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Wednesday’s rugby news has a switch for Israel Folau on the cards, Will Genia out for this weekend, Sam Warburton ruled out and Dan Carter takes legal action.


Folau Switch on the Cards

Wallabies coach Michael Cheika says a midfield switch for Folau is possible following an injury to Samu Kerevi but maintains his best position is fullback.

“It’s always fullback, for mine,” he said.

“That doesn’t mean that I can’t, last week we played him up in the front line a bit as a different type of threat and then we could pull him back and do something different this week.

“The thing is it’s not about what’s his best position it’s how he can play his best every game, because for us once we get out of the set piece we’ve got some very clear roles and no matter whether he was playing 13 or 15, his role would be the same after that anyway.

“So, I think it’s nice for people to speculate over that, it creates interest in the game but at the end of the day it’s more about him fulfilling and going beyond his potential.”

Genia Unavailable

Will Genia will be unavailable for this weekend’s test match against Wales after his French club, Stade Francais, refused to release him.

Wallabies coach Michael Cheika made a request for Genia to Stade Francais president to use him for the match against Wales but it was denied.

The match falls outside the World Rugby international window so clubs have the right to refuse releasing players for international duties.

Nick Phipps will now likely start at halfback with Nick Frisby on the bench.

Genia played his first match for Stade Francais in 10 months last weekend where they won 25-19 over Lyon.

Warburton Ruled Out

Wales captain Sam Warburton has been ruled out of this weekend’s clash against the Wallabies after failing to recover from an ongoing neck injury.

Justin Tipuric is set to replace Warburton in the backrow.

“Sam is going back to the (Cardiff) Blues to get some game time under his belt,” Wales defence coach Shaun Edwards said.

“Obviously he hasn’t had much game time. We’re very fortunate to have someone like Tips (Tipuric), who has been playing well. Sam’s our captain but we’ll play as well as we can without him.

“Our defensive system is very reliant on people having speed and Tipuric really helps our line speed when he plays.”

Meanwhile, lock Alun Wyn Jones will also not be considered for selection against the Wallabies this weekend following the death of his father.

Carter Takes Legal Action

Dan Carter, Joe Rokocoko and Argentinian winger Juan Imhoff are set to take their case to the public prosecutor after confidential medical records were made public by the media.

The trio were all cleared of any wrongdoing after an investigation by the medical commission of the French Rugby Federation.

Racing 92 said in a statement that the players had decided to take legal action “in order to shine light on how their medical confidentiality was breached.”

“After totally justified medical treatment dispensed conforming to the rules, three Racing players saw their medical confidentiality breached when details were reported by the media.

“This serious and evident violation must not create any future difficulty for anyone wishing to work securely and transparently with the relevant anti-doping institutions.”

  • Afterm

    Be interesting to find out why Cheika likes Folau at fullback. He can be so dangerous with the ball it just seems like he doesn’t get many opportunities. In comparison Ben Smith seems to turn up with the ball a lot more when he plays fullback. Not sure if that is because of the way each team plays or the way those two individuals play.

    • npivag

      I feel like sometimes people wilfully don’t read the article. In professional rugby your jersey is a number that most matches your role, but it’s not like junior footy where that’s what you do all of the time.

      The only thing Folau’s 15 jersey says is that he usually defends at 15, and as he’s excellent under the high ball, WHY NOT?

      Anyway, here’s excerpts from the article…

      “We’ve got some very clear roles and no matter whether he was playing 13 or 15, his role would be the same after that anyway.”

      “Last week we played him up in the front line a bit as a different type of threat and then we could pull him back and do something different this week.”

      • Seb V

        Not a fan of swapping positions during a game.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Nor am I. happy for it to happen sometimes due to circumstances – no need to run for a ruck if you get up and the ball is about to come free – but play your damn position. It works for every other team in the world.

        • HK Red

          Why do Wallaby coaches consistently believe that players can be moved around on the field, slotting into positions that they rarely play. Okay, it worked brilliantly for MacQueen with Larkham, but results from these experiments have been poor since. Why does the test coach think that it’s a good idea to play someone in a position that they don’t play in at Super, NRC, etc level? It makes me tear my hair out and there’s not that much left to start with!

        • Braveheart81

          We lack depth and there are plenty of players that play in key positions at Super Rugby level that are better at a secondary position than an alternative at the level up. People continually say this is something that only Australia does but it isn’t the case.

          Lienert-Brown has played 12 and 13 for the All Blacks this season. Dagg and Smith have both played on the wing despite playing 15 in Super Rugby. Kaino generally plays 8 in Super Rugby. Owen Farrell often plays 12 for England.

        • HK Red

          Think there’s a bit more difference between switching reasonably complementary positions 10-12 or 12-13, 11/14-15 and the switch between 15 and 13. I’m not sure lack of depth is a valid reason. How about we actually develop players in one position solidly, rather than switching them around, not allowing them to really get to know and be consistently very good in one spott. I think this was one of the things that held back Two-Dads early in his career. Great player and I loved to see him on the field, but he rarely got a chance to make a position his own.

