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Wednesday’s Rugby News sees the Brumbies gear up for a finals push, a key Rebel ruled out, further criticism for Eddie and an unusual call to arms for an international team


Brumbies galloping towards finals push

Brumbies half-time huddle

Brumbies geared for finals push

The Brumbies are looking to pull off a Mission Impossible style push to the finals when their Super Rugby season recommences against the Hurricanes on Saturday.

The international break has left the ACT side raring and ready to jump out of the barriers, with most of the side enjoying the month-long break, whilst the majority of their Wallaby contingent received minimal game time during the three test series against Ireland.

While Scott Sio and David Pocock were integral parts of the Wallabies’ June campaign, Joe Powell played just 20 minutes and Allan Alaalatoa was out injured, with Rory Arnold, Folau Faingaa, Tom Banks and Tevita Kuridrani playing no part.

“It’s the first time the squad has been back together since that Sunwolves week and we’re really excited to be back together and training as a team,” captain Sam Carter said.

“(Rory Arnold) is in great shape, Folau hasn’t played since the Bulls game, obviously Tevita, Banksy (didn’t play), Joey Powell got some minutes on the weekend but all the added experience and having the team back together – we’re really excited for this weekend.”

Whilst not mathematical out of the finals equation, the Brumbies face a tough run home with Rugby Vision rating their chances as less than 0.1%.

This is due to an incredibly tough run home, with the side having to facing away trips against the Chiefs and Waratahs after Saturday’s clash with the Hurricanes.

“It’s always tough this time of year to come back into Super Rugby after the June internationals,” Carter said.

“Every game is important but playing the Hurricanes at home – last time we played the Hurricanes at home we went down in the final last year…We have been focusing on this game for four weeks now”

“We’ve done a review and we’re looking forward to getting out there and playing as a squad again.”

King Cole ruled out of Waratahs clash

Coleman on the charge - a scary sight indeed

Coleman won’t be doing this for the Rebels this week

Adam Coleman has been ruled out for the Rebels clash against the Waratahs with an abductor strain.

The Rebels have once again paid a high price for the Wallabies’ Test series against Ireland with Coleman injuring his abductor muscle in the third Test. This follows an injury to scrum-half Will Genia, who broke his arm during the second test.

This is awful news for the Rebels, who would have fancied their chances in the top of the conference clash against the Waratahs, who will be missing Michael Hooper and possibly Israel Folau for the contest.

Rebels coach Dave Wessels was still confident in his side’s ability to win, pointing to their efforts in the earlier parts of the season when they played without Genia and Coleman.

“I feel for Will but [when Will was injured] my wife said to me that I didn’t seem too fussed – it’s a contact sport and those things happen,” Wessels said.

“Mikey [Ruru] is playing pretty well for us and we have won three on the trot, four if you include the Western Force game. We have a lot of confidence in Mike and while we feel for Will, we will see him later in the season hopefully.”

Wessels said he was yet to select a replacement for Coleman, with Matt Philip, English import Geoff Parling, utility forward Ross Haylett-Petty and Sam Jeffries vying for the two starting roles.

“All those guys are pretty well established Super Rugby players so we are blessed with a bit of depth there,” Wessels said.

Coleman is hopeful of a return next week while Rebels star Number 8 Amanaki Mafi is also expected to take his spot against the Waratahs after playing for Japan.

Poms still whingeing about Jones

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The English continue to question the tenture of Eddie Jones as England coach, despite his bounce back 25-10 win over South Africa on the weekend.

England great Jeremy Guscott is the latest to join the chorus, warning coach Eddie Jones will have to change his ways if England are going to have a chance of winning the World Cup next year.

Jones has been criticised for a supposedly autocratic management style, with Bath owner Bruce Craig questioning a gruelling training camp regime he says that leaves players too exposed to the risk of injury.

Guscott has written in a BBC Sport column that Jones needs to make adjustments and has to realise some of those adjustments are with himself, not simply in how his team plays.

“Eddie always tries to set the narrative when he talks to the media, but in reality the game sets the narrative” said Guscott.

“There is the old saying ‘engage the brain before opening the mouth’ and he needs to do this sometimes. He needs to stop battling the press and when they ask silly questions, ignore them. It’s not clever to tell the media he’s left 25 players behind in England.”

Guscott also said Jones had made a mistake in not playing fly-half Danny Cipriani from the start of the South Africa series.

“Eddie Jones made a mistake not playing Danny Cipriani in the first Test in Johannesburg. The fast track would have suited him, he’d have loved it out there and it was the wrong decision to leave him out.”

He was also heavily critical of Owen Farrell for acting like a child after Cipriani put a grabber kick in for Jonny May’s decisive try.

“Farrell’s reaction to that kick has been talked about a lot since Saturday. He turned away looking frustrated when Cipriani kicked the ball into the corner – but Danny didn’t have much choice.”

“As a captain, Farrell should not be doing that and as a player, he should have been chasing the ball.”

Despite this criticism, Guscott had some nice things to say about Jones, crediting him for the job he did in brining English rugby back from the dead.

“Eddie came to our union when it was at its lowest ebb after the World Cup. He grabbed it and took us on this extraordinary run.”

“He has tremendous credit at the union for what he’s done … We’ve had a reversal, which now hopefully we’ve sprung out of.”

Samoan PM gives weird ulitematum to team

Samoa fighting for their World Cup qualification

Samoa fighting for their World Cup qualification


In the weirdest story of the week so far, the Samoan Prime Minister has decided to lay into his national team after a string of poor performances.

After a disappointing run of defeats, Prime Minister Tuilaepa Sailele Malielegaoi turned up at training and told the players that they should quit if they can’t beat Germany.

“You played 10 games and you lost in all of those 10 games, so what does that tell me? ‘You have no guts.’ That is what I said to them,” Malielegaoi said. “I said, if you don’t win this game then you all have to resign from the team.”

The Prime Minister continued his criticism, saying that the players kept dropping the ball because they were “afraid”. Samoa have not yet qualified for the 2019 Rugby World Cup, needing to beat Germany on aggregate over the next two weeks to secure their spot in the tournament.

During a weekly media session later in the day, the prime minister was calmer and predicted a Samoa win over the Germans, who he believed have limited knowledge about the sport.

“The reason being is because we have reached the very bottom and there is nowhere else for us to go except coming back up,” he said. “They will be playing against the team that has no knowledge whatsoever on how to play rugby, so we must win this game.”

