Wallaby Rugby World Cup Squad Shock

Roscoe Tims August 18, 2011 206

No GravatarThe big news out of left field is the demise of Rocky Elsom as Wallaby captain and the promotion of James Horwill to succeed him, effective as of today.

There have been undercurrents of disatisfaction about Rocky’s performances over recent weeks, although a better display against the Springboks last weekend was thought to have quelled any lingering question marks about his form and leadership.

Robbie Deans and John O’Neill have made the big call – taking the pressure of captaincy off him so he can concentrate on his game. I’m not sure the responsibility sat comfortably on Rocky’s shoulders, so it’s probably an opportunity for him to focus solely on regaining form.

Robbie Deans said ‘It is well documented that Rocky came into the Test season off a limited background in terms of preparation, having missed all but 60 minutes of Super Rugby due to injury.

‘As the incumbent captain, he warranted the opportunity to continue in the role but it has become clear that the additional responsibility has been a distraction that Rocky doesn’t need.

‘We all felt it was in the best interest, both of Rocky and of the team, to relieve him of the extra duties, with James’s recent experience making him the best option to take over in the role.’

I think this change might also suggest that Scott Higginbotham is becoming a real threat of overtaking Rocky as the Wallaby No. 6 and maybe that the latter could be heading overseas post RWC.

James Horwill‘s appointment will be a popular choice, especially considering his stature as Queensland captain after this season’s Super Rugby success. He’s held in high regard by everybody associated with the game and his form this year has been outstanding.

Apart from dropping this bombshell, the selectors haven’t thrown up too many surprises in picking their RWC squad. Matt Giteau is obviously not there, as indicated yesterday by the player himself.

To me, this is a disappointment because I think he offers coverage of 9, 10 and 12, and Nick Phipps, the number three scrum-half, hasn’t done enough to warrant selection. I can understand that with Burgo going after the RWC a backup half will be required, but this tournament really is no place to blood juniors. Haven’t we learnt from the Samoan disaster?

Gits is a pretty handy backup, especially when you need someone with experience to settle a young backline in some of those second tier pool matches. I’m not sure whether he’s been fingered for a shadow role, but probably not by the tone of his tweets?

Where is the No. 7 backup in this squad? They’ve left Matt Hodgson out completely. Sure, he didn’t have a great game against Samoa, but neither did anyone else and he hasn’t had many other opportunities.

The squad is top heavy with No. 8s and blindside flanker-cum-locks. I can only assume Higgers will be playing openside against some of the lesser lights — he’s got the speed — but I’ve never seen him play that position before.

The selectors have taken a gamble on the six injured players whom they’ve resurrected: Barnes, Palu, Horne, Mitchell, TPN and Slipper. Barnes and Horne have been playing club rugby recently and the rest have passed fitness tests this week.

Cliffy has played a limited amount of rugby over the past couple of years so I think he, and the injury-prone Rob Horne,  are the biggest rolls of the dice.

I’m at a loss to see why Horne is a Robbie favourite? In my view, he’s achieved very little throughout his short Wallaby career and I’m not sure why you’d persevere with him this year when he’d be better off rehabbing those dodgy hammies for a future tilt at international selection.

Apart from the above, the players to miss out are Mark Gerrard, Lachie Turner, Rod Davies, Luke Morahan, Dave Dennis, Dean Mumm, Sitaleki Timani, Ben Daley, Pek Cowan and James Hanson. Benn Robinson pulled out earlier in the week.

I’d consider Lachlan Turner Overdrive and Ben Daley both unlucky as well. They must have been close to selection.

The makeup of the front row is interesting. The underperforming Ma’afu gets a guernsey. So, aren’t Slipper, Alexander and Ma’afu all ’recognised’ tightheads now? They have been of late, with only Kepu playing loosehead. WTF is going on? Someone’s going to have to revert to loosehead – that’ll play havoc with their technique….

All up there are 10 players from the Reds, 9 Waratahs, 6 Brumbies, 4 Force and 1 Rebel. Apart from a couple I’ve discussed, I think this is pretty much the best squad available and you couldn’t quibble about its overall strength.

Robbie and the other selectors get an 8 out 10 from me.

Wallaby RWC Squad:

Ben Alexander, Sekope Kepu, Salesi Ma’afu, James Slipper, Stephen Moore, Tatafu Polota-Nau, Saia Faingaa, James Horwill, Rob Simmons, Nathan Sharpe, Dan Vickerman, Rocky Elsom, David Pocock, Scott Higginbotham, Cliff Palu, Radike Samo, Ben McCalman, Will Genia, Luke Burgess, Nick Phipps, Quade Cooper, Berrick Barnes, Pat McCabe, Adam Ashley-Cooper, Anthony Faingaa, Rob Horne, James O’Connor, Digby Ioane, Drew Mitchell, Kurtley Beale.

Discussion »

  • up&under

    rocky would be pissed off

    • Duncher

      he may be pissed, but it’s not about Rocky, it’s about the Wallabies

    • Who Needs Melon

      Doesn’t he play better when he’s pissed off? Best thing for him. :)

  • monkeybutt

    rocky ditched as captain, why not a month ago? good choice with big kev though.

    • newter

      At Bledisloe 1 Horwill had the team in a circle and was firing them up, throwing his head around, keeping everyone’s chins up.

      Elsom was the only one of the 22 not there.

      This captaincy change is only making formal what had already transpired in practice.

      • Nabley

        Strange thing is, you could say the same thing about the Reds when Genia was doing the talking. While I have always thought Elsom was too much of a beligerant to be a leader of Gen Ys, I think it is a big call so late before the RWC. Most captains take a while to adapt to the role. Horwill will have one game next week. A big surprise is he stepped over Pocock. At the end of the day, a captain has to be able to hold his place in the team. Horwill clearly can and Elsom is only a perhaps, although he did show us something last weekend.

        • Sandpit Fan

          Pocock has no captaincy experience, other than a few minutes when Sharpe has not been on the field. Horwill was the natural choice if a change was to be made.

  • Duncher

    Great choice!!!!!

    I’m excited!!!! (sorry couldn’t help myself)

    • Lance Free

      Interesting that Big Kev and another offsider in the leadership group (Will Genia) are both from Brisbane Boys College. Although not the strongest GPS school around they must develop character at that school. Another recent Reds captain, John Roe, is also an Old Boy.

  • GLRooster

    I don’t get taking Phipps as the 3rd halfback – I just don’t think he’s international standard (yet). Why not take Gits as your third halfback option, given they are likely going to see no substantial game time, and then also have his versatility in the other positions as well?

    Something must have gone down between Dingo and Gits….

    • newter

      Probably because Gits is both a. popular and b. sulky when not selected. He would make everyone feel torn between loyalty to him, and dedication to teh cause.

      • Fitri

        Its better to bring in phibbs which is the future of wallabies instead of gits. He is heading to europe for big money though. So screw him.

