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Wallaby Ratings – Bledisloe III

Wallaby Ratings – Bledisloe III

1. Scott Sio

Kept improving throughout the game and ended up with the upper hand in the scrum. Made his tackles and chipped in with some great carries. Back to career best form. 8

2. Tatafu Polota-Nau

Very similar to Sio without the effective carries but with pin-point like lineout throwing. Set the platform for Moore. 8

3. Sekope Kepu

Another strong contributor in all facets of the game. It was a brave decision to opt for fresh legs when Kepu and Sio were playing as well as they were. 8

4. Rob Simmons

Hard to rate, a solid game with a dumb penalty and some even dumber back chat. Made all his tackles and went off with a serious head injury early in the 2nd half. Let’s hope for a full and quick recovery. 6


5. Adam Coleman

A huge attacking work rate was backed up by his usual defensive effort. Coleman made the most runs of any forward with 13.  8

6. Jack Dempsey

Slipped through for metres on almost every carry with his unique left-foot step. A fantastic steal early in the 2nd half was the icing on another solid attacking and defending wallaby performance. After the game he joined the matching watch club with Foley, Beale and Izzy. Rugby.com.au is saying, “he is now the poster boy for Generation Next.” 8


7. Michael Hooper (c)

Hooper was a ruck clearing wrecking ball this game. A tight and excellent performance from the Wallaby captain. His inspired decision to kick to the corner was brilliant as was his decision to back his long range kicker after his no. 1 was having an off night. 8

8. Sean McMahon 

Wawaweewa! A highlight reel performance against the best team in the world. Made one less metre than Damian McKenzie (who gets the cheap fullback ones). His 30m from his own red zone, showcased his ever persistent leg drive which busted several tackles well and put Australia truly back on top of the arm-wrestle that was this test match. His body on-the-line slide to take a loose lineout ball was also game changing. 9 – G&GR MOTM


9. Will Genia (vc)

Solid ruck service under pressure. Heavily involved in every part of Australia’s play and like most other players seemed to improve throughout the game. 99/7 passes/runs is significant when compared with A. Smith 36/1. 7


10.  Bernard Foley (vc)

A poor night with the boot and a lot of handling errors in tough conditions, a couple of missed tackles too. Thankfully none of this cost us too much, he did some good things too and was on the end of a massive tackle that he took like a champ. 4

11. Reece Hodge

Cometh the hour, cometh the man. Hodge’s long range penalty to put the wallabies up by 5 was vital as it forced the Kiwis to work for a try instead of a shot at goal (which they weren’t able to do). His early intercept and run away try was classy and he was solid on defence too. 8

12. Kurtley Beale

Beale looked to be targeted early by the Darkness and it forced him into a lot of errors and nothing kicks. He bounced back later in the game and was able to beat defenders and break the line. Too many dropped balls though. 5

13. Tevita Kuridrani

Similar to Beale. TK seemed to be rattled early and made errors, but after getting stripped by SBW he didn’t put a foot wrong on attack and did what he does, which is straighten and bend the line, offering Genia fast, clean ball. 6

14. Marika Koroibete

Like Hodge, didn’t see a lot of ball, but when he does you just know he’ll get the job done. Shuts down space with his speed, but also his balance, on defence. His second half try was clinical and there will be plenty more like it from a player who is in his first year of elite rugby. 7


15. Israel Folau

Shredded 7 tackles, offloaded twice, scored a try to finish the first half and threw the last pass for Koroibete’s try.  112 metres from his 17 runs. He can also catch a high-ball. 8


16. Stephen Moore

Effective off the bench in a famous victory of his final home test. A fitting send off to one of the best Hookers world rugby has produced. 6

17. Tom Robertson

A scrum penalty, but some good defence when he came on for Sio in the final 15 minutes. 5

18. Allan Alaalatoa

Finished well coming on for Kepu. 6

19. Lukhan Tui

Played almost all of the second half coming on for the injured Simmons. A staggering 11 runs in that time that took a huge amount of stopping. 7

20. Ned Hanigan

Played the last 8 minutes.

21. Nick Phipps

Played the last 6 minutes.

22. Samu Kerevi

Drew a penalty that Hodge sealed the result with.

23. Henry Speight

Unused replacement.


10 – A legendary performance to go down in the history books
9 – Outstanding performance: Man of the match shoo-in
8 – Excellent all-round game
7 – Good game with a few sparkles
6 – Solid performance
5 – Average – ho hum
4 – Below par
3 – Had a bad game
2 – Tell your story walking pal
1 – A complete joke

Player Ratings – Wallabies vs All Blacks

  • jamie

    Think we’ve found our long term Blindside option in Dempsey.