“And the other good thing about this is that when we win against Germany and make it through the World Cup, we will be in a good pool. So I would be very shocked if we don’t make it to the quarter-final.”

Although it has been a long fall for the team since their successes that Samoa have in the past 10 years, notably against Australia in 2011, this criticism seems a bit over the top and unnecessary.

Reading this story I could only imagine what Malcolm Turnbull would have to say in the same situation. With his luck and knowledge of Australian teams in the past, I’m sure he would wish Mile Hooper and the Rugbyroos the best of luck at the World Cup*.

*Disclaimer: I know Turnbull is a rugby union man, having played for Sydney Uni in the past so I’m sure he would get it correct………..surely

  • IIPA

    Brumbies haven’t shown much to suggest they can pull off that sort of heist although with Poey there anything is possible.

    Wessels doesn’t need to lose too much sleep on replacing Coleman as has the best depth in the country at that position ( although Brums have a good quartet too),what he needs to do is bite the bullet and play Adams at 10. Maybe it won’t work. But persisting with JDeb I think definitely won’t work.

    The German team may or may not be at full strength as there is some odd stoush between their Federation and the leading club which is privately owned. Something wrong if Samoa can’t put them away in this series.

    • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

      Even if we don’t qualify – and let’s face it, we’re not going to qualify for the finals – we can at least prevent the Tahs from topping the group and exact revenge from earlier in the season :P

      • Bobas

        No one beats the mighty Harewa!

  • disqus_NMXfOrw5ot

    It doesn’t matter what Turnbull knows about rugby, he doesn’t have the balls to have his own opinion on anything anymore, he would say whatever his party told him to say. A sad empty shell of a man.

    • Gareth

      Thanks for your rugby insight. feel like i’m reading a bloody fairfax paper. NATHAN leave the political shit alone, we can get that anywhere else.

      • Nathan Williamson

        I’m sorry for bringing political discussion into it, I was trying to make a light hearted joke regarding his issues with naming other Australian sides in the past

        • Missing Link

          unfortunately politics is a touchy subject in the age of the perpetually offended

        • Brisneyland Local

          Yes but I only take offence on rugby issues. the rest I dont care enough about! ha ha

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          Yeah, I didn’t find it particularly partisan, Nathan, and I for one have no idea if you lean towards the Greens, Labor or the Coalition.

          If we can’t make fun of our political leaders and all of us have a laugh then what sort of world are we living in? I for one chuckled at your joke, mate.

        • Missing Link

          just make sure the teleprompter doesn’t hear you making those comments, or you’ll be vapourised

        • Gareth

          Very true – but it does bring the political trolls to a rugby forum

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          Fair call, and I don’t want this getting political. I remember the horror of the Folau incident on the forums.

        • Brisneyland Local

          Lest we not forget that! ;-)

        • Tomthusiasm

          I just learnt that Mile Jedinak’s actual name is Michael so technically Abbott got it right with his “Mike and the boys” shout out.

        • Bobas

          and that onion was actually deep fried iced cream made by Heston Bluminthal

    • Brisneyland Local

      Mate sorry this is a rugby site. we leave politics at the door!
      Unless it is Qld Reds vs Waratahs politics. Because that shit is important!

      • Bobas

        And we don’t want RA to get ideas and start sprucing their ‘Trickle down grass roots funding.’

        • Brisneyland Local

          Pure gold Bobas! tip of the hat!

      • disqus_NMXfOrw5ot

        True, sorry guys, should have left that one at the door.

        • Brisneyland Local

          All good! Carry on!

    • Sevenwithasixonmyback

      He’s a business man first and foremost. A PM second.
      He will always side with the top-end of town CEOs over players, officials, staff and vols.
      Even to mention the workers within the game would be simply patronising and hollw.

  • onlinesideline

    I just watched the last 2 mins of saturdays test, we were unstoppable. How the hell Foley couldnt just do a simple pass is just beyond me. He has to go. Sorry but its indefensible.
    If the New Zealand public had this happen by the ABs their 10 would be deported.
    Foley has to go. It was a simple left to right pass that he does have the skill to execute at speed. Just ridiculous.

    • Dally M

      That’s great, who are you replacing him with?

      • onlinesideline

        Quade friggen Cooper mate – its that simple. A much much more skilled player – heres some evidence. Even though this was years ago, you dont loose these skills. Foley doesnt have a clue. This Cooper debacle is an embarrasment and we dont deserve to win if we are going to throw away talent like this. Coach the bloke properly ffs and we will win big and more often.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQUxzxFIvSQ

        • Dally M

          You need to get off the hooch mate. That was 8 years ago. Quade had his chance and is not up to it any more.

          How many coaches has he had, and hasn’t changed in all that time? Coaching is not the problem there?

          Apart from that, he’s shown his preference for collecting his cash & staying at home, rather than fighting for a chance to play Super Rugby & for the Wallabies again. And he’s injured.

          Who else you got?

        • onlinesideline

          I tend to laugh way too much when I smoke the gunja and wouldnt be able to type anyhow…so

          In short – Baloney – he has NOT be given a fair crack with the Wallabies since Cheika has taken over. He was benched for ever and then pressured to work miracles when subbed on with 3 mins to go. He went overseas and came back and the Reds should be honouring his record and experience by at least letting him be in the squad. There is absolutely no reason he shouldnt be. New direction my arse. BTs grudge is costing Australia a talent we have never had before, except maybe for Ella. He is stil young and has years left in him, definitely enough for 2019. That pass in last play on Saturday night is meat and potatoes for Quade but lets do the same thing over and over and over again and lets keep picking Foley and LOSING and LOSING and LOSING.

        • Braveheart81

          His form in Super Rugby was average. He’s now not playing Super Rugby because his coach doesn’t think he is up to it. He won’t play another test.

        • onlinesideline

          So was Colemans and Koribetes and a few others, Sorry dont buy that. A 60 test match mecurial 10 is always capable of perfomring at test level, who is fit and only 28 or 29. BT says he aint up to it, but on what basis ?? Dont buy that either. Threw the baby out with the bathwater IMO. Anyway, both the Reds and Wallas losing again. When QC plays we win. I like winning.

        • Braveheart81

          Anyway, you’re living in the past. If Cooper starts playing Super Rugby again and showing the requisite form then you can keep complaining about Cheika but at this point Cooper isn’t playing SR and unless he moves to another team it doesn’t look like he will again.

        • onlinesideline

          Im living in the present IMO. Cooper could have been brought into Wallaby camp if he didnt have that injury and he would have won us that series. He has played 60 test matches. The guy has immense experience. Not every thing he tries comes off but the things he does well results in points. Thats teh difference and thats why he’s worth it. We win under him.