        • Mr Tank

          Silly me, here I was thinking you select the best team to win this World Cup not the next one.

    • Graeme

      I think you’re right. There has to be a back room reason for taking phipps over giteau. In the extraordinary situation we lost both genia and burgess he could always be flown across last minute. And having fireside in the team would mean we had a third backup for 10/12 and emergency backup for 9/13 (he’s neither but could be serviceable at 13, not sure about 9).

      Maybe dingo doesn’t like player power.

      • BDA

        Deans must have thought Giteau would be a bad influence on the team, because Giteau has more experience/success at 9 for the Wallabies (and offers more versatility).

        The 3rd back-up halfback will likely spend the whole tournament on the sideline. I don’t think it’s a great idea to put one of your most experienced test players in that role. It would be extremely frustrating and (if the prima donna rumours are true) those frustrations would probably rub off on the team. Phipps on the otherhand will be happy with whatever role he can play, even if its water boy or orange peeler. I think that is a good thing for the squad.

    • ozrugbynut

      Surely we won’t need Genia, Burgess AND Phipps?

      • Better Red Than Ted

        Especially since Sookface is there too, and we’ve used him as reserve half more than once in the past.

      • The Rant

        91 world cup: 2 halfbacks
        99 world cup: 2 halfbacks

        Are we leaving some pretty good talent at home (another 7 or loosehead for example) just so Phipps can ‘get some experience’??

        That said – I’m sorry, but Giteau aint no halfback – he was tried and failed there years ago. There’s more to being a halfback that being able to pass and snipe – you have to organise and marshall the forwards and help structure their attack platform (hence the term HALFback). Gits was always a FULLback playing 9 and overplayed his hand a lot. Still would have taken him instead of phipps.

    • Who Needs Melon

      Yeah but let’s face it:
      – If Genia is injured we’re pretty f..ked.
      – If Genia and Burgess are both injured we’re REALLY f..ked no matter who they pick.

      Ditto:
      – If Cooper is injured we’re f..ked.
      – If Cooper and Barnes are both injured we’re REALLY f..ked.

      • Marto

        and if Pocock gets injured we’re totally f..ked….

      • Better Red Than Ted

        It must be a personality thing with Gits. Because without him, we have precisely ZERO natural left-foot kickers in the backs anywhere. That could bite us in the bum on some of the wet NZ grounds.

        • The Rant

          mitchell if he plays

        • The Rant

          barnes can also kick off both – seen him score a decent dropgoal on his left.

    • Stevo

      In a nutshell, I think the reason for not taking Giteau can be seen in the way that he reacted to the news. He immediately got onto twitter to announce it. So that tells you all about who Gits thinks about first. I can understand Deans not wanting to have that kind of attitude in the squad.

      Contrast that with the way that Rocky handled the loss of captaincy. It seems he was told on Monday, yet there was no leaked announcement. He handled it very gracefully, and clearly put the team first. He deserves credit for that.

      • Spot

        You nailed it Stevo.

        Gits might be seen as a destabilising force within the team and it’s no secret a few other wallabies other than coach Deans have had issues with him (think Stephen Moore in S15). I know this is complete conjecture but it does seem to be the case that his alleged attitude problems and or apparent self interest outweighed his ‘on-field’ benefit to the team – at least in Dingo’s eyes. I for one am not sad to see the back of him but that said, if he kicked the goal to win the RWC then I’d also be the first to sing his praises! Big Kev is a legend and will be a great leader of men, whilst Rocky showed some of these pups in the team how a true pro handles himself (brand O’connor could learn a thing or two) – go the wallabies and roll on RWC!

        • newter

          Yeah. Giteau has always been very clear that for him it’s all about No 1. At the Brumbies, by the end he was saying how great he felt about the season because his own form had been “so good”.

          Egomaniac. Had to go.

        • Nutta

          Gits-
          Would have been a good cover for 9/10/12 and can kick goals. But 3 super franchises for 3 sacked coaches is a lot for a coach like Dingo (with great expectations to be managed first-up and a shite-fight to managed after if we don’t do well) to be asked to stomach/manage/survive. No suprise there especially as Barnes is back

          Front row –
          No real shock to see Mofun with Fat Cat out. BenA & Kepu have both played swapsies this year so we must make do. I didn’t feel Daley was in the hunt being in a folding scrum all year. Although Fingers (No2 only) vs Pek (No1&2) raises an eye-brow with all the push being on multi-positional coverage

          Rocks –
          To be captain you must be a 1st pick in a big game and he ain’t that now. Kev is. So is Gins for that matter. Puts Sharp under real pressure from Vicks though

          Very suprised there are 3 No9′s yet only 1 No7

          Righto. Enuf bullshite. Let’s get it on! Boss gave me ticets to both semi’s last Friday. YEEHAAH!!! Don’t worry Robbie, I’ll pack my boots just in case!!!

        • suckerforred

          Nutta – Can I have your boss? Had to pay for my finals tickets!

  • Old Weary

    Although picked it like a dirty nose, still suprised by Git’s…. I thought he would be in there rather than 3 Hookers or 4 props. Also, who will back up open side flanker?

    Strange call on the captaincy – I hope Rocky can see the upside and concentrate on his game and less on the others.

    • Old Weary

      to clarify, I def think it is the right choice to get big kev in there, esp coming off a winning season and having the backing of so many of the guys. Just think it should of happened earlier.

      We have got a talented squad and really pumped now.

    • suckerforred

      God, lets hope that Pocock doesn’t get injured……

  • Alan

    aboy robbie! well done mate delighted to see some balls and doing the right thing by handing the captaincy to big Kev. He will revel in it and i think Rocky, now free of the responsibility will too

    Great to see Samo in the team, wonderful to see Drew in it also. Horne….. shouldn’t be there, id rather have Gits then him and am disappointed Beau didnt make it

    overall… quite pleased with this team

    • zuzu

      I see that this squad will change when the injured aren’t match ready, then its a short flight across the ditch for the players who missed out….

      • The Rant

        can that happen- can they call up extras if needs be?? – they keep saying its a big gamble taking these injured players…like you get 30 only and cant call for back-ups

        Is this the case?

        • http://www.greenandgoldrugby.com/prize-comp-predict-the-score-3n-game-1/ Taste The Radness

          The Rant

          Apparently, and quoting Brendo (scroll down) “any injured player can be replaced, only condition is that once replaced they can’t return”.

        • The Rant

          So what happens in our case where we puck people who are already injured..? Can we call on others if they don’t come good?

        • http://www.greenandgoldrugby.com/prize-comp-predict-the-score-3n-game-1/ Taste The Radness

          I think many players have injuries but they are not deemed detrimental enough to end their campaign e.g Fat cat.

        • http://www.greenandgoldrugby.com/prize-comp-predict-the-score-3n-game-1/ Taste The Radness

          sorry, not Fat cat, try for example Rob horne, Fat cats injury is a campaign breaker. So the assumption that we have injured players is wrong.