    Nothing we can do to keep McMahon? Back Row was fantastic.

    Foley-Beale (other than Folau’s try) had shockers but somehow the rest of our backline stood up and killed it.

    Hodge, McMahon, Dempsey Huge. (Funny to think these guys weren’t 1st XV at the start of the season)

    Folau finally delivered against the ABs

    Up the mighty Wallabies

    • A Instagram post of McMahon’visiting’ Ballymore gives me hope.

    • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

      Jamie, Dempsey is very good but he will be up against some stiff competition next year.

      Pocock is coming back and must be almost assured of a starting spot. Under Cheika Hooper is assured of a starting spot.

      Then we have Naisarani, who was a revelation, and offers that line bending power and is a great line out target (the number 8 we’ve needed since Kefu, or at least young Palu). Plus there is Valetini, who is young and looks the goods.

      • jamie

        Depending on how the ruck is refereed next year, Pocock could become an impact bench player. When are the ruck laws changing?

        • Who?

          Now. They’ve already changed up north, and I believe we play under them this November.

        • Christopher

          Paid sabbatical for a bench player….

        • jamie

          Yeah, because bench players have never won games off their own back.

          And regarding his contract, look at it as a 2 year contract paid over 3 years. He was offered $2.4 mil a year in the UK…

        • Christopher

          Not questioning the mans worth. I’m merely chuckling at the thought of the highest paid player being a bench player

    • RedAnt

      The back row was immense – in the second half. Read and Cane in particular were schooling them in the first half but you’ve got to admire the way they hung in there, kept fighting, and became dominant by the end of the match.

    • Simon

      We just need a McMahon Clause. :)

      • Alister Smith

        That might read…”anyone that decent can come back and play for the Wallabies regardless of how many games they’ve played previously”.

        • MisterDel

          “Any player who has played minutes in a game where the Wallabies beat the All Blacks can be recalled for the Wallabies regardless of other eligibility requirements” ?

        • jamie

          That would make Toomua eligible too. And Nic White. I like this law.

        • Parker

          Steady on, that sounds like meritocracy and it might frighten off a few folk.

        • Alister Smith

          Don’t worry, I don’t think it will happen

    • Andy

      And a 2nd rower. Tui has to be Coleman’s partner from here on end with either Arnold and/or Rodda off the pine. All 4 offer power in the carry and good physicality in defence.

      • Seb V

        Not sold of any of them yet as starting locks along side Coleman just yet. They all need to up their workrate and consistency. Both Arnold and Tui look proven solid impact players, now they just need to be moulded into 80min players. Rodda is a bit meh so far.

        • Andy

          Fair play

    • Duvstar

      Anyone got a clip/gif of that McMahon charge up the middle? Apologies, know it’s lazy but I want to spend tomorrow at work watching it every hour

      • jamie

        G&GR’s facey page posted a video of it. It should be X-Rated…

  • Pedro

    Good ratings.

    Reece Hodge must wonder what it takes to get motm. Dogged by seiko now gagr.

    • Bobas

      Seiko ‘Tah of the Match’ Watch

    • Seb V

      Nah I would have given it to McMahon.

  • BigNickHartman

    Thanks for these Bobas. That stat about Sean McMahon running 1 less metre than Damian McKenzie is amazing

  • Who?

    Last time we beat the ABs, Foley had a shocker. An absolute shocker. This time we beat the ABs, Foley is the lowest rated player on the park – started the game with a mistake (caused the first turnover), missed some kicks… Maybe we just need him to play badly every time we play the ABs? :-P
    I’d have had Folau a point or two lower. Did some good work, scored a try, but ran far too hard sideways, stealing space from Marika (because his drift was harder towards the left sideline). Marika got through DMac for his try, but Folau did steal more space than he needed there. And the other two times we had significant raiding opportunities down the left wing, Folau didn’t give the ball. One time he did score, but it was a 3 on 2 overlap and he held the ball. The other time, he ran 15m sideways and 15m forward, 3 on 2, didn’t give the ball but got tackled.
    Squad for the BaaBaas game is out. Of that starting team, only Folau and Dempsey are in the team. Folau because he’s not going to Japan or Europe, Dempsey because he’s had no Rugby. Both Foley and Beale are out. I’m guessing that one of Hunt or Paia’aua will be 10 for the ‘Wallabies’… Makes it a pretty weird team to be labelled Wallabies. Sure, it’s not a Test, and there’s a bit of Rugby coming up, but I’d have thought a few of the starters could’ve grabbed some bench time.

