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Waratahs Kick The Reds To The Kerb.

Waratahs Kick The Reds To The Kerb.

Here we are. Round 14. Reds vs Waratahs. Mate against mate. Hate against….. Oh, wait, that’s that other code……

Super Rugby history says that the Reds have a 54% win record over the Tahs. Recent years says different with 2013 being the last time we got the win. Personally, I think that this is probably the Red’s best opportunity to turn recent outcomes around, if only for the storm clouds that seem to be following the Waratahs from day to day.

The Match

The match started with it looking like the Waratahs were going to continue their winning ways. Within two minutes Bernard Foley had his first shot at the posts when the Tahs were awarded a penalty. The miss only delayed what looked to be the inevitable as it wasn’t long before Foley made up for the miss by scrambling over the line after Adam Ashley-Cooper scooped up a miss-directed pass from Liam Wright.
A few minutes later, the Reds were refused a try when the TMO could not see that JP Smith had grounded the ball on the line. They persisted however, and after a few penalties they forced Angus Blyth over the line in the tenth minute. It seemed we were going to be in for a busy night. Next, Samu Kerevi burst through the line, offloaded to Jock Campbell, and the Red’s took the lead. We are going to miss Kerevi next year.

It was about now that it seemed to start falling apart for the Reds. After a series of dropped balls and knock ons, Kurtley Beale was awarded a try after what seemed like an age looking at replays. For the record the press box unammiously gave it Michael Wells.
The Reds then slowly edged their way up the field through some sneaky runs (crawls), a well weighted kick and shutting down a Waratah’s not so rolling maul. A successful scrum, led to a beautiful passage of play which saw the ball go through the hands of Lukhan Salakaia-Loto and Matt McGahan to land with Samu Naivalu who strolled across unchallenged.

As the first half progressed the Tahs seems to lose their skills somewhere. Their passes went to ground, their lineout couldn’t win a chook raffle and their scrum may as well have been trying to pack feathers into a leaf blower while it was turned on. They were lucky only to be trailing the Reds by one point at the break. This was thanks to some poor kicking by Bryce Hegarty who finished the half with zero from three.

Foley's kicking made a difference.

Foley’s kicking made a difference.

Reds began the second half with an excellent intercept by Chris Feauai-Sautia and off-loaded to Hegarty who made sure that the try was scored under the black dot so he had a better conversion chance. The Tahs then hit straight back with some consistant work to put Alex Newsome over. It was looking like there was going to be lots and lots of points tonight.

Reds nearly hit back when Salakaia-Loto took a pass off Hunt and put Alex Mafi into a gap. Only a great tackle from Cam Clarke stopped him from grounding the ball. The Tah’s must have thought that that was it for their defence though, because from the subsequent scrum Hegarty danced through the blue shirts for his second try. This time the conversion was charged down by Nick Phipps, rather than Hegarty fluffing it.

The Waratahs then started to get their act together and began to play with patience and to their strengths. Maintaining possession eventually led to a try to Lachlan Swinton. The conversion put the Tahs in front, and the Reds started to rue the poor night Hegarty was having with the boot. Soon after Foley converted a penalty to put their lead out to four.

Then came a piece of the play of the game from Matt McGahan. (Either that or he has the bollocks of an elephant.) The Reds were attacking the line when the newbie full back spotted a maroon jersey way out on the left hand wing and put in a well placed kick to…… his hooker. Alex Mafi got his try in the end. Let’s not talk about the conversions though.

The end to end stuff continued with both teams wanting to play field position. So did the confusion, with mistakes galore and calls going every which way. Foley just kept taking the penalty kicks to keep the Tahs in front.

The Reds really lost this game all by themselves. Their poor discipline in the second half gave Foley to opportunity to put on a bunch of points unanswered. Hegarty’s poor night with the boot just exacerbated the issue. If he had managed four out of the five conversions he missed then it would have been a draw. All five and the Reds would have won. As it was the Waratahs won 32 to 40.

The Templeton Cup is headed to Sydney.

The Templeton Cup is headed to Sydney.