        • Braveheart81

          Folau played more games in 2016 Super Rugby at 13 than he did at 15. He has been wanting to move there for a couple of years.

        • McWarren

          Has he been wanting to?
          But for me the same argument holds true at SR level.
          I’ve been bellowing on about this for years. If depth is the problem at 13 and you move your 15 to cover it, then likely the guy covering 15 is your second choice, or been moved from the wing to cover 15. Now we have a winger playing fullback, a fullback playing 13 and new winger.
          I’d rather develop a 13 by playing him at 13 with the assurance that the guys playing 11, 14 & 15 are in there best positions. Particularly at SR level.
          Oh and I think the lack of depth is a result of this same said policy of making sure our ‘best’ players are on the field regardless of what position they play.

        • Braveheart81

          Yes, Folau has been wanting to shift to 13 and Daryl Gibson allowed it. It was a success for the Tahs and allowed Kellaway to play his preferred position of 15.

          It is only really now that we have genuine wingers of any reasonable quality available. Earlier in the season neither Speight nor Naivalu were available.

        • McWarren

          Yeah well we know Morohan is not world class, apparently.
          But my comments are more a generalisation of the Wallabies and oz SR teams over the past, well, 10 years really. Too scared to back our talent, so we play the hell out of the ‘identified talent’.

        • HK Red

          Exactly, promote development of players in specific roles, rather than stuffing it with “stars” in the hope they’ll do something great. In time, you’ll then develop a solid XV that are world class in their roles and know each others game inside-out. Team of champions vs champion team and all that stuff.
          I’d rather Folau wing and DHP at fullback, easy straight switch.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          I have no idea although I think there are a few main reasons. Firstly coaches get attached to players and want them on the field and so the “find” somewhere for them even if it’s out of position. NZ have been guilty of this in the past but I think the current management have got over that. Secondly, there often isn’t the depth of players to cover injuries and the management take someone who is proven and play them out of position as cover. Thirdly, no player is going to say no to the coach if they are asked to play out of position or they could lose their spot in the team. They will do their best but sometimes that isn’t enough.
          Unfortunately I think that currently there is far too much of this in Australian rugby and it is detrimental to the team.

        • HK Red

          Agree with your all your points KRL, and I think your first is something that Australian rugby is very guilty of (though to be fair, Cheika isn’t as bad as Deans was with regard to this). Too many “star” players shoehorned into the starting XV and not necessarily the best in country in those specific roles. I have no problem with covering injuries and it makes complete sense to have backup versatile players on the bench. As you say, NZ tend not to do it as much anymore and they seem to be going alright!
          Also BH81, I don’t agree that a player wanting to move is a good enough reason. Beale/JOC “wanted” to play 10……that went well.

        • Braveheart81

          Beale playing at 15 was a change in position based on all his junior rugby and his first couple of seasons of Super Rugby. I don’t think he ever requested a move back to 10 for the Wallabies. Regardless, he has a pretty decent record there. Moving to 12 in 2014 was a new position for him and he has done very well there. Arguably he’s played his best rugby at 12 since 2010 and 2011 when he was fullback.

          JOC shouldn’t have played 10 but we were short on options at the time.

        • HK Red

          More than once Beale said he “wanted” to play at 10, he was possibly just toeing the party line as he also threw in “I’ll just be happy to be on the field”, but he did say it. However, I don’t remember his move to 15 being at his request, nor his move to 12. Although they were arguably successful moves, Beale is not a great example as he had some brilliant games in those positions and a lot of utter tosh as well. I’d say that had more to do with his mental state at the time, than any great positional insight from the coaches.

        • wilful

          JOC only played 10 after Lilo got injured in the first minute, IIRC.Not his fault.

        • McWarren

          Didn’t JOC start at 10 against the Lions?

        • HK Red

          Correct, JOC started 10 in all three tests. Incoming coach McKenzie, then switched him back to wing for the 2013 RC

        • HK Red

          Think Lilo was playing 12 and was replaced by McCabe

        • Except that NZ often run players in one position on attack and another in defence. Why is it that when Aus are doing it we are “hiding our weak tacklers” but when NZ do it its a strategic masterstroke? The fact that a lot of tier one and Super coaches do it suggests that its not a totally stupid idea.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Not sure who you are talking about. Most of the AB’s stay in their position regardless of the phase of play

        • Missing Link

          Everything NZ does is due to the intelligence of Steve Hansen and Co.

          Everything Aus does is because Cheika is a clown

    • Seb V

      I’d say B.Smith is the second play-maker in the AB’s back-line. So he injects himself more in a play-making position. Whereas we have the 10/12 as play-makers and the rest of the back-line running support lines to them,

      • Kiwi rugby lover

        Mate every player is a play maker in the AB’s line. Unlike the wallabies we don’t rely on only having one or two

      • PeterK

        B Smith was played out of the game against the wallabies until the last 20 mins when it all fell apart.
        Wallabies did not kick to him and he had little involvement.