        • Braveheart81

          You are living in fairy land mate. He has played a few good club rugby games in 2018 after a very average 2017 in Super Rugby. The Reds are a better team this year without a mercurial fly half who is past his best and just having a couple of guys they can rely on to do their job. When Cooper was at his best he undoubtedly won games off his own bat. The way he played though revolved around a game plan focused on him. Most coaches don’t want that. They don’t want to have to try and reinvent the wheel if a player is unavailable. Players have roles and play to that. Putting all your eggs in the Quade Cooper basket didn’t work in 2017 and Thorn has decided to move on from that in 2018.

          I’m sorry mate but it’s over.

        • onlinesideline

          Thats a huge call to say that, the way he played was a game revolved around him. Can you actually provide evidence for that, that it actually revolved around him ? Did the game he play at Forsyth Bar in 2014 revolve around him. I dont think so mate. He was inventive and skilled and steered the team around the park beautifully. This is what 10 are supposed to do. They SHOULD be the general. Amazing you say this.

        • Braveheart81

          That is undoubtedly how teams he was in played best. The game plan revolved around how he played. If he wasn’t there then it required a different plan because the replacement couldn’t do the same things. It also became less successful as his play deteriorated. We are a long way from 2011 when he tore up Super Rugby or 2013 when he last played a few good test matches.

          Most coaches are trying to coach roles for certain positions so that the player does that job and if a different player is there they do that same job. It is a more conservative approach but also doesn’t put as much emphasis on the team’s chances of winning or losing based on the performance of a single player.

          Anyway, I look forward to reading your posts in a couple of years once Quade Cooper has retired suggesting he should be brought out of retirement to win us test matches.

        • onlinesideline

          No need to take a swipe mate. Im basing my opinion on his record and what I think he is capable of NOW. You know fully well he is at least ABLE to have a crack at present. He is still fit and healthy and time in camp he would be raring to go. If that WASNT the case then your cynacism could be justified. But first put him in the squad and see how he performs behind a pack like this.

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          On what basis are the Reds a better team?

          They’re sitting on the same number of wins as last season with an easier run of matches and with their very young forwards being a year older, in addition to another year of their team of new and returning players playing together (Ben Darwin coefficient).

          It’s very possible they’ll finish the season with the same number of wins, or only one more, after playing the Sunwolves twice and with the team being a year older. They’ve certainly declined relatively in the Aussie conference.

        • juswal

          Average. You keep using that word, I do not think it means what you think it means.

          It’s always the case with five-eighths that you can’t properly judge their form and abilities unless you’re watching them play behind a dominant pack. Remember the difference between QC at the Reds in 2011 and QC at the 2011 World Cup.

          I can’t imagine that Thorn or Cheika will admit their mistakes this year, but I am sure that Quade would make the difference in the Wallabies’ close matches.

        • Dally M

          Cheika said he would have been considered if he was playing SR, however he declined offers from 2 other SR teams to come and have a crack with them. He instead opted to stay at home and count his dollars. His prerogative, but another example of Quade putting Quade first. Not really the sort of attitude any coach wants as part of a team you are building for the next RWC.

        • onlinesideline

          Quade putting Quade first ? Since when has he displayed that ?
          I think he has been a great servant to the code. Why put the onus on HIM re the Reds. He is fit and availabe, pick him in the squad and see what he can do with PRESENT FORWARDS. Only then can you can conclude his form.

        • Dally M

          The ball is in Quade’s court.

          It’s up to him.

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          Honestly, why would he trust anything Cheika says?

          Brought back to Aus by Cheika as he wanted to play for the Wallabies and Cheika said he wanted him. Given virtually no minutes after outplaying Foley in 2016 and then inexplicably dropped for a BS excuse (if you want to see someone not enjoying their rugby look at Foley in 2016).

          Similar stories with Leeroy Houston and Kane Douglas. Brought back on pretences of wearing gold and then ignored.

          That’s before you consider he has a life in Queensland, and a family. Making the move is a big

          The irony being that Quade is now clearly loving his rugby playing for Souths. Now Cheika wants him to move to a new state (despite the fact I’ve heard he would be on a lower salary), away from his family and what makes him happy to perhaps have a chance at being considered. See the contradiction there? I guess the reason he was dropped wasn’t because he wasn’t enjoying his rugby. As if anyone believed that anyway.

        • Dally M

          I have no doubt he loves QLD and has a life there, but if you want to play for the Wallabies, you need to be playing SR to be considered. He knows that and knows he has no opportunity with the Reds & has been told they will grant him a release.

          He either wants another crack or doesn’t. Brumbies and Rebels reached out & were rejected.

          He clearly doesn’t want to do what’s needed to be considered again.

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          ‘but if you want to play for the Wallabies, you need to be playing SR to be considered.’

          Except if you’re one of Cheik’s faves like Jordan Uelese and Jack Dempsey (both of whom played decently for the Wallabies, and didn’t have Quade’s experience)…

        • Dally M

          Both were with SR clubs when selected, picked as part of a squad & then stepped up due to injuries

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          Quade is contracted to a SR club too. Also like them he is not playing SR.

        • Chinese Dave

          Here’s what’s bothering me about your stance. Quade should be wanting to play SR because he is capable of playing at that level and is not being challenged at club level. Forget about the Wallabies,this needs to come from inside. If he doesn’t have that drive he’s the wrong person, period.

          Besides,the whole argument is stupid. it’s back to the future, arguing foley v quade again. We need to develop 10s and a good place to start is our teams not picking fucking kiwi leftovers to play in the position.

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          I think he does want to play Super Rugby.

          However, I don’t think you can underestimate his loyalty to the Reds too. In this age of mercenaries I would have thought we would applaud club loyalty?

          There is also the fact that he would be taking a big pay cut.

          So because Thorn doesn’t want him he should have to move interstate, play against the team he loves and take a big pay cut? Sorry, mate, I don’t agree.

        • Chinese Dave

          Of course not. He shouldn’t move interstate and play against the Reds because Thorn doesn’t want him. He should do all those because he’s one of fewer than 100 people in Australia who even have the option to. Doing what he’s doing now just proves Thorn’s point to him. Thorn, a fierce competitor, would never do that, nor would most of the top Rugby players in Australia. It’s one thing taking the money and going to France where you’re still playing at the very highest level. It’s another entirely taking a cushy job that doesn’t challenge you for the money. All power to Quade for doing so, but that kind of attitude doesn’t earn you, nor does it deserve, anything else than what he’s been given. There are club players in australia who would give their left nut to play SR, Quade isn’t even willing to earn 400K a year to do it.

