Waratahs v. Reds: The Post Mortem

Hugh Cavill February 27, 2012 41

No GravatarWelcome to the new G&GR post-mortem, where we dig through the corpse of each weekend game and try and work out what happened. Hopefully we will be pumping out a few of these each week, so let us know what you think of the format.

The Tahs/Reds game provided plenty of interesting things to talk about, so let’s get stuck into it:

 

The Result

Reds 25 (Shipperley try; Harris conv, 6 pgs) beat Waratahs 21 (Palu, Pretorius tries; Halangahu conv, 3 pgs). Crowd 32,071. Ref: Jaco Peyper

 

The Damage

Surprisingly the Tahs got through the game pretty much unscathed. A few players came off with cramp or minor niggles (BKH, Pretorius, Palu) but all should be right to play on Friday.

The Reds had one injury- James Hanson, who sprained his ankle. Queensland staff are confident he’ll be right to play on Saturday. Nothing else to report.

 

The Moment

A bit of a no-brainer here. The Dom Shipperley try spoke volumes about both sides. The decision to kick the ball away was called for by Tom Carter, a senior member of the Waratahs who should have known better. He has been mooted in some circles as a possible Waratah captain, and that there was the reason why it can never happen. McKibben put in quite a good kick under the circumstances, but the Reds worked it to a ruck in centre field after a great run from Ben Tapuai. They then backed themselves to spin the ball straight away, and it paid off. The bastards scored in audacious fashion.

 

Benny Taps clearly riding high after being asked to tip for G&GR

The Man

My man of the match was Ben Tapuai. The game was largely dominated by forwards but I don’t think anyone particularly stood out. Palu and Higginbotham both played well, as well as Pretorius and Harris in the backs. But Benny Taps was the only bloke who consistently threatened the Waratah defensive line, with a mix of slick footwork and brute strength. He also played a key role in setting up Shipperley’s try. He has wasted no time in sending a strong message to the Wallaby selectors.

 

The Talking Point

There was plenty of interesting talking points to come out of the game, but the one that interests me the most is the discussion about the standard of the game. Some posters (here and elsewhere) opined that the game was a horrible display, and the standard of play across the Tasman was far better than what we saw at Homebush. I disagree. I thought the game was actually pretty good to watch, even if the first half was a little slow. The last 20 was absorbing, and it was telling that there was not the usual procession of older members out of the ground with 10 minutes to go.

But more than that I think people may have expected a little bit too much from the first game of the season. Round 1 is always a weekend of scrappy, physical slogs played by teams at 70 or 80% of what they are generally capable of doing. On top of that when was the last time a Reds/Tahs game was a free-flowing game? I think there may have been one back in the 60s, but it’s been lean since then. When you combine those two factors the game was always going to be a physical slogfest.

And as far as physical slogfests go I thought the standard was pretty good. There weren’t too many dropped balls, wayward kicks or missed tackles. Both defensive lines performed with aplomb, which is more than can be said for the Blues and Crusaders. I’m not saying this game was the game of the round, but I do think it was up there, and I expect both sides to be right in there at the business end of the season.

 

My impression of the Carter/Higgers stoush

The Haiku

Tahs were home and hosed
But no! A stupid box kick!
Reds go wide, score, win.

 

What do you think we can take from the game? Can you come up with a better haiku?

Discussion »

  • Bay35Pablo

    The Moment failed to mention Robbie Horne in a turnstile role. Unusual for him. Point was it took a few stuff ups to give that try away. Murphy’s Law.

    Although they tend to be tight affairs, Tahs were good in the set piece, but I thought the Reds looked better in early rucks which was disappointing. The Tahs in recent years just haven’t shown enough mongerel in there, or nous.

    Horne busted it up a few times in the 2nd which caused us to ask why thye hell it hadmn’t happened sooner. Probably tired legs openign up the defence.

    Sarel looked crisp. If he keeps that up, which Burgess never could, I’ll repeat my question of why it seems so hard for Australia to produce halves that can pass quickly and accurately. WF are our coaches doing?

    Beau’s niggling reminded me AGAIN of how spewing I am the numpties in charge let him go.

    • Skippy

      Don’t know what game you were watching mate but Sarel has the worst pass in Super 15. It’s slow and not accurate. Burgess was inaccurate but at least it had a bit of pace on it. The point is mate… go back and watch the replay and compare Sarel’s passing with quality passers of the ball like Genia etc. I think you will agree Sarel is school boy at best in this department.

      • Reds Fan 2012

        Agreed his pass was ordinary at best but Genia had a shocker. Thats been quite a few in a row now too.