    • Queenslander

      Gee you are forgiving, it was deans who made the farked choice to begin with and relented after mass opposition to Rocky as captain. Yes a great choice of Horwill as captain but as has been usual during Deans tenure he regularly makes crap decisions and when he alters them he is lauded as a genius.

  • James

    This was my predicted squad except for McCalman, I had Hodgson pegged for his versatility among the back row. We have a class squad, and finally under the correct leadership. I feel Rocky played his best rugby whilst at Leinster when he was not burdened with the captaincy, let’s hope he performs similarly well.
    I also think the correct choice was made re Giteau, was a class performer in his date but not done enough to earn a starting berth, and I get the sense that everywhere he goes, trouble in the camp follows.
    I’m hoping for good things from this World Cup, but would forgive them for not winning. They are a young squad and need to be treated as such. We shouldn’t peg all our hopes on them, for we will be a much more formidable team in 2015, beating the old enemy in their back yard. But I still have high hopes, we CAN win this, but it is up to the leadership team, which should be Horwill, Pocock and Genia.
    Good luck boys!

    • Dougs

      I agree. Interestingly we’ve picked 3 number 8s versus 1 openside flanker? Makes no sense to me.

      I would have gone with Robinson over Hodgson (instead of McCalman).

      Gits should be the 3rd halfback. If Aus is going to go for 5-2 splits on the bench I don’t understand not taking Gits.

      I’m thrilled to see Big Kev Horwill the captain. I don’t think Elsom is the hopeless has been that everyone portrays him to be, I just think he seems more of a lone wolf whereas Horwill is more of a heart-on-the-sleeve, follow-me kind of a player.

      • Muffy

        Watching the tri-nations, and with the current rules and style of play, I am not convinced a specialist open side is as important as a competent counter rucking unit. You only see about 2 or 3 flanker style steals tops, and now days its the responsibility of the arriving player (please can someone beat that into QCs head, I saw him skip past several opportunities to have a crack at the pill against the Boks). That opportunity disappears very quickly once the ruck is formed HOWEVER the counter ruck is an option at nearly every other breakdown.

        I would suggest, all players need to be capable of challenging for the ball after the tackle AND teams need to develop competent counter rucking techniques ala the ABs

        Looking at this team, I would suggest that is possibly the game plan Dingo has in mind.

  • Tallboy

    One specialist 7? And yet a million 6′s and 8′s, who also cover lock? Thought Hodgson or even Robinson would have had to be there. Looks like a repeat of last years EOYT, where they do there best to run Pocock into the ground and hope he doesn’t break

    • GLRooster

      Samo can cover lock, no?

      But I agree that there should be cover for 7, as it would be nice to give Pocock the week off against Russians for the final pool match.

      I love love love that Rocky has been removed as Captain – big Kev is a much better choice.

      • BDA

        I don’t think we need a specialist 7 against Russia or the USA. McCalmun will do just fine.

      • Garry

        I thought the days of playing loosies in the locks ended with Dean Mumms omission (and our scrum being the butt of jokes),

        but obviously Dingo is a slow learner, or quickly forgets. I hope our three locks can go the distance.

        • Brendo

          I might have missed something, but it looks like 4 locks to me. I think Higgers will probably get a start at 7 against Russia, and will run wild with that extra space he enjoys.

        • Garry

          corrected.

        • Brax

          There are definatley four locks there.

    • ozrugbynut

      Wonder if S Finger would be used in a fetching role..

  • Linus

    3 half backs and 3 hookers. Makes the 30 man squad a little unbalanced, as already noted.

    • Handles O’Love

      same as 2007.

      • Linus

        And where did that get us?

    • Patrick

      you have to pay someone to come along for the halfbacksIt’s a rugby league squad

  • Pete

    FUCK YES! Big Kevy you big beautiful bastard!

  • redbull

    No back-up for Pocock unless Deans figures Higgers is fast enough. Pleased to see a lot of size in the back row.

    Pity Link doesn’t have more influence. Lucas would have been a better choice than Phipps.

    Elsom can get back to his game at last. Horne, AAC, Fingers and McCabe to make competition at centre. Quality back three competition. Barnes on the bench to steady the ship at the end. Lots of potential here.

    • Muffy

      I would love to see either of Fingers back up Pocock. Imagine moore and Siaa on at the same time..nice

      Ant would make a great 7..just ask JP Pietersen, actually ..he probably didnt know what hit him

    • Mart

      Mcalman would be the back up for Pocock

  • Simo

    So a 17-13 split. Only two differences from Zeno’s call yesterday. Inside backs Ant Faingaa and Phipps in and loosies Hodgson and Robinson out.

    • Lance Free

      I’m rooting for the Wallabies.

  • Seb V

    Horwill for Captain… YES PLEASE! good job robbie!

  • stinger

    I agree with most thoughts coming on here. Great squad but think Horne is a bit lucky. Would have had Robinson (or Hodgo) to cover Pocock and while Giteau is unlucky not to go to a 3rd RWC there is obviously something more and you don’t want that sort of player over there with time on his hands.

    Congratulations Big Kev – lead em like the Reds!!!

    Now everybody the team is picked so don’t worry about it – just get behind our number ONE team!

  • Mr B Crocker

    Taking only one 7 is a joke. Hodgson has every right to be filthy. So many 8s. I hope they call him up after the first injury. Poor Poey.

    • Podacity

      I think you only get 30 i.e. you can not call others in to cover injury.

      • Brendo

        Nah, any injured player can be replaced, only condition is that once replaced they can’t return.

        I agree with comments above that this a deliberate move by Deans, taking such a big back row. I expect Higgers, or maybe McCalman to get some game time playing at 7 in the early stages. And it’s not like the World Cup is on the other side of the world, if Pocock does get injured (God forbid), Beau or Hodgson are only a 2 hour flight away.

        • Train Without A Station

          With Palu an injury risk I imagine if he doesn’t look like being fit for the first game then Robinson would be his replacement. If he doesn’t recover he can always be replaced. If he does and he’s not picked you can’t bring him in.

  • RockyElboa

    Disappointed for Rocky, but like others have said this might enable him to focus on his game

    Horwill is a deserved replacement, hope it doesn’t have an effect on his outstanding form.

    Interesting to only see one specialist 7, perhaps Robbie sees the game going that way?

    Cant understand Horne or Phipps, but happy to be proved wrong

    To Matt Giteau,

    It has been a please to watch you play and you have been a great servant of the game. All the best for the future.

    • Ooaahh

      Your onto something there. The game this year is more conducive to counter rucking than fetching. This is why Robbie has gone for size over speed IMHO

      • suckerforred

        Players injured to the extent that they have to withdraw from the tornament can be replaced.

        • suckerforred

          OOPS. That was ment for Podacity above.