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          I think you and I fundamentally disagree here. If someone new was to become Waratahs coach, tell Foley he wasn’t interested and then he was offered the chance of a massive pay cut or to play club rugby for the next two years I wouldn’t have any issue with him playing club rugby.

          I think your position is akin to emotional blackmail, personally, but that’s just an opinion.

        • Chinese Dave

          Emotional blackmail? really? Whom am I blackmailing exactly?

          What I’m saying is that Quade isn’t proving himself to be a true competitor. Michael Jordan went to play minor league baseball to challenge himself and gave up shitloads of money to do so. Hooper, Thorn, G Smith and many others wouldn’t do what Quade is doing, I can guarantee that. I don’t know about Foley. I’m honestly not a fan and the fact that he isn’t killing himself in training to get better at least at the improvable skills annoys me to no end, so your point about him, well, isn’t.

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          It comes to the effect of: “accept this massive pay cut, upheave your entire life – after spending years redoing your hours – while it may make you miserable to leave your family and friends, and play against the team that you love or else you’re proving you don’t care about the Wallabies despite the fact you already took a massive pay cut to come back to play for the Wallabies”.

          The salaries of US basketball players cannot be compared to rugby players. Rugby players are on relatively small salaries with a tiny window. Top NBA players earn so much in a single year that they would never have to work again. Thorn chased glory and success his entire career (Broncos, QLD in RL, Crusaders when they were the best club in the world, All Blacks).

          Hooper is (rightfully) considering whether to take up the 5 year contract from RA as he needs to work out what will make him happy.

        • Dally M

          Didn’t Thorn knock back the offer to play for the All Black when first picked because he personally didn’t feel he was ready?

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          The issue is that these arguments of ‘his form doesn’t deserve it’ would hold a lot more weight if, when Quade totally outplayed Foley in the 2016 Rugby Championship, Foley had been the one demoted. Instead, Cheika demotes Quade and he is virtually never seen again. Even if you cast your mind back to the 2017 June series, when Quade came on against Scotland it was the only team the backline really threatened. I think I remember a desperate cover tackle on Folau stopped us scoring a brilliant try when Quade threw a beautiful pass.

          It’s the lack of consistency with Cheika that is really annoying as a fan. And the BS excuses when he’s clearly treating us like mugs ‘Quade is dropped because he isn’t enjoying his footy’. No one believed that. And I think he knew we would know it was BS, but he still treats us like idiots. Likewise with no picking Fardy last year as he was going overseas, before picking Horne in test 3.

          Dempsey and Uelese had no SR form last year, and far less test pedigree than Quade. Yet he picked them and Quade is ignored.

          When was the last time the Wallabies backline actually looked good for an extended number of matches in a row? The answer is, really, the 2013 Spring tour with Quade at 10 and Toomua at 12.

        • Braveheart81

          Yes, they looked great for a few matches in 2013 but that was 5 years ago. That is the problem here.

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          Yes, and Foley has been the incumbent since 2014.

          How often have we looked great in the last 5 years? In one WC match against a diabolical Scotland.

        • onlinesideline

          Well benching a player doesnt diminish his natural skills. He is only 28 or 29.

        • Braveheart81

          He’s 30 and is playing club rugby. If he doesn’t move to another Super Rugby team next year or go overseas I think this will be his last substantial professional contract. He’s not going to improve his chances of playing elite rugby again by playing another season of club rugby.

        • onlinesideline

          OK 30 – SO ? – Yes he has to make a decision re this. But I think think he has been unfairly dismissed. Nothing else to add really.

        • 22DropOut

          Carter and Wilkinson are two of the most dedicated pros to ever play the game.

        • 22DropOut

          “when Quade totally outplayed Foley in the 2016 Rugby Championship, ”

          That’s debatable.

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          And yet despite the fact that Quade was extremely unpopular then and before the rise of Foleyscepticism virtually every single player ratings – whether they were fan voted or by the media – rated Quade as better in every test they played together.

        • 22DropOut

          Fan player ratings, really?

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          I said both fan ratings and in the media.

          Also, what are most journalists, but fans?

          I would expect an average voted by all fans would be more accurate than the opinions of most individuals.

        • 22DropOut

          Player Ratings are without exception always complete BS in rugby, but I am still looking forward to seeing this breakdown of ratings which conclusively prove that Quade Cooper outplayed Bernard Foley in the Rugby Championship. I believe that every game that QC played he had Foley inside him so I am not sure how we can use this as a basis of comparing their merits as a 10.

          Nobody would doubt that Quade Cooper of 2011 would be in ahead of Foley, of course he would. But he has been off the rails since then. He has lacked focus, hasn’t worked on glaring weaknesses in his game (the greats are always working on this) and sideshows like boxing etc didn’t help. All of this impacted his form and he was considered too toxic in more than one playing group.

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          ‘Player Ratings are without exception always complete BS in rugby’.

          Interesting. I’m sure that when you watch a match you have a an evaluation of how the players performed, even if it is subconscious. This functions the same way as a player rating. So, what you’re saying is that you think your opinion>other people’s.

          Quade actually had Foley playing at 12 outside of him, by the way.

          Prove that he was considered too toxic in more than one playing group. Bear in mind that in Deans’ biography he said he dropped him on form and that he was finally finding form again when Link took over and wished him all the best, also bear in mind that Link always had him as first choice, also bear in mind that despite rumours to the contrary he played roughly as much for Toulon as all their other stars in a star studded team.

          Foley hasn’t worked on his glaring weaknesses either, and hasn’t played as well as he did in 2014 since. The last time Quade played well for the Wallabies was when he was last the incumbent in 2013.

        • 22DropOut

          Of course I evaluate performances. However. assigning players an often arbitrary rating out of 10, usually based on ignorance of the roles in the game and aggregating them holds no merit.

          “Foley hasn’t worked on his glaring weaknesses either” I would actually say that he has, but unfortunately he has a limited skillset, a low ceiling and it is difficult to learn how to read a game and make instinctively good decisions.

          In my opinion a large amount of the frustration with QC is that he George Best-ed it.

        • Braveheart81

          The reality is that Cooper and Foley are really unpopular amongst a lot of the fanbase. I think it stems back to people blaming losing heavily (and unfairly) on the 10 regardless of how the rest of the team played.