      • McWarren

        I think you’re right Seb. We are comparing two completely different players, both brilliant in there own right, but play different games.

  • Dud Roodt

    I feel like we’ve been playing exactly the same Welsh team for about 5 years now.
    Maybe it’s because they’re all called Jones but they seem to have a very low turnover of players

    • Tomthusiasm

      Jones is out, Williams has been rushed into the squad with Davies on standby as injury cover

      • Dud Roodt

        yes but what about Jones!?

        • Tomthusiasm

          Not considered due to playing in France.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Which one?

        • Dud Roodt

          You know, Jones? The guy who plays for Wales, and talks in that sing songy sort of way? JONES FOR GOD’S SAKE!

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          :-)

        • Tomthusiasm

          Isn’t he the chap from Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch?

        • Dud Roodt

          His ma was from Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch, his pa from Cwmamman but Jones was born in Mold (not sure if I spelt that correctly)

        • Tomthusiasm

          Ah, the pride of Mold

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Mould

        • Samuel Honywill

          Actually he was born in England like most of the Welsh squad are nowadays! :P

      • AlanDownunder

        Thomas also out. Evans into squad with James on standby. Much discussion of Jones’ continued omission.

        • Tomthusiasm

          It’s hard keeping up with the Jones’

        • AlanDownunder

          Wholesale sackings mooted after weekend’s debacle. Edwards, Davies, Edwards, Jones and Jones likely replacements.

    • McWarren

      Its very hard keeping up with the Jones.

    • SuckerForRed

      Thread of the week! PMSL

      • Parker

        Pure gold

  • Kiwi rugby lover

    I’m not so sure that giving people a role regardless of their position on the field during the set piece has proven to be that effective. I’d certainly argue that Folau has been, for the most part this year, pretty damn ineffective and I think that it is directly tied to the position. It’s like having Cooper on the wing in defence and at flyhalf (1st 5/8) in attack. It works well until there is a turnover and all of a sudden he’s out of position and you either can’t take as much advantage from the turnover or are more vulnerable with players having to play out of their role. Absolutely the players move around at times to make the most of what is in front of them and to play but it starts with a clearly defined role linked to the position and moves from there.
    Folau is absolutely dynamite under the high ball and then attacking with space and some freedom. His weaknesses include a lousy kicking game and a defence that hasn’t quite got it. I think that he would be much more effective at wing than either 13 or 15 and that on a wing he would have much more freedom to enter the line to take advantage of situations that arise.

    • Brisneyland Local

      As always, very well thought out and expressed. Folau is great under the high ball, because although airborne he is generally moving forward and lands still running. I think this is his advantage, he is fast, and agile, slipping tackles. Like most tall people he is not quick off the mark, but winds up well. So posiibly by moving him to the wing, you increase the chances of him getting the ball at speed and being able to manoeuvre and slip more tackles.
      I am surpirsed his kicking game is not better. His years in AFL taught him to kick both left and right foot, which is a rarity in rugby these days. Hopefully Mick Byrne can re-develop those skills.

      • PeterK

        Folau kicks long very well.
        The issue is it takes him too long and is a risk of a charge down so with players coming at him he passes it to someone else.
        In AFL after a mark you have all the time in the world to kick.

    • Seb V

      Folau for Wing! Been saying it for years now. Especially now that we have DHP who is probably a better all-round fullback.

      • Kiwi rugby lover

        Agreed mate

      • PeterK

        and DHP is a poor winger , he misses so many tackles and lack pace in attack.

        • Muzz

          But he’s a quality fullback so maybe he should play there.

        • PeterK

          yes I was supporting Seb V’s suggestion, it improves both positions

        • Blinky Bill of Bellingen NSW

          Just wondering – Why if DHP misses so many tackles on the wing, which seems easier to defend at than 15, is he better in defense at full back?

          Also not too sure why people think Izzy would be better on the wing that at 13. Isn’t it a case of wanting to get the ball in his hands more often? And doesn’t he lack acceleration and top end speed? For me I’d like to clone Ben Tune and have them on the wing.

        • PeterK

          Simple a F/B has to make less tackles than a winger so his weakness has less impact.

          There is a good argument for Folau at 12,13 or wing.

          On the wing there is more room so when he does get the ball it is more likely he will have more impact.
          The ball is kicked to the wing a lot so he can use his high ball catching and run it back.
          QC can do a good kick pass to the wing to try and score from. I don’t know whey wallabies rarely do this play, except foley has a poor kick pass.

        • Dorothy Ball

          Tune: awesome player but an orthopaedic surgeon’s dream.

        • Samuel Honywill

          Not sure I’d say 15 is a harder position to defend in fairness – on the wing you can be left with many more thankless scenarios like two-on-ones that end up making you look a bit silly, and you have to make more tackles too. There’s a reason why teams often hide weaker tacklers at full back, as they’re called upon less. If your full back is having to make too many one-on-one tackles, then something’s going tits-up in your system or your defensive line is having a proper ‘mare.