        • Skippy

          Not sure I agree with some of the criticism of Genia. Too many people in my opinion think he has a ‘bad game’ or is out of form if he doesn’t produce a 50 m line break or produce a magical play. The fact is, he does a tremendous amount of work off the ball, organising, running support lines, clearing up in defence (as part of a defensive unit) and so on. Yes, he made a few handling errors (but so did everyone) and you could argue Palu’s try was a direct result of Genia’s spill (but then again the scrum/backrow are equally at fault) but Genia’s composure, leadership and direction on the field is vastly underated. He is a puppet master, sitting in the pocket pulling the strings… and he does this well. And any scrumhalf when the team is going forwards and dominating at the breakdown, you look a million dollars. When the team is only on equal footing or worse… the scrumhalf is blamed or criticised for having a quiet game or being out of form.

        • BDA

          I thought the passing from the Reds’ back was off in general. To many lobb passes that went behind the man. I’m sure things will improve in the coming weeks.

  • Bay35Pablo

    BTW Jaco Peyper shall forever more be referred to me as Sheriff Jaco P Coltrane. As I twetted during the game, if he was a hprse they’d have taken him outside and shot him. Useless.

  • Joe Mac

    It wasn’t Horne but Alcock who missed the tackles leading up to the try. I cant believe he has copped nothing from his ineffetive performance

    • RJ

      Rob Horne, most overrated player in Oz Rugby. he wouldnt make the reds XV, thats for sure.

      • bill

        Horne would probably be a shoe in to the reds 1st xv at OC. pace, size….fragile though. He needs a good couple of seasons with very limited injuries. He’d be a good foil to taps. Although I think Horne’s a better in centre than out. That’s where I’d rather have Taps, who is a better in than out.

        Both are better than at in centre than ….I can’t remember his name from our world cup squad. The horror, the horror.

    • Muffy

      He did cop something….From Higgers!!!

  • Bay35Pablo

    Arm wrestle. Blue and Red.
    One moment. Chaotic madness.
    Banjos. Kicks. Bugger.

    • professor

      I think you’ll find that’s not a haiku…

  • Homer J

    I think we can take away that Carter is a twat. Stupid call only matched by his pathetically imature sledging of a far superior rugby player and gentleman in Digby before the game had finished. G.R.U.B.
    Dan Vickerman needs to take him aside and give him a talking to.

  • Jnor

    Liking the format Baabaa, I think we should pass the hat around for a cultural exchange to Japan off the back of your poetry.

    I thought the game was of a pretty good standard as well, especially considering it was the first round and a Tahs Reds game, as you say.

  • godfrey

    Can we pls feck Carter off I cant stand the ballbag. Hangers too.

  • Jimmy Crouch

    Did we all really have to watch the game to know Tom Carter is a muppet and Dean Mumm is soft? Backline needs to change with any of the below combos.
    10. Barnes or Foley
    12. Barnes, ACC or Horne
    13. AAC or Horne
    15. AAC or Foley

    • hannibal

      Agree desperate need for ball players and spark in the Tahs backline. Hard I guess with Barnes, Mitchell, Turner out and Beale gone but honestly Hangers, Carter, Horne and a Rookie doesnt strike fear into any defending team.

  • Homer J

    Interestingly Drew Mitchell said in the after match show that Foley needs to be in the starting line-up. I think Pretorius, Foley, Barnes, Horne is a pretty good line-up.
    Foley looked to have a wide range of skills and Horne looks to have added a few kegs of muscle.

    Tom Kingston looked good for a young kid, will develop into a tough player.

  • Brax

    This is a good & balanced analysis of the game.

  • Dave

    Man, just read Grumbles’s comment on Rugbyhell and wonder how someone who has earned his living watching rugby since I was a twinkle in the postman’s eye could so fundamentally fail to understand the advantage law. I should have known better than to stray to the dark side like that.

    • Different Dave

      Shows you how biases cloud judgement, even in supposed “objective” reporting. Growden is a tool, a lazy writer and a parochial NSW supporter. Read his crap if you want Tah news, but go elsewhere for anything else. Besides which, and not kissing arse, GAGR is the only place to come for good rugby analysis.

      • The Dave from the post above

        I don’t think that’s arse kissing – I read GAGR for the quality, it’s written by people doin’ it for the love of good football (and for the chicks).
        I was just surprised that a senior rugby correspondent at the newspaper with the largest rugby resources in the country couldn’t differentiate scrum advantage from penalty advantage, something that Sunnybank or Palmyra or Penrith Emus U/14s would be expected to understand.

  • jay-c

    first of al the captin should be the 1st man picked… not the 16th
    hangers is what the eps was created for
    carter is an idiot- when hes won s15, tri nations and established himself as best in the world then he can have a go at someone like ioane.
    alcock missed many tackles last year ad looks like he hasnt improved-useless. jenkins in asap
    that was more his fault than hornes- horne is suppost to be able to trust his cover
    reds played poorly, but agree taps was fantasic- i cant think of a moment ive seen him make a mistake yet- both in attack and defense- always seems to make the corect choice, haris kicking to create some problems upon quades return. and shipperlys try fantastic- did i read correctly hes the fasted in the reds squad?