          There is definitely a contrast that a lot of Cooper supporters are very negative towards Foley and vice versa. I think there are a growing number who are negative towards both of them and are disappointed we don’t have any other reasonable options available anytime soon.

        • McWarren

          BH super form counts for nothing with Cheika. So using it as an excuse for not picking Quade is a bit rich. Sure don’t pick him cause he is playing club not super. But at the moment with only a few youngsters showing promise I’d be moving heaven and earth to get him to the Brums or Rebels for game time.

        • Braveheart81

          Current squad looks like it is overwhelmingly full of players with good Super Rugby form. It is entirely true that often incumbent players still make test squads with substandard form (this is true for every test team) because they have been there before and performed.

        • Dally M

          He was done by the time Cheika too over. Poor form and injury contributed to that and he’s not done anything since to show he should be given another chance. FFS he can’t even get a start for the Reds.

        • onlinesideline

          Done ? – he only 12 months prior played unbelievably in NZ and steered the Wallas all over the pitch. He was amazing. On what basis / fact / evidence can you say he was done ?

          Injuries are injuries.

        • 22DropOut

          “he only 12 months prior played unbelievably in NZ and steered the Wallas all over the pitch. He was amazing”

          What?

        • McWarren

          I love that usual critique of Quade. “He’s had his chance and proven not to be up to it”, people have been saying that since he debuted for Wallabies in the hope that it would evenutally prove to be the case.

        • onlinesideline

          and yet his win / loss ratio in the GGR jersey says it all but ppl still say this – farking incredible.

        • Gareth

          Sorry onlinesideline QC is gone, has no more ambition wants to hang out in brisbane playing club rugby. Too many yellow cards, cant tackle and is now injury prone. Goooonnnnne

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          I’ve always thought that these reasons would be more than enough to justify punting Cooper if we had two other international quality 10s.

          Unfortunately, we arguably have zero international quality 10s outside of him.

          I agree he will never play for the Wallabies again though unless we magically get a new coach before the RWC.

        • Dally M

          Don’t blame the coach for the fact he doesn’t want to do what’s necessary to be considered again.

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          Do you honestly believe he would seriously be considered? I would have thought that it was clear after the 2016 Rugby Championship that there was no way Foley was going to be dropped. Foley was so bad in that tournament he would have struggled to make the Tahs. The match that he threw two passes straight to Adriaan Strauss was a particular lowlight.

        • Dally M

          It’s 2018 and he’s playing club rugby with no desire to do more than that.

          Let’s have this conversation about Quade again when he’s playing SR and showing in 2018 or 2019 that he’s a better option than Foley.

          Until then you are living the past, reminiscing about a bloke who is not showing anyone he’s an alternative to anything.

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          You have no evidence he has no desire to do more? All we know is that he hasn’t been willing to take (an allegedly reduced) offer and moving interstate to perhaps be considered by someone who dropped him for ‘not enjoying his rugby’.

          ‘Until then you are living the past, reminiscing about a bloke who is not showing anyone he’s an alternative to anything.’

          Except by outplaying Foley in 2016, and showing more in the 2017 June series…

        • Dally M

          How is it a reduced offer? He’s under contract, has to be paid by the Reds and RA, so there is no reduced offer?

          Last i checked 2016 and 2017 are in the rear-view mirror & we are half way thru 2018.

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          No, to move to another Super Rugby club his Reds contract would have to end or be renegotiated. Someone who claimed to me that he knows Quade quite well from club rugby told me that the main stumbling block was that neither the Rebels or Brumbies wanted to pay his Reds salary, but wanted to split it 50-50 with the Reds. I have no idea if this is true, but it would make sense given how high his Reds salary allegedly is – neither the Rebels nor the Brumbies have much money to play with. And the Reds would not continue to pay him to pay for a competitor.

          He can’t exactly outplay Foley at SR when not doing it (which is your point, I know), but given that even when he has outplayed Foley in the past, as he usually has, he hasn’t been given the jersey why would he trust it would be different now?

        • Dally M

          Coming off the bench at the end of a game carving up tired players is not really a comparison to starting a game, especially if the team is behind and he is given freedom to throw caution to the wind.

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          Fair point, but he can only perform in the minutes he was given. Foley had virtually a whole match and did nothing.

        • Habitual Offender

          “Objects in mirror are closer than they appear”

        • disqus_NMXfOrw5ot

          It’s utter bulldust that QC would be considered if he played Super. Cheika knows it, QC knows it, we all know it.

    • Missing Link

      Shades of Stephen Donald in Hong Kong, never played again until 3 other AB 10’s went down with injury.

      • onlinesideline

        That was enough to turn a person religious that was. Speilberg would have been impressed. Couldnt write that.
        Mate while I dont wish injury on anyone, it seems that this is the only way re may see Quade re-appear. But every fibre of my being says something is very wrong here and wouldnt crap on about it, knowing ppl are sick to the teeth with this topic, unless I truly felt its the way to go. UNLESS ….. you can hand on heart say there is someone else I am missing who is right to slot in now (RC) as a better 10 option than Foley. But we just lost another series that we should have won.

        • Missing Link

          While I agree with you, I scratch my head to find a replacement. I like Quade but I don’t think he’s the answer, not now anyway, he needs to be playing super rugby as club to country is a massive stretch. Either way, we need to replace Foley by RWC or we need someone to put a firecracker up his butt so he lifts his game to Sexton/Barrett levels otherwise it will be sayonara in the quarters or semis.

          Foley has got himself in a position where he can afford to stuff up, the team can afford to lose and he’s not accountable. It shouldn’t be the case. Foley should be out on the park long after the rest of the boys are in the showers practising his touch and goalkicking until his foot falls off. You know the Jonny Wilkinsons and Dan Carters of the rugby world would be flogging themselves until they got through a set of kicks without missing the mark. Does he realise a lineout on the 22 is not the same as a lineout on the 5m line, the defensive pressure on the opposition increases exponentially?

          If Foley had the kicking accuracy of Wilkinson on Carter, the Bledisloe Cup would be back in our hands and we would have won this series against Ireland. big call, a lot of what ifs, but you know it’s probably true.

        • Fatflanker

          I don’t understand why Qld and Brumbies could not have negotiated a deal to transfer QC with Qld topping up his pay for the remainder of the life of his current contract. Surely it would have been win/win for all parties – QC back in Super rugby/Wallabies contention, Brumbies get a bargain and Qld claw back a lot of cash currently getting pissed up against the wall.