  • Jimbo81

    This has to be the most exciting Wallaby side since the McQueen era. NZ would be dead-set-sh1tting themselves! 17 of the team are Queenslanders (10 Reds + the rest). GAME OVER!

    They’ve basically picked the players we’ve been raving about for months now. My only real gripe is Beau Robinson missing out, and guys like Horne, Vickerman, Ma’afu getting the nod.

    • Jay

      Get a grip, FFS.

    • Graeme

      One pocock vs 3 scrum halves. I’d have chosen either Gits or Hodgson (18/12) instead of Phipps. Big risk if the Cock gets injured, and probably means he’s playing every game which we can I’ll afford. But otherwise I agree completely with the team.

      Ps. Is it just me, or is anyone else as happy as whoppee to see Drew Mitchell on the name sheet?

      • Nipper

        No kidding, huh? I get the part about Deans’ belief that the game style in the tournament is not going to be a fetcher’s game, but three #9′s, three #8/6′s… but no true cover for a #7?

        Seems a little nuts to me, especially given the bashing that Bam absorbs in each match. Perhaps it’ll prove to be genius… but its beyond my comprehension.

        • Better Red Than Ted

          On recent form, Big Kev’s been a more effective fetcher than either Higgers or Rocky. Two turnovers against NZ, one led to Diggers’ try.

    • Graeme

      Oh. And well done to big Kev.

  • galumay

    It worries me picking a test team, let alone a world cup team based on provincial rugby form, too many Reds IMO, but at least its better than too many Brumbies!

    Anyway the die is cast, so its off to the land of the sheep botherers and bring it on Bill. If we are good enough on the day its ours for the taking.

    • Dave

      Obvious Tah troll is obvious. Nevermind that there’s only one less of them in the squad than the Reds, eh?

      And Horne? Really?

    • Brax

      Teams have always been chosen on provincial form, where else can the selectors see where the form is at?

    • Train Without A Station

      When you’ve lost 10 out of 12 games against the side ranked above you in the last 4 years I’d say you may as well pick on provincial form, because the international form isn’t crash hot enough for blokes to keep their spots.

  • mw

    I am very happy we have seen the last of gits. He has been worked out by opposition for years now at this level. He has time for his French lessons now.

  • BDA

    Great Squad. Love the choice of Big Kev as captain.

    A bit worrying that there is no back-up for Pocock but if he is injured such that he cant play anymore we can seek a permanent replacement. If he has a niggling injury Deans will probably get him to play through, and id rather Pocock at 80% than Hodgson at 100%.

    • suckerforred

      But Beau at 100% would be better then Pocock at 80%.

  • Pedro

    Horne is more than a little lucky, being injured seems to be a bonus for the fringe players. Maybe that’s the kind of versatility deans wants, to be able to change the squad if one of the starters gets injured by sending an already injured one home.

  • madfifteen

    Now, who is going to be in 22?
    I guess we’ll find out after Brisbane (and Barbar vs Canada).
    Good luck boys.

    • Better Red Than Ted

      Baabaas team will tell us who’s in the shadow squad. Please God, tell me Dean Mumm isn’t one of them!

  • bobas

    I cant believe Horne got picked, he has shown nothing to warrant his ongoing selections….

    A real kick in the teeth to Turner, Davies et al that made the 40 man squad and trained their arses off for no big opportunities.

    • bobas

      Horne made his Australian senior debut in Sevens in 2008, as well as the U-20s World Championship, where he sustained a groin injury and came home.
      He went to the 2009 U-20 World Championships, but again came home injured with hamstring strains – a recurring issue.
      He toured with the Wallabies on the EOYT in 2009 to Japan and Europe, but was injured and came home from Japan again with hamstring problems.
      His Test debut (Wallaby # 839)against Fiji in 2010, then continued in Tests against England and Ireland, before his Tri-Nations debut against South Africa in Brisbane. He was injured in his first Test against New Zealand the following week in Melbourne, fracturing his elbow.

      • RedMan

        Perhaps with all that time on the sideline, he has struck up a beautiful friendship with Deans and now they are the best of pals.

      • Garry

        Seems to be a recurring theme there. I wouldn’t be selecting him. Even when fit, he was ordinary at international level.

        Horne out, we’ve plenty of depth in the backs to shuffle. But Pocock will be tired (or worse) from over work during the Cup. Poor decision.

      • Dave

        Yeah, Hynes has every right to feel aggrieved

        • Dally M

          Hynes? Hasn’t he retired hurt?

        • The Rant

          hurt feelings

        • Dave

          That was the point ;)

  • RedMan

    So with Elsom no longer captain, is he a certainty to even start?

    • BDA

      He’s still our best 6. He was just ineffective as captain IMO

    • drop kick

      He’ll start and Higgenbashem will come on with 20 mins to go (which I think is part of the logic of not having him as captain).

    • Fitri

      Maybe this is the chance for higgers to claim no6

      • Better Red Than Ted

        Should certainly put the frighteners up Rocky having no (c) next to his name, and Hi-Ian-Botham on the bench.

        • muffy

          hiianbotham not as good as higgenbashem :)

  • BarneySF

    TPN to backup Pokes. Although TPN should replace Alexander in front row with Moore staying on as hooker.

    • wato

      So you would move a hooker to tight head? After all, it worked so well for the Bokke’s on the weekend.

      • RockyElboa

        Robbie once chose to put TPN on as prop rather than have uncontested scrums. The result was TPN injured and out for months and all for a baabaas game. Hopefully he will never make that mistake again

    • Better Red Than Ted

      What price TPN being used as a 7?

      • Graeme

        I think I saw a comment that TPN played at number 8 in the juniors. If that was true I’d love to see him at 8 so we could get both him and Moore on the field. But unfortunately it’s a bit too close to world cup to start trying experiments like that.

  • ChargerWA

    Hats off to Robbie, he finally did something about the glaring boil on the Wallabies arse that was Rocky’s captaincy.

    And will you fuckers stop talking about an injury to Pocock…..are you trying to jinx us…..

    • murph

      Nonsense. Why should we praise someone for doing the bleeding obvious as part of a paid job. Is the ARU a sheltered workshop or something?

  • pants

    Rob Horne? That’s the strangest selection imho.

    • redbull

      He is the only specialist 13 getting around Oz. AAC and McCabe are both winger/fullback/3/4, Faingaa is a bit of 12-13 combined. Bit of a problem though as 12 is still a little weak. Unless Deans means to go with two crash-ball runners at 12-13. Christ knows there are enough dancers at 10-11-14-15.

      • Garry

        With no experience in running off QCooper, or playing inside AAC & Diggers. And we are about to begin a RWC.

  • Chriscullen

    Bad luck Gits, rather than bag him for his recent performances we should celebrate the career of a fine Wallaby. my fondest memory though will be of him going off at Moore in the Brumbies vs Qld game this year.