    • Gun

      I think that’s good analysis KRL.

    • wilful

      Seriously I think the only opposition to this view is that FB is the “prestige” position and you put the “best” player there, wingers are “less important” and you can’t have someone of Folau’s profile playing “only” on the wing.

      I don’t support this view of the relative status of positions, but I think it has some currency.

    • Seaweed

      DHP to FB, Folau to OC.

      • Kiwi rugby lover

        I think he’d be easily contained at centre at test level. The AB’s managed it with newbies there so I’m sure others would

  • Nutta

    I don’t know Fairies but for me, Dizzys best attribute defensively is his safety under the highball. That was the Achilles heel of our last couple of FB’s does no one remember Beale et al under the bomb (sorry BH81, I get I am mentioning him first, but I think this is legit)? That’s why he is 15 off set-peice. Aside from that, in open play he is runner 2 off the distributor generally. But if someone else could catch a fkn bomb then I still reckon we should play him at 12 set and 1st runner off the distributor in GP.

    • sampro

      DHP to fullback, an actual winger to the wing.

    • Seb V

      DHP has been very good under the high ball recently. Plus he as a kicking game, a solid enough running game.

    • Huw Tindall

      This is a strong point but at wing Folau would still be defending at the back a lot. I guess it’s a question of balance. What do we need more? Izzy defusing bombs or roaming dangerously from the wing or getting regular ball at 13?

  • onlinesideline

    Again the idea of allowing overseas players to play for Wallabies doesnt sit right with me. If Genia, Beale, whoever want to play in Europe, let them play in Europe but that should be end of story in my book. If you really want to play for the Wallabies and you know you would be picked then you should hunger for jersey enough to wait till end of career to earn Euro bucks. How can Frisby, or other up and comers see a clear channel to the jersey if its one step forward one step back based on the commercial adventures of players higher up. Its just so so wrong. Fudge that ! How is Cheika honoring the jersey by giving into guys Euro dreams ( thats Euro rugby dreams ppl) ?

    • Tomthusiasm

      Yes and now the team has to work around Genia’s availability. The rule worked for the World Cup but probably should be dropped now. Hooper is on about 60 tests, not sure how long he’s contracted to the ARU now.

      • onlinesideline

        Exactly, was going to say that as well. Again more inconsistency in selections, new combos, old combos, its madness.

      • PeterK

        I don’t want either Phipps or Frisby being the half for every game, neither look test quality to me. Nor did they perform well at super rugby level.

    • Braveheart81

      They need to play better. The situation would be the same if those players remained here except for the fact that they’d also be taking away more of the higher value contracts on offer in Australia.

      If Genia was still playing in Australia, Frisby might still be a reserve Super Rugby halfback.

      • SuckerForRed

        Or already be on a contract earning lots of Euro or Yen…….
        There are pros & cons on both side I think.

    • Seb V

      Or maybe they stayed in Aus to further develop there games so they are better then the Euro guys. Too bad they are way down a level from Genia. So pick the best players, who cares where in the world they play, they deserve selection because they are the clear best in their position.

      • onlinesideline

        whatabout the issue of being allowed to play for this match and not that match…you’re not worried about the the team chopping and changing ? – how can that be good for the team ? – look how bringing back euro guys for RC backfired. Gits got injured, mitchell was never used, Horwill was used once against Poms – where did it get us ? – just delayed development. If up and comers know if they GIVE EVERYTHING to make a new opportunity THEIRS they can actually KEEP it. If they know that no matter hard or well they play someone can fly right in and just kick em out no matter what – i just dont think that works mentally for people. Anyhow we disagree.

        • PeterK

          the issue there is that the o/s players were no longer the best. Horwill, Mitchell, Gits all clearly past their best and should not have been selected. The issue is Cheika values experience over performance.
          Genia being selected is the right thing to do. Performance first.

        • onlinesideline

          Maybe, I still think it comes at a cost. But there arent too many other players who are up near 60 tests so I dont think this issue is going to surface for a while.

        • PeterK

          Beale next year

        • Braveheart81

          We play two or three tests a year that are outside the international window where the foreign based players might not be available. I don’t think it’s a big deal.

        • McWarren

          Agree mate. Genia back playing for the Reds with Frisby pushing him or gone to the Force, as just one example. I personally find it hard to judge the form of the Euro players cause I don’t see them play enough. Selecting from local playing stock has two positives in my view. It strengthens our SR teams and creates more competition with the guy vying for the same spot. I think some sort of centralised contracting system across the SR teams would help. So if you end up with 3 quality 10’s (one can dream) in one side, the next season 1 of them can be sent elsewhere to fill a void? Hypothetical I know, but worth considering.

        • mikado

          Agreed. Picking foreign-based players is disruptive, which is why most of the Tier 1 nations do their best to discourage émigrés.