        • McWarren

          I think you’ll find that is down to Quade and his legal advisers unfortunately.

        • Brisneyland Local

          Brumbies offered an amount, and Qld would not contribute anything. It was an all or nothing deal, and it left QC at less than 50% of his present salary. He stayed put. He did the right thing.

        • disqus_NMXfOrw5ot

          I’m pretty sure it’s down to QC wanting to walk the walk of doing his time and sticking with wanting to prove himself good enough to play for the Reds. He’s got the luxury of the pay packet to wait, and he’s waiting. QC is Reds, and Reds is QC.

        • onlinesideline

          True but he knows BT wont budge no matter what.

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          I have heard from a source that I believe is probably reliable that QRU didn’t want to pay part of his salary for him playing at the Brumbies/Rebels and that neither of those clubs had the funds to match his current Reds salary.

        • Fatflanker

          Talk about cutting your nose off to spite your face. Does not surprise me, sadly.

        • Dally M

          They may not want to, but the alternative is they still pay him and they get constant questions about it.

          If that is true they should offer to pay part of his salary to move him on, likewise Hunt.

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          Unpopular opinion, but I would drop Foley and play Beale at 10.

          For the Wallabies Beale actually plays as first receiver most of the time anyway.

          It means Kerevi plays in his natural position at 12 and we can get another strike runner and a stronger defender into the midfield.

          10. Beale, 12. Kerevi, 13. Kuridrani/Rona/Hodge looks far more capable of breaking down strong defences and definitely better at stopping SBW/Crotty than 10. Foley, 12. Beale, 13. Kerevi.

        • onlinesideline

          yesssssss

        • Missing Link

          The only way Cheika would ever entertain that is if Foley was injured. I don’t wish it upon the bloke, but even then, Cheika would probably play Hodge at 12 and leave Kerevi at 13.

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Mate Beale would be a disaster at 10. He is good at making plays and very good in space but when it gets tight he throws poor passes and he crabs to get away from the contact. Plus he’s almost as bad as Foley in passing to the right. I think you need to develop someone else/

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          If it was a straight up choice between 10. Foley, 12. Beale and 10. Beale, 12. Kerevi which would you pick?

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          If Beale was to go to 15 then Foley 10, Kerevi 12 (my preference anyway) If it meant the other 10 wouldn’t start anywhere then I think you’d have to retain Foley

        • Andy

          Beale at Fullback maybe? That is his strongest position surely

        • Kiwi rugby lover

          Absolutely. I think he’s a better 15 than Folau actually

        • Braveheart81

          His move to 15 last year when Folau didn’t go on he EOYT coincided with his form dropping. I think 12 is his best position now and he’ll stay there for the Wallabies for the foreseeable future.

        • disqus_NMXfOrw5ot

          It’s ridiculous to say we can’t pick QC because he is only playing club now. He’s got a wealth of experience and would step straight in. And it’s not like there’s no precedent of players being picked for the Wallabies straight from club without any Super or Wallabies experience whatsoever. There are dozens of examples. Almost every Wallabies coach ever has wanted to show off his selection genius by picking some club player to step up.

        • onlinesideline

          Example – A Mr Phil Kearns – second grade by Bob Dwyer

        • Greg

          He learned all his commentating skills in second grade!

        • onlinesideline

          lol – exactly

    • Hoss

      Whoooweee, out swinging early today compadre. I agree and disagree. Agree – Spanners is completely shite and we cant / wont win a RWC with him at 10 and with backups of Hodge & Beale the depth is as shallow as a toddlers pool.. Disagree re Ricochet Rabbit at 10. He was tried and failed and failed and failed. No doubt a more gifted player with silky skills, but does / did not have the temperament to control / win critical games.

      Nope – we have entered the realm of religion and cosmetics with Spanners – lets blindly hope it works.

      • onlinesideline

        Not good enough Hoss. (Yeah watching the replay does madden me )
        By not going forwards on this issue we are going backwards. Such is rugby today in 2018. The other top 5 are farking good. We have fought so hard to adress out forwards issues and to see us losing the big ones because a guy cant pass teh friggen ball properly or pop it over a props head FFs is extremely maddening. I wont lie.
        Did QC get a fair shot under Cheika mate ? You REALLY think so. Just before Cheika came on board look at the game Quade had at Forsyth Bar against the ABs. Was absolutely superb. He controlled the whole game and also kicked 8 or 9 out of 9. Im arguing he WASNT given a fair go under Cheka whatsoever. Cheika doesnt have a clue how to handle this once in generation player.

        • Hoss

          For mine i am comfortable not having QC in the side. He was tried and was mediocre under three separate Australian coaches, Dingo, Link and the Silk Trader. I dont argue he didnt have his moments, but they were few and far between and its QC whose decided to put the cue in the rack and play Disney Ball on Saturdays – at $800k a year so would I.As a Tah’s man i reckon BT is unfairly accused re his handling of Ricochet Rabbitt. I look at what BT has done with the young fellows around him and their growth in a short time and i respect that he is best placed to make the call on QC, short term pain gor long term gain. Now to fix our 10 issues, i reckon Hamish Stewart (i havent seen the young 10 out of WA to have an opinion on yet) is worth some time around Wallabies Camps – he has a maturity and complete game to be real useful to all of us.

        • onlinesideline

          We are going to have to disagree that he was “fairly” tried under Cheika and I thought did well under Link. But I hear you re BT. Yes hes doing well. But what is the real reason for Quades omission. I’m very suspect its direction.

          But if you agree we aint going to win RWC undr Foley or Foley only and the up and comers are too green for the 2019 RWC, then I would argue its worth having Coopers brilliance IN THE SQUAD at least, as an option. Would he have not be a brilliant sub at 65th minute on Saturdy night ?

        • Hoss

          I understand and respect your thinking – hell we both want Gold dominance. The picking of QC from club land is a very, very dangerous precedent. I dont have sympathy for QC. He has shat were he ate a fair few times, all this milarky about relocating, family, friends etc etc – well France wasnt just down the road from Brisbane but he was happy to chase the Euro then and knew he was out of Wallaby contention then and he knows now. As an out and out capitalist i dont blame him one iota for banking the Pesos and cruising along, i would too, but he has had enough chances during his career to make 10 his own, his own frailties as a player and coach perception / plans all contribute to a 60 test veteran who never quite matched his potential with his performances & i dont reckon going back to the future enhances our RWC chances at all, in fact i reckon they go backwards for a number of reasons over and above ability.

        • onlinesideline

          Good Points Hoss. Good Points.