    • Graeme

      Even as an (admittedly bandwagon) Reds supporter, I grew a newfound respect for Giteau at the end of that game. It may be his competitive, contentious nature that has left him out in the cold for this world cup, but I would like Australia to have 30 players with the same “push their heads in the sand, and when they’re down there groveling, kick them even harder” attitude.

      • Jimmy

        Mate unfortunately it only extended to Aussie teams.

        He was weak as piss and folded whenever he encountered foreign opposition.

  • Tim Bowen

    Can’t believe Beau Robinson wasn’t picked…

    We NEED a back up 7.

    Why would you bring a third halfback (Phipps)… would have brought Giteau in instead of him.

    • redbull

      Someone posted above that a specialist 7 will not be needed for USA and Russia, they will have bigger guys in those positions anyway. Pocock is need for Ireland maybe Italy on the bench and the finals. IF he gets injured for the finals they can call on a specialist.

  • Quickhands

    Generally happy with selections but a bit concerned about the number of immediate and unproven returns from serious injury. Having suffered a few major ones a big issue was the time it takes to return to 100% strength/coordination/symmetry and the time it takes to return to 100% confidence, even after the first game back. I am really hoping there aren’t subtle physiological and psychological limitations that may be missed on a fitness run but could be exposed with the huge demands and pressure of a RWC campaign……..

  • Jay-c

    Holy shit all blacks are gunna get it Nex week
    A kiwi jus pissed off the rock!
    Wonder if rocky knew this before the game las week as he sure was fired up

  • Jay-c

    all blacks are gunna get it Nex week
    A kiwi jus pissed off the rock!
    Wonder if rocky knew this before the game las week as he sure was fired up

  • Nabley

    Too many walking wounded and thats before it has started. The one thing the history of the RWC has proven for top teams, is the players need to be resilient. The Wallaby list include a swag of what might otherwise be called constantly disabled.

    • Ooaahh

      Offehengauia, burke, eales, were all injured seriously the year of the WC. We won those.

  • Baldy

    Brilliant Squad!!! Really cant say much more than that!! Beau Robinson is the only player that is unlucky IMHO but in saying that a post earlier noted that for 4 out of the 5 pool games we can run without a pilferer. Plus the way the game is going it seems that teams are taking the space at ruck time as opposed to pilfering – not many 7′s have shone this year in terms of turnovers. The ones who have (robinson) have done so with their general play and aggresive tackling, which has led to turnovers simply cause they get dominated and players are their to take the space – good selections if you ask me!!

  • wobbly

    I’d have taken Beau too. Both he and Hodgo the most unluckiest.

  • Graeme

    Turners another that is a bit unlucky. Thin on the wings. Only one backup, the still in rehabilitation Mitchell. However, hopefully this is a good sign in that Deans sees Mitchell at 100% for the WC.

  • henry

    Looks like a good squad. Good cool making Horwill captain. There is a surprisingly small number of caps in the whole squad. I count 770. And almost half of that comes from 5 players, Sharpe, Moore, Vickerman, Mitchell and AAC who have 320 between them.

    • henry

      Opps in all this excitement about Horwill forgot about Rocky. Think he has 60 something…

  • Gideon

    Out with McCalman & In with Beau Robinson
    Out with Phipps & In with Turner

    Otherwise: excellent squad

  • KingofDuba

    Horne needs to be in the squad. Fully fit he’s a shoe in and completes our centre pairing which in my opinion is our weakest link…

    Always have to account for injuires during the tournament. My guess is a loss to a centre or Half back and Gits will be on the plane over.

    Dont think Elsom’s book will do so well now “Captain of the Wallabies”. Just hope he has an absolute cracker of a tournament and gets a smile back on his face which has been missing for f*cking ages!

    I’m sure Deans has a few tricks up his sleeve. Horwill is an awesome decision. The guys is in career best form along with Moore. I would have taken another openside flanker though instead.

    • Pie Thrower

      ‘Fully fit he is a shoe in’.

      Two points – when is he ever fully fit?? The guy has been broekn for 2 years running. Plus – what makes you think he is a shoe in?? Hasn’t exactly set the world on fire in his few games for the Wallabies.

      • The Rant

        when he played last year he was as electric as mccabe had been so far…

  • bobas

    The good thing about it is you can swap for injury at any time as long as the injured player doesn’t come back into the squad.

    Before the naming of the squad I thought that pre-existing injuries weren’t allowed to be swapped out, they would have to be new injuries.

    Its gonna be hard to find Barnes, Horne, TPN, Palu and Mitchell form, doesn’t anyone think its weird their all tahs? What’s the odds?

    • Hawko

      Given the Tah injury list this year – no. If it was anything else you’d be surprised.

  • Robson

    The die is cast and the team is on the board. I for one am not going to quibble about a couple of selections that might be a bit beyond my mortal understanding and, instead, will enthusiastically await what the new mix will deliver. I think Rocky will play much better without the captaincy and that is a huge fringe benefit to start with.

    So what combo will get the green light for Saturday week I wonder? And yes I am anticipating a bit of an All Black reversal against the Bokke under Victor Matfield in Port Elizabeth this weekend. It could be that both sides bash themselves into oblivion!! Listening to VM’s comments after the Wallaby test at Durban, I got the intense feeling that losing again in the Republic is definitely not an option for this great player. I think he would sooner slash his own throat than allow that to happen.

    • Garry

      R,

      Now Rocky isn’t the captain, he’d better start playing at his best, with others breathing over his shoulder.

      No wait, I retract that.

      Form has never been a reason for selection over Dingo’s love bubbles.

  • dudebudstud

    Horne and Phipps shouldn’t be there. Bring in Turner and Giteau. Otherwise a killer team.

  • Brando

    Scratch Phipps for gits, scratch maafu for Robinson and Horne for Turner and I reckon this squad would have been really strong. As it is it’s strong but a few risks if injuries strike…

  • Heisenberg

    The very best to all of the squad for a successful and injury-free WC. Get out of the gates FAST in every game, hit hard in defence, trust your instincts in attack, and kick those bloody goals when they come up ! (O’Connor or Beale please – Cooper does not need the pressure – he is a confidence player and missing a few goals knocks him too much).

  • Brando

    Ant Finger and McCabe would be a fantastic centre paring, both tackle like demons and finger plays well off cooper in attack.

  • Jumpers

    Poor poor Rocky, Oh well we need to move on and focus on the next game at hand the ABs in Bris Sat week, of course James I’m sure will be a splendid leader and a talker of men. Good to see Drew and Barnes back in the team but overall a well balanced side with plenty to look forward too!

  • MP K

    Great, great squad. Perfect I think except I would have had Timani in instead of McCalman.

    Never thought that Robbie and JON would have had the gonads to follow the scream from GGR and replace Rocky with Horwill. Glad that Pocock did not get it as Horwill has actually delivered a major piece of silverware. Go with proven winners first.