          It’s not just about availability for test matches. It’s also availability for training camps.

      • PeterK

        yes pick the best players when available

    • Thoms

      The Giteau rule should mean that the only foreign players who will be considered are those who have sweat blood for the Wallabies over 60 times. Seems a fair compromise.

    • Nutta

      Said before, will say again – I have no problem with a professonal plying his trade and earning his coin. There is a nobility to being a mercenary. However once you check out, you check out. One of the only real bargaining cards the ARU had to play was “stay home, be a Wobbly, then go OS and make more cash because you were a Wobbly”. Now…? Further to that, we are in Yr1 of the 4yr Bill cycle so it really should be exclusively domestic talent to identify and develop the next 12 core players for the next Bill. That’s why I want as many players as possible cycled through the Wobbs set-up this year and next to unearth those gems and give them time to settle and get a dozen or two dozen tests together. If we got to a Bill year and (say) we desperately needed a 12 (like we did with Gits) then pull in an ex-Wobbly mercenary from wherever to fit the bill for the Bill. Other then that, keep it home-grown especially in Yrs 1-3 of the Bill cycle.

      • Thoms

        Have the guys who are eligible not paid their dues?

        • McWarren

          Its not about whether they have paid their dues. Its about what is best for the Wallabies and Australian rugby in the long run. The Gits rule was a very short term solution.

        • Nutta

          Absolutely they paid their dues. That’s why they can now earn what they earn in the land of the long, soft Frog

      • Kiwi rugby lover

        I agree that this is the perfect time to blood some young talent. The problem is I’m not sure the public would allow a few losses as they built up again. Mind you………….
        I think you need some older guys to lead the development but I would hesitate to bring back people unless there was no one else

  • Tim

    Do you think its odd that all the northern hemisphere players got released for the test but Genia didn’t? I wouldn’t mind seeing IZZY at 13, with DHP at fullback. At the tahs he did destroyed teams at 13. His defense was ok but needed to improve. I would prefer him to go on the wing.

    • Braveheart81

      Not really. Stade Francais released Genia for a huge amount of time during the Rugby Championship (after also not having early in the season due to injury).

      • HK Red

        Though that was “test window”, so they have no choice.

    • Seb V

      Nah, Stade Francais have had Genia for what a year now? And he’s only played one game. It’s a fair call they want some return on their investment.

    • PeterK

      2 different comps.

      English Aviva clubs released their players , french top 14 didn’t. Wales is missing a french based player as well.

    • Jason

      I think it should be if ‘the team’ is releasing players for International Duties regardless of who might be called upon. While I do think this would result in less teams releasing players, it would even the field somewhat. No different to say an Australian Super Rugby team releasing one player but not another.

    • Kiwi rugby lover

      I don’t think he destroyed teams at 13. My impression was that he made some very good moves but was found out in defence and that he couldn’t field the big kicks in defence as he was up in the line. Also a big difference between making ground at Super level and then stepping up to tests where every player in every position is just that little bit better.

      • PeterK

        he wasn’t found in defence at all at 13.
        He made 85% of his tackles matching any other 13.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Yeah but how many tackles did he not even get close to making because he was out of position. I’m sorry but I don’t think the percentage of tackles completed is totally relevant. 13 is the most difficult position in the field for defence and it takes years of practice to get right and I don’t think Folau is anywhere near that yet. He doesn’t run the right lines and he is often caught out. I’m sure he’ll improve and with time will get better but I still question whether what you gain there is worth what you lose in his ability to challenge and catch the high ball coming through. These will all be kicked over his head at 13 so unless you do the whole swapping position thing – which I hate – you lose a lot of what he brings to the game. I also think that a good defence will limit his space at 13 whereas that is much harder to do if he’s in one of the back 3 positions.

      • Braveheart81

        His best two games were against the Stormers and Chiefs at 13. It also looks very much like it will be his Super Rugby position going forward. With Kerevi out it forces a change and Cheika decides whether he plays Folau at 13 and gives DHP a shot in his preferred 15 position or whether you bring back Kuridrani to 13 and leave everything else as is.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          I’d definitely bring in Kuridrani at 13 and swap DHP and Folau.

        • If Kuridrani is selected I strongly suspect that the numbers on their backs will reflect the defensive positions and that in attack Kuridrani will move out one, Folau will move to 13 and DHP to 15.