Aside – It was reported before the game the Tolu Latu had been arrested for mid-range DUI in the early hours of Thursday morning. It was all a bit of a mystery then as to why he has named in the side, let alone still on the bench at kick-off. In a press conference after the game Andrew Hore outlined that he was not made aware, so we can assume that this means NSWRU were not made aware, until this afternoon. They have now started a “process” to investigate the facts and felt that they could not stand him down before they had said facts to determine if he had in fact breached the code of conduct. Darryl Gibson was told at lunch time. As expected he was disappointed but is now waiting until the process is complete as to what discipline is forthcoming. Watch this space.

Latu was allowed to play....

Latu was allowed to play….

Match Turning Point

In my mind the turning point was when Bryce Hegarty packed his boots for the night. He really did have a poor game with kicking from the tee, and by the end of the game his from hand kicking was going the same way. Foley’s eight from nine made a difference.

GAGR MOTM

With four penalties, four conversions and a try it is hard to go past Bernard Foley for MoTM. He was the difference between the Tahs winning and losing. Special mentions to Matt McGahan for a good debut and Kurtley Beale for showing why he really should always be playing fullback.

Wallaby Watch

If this was a trial to see who was going to be the Wallaby fly-half, then we can safely say that Foley will fill the spot. Other than that, we will just go with usual suspects, but it will be interesting to see if Blyth and Rodda get called into the squad as they seem to do well as a lock pair.


Stats

Reds – 32
Tries: Blyth, Campbell, Naivalu, Hegarty (2), Mafi
Conv: Hegarty (1/6)
Penalties: N/A

Waratahs – 40
Tries: Foley, Wells (Beale), Newsome, Swinton
Conv: Foley (4/4)
Penalties: Foley (4/5)

Cards
THERE WAS NONE!

  • Cameron Rivett

    IIRC, drink driving in NSW includes simply being in the driver’s seat while over the limit, you don’t have to do any actual driving. Considering it was late at night and he was apparently asleep, I’d be pretty disappointed if Latu suffers a serious professional consequence unless there’s evidence he was driving.

    WRT the game, it’s rare to see a team score 2 tries more than their opponent but still not even pick up a losing bonus point. The article sums it up nicely, the Waratahs’ bench provided a lot of energy and Hegarty had an off night with the boot. I also think Ben O’Keeffe and the TMO may have missed that CFS’ offload to Hegarty for the latter’s first try was forward, but I’d have to check the replay to confirm.

    • GO THE Q REDS

      Yeah I had a look at the replay at the time and still couldn’t call it….. It was a funny angle and where he let’s go of the ball makes it look worse than it was I feel.

    • Huw Tindall

      This was my first thought. He was asleep in a parked car. Sleeping it off so to speak. Seems the fuzz taking a very strict view. In the end old mate Late came on got a crucial pillar and scrum penalty. 6 points to Foley.

      • Brisneyland Local

        The rules in Aus changed a while ago. If the keys are in your posessesion it is DUI. Even if you are not behind the wheel. If you were asleep in the backseat and your keys were in the glove box, you might be alright.
        But the police report I have read has him i the drivers seat keys in pocket. IF TRUE, and If state IF TRUE he is in more poo than the early settlers! Especially as he was on a suspended licence.

        • Huw Tindall

          Suspended licence as well! What an idiot. Was thinking this morning though – why would you tell your boss at work if you lost your licence. It’s not like he drives for a living? Yes I get he has a profile and such whereas joe public wouldn’t know/care if I lost my licence but still; he’s no De Belin – just an idiot.

        • Brisneyland Local

          I am not 100% sure but I am pretty sure that if they get sighted for a court appearance regardless of what it is for, they have to declare it. This is not that uncommon. As an Army Officer if you go DUI you get show caused. I had two of my collegues have their commissions revoked for DUI.

        • Huw Tindall

          Fair point. It could be in the CBA that they’ve got to inform their boss if they get on the wrong side of the law.

        • Brisneyland Local

          Yep. Doesnt mean it will get reported publically, just gives the ability for RA and the club to have pre-prepared statements up their sleeves, ready to go.

    • Custard Taht

      I think Latu will be safe, serious misconduct and serious punishment is reserved for the most heinous and diabolical crime of all, causing offence, not actual offences.

    • SuckerForRed

      Ben O’Keeffe might have missed a lot of things……

    • Pearcewreck

      Reports are that he was driving on a suspended license, so not his first offence.