    Interesting that the long time weakness of the Wallabies, tighthead prop and blindside flanker and 8, have been clearly focused on by the selectors, with a bunch of quality options. Real depth there now.

    This is a seriously good squad, with a very close nit Reds core, who under new leadership from Big Kev, are going to go very, very close to bringing Bill back home.

    And next week, I think you are going to see the Wallabies absolutely manhandle the potato farmers, for one of their most impressive victories.

  • cantab

    Dingo: sorry gitz your not coming to nz.

    Gitz: But i’m a better half back than Philpps and I can play both 10 and 12, surly in a 30 man squad light on backs im your dream choice as 3rd half back at least!. Plus I have exp from 2 world cups!

    Dingo: This is all true

    Gitz: Then why didn’t I get picked?

    Dingo: Because your a dick.

    • Chisel68

      Reading that made my morning! LMFAO. (I think a little bit of pee came out…..)

  • rugbyfreak

    Is the Horwill captaincy effective immediately or is he taking over at the world cup?

    • Lance Free

      Effective immediately – as of today’s announcement.

      • rugbyfreak

        Ok thought so – cheers

    • monkeybutt

      he was first off the plane after the intro of “captain”, immediate as you’ll get.

  • Flanker

    Bret Harris is going to be pissed

  • Skip

    I may be (hopefully) proved wrong but to me Dingo is taking a few risks here. I don’t profess to now as much as he does about rugby BUT….To me it seems with 6 of 30 (i.e. 20% of the squad) yet to do much this season, it seems a genuine risk. Are there enough games between no & the business to play them into form and fitness?

    Why no specialist cover for Pocock? (unless Robinson has been told to stay fit in case Bam gets crocked). However, what has Ben Mac done recently? I felt the form shown by Beau all season warranted selection ahead of some of the other back rowers in the squad.

    As for Gits. I know he’s copped some flak the last year but it does seem to be me that some statement along the lines of “I’d be happy to hold tackle bags and peel oranges for the green & gold and whatever Dingo says is Law by me” might have helped a huge amount. That said, I remember him mostly for the good things he did in the team and hope he can get over this and move on. I’d have given my right arm for 1 cap, nevermind 92.

  • TheSharpEdge

    The article says Beau Robinson has pulled out. Wasn’t that Benn Robinson.?

    • Lance Free

      I think you’re dreamin’? It always said Benn Robinson. I think you’ve lost your edge?

      • Eddo

        So what did happen to Beau,.. he was in the original squad.. and as you mentioned, we’re short on 7′s!

  • Coodabeenawesome

    Always nice to see a Ql second rower as captain… They seem to go alright

  • Skippy

    All I got to say is – Robbie Deans is either a genius and we will know in a few weeks time. Or a dead set idiot who just got another 2 year contract (that would cost the ARU probably a cool £1mill to buy out) which would make him a genius also!

  • Tedward

    I am not convinced that either Horne or Phipps are of international standard. Horne is perennially out injured so it is a huge punt having him there.
    Giteau deserved an opportunity.

    • AJ

      Yep. Gits in for Phipps, and Horne out for Beau and I’m happy.
      Even happier with Big Kev as captain!!

      My love/hate relationship with Robbie continues…

  • Kunte

    Wow! I rushed home to read this article. Deans is playing the crowd game. This is what I thought we as the Wallaby fans wanted. If it succeeds, all Hail Deans. It fails, he’s out clean as a whistle. I wanted Rocky as a captain just because he was a Brumby. I hated it because I felt his S15 game time was limited. Giteau has a lot to offer. I wanted him in the team as an impact and experienced player. I wanted him out for his arrogance and his infamous, ”I am the Captain phrase during the game vs the Reds”.

    Time to pop the popcorn and enjoy this show!

    • Lance Free

      I thought Rocky was a pretty reasonable captain. There were no complaints last year.

      • Shop

        He has been an ordinary captain and his game suffered as a result. This is the best outcome for him and the Wallabies. His natural ability revolves around being an enforcer, which is a role that is difficult to play when captain as well. I was definitely complaining last year.

  • marto

    How did you miss Beau Robinson – we need his mongrel. Couldn’t agree more re Phipps and Horne who should be replaced by Gits and Davies. Beau Robinson in for Palu or McCalman. Anthony Faiianga – great selection. Horwill good choice though Elsom returning to form – doesn’t need the captaincy to weigh him down – it’s not his thing. Actually – just pick all the reds.

  • Timo

    Can’t help but feel sorry for Gits but at the end of the day Quade, Kurtley & JOC can all cover 10 & 12 add in McCabe and that covers those two spots and 15 is covered as well. This begs the question… Why would you pick Barnes? If you want experience I would have added Mortlock if not to feature in the big games he would be fantastic around the group AND is a big game player if required. To me I would have left Barnes & Horne at home. I think Hodgson should also get a spot, 6 & 8 very well covered 7 not so. At the end still a strong squad with a good mix. Turner, Gerrard, Davies & Daley all unlucky after great Super XV seasons. GO WALLABIES!!!!

    • bobas

      pay that mark gerrard reference!

    • Footy44

      I think at the end of the day the question selectors need to ask is if we have injuries in squad, who do we want running out in the WC final

      Phipps – i thought he had great year but no way for WC final – not a big gits fan over the last couple years but prefer him as 3rd string 9 than Phipps
      Barnes – definitely. Has had a bad year with injury but has played enough club matches to prove fitness and is def international std.
      Mccalman (as back up 7 as reported in papers) – unknown quantity at 7 – big risk.
      Rob horne – no idea – can’t remember last time I saw him string together a few games in a row!
      Gerrard – enjoyable to watch in s15 but off the pace in internationals.
      Mortlock – as above for sentimental reason but no way for WC.

      I think it is a good squad but deans has so many unknowns so close to world cup.

      Eg Form players not given good run in tri nations to stake claim – samo, higgers, a faiinga, (beau Robinson deserved more of a chance).
      Will all the injured players be up to it – it’s taken rocky 4 games to come good – what are we expecting from other long term injured – palu, mitchell.
      Change of capt – probably warranted but rocky was always a risk after coming back from long term injury. Better management would have made the call at start of international season rather than a few weeks out from world.

  • Skippy

    Like I said previously… if we wanted a big crash ball 12… I would have given Mortlock a chance. I’m not saying he would have made it, but there is nothing McCabe is doing that Mortlock couldn’t do at 12, with the added benefit of experience/leadership and ability to handle the pressure.

  • PastGlory

    Stripping Rocky of the captaincy will allow Deans to start his best 15, which includes Higginbotham at No. 6.

    Pray we don’t get enough injuries to the point where Phipps, Horne or Salesi Ma’afu are called up for one of the “big games” in the tournament. These players have not done enough to warrant selection.

  • Tommy

    one openside flanker? WTF? Is Andrew hilditch advising on selection?