    • onlinesideline

      looks like QC is well an truly out of the picture.

      • Who?

        Which makes sense, given Cheika knew before Bledisloe 1 that he wouldn’t be needing Quade. It says that Quade could’ve singlehandedly destroyed whatever team Cheika might’ve chosen to put out there, and still not been selected. That it wasn’t about enjoyment. Or form. It’s just Cheik’s choice.

      • Adrian

        I see what you mean online, but really Foley’s main role is to link to the main creator in the Cheika playbook, which is the 12. I think he does that job very well. His kicking is not so good, and already Beale and Hodge are doing some general and releiviing kicks, and Hodge goal kicking.

        BTW, I think Cooper is a 70% chance for EOY trip despite Cheika utterings

        • onlinesideline

          Unless you have mail no-one else has I think he’s done mate. Cheika has had Quade do tours twice or 3 times before, with a lot of bench warming. I dont think hes going to do that anymore, hes looking for new blokes. Really think Quade has been given the royal boot.

        • Adrian

          No, no inside knowledge, just the logic that he’ll need a 5/8 for the bench IF Foley is injured, and Beale is playing 5/8 in any match from the kickoff.

          Cheika language lately suggests this could be his thinking

      • dane

        I agree with those points regarding Foley. I think what he does offer is safe linking with his backs, solid decision making (doesnt have many clangers), and a well time short passing game.

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          His long passing is shit and his decision making is crap.

          He offers a good running game, good support play and passing of the ball onto Beale to do his playmaking job for him.

      • Seb V

        I agree. His strength though,and you have to give credit where credit is due is his running game. Maybe not the deadliest step but he finds holes and makes breaks, also a great support player – nothing that screams great flyhalf though.

    • Alister Smith

      I don’t think they really needed the Barbarians game off the back of all the travel in the RC and a third ABs game. it might be that the ARU/RA need the money, it might good to get some of the bench players and training squad players some time (but there is the NRC if its just about getting some game time). It might be a chance to give Sydney spectators another game when there is no competition from NRL, AFL but Sydney rugby fans had plenty of chances to see almost as many “wallabies” running around for the Waratahs when they played local derbies and they didn’t show up. Alan Jones’ expose might help boost the crowd but otherwise I can’t understand. On Foley I would agree he didn’t have much of a game, KB probably not a great deal better. However, I think the thinking with QC is that while he can be brilliant (and at times a bit shit) that in the longer term those around him don’t go that well. Perhaps that is because he takes too much on himself and tries to do it all. It seems very difficult to get an inside centre that plays well outside him. I don’t think QC had much of a year with the Reds, appeared to be playing injured most of the year and down a bit on speed and still, IMO, hasn’t developed into a world class play maker – has some really awesome big plays and great subtle touches but doesn’t regularly manage the game to get the most out of those around him. Foley is behind him in a number of areas but I think, even when playing poorly, he does get more out of those around him and he also has had some reasonable games this year. Having said that, I think the 10 that wins us a World Cup hasn’t played for the Wallabies yet. I am not sure who he is but hopefully he will emerge on tour or in next year’s SR (which will be hard given we have incumbents at the Reds and Waratahs and a Kiwi at the Brumbies (that might have changed)). I would have loved to see what development Matt Toomua would have made over the past 18 months if he had stayed.

      • Who?

        I get that the starting Wallabies don’t ‘need’ the game, I just don’t think you can call the team the ‘Wallabies’ when only two of them are current Wallabies.
        I thought Beale and Foley’s ratings were fair. Not Beale’s best game, think maybe he was trying a bit too hard, and so things didn’t come off as consistently as they have for most of the year. But his on field leadership was good.
        I don’t get where this idea that QC makes guys around him look bad comes from. If you’re looking for a black hole who sucks the light from the stars around him, that was Stephen Donald. Made Ma’a Nonu and Piri Weepu look poor, when both were awesome.
        QC’s played for the Reds where he’s had Genia at 9 (clearly doesn’t make Genia look bad), now Frisby and Tuttle at 9 (Frisby I believe was always a bit overrated, and many are now talking up Tuttle), then guys like Ant Fainga’a and Duncan Paia’aua outside him. His combinations with Barnes and Toomua for the Wallabies were consistent and positive. His combinations with Beale, JOC and Ioane were all extremely productive. I can’t think of a player who looked poorer for being around QC..?
        I do agree that QC didn’t have his best year with the Reds, but it was a year where his form followed his forwards (i.e. good for 60), and the men outside him (Paia’aua, Kerevi, Hunt) were allowed to shine (that doesn’t happen if the 10 isn’t getting them the ball, if the 10’s trying to do it all himself).
        QC may not be the answer, he may be, but the reality is that he’s not Cheika’s answer. So to pretend that he might be by putting out the line, “Quade needs to look like he’s enjoying his Rugby,” as the excuse for not picking him is pretty disingenuous from Cheika. He’s just another player – along with Fardy and there’s a few others who have been speculated to be in the same situation – that doesn’t fit Cheika’s personal preferences. Which isn’t to do with whether they’re the best players in the country, it’s about other matters.