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          I feel like there is a great mixture of home truths and very misleading statements in here.

          One question I will pose is this: have you ever tried going down an avenue, found it made you miserable and then gone back on that decision?

          I have certainly done so, but the grass is not always greener, and have returned to what made me happy. Quade tried moving away from Queensland and didn’t enjoy it. He decided not to activate the clause in his contract to play his second year at Toulon (despite the fact that, contrary to popular belief, he actually played as much as Giteau and other big-name stars at Toulon – even if he was often at fullback).

          He’s being asked to move away from his family/friends that make him happy when he knows he didn’t enjoy it last time after being brought back by Cheika on pretences of playing for the Wallabies. So he is taking it on faith that Cheika will indeed consider him if he moved to the Rebels/Brumbies after Cheika has set a precedent where he has reason to doubt this.

          This is in addition to the fact that the rumours are he would have to accept a reduced contract.

          Also, from 2010-11 the jersey WAS his. He lost it after he got injured in the 2011 RWC and had an injury ravaged and poor 2012 SR campaign. He won the jersey back in 2013 under Link and only lost it again when he was injured.

          Really, it was only under Cheika that he has not been the incumbent since 2010 except when he was injured or coming back from a serious injury.

        • Hoss

          I dont like facts, they are far too stubborn, but statistics and opinions are far more pliable.

          Absolutely agree, life is a series of good and bad decisions and one never stops learning. QC is entirely entitled to his pursuit of happiness. If his decision is to play club rugga and bank $800k pa, then good luck to him, but he does have form as being disruptive in a team environment, his own game has (IMO) been found lacking to be our answer at 10.

          I think his actions speak for themselves re his desire to wear gold. Anyone can post social media content re desire, ambition & belief, but when it isn’t countered with tangible actions its all just vapour in an electronic wind. I would love to know the facts, but we just get tidbits, whispers and innuendo – but if he has walked awau fro 2 x SR offers and BT has made it publicly clear he is not part of the Reds future – well, he has made his choice and whether we believe he can , could, would should wear gold again is irrelevant as he clearly does not want too.

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          There is no evidence that he walked away from two SR offers. In fact, McKellar admitted it was only casual discussion, not a proper offer.

          All we know is that both the Brumbies and Rebels are potentially interested.

          We have zero evidence beyond that as to what sort of salaries they would be offering.

          If there was evidence he was knocking back offers of the same or even similar salaries from the Brumbies/Rebels that would be different entirely. But we don’t have that evidence. It is all guesswork and supposition.

          I would have thought that the fact that he took a pay cut to come back from what were then one of the best teams in Europe to play for a struggling Reds outfit would be indicative of his desire to play for the Wallabies,

        • Brumby Runner

          Hoss, as a Tahs man surely you would have seen Deegan in the NSW (and Aus) U20s, and running around in Shute Shield? Although, I have to say the Deegan of yesteryear wasn’t a shadow of how he is playing lately for the Force.

        • onlinesideline

          Thats the future though. Im talking about Saturday night. Quade would have walked us in.

        • IIPA

          A season at 10 for the Eagles in 16 and then playing OS last year ( Exeter) seems to have done wonders for him I agree.

        • Andy

          I rated him highly at Randwick. Watched him a few time dominate games especially against more fancied opposition like Mason. I’m surprised the rebels and brumbies didn’t have a go for him, especially considering their options in the position.

        • Braveheart81

          How is Mason more fancied? Deegan is one year ahead of Mason age wise and both went through as our under 20s 10 at the World Champs.

          Deegan has chosen a slightly different path by heading overseas and now back to the Force whereas Mason has stayed in Super Rugby and is mostly playing grade waiting for an opportunity.

        • Andy

          Both were in the tahs ranks last year on training contracts. Pretty sure Mason got the nod over him when Foley went down. And pretty certain Mason got the players contract over him. Stand to be corrected though but when people have been talking 5/8’s on this forum over the last 2 years I’ve seen Mason’s name mentioned more than Deegans. So, my comment is observational, not fact.

        • IIPA

          Mason definitely more fancied. Just look at number of Super rugby games. And rightly so too… I think he’s a better prospect than Stewart.

          But Deegan clearly was further out on the radar the last two years.

        • Perth girl

          Andrew Deegan wasn’t wanted by any of the SR teams in Australia and we are very happy to have him here in Perth

        • D. Braithwaite’s The Brumbies

          I would have said 2010-11 and 2013 when Quade were in charge were probably our most successful periods since 07…

          Not saying Quade is the same player as he was then. But I hardly think results were mediocre, or that he was back then.

        • disqus_NMXfOrw5ot

          BT has most certainly done wonders for the Reds forward pack, but the backs have continued to stagnate. Even with a forward pack that goes forward, the backs are still average. Imagine what QC would achieve behind this forward pack now!

          QC has struggled with coaches that won’t back him and give him freedom to run the backline how he likes. Ewan brought out the gold in him. Dingo Deans was a joke. Cheika, I dunno what the problem is, but I’m guessing he likes yes men. BT seems to hold a grudge from the All Blacks days.

          My feeling is QC has lost a bit of his magic, but gained in maturity. I definitely feel he’d run the backs a step ahead of Foley. It’s all academic though, as it looks like it ain’t going to happen until BT and/or Cheika move on.

        • Habitual Offender

          Mr default username – My uneducated feelings on it exactly

        • onlinesideline

          We’ve made suggestions. He wont budge. I think its grown on him now :)

    • Ed

      Our two backups at 10 – Beale and Hodge – have poorer passing techniques left to right. I watched Beale at the ground on Saturday and it was noticeable he shuffles the ball left to right. Hodge just doesn’t have the hands for the role. We have around 14-15 tests until the world cup. Highly unlikely Cheika will play someone else at 10 against the big sides – the Italy test in November could be one.

      We have to wait until 2020 for possibly someone else in the position.

  • Sevenwithasixonmyback

    You’d feel pretty pissed off being a German rugby player and hearing that from the Samoan PM.
    “has no knowledge whatsoever on how to play rugby”.
    I’d be thinking that most players who get an opportunity to play in their national colours would have some idea how to play.
    Look at the recent USA Scotland upset.
    You play rugby ‘cos you think you can and hope you’re good. If you wear your country’s jersey then you are as good as it gets from wherever you come from.

  • Missing Link

    I hope everyone’s seen Chance Peni’s tackle. Deserved a red! what a flog. there’s no irony that what his surname spells when you add an ‘s’ to the end of it.