  • Hoss

    Two blue victories over two red opponents on a single Saturday nite – ‘how’s the serenity’.

    • Human

      Well played Hoss. Just as Shorten thought that he had it in the bag, I thought the same of the Reds this TIME. I am guessing that it was not you who dropped $1M on Shorten with Ladbrokes?

      • Hoss

        Mate – I didn’t pick nor expect either blue victory. My father always said ‘you can tell a gambler by how much they’re prepared to lose, but $1,000,000 – holy cluster fuck Batman.

  • GO THE Q REDS

    Tolu Latu…..What are you doing son!
    Considering it’s not illegal to sleep in your car drunk I’m assuming he’s actually done something else to be arrested for DUI. Like move the car or leave the keys in the ignition or something. And apparently he was arrested around 4.30am with a .135 blood alcohol lvl! So I’m assuming he was going to be sleeping in his car till around lunch time to be safe….. Hmmm
    But hang on a sec, why isn’t Tolu Latu’s contract being torn up for bringing disrepute to the game? Think of all the kids RA….. who now think it’s cool to drink an drive after seeing all those headlines……

    • Slim 293

      But it is illegal to be behind the wheel of the car drunk, which is how he was found… and RA’s integrity unit are now looking into it.

      • GO THE Q REDS

        Oh really….. Well that’s even worse then! So considering the Tahs knew about this at lunchtime….. how on earth can they let him play? That seems like a horendously out of touch call! The mind boggles….

        • SuckerForRed

          I think the lack of another hooker I Brisbane may have had am influence.

        • Custard Taht

          I am sure if the Tahs went to the valley, they could have found a replacement.

        • Andy

          He did it out love apparently…..

    • Hoss

      Because according to someone who posted something recently -apparently all alcoholics are going to hell……I thought, reading your posts, you already knew that.

      • GO THE Q REDS

        Exactly….. and RA set a precedent ripping up a player’s contract for putting up that list! I’m quite sure if Joyce had lost a family member recently to a drunk driver Latu would be walking the green mile allready….

        • Hoss

          So somehow Latu reportedly being over the limit has somehow got something to do with Alan Joyce and a hypothetical hit-and-run ?

          GTQR – your not Geoffrey Robinson in real life are you ? Are you planning on writing a book on this – cause I want first edition, signed.

        • GO THE Q REDS

          Hoss, I know YOUR not stupid! Latu wasn’t just reported over the limit….. he was Arrested with multiple offences! And if you can’t see the hypocracy between the way RA instantly dealt with the Folou issue before a review…back peddling because of it and then letting Latu play a game directly after being arrested for a DUI before his review stating it was only fair…… then I’ve over estimated you!

        • Hoss

          Had a teacher tell me I was stupid so I said to him I wanted a second opinion and he said ‘ok and your ugly too’.

        • Greg

          Hard to fault teachers sometimes @hoss

        • Hoss

          I had the last laugh mate and completely failed his tute’s out of spite. I learned him proper-good.

        • GO THE Q REDS

          Well deflected Hoss……understandable tho.

        • Hoss

          If that gives you comfort, so be it. I am just invoking some Sam Clemens and bid you adieu.

        • idiot savant

          I think between you two never the twain shall meet.

      • Keith Butler

        But he’ll repent and all will be forgiven.

    • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

      Probably because it isn’t yet clear what happened, as proved by you asking the questions.

      With Folau, there was no questions about what happened, and what the threat was.

      • Human

        Sorry mate, I cannot see any threat in Folau’s comments.

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          *slow clap*

        • Human

          ??

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          The threat I was referring to was Qantas pulling its sponsorship.

        • onlinesideline

          home truths can be threatening … sometimes … cant they ?
          opps ….
          tip toes out the room (pink pather music wouldnt be a bad idea round about now)

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          Well, the truth is that Qantas might pull its sponsorship, which was the only thing that matters.

        • onlinesideline

          I heard rumours the vatican maybe interested. They certainly have more money than Qantas. Most of the chuch are gay and Izzy will be be back in. Two birds one stone.

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          The Vatican is interested in what?