        • Alister Smith

          yes fair enough – i didnt personally think Ant Fainga’a thrived with QC – i think he went backwards and never really recovered from it. I wouldn’t blame him for ruining Nick Frisby – he seemed to do that all on his own. Having said that he . But Quade seems to split opinion and I admit I have never really been a fan. Like Carlos Spencer he has moments of individual brilliance and can do the most inconceivable thing but, IMO, lacks consistency and game management. Having said that, under the right coaches (McKenzie) he was a match winner and perhaps the reason he has progressed is because he hasn’t had the best mentors since. As for Cheika’s personal preferences, well yes it clearly isn’t Quade. Hopefully he will be on the EOYT as I think he is still in the best two current options. I just want to see where our next playmaker is coming from because, as you rightly point out, Foley has some limitations.
          With Fardy he was an excellent player and Cheika stuck with him a while. The only thing I can think of is that he made the decision to go overseas. Now with McMahon Cheika has continued to pick him even though he has also made that same decision. However, Fardy is at the other end of his career and isn’t likely to come back to Super Rugby and will be 35 by the next World Cup. (Not a reason to drop someone but if they are also playing overseas and you want to bring on some other players then the combination of the two probably rules him out).

        • Who?

          I didn’t see enough of Ant at the Brums to be confident, but Ant became a Wallaby after winning the title in 2011, which means when he was playing with Quade. When Ant was at 12 – and I always maintained he was a better 12 than 13 (I have no idea why Deans picked McCabe when he changed style in 2011 – Ant was similarly insanely brave (a compliment to both, not a chip against McCabe – always rated his commitment), but was at least used to playing 12 and had a combination with the 10 inside him), where he could distribute as needed, could organize the defence, and was willing to run the crash ball if needed. So I don’t think Ant’s decline was caused by Quade, I think it was caused by him being shifted out to 13, which didn’t suit him as much.
          Fardy was an excellent player, but Cheika didn’t stick with him at all. How many caps did Mumm get in 2015 and 16 over Fardy, who was clearly the best 6 in the Australian conference..? I get that Fards won’t make 2019, so I’d have released him to Ireland, too. Not as rapidly – I might well have kept him for the Rugby Championship – but he’d be in Ireland for the EOYT. My issue isn’t about now, it’s about the past.

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          Imagine if we had had Fardy rather than Hanigan in Dunedin.

        • Parker

          I think Fardy opted for overseas when he saw Cheika’s writing on the wall. Not the other way round. Fardy’s exile is all Cheika’s doing and it boggles my mind that such a talent could be squandered like that.

    • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

      He does play badly every time we play the All Blacks. His kicking cost us the win in Dunedin.

      • Who?

        Maybe not every time, but seemingly the worse his personal performance, the better the team’s performance. It’d be hilarious if it wasn’t baffling!

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          If only it worked the same way against England. We would have won the series 3-0.

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          Imagine how good we would be if the team won every time Phipps put in a terrible performance. We’d have been ranked number one for 2-3 years.

  • OlderIGet

    1 to 23. There was character. We may be able to pick them apart as individuals, but as a team they did not take a backward step. You could see the bruises on their faces at full time. They hurt and still went forward.

    • onlinesideline

      sweet bruises though – love it

  • Nutta

    Random recollections of the emotionally challenged:

    * Dempsey MOTM for me. But could easily be Macca or Hodge.

    * Tight5 were massive.

    * Our backrow played beyond their weight. With Hooper playing tight they were right on game.

    * I thought the rating on Foley a bit harsh. He was hugely targeted and opponents don’t target nuffies. Same with Beale. They really went after him and clearly rattled his cage.