      • Tim

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzqjRGj8zPw the first 3 are him at 15 the rest are at 13. I agree with you his defense in that position isnt great but its not awful. In saying that against teams such as Wales and Scotland they would really struggle having izzy there in attack. I wouldn’t mind him starting there but my preferred position is him on the wing

  • Brisneyland Local

    BL’s random thoughts whilst shaving for the day:
    – Am really dissapointed that Genia is not available for the first match. That sucks. I am really of the view that our go forward and our distributed play works alot better when he is there. It also brings Cooper back in to the mix, which gives us a much better clearance from our 22, and our kicking games improves dramatically. HAte to harp on on this matter, but Foley’s kicking game is utter bollocks!
    – This whole lack of tv coverage for the Northern tour issue is a dogs breakfast. As one of those who refuses to get Foxtel (as I dont want 100 Channels I just want the Sports channels for rugby) I dont want to pay all that money for a Channel I only watch on the weekend. And yes before everyone else says it, I am a tight ass!
    – The Folau switch. I am still not certain where he belongs. KRL has consistantly made good comments on this one so will lean towards his valued opinion. However, Folau is out of sorts at the moment, and I am not necessarily sure a positional change will bring back his mojo so to speak!

    I look forward to the coming games and sure as shit hope I get to see them televised properly.

    • PeterK

      last game when Kerevi went of and Folau played at 12 and 13 from the set piece he came back into form.

      A positional switch is needed be it to the midfield or wing.

      • McWarren

        Or bench, I’d like to see a fresh Folau attacking a tiring defence at about the 65 minute mark. Plus he covers fullback, wing and centre in case of injury early on.

        • PeterK

          no way with Kerevi out he is the best attacking threat the backline has, he has to start

        • McWarren

          Surely B Foley is our best attacking threat?
          Yeah with Kerevi out I’d start Kuridrani and leave Folau at FB or if he absolutely has to be moved then swap him and DHP.
          My comment above was more in relation to this persistent conversation that Folau should be moved from FB from here on. I think the one thing he offers us more than anyone else is highball security and attacking threat from that highball. But if he has to be moved because the calls for it become deafening then put him on the bench.

        • Brisneyland Local

          Foley is really good at attacking the line, but he is the oppositions best attacking asset when he kicks. So it kind of nullifies itself!

        • McWarren

          BLL I really thought you’d see the tongue in my cheek.

        • Brisneyland Local

          Apologies McWarren, I ususally pick it up! Next time yuse the the tongue in cheek emoticon! ha ha

        • PeterK

          no way.

          Look at what little Foley had done in try assists , clean breaks etc through the whole RC.

          Far less than Folau.

        • McWarren

          see below

    • Dud Roodt

      Unfortunately the game has been run so far into the ground here that it doesn’t make commercial sense for the Network 10’s of the world to spend millions on rights to what amounts as “meaningless” games to the general populous, that are played at 1.30 in the morning and can’t recoup a fraction of those costs in ad revenue.
      It’s a sorry state of affairs.
      Fortunately for those of us with Foxtel, it appears Fox and/or BEin are currently negotiating rights to the France and England games

      • Brisneyland Local

        Yep and I am too much of a tight ass for Fox!
        Looks like I am rolling up to my next door neighbours at 0130 then! ;-)

        • Pearcewreck

          BLL,
          My brother lives in Brissy and he has Fox..
          Just knock on his door at 1.30 am, tell I sent you, he won’t mind!!!

        • Brisneyland Local

          Where abouts? Just incase my neighbour wont let me in?

        • Pearcewreck

          You know, just round the corner, on the hill near the station.
          Sssshhhh, don’t tell anyone.

        • McWarren

          You’re not Pearcewreck McWarren are you? My long lost brother.

        • Adrian

          He must be that guy in Brissy that can read AND write

      • onlinesideline

        hilarious username

    • Pearcewreck

      Nice post BLL
      But I can’t agree with you on Genia not being released.
      I mean, the post says he just played his first game for them for 10 months last weekend!!!!
      10 months!!!
      And Cheika asks for him to be released again!!.
      If I was Stade I would have told Cheika were to go.
      They are the ones paying him.

      • Brisneyland Local

        Pearcewreck (cool name by the way). I am absolutely sympathetic to Stade Francais. My reasons are purely selfish, I just love watching the G-Man do his thing. His form of late has been fantastic, and when he is in full flight it is a joy to watch. Especially his sniping runs. Also I just dont think I can watch another Phipps trainwreck!

        • Pearcewreck

          Quote
          Also I just dont think I can watch another Phipps trainwreck!

          That would be called a Phippswreck (he & I maybe related!).

          Yeah, I know what you mean, we will miss Genia, but I’m not complaining.

        • Brisneyland Local

          Farkin hilarious! Tip of the hat Pearcewreck, tip of the hat!

        • Pearcewreck

          Thanks BLL,

        • Brisneyland Local

          Call ‘em as you see ‘em!
          And that was a great one!

        • Hoss

          Bit harsh BRL. I thought our 9 & 10 were good last outing. Phipps was energetic, his usual good D and busy in attack, Foley played square and straight and to my eye, our attack was best of 2016. Not saying Sanchez hasn’t been all class, but he is the wrong side of 30 now and a chance to build more depth particularly Frisby. I follow the Tah’s and i am the first to admit Phipps pass has been (is ??) poo, but i thought i saw signs of improvement against the AB’s and i am confident that Mick Byrnes influence across the men in Gold is starting to show. Phipps just has to add a darting, running string to his bow, as he is a little predictable in attack. The option of him running a bit more at least holds the defence up a fraction and create a little more space out wide. I note Kafer observing the block of 4 AB’s defenders immediately off the ruck would race off the line to smother the Wallabies as they knew Phipps wouldn’t (unlikely too) have a snipe.