      • Geoffro

        Drunk sleeping.S’pose he’s guilty by definition of being behind the wheel but at least he wasn’t driving the bloody thing.Tahs management should have stood him down on the night though.

        • Custard Taht

          I think the Tahs are just waiting on Raelenes response, who is waiting on Alan Joyces response, before deciding what action to take.

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          Probably. Wouldn’t you only act after you had all the facts and knew the consequences of acting?

        • Custard Taht

          In most cases yes, but sometimes it is just makes sense to shoot from the hip. In this case it makes sense to wait, because he committed an offence instead of causing offence, breached the CoC, but there is no public outrage. This allows RA and the Waratahs to take a measured response, because it hasn’t warranted the attention of those who always look to take offence.

        • GO THE Q REDS

          Imagine if the public outrage flavour of the month is about healthy eating next week…… and Samu Kerevi posts a picture eating a donut!
          RA- “Omg….Quick….. Shut that hateful degenerate down before we get flamed”

          The balance seems horrible off at RA!

        • Custard Taht

          Yep, unfortunately the perpetually offended have weaponised social media. They have learnt that if you scream loud enough and long enough, you can have anyone who has “caused” offence sacked.

          Regardless of which side of the debate you fall on, the problem begins and ends with social media, it is a pox on humanity.

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          I thought you needed to have the keys in the ignition go be guilty. It’ll be interesting to see the facts of the case come out.

        • Custard Taht

          I was told by a NSW copper, if you are going to sleep it off in your car, don’t have the keys on your person or in the ignition, and don’t be in the driver’s seat.

        • Brisneyland Local

          Nope you only need to have the keys in your possession.

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          Ah thanks for clearing that up. I think whether Latu has his contract torn up may depend on the facts of the case. RA may be more likely to be lenient if he was only asleep with the guys in his possession, rather than driving.

        • Brisneyland Local

          LAtu was asleep at the wheel of his car, engine running, passed out, at an intersection blocking trafic and blew three times the limit. His licence was suspended at the time for a previous drink driving offence.
          He is farked. And RA have to come down hard on him or they will look stupid.

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          Aaaaah, okay. That’s very different to what I was hoping, which was Latu asleep in a parked car with his keys in his pocket and no intention of driving…

        • Brisneyland Local

          Yep. Considering his track record they are going to have to go very hard at him, or they will be seen as inequitable in their treatment of players.
          It will be interesting to see how RA handles this one.
          The fact that Gibson let him play knowing those facts before hand is pretty poor.

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          In a situation like this it may turn on whether a convinction is recorded. RA had no grounds to sack other players who were accused of crimes, because they weren’t found guiltly.

          I agree that those allegations don’t sound good…

        • Brisneyland Local

          Especially with previous criminal convictions. I.E. Previous conviction for drink driving with a licence suspension.

        • Huw Tindall

          Does he have a dud record off the pitch beyond his licence? Thought he was just a yellow card magnet.

          Also Gibson’s hands were tied really. There would be no reserve hooker in ready to play in Brisbane which means the Tahs couldn’t field a legal side (need full front row on the bench) which may have meant a forfeit!

        • Brisneyland Local

          That reason would be the only reason they could get away with it. I think they knew earlier than they were letting on. Officially they knew at midday, and the game was at 7:45 pm. That is plenty of time to get your reserve hooker on the plane from Sydney. Even on a Sat there are flights leaving every 90 mins.

        • GO THE Q REDS

          You see bro. How stupid does RA and the Tahs look now, letting him play just after that happens! Oh but nah their integrity check trumps it all…

        • SuckerForRed

          Shite BLL. Where did you find that out from?

        • Brisneyland Local

          Police report.

        • Brisneyland Local

          SFR, have posted this on an old post so it is not in current traffic. I am organising a GAGR’s get together at the Wallabies Vs Argentina game at Suncorp. Hoss, KRL, Keith Butler and Nutta, and respective wives and partners are attending too. If you are interested in joining us, please message me back, and I will shoot you the email address to contact me and send you through the arrangements. Regards BL

    • Maybe if Latu posted on Insta “All Drink and Drive kiddies, police are stupid” or similar, perhaps you’d have a point?