    * The AiB were a bit off. I said to my wife after the haka they looked out of sorts. My wife said they looked like they all had a massive blue before the game: no cohesion. But their wet-weather game plan was good – kick and make us play out. To me they seemed to spend way too much time with silly off the ball garbage and diving past the ruck to create space. Too much gravy. I doubt we will see that again for a while.

    Great win. Thank you guys.

    • Seb V

      So we should go easy on Foley because he was targeted? Not sure about the logic there. He was definitely rattled and he deserves the 4. PLus even when he wasn’t ‘rattled’ he made mistakes (that poor pass in the first 5mins costing a try-scoring opportunity).

  • Adrian

    Pretty ok by me.
    I’d give Foley 5 and Beale 6 because they kept us driving forwards, and copped heavy punishment for doing so, but not a big deal in the scheme of things

    • Rob Malcolm

      Agree. Plus I’d drop Folau by 1 for running sideways too much. This must be the highest score by the pack this year. The win really comes down to matching it with the ABs there.

      • joy

        Running sideways led to his try and put Koroibete away.

        • Who?

          He almost bombed that try (through the hands and it was a gimme – it was a 4 on 2 when he got the ball!), and he bombed another big opportunity earlier in the game with the same sideways running. Getting a result doesn’t mean that it was the best way to get the result, it just means things worked out. If he’d been pulled up short for his try, would you feel the same way..?
          I say that as someone who defends sideways running. Consistently. The problem with Folau running sideways is that he’s clearly a ball runner, not a consistent playmaker, and he’s not running sideways looking for options, he’s looking for a hole for himself. He’s not likely to pick one of multiple straight runners coming off him. Folau’s the one expected to make the break – he’s practically the nominated ball runner (how many times have people called for our game plan to be, “Just give it to Issy!”). So it doesn’t work near as much for him to continue to drift – his job is to straighten as soon as possible. And he just didn’t straighten enough – or early enough – last night.

        • Seb V

          I agree for most of the time, but disagree for Koro’s try, I think that was the 1 in 100 times where running sideways was the right option, given it allowed Koro to get the ball with momentum that close to the line. (It was a 2 V 2 not a 4 v 2). Falou’s first try could have went through the hands for the same result 3 v 1, he dummied and ran himself sideways. He messed up a few cutting Beale off etc.

  • Tim

    Lukhan Tui was outstanding. 10 carries in 40 minutes. Took the kick off in the 78th minute. Would love him to start with Coleman they can be called the bash brothers.

    • Pedro

      Coleman, Arnold, Tui, Hooper, Dempsey–
      4, 5, 6, 7, 8.

      • Tim

        Tui would make a better 8. He is 120kg would add more to the scrum. He is not fast enough at 6 to break off the scrum. Dempsey is like 105kg and fast. Watch the ARG vs AUS when Tui went 6 he was not fast enough on the blindside allowing them easy metres.

        • Who?

          8’s don’t really add their weight to the scrum in the modern ‘two pod’ arrangement. You rarely see an 8 man shove – it’s much more important to have weight from the flankers directly onto the props, driving them square. Their inside hips are driven by the props, but without good drive from the flankers, they can be sheared off by a boring opponent (and every opponent is, to a greater or lesser extent, trying to shear you away from your hooker and sideways out of the scrum).

  • Haz

    Big win and great to see Aussie rugby having the quality to get one up on the AB’s

  • joy

    Amongst many amasing stats, no Aussie forward missed a tackle except McMahon who made 11 of 13. The two he missed were backline flyers. I think he can be forgiven for these.

    On top of this not one NZ forward beat a tackler. Wow!

    • Bobas

      they must use ESPN scrum stats too.

      The other crazy one which I couldn’t find a place for was that. CANE MADE 27 TACKLES! No wonder he couldn’t hold the ball, he must’ve had an RSI.

  • Pearcewreck

    Great work Bobas.
    Only points I disagree with are Foley should be 5, Beale 6.
    Also, pretty sure McMahon’s legendary run was at least 40 meters, maybe 45.

    If only we had caught that restart in Dunedin??

  • Arkers

    Reece Hodge’s future as a Wallaby must be seriously in doubt. As Nic White discovered, kicking a long-range penalty and scoring an individual try to beat the All Blacks is a career-limiting move.

  • Gipetto

    There is no way 1, 2, 3, 5, 6, 7,and 8 were all better than Genia and that far ahead of Simmons.


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