle? Even better, his tackles were very effective. This week there were no easy 10-30 metres to be had at the 10 channel. Hard to underestimate how important that is, and it’s not something that’s included on YouTube highlights so hard to many Oz rugby fans (or head coaches?) to realize. I’m a fan of Toomua but will he surprised if he sees another gold jersey in 2019.

    We weren’t perfect but we were better than we’ve been for a long time.

    Second half was pants! We lost all shape when Lilo went off. Big pigs were a yard or two slower so started getting turned over more often. Definitely lacked backrow impact from the bench. Jones and Simmons (with LSL at 6) is the weirdest selection I’ve seen since Eales moved to no 8. LSL and Naisirani played full games, which is crazy! Perhaps some weird trade offs happening at the selection table? What’s the point at giving JOC and Jones 5 mins to show their wares?

    Keen to hear from the Latu haters this week. Hello? No calls for Hugh Roach or Rangi this week? Weird…… He came on and did his thing. Tupou and Slipper getting the raps for the scrum dominance in the 2nd half but I’ve no doubt Latu deserves a cut. He and Faingaa had ripper games! And Luke Hodge is much better than I thought he was. His first half was good! He did some really good things. I’m shocked!
    Naisirani had his best game ever. Hooper was outstanding!
    Best thing was that the Wobs’ players trusted each other in defence. Plenty of times, Argie opportunities were culled by Oz players making smart choices and not getting tunnel vision for the ball carriers. I haven’t seen that from the Wallabies in many years! It’s the thing that I’m most happy about. I’m starting to think we have the ability to get out of our RWC!!!

  • Max Graham

    And some more good news. Pocock apparently looking good for the RWC. Samu played club footy yesterday. Those two will make a huge difference!
    Petaia played club footy last week. If Cheika has any balls, he’ll start him at 13 next week.

    We are going to give Georgia the worst beating they’ve had since they bumped into Subatai and his mates!

    • Fatflanker

      Jeez that is good news – we’re going to lose that 4th lineout option when Pocock comes back in though.

      • Brumby Runner

        Assuming the Pooper is retained. It is looking like Poey might have to fit in at 6 though. A backrow of Valetini, Pocock, Naisarani is mouthwatering.

    • Hoss

      Pataia also played club footy yesterday and I saw him at Suncorp walk past us – looks fit. Cheika was able to pull strings and get him to ‘swap’ clubs for the round as his usual side had a bye so he ran out for a new side to get him some game time.

      • RugbyReg

        Wests has the bye yesterday. Who did Petaia play for?

        • Hoss

          From memory Easts mate. Was in the Australian yesterday. Cheik got involved and organised a special concession for the ‘swap’ so JP could get a run. He must be in the frame for RWC for that to happen.

        • Andy

          That’s a good sign. If he is available I would even play him on Hodges wing.

  • Keith Butler

    Seeing a game live and watching it again on tv gives a totally different perspective so I’ll reserve final judgement so just a few observations. The LSL experiment should finally be over, there are way better genuine 6s to select from. Kepu, once a great prop is now past his sell by date. Scrum was impressive but the Argentina scrum has not been feared weapon it once was. Tupou should at least be given one starting game before the RWC just to see how he stands up. O’Connor and Jones might as well of stayed on the pine. They were stripped off and ready to go 10 mins before they actually made it onto the park and had no chance to make a meaningful contribution. I’m sure that BL will comment later, off his long run and lobbing a few pineapples as he goes but Sanchez should be given a pair of latex gloves before the game so that he can get his hands dirty at ruck time.

    • Brumby Runner

      Many good comments KB, but your take on Genia is outstanding. He was the target of my only shout at the TV this game again for his refusal to do the hard stuff at the back of the ruck.

      • Keith Butler

        I chose my words carefully for humorous effect. BL comments on Sanchez’s performance at the game we’re somewhat less complimentary.

  • Yowie

    Great article, however the Juvenile Pun Society notes that you didn’t shoehorn “Argie-bargie” into this sentence:-
    “…while the Argies raised their niggle game and it looked to be putting the home team off.”

    • Keith Butler

      Nah, it was manbags at 20 paces. Hardly worth breaking sweat for.

  • Bobas
    • Brisneyland Local

      Gold. I love Simpson Meme’s!
      It would have been good to bring him on to get some real game time.

  • Bernie Chan

    Synthetic, dimpled balls and almost perfect night conditions…the dropsies can’t be blamed on the conditions, just poor skills/execution. JOC needs more game time, and he is a way better winger than Hodge as well as a fine kicker of the ball. The reserve front row really touched up the Pumas scrum…That was a really ugly win, but at least it was a win!

    • Brisneyland Local

      Yep we will take it, but boy it was uglier than a bull dog eating custard!

      • Yowie

        haha, I’ll be borrowing that expression for general use.

        • Brisneyland Local

          Yep one of my favourites that one.

  • GO THE Q REDS

    Pretty solid game by almost everyone……. INCLUDING the Wallaby 10. Wow, haven’t said that for awhile! Foley is done as considering that was Leafanos 1st game in forever he showed plenty. Toomua has shown Zero aswell……. Bring in Quade and ditch Hodge. JOC and Beale can be our utulity players while we still need another dedicated wing threat. Naivalu…or even Petaia.
    Well done wallabies…… Poor effort Cheika!

  • Keith Butler

    We have to thank you big time for setting this up. A pleasure to meet up and put faces to names. As I posted earlier, watching the TV game puts a different perspective on things. I was expecting lobbed pineapples but got well reasoned commentary. Cannot disagree with anything you’ve said. An annual event would be perfect. Have to wait and see where next years internationals are played. Cheers.

    • Brisneyland Local

      Was a pleasure to meet you. NExt year we hope to meet Lindy too. Hope you had a safe trip back!

  • Darrin Briggs

    I was at the game and it was a perfect night perfect conditions to play rugby. But it was far from perfect rugby it was an ugly game and we won ugly. A few observations.
    Our defensive line speed is shocking and we are going to be seriously found out. Backline performed so much better without Foley. It still lacked flair and pace. Scrum dominance was good but the Wallabies are a much bigger team and again this weight advantage will be nullified when we play better teams. Kepu was struggling. The use of the bench was ridiculous and ruined the game. Toomua was poor when he came on and his missed kick at goal could have cost us the game. There was absolutely no pressure at the breakdown and LSL is no number 6. Other options must be tried but the Pooper isn’t the answer. Thought our kicking game was much better especially without Foley. Much improvement needed if we are going to make it out of our Pool in the world cup. Unfortunately I watched the All Blacks play South Africa beforehand and we looked like we were in a lower division.

  • GeorgiaSatellite

    And the second week in a row that we’ve lost the ball due to no halfback. I don’t know where Genia was (White last week), but somebody please step in!!

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