          And dont get me started about the AB’s being offside at the ruck – i thought the ruling was ‘behind the last feet of your own defender’. WTF are the touchies watching when the AB’s play – they (AB’s) are nearly standing alongside our 9 at the ruck, no wonder getting across the advantage line is hard………..

        • Adrian

          Relax, Brisney, and soak up that Queensland weather, …..last week Phipps was pretty good,….not in the same class as Genia, …but few are

    • Kiwi rugby lover

      Yeah I must admit I think Genia will be missed more than any of the other “Europeans”. The loosening of the rules to allow people to take off overseas and still play for the Wallabies was always going to be a dicey proposition and it’s now coming home to roost. I agree it almost had to occur but this along with the perennial state vs state vs club vs ARU infighting within Australian rugby is really hurting the game.
      I’m looking forward to watching these games as I do have Foxtel but what bugs me more is no NZ games shown anywhere in Australian TV. At least sky sport in NZ showed all the Aussie games.

      • McWarren

        Yeah I’m pissed off about the AB games as well. God how I’d love to see a world rugby channel. Get all the games in one spot and let fans pay to stream live to their laptops. I know I would.

        • jamie

          502 seems to be a “rugby channel” most of the time. Otherwise it’s showing cycling and yachts. Not my Cuppa tea

      • first time long time

        Just check if some of them are showing on Setanta, they gave previously

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Thanks I will

    • MalachyBernard

      I can understand not getting Foxtel when bucks are tight. In my house we have a bundled deal with Telstra and Foxtel, mainly because the wife and I want the best mobile coverage in the bush, and adding the basic Foxtel package was a marginal cost. This brought us better news then the garbage from free to air. Add to the fact I like my rugby and the mrs likes movies and we end up getting pretty good value. Broadband is not good enough for Netflix and others to be viable. Maybe that will change but for the moment Im happy with the package, especially the HD. You can’t get that quality streamed (so far as I know) and satellite and cable always beats streaming in terms of latency.

  • onlinesideline

    Wales v Australia – now listed on free to air site – just checked it

    • Adrian

      What channel, online?

      • onlinesideline

        mate i have had 3 references to the site edited out by moderators – theyve got their reasons – not sure what they are

        • Adrian

          Any hints? Like a number such as 7 or 9, or even 10, …or something completely different?

        • onlinesideline

          vip dot tv – its a free streamin site – u have to wait 30 secs for ad to run

          see if moderators removed this link – think they are on to me – heheee

  • Thoms

    Maybe Carter et al would be better off leaving things be. Although they technically did nothing wrong, and their records should not have been made public, the world and her mother knows that this is a murky issue and an abuse of TUEs.

  • Pearcewreck

    The big story for me is lack of live coverage on TV in Aust now.
    There is a big story here GAGR.

    Worldwide TV rights for all sports are in for a big shake up.
    I read on Monday that ESPN in the US is starting to really struggle, losing subscribers hand over foot.
    TV ratings for their Monday Night Football have plummeted recently.

    Anyhow the gist of it is that TV rights in the future are may well be a lot less than they have been as people move away from traditional TV, and pay TV may be dieing. Alarm bells at ARU??

    Also, today it has been announced that Hulu has done a deal with Fox, ESPN & Disney to stream live sport in the US.

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/maddieberg/2016/11/01/hulu-inks-deals-with-fox-and-disney-adding-channels-like-espn-abc-fox-news-and-more-to-live-service/#175b5c744568

    • Thoms

      Ironically in Britain, subscriptions to Sky (their Fox) are still going up, but viewing figures are plummeting. It’s the last days of Rome for TV companies dishing out big TV contract money. Massive shake-up on the cards in the near future.

    • Sam

      This situation is interesting in that it opens the possibility for the respective unions to stream the matches themselves and charge users a pay per view. This is in fact what it looks like the NZRU are doing with the All Blacks and the Maori All Blacks matches this weekend, but only in those countries where a broadcaster hasn’t bought the rights. I think that includes Australia for the All Blacks matches, by the way.

      I have thought for a while that this is something the unions should do more of. At the moment, of course, I guess that they can’t because they have sold the broadcast rights broadly and I assume the contract precludes them from doing it. It would be interesting if the situation changes in the future. I for one would be happy to pay $10, $20 or more (depending on the match) direct to the unions to watch on a game-by-game basis (I don’t have a Foxtel subscription, and I don’t want one). How many other viewers would be willing to do the same thing, and at what point does that become more attractive than one cheque from Murdoch?

      Is this a way for the Southern Hemisphere unions to bolster their revenues?