    • Brisneyland Local

      GTQR it is illegal to sleep in your car drunk if you have the keys in your possession and you are in the drivers seat. the law views it the same as you are driving.

  • Huw Tindall

    Well the run home in the Australian conference is going to be a hum dinger now. Brumbies in box seat but on any day all of the teams can beat one another.

    Game was always going to be forwards v backs and the Tahs forwards had enough to allow Foley and Beale to play it Queensland’s half and force penalties. Although they were outscored I’m tried I thought Tahs backs looked more of a threat. Unfortunately the Reds backs are too reliant on Kerevi.

    Usual suspects stepping up. Kerevi has to be Wallaby 12. Beale best game all year. Foley 8/9 kicks and conducted well. L No shame being run over by Kerevi. Kepu a mountain of work. Even Phipps had a blinder. Reds locks impressed but backrow was poor. A lot to like about that McGahn bloke at fullback too. Will keep an eye on him.

    Wouldn’t hate on Hegarty too much as other than his boot was excellent. Besides if Foley had kicked all his shots Tahs would have won anyway.

    • joy

      Hegarty is our best first five statistically. Best in defence, best goal kicker. Reasonably fast (faster than Hooper last night, ex the work rate), durable and reliable but it takes more than that to win a world cup. It’s called X factor. He might even have that if he loosens up. Although Cooper is my first choice, I think Barnes, err Hegarty, has great potential.

  • HJ Nelson
    • Hoss

      Thanks for sharing mate – great images. Makes you appreciate the sheer athletic qualities and power of someone like SK when you see images like yours. He has trimmed down, pure athlete and lost none of his explosive power.

      Thanks again.

    • Andy

      Great stuff Tremas!

    • From NooZealand

      Excellent photos and thank you for sharing. It shows that Australia does have the kind of players needed to be a very competitive rugby team.

  • Andy

    Good game to watch probably because both teams were very loose in D. I did think the Tahs were better over the 80 though.

    On Qld:
    Hegarty unlucky with his kicking but great everywhere else. Think he is the most complete 10 at the moment the way he is playing. Foley was reasonable without being spectacular.

    Not sure what’s going on with Tongan Thor. Just doesn’t look the same player at the minute.

    On NSW:
    Glad we are seeing Beale consistently at 15. He is so much better there, always was. And I think he is playing himself back in into the Wallabies frame. Even his tackling and physicality has picked up.

    Hannigan- he’s not even in the top 5 backrowers in NSW. Miller, Hooper, Wells, Dempsey and even Swinton are more effective than him. And from what I’ve seen of Simmons at 6 and Holloway at 8 I could probably say the same thing. It will be a complete sham if he makes the Wallabies squad. Please Johnson and O’Connor, do the right thing….

    • SuckerForRed

      Re Thor – I think he got a shoulder “stinger” early in the second half so he had a few scrums before he can off that NSW had it over him. Otherwise they tag teamed him all night to make sure he didn’t get to many breaks.

      JP being knocked out early in the first half didn’t help either. Although Hoopter does well for 20 mins or so he in not quite at 60mins yet. Hence once Thor was injured the Reds scrum crumbled. Stuff to work on.

    • GO THE Q REDS

      I enjoyed the game actually…… Hegarty, Kerevi, Newsome and Phipps amount others all great to watch tonight!

      • joy

        Phiipps had a blinder last night.Talk about energy.

  • IIPA

    Classic ( but far from classy ) diversion tactics. 11 in a row must taste pretty salty. And you blokes swung further to the Libs! A shocker of a night in Qld.

    • Pearcewreck

      IPA,
      Sounds like you are salty about the election.
      It’s called democracy.
      Boo, hoo, hoo, ……how about those 70 straight polls that said Labour would win hey???

      • IIPA

        I’m politically agnostic. Actually I swing like those parties where the keys go in the bowl.

        I’m just calling out drivel when I read it.

    • GO THE Q REDS

      I actually have zero idea what your talking about. I don’t follow politics.

  • Pearcewreck

    So here we see the rank hypocrisy of Rugby in Australia.
    IF commits no crime, breaches no contract, merely states his beliefs in his own time, nothing to do with work …. gets sacked.
    Tolu Latu whilst driving on a suspended license, so not his first offence, commits a crime, Waratahs know about it before kick off…. let him play anyway.
    Absolutely disgraceful hypocrisy by those running the game in this country.