  • Fetch

    18 months aho, Matt Giteau was considered better than DC.Watching the wallabies in a pub in amsterdam or the UK or anywhere you could see how opposing fans dreaded this guy stepping up for a kick at goal.He was like a rock and personally they were moments I took pride in as an aussie and wallaby fan.You dont get to that level on the world stage without being somewhat of a perfectionist – with the requisite amount of ego/self belief. But we all know pursuit of perfection is like a bell curve and the other side is a slippery run back to mediocrity or in some cases below that.
    The Scotland game was the top of the bell curve.
    I for one thought he was a gutsy SOB and he made me proud to where the green and gold as a supporter.

    As a bloke who gave it 110% in my opinion thanks for sticking it up them Matt Giteau !!

  • BloodRed

    Maybe with only one “fetcher” in the squad the wallabies openside flanker is going to be playing less like Richie and more like Schalk or less like a cheating bastard and more like, well a completely different cheating bastard.

  • Gun

    Dingo’s on the money. The reference to the way the game is being played at the tackle with the need for aggressive counter rucking over the ‘pilferer’ seems pretty valid.

    I don’t know how they’ll now play Horne into form, especially given our record with 2nd string teams of late. I guess we can count Russia and the US as a win and a game for some of these blokes.

  • Sami

    I like the change of Captain and the inclusion of Anthony Faingaa, and I’m a ‘tahs fan….

    But I’d change Daley for Ma’afu, Beau (or at least Hodgson) for McCalman and Gits for Phipps

    Horne is a good player when healthy and we do have a shortage of quality centres. Probably won’t see much time anyway – but he is capable of doing something special.

    I think not having a second open-side is a mistake, but the other selections aren’t as bad as that… I doubt the 3rd scrummie (Phipps/Gits) would see much playing time anyway – so maybe that selection was made to keep Rebel fans happy and to keep the squad free of the alleged negative influence of Gits. Still, if I was going to include a Rebel, I’d pick Gerrard or Mortlock, over Barnes who is not the same player since his last concussion. Beale and JOC can cover fly-half.

    I don’t understand why Ma’afu and McCalman (who are not even first XV players at the provincial level) are even in the conversation. McCalman did nothing in his last three games except prove that we need more “go-forward” from our running forwards (Enter Samo, Sharpe and Higgers).

    • Garry

      “I like the change of Captain and the inclusion of Anthony Faingaa”

      but should it have been made four weeks ago? Instead of disrupting our progress?

      He’s on the NZRU payroll I tells ya.

  • Zeno

    I’m coming round to the idea that Deans doesn’t think he needs 30 guys to play at the RWC and there are a few heads in the squad for strategic reasons. We have three hookers because they don’t want to risk breaking TPN in scrum training. Phipps is there to watch and learn, with a view to 2012 and beyond. Horne is included because of a crush leap of faith on Robbie’s part; if it works out and we get a new high performance 13 then it will look like a selection master stroke.

  • Clay

    1 loose head, 1 specialist 7, 3 Scrum Halves, 2.5 Number 8′s, Vickerman and Horne…

    So Timani decided to play for the Wallabies instead of Tonga, likely with all kinds of Honey poured in his ear from Deans and Co. To now sit on the sidelines and watch a has been Lock who has played precisely sweet FA super rugby and only a handful of games in Northampton in the last year take his spot…

    Under Dean’s it seems we do not need to acknowledge that there are indeed specialist positions. It must be easy for say a tight head prop just to duck over the other side and still be as strong. Gregan use to say often that rugby at this level is a game of the 1 percents and you look for anything that can give you that 1% advantage. So if we loose Kepu and Pocock then that’s a lot of 1%’s we have already lost and handed to the opposition sides.

  • murph

    Phipps, Maafu, Horne, Vickerman, McCabe are all really really really bad choices

    Not having a backup fetcher is a really really really bad choice

  • Bones

    Looks like Deans plans to counterruck our way to Bill. Flood the rucks with aggressive, huge back 5 forwards who can stay on their feet and drive over the ball for turnovers. Not much the refs can penalize here – pretty high percentage tactic. From rough memory, I think Horwill had more turnovers that Pocock at ouR last “outing”. If this is the strategy, I agree with McCalman over Beau or Hodgson. But then I would have played Pocock as the third halfback and taken TIMANI over Phipps.

    • murph

      Well if he’s planning on that strategy you’d think that they would’ve started applying it in the real world by now

      • bobas

        I was just thinking that,

        It didn’t work for the Reds when they put Horwill into 6 for more grunt. It didn’t fail but it wasn’t effective enough to stick with.

        Rugby is a balance game, even in the forwards you need a balance of skill sets and players with differing habits.

        • murph

          I think it’s simple a case of poor selection. People have got to stop drawing a long bow trying to find rationality in Deans’s decisions and just accept that he’s a fool

  • Queensland Red

    Who goes to openside flanker when Bam gets injured/bloodbinned? I have always thought an specialist openside is necessary on the bench, given the amount of work and punishment an openside goes through in a match.

    Also, I don’t understand having 3 halfbacks. 2 makes sense as you need one on the bench on matchday, but surely 3 is overkill. The RWC rules allow for replacmeents of injured squad memebers, so if one of your two squad halfbacks is injured, then bring in Phipps (or someone else). Ben Lucas would have been a better squad memeber than Phipps. Former specialiost halfback, who can now play fullback or pretty much anywhere in the backline, and can tackle (just ask SBW).

    Great move appointing Kev as captain. Hopefully Rock can get back to his best and earn a spot int he startng 15. If you are picking a form team then Higgers starts at blindside flanker with Samo at No. 8. Hopefully that’s the 6 and 8 for the upcoming Bledisloe.

    • Sami

      Higgers is probably a decent match-day replacement for Pocock and if Pocock got hurt long term then I guess we’d see Beau or Hodsgon get a call-up.

      But I see no reason to risk Pocock in the two easier pool games… it’s not like he’s been good at avoiding injuries recently, and he’ll have had enough games by then to have recovered match fitness – so why overdo it? Plus we’d want a match fit replacement if he got hurt in the middle of the tourny.

      Furthermore, McCalman did nothing in 3 games to justify his selection, so his inclusion over a 2nd specialist open-side is just lacking in logic.

  • Eddo

    I see a lot of clever manuevering by Robbie here.

    The rules of the tournament are that any injured players can be replaced – as long as they don’t come back in.

    Therefore the smart coach selects the best 30, regardless of major injury concerns, because the Rob Hornes and Cliffy Palus can break down at training and we can bring in the fit players when required.

    Essentially I think he’s selected a squad of 34 or 35, with back ups for each of the ‘returning from injury’ players ready to go.

    • Lance Free

      As the ABs and Springboks haven’t named their sides yet I wonder when the cutoff date is?