      • Missing Link

        That would be fantastic for the consumer. I would be happy to pay for only the Super Rugby games I want to watch and the Wallabies games would either be on FTA or I’d pay for them. beats handing over $70 to Foxtel for a heap of shit I don’t watch!

        • Thoms

          Is anyone actually paying Foxtel that much?

          Call them to cancel and they will offer you a HD sports package for a tiny fraction of that for 12 months, and do the same again the following year. I’ve been doing it for 5 years now.

          They need the numbers for advertisements.

        • Missing Link

          That’s awesome but I know if I call they will just say “OK Sir, cancelleing you now” and then I’ll have to do a backpedal :)

        • Pearcewreck

          Lol, they probably want to get rid of you Link.

        • Missing Link

          Probably a kiwi call centre… “Sir, are you dusconnicting because the Wallabies are shut ayyy”

        • Thoms

          Guarantee they won’t. And you can always call back to change your mind in that unlikely event

        • McWarren

          Jaysus that made me laugh. Thoms right though they do offer you a discount.

      • Pearcewreck

        Nice comment Sam,
        Pay for view would be interesting, it would have to be a quality broadcast, not some dodgy stream.
        Who would you pay, an internet tv company, or straight to the ARU/NZRU?
        What is he future for Foxtel in Aust?
        I just hope Bill Pulver is thinking about these same questions.

        • Sam

          I think the NZRU are streaming the All Blacks games this weekend themselves, and the viewers pay direct to the union itself. It should be a high quality broadcast in return I expect.
          I reckon the unions should take a risk and try to negotiate a lower broadcast payment from Foxtel, etc in return for the right to stream the games direct themselves as well. I am sure they would more than make up for the lost broadcast revenue.
          A brave thing to do given the current financial state of most of the unions apart from England, I guess…

      • SuckerForRed

        I love the idea…… but being in a “internet challenged” area I just have to deal with Foxtel. And Foxtel is the only reason that I have tv. ANY tv. So all you people who have access to FTA & refuse to pay for foxtel…… can I come live with you?

        • Brisneyland Local

          Yes! Only because you are a Reds Fan!

        • SuckerForRed

          Excellent. Me & my 2 cats will be over on Saturday.

        • Brisneyland Local

          Well the rugby wont be on at my house as there is no Foxtel, so best to come over after the game. My two dogs will love your two cats!

        • Pearcewreck

          Classic BLL,
          When you say your dogs will love his cats, do you mean for breakfast or dinner?? Lunch maybe?

        • Brisneyland Local

          They will eat anytime! They are only Dachshunds, but they have already killed two possums, a carpet python, and 5 Water Monitor Lizards. Havnt let them anywhere near a cat yet, but the result wont be good.

        • SuckerForRed

          As a matter of interest – how heaver are your dachunds? I would guess they will be smaller than my cats…..

    • Yank AB Fan

      NFL ratings are way down this year, not just for Monday Night Football, but also for Sunday, and Thursday nights as well. So far, the weekend games (which feature local matches) seem to be doing a bit better. Lots of speculation as to why, including the strongest competition from baseball in decades (Cubs run to the World Series is a Cinderella story, and Game 7 is tonight), and the election. But more to the point, the mediocrity of the NFL teams this year (in the name of “parity”), and game play that’s even more interrupted by penalties and stoppages, has fans turned-off by the national broadcasts where they don’t have a strong rooting interest. It’s one thing to watch a strong NFL team beat the crap out of a weak one (and even better if two strong teams beat the crap out of each other), but such matches have been rare this year. Even hard core NFL fans don’t care to watch two incompetent teams play boring football. Think of it, the NFL has become something like the SA conference of Super Rugby!

      • Pearcewreck

        Nice comment YABF, but you didn’t mention the elephant in the room.
        There is another big reason for lots of Americans being turned off by the NFL, particularity ESPN’s coverage.

        • Yank AB Fan

          And the elephant in the room is??? If you’re suggesting it’s streaming, then the NFL seems to be on top of that. Deals like the Apple/Twitter from this summer will keep them in clover. That said, I find the whole situation amusing.. I grew up a serious NFL fan (I’m old enough to have rooted for the Dallas Cowboys as they lost to the Green Bay Packers in the 1967 Ice Bowl). But as I became a rugby fan I’ve lost interest in the NFL. These days I see parts of two or three NFL games a YEAR, and am barely able to muster enthusiasm to watch the Super Bowl. Personally I think the product SUCKS.

        • Pearcewreck

          Sorry YABF,
          I need to clarify my comment.
          The elephant in the room is the whole protest during the national anthems thing.
          My sources tell me that a lot of people are turning off because of it.
          BTW, I’m not trying to have a debate about that issue, just saying what I have heard.
          I agree with about the NFL product, I’m not a fan.
          If only the US had stuck with Rugby 120 or so years ago.

        • Yank AB Fan

          Fair enough. A discussion that would dwell on racism in American sports/society is a bit incongruous on an Australian website.

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