    • Greg

      Izzy to be re-instated and made captain?

      • joy

        And coach. And moderator for GAGR.

    • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

      Has he committed a crime? I wasn’t aware the decision has been decided on a court of law yet.

      I think you’ve still missed the point on the Folau thing. Pretty impressive given how much has been written on it.

      • GO THE Q REDS

        You tell us bro!
        Is being arrested for drink driving commitment of a crime? Driving on a suspended liscense and drink driving? What about that one?
        What about posting your beliefs online… Is that illegal?
        Clear it up for us mate……

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          It’s not a crime until it’s proven in a court of law. Until it is, they’re allegations.

          Of course posting your beliefs online isn’t a crime, except for highly specific beliefs which may be classified as hate speech.

        • GO THE Q REDS

          Nope your wrong….. your confusing “crime” with “civil wrongs”
          Civil wrongs go to court for the commonwealth or State to argue…… Crime goes to court for other reasons. But if you are arrested, the crime has been commited.

        • Greg

          “alleged to have been committed” yes?

        • GO THE Q REDS

          If your arrested for the murder of John doe….. It’s not alleged. I see what your saying and what I failed to spell out but that’s irrelevant atm! Tolu Latu was approached, tested then arrested for DUI. Not alleged DUI! Caught in the act of the crime!

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          Are you thick? Of course it’s alleged until it’s proven in a court of law.

          Presumption of innocence is one of the greatest cornerstones or western civilisation.

        • GO THE Q REDS

          Of course there is innocence until proven guilty….. but your missing what a crime is. You do know you can be convicted of a crime even before your arrested! The courts are there to provide a basic human right! But good luck getting off a charge where your caught red handed over double the legal limit plus all the other charges!

        • Patrick

          Sure, but very very few people ever actually get out of a DUI or driving on a suspended licence.

          Lots get their sentence reduced, and some, but only an infinitesimally few some, get off.

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          But that’s irrelevant. Presumption of innocence is one of the cornerstones of our civilisation and nation. You cannot just say ‘most people don’t get off, therefore, the presumption of innocence doesn’t apply’.

        • Steve

          Oh man, that is something else…

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          No, actually your final comment is wrong. You can be arrested and charged, and found not guilty.

          The law presumes your innocence, until a court of law finds you guilty.

    • GO THE Q REDS

      Not to mention Latu failed to tell his team…… they found out from the papers! And he’s just come back from a long suspension for dangerous play!
      RA have stood him down from wallabies training but yesterday the Tahs boss said he was free to play, as until they had conducted due process with a review into whether his DUI breaches the code of conduct they needed to be fair! Apparently they consulted with RA to reach that assessment! Righteoooo!

    • Gipetto

      Some commentators say Izzy’s post is causing young people with issues with their sexuality to suicide, so Folau has to go, but apparently no young people die as a result of drunk drivers or drug taking ( see Jimmy Slipper). Izzy’s post has been republished on a lot of sites – apparently in total disregard for the pressure it places on suicidal youth. Death by drugs and on the road at the hands of drunk drivers must be an acceptable part of Aussie culture

    • Braveheart81

      The big difference here is that Latu’s incident came to light in the hours before kick off of an away game. Folau’s commenced 10 days before his next scheduled game.

      I don’t think anyone is expecting for Latu not to be disciplined.

  • Huw Tindall

    You sure? Hegarty missed 5 convs = +10 points. Foley missed 1 penalty = +3 points.

    Original score 32-40 then new score 42-43. Tight result but still Tahs win.

    • joy

      That’s not his history. Australia’s best goal kicker bar none.

  • Brisneyland Local

    I understand.I dont think anyone should be happy with this one. Or pretty much anything else that is happening in the rugby scene at the moment.

  • joy

    Spot on.

  • SuckerForRed

    Something else I learned on Saturday night – the Player Code of Conduct that is available on the RA website is not the CoC to which professional players in Australia is held. I can only assume (god help me) that the one for the players is stricter & more precise as the one on the website is as vague as.

  • Brisneyland Local

    Yep. some people call me a cynic. I just say I am an optimist with real world experience.

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