  • http://www.andrewmosey.com Moses

    Tahs had it in bag
    You are fucking kidding me
    Arsey try to win

    • Funk

      Not too bad, but you should change “arsey” to….”special” or maybe “shit hot”

  • g man

    really hpe tht digby r samo line tom catrter up next time oand put him n his bak, the reasn the reds wn tht game was disapline teamwrk and backing therer mates both tom carter and palu played cchep shots, especially tom carter, he is a joke worst center in profeesional fotball, never seen him do much ever in rugby. loyd johansen will hammer him when they the rebels, cant wait for. reds 2012 champs,

    • http://www.timmsonline.com Steve Timms

      What? Let me try and translate:

      I really hope that Digby and Samo line Tom Carter up next time and put him on his back. The reason the Reds won that game was discipline, teamwork and backing their mates.

      Both Tom Carter and Palu played cheap shots, especially Carter, he is a joke and the worst centre in professional football. I have never seen him do much in rugby. Lloyd Johansson will hammer him when they play the Rebels.

      I Can’t wait for the Reds to be the 2012 champs.

      • chequebalance

        fair go mate, we all got what he was trying to say. Having a go at someone for their language skills is a bit low.

  • Muffy

    I am quite disappointed…when I saw it was The Barbarian writing this review. I was reaching into the drawer for my troll hat, trembling with excitement… but I am sad, nay, devastated to read a balanced review that offends me in no way…what so ever…well played Sir, well played.

  • Dave

    You write no particular forward stood out. Here I must point out Hanson. I thought he had a blinder. He was seemingly involved in everything.
    Tapuai did have a good game though. Perhaps too early to say but maybe he’ll get into the Green and Gold this year.

    • Homer J

      I agree, Hanson was everywhere carrying the ball and making tackles. he needs an afro or something to stand out more. TPN did have a good game though as well.
      QLD really need to find some props and quick.

    • bill

      Gill looked good. Overall it was a well contested game. Thought Alcock looked fairly energetic for the tahs as well.

  • Jimmy Crouch

    Can someone explain to me when There was a cheap shot by Cliffy? Robinson was being a pest and not letting him go. Cliffy even appealed to the touchie. Robinson is lucky he is still alive.

    • suckerforred

      Cliffy would have been fine if he had not got his hands involved. Wasn’t a cheap shot, just unnecessary. All he needed to do was walk off over Beau and it would have been over in a twinkle.

  • Canadian

    Good to finally see an aussie team with a goal kicker. How many games have there been over the last few seasons where the result was decided by missed penalties? The first player picked should be the best goal kicker available. If you have to cover his other weaknesses, so be it.

    • Robson

      Yep 7 from 7, straight and true and not one looked like missing is a good night at the office.

  • pants

    Monkey Magic Hands
    He can take the best made plans
    and turn them to shit

  • mattyinred

    Finally got to watch the game tonight and afterwards was on Gumtree and saw this ad:

    “For sale one overrated second rower/backrower. Suggestions of nepotism, overvalued contributions and undervaluing the Green and Gold are all misrepresentations. Willing to trade for one Beau (we were wrong). To express interest please contact NSWRU and mention the phrase ‘Mum’s the word’. All expressions of interest will be considered.”

    In relation to the game – loved to see the Reds get up but more importantly the Tahs seem to have finally got themselves together. All good for the Wallabies.

  • Tahzan

    Always good to be on the edge of your seat till the end of the game! Ok, dumb move to kick the ball away. No argument. But from the time Qld turned the ball over and the Tahs kicked down field untilnthe time the reds cleared that first tackle was 15 seconds…………..AND the Tahs defensive line still represented a bag of dropped marbles. It takes the 15 on the field to lose the game and they all figured out how.

  • bill

    Thought it was a fairly good standard to tell the truth. Some worries, Genia seems to have lost his freshness and become a bit formulaic, we really need more forward runners off him at pace. How many times did we pick up the line out from higgers at 2, maybe the tahs were biding their time on it but just too easy. Not much invention from Harris and Taps, they were solid but for their ability..?

    Maybe all that is down to a couple of well drilled teams cancelling each other out. Don’t agree with Marto, pure luck….marginal call. Didn’t think the kick was that bad, Taps slipped a couple of tackles that the tahs were very,very entitled to make, as he has done pretty much his entire career, the reds pass wide and…Ships has plenty to do to give the Tahs the shits. Up until that point I thought Kingston had outshone him, good quick feet on Kingston.

  • http://www.enterprise-advocate.com Noob

    Why was this game played at ANZ and not the SFS?

    The crowd was 32,000 and the record crowd (2002) was less than the capacity of SFS.

    To me this is money grabbing (hoping that a new record crowd will be set) taking the lead ahead to creating the best atmosphere for the fans

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