  • Braveheart81

    Glad to hear that Adam Coleman managed to avoid being kidnapped by straining his abductor.

    Sorry to hear he has strained his adductor muscle.

    • Pedro
      • Braveheart81

        I’m pretty sure the injury is on the inside of the leg which is where the adductor muscles are. The muscles that do the abduction of the hip are primarily the glutes. There are no muscles in the hips with abductor in the name. Adduction and abduction happens in lots of parts of the body. To my knowledge the only muscles with abductor in the name are in the foot.

        • Pedro

          I’m gonna agree with Bobas and say you’re going a bit Ian Healey on this.

        • Habitual Offender

          I have a longus magnus if that helps

  • Greg

    Wow – what a long discussion re QC.

    I agree he had some extraordinary talents and some extraordinary hits and misses.

    Does anyone really think he is coming back to the Wallabies? Really?

    Surely time to be blooding the next generation.

    • 22DropOut

      He’s just turned 30.

      If he learns from his mistakes, applies himself and takes a move to another Super Rugby side then he definitely can get back to the Wallabies.

    • disqus_NMXfOrw5ot

      He certainly could. Just needs a coach that can handle him.

  • markjohnconley

    … that’s an aDductor strain …

    • juswal

      The report says abductor. Do you have better info?

      • Braveheart81

        Half the news stories say adductor. The injury was close to where I was sitting on Saturday night and Coleman was complaining about the inside of his leg where the adductor muscles are. There are no muscles around the hip that are actually called abductor muscles. The muscles that do the abducting of the hip are primarily the glutes.

        • Bobas

          Ian Healy could be out of a job soon, oh wait.

        • Braveheart81

          Sorry, I went down a wikipedia rabbithole of hip muscles.

        • juswal

          Hipster

  • Brisneyland Local

    Afternoon GAGR’s. Walk away for a bit and the crowd goes wild! It is great to see balanced and passionate discussion with no sledging! Because we are not Australian cricketers! Or then we would be using sand paper! BL’s points for the day:
    – I know very little about anatomy so I will leave the muscle types to those who know more. I just know what the reconstructions and the steel pins feel like, the rest is for the Dr’s to sort out.
    – Re Chance Peni. well I think he will get plenty of time to ‘actually’ work on his tackling technique now.
    – Re the Quade debate, my viewpoint is pretty simple. He needs to be in the mix! I am not sure (if fit) whether he is or isnt the solution, but there sure as shit is only one way we are going to find out and that is to include him. Sure as god made little green apples we dont have any depth at this position, Foley is shit and we all know it, the young ones are at least 1-2 years off being ready to thrown them in at the front. So lets include all of them in the mix, create some depth and competition for the role. We have 12 months to the World cup, what we are presently doing aint going to win us the big games, so lets demonstrate some common sense and have anyone, and I mean anyone with an ounce of skill at 10 and can kick, bought into the game!
    Over to you GAGR’s! Go the Reds!

  • Adrian

    Re 5/8:
    I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again.

    Only 2 eligible 5/8s playing in Oz SR teams in 2016. ….now one of them is off the radar

    What do we expect?

    It’s not Cheika’s fault

    It’s not Foley fault

    So what to do?

    Try genuinely classy young players off the bench v Argentina, and perhaps SA. No has-beens, no hard trier’s.

    Cheika tried Duncan P in Baba game. He was ok.

    I’d try Duncan P at 10/12, Maddocks, but not Stewart yet.

    A guy like Stewart (or Debz) might come good if they had a classy 9 inside them and 12 outside of them in SR, but our SR teams aren’t strong enough.

    • Brisneyland Local

      Not Cheika’s fault, but he sure contributed to it. Yes it is Foley’s fault, because he hasnt improved on any of his weaknesses. How can he be th incumbent 10, and not be able to kick more than 20 metres. It is embarrassing. As one other poster put it this morning, why the hell isnt he working his arse off Carter or wilkinson style to improve!

      • IIPA

        I’d say Foley has improved his defense. Definitely improved his kick-offs. I mean poor Pete O’Mahoney will tell you how good they were.

        20m? More like 40m. I agree that’s not long enough but can anyone tell me how you improve kicking length substantially? I mean Mick Byrne, Sav Rocca and Buddy Franklin could spend the off-season with him and he might gain what 5m?

        How many kicking coaches do you reckon Reece Hodge has had? Bloody nought I bet.

        You either launch it or you can’t. Foley can’t. The failings are not to utilize players like DHP, Kerevi or Hodge more who can.

        • Brisneyland Local

          IIPA, I agree and disagree. I agree on why we dont use others to kick that can. But AFL coaching staff could improve his kicking in a couple of weeks. A family member of mine played AFL for a club that shall remain nameless, but lets say for the sake of this it is Carlton. I asked him this same question. He took me down the paddock with a ball and he showed me a couple of minor changes that enabled me to kick upto 50m. I am not a proffessional athlete. He is of the view that with the right coaching staff they could have Foley kicking 50+ in no time!

        • IIPA

          Sounds a bit too easy but I’ll take your word for it. Maybe he just needs to revert to the old torpedo on those exit or line kicks. I really miss those… who was the last guy to torp regularly ? Chris Latham ?

          I dunno, he’s had Mehrtens working with him, Mick Byrne, geez the Swans train right next door. If it was that easy to improve I reckon he would have.

        • Brisneyland Local

          I dont think that they are making him.
          Yes it was Latho, and boy he was good at it.
          #bringbackthetorp

        • idiot savant

          Dont go next door. The Swans will teach the drop punt not the torpedo. Barnes was a great kicker until he learned the drop punt. It has too little hang time for chasers and too much to be penetrating for distance.

    • onlinesideline

      Cheika had plenty of time with Quade. He could have been alot more balanced and given Quade a much longer stretch on field when Foley was clearly struggling when both were in the squad. Cheika is very much to blame for the one eyed Tah selections. Look what hes doing with Hannigan. How on earth was this guys selection justified to play a series decider. Just another example where he is too one eyed with no justification for selecton.

    • Tomthusiasm

      Bring back Berrick.

      • Missing Link

        Bring back Berrick from RWC2007, not Berrick from 2013

  • Greg

    10? 12? Most important…. would have to be 3 or 7 :-)

  • idiot savant

    Its half back for me. Then 7. If you are world class in those 2 positions your opposition is not going to get regular quick ball and your side is.

    • Adrian

      Good points idiot, and I like those positions because I played them,..and inside centre.
      Different numbers then though

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