      • old weary

        Monday I believe (when the ab’s announce their squad)
        AB’s (and Aust too I think) were trying an extensiion beyond the last Bledisloe game, but not given as they need to make some publicity poster or somthing…

  • Ciaron

    Still gonna get smoked :p

  • Ozabroad

    insightful

    • Ciaron

      As you said yesterday Why so serious

    • Ozabroad

      Not being serious

      • Ciaron

        Thats what Dingo said. :)

        • Ozabroad

          Did I hurt your feelings yesterday. Went into town last night. Hamilton seems to be ignoring the abstain message. Seems they dont want the ABs to win

  • AC

    Have to agree with the moderate line taken by Timmy Horan on selections. http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/rugby-gold/mix-of-bad-luck-and-bad-timing/story-fn8ouw0e-1226117823864

    • Lance Free

      Timmy is a big fan of Gits, and so am I. Well, not a big fan but believe he should have been there.

      • old weary

        Lance what is your 2 cents on a post yest that knowing some level of politics follows him, is it a clever move to bring him over as a potential back-up player (3rd scrum half and 10). Do you think he would suck it up for the good of the team? I am not certain ot would not cause divisions…

        • Lance Free

          Old Weary me old China, it was clear from last night’s Foxsport Rugby Club that Deans doesn’t have an issue with Gits personally. That’s what he said and I take him at his word. He suggested that Gits was a shadow player in case of future injury. So from Robbie’s perspective he still looks in the frame.

          For Gits, I think he’s been a bit maligned. Sure, he’s was pissed off when overlooked for a leadership position when Berrick got the vice-captainship. You would be if you had ambition and seniority. This is not a bad thing – wouldn’t you feel the same way? I don’t know the guy but I’m sure he’d be happy to contribute whatever the situation. I don’t think he’s spat the dummy. Just disappointed, as you and I would be. I thought he was the Brumbies best player in spite of the circumstances. Both his coaches have gone into bat for him.

          I don’t think he’s become predictable. I think he continues to be played out of position (12). Bring back Buck….

  • Conor Lynch

    As an Irishman I’m delighted to see Beau Robinson omitted. This is a huge error in judgement on the managements side. Also Davies has pace to exploit tired defences. Even off the bench Robinson would be immense. He should be in there ahead of the pedestrian mcCalman. Giteau is unlucky he should be in there. He has the skill set that no other wallaby midfield back possesses.I rate giteau as one of the best playmaking centres i’ve seen.

    • bobas

      Gits definitely has the best catching hands of any rugby player I’ve ever seen, he can scoop up bootlaces balls running at top speed. Which means he’s ideal for digger’s dodgy pop pass after re-joining the play after being cut out by a QC magic pill.

      I will always remember him filling in for Larkham’s ongoing concussion/blood bin after being kicked in the head by Cohen against england in the rwc2003 final. Back play that went uncited by the commentators and the media.

  • rightside

    Wrong selections are easy to spot:

    Phipps (not ready but who knows if he’s got it anyway?)
    Horne (strong youngster, but injured and not ready at this level)
    Ma’afu (is not at this level)
    McCalman (has tried hard but clearly not a tough wallaby no. 8)

    Gerrard, Giteau, any other prop and a specialist no 7 needed to be in this squad…Beau is hard to deny cause all winning teams need that guy in the squad..

    close but no cigar…still a special squad…

  • Ozabroad

    What do u think of the make up of the team Ciaron. We really value your imput in to the discussion. Should Gits have got a go?

    • Ciaron

      Well, for my $NZ, yes.

      Joking aside, its a bit rude to treat special players like that. Gitts has done some great stuff for you guys over the years and it may prove a mistake not to have him around, guys with his experience make a difference to the team environment. But in reality, Kiwi coaches have form in ditching experience for the flash up-and-comers. I think you guys need someone to steady the ship when Cooper gets spooked, I don’t know if Gitts is the man on field for that, but as a mentor, I think he’d have a lot to offer

      • Ozabroad

        ka Pai tamariki. Finally u have a worthy opinion, Keep it up

        • Ciaron

          Don’t give me that Moldy shit.

          I think Genia is probably your most dangerous player on attack, doesn’t seem to f**k up and is better than Wepu/Ellis/Cowan put together. QC reminds me of Carlos Spencer (not in a good way). Young O’Connor, I like him, can’t help thinking that he needs a little longer to be at his best (is he old enough to drink yet?) I think Rocky is a cock, and remember him being quite a dirty player in his early days. Mitchell seems capable, but not inspiring and the rest I wouldn’t know from a bar of soap.

  • Ciaron

    Did I hurt your feelings yesterday. Went into town last night. Hamilton seems to be ignoring the abstain message. Seems they dont want the ABs to win

    Nah, I was just having a bad day, but what in Gods name are you doing in the ‘tron? No wonder you think the kiwi girls say “Chuck it in there bro”! GET OUT BEFORE ITS TOO LATE!

    • Ozabroad

      Should a watched more Reds games then. Mitchell is well above being competent and i’m sure uve heard of Pocock. NZ’s here seem to hate him. Sorry gotta go speak some more Moldy to my adopted Cuzzies next dor. I’m teaching htem how to drink Bundy and Coke

      • Ciaron

        I have a job and pay taxes, in NZ, this means I can’t aford a decent sized telly or sky tv (need to be on the bene to have those). I have to be content with “game of the week” delayed coverage & highlights, I know Sun Tzu says: know your enemy, but I really can’t get into watching Bazza v Bazza or Saffa v Saffa or Bazza v Saffa. Sorry.

        P.S. good luck getting them off Lion Red.

        • Muffy

          So its only bro on bro action for you then.. :)

  • Ciaron

    Muffy: no, I’ll watch a Kiwi team play anyone, but watching Reds v Tahs or Cheetahs (anyone else think thats an ironc name for a team of Saffas?) v Stormers holds all the appeal of a 04:00 a.m. kickoff of Wales v Italy… I’m just not that invested beyond AB’s/Crusaders/Blues.

  • Lance Free

    I’m really at a loss to see how Ben McCalman is going transform himself into an effective No 7. Despite the assumption that the fetcher role in the RWC is going to be downgraded by the refereeing, it really is putting all your eggs in one basket if Pocock gets injured, but not seriously enough to be sent home.

    The other thing is that although I would prefer Hodgson as the backup openside (instead of McCalman), if the job description is only ‘partial fetching’ + other flanker aptitudes, then why isn’t Beau Robinson the man? It seems to me that his skillset is just that….

    • Queensland Red

      Totally agree Lance. I think Link adjusted very early in the Super 15 to the way he saw the breakdown refereed and brought Robbo into the starting lineup, which proved to be a masterstroke. Robbo didn’t do much when he came on against Samoa and perhaps Deans felt he couldn’t muscle up to the really big boys. Seems harsh on the lad, but maybe he is next cab off the rank if there’es an injury to Pocock.

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